School Reunion deleted scene: Sarah Jane: Anti-matter monsters! Rose: Gas mask zombies! Sarah Jane: Real. Living. Dinosaurs! Rose: Real living Werewolf! Sarah Jane: I SAW EIGHT OF HIM TRYING TO KILL A CHILD! (The Doctor enters a minute later to the most awkward silence in history)
So what would happen if I flipped off a certain Gremlin child on Gallifrey would we get a timeline with the valley art equivalents of the main line doctors including a war Doctor Who rules Gallifrey and actually likes himself like yeah he would be evil but he deserves it
Tegan: “I’m sick off all the death Doctor!!! I can’t take it any more!!!!” 5: “…Is this because I tried to kill tha-“ Tegan: “OF COURSE IT’S BECAUSE YOU TRIED TO KILL THAT BABY YOU IDIOT!!!!!!”
I swear someone should check up on Jim Mortimore's health, because... every story he writes is so dang depressing and filled with death. Even The Natural History of Fear is one of Mortimore's more light stories in comparison lol
So in an early chapter in the river song book the ruby’s curse, see talks about frequently visiting her parents, Amy and Rory in New York. She says that she can avoid all the paradox’s because shes uses a vortex manipulator. SO THIS MEANS THAT THE DOCTOR CAN VSIT AND OR SAVE AMY AND RORY!
@@kevanfox1066 That's b******* Because The paradox is around New York we're like a fence and if river in a pogo stick can get through the fence you can expect the doctor in a sports car can get through
Though I haven't read Eternity Weep yet, Blood Heat is also a hell of cruelty and depression, and the storyline of which didn't get "reverted back" since it was not alternative timeline but alternative universe. So 7th Doctor had to destroy this version of universe in the end, condemning its future after he made people in this universe actually believed they had one.
Let's not forget the virus that Peri came into contact with first on this planet and so everyone, including the 5th Doctor, turned into Peri and the Viryans had to clean it all up
I kind of like the concept of a multi-doctor story where several incarnations turn up to kill the antichrist, having probably obtained the knives from Bugenhager in the Omen story. What a weird but brilliant concept. Well the Master became a vicar at Devil's End, so why not?
Depending on how continuity-minded the author is, the child could easily be the offspring of Azael, The Beast, Abaddon, or even all three in a literally unholy orgy.
While I don't get how the Killing Hitler subversion relates to Melody, it does make some sense coming after Good Man Goes to War- another episode about a type of story Dr Who shouldn't be touching
@@SamyulDavis what the f*** do you mean there's a whole ass Arc it's just out of order good man goes to war leads into the astronaut kid in day of the Moon and then it leads into let's kill Hitler and then it leads through every appearance to River Song and then it leads to her meeting 12 and then it leads to her f****** dying it's a good story it's just all whack out of order
None of these things were the Daleks, honest! (And also, the Happy Hazmat Viyrans should have their own song.) Good job Davis! (The BBC Micro sequence left me off thinking of the unusual story of Ken Webster and Thomas Harden; one worth checking out.)
So if I'm remembering correctly, the Vyrians did not create all life, they are just sent out by their mysterious creators to clean up the mess caused by the daleks blowing up the virus station and sending plagues throughout time. The reason the Vyrians want to erase life is not because they, or their creators made it, but because they were just going mad over the course of the Charlotte Pollard box set. There is a second Charlie box set I haven't listened to yet, and that will probably say more about the Vyrians since they are strangely mainly her villain. I will say for anyone interested in the Vyrians stuff, go listen through all the Charlie Pollard stories, or at least the series of 6 and Charlie and then the Charlie Pollard box sets, though most of the stuff with 8 is fantastic there are no Vyrians there. Oh, and aside from "Fall of the house of Pollard," Charlie Pollard volume 1 is pretty mediocre. She basically has no agency the entire time.
@@Chubby_Bub yea basically what Maddie says. The Vyrians conception of viruses and proper response is already pretty whack, but in the Charlotte Pollard box they become convinced that all life is a essentially a virus, and is the originator of all other viruses through evolution. They only care about preventing viruses, not about saving lives.
If you haven't listened yet, highly recommend Fall of the House of Pollard from Charley's spinoff. I also recommend falling asleep and quitting halfway through the second series, which irrc is just different characters saying the word "ruffling" over and over
Davis, I'm tempted to hold ya to the song thing. Has anyone listened to the audio adaptation of Cold Fusion? I need to know if I'm misreading the ending. I'm hoping it's not nearly as dark as I think it is.
@@SamyulDavis Thanks. I'm gonna give it a re-listen. I haven't read it because I haven't done my VNA dive yet. I assume I will, one of these days (for Lungbarrow, if nothing else).
Okay, the baby thing is fucked up, but can we talk about how fucked up Christmas Carol is? It's arguably more intrusive than killing someone as a baby, the Doctor rewrites that dude's whole personality and past, just because he needs his cooperation to save Amy and Rory.
Funny thing is, the idea of rewriting people's past to change them into nicer person so they can help the Doctor has originated from Moffat's first doctor who story: Continuity Errors, in which Moffat actually questioned this action and discussed whether the Doctor had such right to manipulate people's life even in pursuing greater good. Unlike Christmas Carol, the librarian in this story whose life got fully reverted by Doctor refused to help him in the end, yet the Doctor still achieved his goal by help from librarian's daughter who had died in original timeline but was rescued when the Doctor was reverting it
@@vonsixteen548 Rewriting a person was going to be the series arc of Series 1 at one point. The big reveal was going to be that the Doctor, deciding only the best would help him after the Time War, manipulated Rose's life at every point in order to turn her into the perfect companion. Pretty dark, if that meant there's a universe where Chris Eccleston killed Rose's dad.
@@axlrivera5277 Wait, your favourite VNA is Eternity Weeps? That's quite a story to pick as your favourite, I imagine you love Jim Mortimore's work lol
@@englishgiraffe2124 I also enjoyed Blood Heat, I love the rated R aspect of both books. I swear I've never expected a Who character to curse someone else for not being man enough to kill him/her.
Hey all. Who won the "fake fact" contest and what was the fake fact in question? Kind of a Broke Cannon completionist and CANNOT bear not knowing any longer. Appreciated.
Chiba City Blues correctly called out the 'Doctor got a historical figure killed' one as being false. Ashes of Eternity does have a painter main character the Doctor & Rose meet, but she's not actually said to be a famous person.
What the hell was Simon Guerrier doing while writing that Short Trip? He's a great writer, with some great, great work, very in-character work, so just... why?
the pattern of the viral epidemic is so freaken wrong I couldn't not comment on this. im an immunobiochemist in the diagnostic industry and conduct R&D for developing antibody assays, which means I live and breathe population data and analysis. there's no way for the viral infection to destroy only parts of EU. Europe, the continent, is relatively small amd very dense in population, w a much more sophisticated and efficient transportat system. there's no way that only parts of Europe were affected, yet Asia was wiped. just Russia by itself (especially Siberia) creates a geographical barrier for infection due to the fact that it's a huge geographical area that has a sparse population density. a viral infection is only as virulent as the density of its hosts. if any infection got to EU it'd wipe out EU before it can move on to another geographical location. one of the most important factors in microbial pandemics are ease of travel. there's a reason the bubonic plague ravaged Europe but did not cause the same level of devastation in the other continents at the time. ease of travel is incredibly important. it's one of the ways that microbes have access to new hosts.
I'm glad you're engaging with Kant for moral philosophy, but the idea of the categorical imperative has been a bit of a laughing stock in the philosophical world for years. The premise is universalisation, and we cannot distinguish our own desires from what would genuinely work universally because humans just can't think that far. Now that you bring it up though, doctor who's writing (especially rtd with children of earth) has been very anti-utilitarian). Perhaps read into the existentialists for a more modern moral consideration.
School Reunion deleted scene:
Sarah Jane: Anti-matter monsters!
Rose: Gas mask zombies!
Sarah Jane: Real. Living. Dinosaurs!
Rose: Real living Werewolf!
Sarah Jane: I SAW EIGHT OF HIM TRYING TO KILL A CHILD!
(The Doctor enters a minute later to the most awkward silence in history)
Moral of the story: if the Twelfth Doctor gave young Davros a lollipop, he would be a good person and the Daleks wouldn’t exist.
So what would happen if I flipped off a certain Gremlin child on Gallifrey would we get a timeline with the valley art equivalents of the main line doctors including a war Doctor Who rules Gallifrey and actually likes himself like yeah he would be evil but he deserves it
If you want to get a little more kid-friendly, there's always the muppet Doctor from Sesame street, complete with two-eyed daleks
I wheezed and clapped in satisfaction when I found out about that.
And that both the 5th and 10th Doctor's have met the PIGS IN SPACE! (sorry for the caps, but that does have to be said in epic voice lol).
You guys are guessing all the pre-planned facts!
Tegan: “I’m sick off all the death Doctor!!! I can’t take it any more!!!!”
5: “…Is this because I tried to kill tha-“
Tegan: “OF COURSE IT’S BECAUSE YOU TRIED TO KILL THAT BABY YOU IDIOT!!!!!!”
Me: *Looks at all the Racnos babies* ''...You might want to sit down.''
The image of 8 of the Doctor's all showing up with knives in a curch made me laugh
I love that it's the Sixth Doctor that had the robotic cat as the companion
IF YOUR ESSAY ON SPLINX IS NOT AT LEAST AN HOUR LONG I WILL HAVE YOU CANCELLED
I swear someone should check up on Jim Mortimore's health, because... every story he writes is so dang depressing and filled with death. Even The Natural History of Fear is one of Mortimore's more light stories in comparison lol
So in an early chapter in the river song book the ruby’s curse, see talks about frequently visiting her parents, Amy and Rory in New York. She says that she can avoid all the paradox’s because shes uses a vortex manipulator. SO THIS MEANS THAT THE DOCTOR CAN VSIT AND OR SAVE AMY AND RORY!
Yep, that's mad.
I feel like River totally realized that and didn’t tell him.
According to river the tardis is too big of a time machine to avoid paradoxes areas
@@kevanfox1066 That's b******* Because The paradox is around New York we're like a fence and if river in a pogo stick can get through the fence you can expect the doctor in a sports car can get through
Though I haven't read Eternity Weep yet, Blood Heat is also a hell of cruelty and depression, and the storyline of which didn't get "reverted back" since it was not alternative timeline but alternative universe. So 7th Doctor had to destroy this version of universe in the end, condemning its future after he made people in this universe actually believed they had one.
Let's not forget the virus that Peri came into contact with first on this planet and so everyone, including the 5th Doctor, turned into Peri and the Viryans had to clean it all up
Planet of Peris. Should we introduce them to that one planet of all Rorys?
@@calvinfranklyn5499
The planet of The Masters: ''We are suing all of you for copyright infringement.''
@@calvinfranklyn5499 True love
Yes.
7:53 I honest to god said 7 outloud and now i'm DYING looool
Also, wasn't in 2003 the first big SARS (SARS-CoV-1) epidemic? YIIIIIIIIIIKES 😬😬😬
I kind of like the concept of a multi-doctor story where several incarnations turn up to kill the antichrist, having probably obtained the knives from Bugenhager in the Omen story. What a weird but brilliant concept. Well the Master became a vicar at Devil's End, so why not?
Depending on how continuity-minded the author is, the child could easily be the offspring of Azael, The Beast, Abaddon, or even all three in a literally unholy orgy.
@@natsmith303
Now I'm imaging them doing that:/ Thanks.
@@jeckjeck3119 Happy to help!
Didn't Ace try to kill hitler her self?
Oh an Charlotte Pollard all on Spotify.
While I don't get how the Killing Hitler subversion relates to Melody, it does make some sense coming after Good Man Goes to War- another episode about a type of story Dr Who shouldn't be touching
I do wonder why Wedding of River Song and Astronaut don't follow through with it, too.
@@SamyulDavis what the f*** do you mean there's a whole ass Arc it's just out of order good man goes to war leads into the astronaut kid in day of the Moon and then it leads into let's kill Hitler and then it leads through every appearance to River Song and then it leads to her meeting 12 and then it leads to her f****** dying it's a good story it's just all whack out of order
The anti life
They may be suicide bombing
But DC be suing
None of these things were the Daleks, honest!
(And also, the Happy Hazmat Viyrans should have their own song.)
Good job Davis!
(The BBC Micro sequence left me off thinking of the unusual story of Ken Webster and Thomas Harden; one worth checking out.)
Can we go back to that Heatran mineral or whatever it was called. Something tells me its not as dire.
More cheery next time? So Faction Paradox it is!
So if I'm remembering correctly, the Vyrians did not create all life, they are just sent out by their mysterious creators to clean up the mess caused by the daleks blowing up the virus station and sending plagues throughout time. The reason the Vyrians want to erase life is not because they, or their creators made it, but because they were just going mad over the course of the Charlotte Pollard box set. There is a second Charlie box set I haven't listened to yet, and that will probably say more about the Vyrians since they are strangely mainly her villain. I will say for anyone interested in the Vyrians stuff, go listen through all the Charlie Pollard stories, or at least the series of 6 and Charlie and then the Charlie Pollard box sets, though most of the stuff with 8 is fantastic there are no Vyrians there. Oh, and aside from "Fall of the house of Pollard," Charlie Pollard volume 1 is pretty mediocre. She basically has no agency the entire time.
I didn’t even know of them before this, but it sounds like they want to destroy all life so that viruses can't spread anymore…?
@@Chubby_Bub i think their idea is that life itself is a virus
@@Chubby_Bub yea basically what Maddie says. The Vyrians conception of viruses and proper response is already pretty whack, but in the Charlotte Pollard box they become convinced that all life is a essentially a virus, and is the originator of all other viruses through evolution. They only care about preventing viruses, not about saving lives.
If you haven't listened yet, highly recommend Fall of the House of Pollard from Charley's spinoff. I also recommend falling asleep and quitting halfway through the second series, which irrc is just different characters saying the word "ruffling" over and over
I'll listen! Sissy Pollard is coming up in one already recorded too :)
idk I think 6 wouldn't even hesitate
I actually said, “7th”. It was freaky when you confirmed I was right.
Davis, I'm tempted to hold ya to the song thing.
Has anyone listened to the audio adaptation of Cold Fusion? I need to know if I'm misreading the ending. I'm hoping it's not nearly as dark as I think it is.
I've put Cold Fusion off for years and years. I'll keep it in mind when I do give it a go.
@@SamyulDavis Thanks. I'm gonna give it a re-listen. I haven't read it because I haven't done my VNA dive yet. I assume I will, one of these days (for Lungbarrow, if nothing else).
I've heard the audio yea
I would also not kill hitler because that would make starfish hitler no longer exist
I literally only read about the Liz Shaw dying fact on Reddit a week ago lol
If you get into the Charlotte Pollard spin-off, be prepared to wait potentially years for the third boxset that'll resolve everything.
You always forget how fucked up the Wilderness Years were
I recognized the luck virus from Red Dwarf
I actually guessed 7, a very satisfying moment
Just be glad 4 brought Sarah Jane instead of leela
I guessed 7 correctly and for a second I was freaking out because of the reply from the video
Charley is probably my favorite companion, are those solo stories worth listening to?
Time control is murder.
Okay, the baby thing is fucked up, but can we talk about how fucked up Christmas Carol is? It's arguably more intrusive than killing someone as a baby, the Doctor rewrites that dude's whole personality and past, just because he needs his cooperation to save Amy and Rory.
Amy says "He was trying to turn you into a nicer person. And he was trying to do it nicely." I wonder what the not nice way would be
@@beepboopethanj *cocks gun* "Be nice, or else-"
@@HiperPivociarz
It's kinda scary how he can just rewrite people like that.
Funny thing is, the idea of rewriting people's past to change them into nicer person so they can help the Doctor has originated from Moffat's first doctor who story: Continuity Errors, in which Moffat actually questioned this action and discussed whether the Doctor had such right to manipulate people's life even in pursuing greater good. Unlike Christmas Carol, the librarian in this story whose life got fully reverted by Doctor refused to help him in the end, yet the Doctor still achieved his goal by help from librarian's daughter who had died in original timeline but was rescued when the Doctor was reverting it
@@vonsixteen548 Rewriting a person was going to be the series arc of Series 1 at one point. The big reveal was going to be that the Doctor, deciding only the best would help him after the Time War, manipulated Rose's life at every point in order to turn her into the perfect companion. Pretty dark, if that meant there's a universe where Chris Eccleston killed Rose's dad.
Oh, Interference!
I feel scammed, thoughtthta he was going to talk about the 'baby murdering' part (that reads like a teleplay) in Interference.
Forgiven since you talked about my favorite VNA.
@@axlrivera5277 Wait, your favourite VNA is Eternity Weeps? That's quite a story to pick as your favourite, I imagine you love Jim Mortimore's work lol
@@englishgiraffe2124 I also enjoyed Blood Heat, I love the rated R aspect of both books. I swear I've never expected a Who character to curse someone else for not being man enough to kill him/her.
Hey all. Who won the "fake fact" contest and what was the fake fact in question? Kind of a Broke Cannon completionist and CANNOT bear not knowing any longer. Appreciated.
Chiba City Blues correctly called out the 'Doctor got a historical figure killed' one as being false. Ashes of Eternity does have a painter main character the Doctor & Rose meet, but she's not actually said to be a famous person.
What the hell was Simon Guerrier doing while writing that Short Trip? He's a great writer, with some great, great work, very in-character work, so just... why?
wait you dont get eternity weeps? easy! time war....
Aztec in colouer...
do you know where I can find a list of big finish exclusive monsters and comic exclusive monsters
could you do one about all the mid dr who games
I feel like a bit of silly
Next broke cannon fact. What is in the twelfth doctors search history?
BDSM, according to River
@@SamyulDavis what story is that fact from? I couldn’t find it on the wiki
This is totally babies.
I recently listened to zagreaus was wanting to know what's the next episode to listen to?
Scherzo. Google the Divergent Universe arc :)
@@SamyulDavis thank you
Scratch man was amazing
Hollywood just stole half the plot of "kill the moon" in moon fall, seemed better handled in the movie
that's the more sacrilege i've heard all week
@@SamyulDavis lol XD
Plot got so cheesy near the end, the moon's full of cheese🧀🤣
it's pronounced VI-RANS !!!
the pattern of the viral epidemic is so freaken wrong I couldn't not comment on this. im an immunobiochemist in the diagnostic industry and conduct R&D for developing antibody assays, which means I live and breathe population data and analysis.
there's no way for the viral infection to destroy only parts of EU.
Europe, the continent, is relatively small amd very dense in population, w a much more sophisticated and efficient transportat system. there's no way that only parts of Europe were affected, yet Asia was wiped. just Russia by itself (especially Siberia) creates a geographical barrier for infection due to the fact that it's a huge geographical area that has a sparse population density.
a viral infection is only as virulent as the density of its hosts.
if any infection got to EU it'd wipe out EU before it can move on to another geographical location.
one of the most important factors in microbial pandemics are ease of travel.
there's a reason the bubonic plague ravaged Europe but did not cause the same level of devastation in the other continents at the time.
ease of travel is incredibly important. it's one of the ways that microbes have access to new hosts.
So... the Viryans and Darkseid are gonna team up? Right?
You don't like the Do I have the right scene? Interesting
I believe Davis was referring to Thirteen's "flat team structure" speech from Haunting of Villa Diodati.
I'm glad you're engaging with Kant for moral philosophy, but the idea of the categorical imperative has been a bit of a laughing stock in the philosophical world for years. The premise is universalisation, and we cannot distinguish our own desires from what would genuinely work universally because humans just can't think that far. Now that you bring it up though, doctor who's writing (especially rtd with children of earth) has been very anti-utilitarian). Perhaps read into the existentialists for a more modern moral consideration.
Kant sucks and was a loser lmao
Also existentialism bad
@@DayOldMeat what, praytell.....good?