On the Bosch you can add all the attachments on the end of the angle attachment. That makes that one more versityle, since it makes you able to use standard drill bits on 90 degree angle as one example.
He's just not fair to the Bosch. 1. Mine NEVER let go of any drill, pretty sure it wasn't tightened properly 2. you can stick the chuck onto the angle so that it is much stronger than any magnet 3. obviously it's not made for standing straight with a 2 Ah battery - when the Milwaukee doesn't make the drilling in gear 2 you mention the bigger battery. Using a bigger battery makes the Bosch stand straight 🤔 4. You didn't put all drills on gear 1 for the trigger feel (watching the scenes before and after: Milwaukee was on gear 1 - Bosch and DeWalt on gear 2, you even made a cut when you change the Bosch to gear 1...) I don't think he did all this on purpose otherwise he would have hidden everything better - but he should definitely question his "testing". Also Bosch have the best planer, the best router, the best sander and the most practical angle grinder within the 12V platform. Common mate... We don't even need to talk about the DeWalt which is size wise just not comparable. Should have pointed out the size difference a lot more since this is the point of these tools! He's right about the missing quick insert collet and the wrong direction pull though, this would have made the tool better...
I own all three 12v, the dewalt seems the weakest, the Milwaukee the strongest. But saying that the Bosch over all in this tool is the best and watch my daughter who never used a drill pick it up and confidently use it. I bought a separate foam $20 case for its pieces, it was the best deal at 125 bucks. And I still use this drill now . When I need to whip out a couple holes without pulling out the big 18 V units. Grab this Bosch, manageable.
I love my Milwaukee M12 but I have co-worker that has the Bosch 12v and I do have to say I love the feel and handle of it. I like how much more compact it is and how it can keep up with my M12. Both are great!
@@TinkerWithTools you're just not fair to the Bosch by being miserable at testing it. 1. Mine NEVER let go of any drill, pretty sure it wasn't tightened properly 2. you can stick the chuck onto the angle so that it is much stronger than any magnet 3. obviously it's not made for standing straight with a 2 Ah battery - when the Milwaukee doesn't make the drilling in gear 2 you mention the bigger battery. Guess what: Using a bigger battery makes the Bosch stand straight 🤔 4. You didn't put all drills on gear 1 for the trigger feel (watching the scenes before and after: Milwaukee was on gear 1 - Bosch and DeWalt on gear 2, you even made a cut when you change the Bosch to gear 1 😂) I don't think you did all this on purpose otherwise you would have hidden everything better - but you should definitely question your testing. Also Bosch have the best planer, the best router, the best sander and the most practical angle grinder within the 12V platform. Common mate... We don't even need to talk about the DeWalt which is size wise just not comparable. Should have pointed out the size difference a lot more since this is the point of these tools! You're right about the missing quick insert collet and the wrong direction pull though, this would have made the tool better...
The Bosch 12V is not the most powerful or torquey but the size/ feel/ weight is awesome ... never had an issue with bits falling off. I have this set (multi head 12V - work) and my other drills/ drivers are: Bosch ps21 driver/ps31 drill & ps41 impact 12V(work) all brushed - Makita drill & impact 18V(work) - Metabo hpt drill & impact 18V(home) - work in medical equipment field - for construction, maybe one of the others will be better ... you can stand the Bosch up with a different battery (6.0 ah GBA12V60) but the “tube” battery is better for my applications
@@januszRou seem very invested in this lol. I don’t think anyone would question either of them being badass tools. Half way between an electric screwdriver and a drill. Also, “either of them” was intentional, Dewalt hasn’t been badass since they were the only option lol
I love my GSR12v-300 Bosch. I tried out the Milwaukee and the DeWalt DCD703 and went right to the Bosch at Lowes. Great power and has more secure attachments.
I have the Bosch brushed, my daughter and I refurbed her condo doors and closet. 120# woman handle it with ease! It’s VERY controllable. Bought it for $125 NIB two years ago
I purchased the Bosch due to its compact size, allowing me to use the tool in some very tight places. Over the years, I have added additional Bosch 12 volt tools, and so far, they all have continued to perform as expected, including the life of the batteries.
Milwaukee M12 installation drill driver Is what I pick i had and loved it. I love the line up behind it. I loved everything about it. I just hated the selector switch. Other than that I would recommend to anyone to have it for unique and specific applications.
For right engle drilling with the Bosch, use the locking bit attachment included. It won't add that much length (it is pretty flat other than the bit holder part, and it will be more secure than a magnet.
@@agentsixsix You seem to not understand my comment. The point of my comment above was to mention the locking 1/4 inch hex bit collet to add to the right angle attachment. Because he mentioned that there was no magnetic bit holding on the Bosch.
@7:47 The starting point of screw for Dewalt test was higher than its actual mid-axis, which is why it was so much farther (user error). I don't have any of them, heavily invested in M12, but this this stood out as odd to me since another youtube was able to get closest with Dewalt where you had the opposite.
I’m heavily invested in the Milwaukee m12 ecosystem but got the Bosch because the small form factor was the most appealing for my intended use. If I need more power I’m grabbing my Milwaukee m12 surge, but for assembly and finishing work, the Bosch just feels better for me and takes up less space in a bag than the Milwaukee installation driver. Nice review. 🍻
You can try the GBA12V60 (6Ah) battery for the Bosch if you wanted to stand it up. So far I haven't bought one because I really prefer having the compact tool over one that stands up like that. I have tended to prefer M12 over Bosch lately but if I get the 5-in-1 kit it will probably go Bosch because the M12's button reversing rubs me the wrong way.
Good video: balanced and insightful. I have 3 Bosch 12v (drill/driver, screwdriver and rotary tool) and am a big fan, although I actually prefer the trigger action on the older non-brushless versions, as the brushless motors do spin up more quickly, as you mentioned in the vid.
The advantage of the way the Bosh heads are removed is so that you don't drop the heads off ladders. I was watching another channel which had been using the Bosch, Milwaukee and DeWALT in the field, and the red and yellow drill drivers kept losing their heads when they would sheath the drills in the hole on the top of the latter (especially on aluminum ladders). In one case the ladder was 20 ft. in the air and the heavy drill chuck dropped from that height and hit the ground. This is why the Bosh advertises "lock" on the head and their literature. The two guys pointed out you can usually avoid this by hanging the drill by the belt clip instead.
The ladder I have doesn't even have a whole on top that is big enough to fit the tool in there like that. I have always put belt clips on my tools, so if you are going to try to use them like that, yes the Bosch is going to be more secure, but I have never run into a case where they heads have disconnected when I was not wanting it to.
I bought the Bosch and I like the the way it feels in my hand. I think it is better at getting into tight spaces. I have larger drills that will stand upright, but frankly I am using the small 12v Bosch more than I would have predicted. Never had a problem with drill bit retention.The offset feature actually works very well. It is actually very good at driving pocket hole screws into awkward places. The Milwaukee might be a good choice, but I am sure I paid far less for the Bosch on sale. The Dewalt drill looks like it is too big for the stuff I use my Bosch to complete.
Very informative review, between the Bosch and the milwaukee, with all the chucks removed to drill in a confined space, which one holds a hex drill bit most concentrically when drilling. for example, my Bosch right angle drill with a hex shank drill bit in the hex chuck, the drill bit describes a circle when you pull the trigger. Thanks Dave.
I found one more possibly significant advantage to the Bosch GSR12V-300FCB22. In addition to being safer on many ladders (as I linked earlier), and in addition to solving the standing balance issue with the 6.0Ah battery (so it won't tip over with the drill chuck), the Bosch 12v batteries also work on the Dremel 8260 (which makes sense because Bosch owns Dremel). The 8260's batteries will also work on 12v Bosch products (the batteries are identical, and that's not even true of the previous generation of Dremel batteries). I'm not sure about the ratcheting drill chuck issue. The guys in the ladder video appear to have used it extensively in the field but did not mention this. Is it possible you had it unlocked somehow? I'm still waiting for mine to be shipped. I'm not surprised finding the best 12v installation drill/driver is an evolving process, even among the ones that are already available. It is a relatively new animal. Yes, the Festool came out well over a decade ago, but most people don't have a lot of field experience with a CXS.
I am intrigued by the Milwaukee, but not sure how cost effective it can be for DIY when a right angle drill attachment can be purchased for offset screwing. If used on a regular or professional basis, however, looks like the Milwaukee would very well serve my needs.
I think my love for that tools goes beyond just the right angle or offset. I really like the utility and form factor of it. It’s not perfect but I think using most of these as a primary drill for most lighter duty things is usually sufficient for most people.
The company I work for has the m12 and a brushed Bosch, I prefer the Bosch. It’s underpowered but at least feels normal. Most of my tools are Milwaukee but I really can’t stand that forward/reverse switch on the installation driver
The other batteries and chargers in my shop say I should pick the m12 lol. But I’ve picked up some corded Bosch woodworking tools over the last couple of years and they impressed my so much I’m now curious about both of their cordless lines.
Bosch tools for me always feel really well built. The performance (other than their pro-factor tools) doesn't always seem to compete toe to toe against the best. But I do think they seem to be well made and really solid. I have several drills, a sander, a corded circular saw and then a few 12v tools and I have no complaints about them other than the power sometimes lacking especially for hte size. The freak is a prime example of this. Great idea but I want it to have more power even if it doesn't ended up being the fastest.
When you buy that segment of drill (for installation) you buy it for most of the small application. Of course you need power but compactness, and lightweight ergonomics is definitly the most important thing , I do own those 3 drill, and the bosch is almost what we ask to those tool : lightweight and compact and précise.
I wonder if the brushed Bosch is better at low speed control? That’s the one I have and I absolutely love the low speed trigger action. I don’t bother with a handheld screwdriver much anymore because it’s so good at slowly and accurately driving screws. Even self tapping wood screw removal and replacement feels safe. I do have an M12 Fuel drill which I use for drilling larger holes. Its low speed control isn’t nearly as good as the Bosch but it does have power. :)
He used this one in speed 2 and the Milwaukee in gear 1 (you can even see him switch gears in the cut after). Who needs speed control in gear 2?! Mine is completely fine, don't worry.
You're not fair to the Bosch. 1. Mine NEVER let go of any drill, pretty sure it wasn't tightened properly 2. you can stick the chuck onto the angle so that it is much stronger than any magnet 3. obviously it's not made for standing straight with a 2 Ah battery - when the Milwaukee doesn't make the drilling in gear 2 you mention the bigger battery. Using a 4/6Ah battery makes the Bosch stand straight 🤔 4. You didn't put all drills on gear 1 for the trigger feel (watching the scenes before and after: Milwaukee was on gear 1 - Bosch and DeWalt on gear 2, you even made a cut when you change the Bosch to gear 1...) I don't think you did all this on purpose otherwise you would have hidden everything better - but you should definitely question if you really wanted to test it or if you had the outcome in mind before testing it. Also Bosch have the best planer, the best router, the best sander and the most practical angle grinder within the 12V platform. Common mate... We don't even need to talk about the DeWalt which is size wise just not comparable. Should have pointed out the size difference a lot more since this is the point of these tools! You're right about the missing quick insert collet and the wrong direction pull though, this would have made the tool better...
@@TinkerWithTools yes sir I think I’m the only one that doesn’t mind it. I like it better don’t bump the switch with your hand . Been to many times grab my gun bump the direction switch .
Yes you can. I mentioned that but it might have gotten cut out of the final edit. Doing so will add length and put it at a disadvantage in overall length for those really tight spaces. It would have been nice to have a magnet though like the other two.
I've got to disagree with you bud, when I was looking for a smaller install driver I noticed behind the counter of the tool shop a huge amount of warranty returns for Milwaukee, smoky motors, broken chucks etc etc, this turned me off buying one, great strong skins but they seem to break easy, I would've purchased dewalt but the one thing that stopped us was the battery design, the bosch is by far the best, might not be the most powerful but for installs you're not going into any hardwood timber and you have higher powerful tools for that. With the design of the bosch we're able to get behind drawers and right into tight spaces, after almost 2 years of abuse they're both going strong and batteries are still fine.
What didn’t you like about the battery design on the DEWALT? Just curious. I have had the M12 since early 2020 and it’s done everything I needed it to and more. In a prior video it had a smell after some strong testing but hasn’t had it since. Overall I’ve been impressed but they each have things that I love about them.
I love the Bosch. Besides the easy insert collet and the wrong direction pull (not as bad as the Milwaukee direction change on the top) he was wrong in every criticism he had.
Two things. I have at least fifty Milwaukee M18 and M12 tools and never had one break. That said, you're likely to see the most returns on the tools a store sells the most, all other things being equal. A few years ago, I was all DeWalt. Never had much of a problem with them except for a Jacob's chuck breaking. I've owned plenty of Bosch and Makita and those are solid too. You can hardly go wrong.
The Milwaukee M12FPDX have a 1/2 chuck, can hammer and a bit goes under the chuck i find the M12FPDX is the best 12 volt Installation Multi-chuck Driver. Thx
I'd rather have the Festool installation tool, but I own Milwaukee mostly and I'm not complaining. Lots of drills and drivers, but the install tool always gets hung up with the offset fixture because that's what a need it for. Always have Philips #2 chucked upon on it and T25 torx and #2 square drive on the magnet. If for no other reason than that, it gets picked first a lot, at least if I don't have a drive a bunch of 3"+ deck screws. For that it's an M18 impact driver.
I just did a review of the Festool this past weekend. It’s smooth an ergonomic the fact that it was first released 10+ years has left the power lacking compared to these newer options. Still a nice tool just not as competitive as I would like it to be.
Bosch wins on almost every metric besides having 5-10% less performance. First and foremost, it weights 25% less which matters when you're installing at arm's length all day. The bit holder, offset, and chuck can all fit on the right-angle attachment. You can even buy a second tool with a second right-angle for even weirder action. Bosch is correct about the bit holder direction. If you pull out a Milwaukee for example and it catches on something, the bit holder will open and leave the bit. Bosch can only loosen when pushing in which is also pushing the drill into the bit which makes leaving the bit behind very unlikely. The lack of a battery on the front means it can reach deeper into stuff. The camera-style lock is way easier to use. I find myself swapping between a drill bit and driver tip frequently. I've never lost a drill bit with the chuck (though I do wish it ratcheted). The Bosch grip is more comfortable to me. They make a SDS attachment which I've never bought, but I thoroughly appreciate the ridiculousness of it.
Thanks for the review and comparison. I've been mulling over this one for a while. I've been using the milwaukee for a couple of years now and like it a lot, but I think I'm grabbing the dewalt to compare for myself as well. Since my main drill is the dcd800 now (thanks to your videos of it!), if I switch to the dewalt 5 in 1 as my daily driver tool, I'll only need to keep one charger with me. On top of that, these days, ergonomics and usability are more important to me in my tool usage. The only really irritating thing for me is that the dewalt only comes with one battery. Either way, thanks for the video! 👍
Yeah it’s essentially just the price difference between the two other kits. The Bosch was still $149 at my local lowes today which was nice to see. As for the DEWALT I don’t think it’s bad at all just not as small IMO.
Wrong, the Bosch is much smaller and fits the niche market for hard to access areas. As far as other applications, use another tool that’s designed for that.
Bosch for the win. They also have an sds attachment for it. I’ve owned all three. The dewalt has a nice grip buts it’s bigger than the Bosch, with out anymore more power. The Milwaukee sounds so bad to me. I absolutely dislike the whiny sound of Milwaukee drills.
Not that you are wrong but what tools lead you to that decision? DEWALT has made a lot of progress recently and I like it but they have a long way to go before they have all of the tools that Milwaukee has on M12.
Standing these tools on their batteries is a bad habit anyways. These are usually used in finished products and this bad habit can mars up the surface when they inevitably fall over at some point. They are all inherently imbalanced when standing on their batteries.
The point is that standing a tool like that isn't good practice, so "worse" may be a tool that encourages you to do just that. Milwaukee and Bosch 12V have the same battery designs so what makes the Milwaukee more stable is the knuckle guard which I'd gladly do without. But I agree that the selector switch is the main problem with the m12. But I do dislike the handle bulge of the M12 stuff as well.
I own 25 m12 tools but I'll never buy that stupid driver of there's. I bought the Bosch despite not owning any other Bosch tool. It's the smallest and lightest. The power is fine. No one should be trying to drive a 3-inch screw in with an installation driver anyway installation driver anyway. They're not made for that. Plus for 80 bucks you can get a 6 amp hour battery for it. Which also allows it to stand up perfectly and for the record the right angle attachments on all of them is virtually useless. I have yet to have it actually work for me.
@TinkerWithTools the switch on top. (There are plenty of times that i just would never be able to reach it) and the magnet bar down the front The bar will prevent the drill from getting into some places ( I sometimes work in very tight spots inside certain commercial desks) Magnets are very handy but that festool design is just terrible
All the speed one, speed two comparisons are stupid. It’s like comparing first gear and second gear between two different cars. It’s just a stupid metric.
For God's sake these are not for construction. People these are good for handles and hardware and what have you. Again if you want power go for the big stuff. Lever mind what he's doing, it just doesn't make sense period. Stop comparing about who's better, let the people decide..
Pushing tools in these tests with larger screws and lags is more about illustrating power differences to the viewer who may not have the means to try each of these tools. At the end of the day, they are lighter duty tools but I know that they also get asked to fight above their weight class at times and to some that power difference might matter more than to others.
On the Bosch you can add all the attachments on the end of the angle attachment. That makes that one more versityle, since it makes you able to use standard drill bits on 90 degree angle as one example.
He's just not fair to the Bosch.
1. Mine NEVER let go of any drill, pretty sure it wasn't tightened properly
2. you can stick the chuck onto the angle so that it is much stronger than any magnet
3. obviously it's not made for standing straight with a 2 Ah battery - when the Milwaukee doesn't make the drilling in gear 2 you mention the bigger battery. Using a bigger battery makes the Bosch stand straight 🤔
4. You didn't put all drills on gear 1 for the trigger feel (watching the scenes before and after: Milwaukee was on gear 1 - Bosch and DeWalt on gear 2, you even made a cut when you change the Bosch to gear 1...)
I don't think he did all this on purpose otherwise he would have hidden everything better - but he should definitely question his "testing".
Also Bosch have the best planer, the best router, the best sander and the most practical angle grinder within the 12V platform. Common mate...
We don't even need to talk about the DeWalt which is size wise just not comparable. Should have pointed out the size difference a lot more since this is the point of these tools!
He's right about the missing quick insert collet and the wrong direction pull though, this would have made the tool better...
You can do the same thing on the Milwaukee.
@@superscifi12 it is an added feature on the newest Milwaukee angle drill atachments. Bosch had it since the start.
I own all three 12v, the dewalt seems the weakest, the Milwaukee the strongest. But saying that the Bosch over all in this tool is the best and watch my daughter who never used a drill pick it up and confidently use it. I bought a separate foam $20 case for its pieces, it was the best deal at 125 bucks. And I still use this drill now . When I need to whip out a couple holes without pulling out the big 18 V units. Grab this Bosch, manageable.
I love my Milwaukee M12 but I have co-worker that has the Bosch 12v and I do have to say I love the feel and handle of it. I like how much more compact it is and how it can keep up with my M12. Both are great!
It’s true. All three have their advantages.
@@TinkerWithTools you're just not fair to the Bosch by being miserable at testing it.
1. Mine NEVER let go of any drill, pretty sure it wasn't tightened properly
2. you can stick the chuck onto the angle so that it is much stronger than any magnet
3. obviously it's not made for standing straight with a 2 Ah battery - when the Milwaukee doesn't make the drilling in gear 2 you mention the bigger battery. Guess what: Using a bigger battery makes the Bosch stand straight 🤔
4. You didn't put all drills on gear 1 for the trigger feel (watching the scenes before and after: Milwaukee was on gear 1 - Bosch and DeWalt on gear 2, you even made a cut when you change the Bosch to gear 1 😂)
I don't think you did all this on purpose otherwise you would have hidden everything better - but you should definitely question your testing.
Also Bosch have the best planer, the best router, the best sander and the most practical angle grinder within the 12V platform. Common mate...
We don't even need to talk about the DeWalt which is size wise just not comparable. Should have pointed out the size difference a lot more since this is the point of these tools!
You're right about the missing quick insert collet and the wrong direction pull though, this would have made the tool better...
The Bosch 12V is not the most powerful or torquey but the size/ feel/ weight is awesome ... never had an issue with bits falling off. I have this set (multi head 12V - work) and my other drills/ drivers are: Bosch ps21 driver/ps31 drill & ps41 impact 12V(work) all brushed - Makita drill & impact 18V(work) - Metabo hpt drill & impact 18V(home) - work in medical equipment field - for construction, maybe one of the others will be better ... you can stand the Bosch up with a different battery (6.0 ah GBA12V60) but the “tube” battery is better for my applications
@@januszRou seem very invested in this lol. I don’t think anyone would question either of them being badass tools. Half way between an electric screwdriver and a drill. Also, “either of them” was intentional, Dewalt hasn’t been badass since they were the only option lol
I love my GSR12v-300 Bosch. I tried out the Milwaukee and the DeWalt DCD703 and went right to the Bosch at Lowes. Great power and has more secure attachments.
I have the Bosch brushed, my daughter and I refurbed her condo doors and closet. 120# woman handle it with ease! It’s VERY controllable. Bought it for $125 NIB two years ago
I purchased the Bosch due to its compact size, allowing me to use the tool in some very tight places. Over the years, I have added additional Bosch 12 volt tools, and so far, they all have continued to perform as expected, including the life of the batteries.
Milwaukee M12 installation drill driver Is what I pick i had and loved it. I love the line up behind it. I loved everything about it. I just hated the selector switch. Other than that I would recommend to anyone to have it for unique and specific applications.
You can put the collet on the Bosch 90° attachment, the trigger does suck and feel lagy vs the M12.
For right engle drilling with the Bosch, use the locking bit attachment included. It won't add that much length (it is pretty flat other than the bit holder part, and it will be more secure than a magnet.
You are correct. that is an option I failed to mention. I suppose they went that route vs putting a magnet in the like the others.
The angled adapter is just the angled extention. You need to put one of the adapters on the end, just you would do on the drill itself.
@@agentsixsix You seem to not understand my comment. The point of my comment above was to mention the locking 1/4 inch hex bit collet to add to the right angle attachment. Because he mentioned that there was no magnetic bit holding on the Bosch.
@@ccbowers I was just trying to reinforce your explanation.😉
@7:47 The starting point of screw for Dewalt test was higher than its actual mid-axis, which is why it was so much farther (user error). I don't have any of them, heavily invested in M12, but this this stood out as odd to me since another youtube was able to get closest with Dewalt where you had the opposite.
Wasn't his only mistake...
Unfortunately on the right angle test that screw for the DeWALT in the play back, is angled up
Always lay your install tools down flat. That's how you prevent scars on the customers work!!
I’m heavily invested in the Milwaukee m12 ecosystem but got the Bosch because the small form factor was the most appealing for my intended use. If I need more power I’m grabbing my Milwaukee m12 surge, but for assembly and finishing work, the Bosch just feels better for me and takes up less space in a bag than the Milwaukee installation driver. Nice review. 🍻
Thanks. The Bosch certainly is the most compact 5-in-1 of the group!
I'm in the exact same boat as you. Bosch all the way
You can try the GBA12V60 (6Ah) battery for the Bosch if you wanted to stand it up. So far I haven't bought one because I really prefer having the compact tool over one that stands up like that. I have tended to prefer M12 over Bosch lately but if I get the 5-in-1 kit it will probably go Bosch because the M12's button reversing rubs me the wrong way.
Thanks for the tip.
Totally agree. And the price for the Bosch battery is cheap and really doesn't increase the overall size
Good video: balanced and insightful. I have 3 Bosch 12v (drill/driver, screwdriver and rotary tool) and am a big fan, although I actually prefer the trigger action on the older non-brushless versions, as the brushless motors do spin up more quickly, as you mentioned in the vid.
Thanks. And I appreciate the comment. I think several of the older tools sometimes feel more controllable for that very reason.
The advantage of the way the Bosh heads are removed is so that you don't drop the heads off ladders. I was watching another channel which had been using the Bosch, Milwaukee and DeWALT in the field, and the red and yellow drill drivers kept losing their heads when they would sheath the drills in the hole on the top of the latter (especially on aluminum ladders). In one case the ladder was 20 ft. in the air and the heavy drill chuck dropped from that height and hit the ground. This is why the Bosh advertises "lock" on the head and their literature. The two guys pointed out you can usually avoid this by hanging the drill by the belt clip instead.
Do you happen to remember the name of the channel? I would be curious to watch.
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The ladder I have doesn't even have a whole on top that is big enough to fit the tool in there like that. I have always put belt clips on my tools, so if you are going to try to use them like that, yes the Bosch is going to be more secure, but I have never run into a case where they heads have disconnected when I was not wanting it to.
I bought the Bosch and I like the the way it feels in my hand. I think it is better at getting into tight spaces. I have larger drills that will stand upright, but frankly I am using the small 12v Bosch more than I would have predicted. Never had a problem with drill bit retention.The offset feature actually works very well. It is actually very good at driving pocket hole screws into awkward places. The Milwaukee might be a good choice, but I am sure I paid far less for the Bosch on sale. The Dewalt drill looks like it is too big for the stuff I use my Bosch to complete.
Fair point. The traditional style drills fit into certain spaces the Milwaukee with its font guard won’t.
Very informative review, between the Bosch and the milwaukee, with all the chucks removed to drill in a confined space, which one holds a hex drill bit most concentrically when drilling. for example, my Bosch right angle drill with a hex shank drill bit in the hex chuck, the drill bit describes a circle when you pull the trigger.
Thanks
Dave.
I'll test and get back to you
I recently learned that the Bosch comes with an SDS rotary hammer attachment. Curious to know how well that works!
It’s an available for purchase accessory but it doesn’t come included. I believe it’s $99.
I found one more possibly significant advantage to the Bosch GSR12V-300FCB22. In addition to being safer on many ladders (as I linked earlier), and in addition to solving the standing balance issue with the 6.0Ah battery (so it won't tip over with the drill chuck), the Bosch 12v batteries also work on the Dremel 8260 (which makes sense because Bosch owns Dremel). The 8260's batteries will also work on 12v Bosch products (the batteries are identical, and that's not even true of the previous generation of Dremel batteries).
I'm not sure about the ratcheting drill chuck issue. The guys in the ladder video appear to have used it extensively in the field but did not mention this. Is it possible you had it unlocked somehow? I'm still waiting for mine to be shipped.
I'm not surprised finding the best 12v installation drill/driver is an evolving process, even among the ones that are already available. It is a relatively new animal. Yes, the Festool came out well over a decade ago, but most people don't have a lot of field experience with a CXS.
Its not that the chuck is unlocked. It's just not the premium of a chuck in my opinion. On other Bosch products they do have higher quality chucks.
Another brilliant, to the point review! Your vids NEVER disappoint!
Thanks!
You're definitely not watching properly.
I am intrigued by the Milwaukee, but not sure how cost effective it can be for DIY when a right angle drill attachment can be purchased for offset screwing. If used on a regular or professional basis, however, looks like the Milwaukee would very well serve my needs.
I think my love for that tools goes beyond just the right angle or offset. I really like the utility and form factor of it. It’s not perfect but I think using most of these as a primary drill for most lighter duty things is usually sufficient for most people.
M12 has a detail sander now. Haven't seen them out in the wild yet.
Yep oversight on my part.
@@TinkerWithTools No, no, not at all. It's so brand new I doubt it'll be available for some time. I think it was only introduced at Pipeline.
I was aware of it just didn’t think about it because I was thinking more of the traditional random orbit sander like Bosch has.
@@TinkerWithTools Bosch certainly leans more to the woodworking and carpentry side on the 12 V system. They have some weird stuff at Bosch.
The company I work for has the m12 and a brushed Bosch, I prefer the Bosch. It’s underpowered but at least feels normal. Most of my tools are Milwaukee but I
really can’t stand that forward/reverse switch on the installation driver
You probably would like the brushless Bosch. The form factor but the power and speed is there.
@@TinkerWithTools you just need to use both drills in gear 1 and there's no problem at all with the Bosch.
The other batteries and chargers in my shop say I should pick the m12 lol. But I’ve picked up some corded Bosch woodworking tools over the last couple of years and they impressed my so much I’m now curious about both of their cordless lines.
Bosch tools for me always feel really well built. The performance (other than their pro-factor tools) doesn't always seem to compete toe to toe against the best. But I do think they seem to be well made and really solid. I have several drills, a sander, a corded circular saw and then a few 12v tools and I have no complaints about them other than the power sometimes lacking especially for hte size. The freak is a prime example of this. Great idea but I want it to have more power even if it doesn't ended up being the fastest.
When you buy that segment of drill (for installation) you buy it for most of the small application. Of course you need power but compactness, and lightweight ergonomics is definitly the most important thing , I do own those 3 drill, and the bosch is almost what we ask to those tool : lightweight and compact and précise.
I wonder if the brushed Bosch is better at low speed control? That’s the one I have and I absolutely love the low speed trigger action. I don’t bother with a handheld screwdriver much anymore because it’s so good at slowly and accurately driving screws. Even self tapping wood screw removal and replacement feels safe.
I do have an M12 Fuel drill which I use for drilling larger holes. Its low speed control isn’t nearly as good as the Bosch but it does have power. :)
I haven’t tried the brushed version but the trigger control on the brushless version wasn’t that precise.
He used this one in speed 2 and the Milwaukee in gear 1 (you can even see him switch gears in the cut after). Who needs speed control in gear 2?! Mine is completely fine, don't worry.
i would do any 12v but the milwaukee , why would you move the forward and reverse ?
Constant innovation! Yeah, it's a drawback to that tool.
You're not fair to the Bosch.
1. Mine NEVER let go of any drill, pretty sure it wasn't tightened properly
2. you can stick the chuck onto the angle so that it is much stronger than any magnet
3. obviously it's not made for standing straight with a 2 Ah battery - when the Milwaukee doesn't make the drilling in gear 2 you mention the bigger battery. Using a 4/6Ah battery makes the Bosch stand straight 🤔
4. You didn't put all drills on gear 1 for the trigger feel (watching the scenes before and after: Milwaukee was on gear 1 - Bosch and DeWalt on gear 2, you even made a cut when you change the Bosch to gear 1...)
I don't think you did all this on purpose otherwise you would have hidden everything better - but you should definitely question if you really wanted to test it or if you had the outcome in mind before testing it.
Also Bosch have the best planer, the best router, the best sander and the most practical angle grinder within the 12V platform. Common mate...
We don't even need to talk about the DeWalt which is size wise just not comparable. Should have pointed out the size difference a lot more since this is the point of these tools!
You're right about the missing quick insert collet and the wrong direction pull though, this would have made the tool better...
I didn't even know non-ratcheting chucks were still offered on consumer tools.
I like the milwaukee magnet front and finger the trigger with middle finger actuate speed with thumb
The Milwaukee is really awesome. They are all nice but I keep going back to that one.
Love the review and comparisons! And FYI Milwaukee came out with the m12 finish sander this year. Just released recently. 😀
Yeah realized that after the video went live. The Bosch is more a standard random orbit sander but you are correct.
The switch on the Milwaukee does not bother me . Use the little feller more than my m12 fuel impacts or drill.
I get used to it after a little while but it’s the one glaring flaw on an otherwise perfect tool for me.
@@TinkerWithTools yes sir I think I’m the only one that doesn’t mind it. I like it better don’t bump the switch with your hand . Been to many times grab my gun bump the direction switch .
Could u not attach the other chucks to the right angle chuck on the bosch?
Yes you can. I mentioned that but it might have gotten cut out of the final edit. Doing so will add length and put it at a disadvantage in overall length for those really tight spaces. It would have been nice to have a magnet though like the other two.
@@TinkerWithTools so you actually did wanna make the Milwaukee look better.. Interesting. Yes, a chuck is longer but it's a lot tighter than a magnet.
I would not be surprised if Milwaukee makes a rotex style sander in M12 fuel, M18 fuel, and Corded flavors.
I would be shocked if they made anything new in the corded variety. The Rotex style would be nice though.
I've got to disagree with you bud, when I was looking for a smaller install driver I noticed behind the counter of the tool shop a huge amount of warranty returns for Milwaukee, smoky motors, broken chucks etc etc, this turned me off buying one, great strong skins but they seem to break easy, I would've purchased dewalt but the one thing that stopped us was the battery design, the bosch is by far the best, might not be the most powerful but for installs you're not going into any hardwood timber and you have higher powerful tools for that.
With the design of the bosch we're able to get behind drawers and right into tight spaces, after almost 2 years of abuse they're both going strong and batteries are still fine.
What didn’t you like about the battery design on the DEWALT? Just curious. I have had the M12 since early 2020 and it’s done everything I needed it to and more. In a prior video it had a smell after some strong testing but hasn’t had it since. Overall I’ve been impressed but they each have things that I love about them.
I love the Bosch. Besides the easy insert collet and the wrong direction pull (not as bad as the Milwaukee direction change on the top) he was wrong in every criticism he had.
Two things. I have at least fifty Milwaukee M18 and M12 tools and never had one break. That said, you're likely to see the most returns on the tools a store sells the most, all other things being equal. A few years ago, I was all DeWalt. Never had much of a problem with them except for a Jacob's chuck breaking. I've owned plenty of Bosch and Makita and those are solid too. You can hardly go wrong.
Love my Milwaukee installation kit
i really like the Dewalt best but i would have to go with Milwaukee because i have a lot of batteries.
The Milwaukee M12FPDX have a 1/2 chuck, can hammer and a bit goes under the chuck i find the M12FPDX is the best 12 volt Installation Multi-chuck Driver. Thx
Yeah they don’t make that one where I live! I wish they did!
Great job thanks for sharing!
I'd rather have the Festool installation tool, but I own Milwaukee mostly and I'm not complaining. Lots of drills and drivers, but the install tool always gets hung up with the offset fixture because that's what a need it for. Always have Philips #2 chucked upon on it and T25 torx and #2 square drive on the magnet. If for no other reason than that, it gets picked first a lot, at least if I don't have a drive a bunch of 3"+ deck screws. For that it's an M18 impact driver.
I just did a review of the Festool this past weekend. It’s smooth an ergonomic the fact that it was first released 10+ years has left the power lacking compared to these newer options. Still a nice tool just not as competitive as I would like it to be.
Bosch has a square battery too.
Yes. You are correct.
Bosch wins on almost every metric besides having 5-10% less performance.
First and foremost, it weights 25% less which matters when you're installing at arm's length all day.
The bit holder, offset, and chuck can all fit on the right-angle attachment. You can even buy a second tool with a second right-angle for even weirder action.
Bosch is correct about the bit holder direction. If you pull out a Milwaukee for example and it catches on something, the bit holder will open and leave the bit. Bosch can only loosen when pushing in which is also pushing the drill into the bit which makes leaving the bit behind very unlikely.
The lack of a battery on the front means it can reach deeper into stuff.
The camera-style lock is way easier to use. I find myself swapping between a drill bit and driver tip frequently.
I've never lost a drill bit with the chuck (though I do wish it ratcheted).
The Bosch grip is more comfortable to me.
They make a SDS attachment which I've never bought, but I thoroughly appreciate the ridiculousness of it.
You can always use the Oscillating Tool as a Sander
Dewalt has my vote in this space. Bosch would be 2nd.
Thanks for the review and comparison. I've been mulling over this one for a while. I've been using the milwaukee for a couple of years now and like it a lot, but I think I'm grabbing the dewalt to compare for myself as well. Since my main drill is the dcd800 now (thanks to your videos of it!), if I switch to the dewalt 5 in 1 as my daily driver tool, I'll only need to keep one charger with me.
On top of that, these days, ergonomics and usability are more important to me in my tool usage. The only really irritating thing for me is that the dewalt only comes with one battery.
Either way, thanks for the video! 👍
Yeah it’s essentially just the price difference between the two other kits. The Bosch was still $149 at my local lowes today which was nice to see. As for the DEWALT I don’t think it’s bad at all just not as small IMO.
No festool csx????
Haven’t had a chance to use it yet. When I do you’ll see a review on the channel.
If you put the Bosch into gear one. You can have that trigger feel you are looking for , without that awful Milwaukee whine
Looks like Dewalt has the best grip and ergonomics
You are correct.
I would really like to see makita's version
Tools and stuff showed off the patent they have for that. It would be nice to see a drill like that from them.
@@TinkerWithTools that is awesome, can't wait as I have a 12v cxt batteries :)
That f/r button on the Milwaukee is a deal breaker, no way.
I can work with it... but i get what you are saying.
Matika is by far the best, more expensive but way ahead of all the competition.
Are you talking in terms of these multi chick drills or just in general?
Hilti and festool ones
To be fair I haven’t tried them. What do you like more about them?
Wrong, the Bosch is much smaller and fits the niche market for hard to access areas. As far as other applications, use another tool that’s designed for that.
I have the hilti one, but no reason to spend that kind of money. I could of just went with metabo and be happy
I think Hilti is going to be my next splurge purchase.
Bosch for the win. They also have an sds attachment for it. I’ve owned all three. The dewalt has a nice grip buts it’s bigger than the Bosch, with out anymore more power. The Milwaukee sounds so bad to me. I absolutely dislike the whiny sound of Milwaukee drills.
I think that they are all solid options. Of the three I don’t think you can make a bad choice so your choice of Bosch is a great one too.
Absolutely. Dewalt and Milwaukee have other great tools that bosch completely effed up their version of it. lol
The M12 platform is what I chose when Ridgid killed my beloved 12v tools! Go Milwaukee!
I have to disagree as I think the DeWalt line is the better choice.
Not that you are wrong but what tools lead you to that decision? DEWALT has made a lot of progress recently and I like it but they have a long way to go before they have all of the tools that Milwaukee has on M12.
@@TinkerWithTools I have the 12v impact driver, drill driver, and screwdriver. Love them all for diy.
@@lcook0825 those are great options. If that’s all you need or want I think DEWALT is a fine choice.
@@TinkerWithTools Thanks.
Nice
Standing these tools on their batteries is a bad habit anyways. These are usually used in finished products and this bad habit can mars up the surface when they inevitably fall over at some point. They are all inherently imbalanced when standing on their batteries.
I would agree that it's nice practice but compared to the other two when the drill chuck is in place, the bosch is noticeably worse.
The point is that standing a tool like that isn't good practice, so "worse" may be a tool that encourages you to do just that. Milwaukee and Bosch 12V have the same battery designs so what makes the Milwaukee more stable is the knuckle guard which I'd gladly do without. But I agree that the selector switch is the main problem with the m12. But I do dislike the handle bulge of the M12 stuff as well.
I own 25 m12 tools but I'll never buy that stupid driver of there's. I bought the Bosch despite not owning any other Bosch tool. It's the smallest and lightest. The power is fine. No one should be trying to drive a 3-inch screw in with an installation driver anyway installation driver anyway. They're not made for that. Plus for 80 bucks you can get a 6 amp hour battery for it. Which also allows it to stand up perfectly and for the record the right angle attachments on all of them is virtually useless. I have yet to have it actually work for me.
I appreciate you sharing. What is it that you dislike about the milwuakee?
@TinkerWithTools the switch on top. (There are plenty of times that i just would never be able to reach it) and the magnet bar down the front
The bar will prevent the drill from getting into some places
( I sometimes work in very tight spots inside certain commercial desks)
Magnets are very handy but that festool design is just terrible
That would be weird. I'm not used to pulling out.
dewalt is wobble. wobble is dewalt.
All the speed one, speed two comparisons are stupid. It’s like comparing first gear and second gear between two different cars. It’s just a stupid metric.
For God's sake these are not for construction. People these are good for handles and hardware and what have you. Again if you want power go for the big stuff. Lever mind what he's doing, it just doesn't make sense period. Stop comparing about who's better, let the people decide..
Pushing tools in these tests with larger screws and lags is more about illustrating power differences to the viewer who may not have the means to try each of these tools. At the end of the day, they are lighter duty tools but I know that they also get asked to fight above their weight class at times and to some that power difference might matter more than to others.
M12 all day with the new high output battery im making money