Racism IS in The Book of Mormon, but...
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War is part of the human condition. Unless everyone is trying to live the gospel, you enjoy peace only because someone is doing violence on your behalf.
Thank you. I hate war. But if you don't sweat in peace time, you bleed in war time. Always be prepared. I couldn't understand this when I was a civilian,( because I'm not the brightest bulb in the box.) but once I served in the Marines and part of our training was learning history and what our fore fathers wanted. And they believed God showed them what to do. And so do I. So again I say . Hate war . But always be prepared for it.
Not only is the Book of Mormon not racist, it actually goes counter to the view that many racists have. Racists have often felt that being white made on superior to those who were dark skin or black. The story of the Book of Mormon contradicts it. Sometimes whites are righteous and sometimes they are not. Some times dark skin people are righteous and sometimes they are not. God does not play favorites regarding skin color but whether they are righteous. The Book of Mormon ends with the dark skin people destroying the white skin people. Kind of an odd ending if one views white skin being superior to dark skin. A racist would not write that kind of ending. Its clear teaching is God does not care about skin color, which is something that people fixate on.
What hogwash. The people who repented eventually became white in the Book of Mormon. Read 4th Nephi. BEFORE the people became unified they all became fair again.
"And now, behold, it came to pass that the people of Nephi did wax strong, and did multiply exceedingly fast, and became an exceedingly fair and delightsome people."
4th Nephi 1:10
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"There were no robbers, nor murderers, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God."
4 Nephi 1:17
You cannot have a functional, peaceful, or moral society with dark skinned people in it. The BoM is very clear on this even if you want to pretend it isn't.
@@fightingfortruth9806you need to work on reading comprehension if that’s what you got from those verses.
33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he d denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
2 Nephi 26:33
2 Nephi 26:33 has literally nothing to do with my point. Yes, EVERYONE is invited to come to Christ and repent, however that doesn't change the fact that the BoM is clear that functional civilization is impossible with different races. The Nephites did their best during their entire history keeping the dark skinned Lamanites OUT of their lands.
The Book of Mormon could be classified as an epic tragedy.
Facts. It's warning against what doesn't work.
@@bartonbagnes4605 war worked many times. Many times it was necessary for survival. This guy missed the point of why Mormon put all of the war in the he book. Unless there is profound righteousness you only have peace because of violence.
@@ca417pc9 There is definitely a difference between why God commands wars, to eliminate evil beliefs and practices in the land. And the reason everyone else starts wars, to gain power, control or wealth.
I don't know anyone that's seen Starship Troopers that didn't understand that it's satire.
Starship troopers! They have a scene where the mormons get killed by the bugs😊
It took you guys that long to find this?🪳🪳🪳🪳
Wars do work. Sometimes for the good guys, and sometimes for the bad guys. Moroni went to war against the kingmen. Worked for him. The Lamanites went to war to exterminate Nephites culture. It worked.
War also, you know, stopped the holocaust and ended slavery. A war also allowed for the protestant reformation and a war created the very nation in which the gospel could be restored. I hate it when these guys go along with Kwaku's hippie dippy BS.
I think the biggest example of that is world war 2. What if no one did anything about the gas chambers
Bringham Young openly said that interracial marriages aren't allowed. I'm sorry but you're book did describe racism.
Humans😊
Brigham Young was absolutely right. Great man. Great prophet. It's sad to see so many throw him under the bus. To their own damnation...
Old History
Wars worked for Captain Moroni. War worked for the American Revolution. I wouldn't say the BoM denounces war at all. It pronounces war for defending your people and your people's values.
God apparently curses people that displease him with dark or black skin. So what did Kwaku do?
What did YOU do to “earn God’s favor?” 😂 get out of town.
What did Kwaku do? Watch most of his commentary and its easy to see. The guy is a loony toon.
That's all nonsense. This is why the book of Mormon is DANGEROUS, and NOT biblical. Evangelicals and Protestants are crushing you guys in numbers. The bible says to preach to all tribes and tongues, it never mentions race as indicator of righteousness.
@@fightingfortruth9806 and I’m sure you’re perfection personified 😂
The Book of Mormon condemns polygamy and whoredom as a gross crime..
Not exactly actually. You need to dig deeper. You need to understand when god allows it and the conditions that must be met. David and Solomon took upon themselves wives that were no authorized and given by Gods servants.
Starship Troopers has anti Mormon scenes
One of the very first lessons of the Book of Mormon is that sometimes you need to kill to defend your freedoms. Nephi vs Laban. Don't let anyone tell you that the Book of Mormon denounces war.
Kwaku is a wicked deceiver.
It's satire? So Joseph Smith was a comedian? 🤔 Now I understand the context of the Book of Mormon! 🤣🤣
As an ex-mormon and former missionary, I think that their characterization of the BoM is hilarious. The BoM is a joke. It's the biggest joke played on humanity. I'm so glad that more and more Mormons are waking up to that fact.
Ahhhh...the Book of Mormon is satire!!! Everything is starting to make sense
Interesting
I would politely disagree. I believe that the BoM isn't racist in ANY way. If God was ONLY merciful, then yes, this would be racist, but God isn't solely Merciful. He is ALSO Just. God is a God of mercy and justice. certain punishments and actions must come to pass. God NEVER does something without reason. Each and every descision he makes is the GREATEST choice he can make in each and every situation, or else he would be denied his divinity and would cease to be God.
The Book of Mormon is as racist as you make it. If you believe in the God of the BoM, then it isn't racist. If you don't, then... Yeah.
Stating that a group of people were cursed with black skin isn't racist. A statement that a yard is dry and lacking color may be interpreted as being discriminatory, but you're telling the truth, either way. It is how you CHOOSE to interpret it that determines how racist it is.
Sorry to offend. All you out there who disagree with me: please give the BoM a try, and come learn more about the God that you ALREADY know about.
We didn't say the book of mormon IS racist, just that it contains racism. Just as one might say the Book of Mormon has lots of violence, but the book itself is not violent
@@WARDRADIO Ohh, okay. And please don't get me wrong, I wasn't meaning to be rude. (Edit: I really don't want to become enemies with you guys, you're channel is great! :) I think I just misinterpreted.)
Maybe not the right place to ask, but there are several almost viral anti/ex-mo videos by Delafe Testimonies on YT. Would make for an interesting rebuttal/reaction.
Alma and Amulek go to preach to those different than them because God does not discriminate.
Samuel the lamanite is called as a prophet because God does not discriminate.
Black and white, bond and free, male and female.
Lol you miss the point of Starship Troopers... primarily because Paul Verhoeven missed the point of Starship Troopers (the book)... and just like him you are missing the point.
People are pointing out the racism of oh you have dark skin (i.e. natives and blacks) that means you are cursed, if you become mormon your skin will lighten and you won't be cursed. Which is a ridiculous and incredibly racist premise.
Ummm.. What?
Verhoeven's ST fails as satire as the humans are 100% justified in killing bugs, despite his dressing the humans in Hugo Boss, and despite war being sad. There was no option for peaceful coexistence.
The BoM makes explicit that people are cursed when they choose to reject God, regardless of skin colour and they will mark themselves and become identifiable. You can see the truth of this today.
People with media literacy will tell you that the humans are the bad guys, people with antimormon animus will tell you the Book of Mormon is racist. Read the books, watch the movie and learn for yourself.
I agree, I don't think it's open to interpretation. Joseph Smith was not educated on the Native Americans, he also had several spelling errors in his book. I honestly doubt that ever read the entire bible. Otherwise he would know the verse that says "we don't marry in heaven." Which is completely contradictory to the book of mormon. He either didn't study the bible or forgot all about several verses.
Please name the verse in the Book of Mormon that contradicts "we don't marry in heaven"
@@rs72098 Do you think Joseph was writing the book, making spelling mistakes?
Based!!
The part in Jacob where god is literally condemning the nephites for oppressing lamanites because of their dark skin, and basically said “you attribute their black skin to unrighteousness, but behold, in the eyes of god their skins are whiter than yours” how more clear could it get that he’s CONDEMNING racism? He was using their racist stereotypes against them
That's not what he said. Stop lying.
"O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God"
Jacob 3:8
White skin is absolutely an indicator of righteousness.
@@fightingfortruth9806That's a Mormon belief, not a Christian belief. In the bible, it says to preach the gospel to all tribes and tongues. One of the first converts was an Ethiopian. No bible verse ever mentions white skin is an indicator of righteousness, NONE. In fact the song of Solomon talks about tanning.
@@fightingfortruth9806 you literally just said borderline word for word what I said, it isn’t my fault you don’t understand métaphores
Ethiopia was white during the time of Christ. The entire Mediterranean and Levant was white.
Dark skin didn't appear until the 7th century AD. The Middle East did not look like it does today back then. This has been proven in genetic testing.
I've always wondered if the descriptions in the book of mormon referred more to their cultural appearance versus more of a race type thing. It just doesnt really make sense since they all came from similar blood lines. For example, when I moved to a new town a friend knew right away my brother and I were LDS just by the way we looked. Lamanite culture involved drinking blood and sustaining themselves primarily on hunting. While Nephites were more of crop growers and fort and home builders. Am I mistaken?
The term skin of blackness is actually a Hebrew idiom that has nothing to do with skin pigment. The contemporaries of Lehi used similar language in the Bible.
Actually you need to understand ancient Hebrew culture and how they used color for symbolism.
Isaiah 1: 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
White obviously is symbolic here and represents purity. Even those caucasians we call White today aren’t really white unless you are an albino. If you are white, hold your hand to a book with white pages.
These Old Testament phrase translated in our English as "Blackness" is actually a Hebrew idiom meaning gloomy. The authors of these verses would have been contemporaries of Lehi's Family.
Nahum 2:10 She is empty, and void, and waste: and the heart melteth, and the knees smite together, and much pain is in all loins, and the faces of thjem all gather blackness.
Jeremiah 8:21 For the hurt of the daughter of my people am I hurt; I am black; astonishment hath taken hold on me.
Joel 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
Even today we have idioms or words with this same type of idea. "Why aren't you looking blue" and even the word melancholy has its origin (according to Oxford): "Middle English: from Old French melancolie, via late Latin from Greek melankholia, from melas, melan- 'black' + kholē 'bile', an excess of which was formerly believed to cause depression"
@@RecoveringUGrad so I guess my impression is also supported biblically and historically. Thanks for sharing!
@@natetuft3245go over to Scripture Central and search for a video about the Skin of Blackness in the Book of Mormon. Its use is actually evidence of antiquity. Modern interpretations get it wrong because we are so removed from these ancient cultures.
The book of Mormon is a load of fictional horseshit
Why are you here?