I fucking love the missile meme! Never fails to make me chuckle when a missile missbehaves or hits a target who I thought it wouldn't. "Your missile really knew where it is" was my favorit reply when a F14 was hit by a BVR 24R
It was a smart move to use the Shafrir for the caged seeker example instead of the Aim-9, because that way a new player can remember the difference instead of getting Aim-9b and AIm-9p confused because those sound really similar, despite their vast performance differences
@@TimsVarietyI was wondering what you think about anti radiation missiles I want to see my thunderchief firing shrikes and gaijin still has yet to add them
@finleybodle6360 The AIM-9P is a short-range missile with a good G-Overload The AIM-9B is the first missile most players get and is regarded as one of the worst misses in the game
9:35 fun fact, the Swift F7 can use its radar gun sight to guide the beam missile, when in range the sight will auto-lock the first proper target (be careful with allies in the sight), i.e. the Firestreak will auto-track the target thats in the locked cone.
So - funny you mention that. Its a longer topic, but I have confirmation there are multiple open bug reports regarding the behavior of the Firestreak. Sometimes having the radar range-finder on will count as a "lock" on the missile itself, and send it flying off in a random direction, sometimes it seems to do nothing, and sometimes it behaves as you mentioned and makes aiming almost trivial. Since the in-game functionality doesn't seem to be consistent, and I didn't want to sit on this vid for a month or two while the devs sort it out, I decided to mention the **intended** functionality.
It's worth noting that even air to ground ARMs have occasionally been used as air to air weapons (although the first example that comes to mind was actually an accident/blue on blue incident)
@@jameson1239 pretty sure you can already do that in ground RB. The incident I was thinking of was the time a group of Hornets were flying SEAD for some B-52s, and one of their HARMs decided to go after the radar rangefinder on one of the BUFF's tailguns.
I just recently started playing Warthunder and had just now gotten a jet with missiles. I must say I had not a single clue how to use them, and I hated it like a lot... After watching this im 1000% comfortable using missiles! Thanks this helped a ton!
I had a game in the swift f7 where i got back to back head on kills with the fire flash. Definitely one of the most satisfying yet frustrating weapons to use
I’ve been playing the game for years and have top tier in many factions, yet I always come back to these videos out of pure interest and the fact that I can always learn new information
Absolutely Well thought out guide mate, appreciate the absolute quality you put in these videos. Even as an experienced player is nice having this amount of information easily delivered. Automatic Like as always.
For the 2nd flight phase of a ARH missile i have heard it has been referred as "Pitbull" that is when the missile turns on it's internal radar and hunts down it's prey that way, so it no longer needs the aircraft radar to guide it.
im not sure if you know this tim but you kindof have a legacy starting in the wt community because ive seen alot of people starting yt channels and making content that is even by their own words heavilly inspired by your videos and takes the same kind of format. ive mever seen a smsller channel have as big of an impact as yours. nice job man!
This is perhaps the best most comprehensive tutorial on war thunder I’ve ever watched, i love how he gives live gameplay examples to demonstrate how things would work in a real game
Worth mentioning. You do not need a "fire air to air missile" keybind if you just use the "fire secondary weapons" keybind instead. Helps consolidate controls when you only need a single key to drop bombs, fire rockets, or launch different types of air to air and/or air to ground missiles, just depending on which you have selected at any one time. The controls menu will still warn you that you don't have a firing key bound though, so I just set it to something obscure like Alt + Num7 or something and JUST use the fire secondary weapons key
Slight correction - none of our current all-aspect IR missiles can see a target coming DIRECTLY at you, so you can't use them in fully front-aspect shots like you could a radar guided missile for example. They can see targets at much closer to frontal angles, but not directly nose-on. Also worth mentioning - uncaged seekers allow you to LEAD missiles in the same way you'd lead guns, giving the missile a much shallower curve it has to follow to hit a turning target. Point the missile as far in the direction the enemy is flying as you can before firing Other than that, fantastic guide as always!
I've got 2400 hours in WT and have always been too intimidated by the complexity of jets past 8.0. This video gave me what I needed to give it a go. Turns out I've been missing out on a lot!
3:17 The missile knows where it is It knows this because it know where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't and, arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation; the variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it isn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it, too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
I wish they'd add missile callouts, preferably automatic ones. Like automatic callouts in general would be nice like if a tank spots an enemy it will automatically call out type, heading and rough distance. Same with missiles to warn friendlies. A few games have this now, its pretty much the only interesting feature in bf 2042 which also mentions if an enemy is near a landmark.
MCLOS missiles like the AA-20 Nord are some of the best lower-BR helicopter/drone killers out there. It also is really easy to use something like the G91 to take out a large amount of predator drones, in the event of an uptier, as the base AIM-9B don't track drones well. Harder to use, but MUCH easier to target those specific scenarios. It's also a head-on monster in air RB, for anyone who gets a little greedy on initial contact. You can pretty effectively shoot this 3km+ out if you see someone turn towards you. This specific missile doesn't leave a super big trail either, as it's a slow burning cruiser style missile, making it almost impossible to spot unless you visually see the launch off the aircraft
And Ill leave a comment on this video also. Thanks for the video. It helped me understand why I wasnt getting my missiles to fire and which of my options would be better.
----- Important Note on SACLOS Beam Riding Missiles ----- If you are using an aircraft with beam riding missiles and that aircraft also has a gunsight radar (a thin narrow radar scope on the right of your screen), then make sure to turn off your gunsight radar by using the keybind "Lock Radar/IRST on target" to turn off the radar. Once you do this, your radar scope on the right should disappear and a small green circle will appear indicating the radar gunsight is turned off. The reason for this is due to the fact that any sort of radar lock or radar signal will result in the missile becoming uncontrollable as your own gunsight radar acts as interference for the missile. This can also become a problem in head-ons versus other aircraft with gunsight radars as well since they can also interfere with your radar.
Passive radar homing and anti radiation missiles work on different methods. Passive radar relies on radar reflections of other radar systems to get a lock. The advantages to this is a firing aircraft does not need to illuminate the target with the radar but must use the signals of others. Anti radiation directly locks a radar emitter. Unlike passive radar, it will only lock the emitter effectively, not the reflections
Technically you do not need two binds for ir missles as they have to "spool/warmup" press fire a2a once to spool up then lock and a second time while locked to fire but you will not be able to unlock/change target unless you physically move out of lock circle. Its recommended to have both binds but not necessarily needed
Great video Tim! I was wondering if you could perhaps make a video series covering all the missiles in each respective country (all the different missiles in USA, USSR, GER, etc.) I feel like this would be good since there's some missiles that are pretty different but the stat cards don't make them obvious, and it would be nice to hear your input on each missile individually. I know this would be a pretty long series, but it if you ever run out of ideas for content or just need to put out some videos it could be a decent move. Keep making the great content!
Hey Tim I love your content and has really helped me move into the higher tiers, even as a veteran player. Also, as an Italian, I would just like to let you know that the Aspide is pronounced "As-peed-ay". Just letting you know before someone gets mad about it! Thank you again, and keep up the good work!
The Phoenix missiles go pitbull (it's own radar takes over) at 16km (the lock range is the stat card indicator for this) or less to the target at this point its independent from your datalink you can turn tail and run. That being said if it isn't a furball you can run if it's 20km and it has a good chance to find the target unless it made drastic changes of direction
You would normally only keep the lock at the edge of your radar's gimbal limit so you can defensively crank. Then you would break lock when the active radar missile goes pitbull.
For anyone starting to get the aim-9b in the usa tech tree, my biggest advice for you is to fire them at planes that are out of "energy" as in they just made a big turn and they're flying really really slow. The reason i say that is because the IR tracker in the aim-9b can be lost by simply turning fast enough so if a jet is going under 600km/h ish, they can't just turn away from your missiles.
With MCLOS missiles, it's actually optimal to set up a proper joystick to guide them. Be it a complete HOTAS, or just a PS4 or Xbox controller, this allows the missile to be guided with one hand while you continue to fly with the other. You can also set a missile launch bind to that controller to allow you to fire from that controller, minimizing the time where it flys without guidance while you move your hand. Radio guided bombs, the Fritz-X, also use these binds and can be guided much more accurately this way as keyboard inputs are absolute and are 100% in a direction, or no guidance, a controller allows for finer guidance of the weapon.
It should also be noted that, currently, Active Radar Homing missiles, don't give any radar warning when they enter their terminal phase. Unless your vehicle has the Missile Alert Warning System, MAWS, you will receive only a search ping on RWR systems from the launching plane.
You can avoid friendly fire with Phoenix missiles by hard locking your desired target it usually helps the Phoenix lock that specific and none else. Not fool proof but minimizes risks
Awesome work ! And im happy im not the only one with green lines from the radar all over the screen. You have a new sub. and now on to the radar guide, there is a lot to know to win in this game! Well done again and thanx for upload.
I found it simple for me to bind any secondary weapons to the "SPACE" bar. It works for me with no issues. Give it a shot. And BTW this video is very well done. Kudos!
I do the same thing - I use spacebar as my secondary weapon keybind. It means I have to pay attention to what weapon I have selected, but it makes weapon use under pressure FAR easier.
Not gunna lie, don't need to be here but i love watching your guides. The cadence of speech and how you articulate and explain things makes me very happy, And kinda relaxed?
2:44 Kind of a nitpick and it's not actually incorrect, but for clarification, technically the seekers of uncaged missiles are also on a gimbal. This gimbal is simply locked forward prior to launch, giving it the "cage." After launch, the seeker is free to move anywhere inside of the gimbal limit. For example, almost all of the AIM-9 past the AIM-9E have a 40 degree gimbal limit. This comes as a shock to some, as they all look vastly different before launch. But the AIM-9D (caged), AIM-9J (10 degree cage), and AIM-9H (40 degree cage) all can maneuver at the same 40 degree maximum angle. The only difference between a caged missile like the AIM-9D and an uncaged missile like its upgrade, the AIM-9G, is some software.
Yeah, I didn't want to get into that particular bit of minutia - would have confused the hell out of people and doesn't make much difference in-game. ;-)
@@TimsVariety yeah it doesn't make a difference whatsoever, there's no reason to go into the specific intricacies. And this wasn't at all to take away from how great and informative this video was. Very helpful and useful!
@@collander7766 For a tutorial like this, I had to make a lot ... a lot ... of simplifications to keep it under 1 hour lol. Plus, I wasn't able to get clarification from the snail on a few specific bits of minutia, so I had to leave out a few things I had wanted to include.
I'm mad that I've never stumbled upon your channel sooner! Thank you for the amazing breakdowns of informative knowledge on subjects most others don't cover. Good stuff! o7
one thing i should say is if you slave an IR missile with your radar lock, deactivate the lock after firing the missile. it will stop flashing the RWR of the target, and also prevent a friendly being killed because your radar lock switched to him last second
Missed the fact that SACLOS missiles track on things like gun radar as-well, very useful functional for headons because it allows for turning off target slightly
Rule of thumb most sidewinders have a effective range of 2-4km (5km in later variants or on faster planes) But to be fair I managed 6km shots In a f14 by shooting from up high and at 1.3 mach at a low and slow target target The Russian counterpart the r60 usually max out at 4km for me while the r3 has aim9b capabilities so also 2-4km Sparrows have up to 20km and the f variant up to 30km (my personal range records in public matches) Phoenix up to 50km
QUESTION: At 17:16, what control moves a target lock from one enemy to another without having to remove the lock and reacquire it? I have all the controls for radar, but my radar refuses to do it. I only have a plane with SARH radar at the moment if that makes a difference. I'm on console if it makes a difference
If you mean the ripple fire, I used my keybind for switch target after each shot. It only works in track while scan, and only with ARH mossiles. (or maybe IR if you had 4 people flying in formation right in front of you at close range or something weird)
I am almost certain that the circle on SARH missiles is not lock strengh but a hit calculation depending on range. if you use the rectangular radar you can see the range marks actualy.
Its not, its the strength of the lock - you usually just get a stronger lock at shorter ranges. I mentioned the range indications on the scope in my radar tutorial.
Funfact you can use mavericks as air to air missiles, not reliable against jets but against helicopters way more reliable then any other missiles as they don't get countered by chaff or flares usually
Updated version of this guide:
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TLDR: The missile knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't. Great video Tim, keep it up!
Because it knows where it needs to be
By subtracting where it is, from where it isn't.
@@johnroscoe2406 it uses deviation to drive to missile to where it’s suppose to be
I fucking love the missile meme! Never fails to make me chuckle when a missile missbehaves or hits a target who I thought it wouldn't. "Your missile really knew where it is" was my favorit reply when a F14 was hit by a BVR 24R
What the fuck did you just say about the missile? I'll let you know the missile knows where it is at all time
You know your guide is top tier when the snail 🐌 copies your OG one pretty much point for point. *Slow clap Good Sir
Yeah ...."no comment" .... I half expect they'll publish a missile guide within the next few weeks ...
I didnt see gaijin's guide, may i get a link? i'd like to see myself how copied it is lel
@@colonelkurtz5397 Just search war thunder radar bootcamp
they posted it on their youtube channel
@@harrymack3565 Alright, thanks!
It was a smart move to use the Shafrir for the caged seeker example instead of the Aim-9, because that way a new player can remember the difference instead of getting Aim-9b and AIm-9p confused because those sound really similar, despite their vast performance differences
My thoughts exactly.
@@TimsVarietyI was wondering what you think about anti radiation missiles
I want to see my thunderchief firing shrikes and gaijin still has yet to add them
@@0Ploxx Supposedly there was a 3d model of an ARM in a recent datamine, so ... "soon" maybe? .. we'll see.
What’s the difference?
@finleybodle6360 The AIM-9P is a short-range missile with a good G-Overload
The AIM-9B is the first missile most players get and is regarded as one of the worst misses in the game
Quality content
Thank you so much!
9:35 fun fact, the Swift F7 can use its radar gun sight to guide the beam missile, when in range the sight will auto-lock the first proper target (be careful with allies in the sight), i.e. the Firestreak will auto-track the target thats in the locked cone.
So - funny you mention that.
Its a longer topic, but I have confirmation there are multiple open bug reports regarding the behavior of the Firestreak. Sometimes having the radar range-finder on will count as a "lock" on the missile itself, and send it flying off in a random direction, sometimes it seems to do nothing, and sometimes it behaves as you mentioned and makes aiming almost trivial.
Since the in-game functionality doesn't seem to be consistent, and I didn't want to sit on this vid for a month or two while the devs sort it out, I decided to mention the **intended** functionality.
I've been playing this game for 2 years, and this has got to be the best missle guide I've ever seen! I'll definitely recommend this video to friends!
It's worth noting that even air to ground ARMs have occasionally been used as air to air weapons (although the first example that comes to mind was actually an accident/blue on blue incident)
The F-15 killing a helicopter with a laser guided bomb comes to mind
@@jameson1239 pretty sure you can already do that in ground RB. The incident I was thinking of was the time a group of Hornets were flying SEAD for some B-52s, and one of their HARMs decided to go after the radar rangefinder on one of the BUFF's tailguns.
I just recently started playing Warthunder and had just now gotten a jet with missiles. I must say I had not a single clue how to use them, and I hated it like a lot... After watching this im 1000% comfortable using missiles! Thanks this helped a ton!
I had a game in the swift f7 where i got back to back head on kills with the fire flash. Definitely one of the most satisfying yet frustrating weapons to use
When it works - its awesome.
When it flops ... it flops ...
I’ve been playing the game for years and have top tier in many factions, yet I always come back to these videos out of pure interest and the fact that I can always learn new information
13:40 best part of the entire video, I can't believe I didn't know this
Tim once again you prove your channel to be the GOAT
Absolutely Well thought out guide mate, appreciate the absolute quality you put in these videos.
Even as an experienced player is nice having this amount of information easily delivered.
Automatic Like as always.
I agree
For the 2nd flight phase of a ARH missile i have heard it has been referred as "Pitbull" that is when the missile turns on it's internal radar and hunts down it's prey that way, so it no longer needs the aircraft radar to guide it.
im not sure if you know this tim but you kindof have a legacy starting in the wt community because ive seen alot of people starting yt channels and making content that is even by their own words heavilly inspired by your videos and takes the same kind of format. ive mever seen a smsller channel have as big of an impact as yours. nice job man!
Love to hear it :-)
@@TimsVariety actually seeing you recommended on reddit as an excellent guide maker more often as well. Love to see it
This is perhaps the best most comprehensive tutorial on war thunder I’ve ever watched, i love how he gives live gameplay examples to demonstrate how things would work in a real game
My man even explained to us how the missile knows where it is
Had all the info I needed and more thanks for the great explanation of all the system types
Tim putting in the WORK
8:13 I HEAR THE MUSIC. You have taste, gj
I have loads of time in Wt. really like that someone is putting in the effort instead of the 30 second tiktok clips. Thanks so much man, subbed.
Fantastic video, thank you very much.
I admire your dedication to the WT community
o7
Gotta deliver for my subscribers.
i like your videos, i learning about wt and english with you, thanks from brazil
Worth mentioning. You do not need a "fire air to air missile" keybind if you just use the "fire secondary weapons" keybind instead. Helps consolidate controls when you only need a single key to drop bombs, fire rockets, or launch different types of air to air and/or air to ground missiles, just depending on which you have selected at any one time.
The controls menu will still warn you that you don't have a firing key bound though, so I just set it to something obscure like Alt + Num7 or something and JUST use the fire secondary weapons key
Slight correction - none of our current all-aspect IR missiles can see a target coming DIRECTLY at you, so you can't use them in fully front-aspect shots like you could a radar guided missile for example. They can see targets at much closer to frontal angles, but not directly nose-on.
Also worth mentioning - uncaged seekers allow you to LEAD missiles in the same way you'd lead guns, giving the missile a much shallower curve it has to follow to hit a turning target. Point the missile as far in the direction the enemy is flying as you can before firing
Other than that, fantastic guide as always!
I've got 2400 hours in WT and have always been too intimidated by the complexity of jets past 8.0.
This video gave me what I needed to give it a go.
Turns out I've been missing out on a lot!
3:17
The missile knows where it is
It knows this because it know where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't and, arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation; the variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it isn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it, too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
I wish they'd add missile callouts, preferably automatic ones. Like automatic callouts in general would be nice like if a tank spots an enemy it will automatically call out type, heading and rough distance. Same with missiles to warn friendlies.
A few games have this now, its pretty much the only interesting feature in bf 2042 which also mentions if an enemy is near a landmark.
The fact you managed to hit a MiG-17 with a manual guided missile is insane.
... it took me some time to get footage of a dogfight kill with the nord (as opposed to a head-on unguided shot) .. I'll just leave it at that.
@@TimsVariety Did you have help from a friend to steer the missile while you fly?
Ty for the video Tim I was waiting for this video since last year .
I am so freakin stoked for Weasel gameplay
I have a WT Pairings vid up with the W1A2
It's nearly the end of 2023, but i still Watching this guide to remember all the control key.
Perfect, greatly usefull guide for newbies and veterans, thank you for the great work!
Thanks! I randomly bought the F-5C on a whim and I went into a game having absolutely no idea what was happening. Now I'm getting some kills!
Glad to help! o7
Amazing guide, you really put a lot of effort into these videos.
MCLOS missiles like the AA-20 Nord are some of the best lower-BR helicopter/drone killers out there. It also is really easy to use something like the G91 to take out a large amount of predator drones, in the event of an uptier, as the base AIM-9B don't track drones well. Harder to use, but MUCH easier to target those specific scenarios. It's also a head-on monster in air RB, for anyone who gets a little greedy on initial contact. You can pretty effectively shoot this 3km+ out if you see someone turn towards you. This specific missile doesn't leave a super big trail either, as it's a slow burning cruiser style missile, making it almost impossible to spot unless you visually see the launch off the aircraft
you are absolutely a saint!
lol i keep coming back to these videos after taking long break from gaming
o7
Keep it up! These guides are unbelievably helpful.
Been waiting for this one!
This is by far the best WT tutorials channel, keep up the good work!
i already now almost everything about radars and missiles in WT but i still lvoe your videos and they are very easy to understand :D
And Ill leave a comment on this video also. Thanks for the video. It helped me understand why I wasnt getting my missiles to fire and which of my options would be better.
i will remember this videos for my entire life which helps me alot thanks tim's for the tips !
My man is a legend 👍
Congrats (and my condolences) on your new bot comments, your channel is finally getting the recognition it deserves
----- Important Note on SACLOS Beam Riding Missiles -----
If you are using an aircraft with beam riding missiles and that aircraft also has a gunsight radar (a thin narrow radar scope on the right of your screen), then make sure to turn off your gunsight radar by using the keybind "Lock Radar/IRST on target" to turn off the radar. Once you do this, your radar scope on the right should disappear and a small green circle will appear indicating the radar gunsight is turned off.
The reason for this is due to the fact that any sort of radar lock or radar signal will result in the missile becoming uncontrollable as your own gunsight radar acts as interference for the missile. This can also become a problem in head-ons versus other aircraft with gunsight radars as well since they can also interfere with your radar.
All you need to know is that the missile knows where it is at all times
Thank you.
Great video as always, I've seen the OG before but this is still a treat to watch
Thanks Tim i find this extremely useful i needed someone to walk me thru this
Passive radar homing and anti radiation missiles work on different methods. Passive radar relies on radar reflections of other radar systems to get a lock. The advantages to this is a firing aircraft does not need to illuminate the target with the radar but must use the signals of others.
Anti radiation directly locks a radar emitter. Unlike passive radar, it will only lock the emitter effectively, not the reflections
Technically you do not need two binds for ir missles as they have to "spool/warmup" press fire a2a once to spool up then lock and a second time while locked to fire but you will not be able to unlock/change target unless you physically move out of lock circle.
Its recommended to have both binds but not necessarily needed
Nice video. Tips on how to dodge each type of missile could help too, whether with countermeasures or not.
Great video Tim! I was wondering if you could perhaps make a video series covering all the missiles in each respective country (all the different missiles in USA, USSR, GER, etc.) I feel like this would be good since there's some missiles that are pretty different but the stat cards don't make them obvious, and it would be nice to hear your input on each missile individually. I know this would be a pretty long series, but it if you ever run out of ideas for content or just need to put out some videos it could be a decent move. Keep making the great content!
Hey Tim I love your content and has really helped me move into the higher tiers, even as a veteran player.
Also, as an Italian, I would just like to let you know that the Aspide is pronounced "As-peed-ay".
Just letting you know before someone gets mad about it!
Thank you again, and keep up the good work!
Good tip
The Phoenix missiles go pitbull (it's own radar takes over) at 16km (the lock range is the stat card indicator for this) or less to the target at this point its independent from your datalink you can turn tail and run.
That being said if it isn't a furball you can run if it's 20km and it has a good chance to find the target unless it made drastic changes of direction
You would normally only keep the lock at the edge of your radar's gimbal limit so you can defensively crank. Then you would break lock when the active radar missile goes pitbull.
For anyone starting to get the aim-9b in the usa tech tree, my biggest advice for you is to fire them at planes that are out of "energy" as in they just made a big turn and they're flying really really slow.
The reason i say that is because the IR tracker in the aim-9b can be lost by simply turning fast enough so if a jet is going under 600km/h ish, they can't just turn away from your missiles.
With MCLOS missiles, it's actually optimal to set up a proper joystick to guide them. Be it a complete HOTAS, or just a PS4 or Xbox controller, this allows the missile to be guided with one hand while you continue to fly with the other. You can also set a missile launch bind to that controller to allow you to fire from that controller, minimizing the time where it flys without guidance while you move your hand.
Radio guided bombs, the Fritz-X, also use these binds and can be guided much more accurately this way as keyboard inputs are absolute and are 100% in a direction, or no guidance, a controller allows for finer guidance of the weapon.
It should also be noted that, currently, Active Radar Homing missiles, don't give any radar warning when they enter their terminal phase. Unless your vehicle has the Missile Alert Warning System, MAWS, you will receive only a search ping on RWR systems from the launching plane.
Very very helpful guide!!! Especially for me who played only ground vehicles for more than a year since started
Very helpful even playing this game over the year's.
You can avoid friendly fire with Phoenix missiles by hard locking your desired target it usually helps the Phoenix lock that specific and none else.
Not fool proof but minimizes risks
Thank you again Tims. You do a great job with you videos. Can't wait the Air To Ground one. Especially the keybing.
Take care.
Awesome work ! And im happy im not the only one with green lines from the radar all over the screen. You have a new sub. and now on to the radar guide, there is a lot to know to win in this game! Well done again and thanx for upload.
I found it simple for me to bind any secondary weapons to the "SPACE" bar. It works for me with no issues. Give it a shot. And BTW this video is very well done. Kudos!
I do the same thing - I use spacebar as my secondary weapon keybind. It means I have to pay attention to what weapon I have selected, but it makes weapon use under pressure FAR easier.
@@TimsVariety yes sir!
Not gunna lie, don't need to be here but i love watching your guides. The cadence of speech and how you articulate and explain things makes me very happy, And kinda relaxed?
Thanks man I was really having trouble with my fireflash missiles until now u got my sub 👌
That's some high quality guide over there
2:44 Kind of a nitpick and it's not actually incorrect, but for clarification, technically the seekers of uncaged missiles are also on a gimbal. This gimbal is simply locked forward prior to launch, giving it the "cage." After launch, the seeker is free to move anywhere inside of the gimbal limit. For example, almost all of the AIM-9 past the AIM-9E have a 40 degree gimbal limit. This comes as a shock to some, as they all look vastly different before launch. But the AIM-9D (caged), AIM-9J (10 degree cage), and AIM-9H (40 degree cage) all can maneuver at the same 40 degree maximum angle. The only difference between a caged missile like the AIM-9D and an uncaged missile like its upgrade, the AIM-9G, is some software.
Yeah, I didn't want to get into that particular bit of minutia - would have confused the hell out of people and doesn't make much difference in-game. ;-)
@@TimsVariety yeah it doesn't make a difference whatsoever, there's no reason to go into the specific intricacies. And this wasn't at all to take away from how great and informative this video was. Very helpful and useful!
@@collander7766 For a tutorial like this, I had to make a lot ... a lot ... of simplifications to keep it under 1 hour lol. Plus, I wasn't able to get clarification from the snail on a few specific bits of minutia, so I had to leave out a few things I had wanted to include.
I'm mad that I've never stumbled upon your channel sooner! Thank you for the amazing breakdowns of informative knowledge on subjects most others don't cover. Good stuff! o7
Thanks man, I needed this tutorial you deserve another subscriber!
one thing i should say is if you slave an IR missile with your radar lock, deactivate the lock after firing the missile.
it will stop flashing the RWR of the target, and also prevent a friendly being killed because your radar lock switched to him last second
from 17:04 and on can be best explained by "The missile knows where it is, it knows this because it knows where it isn't."
Missed the fact that SACLOS missiles track on things like gun radar as-well, very useful functional for headons because it allows for turning off target slightly
these guides are rly helpful especially because i just got my first missile carrying plane, tysm tim!
Really good guide. Thank you. Just got my first missile and had no idea how to use it.now I do👍
Been loking foward to this video!
Amazing guide. Didn't know that Phoenix Missiles work this way
Rule of thumb most sidewinders have a effective range of 2-4km (5km in later variants or on faster planes)
But to be fair I managed 6km shots In a f14 by shooting from up high and at 1.3 mach at a low and slow target target
The Russian counterpart the r60 usually max out at 4km for me while the r3 has aim9b capabilities so also 2-4km
Sparrows have up to 20km and the f variant up to 30km (my personal range records in public matches)
Phoenix up to 50km
the reason why I am here is because I was caught off guard by a fireflash missile on a head on, im learning its secrets 😂
The secret ingredients is bugs, so I have heard.
Taketh is as what you may.
QUESTION: At 17:16, what control moves a target lock from one enemy to another without having to remove the lock and reacquire it? I have all the controls for radar, but my radar refuses to do it. I only have a plane with SARH radar at the moment if that makes a difference. I'm on console if it makes a difference
If you mean the ripple fire, I used my keybind for switch target after each shot. It only works in track while scan, and only with ARH mossiles. (or maybe IR if you had 4 people flying in formation right in front of you at close range or something weird)
@@TimsVariety Thank you sir. Really struggling with learning radar, even with tutorials for some reason, so every little trick helps
@@Anti-Villain-Wolf I live to serve. o7
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@@TimsVariety That's one of the videos I've watched multiple times and it still won't click for me all the way lol. I'll watch it again though
heck yeah, I'm loving your content man, great job!
Once again a great tutorial your pretty much the best TH-camr for tutorials thank you
Love your content. Keep it up much love. Been having a great time with missiles
Great video. No bullshit. Just information. Directly subscribed!
I am almost certain that the circle on SARH missiles is not lock strengh but a hit calculation depending on range. if you use the rectangular radar you can see the range marks actualy.
Its not, its the strength of the lock - you usually just get a stronger lock at shorter ranges. I mentioned the range indications on the scope in my radar tutorial.
rocketmotors have chemical energy
just the existence in the air is the potential energy like the "hight" (not the right word ) the missile has
Your time and dedication will pay off, Love the Vids.
Bro thank you I’ve been trying to figure this out for almost a week now. Thanks bro.
Thank you for this. I was totally lost trying to figure this out.
This actually helps a lot thank you very much 👑
Great guide, hits every point I could think of. Great job as usual!
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@@drierwhisper729 no hate just saying
I know
I love how close to reality the whole missile aspect in warthunder actually is.
Tim - these are very useful guides - thank you for taking the time to make them
or just get a phd in quantom physics might be easier, maybe try harvard?
I would add that 20G turn radius is small on a missile traveling at mach 1 then it is on a missile traveling at mach 2.
Me on Test Flight, testing the R-24R ... "Aw man, i think something went wrong, it has been quite a while n-- *Target Destroyed* ... nevermind."
I can't even tell you how many times I fire a second missile only to get "target destroyed" from the first one 2 seconds later ....
Funfact you can use mavericks as air to air missiles, not reliable against jets but against helicopters way more reliable then any other missiles as they don't get countered by chaff or flares usually
Arnt mavericks IR image recognition homing? Would they lock on a plane?
Handy video, well done.
great video!