That was my immediate thought. Single player mod/cheat programs aren't worried about evading detection because they don't need to. Cheats for competitive/online games are designed to be hard to detect specifically to avoid anti cheat software.
If that’s the case, given the number of tools available on Nexus (a rather ubiquitous site at this point) to mod the myriad of soulsborne and other harder-to-mod games out there, either those tools aren’t actual cheats OR someone at Bungie/BattleEye isn’t doing their job.
Which also ties in to the kernel level anti-cheat issue, so many people hate kernel level anti-cheats, yet there are very few practical ways to fight cheats that run on the kernel without using kernel level anti-cheat
People have been banned for having ArtMoney/CE running since Destiny 2 was launched (yes, even before BattlEye, Destiny 2 has always had an integrated anticheat routine that can detect those softwares, but not other cheats that have been developped after the integrated anticheat was discovered and analyzed by the cheat makers, hence why Bungie turned to Battleye, too). I think by now thousands of players have been banned for those softwares alone, they are not going to make exceptions now...
Exactly! It's not something new, or even unique to Destiny. Other games have banned players for using ArtMoney for years: Apex, Fortnite, and Warzone to name a few. Does it suck that he was banned? Yeah Should he be unbanned. No Not only has it been known before this to result in bans, so he should have played it safer. But if Bungie were to unban him it would be showing favoritism due to his status of being a content creator. This would would be unfair to the others who were banned for the same thing, and would compound the idea that some players hold that Bungie only listens to content creators.
I used CE to cheat in single player games all the time. When Destiny 2 launched on PC and I seen people getting banned for it, I went and uninstalled CE immediately because I know my dumb ass would leave it accidently running and I would get banned losing thousands of hours. This guy is the definition of FAFO now
Also, just wanted to comment. It DOES seem trivial to ban a guy who loves destiny and NOT the ACTUAL cheaters but here's the thing: he got caught. Whether he was using it or not, he had the software that was capable of cheating and the d2 security team caught him. Prolly cause he's a nice guy and not trying to hide! Meanwhile, the ACTUAL cheaters are trying to cover their tracks as best they can so they DONT get caught. I think anyways. I dunno. But that makes sense in my head. And perma-Banning IS a little too harsh. A month long ban maybe or just give him a warning and unban him.
it's very simple... cheaters design cheats to avoid detection... legitimate debuggers and memory editors typically do not have a reason to try and hide their presence. Client side anti-cheats will always be defeatable.
Well... what's the line between a cheater and "get good"? Like... are we going to ignore the fact that men are sore losers? ESPECIALLY when it comes to video games? I have a suspicion that maybe a little game rage and over reacting is probably pushing Destiny security to start ignoring some of the wolf cries. I dunno, but I mean... maybe theyre just a really good player?
Yup and people purposely cheat worse and they don’t get punished as fast. Also if it read memory did it change memory was it actively causing him to win.
@@notchs0son😂 right. Whatever helps you sleep at night bud. In the slim chance they he did dupe an item. What in destiny that could be duped that would allow him to consistently win? 😂 that’s why I said use two brain cells
@@xWakatoshi clearly you lack the intelligence to understand I understand he wasn’t doing anything to manipulate the game it was simply detected by automated cheat system and there are others who get reported for cheating and they can’t get them banned faster.
That took me way off guard .. a Glock in Harry Potter seems dope when to wanna make your character bust out multiple spells you upgrade to the Glock wit a switch.
Console players- Nycho explains what this is. There is rampant cheating especially on console where folks synthesize controller using scripts. They're trying to police PvP without admitting how to fix the problem. It was funny for a while being called crazy for not hitting shots but a lot of sub 2 inch weiner folk are mad cheating
He gave a weird hint with is ban excuse about running a few strikes for fun leading me to believe he was just attempting something stupid by rolling the dice
exactly, not sure why no one is really talking about that first tweet. Sounds like he was trying to mess with something he thought was innocent - and then walked back his story when he realized cheating in strikes would still result in a perma-ban.
@@minerplayzgd5334 oh you know, stupid fun memory editor from time to time no big deal i love watching cheaters justify their cheating, it's like watching a convict try to convince you they are innocent from behind bars
@@l3ftie578 I've tried using a memory editor on Destiny... it doesn't work. for example I tried giving myself more ammo... it worked, until I shot a single bullet and it reverted back. Turns out it only updated the Display value, and not the actual value... So in conclusion, because of bungies memory encryption, it's literally impossible to cheat in d2 with a memory editor like cheat engine.
Tbf, much as I may hate it, a world's first and a trials player are two very different situations that carry very different meanings. Maybe not to people outside of the game but for people running day 1s yeah that's a big wtf.
If Bungie took a chance on perma banning this 4 time world champion raider, believe that they have evidence of cheating. It’s never as innocent as they claim.
This is EXACTLY my thoughts. Bungie isn’t exactly everyone’s favorite developer at the moment and banning a popular 4x champion is never a good look even with evidence. So their decision to ban HAD to be backed by irrefutable evidence and no, Bungie does not owe us the evidence. Maybe show Cruz but not us.
My guess is Bungie had some hearsay based evidence of cheating, but no hard proof and with the anti-cheat catching something that gave them the hard proof they needed to ban him.
The explanation doesn't make sense. Why use an external program to alter money values in Total War, when those games have cheat codes built in to give you free money?
1 person maybe or it's been outsourced by now. Which is the route they probably went with most departments they let go. They seen outsourcing it was cheaper because upper management can't spend money properly per Sony Executive...
I’ve had friends get banned for similar things. I would be more upset if they unbanned him because of who he is. You violate the terms of service, you get banned. Shouldnt matter who you are.
See the conspiracy theorist in me is saying it’s Bungie trying to make it so different teams get world’s first since Elysium getting it doesn’t get people excited at all.
@@Jaschrome he still is bannable by Bungie's TOS though. Could have easily changed the Cheat Software to PREDEND like it is changing a different game while it actually is providing an active advantage in Destiny 2.
there are actually mods for certain singleplayer games that give warnings that they could be detected as cheats by other games anticheats. i got a warning when downloading a GRAPHICAL MOD that it could be seen as cheats by other anticheats.
That’s because if those were fair play people could download mods that make every wall invisible and then you’d be able to see right through them having a huge advantage
cross, memory editing software is not like model changes. i have 2 programs that have memory editing capabilities, but arent compatible w destiny (1 only works on old ROMs, and another only works with a specific set of indie games). no way in hell would i have either running when i play destiny
You don’t even need software on the machine running Destiny, with a DMA card (flashed to pretend to be an innocuous device like a capture card/network card) and a second PC (even a recent Pi) you can real-time memory read/write to the main machine without BattleEye having a clue. Client-side anti-cheat needs to go into the dustbin.
You know what boggles my mind? Usually with general purpose cheating software like CE and ArtMoney, you would expect the anti cheat to catch it on start up and straight up not allow you to play the game...Because it is highly likely that someone opened it for another program and forgot to close it. Also I would expect some proper anti cheat like battle eye would know WHEN people actually modify the memory address of D2 with tools like CE and ArtMoney
Battle eye sucks. I never cheat on any games even single player games don't cheat and got banned lol. It doesn't work, hackers run rampant while innocent people get banned
I think the response Bungie would say to this if they did respond would be that they can't have it just not allow you to play the game when it detects something because cheaters/cheat-makers could use this to test if their cheats get flagged or not, and they could essentially do trial and error with their cheats until it allows them into the game, which would then mean they've got passed the anti-cheat. You could say with the current system that they could just get a new account when they get banned, but hardware and IP bans make it harder for them to do that.
@@McSpicyYT You do know that cheaters can EASILY spoof MAC addresses and IP addresses, right? VPNs are also a thing... Plus, it's super easy to make it so that you only give the warning message if the program is not trying to hide itself... That won't give any information to the cheaters. Besides, most cases, bans happen near instantly, and is not much different than just preventing the game from launching or connecting to the servers.
The whole thing is kind of iffy imo. I think it's kind of harsh, but it was against TOS. Also, saying "Why are they banning 'x' in PvE, while there are hard cheaters on PvP?" is like saying "Why are they arresting this store thief, while there are murderes out there?"
To your second point, it didnt sound like he was mad at the ban, I think he was saying the permaban was harsh. To relate it to your analogy, Cross was saying it's like locking up the store thief in jail forever while giving a murderer a 1 year sentence.
Just to clear this up modding is technically cheating even if its purely cosmetic. However companies will draw the line for modding and what is considered banable
and do we trust that budgie tech is working 100 percent of the time and detected it ? Because their anti cheat tech seems to be doing so well right now with cheaters
People get unbanned from games all the time when its revealed to be a false positive, I have seen countless people get their accounts back from this. The fact bungie turned round and more or less said "nah bruh, you were hacking" when he likely wasn't is ridiculous. The funny thing is, most problems people have with anti-cheats are usually battle eye. I have seen a lot of bad stuff about them tbh, including the fact that it scans every file on your pc without your consent which if you ask me is a breach of privacy and should be against the law.@axi
"The whole two people that are still working there." LMAO. This guy's a natural entertainer and over the years I've loved watching Cross find his feet. Power to you man.
if bungies wiling to go that far with cruz, why don't they permabanned the people who r actually truly cheating and just be done with it. at point its fair. point is, don't use haxx lol
I have played on Console since D1. Never used any "Cheat" products of any kind. PC players have made the cheating in PVP, Raids, etc. in Destiny. Guess what, All software lic agreements of their terms of service is violation of the terms of service. They should all ban everyone who uses cheating, mods with PC. I can't even play PVP or Trials due to the damn PC lobby mixed into Console. Why not stop using mods, play the damn game as the Devs sold it and then brag your ass off being the best, if you can be the best with the DEFAULT game. PC has really shot to Hell COD, D2, many games. Cross, he did not mistake using MODS, MODS are not allowed if you can read the TOS for games!!!!!!!!! Console!
It can change values, but most things are still server-side and won't accept what the client is sending to them if it differs. Thats why you can't just add unlimited glimmer, etc.
@@dezzdinn It's p2p between players, you are still bound to a server. You have no clue. Idk why you guys here in the comments throw the p2p buzzword around like crazy, its completely irrelevant. At the end of the day a server on bungies side decides what happens on the screen, not the client. You can't just add glimmer, you can change the value on your client but the server will NEVER accept a value that is different.
@Nokamigg Then how come people are flying around in trials with infinite heavy ammo? You think people can do that but not change the value of ammo or glimmer? GTFO. You sound like you just want to defend a cheater. Maybe Bungie should investigate you. 🤔
You have a misunderstanding of what that program is capable of. It's not just currency, enhancement cores, or something like. It's ammo, health, and damage output too. Maybe he's telling the truth, it was open for another game and he just forgot, but the cards are not stacked in his favor. I've had Destiny 2 detect me running something for another game that I forgot to turn, it warns you when you boot the game. Maybe that didn't pop up for him, maybe it did and he ignored it, we don't know. The thing that looks sus to me is the fact that he is a world first raider, that makes me question if he's been using it this whole time and is just now getting caught. I don't know the guy, I don't know if he streams, but if there's footage out there to show his gameplay I think that would help shed some light.
"that makes me question if he's been using it this whole time and is just now getting caught" - no, if he was using something and was not caught up until now it would not be an old memory editor.. that is literally not designed to bypass any anticheats. He definitely got flagged a singular time (probably for the described reason) because D2 would detect something like that instantly.. not after a period of time of using it. If he was cheating, that wouldn't be what you use to cheat 😭
@@9ballciety yeah as far as I know it operates like CheatEngine- insanely easy to detect, and imo there is NO SHOT that he could be using something so crude and old to cheat in worlds first raids- if he wanted to cheat in Destiny, im sure he would use something designed to bypass Bungie's anticheat, not the kind of software you'd use to alter currency/xp values in 10+ year old singleplayer games.
@@captainwin6333 damn, with you around it's a whole lot of sloppy at bungie's HQ. Dickride the bs TOS all the way mahbe they'll give you glimmer and emotes. Maybe bungie should have a better anticheat that doesn't snoop around your running files and shit, and instead detects cheats better.
@@thisone98what you described is literally how to make an effective anti cheat and as someone else explained It scans the running game for data the same way something like wall hacks or other cheats would so there isn't really a realistic way to prevent them from flagging these programs it's either more cheaters or accidentally flagging this stuff every once in a while
Values in memory editors can be much more than just currency. Movement speed, weapon stats, ammo count all fall under values that can be modified if they are kept on the client side. Client side memory hacking is the foundation of many cheat programs. Its the real deal, not a "little program". Edit: For clarity I'm not sayin the dude did it or not, just saying that memory hacks are literally how people change values in games like this. So while not "aim botting" in a game like destiny if the gun stats are stored client side, you could increase how sticky head shots are for each weapon that you have equipped. If they are stored host side, then you have to get more creative.
I don't even see the issue. I'm okay with a baseline rule of banning anyone that has memory manipulation software running while playing your game. Just like I would ban any professional athlete that has steroids in their locker even if the steroids appear to be unused.
Ok so yes, that is how hacks work in singleplayer games. However, in most multiplayer shooters, there is a server replaying the actions of the player. Even if you hacked your local client, the server wouldn't have those hacked values for your client and it would be replaying your actions w/o the stat modifications. You'd essentially just be desyncing yourself from the server. Money likewise is entirely stored in the database/server, and the numbers you see are just representations of what's on the server. Nothing you do or see locally can magically change the server. In that respect, it technically is a "little program." Source: Lots of time spent listening and talking to netcoding devs and my own hobby work. It is possible the game is coded in such a way that's hacking could affect the server (either weird complexity which I wouldn't rule Destiny out of, or it's just poorly coded), but the industry standard of having a server essentially eliminates cheats/hacks that modify stats, and as I understand Destiny PvP does use a server, at least for PvP.
@@matchstick21yes and no, destiny 2 in general uses a hybrid between server to client and peer to peer, basically instead of the servers handling *all* of the information they handle everything except abilities and movement. So memory editing works BUT only for abilities and movement, which is why you see a lot more cheaters with infinite supers than you see with infinite heavy ammo. That still doesn't excuse this ban or any ban similar to this since the program Cruz uses isn't designed to edit Destiny 2 files specifically, so it shouldn't be flagged as a cheat for the game in the first place.
@breadkellofthebakery if you have a gun that's only used for hunting that doesn't stop it from killing humans. The problem could work on any game, it doesn't care what games running
I've used software like this, I've used this one as well. Its basically cheat engine, which for those who don't know allows you to edit memory registry in games sorta like a trainer/wemod. If you know the registry value (and the value isn't obfuscated/encrypted) you can manipulate it like giving yourself unlimited ammo on certain games, or cash. Its a very dated software, it by no means is an aimbot, wall hacks, or anything related to destiny. It might be possible to edit weapon ammo with it (if that data isn't stored server side) or bungie doesn't encrypt that data but that would be entry level programming. If you could use this software to edit in game ammo than that is extremely poor on Bungies part. Its stupid easy to encrypt this data, which constantly changes. Every time the game boots it could use the CPU's built in random number generator to generate a key, than constantly change that value each time ammo is used so even if you managed to figure out the value it would be a completely new value the next time a weapon was used. For all we know this program could have been closed, but still running in the background in the task bar tray ...
@@KernicDE Negligible at best, everything you do on a system is encrypted from internet traffic to the operating system. You encrypt and decrypt files on the fly constantly, even your keyboards input is encrypted by default to make it harder for malware to hook into and read the value. Cellphones for the past 5-6 years have all been encrypted by default from the factory, it is not taxing on anything remotely new, and if it's not remotely new it's not capable of supporting the software dependencies need to play Destiny 2. This is common in indie games, Bungie has no excuse.
My brother got banned for forgetting cheat engine on, the cheat engine he used with other older goofy games to just have some fun, and it's the exact same thing, it was still on in the background and it perma banned him on steam.
@@ewjiml I run a cheat table for Elden Ring Convergence overhaul, it's great to not have to worry about 100+ hour mule playthroughs just to test a weapon or spell for a potential build in a single player game. There's no issue with a cheat table until you bring it into a PvP/competitive environment. Bungie can access the memory on their back end, and I doubt they didn't though. So it's very possible they have something solid. But if they banned just for having the table in general, that's absolutely stupid.
@@ewjiml ah yes cheats for single player for testing, build crafting, discovering tricks and strategies makes you a scumbag. Techinally mods are cheats/not intended for the base game so congrats you just called yourself a scumbag.
Cheat engine can only change variables in a game that are exclusive to your computer, which in Destiny 2 isn't anything Best you could do is glitch out some graphics and crash your own game, you can't edit anything because it is entirely run on the Destiny 2 servers and you'd have to edit their company's server instance, not the game in your harddrive
I remember cheatengine had you search for hexcodes freeze em, then get another amount of whatever you were trying to manipulate, search again to narrow down which of the innital ones were changed then freeze the ones that changed. Repeat those steps once more, for the exact amount. Finally that let you edit what that value was and force it to stay at that value in game. For instance if the value you were trying to change was ammo, you could have a gun with 30 rounds, Search for 30 in CE, freeze the set of values that came up with 30, shoot once in game, search for 29 in CE, and repeat the search now with 29 as the vaule, out of the innital values frozen/marked at 30, one of those will now be 29. that will be the vaule you can set to w/e you want, could even set it to 1 ammo and freeze it so even though it doesnt show your gun going into unattainable limits you would have infinite shots (At 1 ammo) in game.
@@Cloudz2021 idk i havent done stuff like this in years, but the video reminded me about it, and it really afaik can really only affect stuff that is run client-side or on P2P servers where you can potentially get host of said server. It was also funny to mess around with it on FB games like Farmville back when that was relevant because you could basically mess with the clock for w/e window was open. Even in Halo 2 where the grind to get the Halo Icon as a rank was basically plagued with people who modded maps since those servers were p2p and you could bridge host to yourself. The good ole pulling the ethernet cord on your modem days lmao
@@Cloudz2021 As another example something like this or cheat engine could do would be for borderlands games you could get yourself infinite keys to the P2W chest most of those games had.
@@Cloudz2021 some non-nefarious things these tools are used for are for any type of games' speedruns. Things like Wrong-warps, step counts, frame perfect movements could be tracked through it running in the background.
My friend had something like this in WoW. He had a mod program running in the background, WeMod to be exact, he was using for other games (Wemod has no cheats, hacks, or anything that can tamper with World of Warcraft) but he was still perma banned. Fortunately, they overturned it after investigation, but it is a shitty situation when someone accidentally has software running in the background or whatever reason.
the problem with memory-editor is, it's also a memory-scanner, which means, it has to pull data from other program, in order to know where to make a edit. and cheats like wall-hack is also based on memory-scan, as they also must know the data to work. to the anti-cheats, it only knows that a program trying to scan the game's data, they don't(and can't) know what the program does with the scan result. or say, to the anti-cheats, artmoney or wall-hack could look exactly the same, by allowing memory-scan potentially would allow many cheats to happen. thus anti-cheats just don't allow memory-scan.(with a few exceptions like dev-tools, which are also huge loopholes for cheats to take) this is why bungie can't let this go easily, it's rather a tech-limitation-problem than a decision-making-problem.
That wasn't for cheating, but for doing account recoveries. Accounts being recovered and accounts associated with the person doing the recoveries all get banned.
@@ThreshyNeonz That is why he was kicked from Clan Redeem and ostracized from the community. Around a year later he was caught doing account recoveries and was actually banned from the game. Saying bad stuff outside the game wont get you banned from D2. That is not in the ban policy.
I feel inclined to answer on the question why a memory editor got flagged and not xims, net limiter, and ring one cheats. The simple answer is within the programs coding which is known as a bypass. it'll spoof itself and the anticheat wont detect it even during direct use. And when the game updates, the developers will run codes/ processes until its not flagged in the system. I'm not a programmer so i dont exactly know how it works but I've modded my singleplayer games for years and you just gotta be careful.
Bungie is bullcrap company. Ive lost my main account like 3-4 years ago for "hacking" what do you even hack in destiny 2. They said the same thing to me, blah blah blah case close. Still don't know to this day what triggered it, only thing I could think of was a ini for eft which is like a script to initialize EFT back when it was terrible and a lot of people use ini.exe, but that just me grasping at straws because I have no clue. But it fine I just got a alt account for destiny 2 only
I use Cheat Engine both in offline, single player games and also in the past when I was a developer. It's a memory editor and not just for cheats (although most people use it for that I imagine). It was running in the background once, unbeknownst to me, and I couldn't get in to D2 at all. Unsure how Cruz managed to get in to play some strikes. Either way, Cruz could've used it in D2 but he would've had to know exactly how to find and edit the memory addresses for D2 and it doesn't seem like Cruz has this knowledge. I feel for him.
He definitely guilty. But hey, I got perma-banned because I was modding Bioshock offline, I knew it wouldn't work on Destiny at all but thought "what the heck, wouldn't it be cool to have a weapon with a 9999 level just to see it" and tried it, nothing happened naturally, then an hour later I was banned lol He fucked around and found out. He can just make a new account though
A form of artmoney was used by someone in helldivers to see if it would work. Not saying it can be used in destiny. But it’s not just single player games.
No it isn't just single player games, but if you know how it works then you can make that claim pretty easy as the games that are multiplayer that it would work on are not MMOs, unless there are MMOs that run their core functions in YOUR harddrive That is the issue, you CANNOT edit ANYTHING in a live game, in a game that is getting all its information from Blizzard servers, with this software Even a Blizzard amin on the Destiny 2 servers couldn't use a crude 'cheat engine' style editor so access isn't an issue, the software isn't made for MMOs
I am not a cheater but i work in cyber security and i know about the current version of battleeye. If you go and rename the program and replace references to its name to its new name across the files, you can bypass it. This applies to cheat engines and lag tools etc
It's Game Genie for PC games for all my OG's who remember Game Genie and were young enough at the time not to know how the black magic worked. Game Genie essentially did this working memory trick for NES games.
No the tool is completely useless in d2 it won't hook anything. It works on single player games not multi-player. He could not have used that program to cheat
no one understands how it works though. this program is already intrinsically blocked by BattlEye. it opens a usermode handle with read/write memory permission. BattlEye strips those before they can even touch the game. Their anticheat dosent do anything to stop actual cheaters and their using a big streamer to make an example… BattlEye’s kernel mode detections werent updated for 2.5 years. neither BattlEye or Bungie actually do their job because in perspective EACs free version is updated A MINIMUM of 2 times a week. please dont support bungie…
i love that screenshot of the TOS and it floating around especially because i have yet to see it in any other way than that screenshot, not in any official bungie statements or in their TOS
dude.. artmoney is basically used the same way cheat engine is used. Im well aware what it is and all i got to say is RIP BONZO I don't fucking believe anyone who unironically calls himself honest, much less after a certain known player been found cheating. What might have happen is that he tried to be a smart ass and got flagged. But since the ban can be delayed, it wasn't immediately obvious. Having a memory editor on the background is not the same as using it either, so i have even less reason to believe any of this bullshit. Sorry if this sounds mean, but the amount of red flags from this is just astronomical.
some one i used to raid with got perma banned for a cheat engine they had installed for a pokemon rom that would let them have infinite rare candy's amd masterballs.
About that thing...reporting cheaters, and think they are still running without problems. Bannings cheaters often goes in waves. To make the creators of the cheats pulling strings. If the creator of a cheater tests his cheat and gets banned instant..he can search, and try again. He tries again he doesn't get banned, he fixed the detection issue. By making the ban waves irregular, ik makes for the creators very hard to figure out what is that makes their cheating software detectable.
artmoney simply doesn’t work for server sided games at all, i used to use something similar called ‘game guardian’ on mobile and it worked for every offline game but any single game that connects to online-it simply doesn’t work i do think bungie with their TOS is valid to ban them for running a cheat engine, even though the cheat engine wouldn’t work at all for destiny or any online game i feel like for this specific situation, he should be unbanned but bungie does have the justification needed to not do so
You are assuming this was just a one-time thing. With a player as popular and well-known as this guy, Bungie spent MONTHS looking at his gameplay and data. Moderating his every live data stream with a fine-comb. Bungie did not say what cheating program was detected, it was Cruz, so it could have been anything.
Love this guy. Don't play D2 anymore but this is accurate. Plausibility always exists, though it's always possible that non intended programs can fall into a potential threat for even the "laziest" anti cheat. I commonly use file injection software for work and due to the nature of the program, it has been picked up by various styles of anti cheat although has absolutely no use in cheating in games none the less online games. I don't think this guy intended to alter his D2 experiences in anyway with a meh value search program
Surprised I haven't gotten banned then. While I do keep a very tidy computer as far as programs and such, I run all kinds Hex Editors, Cheat Engine, and game file manipulators for very much the same reasons, QoL tweaks for older games or editing game files to adjust FOV, Ultra Widescreen support, etc.
i laughed at the "nobody is getting banned for overlays" cuz if my memory serves me this has happened in the early days of destiny 2 where people got banned for some overlay things its one of the reasons i dont use any overlays anymore cuz its not worth the false positive
So no one has heard of cheatengine in this generation? These hex editor programs can't be used on Destiny 2, it would have to access the company server directly to edit any existing values because the values aren't changeable or even accessibly on the client side
Ive dabbled in hex ids you can infact change more than currency if you have the knowledge on it this includes any in game item, have I done it myself though? the answer to this is no have I done it in other games? Yes I have.
Here's the issue with "just don't keep stuff on your computer ..." many people, especially college students or those new to IT/Cybersecurity industry have applications for forensics, network monitoring, security, and all that (Heck I have a ton of SANS apps and AI apps loaded) have a single computer. Just by how intrusive Anti-cheat is becoming just having those are now becoming SUS or a violation. Sure don't run them while gaming but if you have them installed and NOT running how is that a violation? Does Anti-Cheat NOT violate privacy rights? What about how anti-cheat is now looking not only at running memory and installed apps but also able to identify and determine credential tokens and what URLs you are visiting while gaming and determine if you are even watching a movie. There needs to be a defined line of what anti-cheat is allowed to look at; needs to stay within the games sandbox. But more and more devs are just making their TOS to be all inclusive and screw the gamers/consumers rights.
Thing is if the program exists in memeory but IS NOT attachted or reading destiny 2 memeory then CHANGING it, then this guy should not have been banned. Bungie have no rights to scan my computer and see what other programs are running. That is a huge invasion of privacy, and seems like it could be used to sue the fuck out of bungie.
Bungie being overly cautious is how a security team works. Cheats are literally disguised as other software so bungie banning for Artmoney accidentally being on is just a stupid choice for Cruz to "accidentally" have left on. Long story short, people might be mad at Bungie, but its Cruz's fault for not taking extra precautions and trying to use social media to blame bungie for literally doing their job.
The only problem with forgiving it. Is people may come out of the woodwork trying to dispute, with the same excuse. It’s a double edged sword especially because this person is a streamer, because if no one else gets the same treatment it’s “favoritism” This is why we read before agreeing to anything.
Programms like cheat engine don't work on server based games as say you try to change a currncy in game if it dont aline with the information they have on there server it does nothing but this ban is crazy ngl
the reason why people still tend to see cheaters despite there being anti cheat is because bans are typically done in waves (not always for more common programs) pirate software went over this in a video and it's pretty interesting. the summary is basically, doing bans in waves hurt the guys who sell cheats a lot more because it causes people to do charge backs for the cheats they bought all at once, which screws them over financially.
I feel like clarifying won't be as disastrous as Bungo really thinks it'll be. "We have it on record that he was manipulating currency." "We have it on record that he was manipulating infinite Heavy." Etc. They think if they say: "Hey. You were clearly aimbotting." They think cheat software engineers will be like: "DANG THEY CAUGHT THIS EXACT LINE OF CODE AT THIS EXACT POINT. It doesn't matter at all when most cheaters are using a spare PC to run it.
big huge DIFFERSANCE IN MODS & hEX/mEMORY EDITORS..... USED ONE back in the day on the original diablo. it litteraly let me asigns the damage value an item or spell would do.. Give myself max gold & health & mana... or any armor or weapon i wanted it was game breaking lol..
Me: bought horizon vista for ps5 so I could have 4 back buttons on my controller. Never used a mod in my life. Sony blocks it (couldn't they just block mods instead of the whole thing?) & I'm out $60 I spent cuz its so much more comfortable for my hands to use back buttons. Then there's ppl using cheat software & get away with it for 10 yrs & get worlds 1st a # of x's. Yup. That's fair. Also, Sony, how u gonna have a $200 controller with only 2 paddles? Booo!
I refuse to judge both parties. But I feel like Bungie wouldn’t just axe such and esteemed community member without good reason. Also all is fair in love and TOS. TOS are built to be iron clad and at the end of the day companies have the right to fully enforce . Harsh ? Absolutely. But there’s a million and one ways to not get banned and the easiest is TO NOT HAVE SOMETHING EASILY CLASSIFIABLE AS A CHEAT ENGINE RUNNING WHILE PLAYING D2 .
This is reeaaally scary! I use Cheat Engine a LOT for OLD games I want to playthrough quickly for nostalgia etc. I rarely remember to turn it off, and can switch from playing an old solo game to jump onto D2 when my friends call. I'm surprised I haven't been banned already! I can try to keep it off, but inevitably it's eventually going to be on at some point... this is WORRYSOME
He played it for 10 years. Why would he use an easily-flaggable cheat now? He clearly forgot (this ONE time) to close it after using it on a different game. These companies have no souls. The other dude you're talking about was found with PVP cheats. Is this a PVP cheat? >.>
I wish they’d separate pc from console players. Pvp players on PC have an undeniable advantage using M&K and on top of that, PC cheats are readily available. You know I right when you play a console lobby and then a PC lobby. It’s NIGHT AND DAY.
Im jus gonna say this: If youre cheatring in an online multiplayer game FOR PROFIT, youre a scumbag and should be in prison. However, Bungie banning anyone for modding or cheating in a game that is NOT Destiny, is revealing in that it clearly shows this person was in Bungies crosshairs for a long time, and Bungie was essentially salivating for any reason to justify taking down their target. There can be anything running in the background on PC's for the simple fact that Destiny isnt the only game gamers play (Shocker I know), Nor is it the only thing PEOPLE do on their PC's... and any normal individual(s) working in the gaming industry would logically take that into consideration ESPECIALLY when that Software has Not a F'n thing to do with Destiny. But this is what happens when yall D-Ride Bungie throwing "Massive W's" in every thread on everything they post or do. At some point youd think youd look in the mirror and realize yalls contribution to Bungie's massive disconnection from the player base... or even most times, Reality.
I think Bungies anti cheat software should warn you if you have a background program running that could result in a ban. On opening D2 you get a popup "D2 anti cheat has detected ArtMoney, this application may result in a permanent ban" This would eliminate the I accidentally left it running argument. Leaving them free to hand out bans with no potential false positives. I'm a game developer programmer, I use software that could be used for similar things for work. I would be devastated to cop a ban cause I innocently left something running in the background.
I haven't played Destiny in a while, but what bothers about this is that: He was not found to having USED the program to cheat, it was just found running whilst he was playing. There's no evidence he used it on Destiny, just that he had a VERY low-level cheating program active. These types of low-level cheats aren't meant to be competitive cheat, they're not there to conceal themselves which is why a VERY BAD anti-cheat like BattleEye could pick it up. It doesn't even hide itself, because it's used for single player games where it's not needed to hide. There's no deception involved. I make modpacks for friends for Lethal Company, to test out my pack I use a mod that gives me infinite money to go to planets and gives me invincibility and a testroom for debugging. Would that then be considered a cheat for Destiny? No. It's not meant for that, and they know that. My point is, there's no evidence of him using it, it makes no sense of him using it, and yet there's plenty of actual cheaters out there going about aimbotting and hacking that don't get caught, this is so pointless to stick behind TOS, BUT DID HE CHEAT?! No. Then what's the problem? If the anti-cheat would shut Destiny down, sure. but banning.. Nah.
I don't understand why bungie doesn't just BUY THE CHEATS people are selling and reverse engineer them. I LITTERALY know like 3 different websites where you can buy cheats. ITS ALL JUST RIGHT THERE. BUNGIE DO SOMETHING!
I mean I can't blame Bungie for banning him but it really do just be just setting an example. It's like walking through TSA with an unloaded Glock in your waistband, completely forgetting it was there. Simply having it, loaded or not, in your waistband, will get you in a fucked position. The excuse of forgetting or it being harmless will never cut it. Punishment will need to be handed out otherwise it'll be taken advantage of. Just remember if you're using full on memory editing and debugging cheats, they are significantly different from the vast vast majority of modding you understand like Steam Workshop or most of NexusMods/Thunderstore. Especially if the software is not a single target software and can be applied to anything, there'll literally be no such thing as a false positive for a ban since its existence alone while Destiny 2 is open will be registered as cheating. Anti-cheat can't detect if it works with Destiny 2, only what it is and what it can do (at least in regards to this type of software).
Seems pretty simple to me. Close your "offline" cheat tools prior to running Destiny 2 and Battleye won't detect them. How is Battleye supposed to know that the cheat tool was for another game and not Destiny 2? If Bungie allowed everyone a single "oops I forgot to close it!" excuse to get out of a ban, how long would it take for someone to say "but I deserve ONE MORE chance!" and then another, and another, and another?
Honestly, Bungie is trash for this either way. You have a blanket slate for any "cheat" software and if his claim is legit, then a PERMABAN is just way over the top. If he's not innocent, then he's not, and that's that. Bungie is TRASH because like TH-cam's poor algorithm, it's either not catching people actually cheating on a constant basis in Destiny, or it flags small programs that oh, they're on, but they're not doing anything at all. You can't blanket ban people, that doesn't fix anything and it's counterproductive when there's daily videos of "Cheaters in Trials" for years.
I mean but your point...."what's he doing doubling enhancement cores?" Doesn't excuse the action...IF that's something he's doing, THAT is a violation of ToS...thats the problem with some millenials, gen z etc...and I'm a millennial as a preface.... want to get away with shit that's clearly spelled out as a violation of the rules, then wanna both sides shit, then wanna absolve mofos cause "if they're only doubling enhancement cores" it's a slippery slope, if you allow THAT cheating, then ALL cheating should be allowed. No he violated the rules, caught a ban, sorry for ya.
To answer how BattleEye caught Artmoney and doesn't catch proper cheats: It's simply due to proper cheats being designed to avoid being caught.
And battle eye being generally awful like most fps games’ anti cheats
That was my immediate thought. Single player mod/cheat programs aren't worried about evading detection because they don't need to. Cheats for competitive/online games are designed to be hard to detect specifically to avoid anti cheat software.
If that’s the case, given the number of tools available on Nexus (a rather ubiquitous site at this point) to mod the myriad of soulsborne and other harder-to-mod games out there, either those tools aren’t actual cheats OR someone at Bungie/BattleEye isn’t doing their job.
Which also ties in to the kernel level anti-cheat issue, so many people hate kernel level anti-cheats, yet there are very few practical ways to fight cheats that run on the kernel without using kernel level anti-cheat
Doesn't matter what game it's connected to its cheating, so imo serves him right
People have been banned for having ArtMoney/CE running since Destiny 2 was launched (yes, even before BattlEye, Destiny 2 has always had an integrated anticheat routine that can detect those softwares, but not other cheats that have been developped after the integrated anticheat was discovered and analyzed by the cheat makers, hence why Bungie turned to Battleye, too).
I think by now thousands of players have been banned for those softwares alone, they are not going to make exceptions now...
Exactly! It's not something new, or even unique to Destiny. Other games have banned players for using ArtMoney for years: Apex, Fortnite, and Warzone to name a few.
Does it suck that he was banned? Yeah
Should he be unbanned. No
Not only has it been known before this to result in bans, so he should have played it safer. But if Bungie were to unban him it would be showing favoritism due to his status of being a content creator. This would would be unfair to the others who were banned for the same thing, and would compound the idea that some players hold that Bungie only listens to content creators.
Imagine “reaching the pinnacle and affecting thousands” and not realizing this for 10 years 😂
people were also banned for using discord and steam overlays for months
@@Chaplain_Asmodainever got banned for the steam overlay, buddy
I used CE to cheat in single player games all the time. When Destiny 2 launched on PC and I seen people getting banned for it, I went and uninstalled CE immediately because I know my dumb ass would leave it accidently running and I would get banned losing thousands of hours. This guy is the definition of FAFO now
haven’t played in abt a year, but i needed some cross in my smoke sesh, what a guy. i missed you 😂
Final Fantasy 7 had this mod build into the game way back in 1997. It was called "W-Item" materia. ✌️😂
Also, just wanted to comment. It DOES seem trivial to ban a guy who loves destiny and NOT the ACTUAL cheaters but here's the thing: he got caught. Whether he was using it or not, he had the software that was capable of cheating and the d2 security team caught him. Prolly cause he's a nice guy and not trying to hide! Meanwhile, the ACTUAL cheaters are trying to cover their tracks as best they can so they DONT get caught. I think anyways. I dunno. But that makes sense in my head. And perma-Banning IS a little too harsh. A month long ban maybe or just give him a warning and unban him.
Its kinda impressive battle eye catches this, but the guy flying around the map with infinite heavy doesnt raise any eye brows
Lol, it's a work in progress...?
it's very simple... cheaters design cheats to avoid detection... legitimate debuggers and memory editors typically do not have a reason to try and hide their presence. Client side anti-cheats will always be defeatable.
Well... what's the line between a cheater and "get good"? Like... are we going to ignore the fact that men are sore losers? ESPECIALLY when it comes to video games? I have a suspicion that maybe a little game rage and over reacting is probably pushing Destiny security to start ignoring some of the wolf cries. I dunno, but I mean... maybe theyre just a really good player?
Simple, don't install those programs and you have nothing to worry about.
@@fuzyfuzfuz2 Woah Caitlin, maybe save the misandry for a relevant discussion?
Ohh I accidentally had a mod running in the background while I attempted worlds 1st
Yup and people purposely cheat worse and they don’t get punished as fast. Also if it read memory did it change memory was it actively causing him to win.
@@notchs0son thats not how that works bud....use two braincells and think about it... it reads and changes quantity of items. its a duper..
@@xWakatoshi you say that’s not how it works and proceed to tell me he duped items. Which did what? Help him win…
@@notchs0son😂 right. Whatever helps you sleep at night bud. In the slim chance they he did dupe an item. What in destiny that could be duped that would allow him to consistently win? 😂 that’s why I said use two brain cells
@@xWakatoshi clearly you lack the intelligence to understand I understand he wasn’t doing anything to manipulate the game it was simply detected by automated cheat system and there are others who get reported for cheating and they can’t get them banned faster.
"i had a glock in harry potter" is something i thought id never hear💀
That took me way off guard .. a Glock in Harry Potter seems dope when to wanna make your character bust out multiple spells you upgrade to the Glock wit a switch.
Epic Office style humor casually occurs in the vid
The statement at @9:30 mark . Yea that part , 🤔 what the heck bungie dudes get away weekly in trials like how you not on that
Funniest thing he's ever said
@@mybags_a_dragon the switch 😭😭😭😭
Not only did Cross tell me how to feel about this, but he also encouraged me to buy 4 Starforged PC's. Thanks Cross!
throw me one
doodoo
I didn't get a "brought to you by Raid Shadow Legends.", when did content creators stop telling how to feel about that? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Console players- Nycho explains what this is. There is rampant cheating especially on console where folks synthesize controller using scripts. They're trying to police PvP without admitting how to fix the problem. It was funny for a while being called crazy for not hitting shots but a lot of sub 2 inch weiner folk are mad cheating
I’m buying 5
He gave a weird hint with is ban excuse about running a few strikes for fun leading me to believe he was just attempting something stupid by rolling the dice
exactly, not sure why no one is really talking about that first tweet. Sounds like he was trying to mess with something he thought was innocent - and then walked back his story when he realized cheating in strikes would still result in a perma-ban.
It just sounds like he was trying a stupid fun build like I do time to time
@@minerplayzgd5334 oh you know, stupid fun memory editor from time to time no big deal
i love watching cheaters justify their cheating, it's like watching a convict try to convince you they are innocent from behind bars
@@l3ftie578 I've tried using a memory editor on Destiny... it doesn't work. for example I tried giving myself more ammo... it worked, until I shot a single bullet and it reverted back. Turns out it only updated the Display value, and not the actual value... So in conclusion, because of bungies memory encryption, it's literally impossible to cheat in d2 with a memory editor like cheat engine.
@@l3ftie578 true especially the banned speed runners.
I can imagine in a couple days, saltagreppo complains that bungie's ban hammer is too op and bungie nerfs their ban hammer
That’d be one nerf I would agree with Salt on completely.
@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxXThe last thing we need is a ban to the nerf hammer when trials is still infested with them.
Exactly that’s all the frog does complain about everything
@spyderhuntz nope all cheaters need to be perman banned
😂
Came down with the ban hammer faster then they ever react to trial's cheaters.
You know damn well that both situations are different
Tbf, much as I may hate it, a world's first and a trials player are two very different situations that carry very different meanings. Maybe not to people outside of the game but for people running day 1s yeah that's a big wtf.
@@557deadpool id wager trials cheating is 💯 times more damaging to the game.
Worlds first is much more important than joe’s random trials match just sayin. One is higher priority
you should look into dma cards, there’s a reason why many clear cheaters slip by now :/.
If Bungie took a chance on perma banning this 4 time world champion raider, believe that they have evidence of cheating. It’s never as innocent as they claim.
This is EXACTLY my thoughts. Bungie isn’t exactly everyone’s favorite developer at the moment and banning a popular 4x champion is never a good look even with evidence. So their decision to ban HAD to be backed by irrefutable evidence and no, Bungie does not owe us the evidence. Maybe show Cruz but not us.
100% and I wouldn't doubt it if a lot more of these big streamers are. They just haven't got caught yet.
My guess is Bungie had some hearsay based evidence of cheating, but no hard proof and with the anti-cheat catching something that gave them the hard proof they needed to ban him.
if bungie wants to perma ban all their "good" players, then they can count on the masses leaving
The explanation doesn't make sense. Why use an external program to alter money values in Total War, when those games have cheat codes built in to give you free money?
“What’s left of the security team” lmao
😂😂😂
1 person maybe or it's been outsourced by now. Which is the route they probably went with most departments they let go. They seen outsourcing it was cheaper because upper management can't spend money properly per Sony Executive...
Yeahh its me, jordan, emma, three baby centipedes and a parrot. The parrot is our leader
Bob working overtime with two pairs of bionic arms trying to take care of the demand lol
@@aquatic682the parrot is also the one who gave cruz the ban 🙏😭
I’ve had friends get banned for similar things. I would be more upset if they unbanned him because of who he is. You violate the terms of service, you get banned. Shouldnt matter who you are.
This is the second Elysium clan member to be banned. Kinda interesting.
See the conspiracy theorist in me is saying it’s Bungie trying to make it so different teams get world’s first since Elysium getting it doesn’t get people excited at all.
Recovs are very very different than using a program for old rts games.
Cruz got banned for modding total war rome xD....the program didn't have anything to do with bungie or destiny
@@Jaschrome he still is bannable by Bungie's TOS though.
Could have easily changed the Cheat Software to PREDEND like it is changing a different game while it actually is providing an active advantage in Destiny 2.
Ngl those guys smell fishy... long time coming that the triple world champions were suspected about cheetos
“Just make sure you watch every single ad” lmao.
made me LOL too ahaha.
there are actually mods for certain singleplayer games that give warnings that they could be detected as cheats by other games anticheats. i got a warning when downloading a GRAPHICAL MOD that it could be seen as cheats by other anticheats.
Why a 4x worlds first raider could not realise that is beyond me
That’s because if those were fair play people could download mods that make every wall invisible and then you’d be able to see right through them having a huge advantage
@JPOG7TV you shouldn't get banned for using programs that affect a completely different game
@@JPOG7TV why you are unironically on the side of a company that's routinely shown their anticheat & ban practices are lazy & incompetent is beyond me
Reshade?
cross, memory editing software is not like model changes. i have 2 programs that have memory editing capabilities, but arent compatible w destiny (1 only works on old ROMs, and another only works with a specific set of indie games). no way in hell would i have either running when i play destiny
You don’t even need software on the machine running Destiny, with a DMA card (flashed to pretend to be an innocuous device like a capture card/network card) and a second PC (even a recent Pi) you can real-time memory read/write to the main machine without BattleEye having a clue. Client-side anti-cheat needs to go into the dustbin.
You know what boggles my mind? Usually with general purpose cheating software like CE and ArtMoney, you would expect the anti cheat to catch it on start up and straight up not allow you to play the game...Because it is highly likely that someone opened it for another program and forgot to close it. Also I would expect some proper anti cheat like battle eye would know WHEN people actually modify the memory address of D2 with tools like CE and ArtMoney
Precisely.
Bros giving battle eye too much credit it is absolutely bottom tier anti cheat
Battle eye sucks. I never cheat on any games even single player games don't cheat and got banned lol. It doesn't work, hackers run rampant while innocent people get banned
I think the response Bungie would say to this if they did respond would be that they can't have it just not allow you to play the game when it detects something because cheaters/cheat-makers could use this to test if their cheats get flagged or not, and they could essentially do trial and error with their cheats until it allows them into the game, which would then mean they've got passed the anti-cheat. You could say with the current system that they could just get a new account when they get banned, but hardware and IP bans make it harder for them to do that.
@@McSpicyYT You do know that cheaters can EASILY spoof MAC addresses and IP addresses, right? VPNs are also a thing... Plus, it's super easy to make it so that you only give the warning message if the program is not trying to hide itself... That won't give any information to the cheaters. Besides, most cases, bans happen near instantly, and is not much different than just preventing the game from launching or connecting to the servers.
The whole thing is kind of iffy imo. I think it's kind of harsh, but it was against TOS.
Also, saying "Why are they banning 'x' in PvE, while there are hard cheaters on PvP?" is like saying "Why are they arresting this store thief, while there are murderes out there?"
To your second point, it didnt sound like he was mad at the ban, I think he was saying the permaban was harsh. To relate it to your analogy, Cross was saying it's like locking up the store thief in jail forever while giving a murderer a 1 year sentence.
Bungie is lacking
Its the whataboutism galore
That's right though, why would you waste valuable resources imprisoning a petty thief, when there's a murder happening in the house next door?
Nothing iffy or harsh about it. Anytime it’s a random person that gets banned, no one defends them by saying it was kind of harsh. So why now?
Don't let the ministry of magic catch you with that weapon.
The one spell they can't beat 😂 a 20mm😂
Just to clear this up modding is technically cheating even if its purely cosmetic. However companies will draw the line for modding and what is considered banable
Destiny does warn you of it detects something when you get on the game. So there was a chance to go and close it before playing
and do we trust that budgie tech is working 100 percent of the time and detected it ? Because their anti cheat tech seems to be doing so well right now with cheaters
True but that's not the point. He wasn't cheating, and got banned for cheating. That is wrong, no matter what anyone says.
@@AaronWOfficialbut he broke the ToS then? Unfortunately that’s what he’s being banned for
People get unbanned from games all the time when its revealed to be a false positive, I have seen countless people get their accounts back from this. The fact bungie turned round and more or less said "nah bruh, you were hacking" when he likely wasn't is ridiculous. The funny thing is, most problems people have with anti-cheats are usually battle eye. I have seen a lot of bad stuff about them tbh, including the fact that it scans every file on your pc without your consent which if you ask me is a breach of privacy and should be against the law.@axi
Having a illegal gun but never use it, is still a crime if/when caught by the police....
"The whole two people that are still working there." LMAO. This guy's a natural entertainer and over the years I've loved watching Cross find his feet. Power to you man.
if bungies wiling to go that far with cruz, why don't they permabanned the people who r actually truly cheating and just be done with it. at point its fair. point is, don't use haxx lol
"btw guys, i'm available - pick me up" 💀😂
They can take salt next !
I have played on Console since D1. Never used any "Cheat" products of any kind. PC players have made the cheating in PVP, Raids, etc. in Destiny. Guess what, All software lic agreements of their terms of service is violation of the terms of service. They should all ban everyone who uses cheating, mods with PC. I can't even play PVP or Trials due to the damn PC lobby mixed into Console. Why not stop using mods, play the damn game as the Devs sold it and then brag your ass off being the best, if you can be the best with the DEFAULT game. PC has really shot to Hell COD, D2, many games. Cross, he did not mistake
using MODS, MODS are not allowed if you can read the TOS for games!!!!!!!!! Console!
It's the ammo. Memory editing can change any value or freeze any value.
It can change values, but most things are still server-side and won't accept what the client is sending to them if it differs. Thats why you can't just add unlimited glimmer, etc.
@@Nokamigg P2p game you can in fact and wth the game server issues that have plagued multiple raids it would be easier
@@dezzdinn It's p2p between players, you are still bound to a server. You have no clue. Idk why you guys here in the comments throw the p2p buzzword around like crazy, its completely irrelevant. At the end of the day a server on bungies side decides what happens on the screen, not the client. You can't just add glimmer, you can change the value on your client but the server will NEVER accept a value that is different.
@Nokamigg Then how come people are flying around in trials with infinite heavy ammo? You think people can do that but not change the value of ammo or glimmer? GTFO. You sound like you just want to defend a cheater. Maybe Bungie should investigate you. 🤔
@@captainbuzzkill4658probably because thats not the same thing😲
You have a misunderstanding of what that program is capable of. It's not just currency, enhancement cores, or something like. It's ammo, health, and damage output too. Maybe he's telling the truth, it was open for another game and he just forgot, but the cards are not stacked in his favor. I've had Destiny 2 detect me running something for another game that I forgot to turn, it warns you when you boot the game. Maybe that didn't pop up for him, maybe it did and he ignored it, we don't know. The thing that looks sus to me is the fact that he is a world first raider, that makes me question if he's been using it this whole time and is just now getting caught. I don't know the guy, I don't know if he streams, but if there's footage out there to show his gameplay I think that would help shed some light.
Don't matter if he's telling the truth or not, Bungie's TOS clearly states not to have these things running or ban!
"that makes me question if he's been using it this whole time and is just now getting caught" - no, if he was using something and was not caught up until now it would not be an old memory editor.. that is literally not designed to bypass any anticheats. He definitely got flagged a singular time (probably for the described reason) because D2 would detect something like that instantly.. not after a period of time of using it. If he was cheating, that wouldn't be what you use to cheat 😭
@@9ballciety yeah as far as I know it operates like CheatEngine- insanely easy to detect, and imo there is NO SHOT that he could be using something so crude and old to cheat in worlds first raids- if he wanted to cheat in Destiny, im sure he would use something designed to bypass Bungie's anticheat, not the kind of software you'd use to alter currency/xp values in 10+ year old singleplayer games.
@@captainwin6333 damn, with you around it's a whole lot of sloppy at bungie's HQ.
Dickride the bs TOS all the way mahbe they'll give you glimmer and emotes.
Maybe bungie should have a better anticheat that doesn't snoop around your running files and shit, and instead detects cheats better.
@@thisone98what you described is literally how to make an effective anti cheat and as someone else explained It scans the running game for data the same way something like wall hacks or other cheats would so there isn't really a realistic way to prevent them from flagging these programs it's either more cheaters or accidentally flagging this stuff every once in a while
This got suggested to me today and I thought the worlds first raid team changed
Values in memory editors can be much more than just currency. Movement speed, weapon stats, ammo count all fall under values that can be modified if they are kept on the client side. Client side memory hacking is the foundation of many cheat programs. Its the real deal, not a "little program".
Edit: For clarity I'm not sayin the dude did it or not, just saying that memory hacks are literally how people change values in games like this. So while not "aim botting" in a game like destiny if the gun stats are stored client side, you could increase how sticky head shots are for each weapon that you have equipped. If they are stored host side, then you have to get more creative.
I don't even see the issue. I'm okay with a baseline rule of banning anyone that has memory manipulation software running while playing your game. Just like I would ban any professional athlete that has steroids in their locker even if the steroids appear to be unused.
Ok so yes, that is how hacks work in singleplayer games. However, in most multiplayer shooters, there is a server replaying the actions of the player. Even if you hacked your local client, the server wouldn't have those hacked values for your client and it would be replaying your actions w/o the stat modifications. You'd essentially just be desyncing yourself from the server. Money likewise is entirely stored in the database/server, and the numbers you see are just representations of what's on the server. Nothing you do or see locally can magically change the server. In that respect, it technically is a "little program."
Source: Lots of time spent listening and talking to netcoding devs and my own hobby work. It is possible the game is coded in such a way that's hacking could affect the server (either weird complexity which I wouldn't rule Destiny out of, or it's just poorly coded), but the industry standard of having a server essentially eliminates cheats/hacks that modify stats, and as I understand Destiny PvP does use a server, at least for PvP.
@@matchstick21yes and no, destiny 2 in general uses a hybrid between server to client and peer to peer, basically instead of the servers handling *all* of the information they handle everything except abilities and movement.
So memory editing works BUT only for abilities and movement, which is why you see a lot more cheaters with infinite supers than you see with infinite heavy ammo.
That still doesn't excuse this ban or any ban similar to this since the program Cruz uses isn't designed to edit Destiny 2 files specifically, so it shouldn't be flagged as a cheat for the game in the first place.
@breadkellofthebakery if you have a gun that's only used for hunting that doesn't stop it from killing humans. The problem could work on any game, it doesn't care what games running
@@Breadlootgoblin aaah, ok, fascinating, I had heard it was hybrid but I wasn't sure what exactly it handled.
So what about people who's account got hacked and gets banned
I've used software like this, I've used this one as well. Its basically cheat engine, which for those who don't know allows you to edit memory registry in games sorta like a trainer/wemod. If you know the registry value (and the value isn't obfuscated/encrypted) you can manipulate it like giving yourself unlimited ammo on certain games, or cash.
Its a very dated software, it by no means is an aimbot, wall hacks, or anything related to destiny. It might be possible to edit weapon ammo with it (if that data isn't stored server side) or bungie doesn't encrypt that data but that would be entry level programming. If you could use this software to edit in game ammo than that is extremely poor on Bungies part. Its stupid easy to encrypt this data, which constantly changes.
Every time the game boots it could use the CPU's built in random number generator to generate a key, than constantly change that value each time ammo is used so even if you managed to figure out the value it would be a completely new value the next time a weapon was used.
For all we know this program could have been closed, but still running in the background in the task bar tray ...
Rolling encryption on any value the game safes to memory? Why should you do this? This will cost a lot of system ressources...
@@KernicDE Negligible at best, everything you do on a system is encrypted from internet traffic to the operating system. You encrypt and decrypt files on the fly constantly, even your keyboards input is encrypted by default to make it harder for malware to hook into and read the value.
Cellphones for the past 5-6 years have all been encrypted by default from the factory, it is not taxing on anything remotely new, and if it's not remotely new it's not capable of supporting the software dependencies need to play Destiny 2.
This is common in indie games, Bungie has no excuse.
My brother got banned for forgetting cheat engine on, the cheat engine he used with other older goofy games to just have some fun, and it's the exact same thing, it was still on in the background and it perma banned him on steam.
Then don’t use cheat engines. Durrrr. There’s plenty of mods for single player games. If he’s using it for “older” pvp, he’s a scumbag. No sympathy.
@@ewjiml I run a cheat table for Elden Ring Convergence overhaul, it's great to not have to worry about 100+ hour mule playthroughs just to test a weapon or spell for a potential build in a single player game.
There's no issue with a cheat table until you bring it into a PvP/competitive environment.
Bungie can access the memory on their back end, and I doubt they didn't though. So it's very possible they have something solid.
But if they banned just for having the table in general, that's absolutely stupid.
@@ewjiml ah yes cheats for single player for testing, build crafting, discovering tricks and strategies makes you a scumbag. Techinally mods are cheats/not intended for the base game so congrats you just called yourself a scumbag.
I like hearing cheaters excuse themselves. It’s like hearing convicts on why they are innocent.
Cheat engine can only change variables in a game that are exclusive to your computer, which in Destiny 2 isn't anything
Best you could do is glitch out some graphics and crash your own game, you can't edit anything because it is entirely run on the Destiny 2 servers and you'd have to edit their company's server instance, not the game in your harddrive
I remember cheatengine had you search for hexcodes freeze em, then get another amount of whatever you were trying to manipulate, search again to narrow down which of the innital ones were changed then freeze the ones that changed. Repeat those steps once more, for the exact amount. Finally that let you edit what that value was and force it to stay at that value in game. For instance if the value you were trying to change was ammo, you could have a gun with 30 rounds, Search for 30 in CE, freeze the set of values that came up with 30, shoot once in game, search for 29 in CE, and repeat the search now with 29 as the vaule, out of the innital values frozen/marked at 30, one of those will now be 29. that will be the vaule you can set to w/e you want, could even set it to 1 ammo and freeze it so even though it doesnt show your gun going into unattainable limits you would have infinite shots (At 1 ammo) in game.
Does that work in games that updates from a server though? My understanding was that it locked the locally saved registry/file that affects the stat.
@@Cloudz2021 idk i havent done stuff like this in years, but the video reminded me about it, and it really afaik can really only affect stuff that is run client-side or on P2P servers where you can potentially get host of said server. It was also funny to mess around with it on FB games like Farmville back when that was relevant because you could basically mess with the clock for w/e window was open. Even in Halo 2 where the grind to get the Halo Icon as a rank was basically plagued with people who modded maps since those servers were p2p and you could bridge host to yourself. The good ole pulling the ethernet cord on your modem days lmao
@@Cloudz2021 As another example something like this or cheat engine could do would be for borderlands games you could get yourself infinite keys to the P2W chest most of those games had.
@@Cloudz2021 some non-nefarious things these tools are used for are for any type of games' speedruns. Things like Wrong-warps, step counts, frame perfect movements could be tracked through it running in the background.
Good times getting 999 sun in PvZ
My friend had something like this in WoW. He had a mod program running in the background, WeMod to be exact, he was using for other games (Wemod has no cheats, hacks, or anything that can tamper with World of Warcraft) but he was still perma banned. Fortunately, they overturned it after investigation, but it is a shitty situation when someone accidentally has software running in the background or whatever reason.
I have runned wemod in background without activating it in game in wow. I was never banned
buddy was CHEATIN CHEATIN LMAOOO
the problem with memory-editor is, it's also a memory-scanner,
which means, it has to pull data from other program, in order to know where to make a edit.
and cheats like wall-hack is also based on memory-scan, as they also must know the data to work.
to the anti-cheats, it only knows that a program trying to scan the game's data, they don't(and can't) know what the program does with the scan result.
or say, to the anti-cheats, artmoney or wall-hack could look exactly the same, by allowing memory-scan potentially would allow many cheats to happen.
thus anti-cheats just don't allow memory-scan.(with a few exceptions like dev-tools, which are also huge loopholes for cheats to take)
this is why bungie can't let this go easily, it's rather a tech-limitation-problem than a decision-making-problem.
Had to check the upload date to make sure this wasn’t Indica from years ago
That wasn't for cheating, but for doing account recoveries. Accounts being recovered and accounts associated with the person doing the recoveries all get banned.
@@nathanpeterson5609indica was banned for saying mean words outside of the game, not recoveries
@@ThreshyNeonz That is why he was kicked from Clan Redeem and ostracized from the community. Around a year later he was caught doing account recoveries and was actually banned from the game.
Saying bad stuff outside the game wont get you banned from D2. That is not in the ban policy.
@@ThreshyNeonz me when i spread misinformation on the internet
I don't condone cheating in asepct. But ya'll remember game shark?
I have WeMod which I use for single player, offline games. I always make sure its off if I'm running online multiplayer or single player games!
half the time, Destiny and other games that are fully online multiplayer won't even launch if I have WeMod up and running.
@@casartherandom3010Thats why I make sure its closed completely from task manager! As not to risk any false positives.
I feel inclined to answer on the question why a memory editor got flagged and not xims, net limiter, and ring one cheats. The simple answer is within the programs coding which is known as a bypass. it'll spoof itself and the anticheat wont detect it even during direct use. And when the game updates, the developers will run codes/ processes until its not flagged in the system. I'm not a programmer so i dont exactly know how it works but I've modded my singleplayer games for years and you just gotta be careful.
Bungie is bullcrap company. Ive lost my main account like 3-4 years ago for "hacking" what do you even hack in destiny 2. They said the same thing to me, blah blah blah case close. Still don't know to this day what triggered it, only thing I could think of was a ini for eft which is like a script to initialize EFT back when it was terrible and a lot of people use ini.exe, but that just me grasping at straws because I have no clue. But it fine I just got a alt account for destiny 2 only
I use Cheat Engine both in offline, single player games and also in the past when I was a developer. It's a memory editor and not just for cheats (although most people use it for that I imagine).
It was running in the background once, unbeknownst to me, and I couldn't get in to D2 at all. Unsure how Cruz managed to get in to play some strikes. Either way, Cruz could've used it in D2 but he would've had to know exactly how to find and edit the memory addresses for D2 and it doesn't seem like Cruz has this knowledge. I feel for him.
a friend got banned for using mods in Lethal Company (he opened the game with the mod engine while d2 was opened and boom paraboom he is banned)
surely…
ok but why would he open lethal company without closing d2 first, he can't play both at the same time
@@epicgaming11195 who's to say? bro might have a nuclear grade machine
@@themoltenedge1148 i didn't say he couldn't _run_ them at the same time, i said he couldn't _play_ them at the same time
He definitely guilty.
But hey, I got perma-banned because I was modding Bioshock offline, I knew it wouldn't work on Destiny at all but thought "what the heck, wouldn't it be cool to have a weapon with a 9999 level just to see it" and tried it, nothing happened naturally, then an hour later I was banned lol
He fucked around and found out. He can just make a new account though
A form of artmoney was used by someone in helldivers to see if it would work. Not saying it can be used in destiny. But it’s not just single player games.
No it isn't just single player games, but if you know how it works then you can make that claim pretty easy as the games that are multiplayer that it would work on are not MMOs, unless there are MMOs that run their core functions in YOUR harddrive
That is the issue, you CANNOT edit ANYTHING in a live game, in a game that is getting all its information from Blizzard servers, with this software
Even a Blizzard amin on the Destiny 2 servers couldn't use a crude 'cheat engine' style editor so access isn't an issue, the software isn't made for MMOs
I am not a cheater but i work in cyber security and i know about the current version of battleeye. If you go and rename the program and replace references to its name to its new name across the files, you can bypass it. This applies to cheat engines and lag tools etc
this would have been resolved if bungie would just review game footage when people report cheating.
It's Game Genie for PC games for all my OG's who remember Game Genie and were young enough at the time not to know how the black magic worked. Game Genie essentially did this working memory trick for NES games.
Can it change how much ammo you have? Like more heavy at the final stand in a boss fight?
No
No. Everything is server sided. You cannot change hex values in D2.
No the tool is completely useless in d2 it won't hook anything. It works on single player games not multi-player. He could not have used that program to cheat
No sec hand programs period
no one understands how it works though. this program is already intrinsically blocked by BattlEye. it opens a usermode handle with read/write memory permission. BattlEye strips those before they can even touch the game. Their anticheat dosent do anything to stop actual cheaters and their using a big streamer to make an example… BattlEye’s kernel mode detections werent updated for 2.5 years. neither BattlEye or Bungie actually do their job because in perspective EACs free version is updated A MINIMUM of 2 times a week. please dont support bungie…
i love that screenshot of the TOS and it floating around especially because i have yet to see it in any other way than that screenshot, not in any official bungie statements or in their TOS
It looks like a comment not even formatted as a TOS, it’s like an individual sent it
dude.. artmoney is basically used the same way cheat engine is used. Im well aware what it is and all i got to say is RIP BONZO
I don't fucking believe anyone who unironically calls himself honest, much less after a certain known player been found cheating. What might have happen is that he tried to be a smart ass and got flagged. But since the ban can be delayed, it wasn't immediately obvious.
Having a memory editor on the background is not the same as using it either, so i have even less reason to believe any of this bullshit.
Sorry if this sounds mean, but the amount of red flags from this is just astronomical.
some one i used to raid with got perma banned for a cheat engine they had installed for a pokemon rom that would let them have infinite rare candy's amd masterballs.
So he was in fact cheating…
That’s the fact.
Destiny banned him because they detected it.
Case close.
Failing to see the confusion.
About that thing...reporting cheaters, and think they are still running without problems.
Bannings cheaters often goes in waves. To make the creators of the cheats pulling strings.
If the creator of a cheater tests his cheat and gets banned instant..he can search, and try again. He tries again he doesn't get banned, he fixed the detection issue.
By making the ban waves irregular, ik makes for the creators very hard to figure out what is that makes their cheating software detectable.
He broke the rules and got banned... Don't be stupid and you won't get banned 🤷🤣
artmoney simply doesn’t work for server sided games at all, i used to use something similar called ‘game guardian’ on mobile and it worked for every offline game but any single game that connects to online-it simply doesn’t work
i do think bungie with their TOS is valid to ban them for running a cheat engine, even though the cheat engine wouldn’t work at all for destiny or any online game
i feel like for this specific situation, he should be unbanned but bungie does have the justification needed to not do so
Some online games do store user data on the players pc but it would still be incredibly easy to detect and it's clearly meant for offline games
Games are ment to be played as is no 3rd party software see ya good job Bungie
You are assuming this was just a one-time thing. With a player as popular and well-known as this guy, Bungie spent MONTHS looking at his gameplay and data. Moderating his every live data stream with a fine-comb. Bungie did not say what cheating program was detected, it was Cruz, so it could have been anything.
Love this guy. Don't play D2 anymore but this is accurate. Plausibility always exists, though it's always possible that non intended programs can fall into a potential threat for even the "laziest" anti cheat. I commonly use file injection software for work and due to the nature of the program, it has been picked up by various styles of anti cheat although has absolutely no use in cheating in games none the less online games. I don't think this guy intended to alter his D2 experiences in anyway with a meh value search program
Yeah, he's a cheater and deserves what he got. Good riddance. 👍
Too bad it wasn't Salt.
Surprised I haven't gotten banned then. While I do keep a very tidy computer as far as programs and such, I run all kinds Hex Editors, Cheat Engine, and game file manipulators for very much the same reasons, QoL tweaks for older games or editing game files to adjust FOV, Ultra Widescreen support, etc.
You Have Ears Aztecross WTF!!!!!
I think the security team knows more than anyone, if they reviewed it and verified it then it was a problem for them.
i laughed at the "nobody is getting banned for overlays" cuz if my memory serves me this has happened in the early days of destiny 2 where people got banned for some overlay things its one of the reasons i dont use any overlays anymore cuz its not worth the false positive
Hm he could have duplicated bright dust
I love the up close format Cross has been using. Makes the videos feel that much more intimate.
We all want to be intimate with cross
Weirdo
these social media “influencers” and streamers with their twitch chat simps are too cringy
Intimate probably isn’t the best way to phrase that buddy 😂
Maybe more like “makes it feel like we’re having an actual conversation”…
so someone got banned for breaking the games TOS that he agreed to and is now complaining about it. ok.
Brain dead take
@@kumph5385 I wanna go braindead while you rail me
so they can ban this but someone hacking in matches for weeks dont get ban lol what a joke
So no one has heard of cheatengine in this generation? These hex editor programs can't be used on Destiny 2, it would have to access the company server directly to edit any existing values because the values aren't changeable or even accessibly on the client side
Ive dabbled in hex ids you can infact change more than currency if you have the knowledge on it this includes any in game item, have I done it myself though? the answer to this is no have I done it in other games? Yes I have.
Here's the issue with "just don't keep stuff on your computer ..." many people, especially college students or those new to IT/Cybersecurity industry have applications for forensics, network monitoring, security, and all that (Heck I have a ton of SANS apps and AI apps loaded) have a single computer. Just by how intrusive Anti-cheat is becoming just having those are now becoming SUS or a violation. Sure don't run them while gaming but if you have them installed and NOT running how is that a violation? Does Anti-Cheat NOT violate privacy rights? What about how anti-cheat is now looking not only at running memory and installed apps but also able to identify and determine credential tokens and what URLs you are visiting while gaming and determine if you are even watching a movie. There needs to be a defined line of what anti-cheat is allowed to look at; needs to stay within the games sandbox. But more and more devs are just making their TOS to be all inclusive and screw the gamers/consumers rights.
Thing is if the program exists in memeory but IS NOT attachted or reading destiny 2 memeory then CHANGING it, then this guy should not have been banned.
Bungie have no rights to scan my computer and see what other programs are running. That is a huge invasion of privacy, and seems like it could be used to sue the fuck out of bungie.
Bungie being overly cautious is how a security team works. Cheats are literally disguised as other software so bungie banning for Artmoney accidentally being on is just a stupid choice for Cruz to "accidentally" have left on. Long story short, people might be mad at Bungie, but its Cruz's fault for not taking extra precautions and trying to use social media to blame bungie for literally doing their job.
The only problem with forgiving it. Is people may come out of the woodwork trying to dispute, with the same excuse.
It’s a double edged sword especially because this person is a streamer, because if no one else gets the same treatment it’s “favoritism”
This is why we read before agreeing to anything.
Programms like cheat engine don't work on server based games as say you try to change a currncy in game if it dont aline with the information they have on there server it does nothing but this ban is crazy ngl
the reason why people still tend to see cheaters despite there being anti cheat is because bans are typically done in waves (not always for more common programs)
pirate software went over this in a video and it's pretty interesting.
the summary is basically, doing bans in waves hurt the guys who sell cheats a lot more because it causes people to do charge backs for the cheats they bought all at once, which screws them over financially.
I wish Bungie would look for cheats programs in their game instead of your computer
I feel like clarifying won't be as disastrous as Bungo really thinks it'll be.
"We have it on record that he was manipulating currency."
"We have it on record that he was manipulating infinite Heavy."
Etc. They think if they say: "Hey. You were clearly aimbotting." They think cheat software engineers will be like: "DANG THEY CAUGHT THIS EXACT LINE OF CODE AT THIS EXACT POINT.
It doesn't matter at all when most cheaters are using a spare PC to run it.
big huge DIFFERSANCE IN MODS & hEX/mEMORY EDITORS..... USED ONE back in the day on the original diablo. it litteraly let me asigns the damage value an item or spell would do.. Give myself max gold & health & mana... or any armor or weapon i wanted it was game breaking lol..
Me: bought horizon vista for ps5 so I could have 4 back buttons on my controller. Never used a mod in my life. Sony blocks it (couldn't they just block mods instead of the whole thing?) & I'm out $60 I spent cuz its so much more comfortable for my hands to use back buttons.
Then there's ppl using cheat software & get away with it for 10 yrs & get worlds 1st a # of x's. Yup. That's fair. Also, Sony, how u gonna have a $200 controller with only 2 paddles? Booo!
I refuse to judge both parties. But I feel like Bungie wouldn’t just axe such and esteemed community member without good reason. Also all is fair in love and TOS. TOS are built to be iron clad and at the end of the day companies have the right to fully enforce . Harsh ? Absolutely. But there’s a million and one ways to not get banned and the easiest is TO NOT HAVE SOMETHING EASILY CLASSIFIABLE AS A CHEAT ENGINE RUNNING WHILE PLAYING D2 .
This is reeaaally scary! I use Cheat Engine a LOT for OLD games I want to playthrough quickly for nostalgia etc. I rarely remember to turn it off, and can switch from playing an old solo game to jump onto D2 when my friends call. I'm surprised I haven't been banned already! I can try to keep it off, but inevitably it's eventually going to be on at some point... this is WORRYSOME
The reall question has he been banned before and how many times?? Could be a good info the convo is missing
He played it for 10 years. Why would he use an easily-flaggable cheat now? He clearly forgot (this ONE time) to close it after using it on a different game.
These companies have no souls.
The other dude you're talking about was found with PVP cheats. Is this a PVP cheat? >.>
Any memory debug program is cheating hahahahahhahaha doesn't matter what you say he cheated & its good that he got banned because he 100% use cheats.
I wish they’d separate pc from console players. Pvp players on PC have an undeniable advantage using M&K and on top of that, PC cheats are readily available. You know I right when you play a console lobby and then a PC lobby. It’s NIGHT AND DAY.
Im jus gonna say this: If youre cheatring in an online multiplayer game FOR PROFIT, youre a scumbag and should be in prison. However, Bungie banning anyone for modding or cheating in a game that is NOT Destiny, is revealing in that it clearly shows this person was in Bungies crosshairs for a long time, and Bungie was essentially salivating for any reason to justify taking down their target.
There can be anything running in the background on PC's for the simple fact that Destiny isnt the only game gamers play (Shocker I know), Nor is it the only thing PEOPLE do on their PC's... and any normal individual(s) working in the gaming industry would logically take that into consideration ESPECIALLY when that Software has Not a F'n thing to do with Destiny.
But this is what happens when yall D-Ride Bungie throwing "Massive W's" in every thread on everything they post or do. At some point youd think youd look in the mirror and realize yalls contribution to Bungie's massive disconnection from the player base... or even most times, Reality.
I think Bungies anti cheat software should warn you if you have a background program running that could result in a ban.
On opening D2 you get a popup "D2 anti cheat has detected ArtMoney, this application may result in a permanent ban"
This would eliminate the I accidentally left it running argument. Leaving them free to hand out bans with no potential false positives.
I'm a game developer programmer, I use software that could be used for similar things for work. I would be devastated to cop a ban cause I innocently left something running in the background.
I haven't played Destiny in a while, but what bothers about this is that:
He was not found to having USED the program to cheat, it was just found running whilst he was playing.
There's no evidence he used it on Destiny, just that he had a VERY low-level cheating program active.
These types of low-level cheats aren't meant to be competitive cheat, they're not there to conceal themselves which is why a VERY BAD anti-cheat like BattleEye could pick it up.
It doesn't even hide itself, because it's used for single player games where it's not needed to hide. There's no deception involved.
I make modpacks for friends for Lethal Company, to test out my pack I use a mod that gives me infinite money to go to planets and gives me invincibility and a testroom for debugging.
Would that then be considered a cheat for Destiny? No. It's not meant for that, and they know that.
My point is, there's no evidence of him using it, it makes no sense of him using it, and yet there's plenty of actual cheaters out there going about aimbotting and hacking that don't get caught, this is so pointless to stick behind TOS, BUT DID HE CHEAT?! No. Then what's the problem? If the anti-cheat would shut Destiny down, sure. but banning.. Nah.
I don't understand why bungie doesn't just BUY THE CHEATS people are selling and reverse engineer them. I LITTERALY know like 3 different websites where you can buy cheats. ITS ALL JUST RIGHT THERE. BUNGIE DO SOMETHING!
I mean I can't blame Bungie for banning him but it really do just be just setting an example. It's like walking through TSA with an unloaded Glock in your waistband, completely forgetting it was there. Simply having it, loaded or not, in your waistband, will get you in a fucked position. The excuse of forgetting or it being harmless will never cut it. Punishment will need to be handed out otherwise it'll be taken advantage of. Just remember if you're using full on memory editing and debugging cheats, they are significantly different from the vast vast majority of modding you understand like Steam Workshop or most of NexusMods/Thunderstore. Especially if the software is not a single target software and can be applied to anything, there'll literally be no such thing as a false positive for a ban since its existence alone while Destiny 2 is open will be registered as cheating. Anti-cheat can't detect if it works with Destiny 2, only what it is and what it can do (at least in regards to this type of software).
Seems pretty simple to me. Close your "offline" cheat tools prior to running Destiny 2 and Battleye won't detect them. How is Battleye supposed to know that the cheat tool was for another game and not Destiny 2? If Bungie allowed everyone a single "oops I forgot to close it!" excuse to get out of a ban, how long would it take for someone to say "but I deserve ONE MORE chance!" and then another, and another, and another?
Honestly, Bungie is trash for this either way. You have a blanket slate for any "cheat" software and if his claim is legit, then a PERMABAN is just way over the top. If he's not innocent, then he's not, and that's that. Bungie is TRASH because like TH-cam's poor algorithm, it's either not catching people actually cheating on a constant basis in Destiny, or it flags small programs that oh, they're on, but they're not doing anything at all. You can't blanket ban people, that doesn't fix anything and it's counterproductive when there's daily videos of "Cheaters in Trials" for years.
I mean but your point...."what's he doing doubling enhancement cores?" Doesn't excuse the action...IF that's something he's doing, THAT is a violation of ToS...thats the problem with some millenials, gen z etc...and I'm a millennial as a preface.... want to get away with shit that's clearly spelled out as a violation of the rules, then wanna both sides shit, then wanna absolve mofos cause "if they're only doubling enhancement cores" it's a slippery slope, if you allow THAT cheating, then ALL cheating should be allowed. No he violated the rules, caught a ban, sorry for ya.