AzurPoly Fouga CM.170 Magister | Full Flight Review | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video, we take a look at the AzurPoly Fouga CM.170 Magister for Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS)
We'll take the aircraft on a "review flight", around Saint Tropez and the shores of Southern France; departing out of La Mole airport (LFTZ), flying around the local area and then returning for a landing. As we go, we'll analyze and showcase the aircraft.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
MSI B550M
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x 4.7GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
32GB DDR4 3600MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight!
I own a real Fouga Magister Patrouille de France, and I use this version for simulation. It is very realistic and well done.
Wonderful François, I’m sure it’s a marvellous aircraft to own and a unique piece of history at that!
I’ll pin your comment, so that others can see the opinions of someone that’s actually flown the jet.
All the best : )
That’s really cool to hear! I’m thinking of buying it, I recently bought the F14 by DC Desings but it wasn’t that realistic so I ended up refunding it so I’m kind of interested in getting the Magister instead so could you recommend it?
You have an awesome plane my brother. Enjoy!
Valuable input for those of us who aren't pilots but want a realistic experience, thanks!
I've seen another review by another real Fouga Pilot - In the video, he says that the plane in the simulation is a little bit over powered. What do you think about it ? (review in french here : th-cam.com/video/MwT7cIw_FkY/w-d-xo.html)
As french, I obviously had to stand up at the very beginning of the video for the "Marseillaise" :-) Thanks for this review
Haha, I would expect nothing less sir! ; )
My pleasure on the review. Glad you enjoyed it!
Salut : )
This plane gets the job done! Feels great, moves greater. No frame rate drops for me. No CTD's. First from maker and I will continue to support if they continue to deliver this quality at that price.
His BD-5 is great as well.
Yep, I think you’re right SonOfGee; this one is a very nice effort from AzurPoly overall! Glad you’re enjoying it and course it’s great if we can all support the devs that put in the hard work.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Peace and Blessings my brother.
A cautionary point to make (that I failed to specifically mention during the review), the cockpit labelling is entirely in French! This may be of interest to you, if your French is anywhere near as good as mine. . . ; )
On another note; can anyone tell me why on earth the Magister's front tyre is shaped such as it is?
Cheers everyone! : )
That cut away front tyre? That would reduce the rolling resistance? Don't know about the grip on wet runway, but perhaps they intentionally wanted less grip? Certainly a puzzle that one! Hey it looks a nicely modelled sim! Maybe someone will model an internal set of pilots so you can see your buddy?
Maybe it's a solid tire? I've seen tailwheels that look like that, which are solid rubber. But, I dunno for sure.
I've never seen an aircraft tire like that, but I wonder if it's supposed to operate like reverse chines? The 727 had a nose tire with chines to deflect runway water outward & down in an effort to keep that water/debris from going up, over the wings and into engines 1 &3. I wonder if the Magister tire, having a channel in the middle, sort of funnels runway water down the center for the same purpose?
@@Part_121 The tailwheel on the Mosquito is of the same design
It's used to reduce shimmy (oscillating around the caster axis like a busted shopping trolley). You find it on old tail draggers with a non-locking rear wheel.
I'm guessing the Magister has a free castering nosewheel (ie steer using differential breaking at low speed) so the wheel design will reduce nose shimmy.
Awesome that someone got around to making this. I don't know too much about the Magister but I do quite like its kind of odd design. Jet trainers are always a pleasure to fly due to simplicity and agility. Great video!
Completely agree Mark, jet trainers are always great fun to fly and it’s nice to have another, slightly more unusual one in the sim. Initially I actually wasn’t too sure about the Magister’s aesthetics myself, but it’s growing on me haha. AzurPoly’s offering is certainly a beautiful rendition of the aircraft at any rate,
Glad you enjoyed the video! All the best : )
Bought this when it was on sale and then forgot I had it and never flew it. I gave it a go today and absolutely love it. Like the classic jet feel and it is modelled beautifully.
Haha, a nice little "surprise" then Jet82 XD
Yeah, the Magister is a great little offering from Azurpoly overall! The aircraft has had quite a few updates since release and it is indeed beautifully modelled and a joy to fly.
I'm glad you're enjoying it! Happy flying and all the best : )
Excellent review and beautiful video! The Magister is not really my cup of tea, but it is certainly beautifully modelled.
Thanks very much Volker! I can understand your position on the Magister and initially I wasn’t too sure about purchasing the aircraft myself (not really my cup of tea). I’m glad I did though (not that I’m trying to persuade you to do the same haha); as you say, it’s a beautifully modelled aircraft in many respects and apparently (according to at least one Magister pilot) flies closer to reality than I would have guessed.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks very much for watching and have a great weekend : )
Hey man, awesome review as always! I just got into msfs (coming from games like war thunder) and I am absolutely loving it. I just picked up this beast because there's something about the interior that really speaks out to me...anyways thanks for the review!
Thanks very much Rodney, glad you enjoyed the video!
Welcome across to MSFS then! The CM.170 is a great little jet and certainly a nice starting point for the sim. The aircraft has been getting better and better as well with subsequent updates.
"there's something about the interior that really speaks out to me" - why, are you French then hehe? : P
I know what you mean though, I really like the cockpit of the jet as well. It's functional, good visibility and a nice design, AzurPoly have also done a great job of making it look authentic.
Cheers and happy flying! : )
Love this plane. Great video man and as always a pro.
Glad you’re enjoying the aircraft QGU! Apparently (according to at least one real-world Magister pilot) it flies closer to reality that I had surmised during my flight - so that’s good to hear. Certainly a very nice effort from AzurPoly overall.
I’m happy you enjoyed the video once again! Thanks very much for watching and have a great weekend : )
Great review! The Fouga is one of my favs from my hangar in FS
Thanks very much MT, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Yes, the Fouga is great fun and a real bargain to boot - somewhat underrated in the sim.
Happy flying and all the best! : )
Couldn't resist and bought it today (special offer in the marketplace) for only 15 bucks. Great fun to fly.
Haha, nice! Yeah it’s a really fun little jet and an absolute steal at $15 ; )
Happy flying! : )
I though the twitch in the loop was your hitting your own slipstream. Hello again, great review.
Haha, let’s say it was that then John - that would be a little bit more impressive ; )
I think it hindsight, it was probably some peculiarity of FSRealistic, I’ve just never seen it do that before.
I hope you’re keeping well. All the best! : )
Fun fact, the Fouga Magister was used by the Katanga breakaway government in the Siege of Jadotville (Congo) in the 1960's against Irish UN peacekeeping force. It was sent there to bomb the UN troops who were dug in.
Subsequently the Irish Government purchased a number of Fouga Magisters for the Irish Air Corps and were in service for years and were also used by the Irish Defence forces display team called the Silver Swallows. Seen them a good few times. They are all retired now but there is one on display in Dublin at Collins Barracks Museum.
That siege was one of the reasons why Dag Hammarskjold asked for a UN air wing. I believe they had three Magisters in total, but only one was operational, using machine guns to pin down the Irish ground troops. Eventually there was a Swedish detachment with Saab J29 in Congo, disabling the Katanga air forces. As far as I know their aircrafts where destroyed on the ground though, in strikes together with Canberras from India. I.e. no aerial combat.
To bad the J29 is only available in Warthunder...
That is indeed very interesting John.
I’m slightly ashamed to admit, really my only knowledge of the conflict comes from the “Siege of Jadotville” movie - though it was a very good movie I thought haha. Seemed like the holdout was a pretty Herculean effort from the Irish troops, if I recall correctly!
It’s always nice to have little pieces of history like this in the sim. I’m sure someone will create the appropriate livery and the Silver Swallows shall fly again! ; )
Thanks for sharing and all the best! : )
casual tree avoidance there when you took off! that tree is also known by the air traffic control staff as the 'widowmaker'
Haha, better luck next time tree! : P
Yes. From what I can find online, the landing light lens is smooth. There's multi LED versions for replacement but that appears as an array of yellowish "jewels" inside the globe.
Added in Edit: I notice in all of your videos that when you check the flight controls in fore/aft/port/starboard and then rudders. Not that it matters and it's really an esoteric and philosophical discussion but my instructor taught me to "box" the controls to check for binding. The way that works is, with a stick, go forward corner to corner, aft corner to corner and simultaneously actuate rudder pedals. Works the same with a yoke but the "feel" is different. Do this until you can visualize the responding control surfaces. Forty year old instruction applied in very low real world time so take it for what it's worth.
I thought that might well be the case, thanks very much for the info Kyle! The texture used / lacking obviously doesn’t stand out too badly from the rest of the jet and I was certainly being a bit picky, but I thought it was interesting to note at any rate.
You make a very valid point re the flight controls and I’ve seen a number of different methods over the years. There are really 2 reasons why I do it that way in the sim; 1) it’s a little bit easier to manage with the camera such that it is etc. In reality of course one has peripheral vision and it’s easy to move ones head around rapidly 2) it’s a little bit of a hang-up from the Airbus, where each flight control is checked very specifically in turn (although elevator is first to be checked, whereas I generally check ailerons first in my videos). Thanks very much for the suggestion though, again I certainly think it’s a valid one.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Great Review as Always from you! Thank You.
Thanks very much, SF! For what it’s worth, the Magister has actually been significantly updated since this review (there are flight model improvements, working weapons etc) and the aircraft is a really nice purchase, especially when it’s on sale.
My pleasure on the video! Cheers and all the best : )
The Israeli air force also used it as a trainer for the longest time, it is was later replaced by another trainer
Indeed. I gather the little jet even saw action during the Six-Day war, and was pretty effective from what I've read. Quite impressive.
All the best! : )
Don't forget the plane probably has metric gauges excluding the altitude. So your climb out speed is 240 kph. All your other speeds were flown at half the value basically :p
Hi Martijn,
A very pertinent point and I did consider that myself. In this particular case though, the gauge is actually marked in knots (Noeuds). I would have said that it’s possible the gauge has been mislabelled, but the the top speed of the jet (in knots) seems to be about right, given the reading off the gauge.
Thanks for the comment though, it could well have been a very valid point.
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Oh OK. I wasn't entirely sure since I don't own it. Then I suppose the flight model is to blame haha
Thanks for the review, thorough as always! It looks like a really interesting plane, and beautiful too! But it's a shame about the few issues. Hopefully they sort those out. I might end up nabbing this on sale as I've got the MB-339 and although they look quite different, I'm not sure I really need two aerobatic/trainer jets... They're kind of the same role.
Cheers Will!
Yeah, certainly another interesting little addition to the sim. I’m rather enjoying the fact that we’re getting a decent number of somewhat more unusual aircraft in MSFS. I saw that AzurPoly recently patched up one of their sceneries, so hopefully they’re a dev that continues to support their products and the CM.170 will see some “tweaking”. On sale it’s definitely worth a look; if AzurPoly can improve the flight model, I’d say it’s a really nice little jet. It is fairly similar to the MB339 in terms of its role though for sure and currently the MB339 is more fun to fly overall.
All the best! : )
As usual, a very nice review. Totally agree on the flight model, the aircraft feels too buttery. No buffets, no bad habits whatsoever (aside from approach) which is what I believe you are describing as "too much MS flight simulator" in character. Mushy stall, no spins. Perhaps Azurpoly will come up with a replacement flight model to sharpen it up a bit but who knows, having never flown the real thing perhaps it's correct as is? 🤔
In all other respects I love the model, first class work. Thanks again for the review.
Thanks very much Gary!
Yes, that was very much my assessment, but an educated guess of course. Interestingly, one real-world Magister owner did post on the video and he reckons the AzurPoly version performs very true to life (to the point that he uses it for training) - so presumably AzurPoly actually did a great job with the flight model and it just feels a little bit odd to the uninitiated haha.
If it is true to life, then fair enough! As you say, in all other respects AzurPoly have done a great job with the aircraft anyway!
Thanks again and have a great weekend : )
Thanks for the review. I liked the plane. I will buy.
My pleasure ASA, I’m glad the review was of help : )
I hope you’re enjoying the Magister - happy flying!
I purchased the Fouga, too, and I fully agree with you. It's a fun and honestly beautifully modelled plane to fly in the sim but I question the actual realism of the flight characteristics. A V-Tail normally behaves very unstable around the vertical axis, tap the rudder and let it go the nose will swing around a couple of times. Also these long wings would create a noticable banking when one wing swings forward. So I would have expected it much more wobbly but I can't speak about this aircraft from personal experience of course, but I also find the elevator very heavy on approach. I found 120 kts to be a great speed over the numbers but the high Alpha break wasn't possible there either. The CG is quite off in the load menu, maybe that's a cause?
In general terms I really love this plane though, all above if I compare the value for that money to other turbine aircraft that have recently been released. Namely compared to the Twin Otter, AzurPoly have created a beautifully mixed and absolutely immersive sound set. The 3D model is superb, the cockpit looks beautiful. There are some very significant bugs in the gauges, the artificial horizon shows around 1/2 bank and 2 times the pitch or so, the VSI is incorrect and when I dialed in the Kodiak VOR last night it wanted to send me somewhere towards the west all the time when the VOR was at 190 degrees. The devs will certainly have to update it, I hope this won't take months with that market place exclusivity. It's a nice addon over all and I already know I won't just park it in the hangar.
The rudder: I assume you have seen the recent Q&A with Asobo where they demonstrated their new implementation of propeller physics and the effect of prop wash on the airplane. Together with this "new stream of air" they almost HAVE to rework the rudder. I can't imagine how this should work when the added airflow will hit the currently oversensitive rudder. I won't hold my hopes up high to make sure I'm not disappointed but Asobo MUST rework the rudder physics at some point. Their flight model(s) have improved a lot but this is one still glaring flaw. Fingers crossed!
Hi Marc,
Interestingly, a real-world Magister owner commented on the video and stated that the addon actually flies quite true to life (to the point that he actually uses it for training even). So my guess would be that I should have adjusted the CofG to somewhere between the default and “within limits” and that might have helped (there’s definitely a CofG issue at the moment, looking at the load menu). He also stated that I got the landing technique all wrong haha, but unfortunately didn’t elaborate any further and obviously the manual doesn’t offer any guidance, so it’s a bit tricky to know what exactly I ought to change there. . .
As you say though, there’s no doubting AzurPoly have done a lovely job with the jet overall. I must admit I missed the gauge issues; I noticed they’ve kept on top of updating their sceneries, so hopefully / I suspect they’ll do the same with their aircraft.
I did see the Asobo video regarding aerodynamics updates to the sim. It sounds promising and at least we know that improvement of flight modelling is still on their radar. As you allude to though, I won’t be counting all of my chickens just yet, let’s see what the final result actually turns out like ; )
Thought you might be interested to know the above anyway. Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes I saw the pinned post and I am envious :D. I wouldn‘t have expected it, but if it‘s right it‘s right. Probably there are big differences in how we set out senitivity curves in MSFS, this topic is still an individual flight characteristics editor, unfortunately. Good to know that the devs care about their work. Thanks for your reply :D
Haha, I get far too jealous when I hear of all the cool toys others get to play with! : P
I never would have guessed that the flight model was that close to reality and I suspect the truth is a little more “grey”. AzurPoly are actually going to update the flight model, so there must be some inaccuracies. . . As you say, people’s individual setups will of course make a difference as well. The Magister is already a little gem though, so I’m excited to see what the update brings : )
Cheers and all the best!
Saw one at an airshow back in '94 or '95, and I found the photo I took of it back then in the air, too bad I can't share it with you here.
Ah cool videotrexx. Yeah, as I was saying during the intro, I’ve only ever seen a couple of pics of the magister, never seen one “in the wild”.
If you would like share it (totally up to you of course); if you’re a Discord user, feel free to share it on the channel Discord (I’m sure others would be interested), otherwise you can email it to me at intotheblueinbox@gmail.com.
Cheers! : )
You can keep this plane in the air for hours if you use the same mechanics as a glider. Use the engine to gain some height, find the thermal updraft, engine to idle - you can even turn it off I think -, glide, repeat.
Haha, makes sense I suppose QBziZ, what with the aircrafts gliding heritage. Sounds fun though, I shall have to try it myself some time ; )
Cheers!
Another simply magnificent review, cheers dude. I’m on the fence on this one though. £21 seems ok just not sure I’d fly it much, still very keen on the Hawk (helped by the fact that the F-35 is still buggy) but the Twin Otter has really grabbed my attention. Currently down in Gibraltar with it having flown down through France stopping off at several places I’ve been to down the years 😀. Anyway, will come back to this review in a week or two and decide whether to grab a purchase.
Hello ! About the f35, maybe today or tomorow IFE will release a bug fix
@@alexandrepholoppe9917 Good news, cheers.
That’s great to know Alexandre. Thanks for the info! : )
Yep got an email this morning from Simmarket. Will install later and if it works reliably will contact IFE and send them back the money they refunded. That would seem fair.
That’s thoroughly upstanding sir! : )
Haven’t had a chance to try the update myself yet - hope it’s working better. . .
All the best!
I agree with you 100% . I crashed twice on almost touch down from lack of elevator at around 100 nots + to compare to the competitor fouga I had no problem to greas her in every landing. after watching yours I am going to try again . but yes somthing wrong with the cg or flight mode. maybe we will see a fix.
Hi Isaac,
Interestingly, a real-world Magister owner commented on the video and stated that the addon actually flies quite true to life (to the point that he actually uses it for training even). So my guess would be that I should have adjusted the CofG to somewhere between the default and “within limits” and that might have helped. He also stated that I got the landing technique all wrong haha, but unfortunately didn’t elaborate any further and obviously the manual doesn’t offer any guidance, so it’s a bit tricky to know what exactly I ought to change there. . .
Thought you might be interested to know anyway. All the best! : )
This plane seems pretty decent. Was considering buying it but then decided to check out your review first and that was over a month ago but better late than never eh? Think I'll plop it on the wishlist and maybe pick it up in the future. Thanks for the review, great video as always. I liked the new camera views you did for the taxi section. Now to catch up on a months worth of your vids. Only 6 or 7 to go!
Haha, it’s that time of the month again is it Megadyptes? : P
“Better late than never” indeed and good to see you back!
Yeah, AzurPoly did a really nice job with the Magister overall. I was going to point you in the direction of my update video, but I see you already found it. Definitely worth keeping an eye on, well worth picking up on sale etc!
Enjoy the other multitude of vids! XD
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Hah yeah, seems to be a monthly thing for me. I have an RSS reader I use to keep track of youtube videos and the like and I'll see one of your vids pop up, usually when I'm doing something else, and think I'll get around to watching that later or in a day or two but then it just builds up until I got a months worth and I think I really should get around to watching them. I do skip the odd video though but I watch like 90% of your stuff!
Skipped?! : O
I’ll pretend I didn’t hear that Megadyptes!! XD
I jest of course. I’m going to skip over the RSS things and pretend I know what one is - rather than admit that I’ve made it this far into the 21st century without really understanding (I only figured out how to use a QR code in the last year or so) ha!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations RSS is 20th century tech ;) well 1999, but it still counts! It's a type of subscription thingy where you can see all the hot new blog posts or videos that you've subscribed to via an RSS feed in one central handy place. Used to be pretty popular in the 00s but I think its dying out, especially since Google killed off their RSS Reader back in, well shit, almost 10 years ago now lol. A bit antiquated but it still does the job for me!
Haha, well that’s what I mean; I know it’s pretty old school tech and I’ve still no idea how to use it. I kind of know how it works in principle, but I would have absolutely zero idea how to go about setting one up etc!
Still, I’ve made it this far in life without one, so I guess I’ll be ok to continue as is : P
i think i've seen that twitching from FSRealistic in other aircraft. it's possibly their attempt to induce head bob/airframe shudder by manipulating the camera. i seem to recall the devs saying that (as per usual) SDK limitations prevented them doing a proper implementation.
You’re most probably right then Bernard, hadn’t seen that one myself before. . . I believe you’re correct regarding the SDK as well, hence why FSRealistic has quite a bit less functionality than its X-Plane counterpart.
Cheers! : )
Be good to know if that high wind noise is in actual fact FSRealistic. Finding on the TB-30 even with FSR off, the canopy noise is high compared to engine volume. Many thanks for you efforts again on the vid. Cheers.
Hi Andy,
Apologies for the slow reply. I guess you'll have seen for yourself by now (I'm afraid I haven't had the time to test that for you up until now). It was the same with the FSReborn Sting S4 actually; the dev there said there was some little bug with the wind noise going over the landing gear (fixed now). Maybe it's intentional on AzurPoly's part - they are pretty small jets on the CM.170 and the canopy isn't the most aerodynamic. . .
All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Cheers for the response. Crickey, if its realistic, then its almost unbearable.
My pleasure Andy! I don’t know whether it’s realistic or not to be honest. They obviously aren’t all that comparable, but most of what you can hear upfront on a commercial jet is air noise. In reality, I guess a Magister pilot would be wearing a helmet, thus killing off a lot of the cacophony haha.
All the best! : )
The tiptanks must be empty before aerobatic routine is entered to prevent overstress on wings.
Thanks for the feedback Eugene - makes sense. Cheers and all the best! : )
Thanks for the review, subscribed. I'm not a pilot so I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm a snob when it comes to flight sims, for example I like how the JF Hawk feels and I spend most of my time in DCS. Hopefully as time goes on developers will be able to get rid of a bit of that "MSFS feel" in flight models.
Hi Josef, thanks very much and welcome aboard! : )
Haha, I think many of us are “flight sim snobs”. I love the Hawk and indeed almost anything DCS is good (DCS still has the best overall flight modelling of any sim in my opinion).
I think MSFS will still progress in the right direction. In fact the devs put out a recent update, outlining the next round of aerodynamics changes to the sim - it sounds promising.
Thanks again and all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes! Once the SDK and the sim itself matures I think we'll see higher fidelity stuff. If it takes a year or two? Well, we have an instant gratification society but good results are worth the wait. There's definitely a market segment willing to spend money on high end products that become part of your gaming life instead of toys you play with a couple times and move on from.
I've watched more of your reviews and really appreciate your objectivity. The MSFS addon ecosystem does not have my trust because products vary so wildly. That makes sense, because the wide variety of players has a huge spectrum of desires and expectations, but I've found myself unwilling to try many new addons. I feel that higher end developers have an opportunity to gain loyalty to the point where I'd buy pretty much anything they offered that I'm remotely interested in (that is not a challenge to empty my wallet JF). As an example, I never would have thought I'd get the DCS Mirage, Viggen, or Spitfire but they're all excellent. For the price of a couple nights at the tavern I can have a nice product I'll be able to enjoy for years.
Looking forward to reviews in the future. Cheers!
but why did they take out a paid one if you can download it for free on the french page of the plane I don't understand greetings
Ahh, so I wasn’t imagining things then! I thought I had seen a freeware Magister kicking around, but then thought I must have imagined it XD
I would presume that AzurPoly probably started developing the jet some time ago, perhaps long before the freeware one even released. I haven’t had a chance to look at the freeware version myself, but I’d imagine AzurPoly’s version is done to a higher standard as well? At least it gives people options anyway. . .
Cheers Raiden, all the best! : )
Great review, as always! Would trimming more NU for landing than normal lessen the nose heaviness?
Thanks very much Wikstrom, glad you enjoyed it!
If I recall correctly, I did have quite a bit of nose-up trim in there, but any higher and the aircraft felt like it was about to stall. I suspect I might have been better to set the CofG somewhere between the default value and “within limits” (which then tipped the aircraft on its tail).
Also, according a real-world Magister pilot, I had the landing technique all wrong haha, so I’m sure that made a difference. Without the proper documentation to explain how to fly the aircraft, of course all I could really do was go with the limited information I did have (approach speed) and guess the rest.
Cheers! Have a great weekend : )
Aha...I thought that front tyre was just my eyes lol!
Haha! No need to worry just yet Russell ; )
I initially flagged it as a possible modelling inaccuracy, as I just could believe that shape would be beneficial in reality. As it looked very purposefully modelled though, I thought I’d better check some pictures online first and sure enough, it was on the money! I’ve seen a few different answers as to why it might be modelled like that, but I can’t imagine improved traction was one of them XD
Cheers!
Wonder if they will do the Zephyr too
Haha, that could be fun Lee! Who knows, perhaps one day they will : )
Cheers and all the best!
Too beautiful to resist. I'll chance they tweak the flight model. The front wheel is authentic according to this photo en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouga_CM.170_Magister#/media/File:Fouga_magister_01.jpg Great review as always. Thanks!
Hi Brakn8r,
Yeah I hope AzurPoly takes another look at the flight model, bar that, it’s a really nice little jet. I still can’t quite make my mind up about the design, but it’s growing on me haha.
I did see that the front wheel is accurate; initially I questioned it during my review, but then I concluded that it looked quite specifically modelled, so I went away and looked at some pictures and sure enough, that is how it actually looks. I just had no idea why that tyre design would be beneficial (I would imagine it reduces traction significantly).
Glad you enjoyed the review! Thanks for the pic and all the best : )
they have updated this now
Hi SA,
Indeed, the Magister has been updated a couple of times at this point and is all the better for it. The aircraft now flies very nicely and is a really nice little offering in the sim : )
Cheers and all the best!
I got this aircraft recently, but relatively often, it seems like the engines are losing power. Like they're almost cutting out for like a second or so, then coming back on. Think it mostly happens on full throttle. Is this normal and realistic behavior of maybe being on full throttle for too long or something? I haven't experienced this with any other jets I own for the sim.
Thank you in advance, and apologize if it's a stupid question! :)
Hi Sebastian,
Hmm, that's strange (and certainly not a silly question!). I would have said maybe a hardware calibration issue, but probably not if it only happens with the Magister. I haven't flown the aircraft for a little while, so maaaybe AzurePoly updated the engine modelling, but I doubt it (and I'd imagine these engines can more or less run at "full chat" all day long anyway).
You aren't flying inverted at the time or anything? Are you still having the same issues?
Cheers and all the best : )
They also modeled the Bede BD-5J.
Indeed they did. Haven’t tried that one myself though : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations it's a really enjoyable aircraft for the money.
It does look like great fun. I was a bit put off at the time, by the lack of cockpit switch sounds etc. Has that been addressed since release?
Cheers Robert : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations guess I never noticed but a couple switches on the left panel don't make sounds(ignition, avionics, maybe a couple others). The switches on the top such as the lights do make a sound. Couldn't find any other sound effects that were missing. You can probably pass this one up, since the c-22j you have is better made and sort of scratches that itch... light, small turbojet(s), weirds out the serious simmers, etc.
I should mention I'm on xbox. The updates take as long to make it to us as the aircraft do lol.
How do you adjust the pitch trim on this darn thing?
Hi Benjamin,
I'm not sure there is a physical switch in the cockpit that one can use (presumably in reality the trim is on the stick itself); I use a keybind assigned to pitch trim and that seems to work just fine : )
All the best!
Fuel burn is unrealistically fast. I get less than 300nm. Any thoughts? Thank you
Hmmm, not too sure on that one I'm afraid Stick,
I haven't had the opportunity to fly the jet for a while, so perhaps something got changed with an update etc.
300nm isn't massively far off the aircraft's maximum range mind you (around 500nm I believe). Is that with aircraft and tip tanks full + a cruise power setting etc?
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations yes 500nm is about what I would expect. Please try going from kphx to klas and see what you think and let me know.
I've tried different altitudes and 70% throttle which gives me about 200 knots.
Thanks!
When comes the Australian Uptade ?
Haha, well judging by your other comment Mikael, you seem to be busy enjoying the update now! ; )
Dosnt seem to be very realistic. V1 reached quite fast actually it takes about 14 to 19 secs in actual aircraft and controls are very smooth not so sensitive
Hello Colonel,
To be fair, AzuryPoly tweaked the flight model quite a bit after the aircraft’s initial release. I’m not sure whether the takeoff performance has been brought closer towards what you describe but, certainly the control response was improved and I seem to recall, smoothed out a bit also. I’m sure the addon isn’t 100% accurate vs the real aircraft but then again, the product is very reasonably priced (so I don’t expect the world from the dev).
Thanks for the feedback! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations agree you you please. Roll seemed to be rather sensitive also. Fouga takes quite a runway before it lifts off but is wonderful to fly. Thanks please
Any updates to this mod? Is it worth it in sept 2023?
Hi RYMD,
Yes, AzuryPoly were very good about updating the addon. Here are a couple of more recent videos covering the Magister (though I haven’t had a chance to look at the aircraft over the last few months):
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th-cam.com/video/QZPW7q9RB7Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5ZDJufxW8-OBBbUJ
If I’m not mistaken, AzuryPoly also added basic weapons functionality to the aircraft (though I think this may require a separate download, due to Marketplace restrictions).
The CM.170 is a very nice little jet overall, particularly at the moment, as I gather it’s on sale?
I hope that helps a little. Cheers! : )
Isn’t this the plane that shot down the head of the UN in Africa?
Not sure myself to be honest Daniel. I just did a little reading, prompted by your comment; it seems it was never established whether the crash was an accident, or whether the aircraft was shot down by the Katangese Air Force. I gather the Magister was used by the same Air Force, to suppress UN / Irish troops on the ground (at least from what I’ve seen of other people’s comments).
Cheers, all the best! : )
great video, how does it compare to the MB339? interested in your opinion as both reviewed, thanks
Thanks very much Damon!
Oooo, that’s a tough one actually. . . Both are very nice offerings, done to broadly the same standard - each has its own strengths and weaknesses.
Graphically the MB339 has the edge externally, the Magister has the edge internally. The Magister wins in the sound department. Systems are about on a par between the two aircraft (maybe the Magister has a little edge there). Flight models are probably broadly on a par with one another.
Right now, if I could only choose one, I would say the MB339 has the edge. It’s more fun to fly and has a bit more performance up its sleeve. The MB339 feels more like something you might fly in the military, the Magister feels like something you might plausibly get your hands on at the weekend.
I hope that all helps a bit. All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks for your opinion much appreciated , I'm leaning to the MB339 but very hard choice!
Cheers Damon, you’re most welcome!
Yeah, that is a really tough one actually. AzurPoly also just updated the Magister and improved its flight modelling somewhat (mostly related to takeoff and landing), so that makes it an even closer fight. Planning on having a video up of that on Tuesday, if that might aide your decision at all. I still think the MB339 just nips it; another nice thing about the jet is that you get a couple of different variants (tip tanks vs wing tanks etc).
Best of luck deciding! ; )
Total stupidity, whenever they
throw in a commercial that I cant skip, it absolutely guarantees I'll NEVER buy that product. Other than that, I enjoy your videos.
hmm, I don’t know this plane at all, but the cockpit textures make my heart beat. :D so I suppose sooner or later I will have her. I just have too many now on my list… :D
Haha, I know how you feel Péter! I wasn’t actually sure about purchasing the aircraft initially - but as you asked so nicely ; )
Have you given in yourself yet? : P
@@IntotheBlueSimulations as I said, may all my wishes come true like this 😃
“fortunately” the plane releases are extremely delayed on xbox, add-on aircrafts are hard to find among the thousands of airports, enhanced night lights and bird packs… so Asobo is saving our money in this way. 😃 but still, I haven’t made the purchase on this yet, flying around Australia gives me nowadays enough excitement (which is beautiful indeed, a very well polished World Update, they nailed it this time, I think)
Haha, sooo kind of Asobo to help you guys save money like that! ; )
Completely agree, the Australia update has been a triumph, really enjoying it myself (and it didn’t even break anything, as far as I’m aware?! : P ). You must have gotten a little lost though Péter - somehow you’ve ended up at the North Pole?! XD
@@IntotheBlueSimulations haha, true. probably I made a wrong turn XD
I can just imagine your sat nav; “at the next possible opportunity - make a U-turn” XD
what airport is this?
Hi Sxllxd,
It’s La Môle airport in Southern France. The ICAO code is LFTZ.
Cheers : )
Looks like a pretty cool plane but the all French is a no go for me sadly. I'm obviously glad to see international developers as it brings a personal side to these aircraft but with my disabilities the cockpit labels are so important as I just can't remember what does what in more than 2, maybe 3 if simple/clean looking, cockpits so to not have an English language pack with it sadly put it in the inaccessible category for me. Looking forward to watching the video none the less and will keep an eye out if the lack of translation changes
It's a little bit of a shame isn't it! I know some other planes like the Piaggio P149D has a little flag you can click to change the language from German to English. They could have included English on the in game tablet as an option
Yeah, a rather nice effort from AzurPoly overall and according to at least one Magister pilot, it flies closer to reality than I would have guessed. I can totally see where you’re coming from on the language - I always struggle a little bit as well. Of course the french are proud of their language and I wouldn’t expect them to anglicise the plane just to make all of us English-speakers happy, but perhaps a discreet little option to change the language (as we saw on the P149D) might be nice and I’m sure it would have addon appeal to more people.
Hope you enjoyed the video! Have a great weekend : )
I think you are confusing the clean behavior of the Fouga Magister with a Microsoft FS behavior. The CM170 is very very hard to spin, and you had the landing procedure totally wrong. The simulation is actually pretty close to the handling characteristic of the Fouga
It wasn’t so much that I was “confusing” anything François; I did sate during the video that it was pure conjecture on my part (never having flown the jet) and did also mention that it perhaps could be correct behaviour for the aircraft, given that it’s a trainer. Obviously it’s not possible to have flown every aircraft I’ve reviewed on the channel, so a lot of my assessments come down to “educated guesses” ; )
The same goes for the landing really. As the product manual doesn’t actually cover any techniques for flying the aircraft, I was a bit in the dark on that one. All it stated was 120kts on approach, so that’s what I went with. If you’d care to elaborate on what I did wrong / the correct technique, I’d love to know : )
It’s great to know that in actuality the flight model is pretty accurate. It seems AzurPoly did a great job with the Magister overall then! It might be nice if they padded out the manual a little more and then we could all fly the jet correctly.
Merci François. All the best!
Care to elaborate on the landing procedure?
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Thank you sir! Glad you enjoyed it : )
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Thanks for mentioning the French cockpit labelling. I believe that the French view English as a threat to their native tongue so it is no surprise that they have not included an English Language pack. Although the itranslation is no problem to me, I will definitely give this one a miss. Thank you for your excellent review.
Of course Geoffrey. I felt like a numpty that I forgot to mention it during the video haha!
For sure the French are very proud of their language and I can see why they’re reticent to let anglicisation creep into everything. I think a nice discreet option to switch between French and English would be much appreciated by many users though - I’m sure more than a couple of people will be put off purchasing, due to the somewhat “intimidating” nature of the foreign cockpit.
Thanks very much, have a great weekend : )
Is there a Roman Air Force livery?
Hi MudFlap,
Not to my knowledge however, it’s quite possible that someone will have created a freeware livery over on FlightSim.to etc : )
All the best!
@IntotheBlueSimulations It was in the film 'Jesus Christ Superstar '. They probably didn't paint it for the movie I just thought it was funny that's where I recognize it from.