Nightwish interview - Tuomas Holopainen (part 1)

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    Tuomas about not living a dream come true, Angels Fall First, a passion for songwriting, the Decades album, Oceanborn, the evolution of Nightwish, The Poet And The Pendulum.
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    Video interview with songwriter and multi-instrumentalist Tuomas Holopainen from the Finnish symphonic metal band Nightwish. FaceCulture spoke with Tuomas about not living a dream come true, Angels Fall First, a passion for songwriting, the Decades album, Oceanborn, the evolution of Nightwish, The Poet And The Pendulum, line-up changes, not being a control freak, his most essential songs, the big picture, band chemistry, writing new songs for Nightwish, and a lot more! (31/01/2018)
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  • @OzOsgood
    @OzOsgood 5 ปีที่แล้ว +326

    If Tuomas weren't such a master story teller and brilliant musician I think he would make an excellent pirate.

    • @LittleVeni
      @LittleVeni 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Mmm, maybe for what he looks like, but I think he's so much into other treasures than gold coins. :>

    • @zolek78
      @zolek78 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The first bit of the interview seems to indicate that he could have been a marine scientist

    • @Feather92
      @Feather92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah true I thought the same , he looks like pirrate with a sword 😊 love his style

    • @brewswillis9783
      @brewswillis9783 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dread Pirate Tuomas. lol

    • @peterbehringer63
      @peterbehringer63 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also: in another lifetime he could be a cool, calculating visionary CEO of a major company or owner of an innovative. company

  • @SomeYouTubeTraveler
    @SomeYouTubeTraveler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    7:52 "We've been on that 'film music metal' path ever since."
    *I FINALLY KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE NIGHTWISH TO MY FRIENDS*

  • @krisumusic
    @krisumusic 6 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Tuomas is the reason I started learning piano 10 years ago but songwriting itself is why I continued and wrote 9 whole albums. Love you Tuomas for showing me the path.

    • @mikebarnes7441
      @mikebarnes7441 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oooh big shot here wrote 9 albums... I can write 10 albums my next week if I disregard QUALITY

    • @milannikolic1098
      @milannikolic1098 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is a reason I started learning it today!! ❤🎉

  • @begumdogan89
    @begumdogan89 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Tuomas's music made me fall in love with Finland and made me move here! Some people think that I am crazy but never underestimate music's power on someone's life. I held on to Nightwish in my darkest time and changed me as a person in many ways..I hope I can thank him in person one day, but even the thought of it makes my heart beat faster!

  • @bekfasttime7001
    @bekfasttime7001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Tuomas is one of the greatest composers of all time. An absolutely genius mind.

  • @Tirryna
    @Tirryna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Any interview with Tuomas I've seen, he never really looks like he is enjoying himself. This interview, however, I saw a gleam and something whimsical in his eyes and smile. Very very nice to see that!

  • @jeanny2396
    @jeanny2396 5 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    "... the poet and the pendulum, the song, where i literally kill myself, in the song, so that i wouldn't have to do it in real life"💔 poor dear😭

    • @strikebr
      @strikebr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The good thing is he got his pocket well stuffed with a lot of money.

    • @dubm0
      @dubm0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@strikebr You think Chris Cornell and Chester Bennington were poor?
      Millions of dollars (or even a wife + kids) won't help one bit if you feel totally trapped inside your own head.

    • @strikebr
      @strikebr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dubm0 I said the good thing is.
      I didn't mention anything bad.
      I know how depression can be destructive, no need to be a genius for that.
      Tuomas said once how his creative job works: He sucks in all the good feelings, bad feelings, and things happening at the moment, and then he spits it out all that mood in form of songs, leaving nothing inside. It's a nice way to keep negative mood outside and avoidiong depression.

    • @youssefa.2251
      @youssefa.2251 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      From "Tuomas found naked and dead" to the new album's "How's the Heart underneath the silence"
      There's always hope.

  • @shenghanwang6342
    @shenghanwang6342 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Holy shit...Exactly the opposite way I am approaching, I have always dreamed about a career as a musician, but finally succumbed under the glamor of biological science and am recieving the training required for a academic career. From again another aspect, no wonder every Nightwish song for me sounds like "song of myself".

    • @joshcavaradossi4813
      @joshcavaradossi4813 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats the same feeling when Floors end the different songs very similar or same, but i love the ends jajajaja

  • @nightgathering
    @nightgathering 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    What a man. A sheer genious, amazing musician/composer and the writer of such emotional and meaningful lyrics that have embraced my soul so many times. Thank you Tuomas.

  • @Bangieflea
    @Bangieflea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It's rare to find a well prepared, in depth interviewer asking thoughtful questions. Thank you for the work

    • @FaceCulture
      @FaceCulture  4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thank you for your kind words, and for watching of course ;)

  • @christineking5017
    @christineking5017 6 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Wow! This is the most interesting interview from Tuomas, or any other musician/songwriter, I've ever heard. The questions the guy asked were great. Getting all of that introspection on the various Nightwish songs, and albums, is so awesome! Very substantive and deep interview.
    Wow! That stuff Tuomas was talking about concerning the writing of The Poet And The Pendulum was fascinating. I will be listening to that song with newfound insight.
    Tuomas is such a unique and interesting guy. IMO he is one of the very best songwriters today. I have never heard a song from him that I didn't like. There are some that I don't care for as much as others, despite the fact that, on their own, they'd be awesome! They just have to stand up next to his great songs.
    This is the kind of interview that one must view at least twice to make certain they got everything!
    Now on to Part 2!!
    Thanks for posting! : )

  • @predatoria_aquatica
    @predatoria_aquatica 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    The Poet..the best storyteller in music.. his lyrics are just magical.. just my opinion

  • @stimpsonjcat67
    @stimpsonjcat67 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Tuomas complementing other bands...wonderful. Last of the wilds is my favorite Nightwish song as none of us fans can argue about who sang it better.
    Thank you, Tuomas...for all of it.

  • @NettieKay
    @NettieKay 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I have so much respect for him, so interesting that he originally wanted to study science.

    • @Danjo37
      @Danjo37 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Nettie Kay it kind of explains the greatest show on earth. Why he made that song

    • @Mrtheunnameable
      @Mrtheunnameable 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That seems to be common in Nightwish

    • @MikeBenko
      @MikeBenko 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It's not surprising tho. He is clearly a fiercely intelligent person. Intelligent people also tend to be deeply curious, so going into the sciences wouldn't at all have been surprising. Another interesting point is that music is essentially an expressive form of mathematics, it's an established fact that musicians and mathematicians share neurological similarities, they might perceive and express things differently, but they both work on different expressions of the same thing.
      There are a quite a few famed musicians who dable in sciences, Queen's Brian May is an astrophysicists (a published and accomplished one), Brian Cox is a particle physicists and professor, Milo Aukerman punk rocker and molecular biology researcher or more historically Alexander Borodin Romantic composer, chemist and professor.

  • @sccrespoc
    @sccrespoc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    This is by far the best Toumas' interview. I never thought the poet and the pendulum was that important to him

    • @Tyacatt1977
      @Tyacatt1977 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      yes that album was a dark time in his music life....if you see the very last live show w/ Tarja ..u can see just why ..and what happened after that concert..the letter written to Tarja, departing her from the band

    • @Latexi_LMX
      @Latexi_LMX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Poet and The Pendulum, one of my fav NW songs still, seen it live, it is still EPIC

    • @a.molsdal6954
      @a.molsdal6954 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always thought that at the contrary. I think the song is all about Tuomas put into music.

    • @Paul_C
      @Paul_C 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Guess you never experienced the loss of, as it says in the song, 'the shoulder to cry on'? At the same a shame and a blessing...

    • @codyphilips4511
      @codyphilips4511 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Paul_C I dont think the shoulder to cry on was meant as Tarja, it was Nightwish fans. Tuomas puts all his feelings and emotions into his songs, so in a way cries on his listeners shoulder. But after firing Tarja fans were crying themselves, and for him it felt like fans turned against him. So he couldn't cry on the shoulder anymore, cos the shoulder cried more and he felt like whore for the cold world. Like he needed to continue entertaining people that cared more for drama than for his feelings. You can still see some people on comments saying what a horrible person he is, continuing same old fake gossip and spreading lies about him despite many people's experience of meeting him and realising what a kind, gentle person he is.

  • @richardjensen7186
    @richardjensen7186 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "This is my forte." Wowwww, SO true! The evolution of Nightwish, and Toumas, has been a wonderful journey.

  • @itzHastyy
    @itzHastyy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    This is an awesome interview, great questions that actually get Tuomas involved and interested in the topic on a level deeper than just a sentence or so answer. Awesome interviewer, awesome guest, I thoroughly enjoy Nightwish and the rest of Tuomas's work.

    • @evaDrepuS
      @evaDrepuS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was thinking the same thing about the interviewer. Very well thought out questions.

  • @24SparrowJack
    @24SparrowJack 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This man is immensely talented

  • @KateMoondance
    @KateMoondance 6 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    Interviewer: I wanna start with July six...
    Tuomas: ???
    Interviewer: Emm, 1969...
    Tuomas: ...
    Tuomas: 1996
    Interviewer: Whooops, sorry :D
    Seems like interviewer was pretty nervous :)

    • @eruidfhjcvbn
      @eruidfhjcvbn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      or just horny

    • @dentistlinguist6569
      @dentistlinguist6569 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eruidfhjcvbn Lol!

    • @Velarik
      @Velarik 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      dentist linguist 😂

    • @lizzyq7807
      @lizzyq7807 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I would be nervous if i was interviewing Tuomas too! LOL

    • @victoriaalbastra6325
      @victoriaalbastra6325 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Or German... They switch digits in german. It's confusing at times

  • @TeemarkConvair
    @TeemarkConvair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    so very interesting to see behind the curtain, so to speak, and hear the thoughts that produce such epic emotional sounds. i have commented elsewhere that i really think many people seem to accept the power of the music without realizing almost all of it emanates from this one man.

  • @mortemus9562
    @mortemus9562 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What to say that hasn't been said about him before, just simply and artist through and through in every sense of the word. Tremendous respect for him and the rest of the band

  • @ladywytch129
    @ladywytch129 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think I could listen to him speak for eternity! Maybe interspersed with his wonderful music!

  • @XodusOnan
    @XodusOnan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A musical genius. Absolutely brilliant

  • @camilianas
    @camilianas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    my first crush

  • @lathspellinfield
    @lathspellinfield 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I enjoy watching him performing brilliant, with his such warm smile. They got right chemistry as a band with strikingly different characteristics and of course good videos :) love u guys \m/

  • @teedepefanio5687
    @teedepefanio5687 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    We love you, Tuomas!

  • @KEMETGaming
    @KEMETGaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He's my favorite pianist

  • @fdsannie
    @fdsannie 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    No spoilers. Very good interview!( Both parts)

  • @epiczeven6378
    @epiczeven6378 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great interview.

  • @strikebr
    @strikebr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The interviewer was almost walking on eggs talking to Tuomas, but he did very good questions, that thing about Poet and the Pendulum, to turn off the lyrics is heavy.

  • @evilme5534
    @evilme5534 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    such a beautiful human being and a damn talented 1 too :) thank you Tuomos for all that you have given us

  • @Zlaterrr
    @Zlaterrr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have been a nightwish fan since I was like 12. I am now 28.

    • @river114
      @river114 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Carl-Johan Hellstrom same

  • @MarcWN
    @MarcWN 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great guy!

  • @Blueberryblues
    @Blueberryblues 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting interview !

  • @viniciusmoussa7256
    @viniciusmoussa7256 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice!

  • @Piia2023
    @Piia2023 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He is a genius...💓

  • @jeannettesimpson9778
    @jeannettesimpson9778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A really good interview. Very insightful.

  • @jonathanday6692
    @jonathanday6692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The date was correct the first time. He is an alien from another planet and was brought back with the Apollo 11 moon landings.

  • @marcusson1983
    @marcusson1983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good interview

  • @robcreel4257
    @robcreel4257 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Maestro! The mind of a genius.

  • @amoralamexicana1378
    @amoralamexicana1378 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Coisa mais linda! ❤

  • @rsbreth
    @rsbreth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Master!

  • @jyrkilehto9329
    @jyrkilehto9329 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Olisi kiva kuulla muutama biisi mihin pystyisi johanna kurkela hempeydellä ja nightwish voimakkuudella. Nightwish fani.

  • @Fvader
    @Fvader 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Saw them in '99

  • @rafaelc.5705
    @rafaelc.5705 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Now here lies an academically trained Biologist who wishes he were a musician :D

    • @victoriaalbastra6325
      @victoriaalbastra6325 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm a biologist too, but I don't want to be a musician. I would like to learn to play the guitar though.

    • @rafaelc.5705
      @rafaelc.5705 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@victoriaalbastra6325 Cool! I know how to play the flute though, but just as a hobby :)

  • @shaulablack1
    @shaulablack1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Omg, I've wondered how he felt listening to the songs that immortalized his feelings of the time he was writing them. Whenever I write or produce something, after it's finished I never want to see it again, because I change all the time and the things I did in the past don't make sense anymore. I think if I wrote lyrics and 15 later still had to listen to them, I'd hate it.

    • @maboleth
      @maboleth 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, when you make something monumental, having great quality, you can go back and be proud still. Especially if you have big fans and you know what you did was genuine and seriously good or made you of what you're now. As a photographer I can see what you mean - there are many times I just don't like to review my images after a while, having only handful of my personal favourites that I'm really proud of. Still, my clients and people around me get fascinated by something I have long forgotten or never thought it was that important. That makes me happy. But yeah, I think the creators move on once they create and process something.

  • @shilohstore6086
    @shilohstore6086 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I feel like the pen and the Pendulum kind of scares him it's almost like he's ashamed that he didn't have faith and how good things could have been and now that things are going really well in hindsight is 20/20 he's so glad that he didn't fall into that mindset that he doesn't want to be reminded.

    • @SomeYouTubeTraveler
      @SomeYouTubeTraveler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's wonderful that he had an outlet, and it saved him... I dare say that out of most of the people who commit suicide, if they would've had the chance to look back on that time in their lives 20 years later, they'd be telling themselves to not give up, and to keep on living. But in the moment, when the world is crashing around you, it's nearly impossible to see any hope. Without a creative outlet, something to pour your emotions into, the battle to Live is a million times more difficult.

  • @JayTor2112
    @JayTor2112 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It always bothers me when musicians crap on their old material. I'm a new fan and I'm loving the first album right now.

    • @Daniel_C_Griffin
      @Daniel_C_Griffin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wouldn't say he crapped on it; but rather seemed to lament it was such a far cry from what the band turned into. It definitely does sound like a demo; which isn't a bad thing at all, the music is still stellar, but it's no Wishmaster or Once.

  • @JudgeJaco
    @JudgeJaco 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I can hear the interviewer is Dutch.. :-P

  • @Hilariumosis
    @Hilariumosis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    He doesn´t want to hear the lyrics yet you see him at times singing along xD

    • @mennawaris144
      @mennawaris144 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No, can’t you understand that even if he didn’t want to hear others singing it, he was the one who wrote the lyrics, he can’t forget them. They push through.

  • @vickieeh1
    @vickieeh1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He is a genius

  • @jeremendoza5492
    @jeremendoza5492 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm not gay but I love u Tuomas I fckn love u

  • @polishheavies8205
    @polishheavies8205 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can't believe why this video has 4 dislikes

  • @spacewalkerrr
    @spacewalkerrr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    my highschool crush all over again...

  • @silviahannak3213
    @silviahannak3213 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was an German Interviewer..messed up the date cause in german you start with 6 and (und) 90 but in english it is 90 6. Haha. Yes even after 20 Years you can enjoy their Songs. Timeless Classic. We are all Suckers for Epicness. Movie Music or Audiovisuell Stuff. Yes..it is a cool Ride that takes you away.

    • @FaceCulture
      @FaceCulture  ปีที่แล้ว

      Dutch, but close haha. But that's exactly where my brain made the mistake :)

  • @eehoo1
    @eehoo1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Question! Are there spoilers in this interview about the setlist for the upcoming Decades tour? There are some people like me who like to be surprised and haven't even checked the tracks on the Decades compilation album for this very reason... Thanks

  • @RBANTI
    @RBANTI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I could not hear the questions. But that didn't matter!

  • @stephencooper1266
    @stephencooper1266 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank fuck he chose music and not science

  • @magnusabigor5830
    @magnusabigor5830 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thou art lord.....................

  • @TheEuzkatroika
    @TheEuzkatroika 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MadMartigan!!

  • @johannessilver8653
    @johannessilver8653 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oceanborn - still the best !

    • @trene6559
      @trene6559 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Century Child!
      Get yourself in order, man!
      😜

    • @johannessilver8653
      @johannessilver8653 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No...Oceanborn it is still...as written. But you are right that it is difficult to pick one cause they all are great.

    • @Daniel_C_Griffin
      @Daniel_C_Griffin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johannessilver8653 Guys... Wishmaster. Come on....

  • @ThallanarRabidtooth
    @ThallanarRabidtooth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It just occurred to me that I have never heard Tuomas speak. For some reason, his voice doesn't seem to match his face. I thought it would be lighter.

    • @leopalo1568
      @leopalo1568 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I noticed his English voice is somewhat deeper than when he speaks Finnish (I'm also Finnish btw)

    • @dergre3226
      @dergre3226 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@leopalo1568 Finnish language is so cool! :D

  • @aleksanterikaansalo
    @aleksanterikaansalo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Бровь у него - топ.

  • @Hebee1000
    @Hebee1000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First of all man, shame on you. Second, ty for the joy you
    have brought to my life.

  • @nk937
    @nk937 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Man interviews God!

    • @L3onOfKings
      @L3onOfKings 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lol... true.
      He walks among us.
      Nightwish is the meaning of life.

  • @SandraNelson063
    @SandraNelson063 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need the P&P. I need help burning the rope. Nightwish continually gives me a hand up. Life with depression is not for sissies.

  • @Sheepleton
    @Sheepleton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Every time I hear someone from this band speak I'm ashamed of America's education system...

    • @WesselsReaper
      @WesselsReaper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sheepleton exactly! These people speak english as a second language BETTER than native english speakers 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @captainfantastic3490
      @captainfantastic3490 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WesselsReaper They Don't Dumbass! He Means Nightwish Members Speak Wisely.

    • @stormrising2623
      @stormrising2623 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The dumbing down of American students is intentional. Strip their ability to think critically and logically.
      Much easier to control mindless masses.

  • @elftwinks
    @elftwinks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They guys are awesome. Their private lives are their business. Floor yansen is the best thing that happened to them. The others,in my opinion did not connect or belong and were less talented. Floor can literally wipe the floor with them. X

  • @sirenfromthedeep8619
    @sirenfromthedeep8619 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1969😂😂😂

  • @SpringOffensiveCat
    @SpringOffensiveCat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We all know Nightwish is not your biggest dream, we all know marrying Tarja was your objetive xdxd.

  • @nickcervenka8756
    @nickcervenka8756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This interviewer is horrible. :(

    • @FaceCulture
      @FaceCulture  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sorry you feel that way Nick. Most people seemed to like it. What kind of questions would you have preferred?

    • @nickcervenka8756
      @nickcervenka8756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@FaceCulture Not the questions, but how he carried himself. He came off super nervous, took forever to get to the point of his question (Tuomas cut him off multiple times), was quiet, etc. Maybe it was his first interview, but it was pretty rough.

    • @FaceCulture
      @FaceCulture  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I guess you're right in that I could articulate a bit better ;)

    • @WesselsReaper
      @WesselsReaper 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      FaceCulture i believe this interviewer did a great job, obviously Toumas is relaxed enough to open up a bit more than he normally would

  • @antongcollector3873
    @antongcollector3873 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    mastermind of music but also a mastermind of lies...He fired Tarja and Annete...totally disrespectfull

    • @replay759
      @replay759 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah well Tarja was leaving her self even before she got fired so its not really neccesseary to blame tuomas for that.. and THANK GOD he fired annette she sounded terrible.

    • @mennawaris144
      @mennawaris144 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe you should learn the reasons that led to letting Tarja go. It was all Marcelo, Tarja’s boyfriend, that was turning Tarja against the band and wanted to decide everything, even where the band should have concerts. He wanted them to only perform in big arenas to get more money and got Tarja thinking that too. - No South America anymore, not enough money coming. So it was Marcelo and lust for money that ruined the whole thing. You can check this all up, just google. You can start with Open letter.