Exactly. This hand-slapping girl fight between Americans and Britons is really annoying and pathetic. I mean, save that shit for the mosh pit and enjoy the fucking show already!
It's been needed for almost two decades now. Music is art and it comes from the true soul and I have not heard anything lately worth getting excited about.
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams..
I don't think it matters where it 'started'; the UK and US punk scenes are both VERY different. Like the guy in the video said, in US it was more 'about the music' but a lot of UK bands (like The Slits) only used the music as a readily available medium for what they wanted to do. I always like to think of the UK as Punk and US as 'Punk Rock' because the US was more 'rock n roll' in the conventional stylistic sense than a lot of UK bands. Both equally valid and had great bands and music though. I do agree that both sides got the 'image' from Richard Hell initially.
@@sexobscura The name Punk came from Australian pub band,s like AC/BC and others like them, The Term Punk Rock came from the UK and had nothing to do with America until till band,s like the Ramones ,Patty Smith, Blondie,Talking Head.s and others got gig,s at the CBGB club, OK you Yobs !!!!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
my thumbs up is nr 77. You're right, and i'd even skip that P/PR division. I'm ALL for UK76/82, but only a person without any sense of History would claim PUNK didn't start in NYC. Sorry. It's the facts. Post-Scriptum - ... and never underestimate the relevance of France76/77 - amazing groups !
The music started in New York, but the whole style and look was definitely a London thing. You never saw anyone anywhere else in the world dressed the way the young Punks were dressed in London in the 70s. If you went to a Patti Smith or Ramones concert you'd never see teens looking like Soo Catwoman. Watching from the home of Punk Rock, London UK.
@@kurtisbased183 I'd heard that Malcolm McLaren used to carry around a picture of Richard Hell in his wallet. He had been to New York and had managed the New york Dolls for a short time, though not too successfully. He had got to New York at about the time when all those bands were starting out. So he had a pretty good idea of what punk was and could be. There was a punk movement coming together in London and his shop was like a catalyst for the movement. There was already a rough and ready scene called 'Pub Rock', and a lot of the punks borrowed from Glam Rock. In the US I don't think either of these movements made much impression, not to the extent they did in the UK. The UK punks had different origins, but the outcome was much the same. I was young and living in a provincial town at the time, but there was still thousands of punks about when the scene hit big.
Well? Your Right! With a Couple of Points! & Facts! In the Very Early Los Angeles Punk Rock Scene! 1974 thru 1977? Nobody dressed up like Cat Woman? Or very early Adverts, Penetration,Or? Siouxsie & The Banshees? @ First? Until 1977 thru 1980? When it became Fashionable? To Dress Up? Like A U.K.Punk Rocker!!!!
Another very important point & fact! The very first wave of Punk Rock! Started first in Hollywood! & All of The Suburbs! In Los Angeles! The Ramones! & All of New York! Boston! & Chicago Punk Rock Bands! & Scene! Were Practicing! Jamming! & Recording Demo Tapes! @ The Same Time! The Los Angeles Punk Rock Scene! Was Doing The Same Thing! Marketing & Promoting Themselves! The D.I.Y. ( Do It Yourself ) Way! To Hopefully? Acquire? & Land A Record Deal & Long-Term Contract? With A Major Record Label? @ That Time? Back In 1977 thru 1980?
@@caminhoneirocastilhos509 Yeah, agree, The Monks are Ponks! I got a compilation record of theirs. That's the 1960s band and not the group that had the novelty hit in the 1970s There's loads of bands from the past that can be seen as precedents to Punk, but few of them make the claim to have started it. I respect that. I have checked out loads of groups that I wouldn't have heard of if it wasn't for Punk, all those that's mentioned here, and not been disappointed.
couldn't agree more. For musically, American punk bands basically invented the sound of punk. But when punk became as social and political movement, it all started in London
@@x99ribs Rockets from the Tomb for that matter. But they started a bit later than, say, The Stooges or the New York Dolls. And didn't the Dead Boys end up in NY?
Oh the age old debate of where did punk originate, here’s the thing, both the U.S. & the UK have amazing bands that were very crucial to punk rock. Who cares who started it, just enjoy the music.
punk is english. Because it's a movement that dragged a phenomeom of artists and bands who wanted to destroy what rock n roll has become in the 70s with boring bands like Pink Floyd, Led zeppelin, Genesis, etc. The Velvet, Stooges, MC5, etc were protopunk that inspired the punks.
Exactly!! The Saints released In Stranded before The Damned and Sex Pistols released anything in the UK. I've been trying to tell this to these some of these fervent Brits. They're not understanding what punk rock really is. It's not blind nationalism and who's was first or who's better etc. That crap is in fact NOT punk rock all. But some people just can't seem to grasp that.
@@cronulla70 ummm....... isn't punk rock about not following trends and abiding by a strict set of rules?? The whole wearing a "punk costume" or having a Mohawk and your band only sounding a certain way is SO NOT PUNK ROCK!! In fact you could argue that when the Brits adopted all of those cute little punk rock costumes and hair cuts and their rigidly narrow laws for what sound was and wasn't punk rock they killed punk rock. Cute costumes and a bunch of narrow rigid rules and guidelines ARE NOT PUNK ROCK!!! In fact it is the complete opposite of what punk rock truly is. Why can't people grasp this simple and major part of the punk rock ethos. I just don't get it.
The music was basically garage rock from the 1960s, the big difference that defined "punk" was the lyrics that became self-conscious and delivered a social protest and not alienation as before. The Sex Pistols were the first punk band in this regard, singing that you are an antichrist and an anarchist causes serious problems even today, calling the queen a fascist in England was also something without comparison. I think in the USA the one who got very close to this first punk wave was undoubtedly Dead Kennedys, they had this vision of awakening to problems in society.
100%, but I don't think they understand! There would have been no Clash without the Pistols, no Crass without the Clash influencing Steve Ignorant, Joe Strummer ad Mick Jones were playing garage rock / pub rock until they saw the Pistols.... The Kennedys and others carried that punk spirit too, but the ramones and that early U.S. scene said nothing political, and celebrated simply self-destructive hedonism, hence Vicious felt at home there I guess? empty, pointless, narcissistic hedonism... Nothing grows out of a vacuum, but Rotten and his lyrics defined / redefined the whole thing... made it something completely different... anarchy! A second generation Irish lad, influenced by Mclaren and Westwood, both art students, of an age with, and in turn influenced by, the 1968 French situationalists... noone else mentioned Anarchy" until Rotten did, there were no circled "A"s, and where does a 17 year old hear about that in day to day life? And that's what defines punk, what makes it a lifestyle not just a fashion. Those who survive out grew the hedonism, but continue to pursue and hold the ideals of anarchism.
@@lungqino111 "I was sayin let me out of here before I was even born--it's such a gamble when you get a face It's fascinatin to observe what the mirror does but when I dine it's for the wall that I set a place I belong to the blank generation and I can take it or leave it each time I belong to the ______ generation but I can take it or leave it each time Triangles were fallin at the window as the doctor cursed He was a cartoon long forsaken by the public eye The nurse adjusted her garters as I breathed my first The doctor grabbed my throat and yelled, "God's consolation prize!" I belong to the blank generation and I can take it or leave it each time I belong to the ______ generation but I can take it or leave it each time To hold the t.v. to my lips, the… " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_Generation_(song)
The Sex Pistols did not have a "vision" and there was no "first punk wave". Why are Americans always looking for meaning in and context in everything ?? The most "meaningful" thing you might say about punk is that it was a reaction to the squalor and disfunction of `70s Britain. This place was a f-----g dump.
I became aware of it in 1976, but didn't start getting into it until the following year. In 1977 there was so many new bands around doing punk-type stuff and like everybody was turning punk. But it wasn't that well defined. So a typical punk kid would have The Ramones, Stranglers, Sex Pistols, Damned, The Clash, The Saints, Boomtown Rats, Buzzcocks records for definite, but then there would also be stuff by Dr Feelgood and Eddie and the Hot Rods and other Pub Rockers which are now seen as something different. There were a few anomolies like Wayne County and also The Tubes kept cropping up. A few had the Television LP, but I don't recall anybody having The New York Dolls or the MC5. Just before punk there was a resurgence of Rock n Roll (Teddy Boys) so you had bands like Darts kicking about. Glam Rock was still very big, mainly the more thuggish bands like Slade or The Sweet and this was typical choice of music of football hooligans. Being a 'tough' kid was seen as something to aspire to, and the press in the UK depicted Punks as louts and yobbos, and that certainly helped it's take-up by young impressionable kids like myself.
I'm an American, but I'd say Australia, Brisbane to be more specific has a claim to an early punk band/album title w/ the Saints debut '(I'm) Stranded' LP that was originally recorded in 1975, limited released in 1976 (the year the Ramones' 1st LP came out) & then released worldwide in 1977 - yes, the Ramones were playing shows in 1974, but The Saints had no knowledge of the Ramones until well after their debut was released. However, one listen to Ed Kuepper's similar buzzsaw sound to Johnny Ramone's Mosrite downstroke (in Ed's case due to directly plugging into the PA system w/o a pre-amp) in songs "Demolition Girl", "Erotic Neurotic", & the ultimate ode to The Stooges, "Night in Venice" are punk rock @ its most distilled, & all from 1975. RIP Chris Bailey
Pub rock has a good shout about being the pre-cursor to punk in London but of course the Ramones played Camden in 1976. Maybe invented in New York, iconisised in London.
why do people keep asking this stupid question it started in London in 1976 100% fact & like the way punks outside CBGB's are all dressed in the UK punk uniform
Hi mate I said the same your right. The yanks standing out cgcbs saying we copied and yet there ther with mohawks spiky heir looking like the English punk you are a good person to spot that from a punk from England Hampshire punk is british we are proud
@@tudormiller8898 iv always said that. It's funny because all the hillbilly stuff all came from mostly scottland the music in to blue grass that barn dance thing they do all came from Scotland the shetlands. The only good thing they done with music was rock n roll really the blues and jazz really tracies back round about 3 to 4 hounded years. If the yanks want to get smart. Any way hi from a English punk
@Logan Stroganoff I think your chating shit punks English the music and fashion thats it if you yanks whant to get smart well hillbillies cloultrue all came from Scotland the barn dance you do in USA came from the shetlands. Jazz and blues really dates back round about 3 to 4 hounded years ago. The only good thing you yanks done was rock n roll in the 50s. And if it wasn't for us british and French we'll there no such thing of rock n roll you be all native Americans and yes punk rock is English
They are two completely different scenes: in the USA it was innitially called "garage rock" whilst in the UK it was called "punk rock" by the press both having their own particular political-economical-social backgrounds which resulted in both having their own distinctive sound, lyrics, fashion and artistical graphic design! Albeit sharing some similarities mainly in the rebel DIY kind of attitude mixed with fast, loud, 3 minutes, 3 chord songs fueled by anger, energy, liquor (mainly beer) and amphetamine speed/heroin that spawned various teenage amateur bands whose members were unprofessional self-taught musicians improving as they went along the fact still remains that the british punk rock scene and the american garage rock scene are in fact 2 different scenes altogether just like the 2 different faces of the same coin! The so-called "proto-punk" bands of the late '60s and early '70s which originated in the USA influenced both the american garage rock bands and the british punk rock bands of the mid late '70s...
@@JorBc26 well they are wrong. It has nothing to do with the New York or London punk scenes. They don’t sound punk, nor did anyone outside of Peru hear it, so the magazines are wrong on both influence and whether it sounds like punk.
The punk attitude and sound could be found earlier in the USA , but they looked more like heavy metal fans. The UK refined the punk style and created the punk scene with faster music.
Remember, before the Pistols, Maclaran was in NYC managing the Dolls and he came across Television et al in the CBGB. Brought the ripped tee shirts idea back to London and Vivienne Westwood picked it up and ran with it. No secret that the English punks loved MC5 , The New York Dolls and The Stooges.
Nobody ever heard of MC5 in London in the 70s. I was a teenager there and well into all his. Neither did it have shit to do with the dolls or Television. You clearly have no idea of the social conditions that spawned the genre nor any of the history behind it. You do not know what the F you are talking about, but then you are US so thats par for the course for 98% of your countrymen.
@a w yeah but none of the American or UK bands talk about destroying shit and dead people and shit like that in their songs until the 70s.Los Saicos are just the last piece to the puzzle that made up so many great punk rock bands one of their first songs they talked about demolishing a public train station
El Punk empezó en el Perú en los años 60's y los creadores del punk fueron Los Saicos la primera banda punk del mundo. Su musica antisistema su look agresivo y el hazlo tu mismo lo crearon ellos. larga a vida a los Saicos. gaaaaaaaaaaaa Saludos a la beba army y a mi causa la beba sideral y su jerma la Jona . vas a caer chupetin gaaaaaaaaaaa
I suspect punk's place as a musical role has existed since we started becoming serious about music, I can imagine pumping up for battle with chants and a driving beat. Punk as a specific musical form mainly came from the American garage movement but but the term didn't come until later, if you're looking at that later wave of punk a case might be made for it starting in England.
Punk existed as a word (for some sort of hoodlum or whatever) in American English before `76 whereas in the UK it did not. Here it still only refers to music. It has never been used in any other context in the UK.
Haha! Just b/c some "Noisey" employee who knows nothing about punk said that, doesn't mean it's true. If ya believe that, I got some magic beans for you too!
This video’s interviews from London and New York was from 20 years ago on a culture from the previous 20 years. And wonder what they are all doing now.
New York - The Velvet Underground - New York Dolls - Ramones Michigan - MC 5 - The Stooges Ohio -The Dead Boys -The Cramps -Devo UK - Sex Pistols - The Clash - The Damned
Clash and sex pistols are the most household names in the world when it comes to punk. Both Britsh. Most people wouldnt even know what genre ramones are, velvet undground swing between genre and mostly just classed as alternate. Ny dolls are prob the only commonly known as punk group on your list as 'american'.
Pointing to one specific point of origin is an exercise in futility, because punk music emerged in both countries--and elsewhere--around the same time. In the U.S., it emerged from garage and psychedlic rock. In the U.K., it emerged from glam and pub rock. Sonically, punk rock existed at least a decade before 1977, but punk rock scenes emerged organically in both places out of necessity. Punk rock was a response to--at least in part--commercial rock and it's inaccessibility, it's rigidness and it's banality.
Started with the Ramones at CBGB’s. Punk Rock term coined by Hilly Crystal when he first saw them (The Ramones). Weren’t popular in the states but were popular in UK., the rest is history.
Punk rock is music. Punk rock was an influence on the music scene in North America. In the UK punk was a sea change not just in music but also fashion, art, business and politics
I remember CBGS's and the NY scene back then, the crowds and most of the bands were from out of town. Mostly slumming rich kids who could afford to look too weird to be hired at any job and lots of NY University students. Sort of like the Hipsters that would follow them years later. The US scene was propelled by college radio stations and mostly it was just weekender punks following the latest trend. While the London and UK scene in comparison was huge and it seems, I say seems as I wasn't there, to be filled by angry unemployed youth with no jobs to be had even if they did clean up. Great music from both countries, but while NY was doing an edgy pose , London had the real audience. Los Angeles too, late to the game by a couple of years had a large punk following but was just a cliché copy of London. Real street music from NYC and LA came from the South Bronx and South Central. No posers or college kids there.
They are my generation ( i think ) and I was a child in the punk era People styled like that in the 90s were rare and also seen a bit as '' the fvck '' '' are they still doing this ''
Attitude-wise, the early Stones. The term 'punk' was coined by an American music journalist in the early 70's to describe American garage music in 1964-1966. Took on a life of its own in London in 1976, kickstarted there by the Ramones. The rest is history...
@ANDON HOWARD Yes, that is correct. Their concert in London at the Roundhouse on July 4th, 1976 was the watershed event that kick-started U.K. punk. It was a pivotal moment for the movers and shakers of the then-nascent punk scene there.
The pistols had already done this at the lesser free trade hall in Manchester..the ramones made a few Brit bands speed up, but to say they kicked started the punk scene in England is absolute codswallop
@@stevehastings5161 Legend in my book and one seriously talented guitarist Damned Damned Damned is arguably one of the greatest debut albums of all time and for me the Damned are the best punk band to come out of the 70s explosion.
The sex pistols manager heard something similar to punk in New York and then formed the sex pistols, dressed them in Vivianne westwood apparel which created the look Short answer, music from NY and looks from london lmao
Thats the kind of comment you get from someone who has never stepped beyond their own doorstep, never experienced any other culture or social condition other than their own yet still thinks they know everything. In short 98% of the population of the USA. That Maclaren managed or tried and failed to manage the NY Dolls in `74 has zero to do with a music genre that grew out of filth, poverty and hopelessness in the UK in the 70s. In other words, you know nothing.
As someone from neither country, I'd say that punk definitely started in London. The music, the fashion and most importantly; the attitude and ideology.
It depends on what you mean. The music pretty much started in NY, but even that, you have to give credit to what lead to it. Nothing is born in a vacuum. The first easily classifiable "punk" album was the Ramones debut, which even has a song called "Judy Is A Punk." It's not really debatable that, as a defined musical genre, that's where it's from. (The Clash's "White Riot" was basically just, take the Ramones sound and make it about politics.) However, even the Ramones sound, a LOT lead up to it. It didn't just come from nowhere. Art doesn't work like that. (Kurt Cobain didn't just "invent" grunge either.) The Ramones owe a debt to the Detroit bands, the glam bands like the NY Dolls, and even all the old garage-rock bands, like The Kingsmen and ? and the Mysterians. And, weirdly enough, Johnny Ramone, who pretty much did start the "punk" guitar sound that the Clash and the Pistols copied, he was influenced by Led Zeppelin, of all people. He admitted that. "Communication Breakdown," the down-stroke barrage thing. Influence is a long road. But what really is known as the "punk" sound, clearly, identifiable, no one would ever say it's not punk, that was born with the Ramones debut. It just was. It's not debatable. But the "punk look" and it being tied to politics, that really got started in London. A lot of people say Malcom McLaren took American Richard Hell's personal dressing style and built a fashion movement out it. McLaren and his girlfriend or wife or whatever she was, Vivienne Westwood, they made a bunch of clothes and got all the London "punks" dressing like that. This is another thing that's really not debatable. So, to sum up: The sound, New York. The style, London. But both the sound and style have earlier influences. New Yorkers influencing Londoners, Londoners influencing New Yorkers. That's art, that's a "movement." That's how it happens.
and my Cosmic Psychos...??? 58 years Punk Rocker from Motorcity Stuttgart / Germany I have a tattoo the cover of "nice day go to the pub" but their best song, of many brilliant ones, is "Bullet" and it's music for tough men, separets them from the boys 1991 I spent a night with in Leiden / Holland drunk and intoxicated as hell - good memories and don't remember much of anything from '76 to '95 ☠️💣☠️ have fun
yes...It started in America...MC5, Stooges, New York Dolls...and that was just the very early 70's...then came the Ramones...look it up on youtube...they played punk gigs in 1974...television, Blondie Dead Boys, Talking Heads, Patti Smith...and we haven't even reached 1976 yet.....to me there are only a few truly original British punk bands..Clash, Kilburn and the High Roads, Damned, Buzzcocks, Dr. Feelgood, Eddie and the Hot Rods and the Pistols in no specific order...what they did in 1975/1976 was completely ground breaking...what followed in 1977 was just awfull...any idiot who owned a leather jacket thought forming a band would be a good career move..it quickly became just another fashion..Chelsea and Generation X????.....punk in Britain was completely dead by 1st of January 1977...just hangers on with 3 chords and no talent
@@thomasandersen6719 always the same generic names are bandied about - next comes Krautrock starring Kraftwerk and Neu [and any band Eno deigned worthy of his ears]...
@@thomasandersen6719 put your flag down, there are so many countries on this planet who created music with aggression and tones of anti establishment in their lyrics which would eventually be known as punk. Australian band The Saints formed in 74 for example. Anyway it's been looked into far too much and no denying it sounds different on the two sides of the pond. Punk in Britain dead by Jan 77 ? hangers on with no talent ? and would that be the same three chords that the Ramones played ? Punk is more alive today than it was back then, there is far more punk bands around today than back in the 70's but they are not mainstream and that's the way it should be. Your too busy stuck on the old STARS to give a toss about the new ideas of the punk culture today. That's my penny spent.
Plain and simple theres.... *The Pre-Punk era 1967 - 1974* The Stooges, MC5 (Detroit) Modern Lovers, New York Dolls (East Coast) *The 1st Wave 1975 - 1979* (New York) The Dictators, Dead Boys, The Heartbreakers, Richard Hell & The Voidoids, Patti Smith, Ramones (U.K.) The Damned, Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols, The Clash *The 2nd Wave 1980 - 1989* (Everywhere) D.O.A., X, Circle Jerks, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Raw Power, The Misfits, The Cramps, Crass, G.B.H.,The Exploited, M.D.C., Descendents, Cro-Mags ....then Punk was done.....just the occasional reunion crap with no original members trying to cash in on current retro trends.
Sorry but for the English "1st Wave" as you've put it you've missed the importance of punk bands trying to think outside the box and coming up with something new - Siouxsie and the Banshees, Penetration, Adam and the Ants all spring to mind.
None of which are or were punk. Punk wasnt your gig. Deal with it. And while your at it get out of your own back yard, buy a plane ticket and experience the rest of the World before you die. You might actually learn something.
The Sonics The Stooges The Mc5 The New York Dolls Even the Who The Stones and the Kinks all had Punkish songs .. but that first Ramones album is the first punk rock album ..
Where punk started is a simple enough question to answer providing whoever is asking also reveals what they believe the definition of punk to be..its about as ambiguous a term as i can think of.....perhaps a more intrsting question that could have been asked to the punks is what the word punk means to them.
In the heart. Punk Rock starts in the heart.
absolutely. amen....
punk is an ethos...not a lifestyle.
@Snarick Klash lol
what a hippie comment
Exactly. This hand-slapping girl fight between Americans and Britons is really annoying and pathetic. I mean, save that shit for the mosh pit and enjoy the fucking show already!
Who cares where it started? We need another movement like this to destroy commercial pop and the music industry. The end
Amen to that
It's been needed for almost two decades now. Music is art and it comes from the true soul and I have not heard anything lately worth getting excited about.
Its the internet
Look for it you fucking poser
Definitely! I think everyone's too preoccupied with the Rap Revolution though.
@@tudormiller8898 The rap revolution has been happening for 20 years. Time for something different. Shake things up
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams..
Now that's Punk!!!
"You can't put your arms around a memory" Johnny Thunders
@@Suzismymom Hear, Hear!!!
I don't think it matters where it 'started'; the UK and US punk scenes are both VERY different. Like the guy in the video said, in US it was more 'about the music' but a lot of UK bands (like The Slits) only used the music as a readily available medium for what they wanted to do. I always like to think of the UK as Punk and US as 'Punk Rock' because the US was more 'rock n roll' in the conventional stylistic sense than a lot of UK bands. Both equally valid and had great bands and music though. I do agree that both sides got the 'image' from Richard Hell initially.
the term PUNK is only a media contrivance anyway, so who cares -- music is just and only that
It started in Peru and spread to Spain than U.K
@@sexobscura The name Punk came from Australian pub band,s like AC/BC and others like them, The Term Punk Rock came from the UK and had nothing to do with America until till band,s like the Ramones ,Patty Smith, Blondie,Talking Head.s and others got gig,s at the CBGB club, OK you Yobs !!!!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I don't think the L.A. Hardcore Punk scene of 1979 and on would be considered Punk - Rock n Roll
my thumbs up is nr 77. You're right, and i'd even skip that P/PR division. I'm ALL for UK76/82, but only a person without any sense of History would claim PUNK didn't start in NYC. Sorry. It's the facts. Post-Scriptum - ... and never underestimate the relevance of France76/77 - amazing groups !
The music started in New York, but the whole style and look was definitely a London thing. You never saw anyone anywhere else in the world dressed the way the young Punks were dressed in London in the 70s. If you went to a Patti Smith or Ramones concert you'd never see teens looking like Soo Catwoman. Watching from the home of Punk Rock, London UK.
Richard hell
@@kurtisbased183 I'd heard that Malcolm McLaren used to carry around a picture of Richard Hell in his wallet. He had been to New York and had managed the New york Dolls for a short time, though not too successfully. He had got to New York at about the time when all those bands were starting out. So he had a pretty good idea of what punk was and could be. There was a punk movement coming together in London and his shop was like a catalyst for the movement. There was already a rough and ready scene called 'Pub Rock', and a lot of the punks borrowed from Glam Rock. In the US I don't think either of these movements made much impression, not to the extent they did in the UK. The UK punks had different origins, but the outcome was much the same. I was young and living in a provincial town at the time, but there was still thousands of punks about when the scene hit big.
@@lazygazzzer Just a youth fashion of the day though. I liked the music of that time but it was dress up for a lot of middle class relbels
Well? Your Right! With a Couple of Points! & Facts! In the Very Early Los Angeles Punk Rock Scene! 1974 thru 1977? Nobody dressed up like Cat Woman? Or very early Adverts, Penetration,Or? Siouxsie & The Banshees? @ First? Until 1977 thru 1980? When it became Fashionable? To Dress Up? Like A U.K.Punk Rocker!!!!
Another very important point & fact! The very first wave of Punk Rock! Started first in Hollywood! & All of The Suburbs! In Los Angeles! The Ramones! & All of New York! Boston! & Chicago Punk Rock Bands! & Scene! Were Practicing! Jamming! & Recording Demo Tapes! @ The Same Time! The Los Angeles Punk Rock Scene! Was Doing The Same Thing! Marketing & Promoting Themselves! The D.I.Y. ( Do It Yourself ) Way! To Hopefully? Acquire? & Land A Record Deal & Long-Term Contract? With A Major Record Label? @ That Time? Back In 1977 thru 1980?
The Punk fashion was British. Those NY Punks are dressed like British Punks from around 1980.
Fashion? more like a pose
wrong.. Malcolm McLaren got the whole safety pin/torn clothes thing from Richard Hell
@@1967PONTIACGTO hey fam would you be so kind to email me a brief history of punk / punk fashion and culture in your own words if I paid you
@@XX-yz9tv you don't have to pay me, lol... what do you want to know
Naw, they all copied it from Richard Hell
I remember a quote from somewhere - NY made it, London packaged it, LA sold it.
Bullshit, bullshit and bullshit.
punk rock started on states. Punk as we know it ( dressing, lyrics, attitude )
Definitely on the UK
It started in my head
I knew it 😂
underrated comment
Born in Peru with "Los Saicos" in 1964
In case anyone hasn't checked out this band - don't bother. It's surf music, done badly.
@@lazygazzzer I think The Monks from germany were more close to punk than them...
@@caminhoneirocastilhos509 actually who invented punk was black people. A band called Death by african americans. That was the start of all
@@caminhoneirocastilhos509 Yeah, agree, The Monks are Ponks! I got a compilation record of theirs. That's the 1960s band and not the group that had the novelty hit in the 1970s
There's loads of bands from the past that can be seen as precedents to Punk, but few of them make the claim to have started it. I respect that. I have checked out loads of groups that I wouldn't have heard of if it wasn't for Punk, all those that's mentioned here, and not been disappointed.
@@ellaes6602 true
New York-Detroit. As an underground movement. As a wider social phenomenon, London.
couldn't agree more.
For musically, American punk bands basically invented the sound of punk.
But when punk became as social and political movement, it all started in London
The Punk look and style was definitely a London thing.
That is the fairest way to put it! Bless y'a soul
People forget about the Ohio proto-punk scene with bands like Pere Ubu
@@x99ribs Rockets from the Tomb for that matter. But they started a bit later than, say, The Stooges or the New York Dolls. And didn't the Dead Boys end up in NY?
The Deviants (formerly The Social Deviants) were an English rock group originally active in the late 1960 . First album 1967 protopunk
The Who in 1965 did punk music.
Beautiful punkrock girls
Oh the age old debate of where did punk originate, here’s the thing, both the U.S. & the UK have amazing bands that were very crucial to punk rock. Who cares who started it, just enjoy the music.
punk is english. Because it's a movement that dragged a phenomeom of artists and bands who wanted to destroy what rock n roll has become in the 70s with boring bands like Pink Floyd, Led zeppelin, Genesis, etc. The Velvet, Stooges, MC5, etc were protopunk that inspired the punks.
Yes but it was made in Peru 1963
movement or music genre? so You are saying a poser is more valuable than creating a music style? OK man! Good to know your opinion.
🤣🤣🤣 what r u?
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@@ulises8419 no
Everywhere intheworld
When we started going above the norm
You can find punk everywhere
Really really enjoyed this video,and have a lovely week ahead and stay safe debs fan xx 🧑🎤 🤗.....
The Saints LP, I'm Stranded was released before Bollocks and Ramones 1st album...so yeah it started in Brisbane.
Brisbane Aus or Brisbane Ca? 😀
@@lastnamefirst4035 The Saints were from Brisbane Australia...
And the Saints went to London wearing long hair & the wrong fashion & got shunned from the fashion punks of England, so much for no rules
Exactly!! The Saints released In Stranded before The Damned and Sex Pistols released anything in the UK. I've been trying to tell this to these some of these fervent Brits. They're not understanding what punk rock really is. It's not blind nationalism and who's was first or who's better etc. That crap is in fact NOT punk rock all. But some people just can't seem to grasp that.
@@cronulla70 ummm....... isn't punk rock about not following trends and abiding by a strict set of rules?? The whole wearing a "punk costume" or having a Mohawk and your band only sounding a certain way is SO NOT PUNK ROCK!! In fact you could argue that when the Brits adopted all of those cute little punk rock costumes and hair cuts and their rigidly narrow laws for what sound was and wasn't punk rock they killed punk rock. Cute costumes and a bunch of narrow rigid rules and guidelines ARE NOT PUNK ROCK!!! In fact it is the complete opposite of what punk rock truly is. Why can't people grasp this simple and major part of the punk rock ethos. I just don't get it.
The music was basically garage rock from the 1960s, the big difference that defined "punk" was the lyrics that became self-conscious and delivered a social protest and not alienation as before. The Sex Pistols were the first punk band in this regard, singing that you are an antichrist and an anarchist causes serious problems even today, calling the queen a fascist in England was also something without comparison. I think in the USA the one who got very close to this first punk wave was undoubtedly Dead Kennedys, they had this vision of awakening to problems in society.
100%, but I don't think they understand! There would have been no Clash without the Pistols, no Crass without the Clash influencing Steve Ignorant, Joe Strummer ad Mick Jones were playing garage rock / pub rock until they saw the Pistols.... The Kennedys and others carried that punk spirit too, but the ramones and that early U.S. scene said nothing political, and celebrated simply self-destructive hedonism, hence Vicious felt at home there I guess? empty, pointless, narcissistic hedonism... Nothing grows out of a vacuum, but Rotten and his lyrics defined / redefined the whole thing... made it something completely different... anarchy! A second generation Irish lad, influenced by Mclaren and Westwood, both art students, of an age with, and in turn influenced by, the 1968 French situationalists... noone else mentioned Anarchy" until Rotten did, there were no circled "A"s, and where does a 17 year old hear about that in day to day life? And that's what defines punk, what makes it a lifestyle not just a fashion. Those who survive out grew the hedonism, but continue to pursue and hold the ideals of anarchism.
@@lungqino111
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The Sex Pistols did not have a "vision" and there was no "first punk wave". Why are Americans always looking for meaning in and context in everything ?? The most "meaningful" thing you might say about punk is that it was a reaction to the squalor and disfunction of `70s Britain. This place was a f-----g dump.
Greg Griffin was doing it way before Jello.
I became aware of it in 1976, but didn't start getting into it until the following year. In 1977 there was so many new bands around doing punk-type stuff and like everybody was turning punk. But it wasn't that well defined. So a typical punk kid would have The Ramones, Stranglers, Sex Pistols, Damned, The Clash, The Saints, Boomtown Rats, Buzzcocks records for definite, but then there would also be stuff by Dr Feelgood and Eddie and the Hot Rods and other Pub Rockers which are now seen as something different. There were a few anomolies like Wayne County and also The Tubes kept cropping up. A few had the Television LP, but I don't recall anybody having The New York Dolls or the MC5. Just before punk there was a resurgence of Rock n Roll (Teddy Boys) so you had bands like Darts kicking about. Glam Rock was still very big, mainly the more thuggish bands like Slade or The Sweet and this was typical choice of music of football hooligans. Being a 'tough' kid was seen as something to aspire to, and the press in the UK depicted Punks as louts and yobbos, and that certainly helped it's take-up by young impressionable kids like myself.
Brilliant recollection and fine memory.
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Well put together.
It all started with Eddie Cochran.
Sun records 🌞 haha
The Who in 1965.
In Peru !! With a band called "Los Saicos"
I'm an American, but I'd say Australia, Brisbane to be more specific has a claim to an early punk band/album title w/ the Saints debut '(I'm) Stranded' LP that was originally recorded in 1975, limited released in 1976 (the year the Ramones' 1st LP came out) & then released worldwide in 1977 - yes, the Ramones were playing shows in 1974, but The Saints had no knowledge of the Ramones until well after their debut was released. However, one listen to Ed Kuepper's similar buzzsaw sound to Johnny Ramone's Mosrite downstroke (in Ed's case due to directly plugging into the PA system w/o a pre-amp) in songs "Demolition Girl", "Erotic Neurotic", & the ultimate ode to The Stooges, "Night in Venice" are punk rock @ its most distilled, & all from 1975. RIP Chris Bailey
Pub rock has a good shout about being the pre-cursor to punk in London but of course the Ramones played Camden in 1976. Maybe invented in New York, iconisised in London.
Except the Ramones were not punk. Not even close.
@@admiralbenbow5083 I reckon they were 'pop punk' Admiral.
why do people keep asking this stupid question it started in London in 1976 100% fact & like the way punks outside CBGB's are all dressed in the UK punk uniform
I think most Americans especially New Yorkers love to think everything to do with music started in the US.
@Logan Stroganoff Really ? The whole Doc Martens, tartan trousers, denim jacket, ripped tshirt, multicolored mohawk or short spiky hair look ?
Hi mate I said the same your right. The yanks standing out cgcbs saying we copied and yet there ther with mohawks spiky heir looking like the English punk you are a good person to spot that from a punk from England Hampshire punk is british we are proud
@@tudormiller8898 iv always said that. It's funny because all the hillbilly stuff all came from mostly scottland the music in to blue grass that barn dance thing they do all came from Scotland the shetlands. The only good thing they done with music was rock n roll really the blues and jazz really tracies back round about 3 to 4 hounded years. If the yanks want to get smart. Any way hi from a English punk
@Logan Stroganoff I think your chating shit punks English the music and fashion thats it if you yanks whant to get smart well hillbillies cloultrue all came from Scotland the barn dance you do in USA came from the shetlands. Jazz and blues really dates back round about 3 to 4 hounded years ago. The only good thing you yanks done was rock n roll in the 50s. And if it wasn't for us british and French we'll there no such thing of rock n roll you be all native Americans and yes punk rock is English
They are two completely different scenes: in the USA it was innitially called "garage rock" whilst in the UK it was called "punk rock" by the press both having their own particular political-economical-social backgrounds which resulted in both having their own distinctive sound, lyrics, fashion and artistical graphic design!
Albeit sharing some similarities mainly in the rebel DIY kind of attitude mixed with fast, loud, 3 minutes, 3 chord songs fueled by anger, energy, liquor (mainly beer) and amphetamine speed/heroin that spawned various teenage amateur bands whose members were unprofessional self-taught musicians improving as they went along the fact still remains that the british punk rock scene and the american garage rock scene are in fact 2 different scenes altogether just like the 2 different faces of the same coin!
The so-called "proto-punk" bands of the late '60s and early '70s which originated in the USA influenced both the american garage rock bands and the british punk rock bands of the mid late '70s...
it depends which tabloid you worked for really
The beginnings of Punk Rock almost certainly started in and around New York, however it was in the UK where it gained full notoriety.
If people are going to trace it back to the 1960s then trace it back to the Who in 1965.
Do you know The band CRASS?
Punk is a music that u don't need a certificate to play,u play what ever u want
New York dolls were thought of as glam rock.
Finally somebody has said something sensible. Thank you.
Listen to the st 2 NY Dolls LPs. At times it sounds exactly like the Sex Pistols with grittier less distorted guitar.
Ah, they were the days!!
Punk was born in Peru (Lima) in 1964, many years before it start in UK or USA. they are: "Los Saicos" . check it out
shut up idiot, that's not punk
@@prpwnage9296 that's proto punk, which is the base of punk idiot
make me laugh, did you see that on youtube
@@georgehutchinson2337 that's the story and a lot of famous punk and magazines recognized that punk was born in Peru
@@JorBc26 well they are wrong. It has nothing to do with the New York or London punk scenes. They don’t sound punk, nor did anyone outside of Peru hear it, so the magazines are wrong on both influence and whether it sounds like punk.
Was there in 77 57 now
The punk attitude and sound could be found earlier in the USA , but they looked more like heavy metal fans. The UK refined the punk style and created the punk scene with faster music.
Started in Ireland
Yup NYC period ,, Malcolm took it back to England
Who remembers the Alternative London PUNK DOLLS by Marian Kenny? They were sold in souvenir shops and news kiosks throughout London in the 80's.
Remember, before the Pistols, Maclaran was in NYC managing the Dolls and he came across Television et al in the CBGB. Brought the ripped tee shirts idea back to London and Vivienne Westwood picked it up and ran with it. No secret that the English punks loved MC5 , The New York Dolls and The Stooges.
Nobody ever heard of MC5 in London in the 70s. I was a teenager there and well into all his. Neither did it have shit to do with the dolls or Television. You clearly have no idea of the social conditions that spawned the genre nor any of the history behind it.
You do not know what the F you are talking about, but then you are US so thats par for the course for 98% of your countrymen.
4:10 " anarchy is a personal thing " ~ my favorite quote of the video
right now im drinkin cider mixed with vodka
( fuck off )
Lince, lima, Peru.
Los saicos-1963
Link Wray 1958 sorry
Link Wray is good but lots saicos are real punks
@@jimhughon621 they were the 1st to have to ideology of punk rock and vocals repersenting it and that's the pattern all punk rock follows
@a w yeah but Los Saicos was formed during the late 50s they started recording during 1964
@a w yeah but none of the American or UK bands talk about destroying shit and dead people and shit like that in their songs until the 70s.Los Saicos are just the last piece to the puzzle that made up so many great punk rock bands one of their first songs they talked about demolishing a public train station
El Punk empezó en el Perú en los años 60's y los creadores del punk fueron Los Saicos la primera banda punk del mundo. Su musica antisistema su look agresivo y el hazlo tu mismo lo crearon ellos. larga a vida a los Saicos. gaaaaaaaaaaaa Saludos a la beba army y a mi causa la beba sideral y su jerma la Jona . vas a caer chupetin gaaaaaaaaaaa
"Punk became a fashion, like Hippy used to be and it ain't got a thing to do with you or me..."
Punk is Dead - Crass
@@subculture7776 lol some punks were also old hippies and many squatters
lol
I suspect punk's place as a musical role has existed since we started becoming serious about music, I can imagine pumping up for battle with chants and a driving beat. Punk as a specific musical form mainly came from the American garage movement but but the term didn't come until later, if you're looking at that later wave of punk a case might be made for it starting in England.
From what I understand about punk. It doesn’t really matter where it started.
"The Amps they really, really...they work..." Dee Dee Ramone! Lol. They go to 11! He sounded like Spinal Tap!
punk comes from the heart ❤
'Punk' was a fanzine printed in New York and they started reporting on the Ramones in 1974.
Punk existed as a word (for some sort of hoodlum or whatever) in American English before `76 whereas in the UK it did not. Here it still only refers to music. It has never been used in any other context in the UK.
Punk started with me in 76 and first with beatles helter skelter debs xx
Goes right back to The Kinks and all those other English garage rockers in the mid sixties and then bounced back and forth across the Atlantic.
The Who in 1965.
Punk started in Australia..
The punk born in Lima Peru with Los Saicos band, Demolicion (1964)
They do sound like pure punk! Unbelievable
Haha! Just b/c some "Noisey" employee who knows nothing about punk said that, doesn't mean it's true. If ya believe that, I got some magic beans for you too!
they didn´t listen to other 60´s bands that sound similar
@@arip172 They sound like 60's garage rock, not punk.
This video’s interviews from London and New York was from 20 years ago on a culture from the previous 20 years. And wonder what they are all doing now.
New York
- The Velvet Underground
- New York Dolls
- Ramones
Michigan
- MC 5
- The Stooges
Ohio
-The Dead Boys
-The Cramps
-Devo
UK
- Sex Pistols
- The Clash
- The Damned
Clash and sex pistols are the most household names in the world when it comes to punk. Both Britsh.
Most people wouldnt even know what genre ramones are, velvet undground swing between genre and mostly just classed as alternate.
Ny dolls are prob the only commonly known as punk group on your list as 'american'.
@@achach5055 Most famous has NOTHING to do with punk
"Most people,commonly known"..get the fuck
Was it ramones new York just a couple years before the English punk scene kicked off
Pointing to one specific point of origin is an exercise in futility, because punk music emerged in both countries--and elsewhere--around the same time. In the U.S., it emerged from garage and psychedlic rock. In the U.K., it emerged from glam and pub rock. Sonically, punk rock existed at least a decade before 1977, but punk rock scenes emerged organically in both places out of necessity. Punk rock was a response to--at least in part--commercial rock and it's inaccessibility, it's rigidness and it's banality.
Saints from Brisbane, I'm stranded 1976 ... first
a tough debate....im American,but I kinda feel like it totally started in England....just a hunch....I wasnt there and I don't know for sure!!
I was there it started and ended very quickly in the uk
The whold movement was born in NYC and then introduced to the Brits and they ran away with it. AND I WAS THERE IN LONDON TO WITNESS THIS.
Wow Sally Leppard and Claire London!
In Perú, with the "Saicos"
I was just about to post this.
@@Freeze-Dried-Ray-Gun 99% of the world wide rock community doesn't know this.
Great band. Also, if you've never seen A Band Called Death you should. Great documentary.
No.. saicos did not start punk rofl
@@williamregal3325 actually started by a band called Death by african americans that was how all start
Started with the Ramones at CBGB’s. Punk Rock term coined by Hilly Crystal when he first saw them (The Ramones). Weren’t popular in the states but were popular in UK., the rest is history.
London!
wats the song at 27
The punk started in Perú by the Saicos .. check it out !!
In London but MC5 was the first punk band!
I think there's a difference between punk and punk rock. Punk embraces more than just the music. And it started in London.
there is no difference
Are you a Millenial ?
Punk rock is music. Punk rock was an influence on the music scene in North America. In the UK punk was a sea change not just in music but also fashion, art, business and politics
I remember CBGS's and the NY scene back then, the crowds and most of the bands were from out of town. Mostly slumming rich kids who could afford to look too weird to be hired at any job and lots of NY University students. Sort of like the Hipsters that would follow them years later. The US scene was propelled by college radio stations and mostly it was just weekender punks following the latest trend. While the London and UK scene
in comparison was huge and it seems, I say seems as I wasn't there, to be filled by angry unemployed youth
with no jobs to be had even if they did clean up. Great music from both countries, but while NY was doing
an edgy pose , London had the real audience. Los Angeles too, late to the game by a couple of years
had a large punk following but was just a cliché copy of London.
Real street music from NYC and LA came from the South Bronx and South Central. No posers or college kids there.
L.A. had their own style actually.
My bedroom 1974 my Jean's were that old had paint on em and loads of rips
94? That's long enough away from its start that these kids literally wouldn't even have remembered and some not even been born yet.
They are my generation ( i think ) and I was a child in the punk era
People styled like that in the 90s were rare and also seen a bit as '' the fvck '' '' are they still doing this ''
Hardcore: Los Angeles
Attitude-wise, the early Stones. The term 'punk' was coined by an American music journalist in the early 70's to describe American garage music in 1964-1966. Took on a life of its own in London in 1976, kickstarted there by the Ramones. The rest is history...
@ANDON HOWARD Yes, that is correct. Their concert in London at the Roundhouse on July 4th, 1976 was the watershed event that kick-started U.K. punk. It was a pivotal moment for the movers and shakers of the then-nascent punk scene there.
The pistols had already done this at the lesser free trade hall in Manchester..the ramones made a few Brit bands speed up, but to say they kicked started the punk scene in England is absolute codswallop
How bout Los Saicos from Peru in 1965?
But I do have to say that Crass and all the anarcho punks are the best and most legit form of the genre.
Got all their moves/attitude from the Stones.
Punk = No Rules!!! PERIOD...
It started when Brian James heard the MC5.
Your Right! Brian James is A Punk Rock Legend! & Always Will Be!
@@stevehastings5161 Legend in my book and one seriously talented guitarist Damned Damned Damned is arguably one of the greatest debut albums of all time and for me the Damned are the best punk band to come out of the 70s explosion.
The sex pistols manager heard something similar to punk in New York and then formed the sex pistols, dressed them in Vivianne westwood apparel which created the look
Short answer, music from NY and looks from london lmao
Thats the kind of comment you get from someone who has never stepped beyond their own doorstep, never experienced any other culture or social condition other than their own yet still thinks they know everything. In short 98% of the population of the USA.
That Maclaren managed or tried and failed to manage the NY Dolls in `74 has zero to do with a music genre that grew out of filth, poverty and hopelessness in the UK in the 70s. In other words, you know nothing.
We need to say thanks to ramones
Iggy pop just wanted to be mick jagger. Punk was about the English establishment. And the struggle against it. Nothing to do with America.
London. The Clash. The only band that matters.
As someone from neither country, I'd say that punk definitely started in London. The music, the fashion and most importantly; the attitude and ideology.
It was created in New York but flourished in the U.K.
@@venusasablog According to what information?
It depends on what you mean. The music pretty much started in NY, but even that, you have to give credit to what lead to it. Nothing is born in a vacuum.
The first easily classifiable "punk" album was the Ramones debut, which even has a song called "Judy Is A Punk." It's not really debatable that, as a defined musical genre, that's where it's from. (The Clash's "White Riot" was basically just, take the Ramones sound and make it about politics.)
However, even the Ramones sound, a LOT lead up to it. It didn't just come from nowhere. Art doesn't work like that. (Kurt Cobain didn't just "invent" grunge either.) The Ramones owe a debt to the Detroit bands, the glam bands like the NY Dolls, and even all the old garage-rock bands, like The Kingsmen and ? and the Mysterians.
And, weirdly enough, Johnny Ramone, who pretty much did start the "punk" guitar sound that the Clash and the Pistols copied, he was influenced by Led Zeppelin, of all people. He admitted that. "Communication Breakdown," the down-stroke barrage thing.
Influence is a long road. But what really is known as the "punk" sound, clearly, identifiable, no one would ever say it's not punk, that was born with the Ramones debut. It just was. It's not debatable.
But the "punk look" and it being tied to politics, that really got started in London. A lot of people say Malcom McLaren took American Richard Hell's personal dressing style and built a fashion movement out it. McLaren and his girlfriend or wife or whatever she was, Vivienne Westwood, they made a bunch of clothes and got all the London "punks" dressing like that. This is another thing that's really not debatable.
So, to sum up:
The sound, New York.
The style, London.
But both the sound and style have earlier influences. New Yorkers influencing Londoners, Londoners influencing New Yorkers. That's art, that's a "movement." That's how it happens.
The Who were punk in 1965.
Ramones were never punk. Not even close. Never on the same planet.
It started 18th May 1967.
Yes , in Perú by the Saicos
Don't forget Australia with The Saints and Radio Birdman ,
and my Cosmic Psychos...??? 58 years Punk Rocker from Motorcity Stuttgart / Germany I have a tattoo the cover of "nice day go to the pub" but their best song, of many brilliant ones, is "Bullet" and it's music for tough men, separets them from the boys 1991 I spent a night with in Leiden / Holland drunk and intoxicated as hell - good memories and don't remember much of anything from '76 to '95 ☠️💣☠️ have fun
Richard Hell Dictators Ramones Years Before Pistols!
yes...It started in America...MC5, Stooges, New York Dolls...and that was just the very early 70's...then came the Ramones...look it up on youtube...they played punk gigs in 1974...television, Blondie Dead Boys, Talking Heads, Patti Smith...and we haven't even reached 1976 yet.....to me there are only a few truly original British punk bands..Clash, Kilburn and the High Roads, Damned, Buzzcocks, Dr. Feelgood, Eddie and the Hot Rods and the Pistols in no specific order...what they did in 1975/1976 was completely ground breaking...what followed in 1977 was just awfull...any idiot who owned a leather jacket thought forming a band would be a good career move..it quickly became just another fashion..Chelsea and Generation X????.....punk in Britain was completely dead by 1st of January 1977...just hangers on with 3 chords and no talent
@@thomasandersen6719 always the same generic names are bandied about - next comes Krautrock starring Kraftwerk and Neu [and any band Eno deigned worthy of his ears]...
@@thomasandersen6719 put your flag down, there are so many countries on this planet who created music with aggression and tones of anti establishment in their lyrics which would eventually be known as punk. Australian band The Saints formed in 74 for example. Anyway it's been looked into far too much and no denying it sounds different on the two sides of the pond. Punk in Britain dead by Jan 77 ? hangers on with no talent ? and would that be the same three chords that the Ramones played ? Punk is more alive today than it was back then, there is far more punk bands around today than back in the 70's but they are not mainstream and that's the way it should be. Your too busy stuck on the old STARS to give a toss about the new ideas of the punk culture today.
That's my penny spent.
@@thomasandersen6719 Dr Feelgood , Eddie and the Hotrods were known as 'Pub Rock'.The predecessor to punk ...
@@chrismitchell7692 Yes I know
It was Detroit. Stooges, MC5, ? and the Mysterians...................................
Some of those new York punks are my friends jeff ,spike , gumby
Plain and simple theres....
*The Pre-Punk era 1967 - 1974*
The Stooges, MC5 (Detroit)
Modern Lovers, New York Dolls (East Coast)
*The 1st Wave 1975 - 1979*
(New York) The Dictators, Dead Boys, The Heartbreakers, Richard Hell & The Voidoids, Patti Smith, Ramones
(U.K.) The Damned, Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols, The Clash
*The 2nd Wave 1980 - 1989*
(Everywhere) D.O.A., X, Circle Jerks, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Raw Power, The Misfits, The Cramps, Crass, G.B.H.,The Exploited, M.D.C., Descendents, Cro-Mags
....then Punk was done.....just the occasional reunion crap with no original members trying to cash in on current retro trends.
Sorry but for the English "1st Wave" as you've put it you've missed the importance of punk bands trying to think outside the box and coming up with something new - Siouxsie and the Banshees, Penetration, Adam and the Ants all spring to mind.
None of which are or were punk. Punk wasnt your gig. Deal with it. And while your at it get out of your own back yard, buy a plane ticket and experience the rest of the World before you die. You might actually learn something.
I thought that punk at the start was Colin Farrell
1:07
The Sonics The Stooges The Mc5 The New York Dolls Even the Who The Stones and the Kinks all had Punkish songs .. but that first Ramones album is the first punk rock album ..
Where punk started is a simple enough question to answer providing whoever is asking also reveals what they believe the definition of punk to be..its about as ambiguous a term as i can think of.....perhaps a more intrsting question that could have been asked to the punks is what the word punk means to them.
Sorry North American and English pals, Punk was bron in Lima, Perú.
@StevieBlues66 , you are the stupid, because apparently you don´t believe it. Punk was born during the 60´s with Los Saicos, Lima , Perú.
@@josecarlosdiazarmijo Kinks
Except it wasn't. Only a small handful of hipster dorks on the internet believe that.
A band called DEATH, look it up
I think the ramones came out in 74
So in other words, no one's really sure where it even started.
and we don't care
It started in Peru but it didn't become popular there it become popular over time and spread to Spain
Well isn't like all forms of music ? Everyone has a different point of view., of the origins of whatever genre they're into.
@@ulises8419 What ? Your evidence of this is what exactly ?
@@tudormiller8898 is easy. Search for Los Saicos. www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias/2011/12/111223_saicos_precursores_punk_peruano_jgc
Definitely london
sigh...no mention of The Dammned
we.. the people will always outnumber and out power the man. ..
PUNK didn't start. it was a label used by the establishment.