Fallout: The Board Game - Shut Up & Sit Down Review
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To make this game enjoyable, I had to scrounge up some fan-made rules that turned it into a fully cooperative game.
Christ, even Bethesda's board games need mods to fix them.
I'm gonna need some aloe for that burn
Maybe if they let a team led by Tim Cain make a stand-alone expansion for it, it will be a masterpiece?
Obsidian should come in and do it better like they did with Outerworlds
Nick A. I was pissed once people started saying outer worlds was better then fallout because it basically was fallout but and then I realised that obsidian were the same guys that made fallout new Vegas so now I’m less pissed
@@chilledgames1348 They also have some key people (including main developers) from cult progenitors fallout 1&2, which makes them infinitely more entitlted than whatever bethesda should ever feel entitled to concerning fallout.
Something I thought of while watching this - with the quality and variety of components included, you could probably throw out the rules and just use it as components for a homemade Fallout RPG campaign.
Just what I have been doing!
That's a good suggestion. I paid a lot of money for this game and there's parts of the design that are just nonsensical, and it was my first foray into any tapletop gaming beyond monopoly. The fact that things stood out to me means I'm sure long-time gamers have massive gripes.
Mage Knight is better value for money, though perhaps not for newbies. Same exploration focus, rpg-like, interesting progressive deckbuilding game.
I think that’s the only way this is going to work : fan-made rules!
For my group of mostly-inexperienced board game players, Mage Knight was indeed intimidating the first few times. But! As long as you are willing to learn and take it slow, it is rewarding.
This was the video that first introduced me to SU&SD. I watched it on a whim and then was slowly sucked into the wonderful backlog of videos they had. And becoming a fan of theirs led me to being a fan of board games in a way I wasn't before.
New show idea: How to take a broken game and invent new house rules that makes the game sing.
This game would be ideal to salvage....to help me cry a little less inside. Right away your review was bright and optimistic...and I felt what was about to come :(.... I felt this game was going to have a special place in my heart and on my shelf. Instead I’ve extracted that part of my heart, and is now stored away on my shelf collecting the dust that this game should have for several decades. BUT Wait! Do u think that it is broken enough that it can be mistaken as something resembling a sandbox game!?! That would give me hope for a community to come together to create something that deserves those “special” letters that we all covet. And with prices surely bound to drop harder than (insert witty comment here), maybe I’ll eventually pick up a few copies, and design something special from this wasteland of a game!
you mean like evey single game ever? There has never been a game without some type of bugs. Quit hating.
This is seriously a great idea.
@@kennethfharkin Its not broken a t all though, You have no idea wtf your realy talking about, You know about how the popular option dosnt work for a Legit arguement at all right? You know about how alot of ppl dont realy voice there option becouse idiots like you will point at them and laugh at times right?
@@THAC0MANIC Yes, all games are buggy.
But some are more buggy than others.
The game plays okay solo, and stops the quest disassociation.
But what's the point
So it’s just as buggy as a Bethesda game.
Mrcool2oo3 fallout 2 may have been the most buggy. Still one of my favorites
I doubt it. Fallout 2's bugs can be listed in half a piece of A4 paper.
Fallout 4 on the other hand.. Oof.. I'm not buying that book. And it's almost twice as long if you buy F4 for PC. If you've got the wrong setup, you may have trouble even getting the game to start.
For example, if you have a 120+HZ monitor, then you'll be forced to either set the system refresh rate to 60 or jump a hell of a lot of hoops to make the game functional.
Fallout 2 without mods is very very buggy. But I love the game none the less
Don't you trash Bethesda! It's been fixed by the modding community over a month ago. Just download the unofficial patch 2.47 on nexus.
@Mac Matheson that was the joke
That is a very good shirt color
So good that Matt had to set up a mirror to show it in all it's mustardy glory!
We didn't set up anything it was just THERE. XD
I think it was colonel mustard in the living room with the candlestick.
I saw this comment from a year ago and came to like it just now, only to see I've already liked it from when it was posted. Very proud of my past self in appreciating good shirt color.
SU&SD had a review on this top on their
Spin-off channel, Shirt Up & Mitts Down (working title). Worth a watch.
"Leave me alone, Dad. I'm speaking truth to power!" XD
It's hilarious how remarkably on-brand this is for Bethesda-era Fallout.
And then came the Atomic Bonds expansion, which makes it what it should have been all along...
I've only played this with Atomic Bonds and I can't imagine having any fun playing this competitive. Atomic Bonds making it co-op though seems to completely change this game around!
@@FaeDine it really does! The competitive mode is just nonsensical. This expansion breathed life and wonder into the story and actually lets you play the story! I had a neck and neck match with the conga line of enemies as I desperately tried to do an end Game escort mission and literally would have lost the game if it hadn’t worked out in the last turn! It was fantastic. Without this expansion that moment just wouldn’t have been possible
Appreciate the mirror to watch the back. Wish more reviewers did this. It really elevates the whole viewing experience
I also thought it was a nice touch.
I don't know if it 'elevates' the viewing experience, but it really opens up the frame.
The DOOM board game he mentions at the epilogue is quite good, bordering on amazing. It's Imperial Assault's gameplay with all the fluff stripped out. The minis are incredible.
As a competitive game you are right, not very good. But when you play it as a loosely co-op game or even as a single player game it’s a blast.
It's on brand for modern Fallout that this guy looks like he's about to cry on the thumbnail.
As a lifelong Fallout player, I thank you for saving me 60 bucks.
One thing you didn't mention. As a single player board game it works absolutely fine. They just tried to make it multiplayer. Hopefully the recently announced expansion will fix some of that.
Sooo, Single campaign mode is fine but multiplayer server is garbage. :-D
"Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games of all time"
"I'm not a huge fan of what Fallout is... today"
I thought exactly this while starting the video. It hurts a little. Great review Matt
"Fallout 2 is my favorite game of all time" That alone deserved a like and comment! :)
Indeed! Fallout 2 was quite a step-up in both fun & difficulty challenge from the first one. I did really enjoy the turn based action.
I got given this as a gift and ironically the most fun I've had with it was as a single player game! The story deck is a really interesting and cool mechanic when you're the only person investigating it, and the luck factor isn't a huge deal when you aren't trying to race other players for VPs. It's like they did a decent job of porting the idea of the (Bethesda) CRPGs to a board game and then buggered it up by trying to add more players.
RadiantSolarWeasel That makes me interested in seeing a solo review of the game. If anyone reading this can find one, link me!
Matt, you are really good at this. Like, brilliant at it. Hope you know that.
Sean Terry 100%
Might pick this one up just to write my own rules. Seems like there's real potential for a good game in there somewhere.
The victory condition is the only part of the game I don't like. I think it's best with 2 players.
The production values on the game are so top-notch, it's a real shame to see that kind of attention to detail end up in a bad game design.
Simply put, the "production value" of this game is zero, because the game play is as bad and uninteresting as described by SU&SD, and a good game is a prerequisition for any "production value" of a board game. How about the "production value" of a speed boat covered in marble and gold, which does not float?
I would argue Food Chain Magnate is the better game then Rising Sun or KD:M. But both games have a higher PV. But this, because they still are good games, I like to play. Only under these circumstance, component quality is to be considered into production value. But if you ask me, if FCM or Zombicide has the higher production value, I'd most certainly would go with FCM. These guys put so much thoughts and effort into creating an unique and interesting gaming experience, that it is high to value for itself. I think, you are calling out production value and component quality as synonyms, which they are not. Publishers need to integrate good gameplay into their production prozess, otherwise their doing is void.
I occasionally read some people writing: "This game seems to be bad, but I'm backing it on KS just for the amazing minis. I can never understand, why they won't buy some GI Joe action figures instead, if that's all, what they are interesting in. They are actually cheaper and don't need to "float".
Yeah the expectations for this game unfortunately are "crack it open and see what happens" Because, yes, it is extremely random... and unfortunately too long to boot. Gorgeous for sure. Needs some Home Brewing to make it better, but why should I have to redesign the game? Hopefully the expansion will come and fix this, however that is probably a tall order considering how much it would have to revamp to "fix".
Dana Farnquist : Haven’t played it myself, but to start testing: how about only the one who drew the card can complete it, unless they allow others to join or complete.
Man first time watching you and I’m already watching your back man
One major perplexing game mechanic not mentioned in the review is the victory condition. I was playing, people were invested in the quests but then...I won...because the faction I sided with ...won for me I guess? The quest deck is awesome but the game rules don't even allow you to explore it.
It really feels like different parts of the game was designed by different people and loosely bought together at the end.
jabso I feel like the game has lots of potential, it just needs lots of home brewing to make it work for everyone.
Same thing happened with my group. There was no build towards the end and I had to stand up and say "Oh the game ends when this faction gets that high". It felt really abrupt.
Same happend to our group as well. Kindof. We all played for five hours, and nobody really knew who was winning or losing. We gave up in the end, and were a bit perplexed by the experience. However, I do think that it is exciting to discover the quests and stuff, but it is impossible to relate the quests to the winning condition, which feels very odd...
Most of this video is mute after they released the atomic bonds upgrade in 2020 which makes it a co-op game now and has addressed pretty much all most peoples complaints about other dynamics
so, in essence. This is a mod-it-untill-it-works kinda game and/or a great supply for a fallout tabletop rpg.
Matt's expression in the thumbnail says it all, really!
This video is like Cool Ghosts and Shut Up and Sit Down at the same time
Good comment.
Played it at Essen last year, and I can only agree with you: I have no idea why this is a competetive game, considering how much the RNG is sometimes stacked against an individual player. I think I dropped from the demo after 40 minutes, because I got crit by a Deathclaw that took 15 out of my 16hp - which might as well just have killed me, considering how hard it is to regain even a single point of health in this game. But after 40 minutes I had already seen how this gameplay concept didn't work out, or at least wasn't for me.
So glad I saw this review. I have a couple buddies that play Merchants & Marauders and I wanted to get something sci-fi (really just not pirates) to try out.
Time to dig through this channel's library...
Wow, that was an incredibly entertaining and well-done solo review! Kudos, and thanks so much for the effort!
Congrats SU&SD team. You’ve really upped your game in terms of art direction in this vid. I’m loving the DoF work and lighting in this one and marks a significant upgrade. I look forward to more.
... oh and the content was very helpful and thought provoking too.
Watching this in spring 2021 means that at the end when Matt invites newcomers to SU+SD one of the video thumbnails he gestures to announced that fun month is over and says NO MORE FUN in angry red letters. Wonderful!
I really regret buying this one. The weird not really co-op aspect is just awful on top of the game not being good otherwise.
Me too, I can enjoy it up to a point but it goes on way too long and in the end no one really cares what happens
Yes, this game and Legendary are ones that I don't like with the semi-coop mechanics. You're working together but still competing?
I was pretty disappointed after I got it on release day. First and last time I'll buy a game without checking out the reviews.
Derek Cutsinger I made the same mistake with Darkest Night. I'll never buy a game again without watch/reading multiple reviews.
Same...
1) when you re-roll you get to pick which dice you keep and roll the remaining dice to hopefully get a win so the progression system does actually add to your potential for more hits given/lets hits taken
2) atomic bonds seems to fix these issues massively
Great job Mr. Lees, this is one of the best shot videos from Shut Up & Sit Down. And though I appreciate the critical review and the serious analysis, I do miss the cooking.
Would be interested to see an updated review with the Atomic bonds mini expansion that makes it cooperative!
Best game reviewers on the internet. Thanks for saving me $$ SU&SD!
I've seen a lot of up and down opinions on the board game, but overall, locally, the times I have brought this out to play or my friend has, as we both own this game, it has been overall enjoyed (and we both always have a blast playing it, as major Fallout fans.). There are choices you can make, it is not quite as one dimensional as you make it sound. There are often 2-3 questions available to go out, and those can branch out in a number of different directions. You can glimpse what other players are going for and make choices based on that. The dice are fine and I like the system that implements it. The game feels like a Fallout game to me and the spirit of it and the choices you make all work in that context.
While I agree the competitive nature of the game is wonky, it's not enough to keep me from enjoying the game. I find the game plays best at 2-3 players.
For me, I love Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas. Fallout 3 is just not very good and the main storyline sucks. 4 is good as a very different permutation of Fallout. I still appreciate it, though, in a different way. As a Fallout fan, I have enjoyed every playthrough of the board game. I'm also not someone who will bring the same game over and over again, as I constantly rotate them out, so when I do play this board game, it remains fresh to me.
Now I'm wondering, how _would_ one implement an RPG into a board game? How do you make it interesting and exciting without just making it a regular TTRPG with a DM running it? Because it feels like that _could_ be done well theoretically, even if it wasn't here.
If I was trying to get a video game player into board games, I'd start with Gloomhaven. With achievements, branching paths, character customization, and even going through old levels to get loot you missed or just get that last 5 exp; I wish I could play it as a video game to get around setup and rules look-ups, even if I had to play solo.
Two things i can't stop looking on: mirror and godrays on a tree about 11:30
I love the honesty of your reviews!!
Thanks for warning me away from this, I was considering saving money for it.
It's probably easily one of the worst games I've ever played.. it's a mess
I just had a game of 2h and made literally 0 Points (of 8 to win)
" And here is the thing , Everyone I played with independantly came to the same conclusion , not havin control " It killed me the desire to buy and play
Great review as always. This looks like a game that a homebrew house rule set may be the best way to play.
Just like Bethesda's video games.
Me and three others in Discord played this game together through Tabletop Simulator and we absolutely smashed it out for laughs. We had a great time playing this board game. While it can be frustrating at times, we had more fun poking at each other because they just got closer to a Deathclaw and now they're about to get munched on the next turn alongside a death bot.
But my question is this...
DO YOU LIKE NEW VEGAS?!
Thanks for mentioning your recommended alternatives to this board game!
Waiting for Outer Worlds: the Board Game to fix all this
And then watch people complain that the gameplay is simple and there's no point in roleplaying multiple builds.
Devil's advocate, I love the Outer Worlds.
@@jameswasdin654 Outer wilds betterrr
That is a really rather lovely mustard shirt Matt
This was very good. I like to see a bad review now and then in order to know what you're comparing the good games to!
I actually experienced one of the problems he talked about, i went on a huge quest line to aquire a set of really good power armor, i had completed everything in that quest line and was on turn away from getting the armor. My friend then killed a robot to complete one of his quests but that also completed my quest thus he got my power armor and i was pissed i spent the entire game rolling bad, so i knew i would not win the game but i at least wanted to have a BA suit of power armor and a super sledge, but due to crappy game mechanics i lost every thing i worked for up untill that point, This game has potentiall but it defenetly needs some work and love to make it enjoyable.
Your comparison to Talisman made me think "Hey, maybe they should've made Fallout like Tales of Arabian Nights." I mean, makes sense, right? You wander around, stuff happens to you. Sounds like Fallout to me, especially Bethesda Fallout (and Elder Scrolls) where the main quest is usually secondary to the stuff that happens along the way.
But then I think of the people who dislike Tales of Arabian Nights and their main complaints being "Well, it's not a REAL game, it's just a Choose Your Own Adventure book, you can't WIN at it." But this Fallout game is chock full of mechanics, is competitive AND tells a story, so this should be tailor made for them, right? Apparently not.
I guess you can't please everyone...
I think the problem they had -if they were intentionally modeling Fallout on TotAN - is the same one that Agents of Smersh had: TotAN works because the randomness is sublime: it IS the game. When you try to impose order on it with other mechanics the randomness slams into the numbers and the whole thing falls to pieces. Or maybe they weren't thinking about TotAN at all and just thought: won't all this chaos be silly and fun?
This game can easily be housruled to be a cooperative game which would make it amazing
I just love this channel, its humor that is original and comes from the heart and this is the most respectful and adult way ive ever heard any original fallout fan express their opinion on the new ones.
Preston Garvey card should had been attack player with settlement side quests.
Thanks for the recommendations at the end of review. There are are aspects of this game that I would like to try but would rather try them in a game that works.
This video makes me feel so vindicated.
I am an event organizer for a boardgame MeetUp group; we didn’t even finish this one, because it was so convoluted. We all decided to walk away from it.
I decided to try it again with the guy who actually owns the game, who wanted me to learn the rules for him and teach him (he’s not a serious gamer). Playing it to the end of the scenario with him was one of the most frustrating experiences I have had in recent months. Playing this game literally made me feel like I was just too dumb to understand it.
Great job with the Camera work on this one. Simple but your shots were nice and it looks like you’ve upgraded your camera.
I got this game for my buddy when it was on sale a few months ago. We played for about 3 hours before I got tired and realized we were supposed to be playing to win. Then I realized I'd already won which was fine with me as it was 4AM. It was really weird to me that a game that felt like a co-op game suddenly ended with me having won without having done any more than my friend. The implementation of the victory points is absolutely horrible.
I think it's got potential though, if you just play it like Fallout. Play the game to have fun, ignore the points and the end game conditions and go exploring. The quests are really well implemented imo, as long as you ignore everything that happens after you finish them.
I'll also admit to having no idea how the monster spawns were supposed to work. I read that part of the book several times and it just sounded like whenever a monster is killed you spawn a new one except maybe not sometimes?
I enjoyed this game. The highlight of our 5 hour session was my vilified junkie ghoul getting thrown out of a vault by an angry mob after trying to play and frollock with a small child - scaring her in the process.
Thank you for reviewing this! I love fallout and have been eyeing it, but I was worried it would be... well, basically exactly what you described.
Solo is the only way to play this. I bought it after looking for solo board games during lockdown and yep. As a solo experience, it's like a choose your own adventure book, some good runs, some bad runs. But I couldn't imagine playing it with others.
On the one hand, yay, you're confirming all of the opinions I held before I clicked on your video and you're even confirming the very powerful suspicion I had that this game was going to suck, but on the other hand... aww man. I kind of wish I'd been wrong about this one. I could have done with a game with Fallout brand recognition to help ease a couple of my non-boardgaming friends into the hobby. A fallout version of snakes and ladders isn't going to cut it.
Actually it's a pretty good one. A lot of people love it. I tried it and love it. Try it out if ever you have the opportunity.
Please don't "Um, Actually..." me.
If lord Guan Yu hates this game, then so will I.
If you want some fallout flavor, a good game to try out is Leaders of Euphoria, they have items such as a stick of encouragement (a baseball bat), and the game plays in 15 to 20 minutes.
I agree, I mean I love this channel and I respect their opinions but I personally love this game. I watch these reviews with the mindset of to each his own. Its nice to see that I'm not the only one that loves it
Thanks for clarifying in my mind what has been bothering me about this. I've played three complete games, one solo, two with three players. Every time we just crashed about 3/4 of the way through. Every time there was one person who was dominating the game while everyone else struggled to compete. Every time we felt like we were just wandering around with no real purpose or direction instead of acting with a plan or strategy.
Every time there was a winner, yet not once did we really care.
Rewatching this and suddenly dawns on me: this was a thematic testing for that awful Fallout 76. I mean, I agree with Matt that Fallout under Bethesda hasn't been particularly good, but I played the games and enjoyed them more or less despite that. But I think I finally hit the breaking point. Fallout 3 was a neat (though narratively lacking, and with some lackluster interaction choices) diversion. New Vegas was a pretty great alternative (which I quite disliked at first because it had been so incredibly buggy before extensive patches) and the series should not have stayed in Bethesda's hands, because they keep screwing up their own original IP of the Elder Scrolls by doing to it exactly what they've done to Fallout: strip it of its soul and just make a buggy first-person action romp with ever-decreasing dialog/story interaction.
And the best question here is: why is it competitive? Playing with friends as a group of interesting characters working together, perhaps each with their own personal quest, would have been the smarter and more interesting approach. But that's the sort of thing you'd expect a game designer to think of, and this was made by business people who dabble in making games simply as a means to make money.
Honest Review. Thank you for sharing and reviewing! ^^
Ooh the dice seem interesting. Always on the search for new dnd battle mechanics. Rolling dice with body parts could help with rp.
Agree completely unfortunately - I've played this once and won. That's despite the fact that because I was so focussed on the admin involved in running the quest system, completely forgot about the agenda cards when resolving the first mission I completed, boosting the opposite faction. I then got stupidly lucky, gained 3 agenda cards for the opposite faction and ended up winning mainly thanks to those cards. The game was so fiddly to keep running, Matt's criticism about the stories being lost in favour of "points" is 100% valid and the hidden VP mechanic meant actually acting against an opponent was impossible. Such a shame, but it just needed to be "less" overall.
The thing that bugs me the most about modern fallout as a brand is how nukes and nuclear weapons have become a central memetic attraction and feature.
You'd think that if ANYONE would have a deep and profound understanding of the horror and folly of a nuclear warhead it's people living in the remnants of a literal nuclear holocaust. That they would go right back to using them is something I just cannot countenance.
You should do a quick add on review as this game now has a cooperative mode with the Atomic Bonds expansion.
If anyone is looking for a Fallout board game that is actually an RPG you can play with your friends I know of two options (Although, keep in mind they play like Dungeons and Dragons rather than the traditional board game): There is Fallout PnP, which is a free fan-made system that has a wikia page that can found with a simple google search with percentage skills like in classic Fallout with options to play as Humans, Ghouls, Super Mutants, and even intelligent talking Deathclaws from Fallout 2.
The second options is: Exodus Post Apocalyptic RPG, which was supposed to be an officially licensed Fallout tabletop RPG but the creators got the license from Interplay AFTER they already sold the rights to Fallout to Bethesda. Then Bethesda caught wind of this and gave the authors a cease and desist, as to avoid confusing customers with this RPG and Fallout 3 when it was soon to be released, but instead of abandoning the project the authors just changed the names of a lot of things to be different enough from Fallout that they couldn't get into legal trouble. This system still has player options for Humans, Ghouls, and Super Mutants. Even with all the Fallout related names and content removed or changed, it still feels like classic Fallout and I do recommended it if you can find any copies, although it might be a bit challenging because the company that made the system did go bankrupt.
8:20 damn did my man bring up monopoly? Savage.
I feel what he is describing Fallout board game is the same feeling I have with Morrowind 3 every time I hit an enemy it does not go through its judge by a dice
Thank you for the review, I feel like I needed someone to express what I was feeling before I could admit I wasn't terribly happy with this game. I love the Fallout universe and had high expectations out of this, but I never felt like I was unrealistic with my expectations. When we play it, it certainly does feel like we're going through the motions, without providing a tremendous amount of influence on the outcome. I am hoping they fix some of the gameplay issues with the expansion, but it sounds like the expansion is just more monsters/areas/scenarios... Which is unfortunate.
I deeply appreciate that you guys are not taking cheap jabs at the game (and indirectly and possibly unaware at the designers). That seems to be a trend amongst TH-camrs. Keep doing that...It is far more challenging to resist easy sarcasm and be positive.
omg you mentioned the old fallout, your are the best dude! thank you so much I don't feel alone anymore :D
Honestly, it sounds like this would be way more fun as a co-op game. I mean, it sounds like you're fighting the game itself already, so why not make it official? Would be a hell of a sight more thematic, too: you're all friends from the vault exploring the wastes together - you're each other's companions taking back the wild wastes together!
Also, I agree: having played them all, I still consider Fallout 1 and 2 the best of the series, with New Vegas being a very close 3rd (especially modded).
SO many of these problems would be fixed if the game was co-op, with the players all working towards a combined goal/quest.
but the game CAN BE co-op, on the rules they say that you could trade anything with other player and u could even not do what you promise, i think u guys are thinking of a fantasy adventure, but fallout is more like a surviver game
good commentary. New HD camera? Actually you might have had this for awhile. I haven't tuned in for a but good video quality and audio! Always a fan of SUSD
Thank you thank you thank you! I was just about to purchase and you made me see sense! Great vid!
Nailed it - right on its pin-shaped head. This game reminds me of something a bunch of ten year-olds got together to make, with great enthusiasm, and their energy just kind of petered out before it all came together. But you know what? A lot of FF games strike me that way.
Tbh both me and my friends enjoy this boardgame. Only negative for me is that shared quests too often have one easy option - player can spend 3 turns doing hard quest and suddenly other player does other, easy option.
Yo i think my teacher is a big fan of you because everytime she walk in she yells shut up and sit-down
Sounds like it perfectly replicates the recent fallout games.
I think a Risk: Fallout game would work better if it was just a map of post-apokalyptic U.S. divided into Commonwealths, with factions fighting to control it; the NCR (blue), the Legion (red), the Brotherhood of Steel (gray), the Enclave (black), the Supermutant Army (green) and the Institute (yellow).
I'm not proud of this, but I felt a strong sense of schadenfreude watching Matt pan a product of the new Fallout franchise, whilst praising Fallout 2 in the same video.
In the court of expressions, Matt is, like, the King of Consternation.
The New California expansion saves this game making it actually neat instead. Why? Co-op. You are now an adventuring party can can now wonder around the board to work together instead. Its so, so, so much better!
Still flawed but at least you don't have to steal stories from people.
On an unrelated note (well, related insofar as it appeared in the background of this video), can you you do a talking about Altiplano sometime please?
I got this one as a gift and, while I am certainly happy to have it in my collection, I can't help but agree with Matt. The game looks really pretty and those branching quest trees are very intriguing (if rather misused) but the game as a whole left me feeling rather cold. I think this is particularly exacerbated by the way the completely half-baked end conditions steal any excitement from the rest of the game. As soon as you feel like you are kind of cooking along and neat stuff is happening the game screeches to a halt and people just add up some points.
I don't know if you guys take requests at all, but if you do, I'd love to see you guys review The Thing: Infection at Outpost 31.
One thing I noticed which is weird is that the world is clearly Fallout 3 set in the capital wasteland but the characters are all from 4 which makes this feel kinda rushed. Like they didn't have enough time to implement the commonwealth from 4 so they just went ahead and used the setting from 3 but then in every way made it look like 4.
Agree, as I almost always do with SU&SD. This was my experience.
I wonder how it plays now after two cooperative addons...
There is a co-op expansion, now, but I also can't tell why it wasn't in the vanilla game.
Does the expansion make this worth picking up?
@@TheMartinChronicles I don't know, unfortunately.
Never played, I've just seen a few people play.
@@TheMartinChronicles The expansion 'New California' is more of the same (albeit a nice chunk of new things) with 1 co-op mission (which feels a bit gimmicky). However, most of the items are mixed up with the base game so that's a relief. The 'Atomic Bonds' expansion is the big boi though! It makes every mission into a real co-op game with some new mechanics which are not too difficult to learn. For example instead of gaining (random, sometimes) influence, the agenda cards are tossed to the side and introduces new activation cards and creates co-op objectives - AND FAST TRAVELING (GODSEND). I liked the base game with a 6/10 - and this video is a bit too harsh in my opinion (although the randomness is spot-on though!!) My SO hated the game because of it. But now with the expansions (especially Atomic Bonds) I personally up the score to a 7,5/10. Even my SO enjoys it much more now. Yes the expansion Atomic Bonds is a must - but the New California is just extra fluff without Atomic Bonds. So go all in if you want a better game or try to look at some playtroughs with it. Hope this helps ;)
@@michaeld.5607 yes! Thanks for the info!
0:02 OH NO MORE MIRRORS (Is Matt taking the piss after Quintin's last few reviews in the mirrored room..)
1:53 Chair! I can't.. the mirror.. I..
10:12 A soft romantic filter is best for breaking bad news
Seriously though, this was a great review. Your level of craft continues to amaze, Matt. :)
Long comment but stay with me:
I have followed development of the Fallout board game since it was first officially announced. Once I finally bought it, I was so overwhelmed by the amount of cards, chips, and manuals in the box that I didn't touch it for months. I tried again a while after, but only got as far as painting the miniatures before putting everything away again. Today was my third and final time sitting down, and trying to learn how to play the board game the way it was intended.
After rewatching Geek & Sundry's video multiple times I finally thought to myself "why can't I just get the hang of this game"? Luckily I stumbled across your guys' channel and decided screw it. The game can be the foundation for the Fallout game I want, but I'm not gonna sit here and force myself to try and play it as it was intended.
Thanks for making an in-depth and honest review of the game. The board game sounds very much like the rest of the franchise: clunky, bloated, but fun if you make your own rules and don't take it too seriously.