Would the NHL Consider a Third Try with a Team in Atlanta?
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- My guess is no, but there are rumors out there that it could happen.
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NHL : “Let’s give Atlanta another chance”
-- Quebec Breathing Intensifies -
I know right … bettman “ never mind the fact Canada lives and breaths hockey , is largely responsible for the best hockey talent . Let’s pour cash into gimmick markets like Seattle , Vegas and Atlanta “ lol
@@skytrooper77 it's all about money. As soon as betting was legalized it poured gasoline on this for-profit fire.
Hockey was by far, the poorest professional sport there was, nobody cared about it.
We had players from 3 different countries speaking three different languages on the same team back in the 60s and 70s - now we're racists
we were the scumbags to even associate with Canada + Eastern Europeans
Canada would make more sense-but they're trying to spread hockey around the world to increase their market base.
Hockey isn't for everyone... Neither is football, ballet, cage fighting, curling, basketball...
But they're going to keep shoving it down everyone's throats to expand the market!
Not to satisfy the current fans, give Canada more hockey where the demand is
-they're going with...
" If we build it they will come"
@@skytrooper77 Wack ass take.
Seattle and Vegas have been monumental successes
Honestly some of the smartest and well played expansions of any sport in the United States. And both markets are succeeding massively.
34 teams? Time to split into Premiership division and Championship league, including relegation and promotion. Worth a look.
@@glennelliott708 North Americans as a whole aren’t ready for relegation and would probably revolt if their team got relegated
Lol "if you want another Canadian team, you put it in Atlanta and there ya go" Legit laughed out loud, well done sir.
So did I🤣
Saskatoon would rock an nhl team ... way better than Atlanta.
@@melgreier1630 no way you said that out loud
I’m sad I scanned the comments before watching the video now, the surprise of that zinger is ruined for me :(
@@melgreier1630 Saskatoon is not GETTING an NHL team.
They didn't get one 40 years ago and they're not getting one now.
The Atlanta Spirit group USED the city of Atlanta to build Philips Arena solely based on taking on an expansion team. It gave them 2 teams and would allow the city to build a new arena. They wanted NOTHING to do with the hockey team. That is NOT the fault of Thrashers fans. It was solely on ownership. Don Waddell was given ZERO chance to succeed. The Spirit group threw all their money with the Hawks. Bettman took the team away within 2 months. GONE. He has saved the Coyotes more than a DOZEN times.
Time Warner owned the Thrashers, Hawks, and operating rights to Philips Arena. After the clusterfuck of their merger with AOL they started selling stuff to pay off debt. That's when ASG came in. You are right about everything else though.
Exactly. People talking bad about Atlanta failing twice have no idea what actually happened
And the NHL would be foolish to trust Atlanta ever again.
@@justinking3127this is the exact comment i’ve been looking for thank you so much
Yeah, except they didn't own the team when the arena was built, Time Warner did.
I think selling the Dallas vs Houston rivalry would help the cause for a Houston team a lot.
It is hard to turn down a billion dollars.
But who cares?
Ice hockey in Houston is a joke.
@@norrislaitinen5011 Texans will care? Sure Canadians don't care about the rivalries within New York or Pennsylvania or California, but they exist anyway and generate a lot of interest. A Lone Star battle will surely work if done correctly.
That's it. Keep hating on Houston. You haters completely underestimate the hockey fan base in Houston along with the out and out HATE Houston has for any Dallas metro area team. The rivalry will be epic!
Everyone talks about how amazing THG is for all the videos he does.. can we please also acknowledge the fact that this man knows SO much about hockey
That's why he is called hockey guy
@@turarosicky ohhh now i get it
He is, as I have called him many times, The God of Hockey knowledge.
Not in a professional analytical level when it comes to hockey such as what coaches, scouts and managers might know. But as a fan of hockey sitting on a couch watching the games, then yes.
@@handsomejustin I'm not so sure the scouts are necessarily as smart as some people think they are. They are also just trying to make a living and feed their family, its just a job and they make mistakes too.
Can't wait for the Saskatoon Thrashers to become a thing, god bless Atlanta, giving us one Canadian prairie team after another.
@The Esquire of Sports ® schizomoment of belief
@@geoff3103 I think that's the joke.
@theesquireofsports7251 I think people like playing where they are from. They get a loud building and being a celebrity etc. Sure it gets to -40, but I personally would never want to play hockey in a Southern market. It just feels wrong.
@Owl House Oilers Fan Plus almost everybody in Canada is a hockey fan anyway.
There are still untapped US markets
@@razormc954 forget Kansas City they failed before Hartford they failed before
Honestly if it’s done properly this time it can work. Hockey is starting to get really popular in regions close to it. See Carolina, Tampa,Nashville. Im a Tampa Bay fan and it has grown a lot in the state of florida just because of their success alone. If an actual owner is in place it should work in the biggest southeastern u.s market.
By really popular you mean "fans" when they're on playoff runs and absent 10 seconds into a rebuild.
@@dixonhill1108I mean look at Nashville this szn their fans are still there despite the team being in a rebuild.
@@dixonhill1108 You mean like Ottawa? Wait, they didn't even sell out a Conference Final.
@@jonasgorea3823 the demographics of nashville and raleigh are a lot more favorable for hockey than Atlanta in my opinion
Those teams all need to be good to draw fans. Tampa won it in 04 and one lockout season later you would think people had no idea. Carolina has had up and down attendance and they won it all the year before the Sabres last won a round. Could any of those teams take a decade long playoff drought like Edmonton, Toronto or Buffalo?
Ive been surprised for awhile that the state of Wisconsin/Milwaukee doesnt have a professional hockey team.
I think it's ridiculous that Milwaukee is stuck with the minor league affiliate for a team in Nashville. It SHOULD be the other way around.
@@FischerFan 💯
They have the Admirals.
I've been a big believer in Atlanta for years now. I am thrilled to see that the NHL still sees the potential in the Atlanta market. All they need is good ownership. If they can get that, they will thrive. Reminder, despite Arizona being a living meme, they had a roaring sold out crowd back in 2012. Because they were winning. If Atlanta can get decent ownership, they can finally have a winning team.
We had Thrashers night in Atlanta recently. People love the branding, I think the name and branding would be huge for Atlanta because we already know the Thrashers. However I could see someone shying away from the name
Depends on if the Winnipeg Jets own the Trademark
@@jarradchapman4271 They do not. The NHL does.
@@user-HAL9001 spoken like someone who is unfamiliar with Georgia and the love of hockey down here. We were failed by ownership never the fans
@@TeaBeeKay Says every Thrashers fan.
@@TeaBeeKay People keep saying this as if every single game was old out and the arena was packed every night and it was just ownership that didn’t care. The owners played a part for sure but if the arena was selling tickets and making money then they wouldn’t have jut tossed the Thrasher to the side. The interest needs to be there and there just wasn’t enough. Plain and simple.
Here’s the thing: If ownership cared & tried its best to put a good product on the ice, I’d be all for it. The Thrashers never had good ownership.
Agreed, Carolina, Nashville and Tampa have shown you can have a good hockey market in the southern us, The ownership only bought the team because they wanted the hawks, they didn't care about hockey at all
@@Kachina. Even the Panthers are turning it around attendance wise
@@razormc954 Florida would do even better if they weren’t stuck in Sunrise.
@@codyssmith73 I feel like they’d do well in Orlando. Amway Center is a dual purpose arena and if they play their cards right, they can be Disney’s new team.
@billmusic1989 , Might that be too close to Tampa, though, or do you think that wouldn't be a factor?
Went to tons of games growing up and miss it like crazy. The ownership was a nightmare but the experience was amazing. I can still feel the heat from the giant thrasher heads shooting flames when a goal was scored
the nostalgia of thinking about the heat from the flames out of the thrasher heads hits hard, we need to unleash the fury in atlanta again
the NHL has figured out how to do expansion, letting teams start with actual NHL calibre players to give them a fighting chance to be competitive and worth watching. So I could see it working out as long as you have good management in place, not just a dep pocketed owner.
Being a lifetime Blues fan , I lived in Atlanta and was a season ticket holder , Atlanta has the fan base , as you bring up a REAL owner could make it work. Definitely loved the team sweaters!
Atlanta has a hockey fanbase? What? I lived in Atlanta, too. It's not a good gamble for the NHL. Again.
Outside of my beer league team I know nobody in ATL that likes hockey.
@@nick150 surprised you even have the manpower to fill a beer league.
If a team REALLY has a fan base then it should be able support the team regardless of who the owner is.
"Would the NHL consider a third try with a team in Atlanta?"
Nordiques fans: 😥
I would see them in a expansion with Atlanta Houston and Hartford
I think it would do really well this time. The Gladiators after the Thrashers night did really well despite being hell to get to. They are even talking about an outdoor game for the Gladiators. I know some sports fans around here have talked about wanting to get an AHL team into State Farm Arena or getting a new NHL team for a few years now. There is also a small movement to bring D1 college hockey to either UGA, Tech, or Kennesaw State. I think they should strike and add a team sooner rather than later, while there is still a buzz about hockey.
I'm sure Quebec City would love to see them try it.
And watch Atlanta fail once again and have the team relocate to Quebec to become the nordecs
Quebec..the Atlantis of Canadian hockey fans
There was also the Dany Heatley tragedy. That pretty much sealed the deal on the Thrashers.
@scottbaron121, That's a bit of an extreme take, but it certainly didn't help.
The Pittsburgh Penguins survived the Michel Briere tragedy.
Every public skate you go to in ATL, there's a ton of folks skating in Thrashers jerseys and even flames jerseys.
If there’s one thing we’ve learned the last couple decades across a number of markets, a successful NHL team south of the border is dependent on two things: (1) a good ownership group that’s committed to being successful on and off the ice, and (2) a good and stable arena situation.
We’ve seen bad ownership sink teams in Arizona, Buffalo, Net York (Isles), Minnesota (North Stars), and obviously Atlanta.
Likewise we’ve seen poor arena situations really hurt teams both north and south of the border. New York (Islanders), Arizona, Ottawa, and Atlanta again.
When the ownership group is committed and the arena situation is ‘solved’, the NHL can thrive anywhere in America or Canada provided the market is sufficiently large enough. It’s worked in Vegas, L.A., Anaheim, Carolina, Dallas, Miami, Tampa, Nashville, Columbus, and lots of other cities. There is no reason why it can’t work in Phoenix, Houston, or Atlanta if the league goes in and does it right.
@@geoff3103 I feel like those places have more transplants that know what hockey is. In 2007 a Tampa home game was half Sabres fans
Buffalo has excellent ownership. Interms of being stable with a ton of money. They just tried to Frankenstein a team together the year he took over and that went completely wrong. Then gm after gm tried to do patch work until Adams finally just trusted the process and they got lucky with a young talented team. Getting Jack out of here was huge. Pegula loves the Sabres. He bought them for that reason. He wants them to be good as much as anyone.
@@geoff3103 That was 3 years after they won a cup. It's not a new Era. If Tampa missed the playoffs for 3 years now they would instantly go into 2007 mode
@@geoff3103 A lot of them at the last one in Tampa haha, but that's after 2 cup wins and a finals appearance. That's not exactly suffering
Excuse me. The arena in Glendale, AZ. was and STILL IS a great venue for hockey. The issue in Arizona IS THE OWNERSHIP! If you don't believe me........ Please stay tuned! The vote by the residents of Tempe is coming up soon. The Coyotes may not have the support to pay the tab for proposed Arena/ Entertainment complex the Coyotes would like built for them. Let the owners build their own building.
A deep pocket owner is important for getting the team started. More deep pockets are important for keeping the team when the original owner no longer wants to own a hockey team in Atlanta.
A new building is going to be hard because Atlanta just spent a ton of money updating State Farm Arena.
Watching the Canes/Bolts yesterday, I noticed the TNT studio was in Atlanta. Just found that interesting.
A curveball that no one has noticed...
...how the sports dollar is spent in any given city.
Atlanta is a bit unusual in that in addition to the Braves, Falcons, and Hawks, there is Atlanta United. Normally you can just ignore MLS, but Atlanta is the exception because United leads MLS in attendance with over 47,000 per game - close to 12,000 more than second-place Charlotte. Does that affect available sports dollars in the market? It's a question worth asking.
@ronaldwayne7092, There isn't a total overlap in the timing of their respective seasons, FWIW.
I believe the Seattle Sounders were usually the attendance leaders in the MLS; but then came Atlanta United!
I don’t see a point to a Milwaukee team. Wisconsin is too Fk aimed by Packers football. And the hockey fans are split between Wild and Blackhawks. There’s just not enough meat left on the bone for adding another regional team.
I think 32 is the magic number for the NHL
Geographically, Atlanta looks promising. it's the 6th largest greater metropolitan area in America. clearly if you can't make a team work there, then something is very wrong. the thrashers were owned by people who eat and breath basketball, but know nothing about hockey. the result was a poorly run team plagued by bad draft picks and trades. Atlanta also joined the league after rapid expansion in the 90s. because of this, they didn't have a good nucleus to pick from. the talent pool was too dilated.
Houston gets a team before ATL. And I don't think the NHL expands beyond 32
You guys blaming this on owners is hilarious. It's Atlanta, which is totally unsuitable for an NHL team. How many times do you need to see it played out?
@The Esquire of Sports ® Savannah is a perfect spot if the Ghost Pirates continues to have success in attendance.
they need good ownership and marketing. things the thrashers didn’t have.
@@peterroberts4415 My prediction is like this: If the Coyotes move to SLC or KC, then the NHL will eventually expand....to Houston (obviously) and (stupidly) back to Atlanta.
Columbus to Quebec, Arizona to Atlanta, Detroit back to the Western Conference. Hire me, Gary.
The Red Wings are not going back to the Western Conference they fought hard to go East
@@michaelleroy9281 I know. But they don't belong in the East. It feels wrong.
Arizona to Houston (stay in Western Conference), and Florida to Quebec.
It is an intersting thought that the NHL would consider having another team in Atlanta after two previous failed attempts. Personally, I would think Milwaukee would be a good choice in the league wanted to expand again.
Does anyone rag on the fact that the Nationals are DC's 3rd MLB franchise? Atlanta is just as huge so why not give them another chance. Not like it's yours or my $ at stake.
Not a half bad idea; They could play half their home games in Green Bay!
My dream divisions for 3-team expansion include Milwaukee
Canadian: CGY, EDM, MTL, OTT, TOR, VAN, WPG
Western: ANA, ARI, COL, LAK, SJS, SEA, VGK,
Southeastern: ATL, CAR, DAL, FLA, HOU, NSH, TBL,
Metro: BOS, PIT, PHI, NJD, NYI, NYR, WSH
Central: BUF, CBJ, CHI, DET, MIL, MIN, STL,
@@iliaponomarev1624 This looks good!👍
@@iliaponomarev1624 Sorry, but no. Especially the Canadian Division - way too much travelling compared to the other divisions. Furthermore, how would you set up the playoffs?
Given that the NHL just looks at markets by their size and corporate situation, probably. If you’re going to bring in a new franchise or move one to a non traditional market, you have to prepare and have grassroots efforts. How many NHL players come from Georgia? Hockey in California works because Marcel Dionne and Wayne Gretzky were there. And that 90s hockey movie happened. If you want hockey to work in a market, you have to lay the groundwork. Hockey can work in most places, but some require more work than others. If we’re just being lazy, Regina and Quebec City are the obvious ones. In the US, some of the northern states that border on Canada might work. Like Montana. But again, you can’t just drop a pro hockey team somewhere where hockey isn’t in the culture and expect it to work. You’d have a better chance of you put a team in Europe.
Size does matter though. And fortunately many teams have made good efforts in expanding the youth base.
Take the Dallas stars. From what I understand they’ve built a ton of new rinks around the dfw area.
Tampa, same deal. 16 players from Florida in NHL history, 10 are playing today,
there needs to be a team in quebec before that happens
Thank you.
Phillips Arena was built for hockey & basketball. It was renovated as State Farm Arena solely for basketball.
As a South Carolina Hurricanes fan when I was young my Dad used to take me to Thrasher v. Carolina games. The Atlanta fans were great, the team was just bad. It was awesome to have a designated rival team for Carolina. I'd love to see Atlanta come back though I know NHL fans would throw a fit.
Getting a stadium in Alpharetta would be huge. The Braves moving to Cobb co is the template
I lived in Sandy Springs for 14 years. That would be awesome.
Around Cobb couny, Alpharetta anything north of Atlanta.
I first read Atlanta as Alberta, and was so confused. I was thinking "What would the third NHL team be in Alberta? Red Deer? Medicine Hat? GP?". I do like a 32 team league though, nice and balanced.
They should do 4 expansions for all divisions
Houston TX
Atlanta GA
Quebec City QC
and finally Vancouver BC
2 teams in Vancouver?
@@kmharnish I don’t think there’s currently an NHL team in Vancouver.
😂😂😂
@@TylerJohnstonGuitar yes there is and it's the Canucks
@@rileykazama3145 Didn’t you hear? They got reassigned to the AHL this year.
The Atlanta Moltres’
The Pokémon fans will get it.
Players pretty much get their part on the back end, though. If they expand to 34 teams, that's 100 more contract slots for guys to sign, and 80+ million in cap each for the teams to spend. Obviously, it's not nearly the 1.6 billion the owners get, but players benefit from expansion as well.
more fans in more markets means more money to the NHL & players get a percentage of that
@@JonathanNation So does that mean the NHL needs another two hundred franchises in the U.S.?
Grew up in Atlanta but the Thrashers were so bad it was hard to keep interest in the sport even though going to hockey games was fun. Moved to Nashville around the time of the Preds Stanley Cup run and fell in love with the sport here. So I'd be conflicted if a team came back to Atlanta, but I think there is an untapped fanbase there who could absolutely make it work if ownership had a good plan
Don’t expand unless there’s a plan to add enough teams to balance the divisions. So that would basically mean adding 4 teams. Atlanta for the Atlantic, Hartford for the Metro, Houston for the Central, and either Portland, San Diego, or a 2nd Bay Area team for the Pacific.
Maybe Phoenix goes back to the Pacific, Houston and Milwaukee join Central, Atlanta goes Metro, and Quebec joins the other Canadians in the Atlantic
I like it at 32 teams. That feels right.
It’s a shame that ATL couldn’t have the flames branding.
Yep. A lot of flames in the ATL lol
Did the Quebec group get their deposit back from the last bid? Last I heard the bid was deferred, what ever that meant from Bettman and the board.
"build it in Atlanta and make sure it's accessible to people"
Atlanta Traffic: allow me introduce myself...
The Thrashers had no building? Didn't they have a brand new building built to get the team, Phillips Arena? It's still around today, called State Farm Arena.
Very sore subject to this day for me. The wound of the Thrashers' loss is ever-fresh. I was a kid in LA when the Flames were in Atlanta, so I won't pretend to know what the atmosphere was like in Atlanta then. But I lived through the Thrashers, attending their first preseason game ever in the Columbus Cottonmouths arena in Columbus GA, on through the years to their final game. And I can say without pause that the Thrashers failure had nothing to do with the non-traditional market or it being in the American South or bad Atlanta fans. These newer teams with no history that have just been bad forever and that's all they have ever known, it's really rough. This city has plenty of people who like / love hockey. There's more people who moved to Atlanta from somewhere else than people who were born here. Lots of Canadians here in-fact. It was the shoddy oraganization and ownership that was the problem. Just terrible. Eleven years, 1 playoff appearance which was a first round sweep. Ownership that didn't care and tried to get rid of them almost as soon as they bought them. They bought the team because they wanted the NBA Atlanta Hawks and it was a package deal from Time Warner. No history to fall back on. No grandparents who were Thrashers fans. No memories of better times to get through a decade-plus of terrible hockey. That's what killed them. Not geography. A team needs something to keep it going. Look at the attendance records for the Blackhawks and Bruins in the early to mid 2000's. Worse than the Thrashers. And that's because they were bad for so long at that point. But we are talking Original Six, large market teams. And no one ever blames the fans or cities for those periods. Rightfully so. Atlanta doesn't get that benefit of the doubt though, and I don't really blame anyone. I say this because the NHL absolutely could work in Atlanta. There is nothing different about Atlanta than any other non-traditional city. It's an international city. Tons of folks love hockey here. Personally, I don't see any NHL team in my lifetime again here. Which is why it continues to hurt. Gary Bettman and the NHL bent over backwards to keep the Pens in Pittsburg, bent over backwards to keep the Yotes in Arizona, but the Thrashers were gone in it seems like what seemed like the blink of an eye. Even though the NHL knew this was strike 2 and there would likely never be a chance at strike 3. If some miracle happened and they decide to put a team in Atlanta again, then personally my preference would be to keep the Thrashers name, but get rid of all the terrible colors and jerseys. One of their original colors was a brown. They should be brown like the Brown Thrasher. UPS is a major corporation here in Atlanta and brown is their thing, so perfect sponsorship synergy there. No other teams in the NHL really wear brown as a primary color (I don't count retro Bruins jerseys). Go with a more traditional looking bird logo, or resurrect the T-Bird logo, but in brown. I still love the Thrashers and miss them, even though the subject makes me sad and angry still after all this time.
Brown I think would look good, not a bad choice.
@@quasimoto7662 Nobody remembers, but brown was one of the original colors. I still have a free pamphlet that was handed out when the "Atlanta Hockey Team" held a big event in Centennial Olympic park to "reveal' the color scheme and name. On that brochure, one of the colors is "Thrasher Brown".
@@Burning_Tyger what other color would go with it though. The only colors I’ve seen go with brown are orange and yellow.
Orange wouldn’t be a bad idea but then people kinda don’t like that as much.
Then there’s yellow, which is a good combo, but that’s basically the original color combo for Boston. Plus Pittsburgh and now Vancouver’s third jersey look similar bc they’re black and yellow.
Brown as much as I like it I don’t think is going to happen.
Why not purple? That’s unique
@@quasimoto7662 Honestly something striking like a pale blue and brown would be interesting. You see that combo a lot in interior decorating :-). Why, because weirdly enough, they look good together. I would be fine with just Brown and white. You want to see a really great looking Brown hockey jersey, check out some of the Hershey Bears jerseys through the years. Those are some classic jerseys.
@@quasimoto7662, Brown and yellow? Yikes, that made me flash on the original Broncos color palette, along with the infamous striped socks!!!
Yes please. The Thrashers had better attendance than the Hawks did. GA has more hockey fans than people think.
With the way that expansion drafts are handled nowadays, versus in 1999, a new Atlanta franchise would be good for the NHL overall.
Youa my go to source of all things hockey. You have a no nonsense approach and Its appreciated. Lookin foward to youa next one. I realize my Boston accent is obvious even when im textin, but wudda gunna do
if its has good ownership that cares then yes I want the thrashers back i would love to see those blue jerseys again on the ice
Getting into Houston makes too much sense. Atlanta’s past makes it a harder sell imo, but I agree that a great plan would be needed
It will work in Houston if it's the right ownership group.
love the video. would like if you could talk more about houston as a possible hockey market. will be a great rivalry with dallas and the geography will be better for the western teams if they get in.
Patrick Maleau would find a way to have his career outlast any new Atlanta team.
I know its a small market, but not having a team in Wisconsin seems silly. They are a big hockey area and it would just be a good rivalry with Chicago.
@@geoff3103 That's dumb. Wisconsin has football, basketball, and baseball teams. It's a different state. Different market. No reason they can't have a hockey team. Chicago shouldn't be able to control that.
If it happens I see it being Atlanta Houston and then Quebec and Hartford if the ownership can succeed in Atlanta it has to be stable
I want the Thrashers back, they had the COOLEST jerseys in all of the NHL.
Name suggestions. How About the Atlanta Warriors? The Atlanta Shatters? The Atlanta Polar Bears? The Atlanta Death Dealers? The Atlanta Bulldogs? The Atlanta Confederates?
how bout Dubai?
As an Islander fan I remember more they were flirting with Kansas City than Quebec.
I heard many interviews by former NHL players & they say playing in Atlanta sucks!
I wanna see Quebec getting a team again, those old Quebec, Nordiques jerseys & colors were awesome!!
Milwaukee makes way more sense than Atlanta for a league expansion. Wisconsin must be the biggest hockey market without an actual team right now so it's a battleground between Redwings, Blackhawks, Blues and Wild fans.
I'm an Anaheim fan that just moved to Atlanta and would love to have a local team to watch
That's the problem in AZ. Too many transplants that wear the jerseys of the city they left, then they bitch about AZ not having enough fans.
@Mark Snow I'd pull for the thrashers every game just not against the ducks. And you're gonna get that with Carolina and Nashville are close by.
Is the $800M x 2 windfall + the boost in TV revenue with 2 huge US markets enough to make this go? Probably. What if instead of focusing on what Atlanta (2X) did wrong, the league used the Kraken and the Golden Knights as yardsticks? One thing we know from the Ottawa and Phoenix example is, if the rink isn't right AND in the right place, the team will struggle. Good discussion and NO (sadly) the Nordiques aren't coming back.
Us 7 Hockey fans in South Carolina miss the Atlanta team because bit was the closest for us. Yes, closer than the Hurricanes.
Went to a couple Thrashers games when the Wings played them, crowd was >75% wings fans from what I remember.
I watched a number of playoff games between the Wings and the Coyotes and when the games were played in Glendale, they still looked and sounded like a home game for the Red Wings.
Great sonics reference. A shame they haven’t returned, hopefully expansion will be announced for the NBA soon (my guess is in a couple of years)
the nba needs another canadian team montreal
@@retroblue69696 they should, but they probably want to keep toronto as “Canada’s team”
@@geoff3103 a co owner of the kraken also co owns the Celtics. Highly doubt they would turn down the chance of getting an nba team to play in climate pledge arena
Its It's crazy the NBA still has 30 teams, Vegas will definitely get a team eventually
@@geoff3103 yeah i can see that happening. But with the nba already having talks of wanting to get their CBA and TV deal done early wouldn’t surprise me if its at the very least only 5 more years
I mean, seeing as how the NHL has made it apparent that they REALLY want Ryan Reynolds to own an NHL team... perhaps if Ottawa can't work out a deal, Ryan will get Houston or Atlanta as a consolation prize?
It's honestly a miracle that Winnipeg got a team from Atlanta.
Not really. ASG wanted to unload the team because it couldn't make money in Atlanta. They couldn't even break even.
Winnipeg's ownership group includes the wealthiest man in Canada.
As an Atlantan hockey fan, I hope every day for another chance
I think a Milwaukee team, geographically, and traditional weather, speaking, makes a lot of sense.
Chicago and Minnesota (probably Nashville too, since Admirals is their AHL affiliate which parts of the Brewers/Sounds and Press/Admirals agreements) would veto that for sure..
But I do hope Milwaukee got a team tho
not happening. too close to Chicago
@@kitfisto1827 Why does Chicago own Wisconsin? I wouldn't want to drive to Chicago and watch the shithawks
@CWS and TKP 66-02
Lol right? And we all know the only team with actual veto power is Toronto, because if it was just about money coming in the door Mississauga, Markham, and Hamilton would all have teams already, those hockey crazy markets would easily support a franchise that isn’t the Leafs.
@@derkaiserzen Both the Milwaukee Bucks and Chicago Blackhawks agree that Milwaukee shouldn't have a team.
Fortunately for hockey fans in the St. Louis area, the whole 'Saskatoon Blues' thing fell through and never materialized. Those were sure lean times for the Blue Note though.
If they had moved to Saskatoon, they definitely would not still be there. They would have moved again. WHo knows, maybe back to St. Louis.
I don't see the NHL choosing Atlanta over Houston.
At 6:15 did Shannon imply the Thrashers weren't in a new building? The then Philips arena opened a month before the Thrashers started play and a few months after Scotiabank Arena in Toronto. I do agree a third Atlanta NHL team would need a new arena to themselves
Considering that St. Louis didn't object Columbus having Blue in their name I think Phoenix would be fine
Preface - I lived 30 miles west of Atlanta (2005-2018) quite recently. Problems with Atlanta: 1) Traffic in and out of Atlanta is horrendous, even on weekends. (People commute TO Atlanta to work, then leave before the sun goes down, they don't live there) 1a) No, MARTA (Train system) is not an option. (Crime) 2) The stadium location would have to be outside the city. (Ala Braves), close to a highway (I-20 E/W, or I-75/85 N/S). 3) A decent owner, who knows and understands the intricacies and nuances of the area (Arthur Blank, Home Depot) might be able to make it work. Otherwise? (I'm shaking my head left to right)
0:59 And Shannon burns Atlanta. 🤣😂🤣
Another Canadian team would be cool
Maybe Quebec City can get their Nordiques back
Now that I live in Macon I would love a team in Atlanta just so I can go see my Bolts 😊
R u able to watch TBL games in macon? Or r u blacked out im in ATL rn and I can’t watch then unless they’re on national tv
I have to use ESPN plus to watch games
Selfishly I’d like to see it because it’s another NHL team within a days drive for me.
My first sport event was a thrasher game in 2011 I’m 25 now and I have a thrasher jersey ready to have something to look forward to
Would love for a team to return to my home city. I was never really old enough to support the team last time it was here. Would probably try to get season tickets if they put a team back here.
I always wondered as you seem like a hockey fan already who is your team now and would you switch the your home town team if they were to come? I’m in New York so I never had the problem of being a fan of another state so I always was curious what people would do in that situation.
@RangersTown Right now I cheer for the Washington Capitals. I got really into Hockey when I started college. I had a lot of time in April during the final playoff push and since I cheer for the Patriots and the Cardinals for football and baseball respectively I wanted to choose a team that was a good story if they ever went all the way. And during the playoffs that year I just connected with the capitals.
I actually flew up to Washington this year to catch my first in person home game for them.
But to answer your other question on if I'd switch teams to the Local team. I already have been unable to connect with the local teams as while I was a kid for whatever reason Atlanta never truly felt like home. I know I would go to games and cheer for them to win most nights but if Washington is here I'll probably wear my Ovi jersey and cheer for the Caps.
Interesting how Atlanta is being talked about again especially considering how TNT is based there and Gretzky is on the broadcasts....if Gretzky is involved in ownership I believe that besides it actually happening it might finally work!......stay tuned!
Yeah, he did wonders for Arizona.
And he just might have learned from it...imagine that!
We love hockey in Atlanta!!! Bring NHL Back!!!!
9:47- All I could think of was Dr. Evil with his "....One BILLION dollars!!" 😁
As someone who has family in Atlanta and goes there often, I would love to see an NHL team there. Whenever I go there, I see quite a bit of Lightening fans, which shows that people do have interest and would support the team if it's run well. If soccer can work in Atlanta, hockey definitely can.
You meant lightning
@@kashakamcpherson9719 Just saw the typo
good ownership is a must
@theesquireofsports7251in a non traditional hockey market it absolutely is.
ty for covering this its very interesting
When he said Gary Bettman won't be around forever, it made me think of the Futurama heads in the jar.....NHL 2099 Draft, Bettman's head in a jar getting booed!
I can't speak for the Atlanta Flames, but the Thrashers had a good, loyal fanbase. They just had rotten ownership
I remember the Flames when they came in in 1972 their owners were rotten too
Bucci says Houston is getting one too
The video I've been waiting for, was gonna suggest it but knew this guy would be on it that's why he's The Hockey Guy
Having 6 divisions of 6 teams and a return of the Southeast division wouldn't be the worst thing.
Been a while since I got a video of your in my Recommended, but the chance for the NHL to try Atlanta one more time (be it Thrashers II or a new identity) does have some promise _pro-vided_ they get owners who can spread the word, get hooks into local fans (who surely _must_ exist in the Atlanta Metro Area, Georgia, etc.) and show the NHL returning to past markets can totally work *_including Quebec City, Mr. Bettman_*
also, Atlanta could fit in the Metro, the Atlantic or maybe even the Central
I think the NHL would need to expand by 4 teams to keep the divisions equal.
I also think if Atlanta, and possibly also Houston, wants an NHL team, the team would need its own arena. I think it would be hard to book dates against the NBA.
houston has ownership in place, same guy who owns the rockets. i think he’ll make that work
Humankind will fail as a species if no team ever gets the name "The Zambonis"
Atlanta is one of the biggest cities in the entire Deep South region. It makes sense to put a team here. The metro population is a little over 6 million. Put a team and build a stadium outside 285 and I guarantee that it’ll be a team that does well enough to stay, and like he said: Is an Atlanta team really such a crazy idea when Nashville can make it work?
True. Even more so Tampa ends up being an even more unlikely spot for success and it’s been able to easily fill the arena even when not as successful
Here’s another thing.
TNT, brand new broadcasting partner.
Guess where their parent company is located?
I’m in the belief that Atlanta, even with the failures, can succeed. With the right people in place.
As much as people love the Thrashers, I would think it would be another name. The Thrashers were not prominent and was associated with poor ownership/ management and the arena was more for a arena for the NBA’s Atlanta Hawks over the Thrashers. It would be somewhat similar look to the flames since Atlanta teams are mostly red with black white and for Atlanta United’s case gold. If you put good effort and care into a team, people will come to watch and support. Also the southeastern United States has grown more accustomed to hockey thanks to the success of the Predators, Lighting and Hurricanes. A team in Atlanta will work.
Expand on the north of the border i.e. Quebec. Atlanta had its chances. If not Quebec, create another franchise in Houston and/or Kansas City, KS or MO.
I don't know how the NHL can continue to expand without having two 'sibling' teams at roughly the same time.
Great video!
I’m with you, Shannon. I say No, they don’t deserve a 3rd shot, especially when there are several
other cities, both US and Canadian that deserve a chance, or second chance.
Personally, I’d love to see 2 more Canadian teams, if they would be successful.