So basically you want other Warriors specs to be viable in PVP. I know the class has a lot of boon rip but when you look a Necro who can convert all you boons to condi with a single button. Warrior look very tame when it has to press over 5 skills to remove a series of random boons that can be easily replaced.
@@captaincrapface7337 Though i get what you are saying i dont fully agree. Currently Warrior has Berserker covering Condi and Power Dps. And Spell Breaker (my Favorite Warriors Specialization). Covering Every other Role a Warrior can do. You can Bunker, be Dps, Team Fight, 1V1 and even Support. Unfortunate Blade Sworn can only be Broken or Unplayable. Its design makes it very hard to balance for PVP. I personally don't mind having some Specializations be PVP focused. Lets be honest Spell Breaker is Complete Trash in PVE. So let PVP and WVW be its home. Lets be honest most other class can't do half of what Warrior is doing right now.
Asking ANET for anything is a monkey's paw scenario: You may get what you wish for, but it's going to have consequences that make you wish you hadn't asked to begin with (such as obliterating a class by tripping over all the traits that make a viable build, only to remove a core feature and most of those traits no longer work. Or even having traits that are supposed to work but don't -- looking at you, Ranger).
I really want to agree that Full Counter is too powerful until I find another player that also has stow weapon keybound. Players that know how to stow cancel, or bait out, full counter negate it's usefulness. It's also countered by boon corruption, blind and stability. Full Counter is annoying but so is playing around every other professions cooldowns, passive blocks and reset skills. I agree that the rest of warrior needs to be brought up, but I don't want what happened to bladesworn to happen to spellbreaker.
This is an important point. It's able to be played around. Full Counter is at its strongest against players who don't avoid it. I think that means it's actually designed well, as opposed to other classes who become fully uninteractable. The most popular 1v1 in the history of the game is the spellbreaker mirror. Even when spellbreaker, or strength spellbreaker isn't a relevant build, people have spammed that 1v1 in duel servers for fun. I think that tells you how much people love the design, movement, and interactivity of the build. However, this is also what makes spellbreaker seem overpowered and unfair to those who can't play around it. This is actually true of almost every warrior build though, including core. The nature of relying on high impact, easily dodgeable skills, is that you will do exponentially better against people who don't dodge them.
There is a big difference between when someone hits full counter and when someone waits it out, I agree, however at the current cd even if weapon stowed its basically an 1.5s evade on a 8.75s cd while still being able to contest a point (not that I think it would be that noticeable should cd be reasonable), that's weaker, but not worthless.
-buff strength. -Defiant Stance having less CD but also less duration (like herald's heal). -1.5 daze duration FC to > 1s. -Bugfixed FC duration. -Resistance on dodge has to go from Defense, they should be punisheable by blinds and weakness, make them sacrifice somenthing if they want resistance, and just nuke that trait or move it to Strength since it's the dodge traitline.
I hate that Spellbreaker was made specifically for PvP. I wish they'd shift it more towards PvE instead, allowing Warrior's other Elite Specs to get some sunshine.
Stalwart Strength is a huge issue on SB. It's a "win more" trait where landing a cc on an enemy makes you immune to it yourself (stab stack). SB can use and abuse this scenario due to massive boon rip ensuring enemy has no good defense vs his cc, making it swim in free stab. Magebane tether (the dps grandmaster) only pushes this further, preventing enemy escape from this deathtrap. Zerker on other hand has to sacrifice his stab & stunbreak (Eternal Champion) if he wants to get dps (Bloody Roar). On top of that he has no good boonrip, so any cc faceoff with an enemy that also has cc and stab isn't a guarateed win. It may very well be you who'll end up face into the dirt and getting pounded for free...
Asking for nerfs can end up pretty horribly, even though it is reasonable. Anet might just nerf Full Counter CD, its daze duration, staff F1 damage, sword Rip damage and call it a day.
This class whole purpose is to sell PoF expansion to PvP warrior main. It does not have different playstyle like Berserker or Bladesworn. It's just core warrior PREMIUM. Nothing more, not thing less.
Before they ever think of nerfing Spellbreaker, they need to buff core Warrior first. If they were to nerf Spellbreaker first, they'd leave it at that and forget to buff core Warrior.
Thanks for critically analysing the spec. I agree that the spec is propping up warrior, and that is fundamentally wrong (even though Im trying to build an off meta SB to try). I usually main soulbeast/druid in wvw and the only specs that usually give me issues are catalysts, daredevil, spellbreaker and harbinger, so pvp is not the only game mode it performs very strong in.
What i get from it all, change core warrior burst to consume 1 bar at a time, but can have a bonus if 3 bars have been filled, relocate +% damage to other part of profession, link boon strip to weapon so all of warrior have access to some of it, review utility skills and take away some of the janky stuff in every kit.
12:20 100% Agree. -- I liked the video, reminded me of my "Please delete [Unshakable Mountian] post. But I actually think that they should just buff the other 2 at this point. And by buff' i mean rework'. I doubt they have the dev budget / want to do this. If theyre not going to do things like: Giving Warrior real movement skills. Spellbreaker needs to be bullshit because every other color spec is. Warrior os nuts because the thigs on it that are nuts are REALLY NUTS and its jank because the jank things are REALLY JANK. But take it from a Bladesworn main, nefring your specialization doesn't mean they're hoing to buff other Specs that share your color. At least not in the same year. They should start with fixing the double Full Counter reduction tho. 😂
To be completely honest. And I'm in love with Berserker. GW2 tries really hard with visual aspect of this class, but numbers just don't stack up. I'm speaking from relatively new player perspective. However one thing is very obvious. Warrior require three trait lines to properly function. One for burst Second for damage Third for survivability Both Bladesworn and Spellbreaker provide the third from their kit. That being movement or counters respectively. Berserker however offer none of those. Most of his traits are conditional effects related to skills. And that's why he needs to run both Signets of Power and Ferocity. To suplement pack of them. Dude either choose full damage or a small cc menace with hammer/mace. But this makes him really awkward to play, because (from PvE perspective) you have 3 skills which you use when not bursting. And this gets boring really quickly. You either stay at someone's ass the entire time and out damage it - which will never happen -, or die running. When you thing of Berserk you think about unstoppable mountain of muscle and heavy armor constantly trying to rip you head off. And what weapon can do it? Hammer at best however this skill have 600 base damage... What? Why?! And it's on 5 seconds cooldown. You need to sacrifice your entire trait line for nothing and you still get... Nothing! It's a real shame. Berk need both rework of traits and given appropriate survivability. Headbutting stun you for one second and this can mean life or death on any endgame activity. You're having this mountain of a warrior, a literal master of war. And what did he get? A torch... You're literally lighting a way to nothingness
You may wanna try one of tease: Ranged Burst Berserker: th-cam.com/video/l941QvpYQqQ/w-d-xo.html Mele Bruiser Berserker" th-cam.com/video/qQmrw2Bs8pY/w-d-xo.html
@@captaincrapface7337 Spellbreaker was always like this, and noone cared... it's a fair spec. the only reason that it became meta is the survivability of the staff. Survivability was always a big problem with warriors in pvp.. and GS is VERY outdated and VERY 2012 like. So staff solved all the problems that warrior had and give him an ACTUAL duelist spec that wouldn't die in 1 milisec in a duel when the enemy thief/ranger +1 the opponent. The things u mentioned about spellbreaker are MID at best. Have u see other classes? lol Check necro, Guardian or ranger for example... always relevant in pvp. Warrior has been shit for years and became viable thanks to the staff ( condi mace zerker is an exception that came online with a bunch of zerker reworks and the addition of akeem relic). Noone gave a shit about things like full counter that every good duelist can avoid or mage teather... every serious build spams like 10 stability per second or some shit anyway. it's the survivability and the mobility of the staff that made warrior relevant, NONE of the spellbreaker major or minor traits.. period. Remove the staff and u all have is the good old meme warrior.
If Anet knew how to balance we would not have the cele condi meta. Who's bright idea was it to buff cele? Broken spellbreaker is only as bad as perma invis thief with very little reveal. The game as a whole has way to much cc.
Probably unrelated to the video, but as a Warrior main I feel like Warrior has basically nothing interesting in its kit across all customizations. The only thing that is somewhat interesting is Spellbreaker with like 2 weapon sets and that's it. I'm not talking strictly about PvP, I'm talking about the whole game - as you said, there might as well be no Warrior as a class, just Spellbreaker. I have made a lot of alts in the past few years and it was mindblowing for me how interesting all of them are comparing to a Warrior that basically has 1 proper build. And unfortunately, with Janthir Wilds coming, you hear nobody talk about Warrior's spear and it just makes me sad. Everybody is excited about basically any other class other than Warrior, I have yet to find a video that talks about Warrior's new features as they do about Mesmer's, Elementalist's or any other class really. Probably a scrubby opinion, I'm a newbie at the game, I'm just envious about other classes, it feels like Warrior gets no attention from anybody including anet.
it gets attention from me, and rest of our small ragtag community, though we're begrudgingly accepting the fact that Warr will probably remain a trashcan for quite a while. If you wanna join, link to discord in the video description.
Thats cus spellbreaker has the only mechanic that is actually quite good in a pvp scenario... lol And even that comes with a trade off. ( using only level 1 bursts).
@@akhsdenlew1861 tradeoff which i went to lengths about how its not even a tradeoff anymore. And even before burst traits were vhanged ti give you more for lvl1 burst, the benefits were still outweighing the supposed tradrof by a large margin.
@@captaincrapface7337 i mean ofc the benefits outweigh the trade offs.. it's still an elite spec, it should make you better not worse. Bladesworn on the other hand makes you worse.. which is laughable. However, the trade off, even though minimal to what u gain from the spellbreaker trait, STILL exists... while it doesn't on other classes and their elite specs. For example u can't get easy x3 condis with your defence condi cleanse trait by using lvl 3 bursts... u only get 1 condi cleanse instead. Which is something that makes huge difference in WvW roaming since celestial is such a big thing there... The trade off exists, but it's okay cus u gain a lot more instead and that's THE definition of a healthy elite spec. While bladesworn on the other hand is THE definition of an unhealthy spec. And even berserker took a bunch of reworks to make it somewhat viable.
the 3 adrenaline bars never worked. you always wanted to use 3 bars for damage and having to waste adrenaline for a lesser version was always a punishment, not an option. that was made clear with how all warrior elites work, none of them use a multi level adrenaline mechanic and its clear why... its not fun and more ofthen than not its a punishment for the class rather than an engaging mechainc. I think it could easly be scrapped and no one will miss it. I think they should rework core (and serker) so it can only use lvl 1 bursts and can only hold up to 20 adrenaline. That way combat for core will be a lot more fluid, less punishing if they struggle to get adrenaline and it will make it so berserker has an easier time getting to rage, it also makes it less punishing to use burst outside of rage
ANet be like: we want to balance the game but we don't wanna make specs unfun, and then proceeds to nerf the only fun parts of bladesworn, making a lot of unpopular changes and not even addressing the real issues that made bladesworn so unfun to face from the enemies pov, it still has a stupid interaction with aegis spam + shield trait and the selfheal sustain is still crazy, but it has really low pressure now, removed the CC from DT, GS3 cast is way slower and WAY less damage, DT2 delay, the DT2 random selfroot bug is still a thing, still can't stow or cancel animations on gunsaber unless you press the ESC key (that's just terrible) And it's always the same story, spellbreaker always ends up being way better and the other specs gets either unpopular changes or just too few/nothing.
Yes welcome to the dark side. Spellbreaker can be ok at everything but great at nothing. I'm happy about this video because I'm tired of zerk fanboys videos. Now instead of nerfs put boon removal on banners and make it relevant again
It's good in Pve but lacks burst. For normal groups it's good but on try hard groups fazes are too short for it to compete. Beserker can, though not as well. As for buld look on Snowcrows website for the meta build.
I am sorry, in 1v1, as pew pew thiefy boi, i afraid more of condi barseker staff/sword,turch then any spellbreaker (in WvW). even bladesworn harder nut to crack then spallbreaker (in WvW). BUTT! it's true thet low skill spellbreakers live longer and preform better then any other warroir's specks (in WvW). o7 hope my Exp helps, love your vids (in RL).
Warrior has aesthetics but lacks identity in alot of content. Spb being a topdog bunker is one of very few strengths. Warriors doesnt get a spot as dps nor a roamer in pvp because its kit simply doesnt compare to what the competition brings. Not even close. For pve its a great all arounder but wont ever pressure the top dogs in dps or support. Decent cc though with spb and some niche fights where bladesworn shines for a few moments. Wvw zergs is a mess but atleast it has a "top spot" there.
Seems like Cal kinda got a hang of this balance thingy. Seems fine to me 🤡. You should try Sword Axe Staff SPB with Heretic. I havent played in like 3 weeks and I feel so much more relaxed not dreaming about my teammate hitting Defiant Stance SPB to make him full hp once more. Or how I missclick and hit fc just to get dazed and killed.
So the hilarious thing is, spellbreaker is the most powerful when it comes to conquest but is still not the most powerful within warrior itself. That goes to Berserker which if built correctly and played while halfway awake, can become an unkillable god with tremendous damage as opposed to spellbreaker which is killable even played at its best by two players with good dps builds. Even core warrior eclipses spellbreaker in this regard. So if spellbreaker gets nerfed, new problems arrise out of warrior even without any buffs to the core warrior chasis. And it is often the case that the bugs plaguing warrior are as detriment to their opponents as they are to themselves. 😂
I'm guessing you're talking about Akeem-Mace-Condi Berserker, also known as putrid asenine horseshit that shouldn't be in the game in the first place. As someone who played that *thing* i can attest you it is not the strongest or the most optimal build warrior has, it is just the most horribly unfun to be around, and I have advocaded for its removeal from the day it was itroduced. Furthermore, as much as I'm not God's gift to PvP, i have seen and participated, in situations where an Spb entered a 1 v 3 fight, and got out of there intact, with health still above half. To say core warr eclipses Spb in durability, is a far fetched statement, I am yet to see any evidence of core being even close to accomplishing that feat.
@@captaincrapface7337 Condi berserker is very strong and unfun to olay against but it is defeatable in a 1v1 scenario. What I'm referring to are a power berserker and a power core warrior build each utilizing vampirism to sustain off of damage. One such warrior on NA even named his account and character name something to the effect of unkillable and immortal along with the immovable object title and routinely likes to gather up players and beat them to death while they struggle to even get past his barrier upkeep. That aside, warrior's durability is an issue in itself as it does need to be very durable in order to survive team fights but it is too durable in smaller scale arrangements and is often unkillable if it decides to focus solely on survival. A big issue towards that is the defense traitline which tends it towards becoming a better guardian than guardian and dipping into mesmer territory of ignoring most effects in the game to deter it. God forbid you play a condition based class and rely on conditions for your own survival such as weakness, cripple, slow, and chill. At the same time without such defenses, it would be even more prey to the real apex predator, daredevil.
@@TheDetectiveJ this really stinks to me, barrier upkeep on warrior implies a stance build, which sure would make him tanky, but nowhere near to this extent. I'need more context to pass my judgement, though theres a high chance its a gimmick meme build, and not something genuenly viable. Furthermoe, when you say "better guardian than guardian" or "dipping into mesmer territory by ignoring most effects in the game" I'm half expecting you to complain about warrior's stealth uptime as well, becouse it wouldn't be more farfetched complaint than thease statements. I'm having a little trouble gaugeing how hyperbolic you are trying to be in your comment, and where you are dead serious, as most of what you wrote sounds like an elaborate troll... Good for you of it is, at least you're having fun.
@@captaincrapface7337 By better guardian I mean better utilization of blocks and aegis why still being capable of outputting more support or more sustained damage at the same time. It is essentially a meme build as far as it does not outperform spellbreaker as a sidenoder and does not outperform willbender or vindicator as teamfights but that places it in the same meme category as condi berserker and virtuoso. Stupidly strong and broken but no place in conquest. We have lots of such builds utilized in NA by, more often, highly toxic players who spend their days figuring out such strategies. Though the favorite class for such strategies is thief. Thief is in the same boat of having a large variety of highly toxic and stupidly broken builds that don't have a place in conquest either because something better or easier to play already fulfills the role, it needs to go against the point of conquest in order to perform effectively, or arenanet made it so it is unviable in conquest such as distortion spam builds. Beyond that some of us like to focus on broken builds that are good for conquest that may or may not be particularly strong in duels where most players point out obvious imbalances while ignoring more important points such as speed, support, scaling effectiveness to player count, and effect over a small static area (node control)
I've been paying more attention to it now and I completely agree with you. There's currently no other class, that annoys me more in PvP. Especially when it's getting support. Nice video.
I like how your highlight video in the video while you are whining about it being OP features you running away after losing a duel and failing to keep up with the pace of boon application on foes despite using meta build. In my experience this Spellbreaker build is primarily used for baiting and kiting and can usually be safely ignored because it doesn't do anything, especially considering that staff is a SUPPORT weapon, yet I always see these breakers kiting off node and generally just trolling, since the staff does no damage, or sidenoding infinitely, since they can't kill anything. It's primarily picked because Spellbreaker has zero sustain built into the traitline, and because it provides excellent mobility for kite meta. Also funny watching you die easily on mid when you decide to go for a node. Also barely seeing you maintain 2 stacks of attackers insight. It is a joke by comparison to maintain at least 10 stacks of might with a build that makes slight effort, with easy bursts up to 25. Strength alone makes each stack 40 power. Anyway, enjoy your nerfs, metabuilders. Staff is carrying Spb.
@@captaincrapface7337 I see reading comprehension is a problem. They did a targeted nerf, correctly, on staff. SpB spec isn't the problem. It was being hard carried by staff.
@@tedhodge4830 ah yes its not, the best boon removeal, its not the literally broken F2, its not the traits like [Magebane Tether] giving both damage and utility, its not the ONLY trait in warrior toolkit that gives precision, its not the busted synergies with Defens3 and Discipline, its staff that carried both Hammer Spb and GS Spb. Come back once you figure out that there's such thing as "multiple build options". It'll help with the "comprehention" problem you speak off.
@@captaincrapface7337 I am astonished that a GM trait would give both utility and damage. Wait, damage? In the form of a handful of might stacks which are actually inferior to the might granted by Soldier's Focus? Truthfully, the primary annoyance of Magebane is the pull, not the might, but the pull is easily countered by staying within the tether radius. But usually the Spellbreaker is running away and kiting, in which case I just eat the knockdown and move on to next target. There is no such GM trait in the game (certainly not the one you mentioned in D3) that provides comparable utility and value. As someone else mentioned, the boon removal on SpB is actually not nearly as good as the boon corruption on Necro. I don't play Spellbreaker, I play Core. Largely because most of the tree is useless traits. It lives and dies based on Full Counter, to be honest.
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JANET hears you, we will nerf bladesworn accordingly.
Don't forgett to nerf ele again...
We should get rid of scrapper, holo and mech they are too good defensively.
So basically you want other Warriors specs to be viable in PVP. I know the class has a lot of boon rip but when you look a Necro who can convert all you boons to condi with a single button. Warrior look very tame when it has to press over 5 skills to remove a series of random boons that can be easily replaced.
specifically i want more options to be viable, that includes more Spb builds as well.
@@captaincrapface7337 Though i get what you are saying i dont fully agree. Currently Warrior has Berserker covering Condi and Power Dps. And Spell Breaker (my Favorite Warriors Specialization). Covering Every other Role a Warrior can do. You can Bunker, be Dps, Team Fight, 1V1 and even Support. Unfortunate Blade Sworn can only be Broken or Unplayable. Its design makes it very hard to balance for PVP. I personally don't mind having some Specializations be PVP focused. Lets be honest Spell Breaker is Complete Trash in PVE. So let PVP and WVW be its home. Lets be honest most other class can't do half of what Warrior is doing right now.
Asking ANET for anything is a monkey's paw scenario: You may get what you wish for, but it's going to have consequences that make you wish you hadn't asked to begin with (such as obliterating a class by tripping over all the traits that make a viable build, only to remove a core feature and most of those traits no longer work. Or even having traits that are supposed to work but don't -- looking at you, Ranger).
Pls don't ask for nerfs, knowing Anet they will trickle over into other gamemodes for no reason.
I really want to agree that Full Counter is too powerful until I find another player that also has stow weapon keybound. Players that know how to stow cancel, or bait out, full counter negate it's usefulness. It's also countered by boon corruption, blind and stability. Full Counter is annoying but so is playing around every other professions cooldowns, passive blocks and reset skills. I agree that the rest of warrior needs to be brought up, but I don't want what happened to bladesworn to happen to spellbreaker.
This is an important point. It's able to be played around. Full Counter is at its strongest against players who don't avoid it. I think that means it's actually designed well, as opposed to other classes who become fully uninteractable. The most popular 1v1 in the history of the game is the spellbreaker mirror. Even when spellbreaker, or strength spellbreaker isn't a relevant build, people have spammed that 1v1 in duel servers for fun. I think that tells you how much people love the design, movement, and interactivity of the build. However, this is also what makes spellbreaker seem overpowered and unfair to those who can't play around it. This is actually true of almost every warrior build though, including core. The nature of relying on high impact, easily dodgeable skills, is that you will do exponentially better against people who don't dodge them.
There is a big difference between when someone hits full counter and when someone waits it out, I agree, however at the current cd even if weapon stowed its basically an 1.5s evade on a 8.75s cd while still being able to contest a point (not that I think it would be that noticeable should cd be reasonable), that's weaker, but not worthless.
@@D942100 If you want to be more aggressive, you can hit it and dodge. The most relevant traits only apply if they hit you with the counter.
ANET: Instruction unclear we nerfed spellbreaker but didn't buff anything else.
-buff strength.
-Defiant Stance having less CD but also less duration (like herald's heal).
-1.5 daze duration FC to > 1s.
-Bugfixed FC duration.
-Resistance on dodge has to go from Defense, they should be punisheable by blinds and weakness, make them sacrifice somenthing if they want resistance, and just nuke that trait or move it to Strength since it's the dodge traitline.
I hate that Spellbreaker was made specifically for PvP. I wish they'd shift it more towards PvE instead, allowing Warrior's other Elite Specs to get some sunshine.
Stalwart Strength is a huge issue on SB.
It's a "win more" trait where landing a cc on an enemy makes you immune to it yourself (stab stack).
SB can use and abuse this scenario due to massive boon rip ensuring enemy has no good defense vs his cc, making it swim in free stab.
Magebane tether (the dps grandmaster) only pushes this further, preventing enemy escape from this deathtrap.
Zerker on other hand has to sacrifice his stab & stunbreak (Eternal Champion) if he wants to get dps (Bloody Roar).
On top of that he has no good boonrip, so any cc faceoff with an enemy that also has cc and stab isn't a guarateed win.
It may very well be you who'll end up face into the dirt and getting pounded for free...
Asking for nerfs can end up pretty horribly, even though it is reasonable. Anet might just nerf Full Counter CD, its daze duration, staff F1 damage, sword Rip damage and call it a day.
This class whole purpose is to sell PoF expansion to PvP warrior main. It does not have different playstyle like Berserker or Bladesworn. It's just core warrior PREMIUM. Nothing more, not thing less.
They broke Spellbreaker in WvW though. Scourge strips way more boons there. I miss my SB. :(
Before they ever think of nerfing Spellbreaker, they need to buff core Warrior first.
If they were to nerf Spellbreaker first, they'd leave it at that and forget to buff core Warrior.
Meanwhile Bladesworn gets nerfed again.
Thanks for critically analysing the spec. I agree that the spec is propping up warrior, and that is fundamentally wrong (even though Im trying to build an off meta SB to try).
I usually main soulbeast/druid in wvw and the only specs that usually give me issues are catalysts, daredevil, spellbreaker and harbinger, so pvp is not the only game mode it performs very strong in.
What i get from it all, change core warrior burst to consume 1 bar at a time, but can have a bonus if 3 bars have been filled, relocate +% damage to other part of profession, link boon strip to weapon so all of warrior have access to some of it, review utility skills and take away some of the janky stuff in every kit.
I come to this channel to laugh at your horrible warrior takes and this video did not disappoint.
Stay tuned, for even more absolutely asenine takes, fresh out of ass :)))
Brother I already realized I made a mistake swapping back to zerker mid End of Dragons, yoh don't have to rub it in. :I
12:20 100% Agree. -- I liked the video, reminded me of my "Please delete [Unshakable Mountian] post. But I actually think that they should just buff the other 2 at this point. And by buff' i mean rework'. I doubt they have the dev budget / want to do this. If theyre not going to do things like: Giving Warrior real movement skills. Spellbreaker needs to be bullshit because every other color spec is.
Warrior os nuts because the thigs on it that are nuts are REALLY NUTS and its jank because the jank things are REALLY JANK. But take it from a Bladesworn main, nefring your specialization doesn't mean they're hoing to buff other Specs that share your color. At least not in the same year. They should start with fixing the double Full Counter reduction tho. 😂
To be completely honest. And I'm in love with Berserker. GW2 tries really hard with visual aspect of this class, but numbers just don't stack up.
I'm speaking from relatively new player perspective. However one thing is very obvious. Warrior require three trait lines to properly function.
One for burst
Second for damage
Third for survivability
Both Bladesworn and Spellbreaker provide the third from their kit. That being movement or counters respectively.
Berserker however offer none of those. Most of his traits are conditional effects related to skills. And that's why he needs to run both Signets of Power and Ferocity. To suplement pack of them. Dude either choose full damage or a small cc menace with hammer/mace.
But this makes him really awkward to play, because (from PvE perspective) you have 3 skills which you use when not bursting. And this gets boring really quickly. You either stay at someone's ass the entire time and out damage it - which will never happen -, or die running.
When you thing of Berserk you think about unstoppable mountain of muscle and heavy armor constantly trying to rip you head off. And what weapon can do it? Hammer at best however this skill have 600 base damage... What? Why?! And it's on 5 seconds cooldown.
You need to sacrifice your entire trait line for nothing and you still get... Nothing!
It's a real shame. Berk need both rework of traits and given appropriate survivability. Headbutting stun you for one second and this can mean life or death on any endgame activity.
You're having this mountain of a warrior, a literal master of war. And what did he get? A torch... You're literally lighting a way to nothingness
You may wanna try one of tease:
Ranged Burst Berserker:
th-cam.com/video/l941QvpYQqQ/w-d-xo.html
Mele Bruiser Berserker"
th-cam.com/video/qQmrw2Bs8pY/w-d-xo.html
Hope Arena Net will nerf Gaurdian soon, Spellbreaker is op
i'd rather have more boonstrips than boon coruption tbh
Spellbreaker has always been OP, nerf it into oblivion
wrong answer.
If we JUST nerf Spb only remaining meta/viable build for warrior will be mace-condi-zerker, which is even worse to play against. .
@@captaincrapface7337 Spellbreaker was always like this, and noone cared... it's a fair spec.
the only reason that it became meta is the survivability of the staff.
Survivability was always a big problem with warriors in pvp.. and GS is VERY outdated and VERY 2012 like.
So staff solved all the problems that warrior had and give him an ACTUAL duelist spec that wouldn't die in 1 milisec in a duel when the enemy thief/ranger +1 the opponent.
The things u mentioned about spellbreaker are MID at best.
Have u see other classes? lol
Check necro, Guardian or ranger for example... always relevant in pvp.
Warrior has been shit for years and became viable thanks to the staff ( condi mace zerker is an exception that came online with a bunch of zerker reworks and the addition of akeem relic).
Noone gave a shit about things like full counter that every good duelist can avoid or mage teather... every serious build spams like 10 stability per second or some shit anyway.
it's the survivability and the mobility of the staff that made warrior relevant, NONE of the spellbreaker major or minor traits.. period.
Remove the staff and u all have is the good old meme warrior.
They fear our potential, hence why really
Only in PVP.
great commentary Cpt Crapface !
If Anet knew how to balance we would not have the cele condi meta. Who's bright idea was it to buff cele? Broken spellbreaker is only as bad as perma invis thief with very little reveal. The game as a whole has way to much cc.
Probably unrelated to the video, but as a Warrior main I feel like Warrior has basically nothing interesting in its kit across all customizations. The only thing that is somewhat interesting is Spellbreaker with like 2 weapon sets and that's it. I'm not talking strictly about PvP, I'm talking about the whole game - as you said, there might as well be no Warrior as a class, just Spellbreaker.
I have made a lot of alts in the past few years and it was mindblowing for me how interesting all of them are comparing to a Warrior that basically has 1 proper build. And unfortunately, with Janthir Wilds coming, you hear nobody talk about Warrior's spear and it just makes me sad. Everybody is excited about basically any other class other than Warrior, I have yet to find a video that talks about Warrior's new features as they do about Mesmer's, Elementalist's or any other class really.
Probably a scrubby opinion, I'm a newbie at the game, I'm just envious about other classes, it feels like Warrior gets no attention from anybody including anet.
it gets attention from me, and rest of our small ragtag community, though we're begrudgingly accepting the fact that Warr will probably remain a trashcan for quite a while.
If you wanna join, link to discord in the video description.
Thats cus spellbreaker has the only mechanic that is actually quite good in a pvp scenario... lol
And even that comes with a trade off. ( using only level 1 bursts).
@@akhsdenlew1861 tradeoff which i went to lengths about how its not even a tradeoff anymore.
And even before burst traits were vhanged ti give you more for lvl1 burst, the benefits were still outweighing the supposed tradrof by a large margin.
@@captaincrapface7337 i mean ofc the benefits outweigh the trade offs.. it's still an elite spec, it should make you better not worse.
Bladesworn on the other hand makes you worse.. which is laughable.
However, the trade off, even though minimal to what u gain from the spellbreaker trait, STILL exists... while it doesn't on other classes and their elite specs.
For example u can't get easy x3 condis with your defence condi cleanse trait by using lvl 3 bursts... u only get 1 condi cleanse instead.
Which is something that makes huge difference in WvW roaming since celestial is such a big thing there...
The trade off exists, but it's okay cus u gain a lot more instead and that's THE definition of a healthy elite spec.
While bladesworn on the other hand is THE definition of an unhealthy spec.
And even berserker took a bunch of reworks to make it somewhat viable.
bladesworn was good on release, and it just became a self reflect bot with little to no damage. lol
the 3 adrenaline bars never worked. you always wanted to use 3 bars for damage and having to waste adrenaline for a lesser version was always a punishment, not an option. that was made clear with how all warrior elites work, none of them use a multi level adrenaline mechanic and its clear why... its not fun and more ofthen than not its a punishment for the class rather than an engaging mechainc. I think it could easly be scrapped and no one will miss it.
I think they should rework core (and serker) so it can only use lvl 1 bursts and can only hold up to 20 adrenaline. That way combat for core will be a lot more fluid, less punishing if they struggle to get adrenaline and it will make it so berserker has an easier time getting to rage, it also makes it less punishing to use burst outside of rage
ANet be like: we want to balance the game but we don't wanna make specs unfun, and then proceeds to nerf the only fun parts of bladesworn, making a lot of unpopular changes and not even addressing the real issues that made bladesworn so unfun to face from the enemies pov, it still has a stupid interaction with aegis spam + shield trait and the selfheal sustain is still crazy, but it has really low pressure now, removed the CC from DT, GS3 cast is way slower and WAY less damage, DT2 delay, the DT2 random selfroot bug is still a thing, still can't stow or cancel animations on gunsaber unless you press the ESC key (that's just terrible)
And it's always the same story, spellbreaker always ends up being way better and the other specs gets either unpopular changes or just too few/nothing.
Yes welcome to the dark side. Spellbreaker can be ok at everything but great at nothing. I'm happy about this video because I'm tired of zerk fanboys videos. Now instead of nerfs put boon removal on banners and make it relevant again
YES! Please do :D
I have 2 questions. Is spellbreaker good for pve and do u have particular build for spellbreaker?
It's good in Pve but lacks burst. For normal groups it's good but on try hard groups fazes are too short for it to compete. Beserker can, though not as well. As for buld look on Snowcrows website for the meta build.
I am sorry, in 1v1, as pew pew thiefy boi, i afraid more of condi barseker staff/sword,turch then any spellbreaker (in WvW). even bladesworn harder nut to crack then spallbreaker (in WvW). BUTT! it's true thet low skill spellbreakers live longer and preform better then any other warroir's specks (in WvW). o7 hope my Exp helps, love your vids (in RL).
Thief is a very decent Counter to a full meele spellbreaker in WvW from what i recall.
Warrior has aesthetics but lacks identity in alot of content. Spb being a topdog bunker is one of very few strengths.
Warriors doesnt get a spot as dps nor a roamer in pvp because its kit simply doesnt compare to what the competition brings. Not even close.
For pve its a great all arounder but wont ever pressure the top dogs in dps or support. Decent cc though with spb and some niche fights where bladesworn shines for a few moments.
Wvw zergs is a mess but atleast it has a "top spot" there.
Seems like Cal kinda got a hang of this balance thingy. Seems fine to me 🤡. You should try Sword Axe Staff SPB with Heretic. I havent played in like 3 weeks and I feel so much more relaxed not dreaming about my teammate hitting Defiant Stance SPB to make him full hp once more. Or how I missclick and hit fc just to get dazed and killed.
I dont understand how sb are op. Everytime i try to play sb, i get owned. Someone want to teach me how to play?
I stub my toe using full counter once
So the hilarious thing is, spellbreaker is the most powerful when it comes to conquest but is still not the most powerful within warrior itself. That goes to Berserker which if built correctly and played while halfway awake, can become an unkillable god with tremendous damage as opposed to spellbreaker which is killable even played at its best by two players with good dps builds. Even core warrior eclipses spellbreaker in this regard. So if spellbreaker gets nerfed, new problems arrise out of warrior even without any buffs to the core warrior chasis.
And it is often the case that the bugs plaguing warrior are as detriment to their opponents as they are to themselves. 😂
I'm guessing you're talking about Akeem-Mace-Condi Berserker, also known as putrid asenine horseshit that shouldn't be in the game in the first place.
As someone who played that *thing* i can attest you it is not the strongest or the most optimal build warrior has, it is just the most horribly unfun to be around, and I have advocaded for its removeal from the day it was itroduced.
Furthermore, as much as I'm not God's gift to PvP, i have seen and participated, in situations where an Spb entered a 1 v 3 fight, and got out of there intact, with health still above half.
To say core warr eclipses Spb in durability, is a far fetched statement, I am yet to see any evidence of core being even close to accomplishing that feat.
@@captaincrapface7337 Condi berserker is very strong and unfun to olay against but it is defeatable in a 1v1 scenario. What I'm referring to are a power berserker and a power core warrior build each utilizing vampirism to sustain off of damage. One such warrior on NA even named his account and character name something to the effect of unkillable and immortal along with the immovable object title and routinely likes to gather up players and beat them to death while they struggle to even get past his barrier upkeep.
That aside, warrior's durability is an issue in itself as it does need to be very durable in order to survive team fights but it is too durable in smaller scale arrangements and is often unkillable if it decides to focus solely on survival. A big issue towards that is the defense traitline which tends it towards becoming a better guardian than guardian and dipping into mesmer territory of ignoring most effects in the game to deter it. God forbid you play a condition based class and rely on conditions for your own survival such as weakness, cripple, slow, and chill.
At the same time without such defenses, it would be even more prey to the real apex predator, daredevil.
@@TheDetectiveJ this really stinks to me, barrier upkeep on warrior implies a stance build, which sure would make him tanky, but nowhere near to this extent.
I'need more context to pass my judgement, though theres a high chance its a gimmick meme build, and not something genuenly viable.
Furthermoe, when you say "better guardian than guardian" or "dipping into mesmer territory by ignoring most effects in the game" I'm half expecting you to complain about warrior's stealth uptime as well, becouse it wouldn't be more farfetched complaint than thease statements.
I'm having a little trouble gaugeing how hyperbolic you are trying to be in your comment, and where you are dead serious, as most of what you wrote sounds like an elaborate troll...
Good for you of it is, at least you're having fun.
@@captaincrapface7337 By better guardian I mean better utilization of blocks and aegis why still being capable of outputting more support or more sustained damage at the same time.
It is essentially a meme build as far as it does not outperform spellbreaker as a sidenoder and does not outperform willbender or vindicator as teamfights but that places it in the same meme category as condi berserker and virtuoso. Stupidly strong and broken but no place in conquest.
We have lots of such builds utilized in NA by, more often, highly toxic players who spend their days figuring out such strategies. Though the favorite class for such strategies is thief. Thief is in the same boat of having a large variety of highly toxic and stupidly broken builds that don't have a place in conquest either because something better or easier to play already fulfills the role, it needs to go against the point of conquest in order to perform effectively, or arenanet made it so it is unviable in conquest such as distortion spam builds.
Beyond that some of us like to focus on broken builds that are good for conquest that may or may not be particularly strong in duels where most players point out obvious imbalances while ignoring more important points such as speed, support, scaling effectiveness to player count, and effect over a small static area (node control)
@@TheDetectiveJ In this light, i'm very curious about the new non-conquest gamemode ANet announced and which will be to first build to break it.
I've been paying more attention to it now and I completely agree with you. There's currently no other class, that annoys me more in PvP. Especially when it's getting support. Nice video.
U are wrong, sb is alright.
SB is alright, yes.
But nothing else on warrior is and can't be fixed without running the risk of SB decidedly not being alright anymore.
@@gewreid5946 we had bladesworn as the king of pvp, but then they nerfed it out of existance... lol
I like how your highlight video in the video while you are whining about it being OP features you running away after losing a duel and failing to keep up with the pace of boon application on foes despite using meta build. In my experience this Spellbreaker build is primarily used for baiting and kiting and can usually be safely ignored because it doesn't do anything, especially considering that staff is a SUPPORT weapon, yet I always see these breakers kiting off node and generally just trolling, since the staff does no damage, or sidenoding infinitely, since they can't kill anything. It's primarily picked because Spellbreaker has zero sustain built into the traitline, and because it provides excellent mobility for kite meta. Also funny watching you die easily on mid when you decide to go for a node. Also barely seeing you maintain 2 stacks of attackers insight. It is a joke by comparison to maintain at least 10 stacks of might with a build that makes slight effort, with easy bursts up to 25. Strength alone makes each stack 40 power. Anyway, enjoy your nerfs, metabuilders. Staff is carrying Spb.
Glad to see someone write an essay just to say "Your skill issue is showing".
And you say I'm whining.
@@captaincrapface7337 I see reading comprehension is a problem. They did a targeted nerf, correctly, on staff. SpB spec isn't the problem. It was being hard carried by staff.
@@tedhodge4830 ah yes its not, the best boon removeal, its not the literally broken F2, its not the traits like [Magebane Tether] giving both damage and utility, its not the ONLY trait in warrior toolkit that gives precision, its not the busted synergies with Defens3 and Discipline, its staff that carried both Hammer Spb and GS Spb.
Come back once you figure out that there's such thing as "multiple build options".
It'll help with the "comprehention" problem you speak off.
@@captaincrapface7337 I am astonished that a GM trait would give both utility and damage. Wait, damage? In the form of a handful of might stacks which are actually inferior to the might granted by Soldier's Focus? Truthfully, the primary annoyance of Magebane is the pull, not the might, but the pull is easily countered by staying within the tether radius. But usually the Spellbreaker is running away and kiting, in which case I just eat the knockdown and move on to next target. There is no such GM trait in the game (certainly not the one you mentioned in D3) that provides comparable utility and value.
As someone else mentioned, the boon removal on SpB is actually not nearly as good as the boon corruption on Necro. I don't play Spellbreaker, I play Core. Largely because most of the tree is useless traits. It lives and dies based on Full Counter, to be honest.
@@tedhodge4830 [Magebane Teather] provides 10% strike damage increase against tethered target.
First learn what things do, then argue.