Loving the fact that the most game changing, most important vote in Survivor history, vote that carved the entire game and the first vote ever casted in show history... is "Souna"
This was high quality analysis. Loved the ending with Sonja. Crazy to think Rich on House of Villains is the sameish age as Sonja on Survivor. I think this was one of your best videos to my memory !
The one for me that changes the course of Survivor history is Ciera's flip in Blood vs. Water. For years we had seen stable alliances just run the game, with really only Philippines being the exception. One vote flip at the final six, thanks in large part to Hayden Moss, brought us one of the most memorable (and meme-able moments in the show's history) and put us on the pathway we're on now to big moves, big spectacles, and big moments. Also, RIP Sonja. I can't help but smile seeing her on screen. Such a bundle of joy and seemed like a wonderful woman. Enjoy that great tribal in the sky. I'm sure the lord has an immunity necklace for you.
In Game Changers, if JT doesn't tell the Mana tribe that they were voting for Sierra, the she likely goes home, Sierra gives the Legacy Advantage to Brad, and Sarah has no protection at advantaggeddon. Not to mention that Malcolm stays in the game, meaning that Mana probably goes to tribal again, and considering that all 5 Mana members who were at the split tribal made the merge, the entire merge portion of the game is completely different. All of this happened because Jeff Varner blew the immunity challenge at the end, there was a split tribal to begin with (becuase Mana then goes to tribal alone), and because JT ended up on the same tribe as Sandra. Had just one those things been different, it would change the game, and Sarah likely doesn't win the season, even though all of what I said seemingly has nothing to do with her.
Personally I think the Final 9 vote is the most consequential vote, butterfly effect-wise. If Brandon does end up sticking with Samburu and voting Lex out, Ethan likely doesn't win Africa, Lex probably isn't brought back for All-Stars, All-Stars plays out completely differently with a different cast make-up, the drama with Rob and Lex doesn't happen, Boston Rob's (and Ambers) Survivor/Amazing Race legacy is probably different...there's just so much to Lex being saved by Brandon in Africa
Don’t forget, the final 9 situation in Africa wouldn’t have happened if T-Bird hadn’t voted for Lex at final 10 after promising Clarence she wouldn’t vote for him, thus causing Lex to grow paranoid and go on a witch hunt against the person who cast that lone vote against him (he thought it was Kelly).
If Wu voted out Tony, would people be talking about Tony regretting voting out Spencer who figured out it was going to be a 2 person FTC and promised he would take him to the final?
I don't think Spencer would take Tony (just no reason to when taking Kass is a lock), but even if he did, Spencer was the biggest jury threat in the game. He absolutely had to go. He had also won three immunity challenges, so he was a huge threat to win the final immunity challenge if Tony left him in the game. Voting him out was 100% the right move. And Tony never should have been in a final two in the first place. He easily wins a Tony/Woo/Kass Final Tribal Council.
@@bigbuffguy9589 Why should he have never been in a final 2? It was set up as a final 2 season, Spencer saw it with the phrasing before it was officially announced. Him being a immunity threat is why Tony should have kept him. Tony put himself in a position where he should have had to win immunity in order to make final 2. If Spencer made his promise public and then turned back on it, it could have been disaster.
If Woo votes out Tony then what should have been the first great new school season ends with its best player being screwed by a last minute rule change. When the same thing happened to Cirie, it still produced a worthy champion in Parvati. But put Tony on the jury bench having to choose between two nobodies and, coming off the heels of the dark age seasons, I think the anticlimax would be bitter enough to prevent the renaissance from happening.
Agreed, except Cirie was miles better than Parvati in Micronesia. It was and is a tragedy that Cirie got robbed. It nearly happened again in Cagayan, but Tony's skill and Woo's loyalty averted it. Notice that production has not messed around with surprise final twos ever since. They found other ways to deal with medevacs (e.g. Michele voting Neal off the jury).
@@bigbuffguy9589I do think Cirie was better than Parvati that year, but at least there’s a debate to be had. Either Woo or Kass winning Tony’s season would be completely unsatisfying.
@@johnbrewer62I’m not at all convinced you _could_ make Woo look better. If there was better stuff on the cutting room floor than what we got, well that’s just a travesty.
If production didn't tell Chet he'd be medivaced after the next vote Tracy would have had Erik and Ami on her side to Blindside Ozzy. If that happens Tracy likely becomes the most powerful player in the game. The merge tribe is way different, the fans and favorites are likely even, and the vote that gave the Black Widoe Brigade their power doesn't happen. The first person who successfully had the votes to Blindside Ozzy was Tracy Hughes-Wolfe.🎉
Lex promising Rob that he would save Amber was stupid and even Rob said in a confessional that he wouldn’t keep him because would you really believe that 😂
The Gabe vote is such a deep cut, and legitimately that important. Maybe the purple rock draw vote in Marquesas as well, but that aside, I think they're all here.
Nice to see some gameplay analysis of early Survivor. So much modern "discourse" on it boils down to "lol alphabet strategy" and "lol, they thought alliances were immoral." I'm not saying the gameplay itself is as sophisticated as in later years, but I DO maintain that it's more interesting than it's given credit for, and it's fascinating to see how it led to the style of play seen in more recent eras.
Apparently Sonia another reason Sonia got voted out was because she stumbled on the challenge which happened because one of the shoe sponsors damaged her feet and the socks didn’t help in the water
Faith and a vote, for rob and amber. Colleen and elizabeth had to decline for amber to be in the all star season and lex had to safe amber. Damn amber was meant to win
The Boston Rob/Lex/vote betrayal for me makes all stars a top 15 season of all time. For starters it was happening when I as a kid was most infatuated with it, watching it with my mom, ice cream every Wednesday. Those core memories surround the first 8 seasons so much. But also, just for how real it was. Stakes were at their highest and lines were blurred. It was and still is just so fascinating.
Looking back lex and Kathy betrayed Jerri (who was speaking truths all season mind you), only to be heartbroken by someone that they knew couldn’t trust long term. They got what they deserved in my opinion. But watching that season live was hard and it did feel so personal
I think Australia is worth a mention with the past votes tiebreaker rule. If that wasn’t the tiebreaker, then who knows how different things would’ve been at the Mitchell and Varner votes.
The one that comes to mind for me is season 2 when Kimmi voted for Jeff Varner when she was voted out. Had she not placed that vote, the merge tie vote between Colby and Jeff may have gone Kucha’s way and given them control over the rest of the game. Maybe then we wouldn’t have seen Tina (and eventually her daughter Katie), Colby, Amber, or Jerri in so many subsequent seasons.
I thought the Sonja vote was also significant for setting the precedent of “vote out the older lady first to keep the tribe strong”. Next two seasons also had an older lady go first (although Kim Johnson was older than Diane). And in marquesas the older lady went second. If Sonja didn’t go first, future players may not have been conditioned to vote based on physical strength
Survivor 45 could have ended with a tie if Katurah voted for Austin instead of Dee. Not that I would want that to happen necessarily, just curious on what appens when there's a tie and considering this season was close. Dee's one of my favorite winners, also I agree loved seeing sweet Sonya's footage at the ending of the video :)
Lex and Kathy saving Amber is unquestionably the most important vote in the history of Survivor, and arguably the most important moment in ALL of reality competition shows.
Woo’s move wasn’t great for his personal chance to win, but it was great for Survivor history. Tony was chaotic, yet a great strategist and great for entertainment. Of course, he went on to win WoW and his game was awesome that season.
For HvV i thought the Courtney boot was a lot more crucial, it was either Sandra or Courtney completely at the mercy of Russells alliance and they decided to vote out Courtney, and then Sandra went on to win. Or even the Coach boot because Sandra managed to persuade Russell Coach was conspiring against him saving her for another round. I don’t see how the Tyson boot (albeit epic) was the important one here
I know Neil Gaiman, went to school with his daughter Maddie: Fun Fact, hed write down her dreams every morning when he realized they were forming a narrative, and then... Coraline!
So while the tyson vote was important no doubt when talking about Sandra I think the final 7 vote pit of Danielle is arguably more important cause it they had voted put Sandra there instead or another plan Parvati likely wins the season against Russell and Danielle or it's a closer situation if jerri wins final immunity in the original timeline Genuinely don't know who of Russell Parvati or Sandra wpild get voted put
It was definitely impactful because it meant that Parvati could no longer win, as she needed exactly Russell and Danielle at Final Tribal Council (she loses to Jerri as well as Sandra, not to mention Colby). But no one was targeting Sandra at that point, so she wouldn't have gone home. Parvati and Danielle wanted to vote out Rupert, but Russell convinced Jerri to vote out Danielle at tribal. Sandra conning Russell into voting out Coach was also huge, as that allowed Sandra to make the merge.
I just never understood why the 6 alliance in HvV had Tyson and someone voting for Parvati swap votes so it stays 3-3-3 and Tyson gets his satisfaction of voting for Parvati.
me: ooo a new peridiam video to take my mind off the election
video: “HOW A SINGLE VOTE CHANGED”
That is the pain of life
Woo: *votes out Kass*
Tony: *wins 2 seasons and 3 million dollars*
I view that situation a little different its more Woo wins a challenge and Tony wins 3 million dollars
@@chuck2469 Woo wins a challenge and then loss $900k
That ending clip was the sweetest thing ever. RIP Sonja, Survivor was lucky to have someone so special be part of its history.
I love how that bird just kept poking his head into frame
RIP Sonja. You were a delight.
Yeah she was.
Had me out here fucking crying in the club
OMG, Sonja was so sweet in that short final footage from the end of this video :D
i know right? adorable
Loving the fact that the most game changing, most important vote in Survivor history, vote that carved the entire game and the first vote ever casted in show history... is "Souna"
A big reason why Jerri jumped ship over to Russell’s side after Tyson was voted out was to get back at Rob for all stars too
Oh wow! I didn’t know about this but totally makes sense.
This was high quality analysis. Loved the ending with Sonja. Crazy to think Rich on House of Villains is the sameish age as Sonja on Survivor. I think this was one of your best videos to my memory
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RIP Ms Sonja Christopher.. she will be sorely missed
Imagine how much the Survivor timeline AND a Big Brother season's timeline changes if Casaya votes out Cirie over Melinda.
Or even over Tina. Imagine a universe where Cirie is the first boot in one season.
Imagine an alternative universe where Pastor John from Thailand would have been the next Boston rob or Hatch, and we would never know
@@freddytang2128 Sean or Fairplay probably gets Boston Rob's spot. No way Fairplay wins. No clue how well Sean does. but probably doesn't win.
The tonal difference in Jeff saying "The tribe has spoken" between season 1 and 47 is crazy!
That ending clip made me tear up a bit. Rip to a legend 😭🙏
The one for me that changes the course of Survivor history is Ciera's flip in Blood vs. Water. For years we had seen stable alliances just run the game, with really only Philippines being the exception. One vote flip at the final six, thanks in large part to Hayden Moss, brought us one of the most memorable (and meme-able moments in the show's history) and put us on the pathway we're on now to big moves, big spectacles, and big moments.
Also, RIP Sonja. I can't help but smile seeing her on screen. Such a bundle of joy and seemed like a wonderful woman. Enjoy that great tribal in the sky. I'm sure the lord has an immunity necklace for you.
🙌🏼 “thank you, Woo man”
sonja is an absolutely sweet & kind person rest in peace
Marquesas is so underrated. I remember being so excited on the Rotu 4 flip watching it live since we had never seen it before.
In Game Changers, if JT doesn't tell the Mana tribe that they were voting for Sierra, the she likely goes home, Sierra gives the Legacy Advantage to Brad, and Sarah has no protection at advantaggeddon. Not to mention that Malcolm stays in the game, meaning that Mana probably goes to tribal again, and considering that all 5 Mana members who were at the split tribal made the merge, the entire merge portion of the game is completely different.
All of this happened because Jeff Varner blew the immunity challenge at the end, there was a split tribal to begin with (becuase Mana then goes to tribal alone), and because JT ended up on the same tribe as Sandra.
Had just one those things been different, it would change the game, and Sarah likely doesn't win the season, even though all of what I said seemingly has nothing to do with her.
JT didn't keep his mouth shut. :'(
what a beautiful tribute to sonja. i was almost moved to tears.
I was just thinking about Woo the other day. Survivor owes a lot to Woo and his integrity
I knew Richard was thinking ahead with that rogue vote. I see Borneo was somewhat strategic from the beginning, it just wasn't edited to be that way.
Personally I think the Final 9 vote is the most consequential vote, butterfly effect-wise. If Brandon does end up sticking with Samburu and voting Lex out, Ethan likely doesn't win Africa, Lex probably isn't brought back for All-Stars, All-Stars plays out completely differently with a different cast make-up, the drama with Rob and Lex doesn't happen, Boston Rob's (and Ambers) Survivor/Amazing Race legacy is probably different...there's just so much to Lex being saved by Brandon in Africa
Don’t forget, the final 9 situation in Africa wouldn’t have happened if T-Bird hadn’t voted for Lex at final 10 after promising Clarence she wouldn’t vote for him, thus causing Lex to grow paranoid and go on a witch hunt against the person who cast that lone vote against him (he thought it was Kelly).
spencer's reaction at 3:30 will always be so funny to me
If Wu voted out Tony, would people be talking about Tony regretting voting out Spencer who figured out it was going to be a 2 person FTC and promised he would take him to the final?
I don't think Spencer would take Tony (just no reason to when taking Kass is a lock), but even if he did, Spencer was the biggest jury threat in the game. He absolutely had to go. He had also won three immunity challenges, so he was a huge threat to win the final immunity challenge if Tony left him in the game. Voting him out was 100% the right move. And Tony never should have been in a final two in the first place. He easily wins a Tony/Woo/Kass Final Tribal Council.
@@bigbuffguy9589 Why should he have never been in a final 2? It was set up as a final 2 season, Spencer saw it with the phrasing before it was officially announced.
Him being a immunity threat is why Tony should have kept him. Tony put himself in a position where he should have had to win immunity in order to make final 2. If Spencer made his promise public and then turned back on it, it could have been disaster.
Well he's a guy so
If Woo votes out Tony then what should have been the first great new school season ends with its best player being screwed by a last minute rule change. When the same thing happened to Cirie, it still produced a worthy champion in Parvati. But put Tony on the jury bench having to choose between two nobodies and, coming off the heels of the dark age seasons, I think the anticlimax would be bitter enough to prevent the renaissance from happening.
If woo voted Tony out he’d have a better edit, and Kass even worse
Agreed, except Cirie was miles better than Parvati in Micronesia. It was and is a tragedy that Cirie got robbed. It nearly happened again in Cagayan, but Tony's skill and Woo's loyalty averted it. Notice that production has not messed around with surprise final twos ever since. They found other ways to deal with medevacs (e.g. Michele voting Neal off the jury).
@@bigbuffguy9589I do think Cirie was better than Parvati that year, but at least there’s a debate to be had. Either Woo or Kass winning Tony’s season would be completely unsatisfying.
@@johnbrewer62I’m not at all convinced you _could_ make Woo look better. If there was better stuff on the cutting room floor than what we got, well that’s just a travesty.
If production didn't tell Chet he'd be medivaced after the next vote Tracy would have had Erik and Ami on her side to Blindside Ozzy.
If that happens Tracy likely becomes the most powerful player in the game. The merge tribe is way different, the fans and favorites are likely even, and the vote that gave the Black Widoe Brigade their power doesn't happen.
The first person who successfully had the votes to Blindside Ozzy was Tracy Hughes-Wolfe.🎉
Today is a great day to have a video about voting.
Haven't even finished the video but I know we need another 5
Great video Peridiam.. per usual
This is a great video. Good job!
Thank you for posting the video.
Lex promising Rob that he would save Amber was stupid and even Rob said in a confessional that he wouldn’t keep him because would you really believe that 😂
0:51 Oh wow, I never knew Vytas was at his brother's aftershow.
The Gabe vote is such a deep cut, and legitimately that important. Maybe the purple rock draw vote in Marquesas as well, but that aside, I think they're all here.
Nice to see some gameplay analysis of early Survivor. So much modern "discourse" on it boils down to "lol alphabet strategy" and "lol, they thought alliances were immoral." I'm not saying the gameplay itself is as sophisticated as in later years, but I DO maintain that it's more interesting than it's given credit for, and it's fascinating to see how it led to the style of play seen in more recent eras.
Apparently Sonia another reason Sonia got voted out was because she stumbled on the challenge which happened because one of the shoe sponsors damaged her feet and the socks didn’t help in the water
I waited for this video for AGES❤
Faith and a vote, for rob and amber. Colleen and elizabeth had to decline for amber to be in the all star season and lex had to safe amber. Damn amber was meant to win
The Boston Rob/Lex/vote betrayal for me makes all stars a top 15 season of all time. For starters it was happening when I as a kid was most infatuated with it, watching it with my mom, ice cream every Wednesday. Those core memories surround the first 8 seasons so much. But also, just for how real it was. Stakes were at their highest and lines were blurred. It was and still is just so fascinating.
Looking back lex and Kathy betrayed Jerri (who was speaking truths all season mind you), only to be heartbroken by someone that they knew couldn’t trust long term. They got what they deserved in my opinion.
But watching that season live was hard and it did feel so personal
Q not taking that girl to Applebee's
Great timing
I think Australia is worth a mention with the past votes tiebreaker rule. If that wasn’t the tiebreaker, then who knows how different things would’ve been at the Mitchell and Varner votes.
They were too hard on Woo. If you wanna lose to a better player in the end. It's not stupid. It's selfless.
This video seems quite topical
"Every vote counts" where was this when we needed it yesterday 😢
My hats off to Wu for giving us a true legend! Bringing a corpse to the final is so boring and leads to some of the most undesreving wins!
1:35 the genius reference? 🤔
Honestly I thought it was gonna be the Gretchen vote
22:39 Made me tear up. Sonja is so sweet 🥹
Woo did the right thing!
But ended up costing his own win by taking tony to the end
Too soon man. Too soon
The one that comes to mind for me is season 2 when Kimmi voted for Jeff Varner when she was voted out. Had she not placed that vote, the merge tie vote between Colby and Jeff may have gone Kucha’s way and given them control over the rest of the game. Maybe then we wouldn’t have seen Tina (and eventually her daughter Katie), Colby, Amber, or Jerri in so many subsequent seasons.
Laurel voting in a FTC tie breaker feels like an important one to mention!
I thought the Sonja vote was also significant for setting the precedent of “vote out the older lady first to keep the tribe strong”. Next two seasons also had an older lady go first (although Kim Johnson was older than Diane). And in marquesas the older lady went second. If Sonja didn’t go first, future players may not have been conditioned to vote based on physical strength
Saving Cirie at her first tribal council, Parvati at her first Micronesia tribal council.
Survivor 45 could have ended with a tie if Katurah voted for Austin instead of Dee. Not that I would want that to happen necessarily, just curious on what appens when there's a tie and considering this season was close. Dee's one of my favorite winners, also I agree loved seeing sweet Sonya's footage at the ending of the video :)
Lex and Kathy saving Amber is unquestionably the most important vote in the history of Survivor, and arguably the most important moment in ALL of reality competition shows.
I love Sonja. What a spirit
Woo’s move wasn’t great for his personal chance to win, but it was great for Survivor history. Tony was chaotic, yet a great strategist and great for entertainment. Of course, he went on to win WoW and his game was awesome that season.
For HvV i thought the Courtney boot was a lot more crucial, it was either Sandra or Courtney completely at the mercy of Russells alliance and they decided to vote out Courtney, and then Sandra went on to win. Or even the Coach boot because Sandra managed to persuade Russell Coach was conspiring against him saving her for another round. I don’t see how the Tyson boot (albeit epic) was the important one here
I know Neil Gaiman, went to school with his daughter Maddie: Fun Fact, hed write down her dreams every morning when he realized they were forming a narrative, and then... Coraline!
So while the tyson vote was important no doubt when talking about Sandra I think the final 7 vote pit of Danielle is arguably more important cause it they had voted put Sandra there instead or another plan Parvati likely wins the season against Russell and Danielle or it's a closer situation if jerri wins final immunity in the original timeline
Genuinely don't know who of Russell Parvati or Sandra wpild get voted put
It was definitely impactful because it meant that Parvati could no longer win, as she needed exactly Russell and Danielle at Final Tribal Council (she loses to Jerri as well as Sandra, not to mention Colby). But no one was targeting Sandra at that point, so she wouldn't have gone home. Parvati and Danielle wanted to vote out Rupert, but Russell convinced Jerri to vote out Danielle at tribal. Sandra conning Russell into voting out Coach was also huge, as that allowed Sandra to make the merge.
I just never understood why the 6 alliance in HvV had Tyson and someone voting for Parvati swap votes so it stays 3-3-3 and Tyson gets his satisfaction of voting for Parvati.
Sonja❤
Woo was dumbbbb hahaha
The old seasons were so much better. They actually put effort in to make it cool and different every time. Now its just copy paste season and season