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Recorded in February 2013, Dennis Orcollo and Jayson Shaw in the finals of the 17th Annual Jay Swanson Memorial 9 Ball Tournament. Dennis had already opened with a 3-Pack and we join them in this video at a score of 4-2 to Dennis.
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Look at the layout of the balls, exactly the same, just the 1 felt in the middle pocket one time.
I noticed this too. Makes it way less impressive.
rare treat getting to listen to Bill Incardona commentary
watch 15:28 till the 9 gone, 18:35 till the 9 pocketed and 22:00 to the 9 pocketed DEJAVUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
+July Yep. For weak players only.
+July Illuminati
+July Wow. Crazy
+July
WOW. I copy pasted into ms paint, and it's the same ball layout each time roughly (minus a few inches). Holy shit.
Hey Billy, just wanted to tell you that listening to your expert explanations of the game and the shots has been for many years unequaled in insight, strategy, the right shots, what the player is attempting to accomplish, actually in every way your commentary is just the best. Wish you were still doing it more. Maybe it takes somebody with a pretty good understanding of the game to really appreciate the value of your comments. I go back to the days of playing Jersey Red and Handsome Danny Jones one pocket in Houston... (with weight.. lol) So I just wanted to let you know that this former player/gambler considers it's a real added treat to have you commenting on what the players are doing from A to Z. Thanks again and good luck.....
This has always been one of my favorite memorials to play in. Much appreciated.
Forget pattern racking. If I laid out this table same 10x, I'd be lucky to run out once or twice. So everyone complaining, go play orcollo a few sets for money. I'm a SVB fan but just stating the obvious here. The man can shoot.
+Le Ba Vu Yes Dennis can shoot very well but if all of the top players pattern racked and had the same rack, then other players could probably run packages very often like Dennis did. Use a wooden rack with the balls laid out randomly and let a player run a large package; that is much harder. It's a moot point for this tournament though because there were apparently no rules against pattern racking and soft breaks.
+Daniel Askew Corey Deuel started the soft break years ago and won lots of games but no one complained then
@@harabas3499 they literally changed the rules in most tournaments because of corey deuel
Well players will push for advantage with what rules are on the table. Ref should rack. Rack your own is a terrible rule
4,6,7 and 9 ball are all in basically the same spot after every break. Not taking away anything from him running 6 but he's clearly putting a the "corey duel special" on him
+wade stanley while ive seen deuel pattern rack, he usually switches between 4 or 5 different patterns. Dennis is blatantly putting the balls in the same spots to rack. Its not like deuel corrupted dennis and is some monster degrading the game of pool.
I don't know the rules from 2013 of this tournament. In 2016 the Official BCA Rules were used. And rhis rules say for the 9-Ball Rack: "The balls are racked as follows... d. the remaining balls are placed at random". So pattern racking would be a violation of the tournament rules.
Jayson Shaw never complained because he can do the same thing when he racks if he wanted to. Dennis still have to clear out the rest of the balls so there's still work to be done. I would say he took time to practice this break and it paid off. It's not like one can just step up to a match and break like this. Props to Dennis for coming up with this strategy before the match. People complain but very few if any at all, can do what he did. People who can put racks together will never complain, they'll just do the same thing when it's their turn.
Magic Rack always helps this. But you’re right
He is also a good player. Many top players given the same rack wouldn't be able to run out like that.
+DPMAce hell yeah!
he is the best pool player I love his game
glad to see denis game being on
I agree that break pattern makes easy for a high level player run out more racks. If the rules allow it I would take advantage of it. Remember the opponent has the same choice and the same rules apply
+Juan Garcia
" If the rules allow it I would take advantage of it. Remember the opponent has the same choice and the same rules apply"
Yeah but if he doesn't get to shoot...welllll :)
Well.... Dont miss, play intelligent and is a risk to take playing at high level competition...a price to pay when playing at that level
Billy was dead-on here about the pattern racking... Jay was being pretty obtuse about it tbh. Dennis obviously plays fantastic but for someone of his skill to be allowed to rack like this is basically an autoloss for his opponent
Pattern racking should definitely be prohibited in a tournament especially where there are players of this skill level playing.
Agreed. I think pattern racking should be illegal in all games lol. But then u run into new debate of "defining" pattern racking lol. And even if so, the pros will study and practice it too.
+WaFFLeS no one complained when Strickland suggested that the number 2 ball should be placed at one end opposite the 9 ball when racking, saying that the player who breaks first should be rewarded a shot at the 2 ball if a ball or couple of balls gets pocketed after the break, and it was followed, during the world pool league i.e. the referee always racked it that way, and Strickland even won the championship against Django and though im rooting for the latter, the player who played better just won, no complains
regardless of how balls are racked a more skillful player will always find a way on how to get more advantage after breaking, thats just it !!!
so i guess the best way is to follow the alternate break rule, but as the commentators said its nice to see players run out racks in succession, i personally prefer it that way, to give better chance to both players, maybe they just add more games like instead of race to 11, they can make it race to 15 or 17
***** Mika Immonen also does pattern racking
tell that to corey deuel as well
+WaFFLeS i very much agree. the pattern of each rack needs to be randomized via computer.
So the commentator says "It's really unfair that Dennis keeps soft breaking and making the corner ball on the break everytime." NO IT ISN'T. It's NOT unfair if he's that good and knows what he's doing. This is the game of pool. It would be like saying it's unfair that Michael Jordan makes his jump shot EVERY time. Again, it's not unfair if he's that good and knows what he's doing. It's the game of basketball. Maybe the opposing player or team thinks it's unfair - they shouldn't - but what is the main reason for the game? It's not the players. It's the fans watching who bring in the money that pays for everything to make the game possible including the players winnings or salaries in the case of basketball, etc. And what do the fans want to see? What is exciting to watch. It's a player down 2 - 9 in a race to 13 who then runs 11 racks and wins. It may not be fun for the losing player, but that kind of play brings the fans and their money into the game. It's what makes pool great the same way Jordan's shooting brings fans to the game to watch or a team goes to the playoffs undefeated all season long. That really brings out the fans to watch just as it would a pool player who was undefeated, meaning won every game, not just every match (I don't know if it ever happened, but I give it for example because it would really bring out the fans). We as a society like good play and winners and we'll pay to see it. Finally, the commentator says again, "In my opinion, it's not really fair." If the balls are properly put in the rack at random, only the 1 ball can be played for shape everytime. The problem is Dennis is racking his own balls and in the same way every time, not at random. This is matter of not following the rules and nobody appears to be complaining about. So, I'm sorry, the commentator should know this himself and In my opinion he should not downplay the game he's commentating. Now the other commentator does know everything I just said and shows his knowledge of the game with his remarks.
Well, I’ve always believed the break in 9-ball was a flawed way to continue a game, considering its randomness.. However, rack templates that make the corner ball dead is, IMO, an overreaction the opposite direction.. Especially for pros..
My solution is simple.. Quit playing 9-ball, and go back to straight pool.. The true cream rises playing straight pool..
pattern racking or not its still all about skills, just so happens that some players just practice while others not only practice but also study the game and that makes them win more games
Dennis is a three time DCC Master of the Table
Then if a player gets called he moves a couple balls around then it's not pattern racking ... He still has to run out.. if u guys think it's easy try it..
nice dennis. i was hanging out with him last year in lafeyette. and i thought alex pagulyan started the soft break not cory duel.
As great as this is, he's clearly pattern racking. The 4, 6, 7 are always in the same spot and the 5, 9 are in the same spot multiple times. Never understood why world beaters have to do this kind of stuff.
Have tried doing what orcullo did? So called pattern racking? Did run out the table? I dont think so
I ran 11 racks on a guy, once.. No rack template, no jump cue.. No pattern racking.. No excuses..
@@jacobjones5269 no you didn't
@@wesleysnipes1873
Calm down.. I’ve been playing for 30 years and it’s only happened once.. And it was for dinner, so not a lot of pressure either..
I did enjoy that dinner, though.. lol..
@@jacobjones5269 yeah. Not buying it.
the commentators even mention it, the 4,6,7,9 all end up basically in the same spot after each break... hes ending up with the same shot on the 6,7,9 to end each game...i give him credit... he is making the shots, but he is playing the same game over and over and over
I do agree, there is no reason not to play alternate break. I get that he's good enough to run 6 racks in a row, and he's awesome for being able to do that, but there is nothing fair about a contest with an unequal amount of breaks. That isn't how to determine who the better player is.
Pretty much the same run out every time
Try to run it
Pretty impressive pattern racking or not. Alternate break and 10 ball is a better format for tournaments imo. Orcollo prolly would have won anyway without the pattern racking. U can't blame a guy for playing within the rules he was given. I'd bet money that all the other players were racking the same patterns every time as well and trying to duplicate each break to make wing balls too. Shaw didn't complain cuz he was prolly doing the same thing but not as successfully. Silly format imo but I guess this is why they play 10 ball now. I think 8ball w random racks is the most interesting format and wish they'd play that more often.
I'm a little shocked that pattern racking is allowed in any tournament with with top tier players. When they get a shot after the break they usually run out with an open table anyways. Dennis is a great player with or without a pattern rack but there is no question that it gave him an unfair advantage here. Almost every table had the same layout after the break. You could fast forward from one rack to the next & not tell a difference in the table. I've always been a big fan of Dennis Orcollo but after seeing this, I'll have a hard time rooting for him.
+Gary
Generally you are suppose to rank the one and 9 in their places and the rest get randomly placed. Jason really should have said something.
Players will push for an advantage with the rules that they are working with. Does the rule state pattern racking is illegal? Rack your own format is wrong to begin with.
Even if you play pattern pool, you still have to execute.
If your racking your own in a 9 ball tournament, is there any reason NOT to pattern rack? After all, everyone participating is trying to give themselves an edge (hopefully except for sharking). As far as making a ball consistently in the side pocket, I've seen examples of being able to do this by fudging a traditional rack, but they're using a template. It looks like Dennis just has the table figured out.
What a great run
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its worth mentioning how tough this table is. like a hair under 4 inch pockets, a six pack is ridiculous.
+deezcolorsnorun They fooled you and quite a few other players. The only shot he made in 6 racks that was semi-tough was one 1 ball. Not one position shot was difficult in all 6 racks.
+Linda Stevens what you missed is how the object ball was shot to prepare for the next ball, Dennis' ball control was near perfect thats why it all looked sooooo easy , 9:15 for example looks easy but not as easy to execute
+Harabas349 Thats actually a very common shot in 8 ball. Its draw with inside english. Easily the most common draw shot in 8 ball, and a must know for anyone looking to play in higher level tournaments
NO to pattern racking but Yes/Maybe to soft breaking as long as the rules allow it.
People have no idea how tight this table is! It WILL mess with your mind. Any doubt on a shot and you will miss it.
I've run a clearance plus 5 racks on a tight K-Steel ll.
Dennis did a rack pattern trick and how he breaks the ball and the ball on the corner will get it again and again.try to observed the 1 & 4 ,it always stay on the sam spot.hahaha!
Beautyfull break
If i were on a run for seven packs i would never stop with a push out but try to kick the 2 in. By the way pattern racking can easily be prevented if the opponent racks the balls. And kitchen rule should apply
Many comments here about pattern racking, my comment is will be suggesting alternate breaks. If pattern racking is foul how come no official/referee stepped in? Jason Shaw didn’t even bother, unlike Strickland complaining with SBV during their match.
i don't get how all these clown complaining about pattern racking. I give you a 3:1 to run out like Dennis just did. He is simply just too good. I just don't know why people keep coming with one excuse after another.
When a football team scores, the other team gets the ball. The break must be rotated, this isn't pinochle backyard basketball
you better stay to farmin
The ref should rack every time, the breaker shouldn't be able to pattern rack, would that make it more fair?
Every one of his breaks is illegal if according to new rule.
bkit sa tingin nyo si jAyson shaw nd nag papatern racking.
And go ahead pattern rack any of you so called players complaining about orcolo I'll give you the same chance you would be lucky to run 2 racks
He does not rack the balls straight. He tilts it, giving the wing ball a pathway to the corner pocket.
Billy is my favorite commentator wish it was more of this in the pool videos not that nonsense they talk about
He didn't break no rules. Dennis is a hustler
Gold crown on Dennis
I thought there’s a rule on breaking rack that at least 3 reaches the bottom end of table? Orcollo’s break seems weak than what’s usual.
this is the reason why the 3 ball headstring rule was created... but some tournaments don't do that rule still because even if you break hard sometimes 3 balls don't reach the headstring.
Can you link to the original match? I remember watching it before.
What is package racking?? im new here...
+Voornaam Achternaam its called pattern racking, it means the balls are put into a specific pattern. so when you break you know where which ball will go
Thank you
+Voornaam Achternaam It's for wearer players looking for a cheap advantage, you know, other than actual shot making ability
you're pretty stupid to think dennis is a weaker player lmfao
I never said he was, and for the Record dennis really doesn't have many titles, just a reputation for being a good money player. He's consistent. Players who pattern rack are hurting the sport. I mean who the heck wants to watch the same rack over and over? Exactly
2 at the back every time is not fair, surprised it was allowed at this tournament. Also not a fan of the magic rack as the break is extremely predictable. Not taking anything from Dennis but one thing the game of 9-ball does not need to be for him is easier
Jay is such a suck up to Dennis. Dennis is a great player but he often has a disrespectful attitude toward other players, especially if he is losing, and sometimes lacks class. Jay always makes excuses for Dennis and treats him like a god, but I guess if you're betting on Dennis like Jay often does, then you will probably talk him up.
Dennis stays at his house...
seen shane vanboening do 8 pack five foot away from the table the whole time
that was 10 ball tho mite even be harder then nine ball
WTF this video stopped before the game was over. Guess Orcollo won....
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Sorry I'm new to pool. Why doesn't he have to shoot the 9 ball sometimes?
Level Empire - Energy thats called compliment from his opponent,if the last ball (9) posisition is looks easy to pocket,the opponent just give up to respect the player.
Why they didnt get a referee ?
this commentator hating on Dennis should shut up and just admire him because he has never and will never play at this level.
How many " six packs"you the think Billy Incarfuckendona has run?
not trying to take away anything from dennis, hes one of the best money players on earth in his generation. but magic rack + pattern racking without 3-ball pass headstring? you're asking for trouble when you're playing dennis.
I'm very new to pool. Can someone explain why he is not pocketing the nine ball at the end? Don't you have to pocket the 9 ball to win the rack?
c140075 cause their easy shots for him. They all know he's gonna make it
c140075 you can pocket the 9 ball at any time but may only use the object ball to hit the 9
In professional matches (especially money ones) when a player sees his opponent has too easy shot(s) on the last ball(s), he/she will tell the opponent to skip the shots and proceed to a new game. At professional level, you kind of know which shots/situations can never go wrong, so there's no point forcing your opponent to shoot.
Philippines players do this a lot in money games. Sometimes they skip up to the 7 ball if they find the current position is too easy for their opponent.
Where is the rest of the match
Look it up. 'Dennis v shaw povpool'
i like orcullo but those magic rack gotta go. tolerance are so tight that people know how to pattern rack and know where the balls go. should go back to a good triangle.
why was he able to skip pocketing the 9 on one of the racks?
dale6998 cause the rule is u have to hit the lowest number number ball with the cue ball. Dennis used the 6 to hit the 9 into the pocket which is legal cause all u have to do is hit it, not to make it in the pocket
Deadshot Sling no, I'm asking about when the 9 is the only ball on the table. he stops shooting and the match is over. why is that legal?
dale6998 my guess is because they're easy shots and everybody knows that he's gonna make it. If Jayson and the tournament director is okay with it then it's legal.
Because Shaw told him he doesn’t have to shoot it.
dale6998 , the last ball is basically on the hole, his opponent concedes so he did not need to shoot it.
So what if he patter raking , who can run the ball like he can , not any body
just need to apply soft break rule, none of the breaks woult be legal
I have to disagree. I personally think BI is a lowsy commentator. He won't shut up. He rambles about as much as Chris Collinsworthless. Daddy D is the best!
Is it against the rules??? if it is, then let a referee rack the balls....why would the BCA inject a potential controversy when it could totally be avoided..DUH..endofstory
19:50 What is wrong with these commentators- 2 must be on the bottom at Hard Times tourneys they've obviously never competed there. If it was up to him I'm sure he would have loved to rack the 2 next to the one.
21:06 the commentator is crying unfair. Tell that to Strickland, Deuel or Immonen. 😂😂😂
He really is pattern racking. Until someone calls it out then oh well.
He had to say something about Filipinos....smh
As a chess player, I find it hard to imagine a competition where the player who wins gets to play as White every game as long as he keeps on winning. It's a clear advantage for the player who happens to get the first runable rack. I don't understand how this is normal in pool. it certainly isn't in any other professional game I can think of.
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More excuses please!
+Mark Anthony Bucol hahaha!
+Harabas349 ji9
wtf, 10:05 why didn't he pocket the 9 ball after the 8
we filipinos are masters of billards. we have a lot of professional players
laki n ng tyan ni orcullo kaka inom
Magic rack and a slow break. NOTHING Special. Sad really. Thanks for helping kill pool
Looking forward to your 6 pack upload.
Rack your own is some BS..
Pattern racking is the only way he can beat Jayson...little cheater
Christer Foldnes i
Yawn... I’m sorry, but there’s really nothing impressive about 9-ball.. I’ve done this many times..
I’d much rather watch a guy run 10 and out all night long, giving up the nuts playing one pocket to someone, and breaking them..
This is just unethical. By the way, get rid of that stupid Magic Rack and go back to the triangle.
racists.
Old fat bald blabbering racist pigs.
Nine ball is a dead game anyway
Pattern racking at it's best. 2,3,4 in the back 6,7 up front, 5,8 corner balls and a soft break to make the corner ball. The 2 comes off the bottom rail and comes up by the side every time. Check the racks on this video, they're all the same. This guy is a cheat just like Mike Dechaine. 6 pack? How tough is that if you're guaranteed a shot at the 1 and 2 and guaranteed the corner ball every time? In the last rack when he breaks, the 2 fails to come off the bottom rail and he makes the 1 on the break. He should be able to run 9 and out cheating like this. This is conduct unbecoming of a player and reason for disqualification. Dennis Orcullo has no ethics and we wonder why pool is dying when we have to see stuff like this? If you're looking to spot sleaziness among the pros, look no further than this video. Now go wonder why companies don't want to sponsor tournaments.
Ahh yes, Dennis the cheater. Pattern racking is his specialty.