Cheers guys, excellent video. Being someone who is hoping to move off land permanently I appreciate how much time you take and the detail you go into - particularly with the 51😍
ORC57 needs hybrid engines. It sails so fast it could regen huge amounts. Have 1 hybrid and 1 electric motor then cut Diesel size in half so you can add a big battery bank. The issue with most catamarans with hybrid is they do not sail fast enough to get regen up enough to fast charge the battery banks. This boat was made for it.
Great walk through, and enjoy how much information you share based on your experience. I find myself researching lots of extra topics after one of your videos. This one might be a bit much for my first sail boat though :). But what a beauty!
Good and detailed commentary, without the fluff. Well done! Are you doing a Part 2 video of the interior? Disregard the question, I just found your interior ORC 57 video...
Stunning boat, great and really detailed review! The kind of dream yacht I wish to sail on once in my life,.. Quite intimidating to own (not only because of thr budget). James, well done! Thanks!
You have a very interesting presentation and I like the utilitarian side of your content, less emotion and more utility. I wanted to ask you from your professional point of view: - How do you rate the Rapido trimarans? - Would you choose the ORC 57 or the Rapido 60? Thanks!!!
@@carryonsailing I would prefer the Windelo 54 over the ORC 57 any day. Maybe not as fast or sexy but it's not slow, and you got to love that front helm arrangement not to mention the garage door for the saloon. More livable and balanced overall I think. The basalt fiber hulls are interesting as well.
I've been following you for a while and I congratulate you. great job guys, interesting video. considering your experience on the neel 51, and ignoring the stowage which is certainly greater on a trimaran like the Neel against performing cats, but in comparison with this Orc 57 or, for example, the Balance 626, which do you think is better in ocean navigation?
Hi Davide, thanks for your support on the channel. I think the balance 626 would definitely need crew for start. Running costs are always more for a larger boat. Even if there were an ORC 60 feet plus. I would always take the 57. Perhaps that answers your question. Right now, the 57 is the boat to beat. But remember, an ORC is a GT3 Racer. I personally would put the Balance more in the limo category. More akin to a Neel perhaps. In which case I would and did take the Neel.
@@carryonsailing I fully share your thought and, as soon as my economy allows me, I will 99.99999% buy a Neel. I carefully studied high-performance cats, such as the 626, the Orc57, the Seawind 1600. Then, thanks to your interesting and very specialized videos, I got to know the Neel 51 and studied trimarans. I also think they are the most balanced, with the weights in the center of the hull, with greater storage capacity, an engine room with a very large technical area attached. keep it up, I will continue to follow you.👌
Thanks Davide, We appreciate your support and wish you all the best on your journey. "Carry on" is currently for sale. If you are interested sailingcarryon@gmail.com
@@carryonsailing Lol, the ORC57 is a fantastic boat, but you lost credibility here when you said you'd take a NEEL over a Balance 526 because it's more of a Limo. If you've stepped aboard either of these, you'd see in about 10 seconds that the NEEL is nowhere near the same level of quality or craftsmanship, the 526's are custom boats, the NEEL is just a tick above charter boat level quality. Let's dig a little deeper, the 526 is a full Epoxy and Carbon Fiber reinforced boat, the NEEL's are polyester...the cheapest, lowest performing resin you can buy, hell they don't even bother using Vinyl Ester. The lightship displacement is 14T the 526 is 12.5T if you get the base boat. The SA/D of the NEEL is 23, the 526 is 31. The 526 (or any of the larger boats) you can add as much carbon fiber as you like if you want to bring the lightship displacement down to 11T to further enhance performance. The most recent Balance 526 just won line honors of the Cape2Rio race by over 24 hours to a race prepped Outremer 51 owed the Balance 12 hours (considering the handicap rating). The 526 achieved a top speed of 28.1 knots and although the winds were light throughout the race, when they did pick up, they sustained a 15.8 knot average over a 6-hour period, with a 306 nautical mile day being the tops. The previous 526 launched did the crossing from Cape Town to Grenada and averaged over 200-mile days for the 28-day passage over all types of wind conditions and saw a top speed of 27 knots. Do you believe that a NEEL 51 would remotely approach this performance? Now this is not to say the NEEL is not a very nice boat, it definitely is, nor is it to say the 526 will perform like an ORC57, it won't. Just trying to keep you honest here, the Balance boats are pretty rare, so I'm guessing you've not had the opportunity yet to see one in the flesh. I've been on all these boats mentioned, and just wanted to add from data to the conversation. Cheers!
Kirk thank you for your comments. I am sorry you feel that I lost credibility. However, I think you should know I admire and am a fan of Balance catamarans. So let us make that clear first. I would love to review them in detail like I did with the ORC. Top speeds are all well and good, I have reached the speeds you mentioned in the Neel by surfing across the Atlantic (see my video Malta to Antigua). That isn't really the point. I regularly nail 200 mile days on my Neel 51 also. Remember, it is a 51 and is also 16T or thereabouts with no Carbon and I at times am single handed or short crewed and rarely bother with flying sails as I am lazy. The real beauty is that everyone can form an opinion on their budget particularly. I think the 482 would fit most peoples needs frankly and I admire Phil's approach to innovation particularly with regards to Integrel. The thing is, people need to sail the boats to form an opinion. This is what I am suggesting they do before they buy one. What I also wrote, is that I had a choice and I went with the Neel 51 and have been sailing one for nearly 5 years now. I agree with you, the ORC 57 is certainly in a league of its own at it's price point and I think that is very impressive. You mention weight in your comment and I think that is a very important thing to consider. There is little point in putting an armchair on a superbike..... Some people prefer Pepsi and some Coke. Kind regards and thanks for the dialogue.
This one seems to be fully carbon optioned . Any idea what the light displacement is ? On the ORC 50 you can save about a ton IIRC if you go for the full carbon option package .
@@carryonsailing Mmm , seems very low as the standard ORC 57's light displacement is 11.9 tons according to their website . A standard ORC 50 is 9.4 and 8.4 with all carbon options
This is the first of your videos that I've seen. I'll be back. You've said many things that strike a chord with me e.g. about tillers. I started off in small dinghies and ended up sailing A-Class cats for years. There is no substitute for the feel you get with a tiller. When the boat's properly balanced with just a small amount of weather helm, it's like your thought or your instincts get translated into minute adjustments to keep you in balance with the wind and the waves, in balance with nature. Also, you can feel wind shifts with your ears. The idea of jammers on sheets makes me nervous. The hairs on the back of my neck are twitching. Like many, I've experimented and new systems that sometimes don't release scare me.
Thanks for your support. More to come hopefully. I have zero tolerance for ineffective equipment. The thing in sailing is that bells and whistles doesn't necessarily mean you have an easier life. This brand blew me away for focus on good kit and reliability. Sexier than beer flavoured chocolate.
Not sure I would put 2.5M€ on this beast despite her aggressive look is splendid, because 3 ORC 50s capsized in the last 2 years. For the 3 times experienced sailors were onboard. The last one is still floating up side down in the Atlantic. The skipper is raising fund to go try to save her. According to these 3 capsizing, it seems the ORC 50 is too extreme. What about the 57?
Race bikes crash, track cars too. You live on the limit, you're gonna get caught out I guess at some point. I think people need to understand that on powerful boats you must dump the traveller and the mainsheet and the foresails.
@@carryonsailing obviously this was not enough...search for "le récit du chavirage - Brieuc Maisonneuve" on youtube. We are talking about professional sailor. Capsizing with J2 & 2 reefs in the main in about 20 knots of wind, not to mention the same situation occurred 3 times for the same type of boat, I think there is something wrong somewhere in Lorient!
Toto, Thanks for the link, very interesting. My french is a little rusty but my view is that, when a car crashes, is it the cars fault? Professional racers crash a lot, myself included. I have broken a few race machines (motorbikes) testing the limits of what I and the machine can achieve. It looks like the boat and the mast are still attached to each other in the water no? I think its incredible that people are even taking these cruising cats racing. Says a lot no.
Toto, here you go, this is from the press article in Multihull magazine: "In challenging wind and sea conditions, a sudden autopilot failure appears to have led to the boat to bear away violently, followed by a capsize."
@@carryonsailing I think the point Dummy Toto is driving at is that high performance catamarans and the ORC series in particular, being so light combined with the large sail area, might be more prone to capsizing from sudden gusts. Meaning, from a non-racer's perspective special attention otherwise not required for a less performance-oriented model is _mandated_ on the ORC, making short-handed passages in unpredictable conditions of particular concern. Especially at night. Of course, a sailor could always plan for this by simply sailing with reduced sail area, but then what would be the point of owning such a vessel if it's reigned in most of the time? I admit I could be completely wrong because my knowledge is limited about situations like the one that affected the boats in question, but it does warrant looking into if you're really serious about owning this kind of yacht. One last thing of note, the fact the other ORC models have watertight doors between the hulls and saloon are noticeably absent on the 57. That alone speaks volumes which would scare me far away from either of the two smaller models, but by the same token would grant a little extra reassurance if I was a prospective owner of a 57.
Thanks for the review... Please do not sell your Soul to some manufactures, on behalf of your followers. Having said that, superb capsule. Inquiries: 1-why is turbo important for this type of marine application? On land i can understand it... 2-related to Carbon, i once read, one Tone of weight saved is equivalent to half a knot gain on speed. Total weight saved by using carbon : 1 Tone(not sure here)
Turbos are handy as they add power obviously but they also tend to require more maintenance at the elbow for cleaning. Carbon is stronger and lighter so more sail area, less flex and more speed = beast mode. No one talks about the fact that all carbon can be quite uncomfortable on the waterline. Some of this is a nice mix of comfort speed and price. Kind of embarrassing to other boats 6x the price.
Those are not sugar scoops, those are insufficient hand railed, sharp cornered Lego Block design, guaranteed to poke, break and puncture your ribs and thoracic cavity if you slip or misstep stern platforms. What non-sailing idiot would put these on a boat? AND is the crew is going to bring significant sized fish on board then filet it on the deck? Where is the rod holder(s) to go fishing? Why are there not fiddles around the periphery for the unlucky crewperson to brace his or her feet upon while landing and fileting the fish under way? Is there a D ring the crewperson can hook a harness lanyard into so he/she doesn't slide overboard? If a poor unfortunate crewperson or (hopefully) owner slips, there is nothing for the person to grab to prevent a horrendous work comp death claim. What a stupidly designed stern platform. I had a brief glimpse of the exposed port and starboard helm stations. I cannot even watch the rest of this.
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Cheers guys, excellent video. Being someone who is hoping to move off land permanently I appreciate how much time you take and the detail you go into - particularly with the 51😍
Thanks Bret. I plan to cover a few other boats also if they let me go into this level of detail.
ORC57 needs hybrid engines. It sails so fast it could regen huge amounts. Have 1 hybrid and 1 electric motor then cut Diesel size in half so you can add a big battery bank. The issue with most catamarans with hybrid is they do not sail fast enough to get regen up enough to fast charge the battery banks. This boat was made for it.
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I'm throughly enjoying your videos, calm and informative. No flashy gimmicks, jump cuts or bikini drama. Excellent stuff.
Glad you like them! Thanks for support
Great walk through, and enjoy how much information you share based on your experience. I find myself researching lots of extra topics after one of your videos. This one might be a bit much for my first sail boat though :). But what a beauty!
Thanks for watching Robbie, if you can get your head around all this amazing stuff you know the latest tech. Absolute stunner.
Good and detailed commentary, without the fluff. Well done! Are you doing a Part 2 video of the interior?
Disregard the question, I just found your interior ORC 57 video...
Thanks for your support Mark
Stunning boat, great and really detailed review! The kind of dream yacht I wish to sail on once in my life,..
Quite intimidating to own (not only because of thr budget).
James, well done!
Thanks!
Thanks Jan. There's no shortage of power!
Soooo new name to the channel? :) I almost fell off my chair with excitement to see apocalypse this morning! :D :D SO EXCITED FOR YOU!
Thanks, really appreciate it. More content to come
Terrific overview of an amazing boat. Thanks
Thanks for your continued support Will
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Excellent review!
You have a very interesting presentation and I like the utilitarian side of your content, less emotion and more utility.
I wanted to ask you from your professional point of view:
- How do you rate the Rapido trimarans?
- Would you choose the ORC 57 or the Rapido 60?
Thanks!!!
Hi Denis, thanks for your kind words. They are two very different vessels. I went wirh the ORC 57 as I live onboard and do a lot of offshore miles.
OC, Windelo... My two favorites 😍🤩
Windelo also something totally different. Innovation and simplicity too.
@@carryonsailing I would prefer the Windelo 54 over the ORC 57 any day. Maybe not as fast or sexy but it's not slow, and you got to love that front helm arrangement not to mention the garage door for the saloon. More livable and balanced overall I think. The basalt fiber hulls are interesting as well.
Another boat company that does that - Dazcat did it with the 1495 :-)
I agree on the med mooring point on engines, but can you lock the tillers center for that like you would with wheels?
Yes you can. Remember mooring up once the water speed is lost they won't affect steering anyway. Hence using engines.
I've been following you for a while and I congratulate you. great job guys, interesting video. considering your experience on the neel 51, and ignoring the stowage which is certainly greater on a trimaran like the Neel against performing cats, but in comparison with this Orc 57 or, for example, the Balance 626, which do you think is better in ocean navigation?
Hi Davide, thanks for your support on the channel. I think the balance 626 would definitely need crew for start. Running costs are always more for a larger boat. Even if there were an ORC 60 feet plus. I would always take the 57. Perhaps that answers your question. Right now, the 57 is the boat to beat. But remember, an ORC is a GT3 Racer. I personally would put the Balance more in the limo category. More akin to a Neel perhaps. In which case I would and did take the Neel.
@@carryonsailing I fully share your thought and, as soon as my economy allows me, I will 99.99999% buy a Neel. I carefully studied high-performance cats, such as the 626, the Orc57, the Seawind 1600. Then, thanks to your interesting and very specialized videos, I got to know the Neel 51 and studied trimarans. I also think they are the most balanced, with the weights in the center of the hull, with greater storage capacity, an engine room with a very large technical area attached. keep it up, I will continue to follow you.👌
Thanks Davide, We appreciate your support and wish you all the best on your journey. "Carry on" is currently for sale. If you are interested sailingcarryon@gmail.com
@@carryonsailing Lol, the ORC57 is a fantastic boat, but you lost credibility here when you said you'd take a NEEL over a Balance 526 because it's more of a Limo. If you've stepped aboard either of these, you'd see in about 10 seconds that the NEEL is nowhere near the same level of quality or craftsmanship, the 526's are custom boats, the NEEL is just a tick above charter boat level quality. Let's dig a little deeper, the 526 is a full Epoxy and Carbon Fiber reinforced boat, the NEEL's are polyester...the cheapest, lowest performing resin you can buy, hell they don't even bother using Vinyl Ester. The lightship displacement is 14T the 526 is 12.5T if you get the base boat. The SA/D of the NEEL is 23, the 526 is 31. The 526 (or any of the larger boats) you can add as much carbon fiber as you like if you want to bring the lightship displacement down to 11T to further enhance performance.
The most recent Balance 526 just won line honors of the Cape2Rio race by over 24 hours to a race prepped Outremer 51 owed the Balance 12 hours (considering the handicap rating). The 526 achieved a top speed of 28.1 knots and although the winds were light throughout the race, when they did pick up, they sustained a 15.8 knot average over a 6-hour period, with a 306 nautical mile day being the tops. The previous 526 launched did the crossing from Cape Town to Grenada and averaged over 200-mile days for the 28-day passage over all types of wind conditions and saw a top speed of 27 knots. Do you believe that a NEEL 51 would remotely approach this performance?
Now this is not to say the NEEL is not a very nice boat, it definitely is, nor is it to say the 526 will perform like an ORC57, it won't. Just trying to keep you honest here, the Balance boats are pretty rare, so I'm guessing you've not had the opportunity yet to see one in the flesh. I've been on all these boats mentioned, and just wanted to add from data to the conversation. Cheers!
Kirk thank you for your comments. I am sorry you feel that I lost credibility. However, I think you should know I admire and am a fan of Balance catamarans. So let us make that clear first. I would love to review them in detail like I did with the ORC. Top speeds are all well and good, I have reached the speeds you mentioned in the Neel by surfing across the Atlantic (see my video Malta to Antigua). That isn't really the point. I regularly nail 200 mile days on my Neel 51 also. Remember, it is a 51 and is also 16T or thereabouts with no Carbon and I at times am single handed or short crewed and rarely bother with flying sails as I am lazy. The real beauty is that everyone can form an opinion on their budget particularly. I think the 482 would fit most peoples needs frankly and I admire Phil's approach to innovation particularly with regards to Integrel. The thing is, people need to sail the boats to form an opinion. This is what I am suggesting they do before they buy one. What I also wrote, is that I had a choice and I went with the Neel 51 and have been sailing one for nearly 5 years now. I agree with you, the ORC 57 is certainly in a league of its own at it's price point and I think that is very impressive. You mention weight in your comment and I think that is a very important thing to consider. There is little point in putting an armchair on a superbike.....
Some people prefer Pepsi and some Coke.
Kind regards and thanks for the dialogue.
This one seems to be fully carbon optioned . Any idea what the light displacement is ? On the ORC 50 you can save about a ton IIRC if you go for the full carbon option package .
I think this one is about 11
@@carryonsailing Mmm , seems very low as the standard ORC 57's light displacement is 11.9 tons according to their website . A standard ORC 50 is 9.4 and 8.4 with all carbon options
Apologies you are right. It is better to rely on their website than me. If you need more detailed info make contact with them. Lovely people.
This is the first of your videos that I've seen. I'll be back. You've said many things that strike a chord with me e.g. about tillers. I started off in small dinghies and ended up sailing A-Class cats for years. There is no substitute for the feel you get with a tiller. When the boat's properly balanced with just a small amount of weather helm, it's like your thought or your instincts get translated into minute adjustments to keep you in balance with the wind and the waves, in balance with nature. Also, you can feel wind shifts with your ears.
The idea of jammers on sheets makes me nervous. The hairs on the back of my neck are twitching. Like many, I've experimented and new systems that sometimes don't release scare me.
Thanks for your support. More to come hopefully. I have zero tolerance for ineffective equipment. The thing in sailing is that bells and whistles doesn't necessarily mean you have an easier life. This brand blew me away for focus on good kit and reliability. Sexier than beer flavoured chocolate.
Not sure I would put 2.5M€ on this beast despite her aggressive look is splendid, because 3 ORC 50s capsized in the last 2 years. For the 3 times experienced sailors were onboard. The last one is still floating up side down in the Atlantic. The skipper is raising fund to go try to save her. According to these 3 capsizing, it seems the ORC 50 is too extreme. What about the 57?
Race bikes crash, track cars too. You live on the limit, you're gonna get caught out I guess at some point. I think people need to understand that on powerful boats you must dump the traveller and the mainsheet and the foresails.
@@carryonsailing obviously this was not enough...search for "le récit du chavirage - Brieuc Maisonneuve" on youtube. We are talking about professional sailor. Capsizing with J2 & 2 reefs in the main in about 20 knots of wind, not to mention the same situation occurred 3 times for the same type of boat, I think there is something wrong somewhere in Lorient!
Toto, Thanks for the link, very interesting. My french is a little rusty but my view is that, when a car crashes, is it the cars fault? Professional racers crash a lot, myself included. I have broken a few race machines (motorbikes) testing the limits of what I and the machine can achieve. It looks like the boat and the mast are still attached to each other in the water no? I think its incredible that people are even taking these cruising cats racing. Says a lot no.
Toto, here you go, this is from the press article in Multihull magazine: "In challenging wind and sea conditions, a sudden autopilot failure appears to have led to the boat to bear away violently, followed by a capsize."
@@carryonsailing I think the point Dummy Toto is driving at is that high performance catamarans and the ORC series in particular, being so light combined with the large sail area, might be more prone to capsizing from sudden gusts. Meaning, from a non-racer's perspective special attention otherwise not required for a less performance-oriented model is _mandated_ on the ORC, making short-handed passages in unpredictable conditions of particular concern. Especially at night. Of course, a sailor could always plan for this by simply sailing with reduced sail area, but then what would be the point of owning such a vessel if it's reigned in most of the time?
I admit I could be completely wrong because my knowledge is limited about situations like the one that affected the boats in question, but it does warrant looking into if you're really serious about owning this kind of yacht. One last thing of note, the fact the other ORC models have watertight doors between the hulls and saloon are noticeably absent on the 57. That alone speaks volumes which would scare me far away from either of the two smaller models, but by the same token would grant a little extra reassurance if I was a prospective owner of a 57.
Thanks for the review...
Please do not sell your Soul to some manufactures, on behalf of your followers. Having said that, superb capsule.
Inquiries:
1-why is turbo important for this type of marine application? On land i can understand it...
2-related to Carbon, i once read, one Tone of weight saved is equivalent to half a knot gain on speed. Total weight saved by using carbon : 1 Tone(not sure here)
Turbos are handy as they add power obviously but they also tend to require more maintenance at the elbow for cleaning. Carbon is stronger and lighter so more sail area, less flex and more speed = beast mode. No one talks about the fact that all carbon can be quite uncomfortable on the waterline. Some of this is a nice mix of comfort speed and price. Kind of embarrassing to other boats 6x the price.
nice snubber but Standard draft : 1.65 m
Yes Al, you are right 1.65m. The Neel 51 I am on has 1.8M never been an issue for me to be honest.
Those are not sugar scoops, those are insufficient hand railed, sharp cornered Lego Block design, guaranteed to poke, break and puncture your ribs and thoracic cavity if you slip or misstep stern platforms. What non-sailing idiot would put these on a boat? AND is the crew is going to bring significant sized fish on board then filet it on the deck? Where is the rod holder(s) to go fishing? Why are there not fiddles around the periphery for the unlucky crewperson to brace his or her feet upon while landing and fileting the fish under way? Is there a D ring the crewperson can hook a harness lanyard into so he/she doesn't slide overboard? If a poor unfortunate crewperson or (hopefully) owner slips, there is nothing for the person to grab to prevent a horrendous work comp death claim. What a stupidly designed stern platform.
I had a brief glimpse of the exposed port and starboard helm stations. I cannot even watch the rest of this.
Unfortunate name for these boats… Orcs 😂🇺🇦🇺🇦