Warframe - [FIXED] This Mystic Bond Synergy is Overpowered... (Read Pinned Comment)

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  • Important to note! You do NOT need all 4 Strain Set mods for this to work, it seems to weirdly cap out at 2 (Having just 1 is about 10s between Mystic Bond Procs, but 2-4 of the mods all seem to be 5s between procs).
    There's been so much fun stuff to mess around with in the newest companion rework and I am so swamped with homework so I can't engage with any of it in a timely manner (I have spent an embarrassing amount of plat rushing things - literally have never done that before this update but man I want to play with all these cool tools!)
    I still believe that Wyrm + Helstrum is the best combo for Companions for Zephyr, but there's some real wacky stuff becoming viable and it's so fun to see! (Also to all smeeta users, I am praying for your downfall, the loot cat must be nerfed.)
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  • @Kiocifer
    @Kiocifer  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    FIXED - With the newest hotfix, this specific interaction with helminth charger was patched. But Mystic bond is still super broken with a couple of companions, especially Diriga with Arc Coils and Manifold Bond!
    Important to note - for some reason, using more strain mods beyond just having 2 does not seem to bring down the cooldown of Mystic Bond any lower than 5 seconds. I can only assume that DE hardcoded some kind of rule where "abilities with cooldowns" cannot go below 1 per second, so even though using 1 mod = 10s between procs, 2-4 mods is always 5 seconds, so any 2 strain mods will work (you could even use the Warframe one and the Melee one and not put any on your charger if you wanted)
    Also if you guys have found some cool interactions/interesting caveats or bonuses with the Bond mods, please post them down below! I've discovered a lot but I'm sure I've missed some things, and would love to know more for my next video!

    • @delonzellburnett123
      @delonzellburnett123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro this was so fun did you find a way to recreate this

    • @NongIng
      @NongIng 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tested with diriga
      Works really well can confirm
      Sorry Hentai the Helminth Charger...

  • @phoenixisatree5527
    @phoenixisatree5527 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    can we all take a second to enjoy that the Helminth Charger HAS A USE THAT IS GENUINELY GOOD.

    • @Adam-dn3ob
      @Adam-dn3ob 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      A second is over, brace yourselves for unintended bug fix

  • @F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w
    @F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Suddenly everyone discovering companions and their mods and not just using the cat for double stuff. Not going to lie im lovin it.

    • @sapandcap8031
      @sapandcap8031 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Smeetah blessing or Panzer Vulpaphyla for viral spores that heal you, that can't die (special before this), and will prevent your own death.....

    • @Serotonious
      @Serotonious 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I'm with you. I've been wanting to use Kubrows for a while now, but ressing my pet every 14 seconds isn't my idea of fun...

    • @InnocentiusLacrimosa
      @InnocentiusLacrimosa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Serotonious Yeah, most companions have been totally unusable on anything else than low level star chart stuff.

    • @vrfitnessandgaming3234
      @vrfitnessandgaming3234 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What are yall talking about 😆😆. Learn to build

    • @InnocentiusLacrimosa
      @InnocentiusLacrimosa 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@vrfitnessandgaming3234 that is BS and you know it.

  • @korpakukac
    @korpakukac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Hotfixed in 3...2...1..

  • @Random-ei2uo
    @Random-ei2uo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    this is so gonna get patch i can see the Arcane energize rank 5 werido frothing at the mouth that their 2k+ plat toys arent that good anymore

    • @russmcmacken9001
      @russmcmacken9001 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I dont see why DE would nerf something because of that, nor that people who run energize would care, but ok. Hell, energize itself has been nerfed before, this is more likely to get fixed because its clearly not working as intended. Im sorry that expensive things irk you by the way, you must have real fun opinions on founders.

    • @thatoneguy2274
      @thatoneguy2274 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Honestly, in any piece of content where sentinels can kill things, duplex bond+energize is really strong too.

    • @NinjaSyao
      @NinjaSyao 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can't remember when the last time was that I used Energize, so many ways to get energy these days and quite a few rival or simply outpace Energize.

    • @Random-ei2uo
      @Random-ei2uo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@russmcmacken9001 well how many time you seen people telling you "invest arcane ernergize" when you ask for advice about energy management without arcane energize and how many time you've heard "get the founder/heirloom pack"
      but then again i don't ask too many advice for fashion/excalibur builds

    • @maxwelldalauta7947
      @maxwelldalauta7947 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Primary exhilarate will do

  • @rob679
    @rob679 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    If you prefer Sentinels or Moas, you can use Manifold Bond to decrease cooldown of some short cd ability like Vaporize or Ghost to proc Mystic Bond, but this requires applying 3 different status effects, that is easy with Epitaph, Cedo or multiple status frames like Saryn or new Hydroid with augment.

    • @tonysmith9905
      @tonysmith9905 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lots of pets/companion weapons can also add on statuses as well. You could use different statuses in their load out to help with this!

  • @divinehaven347
    @divinehaven347 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Tbf its way faster to spam cast abilities when you have nourish or dispensary with equilibrium active then this and helminth is a wild card since it aint tanky in high lvls so there shouldn't be a nerf just a new interaction with companions

  • @aersla1731
    @aersla1731 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Cool, the pet changes are huge. I'm pretty sure people are still figuring stuff out. I love it when they make changes like this, it just changes up the meta so much, and makes for interesting synergies.

  • @collaredlynx
    @collaredlynx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    free abilities mean no shields gained from brief respite/augur mods
    any shieldgating frame (basically any frame) will probably find it detrimental

    • @lordelpyro
      @lordelpyro 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Laughs in Rhino.

    • @grandangus5285
      @grandangus5285 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shield gating got changed bro the decaying strat isn’t the only way to use shield gating anymore

    • @collaredlynx
      @collaredlynx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@grandangus5285 catalyzed shields mod exist now, yet without energy to shields conversion you have to rely on abilities that give you shields like pillage, volt's 4 with augment etc. Shieldgate values changed, but the mechanics behind it have not.

    • @collaredlynx
      @collaredlynx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lordelpyro what use does rhino get from this? Two of his abilities aren't recastable without augments, his 1 w/ augment exists to stack 2, so his 4 is essentially the only one you use frequently, yet its high stun duration and good range substitute for its high energy cost, meaning you don't have to cast it as often as you might think. Not to mention the animation is pretty long.

    • @KhristianM.
      @KhristianM. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hes saying he has over guards... so he doesn't need shields not that hard to figure out@@collaredlynx

  • @Benzinilinguine
    @Benzinilinguine 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Unfortunately, this seems like an unintended interaction, and will likely be patched soon.

  • @AlucardNoir
    @AlucardNoir 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That Zenurik mod is the pin that keeps my Gyre build together. I have her on low efficiency so I need that mod to be able to cast her 4 and then use the energy I start with for her 3. I also used to use it in nightmare mission with rev and wukong when I didn't have all the nightmare mods. And I've made use of it here and there. I use Zenurik for the energy - don't have a rank 5 arcane energyzer and I'm not buying one - so that is just a bonus for a lot of frames.

    • @Kamenawa.
      @Kamenawa. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Felt exactly the same , with Blind Rage the skill cost is too high at the start for both Cathode Grace and Rotorswell. without Zenurik i wouldn't be able to keep my Strength/Range stats in the modbuild

  • @kajita2048
    @kajita2048 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Thank you. As much as I like this new mod, I wouldn’t be too excited for now, because if things are too useful, DE will swing the nerf hammer next like they always do

  • @NinjaSyao
    @NinjaSyao 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Reinforced Bond gives +60% firerate, melee attack speed AND Parazon Finisher animation speed ^_^

    • @Darthmufin
      @Darthmufin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It's worth noting that this melee attack speed also includes charge speed. Some attack speed effects don't also effect charge mechanics like glaive throws, but that mod does.

    • @Wonejo.
      @Wonejo. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Darthmufinthats awesome, thanks for pointing it out

    • @Kiocifer
      @Kiocifer  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fascinating! I didn't notice that in my testing but I also rarely use melee weapons, thanks for pointing this out, I'll definitely include it in my next video!

    • @DarkmegaGaming
      @DarkmegaGaming 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kiocifer and then theres me, using dexterity arcanes on most things and meleeing everything, :V

  • @jacksonmcload4157
    @jacksonmcload4157 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yeah this is an oversight on DEs side I don't think they I ment for it to be like this.

  • @JCLegendary
    @JCLegendary 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's awesome and I now have to go rework my ESO Volt loadout.

  • @santostik0nes
    @santostik0nes 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite companion to use since the Dagath update is the Vizier Predasite.
    At first, I used it exclusively with a necramech since iatric Mycelium precept, can heal both operator and mechs.
    But now, I started using it more so as a primer with its other mods; Acidic Spittle for corrosive, volatile parasite for viral and mystic bond since it will just spam the 3 abilities.

    • @justink4051
      @justink4051 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What your build been trying to make one for the vizier

  • @velka4263
    @velka4263 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Time for my infested good boy to shine

  • @megagrowlithe
    @megagrowlithe 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Interesting! I haven't tested out the various bond mods as much as I would've liked after the first day (Been too busy with the Dagath x2 + Dorrclave farm and then Hydroid, plus generic life stuff always getting in the way), but I think I'd definitely pull my Helminth Charger out of storage for this. Have you tried it out much in typical missions? Feel like it'd be more useful for ESO (granted, Simaris) or defense (maaaaybe Disruption?) type scenarios as requiring the Helminth charger to be nearby -and- it taking its time to actually proc might be a bit of an issue....still fun to think about, though! I'll see if I can give it a shot soon.

  • @juanclodioduss4921
    @juanclodioduss4921 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nautilus with manifold bond can spam cord every 5 kills. Try it with mystic bond idk if it's viable

  • @EviLincoln
    @EviLincoln 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Come on folks, I'm sure DE won't launch a Nerflear Missile at this interaction. It's working as intended 😂

  • @tovermoran4360
    @tovermoran4360 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh well that was nice while it lasted

  • @johnclaws4609
    @johnclaws4609 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More Bond videos plz🤟

  • @xivilaikikira3768
    @xivilaikikira3768 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seems to count every growth tick as an ability intresting maybe that mod is usabule assuming this dosnt get patched cuz reasons ...
    Though i dont see why they would this is a rather nesh interaction that costs 3 mod slots more if you have the rest of the set to drop the refresh down to 2ish seconds(assuming it works how i think it dose)
    Still awsome find

    • @Kiocifer
      @Kiocifer  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unfortunately I could not get the effect to go any lower than 5 seconds per proc of Mystic bond, no matter how many other strain set mods I ran. I wonder if DE put a hard cap on a minimum of 1 second per ability with cooldowns, since using more mods never made it go below 5 seconds.

  • @Dac85
    @Dac85 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DE: charger use detected. deploying nerf missiles

  • @senpafl4405
    @senpafl4405 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is sooo gonna get fixed xD

  • @johankaruyan5536
    @johankaruyan5536 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    getting these mods are so hard i probably wont be able to experience this much fun before the nerf

    • @tonysmith9905
      @tonysmith9905 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You don't have to do conservation to get them, they're bought with normal standing.

    • @noahedenborg4221
      @noahedenborg4221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well bond mods yes
      Strain yeah without trading those are a pain

    • @johankaruyan5536
      @johankaruyan5536 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tonysmith9905 i am rank 2 in fortuna

    • @tonysmith9905
      @tonysmith9905 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johankaruyan5536
      Fortuna and Deimos are waaaaaaaaaaay easier to rank up than Cetus, so don't worry about that.
      Besides, it's not like this is an amazing thing you're missing. Most builds have infinite energy already. Just keep playing the game and you'll get there.

    • @johankaruyan5536
      @johankaruyan5536 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      im rank 5 on cetus, im rank 5 on deimos i am no way in hell doing fortuna that just takes too damn long
      @@tonysmith9905

  • @lc5957
    @lc5957 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    i found a bug:
    arcane steadfast dosen't drain any of it's stacks ever sense this recent update. infinite energy baby!
    but ill take the arcane off: if it ain't legit, I'm not interested kind of deal.

    • @Kamenawa.
      @Kamenawa. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Anything you gotta do in prep to make this happen?

    • @lc5957
      @lc5957 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kamenawa. no. just use it till it procs

    • @virtualsplash72
      @virtualsplash72 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Arcane steadfast works fine/as intended for me.

  • @XSoulgamez
    @XSoulgamez 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Terrify ?😈

  • @rand0mlyhere
    @rand0mlyhere 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you get the bond mods? Figured I’d ask here so others could (hopefully find out too)

    • @Kiocifer
      @Kiocifer  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They're offered by different open-world conservation NPCs, this one is specifically from Master Tesonai in Cetus.

    • @rand0mlyhere
      @rand0mlyhere 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kiocifer thank you very much

  • @silverlyder
    @silverlyder 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice vid

  • @maicee7603
    @maicee7603 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i guess you need to be near an enemy to make it happen, and that's kinda counter the fact that you're spamming abilities

    • @Dac85
      @Dac85 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Negative. It happens even when you're standing around solo.

  • @securatyyy
    @securatyyy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice

  • @voidblade2037
    @voidblade2037 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was fixed

  • @Abythh
    @Abythh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'd get a helminth carger just for this.. But I doubt DE won't fix this very soon. It's extremely broken / OP.

  • @johnclaws4609
    @johnclaws4609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Subbed 🤟♥️

  • @snipershotgun4083
    @snipershotgun4083 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This would be great with garudas 4

    • @noahedenborg4221
      @noahedenborg4221 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Eh less button pressing I guess

  • @Catswaga
    @Catswaga 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    inb4 nerfed

  • @swinganamiss1194
    @swinganamiss1194 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This fixed yet?

  • @Mongrelntruder
    @Mongrelntruder 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    is helstrum on wyrm still as good as it was in your last video?

    • @Kiocifer
      @Kiocifer  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, it's still my go-to choice for companion (it's the best for zephyr, but I think for non-zephyr frames, instead of using Wyrm,, Nautilus with Cordon and Manifold Bond is better, or Djinn for the immortality)