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It's one thing for them to disagree with how certain female or minority characters are depicted in their media and that's fine. But I don't like it when they use their disagreement of how their depicted as an opportunity to push their culture war narratives by calling their media “Woke or SJW” and it’s really annoying.
Making this video shows that you're threatened by those channels. This is a battle of ideologies on a surface level. I don't agree with everything they say, but to me, they're the only ones left on TH-cam with common sense.
Remember how everyone freaked out when they saw a black stormtrooper in The Force Awakens? It was one of the first times I remember Star Wars fans being referenced to as racist. It was kind of heartbreaking. Then they saw the women in the movie and directed their energy towards them. Complaining about writing is one thing, but calling the existence of minorities "woke" is the reason why minorities feel like just existing is a protest. Just breathing is triggering for many. And if just living is triggering for some, you can take that to its logical conclusion.
I remember that too. As a black teen Star Wars fan, it hurt me. Plus it opened my eyes to the silly arguments they make to defend their bigoted opinions under the guise of being a “true fan”.
I don't get why these guys were even mad over that. Stormtroopers are villains. You'd think these people would be happy about seeing more black people dying on screen.
> Then they saw the women in the movie and directed their energy towards them. Yeah, it's interesting to discover that this group is more misogynistic than racist. But it makes a certain kind of sense.
To be fair, there might be a non-racist explanation for that, given the stormtroopers (and by extent, the Empire/First Order) were intended to represent fascist Germany. IDK though.
Also the "woke agenda" isn't complicated: Increased diversity means more people identifying with the I.P. which means more money. Can't be mad at companies having their cake and eating it too. Kinda ironic to refer to it as Cultural Marxism when it's indicative of the Free Market in practice.
It gets so dumb as well… like when 1917 had a 10 second scene with a Sikh soldier from British Empire in a rat tag group of survivors of various other regiments which had taken heavy casualties fighting… The Culture War lot lost their heads…
As a brown asian (Filipino) I could not care less about seeing my kind on screen. I dont go to the movies and sulk about not having enough representation because I care more about being entertained. In fact I much prefer Hollywood entertainment vs Philippine cinema because our product is just hot basura. If I wanted to see my face on screen Id go back to watching awful Filipino movies.
I don't have any problems with someone throwing criticism at a work that happens to be woke but when they imply the wokeness itself is a problem that's a red flag.
Thats the point tho. They are misusing the word woke. Unless the movie tv book is actively fighting against some sort of societal injustice. (Which exist but hardly as often as they imply ) Having a minority as a protagonist or being powerful isn’t woke. Its just a character being the lead and has the ability to kick ass
@@bdboricua3128 It's woke when the intention is to spread an agenda of anti-white propaganda through entertainment, and replacing white men from their rightful place. The west belongs to Europeans and those of their heritage. That it's been invaded and infected with "diversity" is bad and shameful. I wouldn't go to China, Africa, the Middle-East or anywhere else and expect their people to be replaced by other minorities for the sake of a diversity quota. It's disgusting and it permeates all entertainment. All the men are replaced by women like parasites sucking the nutrients of a greater being. I want to see new cultures explored creatively, not already established culture being corrupted by talentless hacks who make awful stuff for an agenda.
I've been making this Super Heroe Universe(that is *unofficially somewhere in the Marvel and DC multiverse), and I often think, "damn. With the movie/film/novel review climate now, my stories might be considered 'woke garbage' with an agenda to certain people." For context, I'm a Latino, and my stories feature a lot of Latino characters with messages about the problems that affect my community and people and the issues that exist within our community. I initially had apprehensions making these stories because of that. But I've come to realize that I shouldn't be afraid of telling stories because it would no longer be mine or personal. It would be empty.
That is completely fine. When most people complain about woke stuff, they complain how, for example in your case, they would make you a Latino character and as diverse as possible (queer, disabled, LGBT etc.), and use you as a token in their movie that has nothing to do with it (for example, a Latino in Medieval Denmark). They're not Latino (or Latinx as they would call it, dumb as hell, I know), they don't know about your culture, but they know you're not a white straight person that they view as oppressors and they would use your Latino identity as a political weapon they don't truly care about, but lecture us and degrade us as viewers that we don't care about it. So no, if you write a Latino-oriented story, as a Latino, that deals with the everyday life and culture of your people, that is not woke and it's completely ok! Of course, if you go into it without any regards to making it enjoyable to your readers and mock them for not being born Latino basically, that's another can of worms, in the way the woke media operates.
I'm making my own superhero series that is quite "woke". It's got a diverse cast (though it does have a straight white male as the main character) that includes an Asian female, a pansexual female African-indigenous inspired alien, and a gay black male with a multi-racial love interest. The main character is an open leftist, and among the factions in it is a community of aliens welcomed as refugees and given land within the city after their home planet was attacked by an interstellar empire, and they continue to hold to and celebrate their native culture. By the standards of the anti-woke grifters, my story is giga-woke. Defcon Woke. My dream is for it to get big enough for YellowFlash or Eric July or TheQuartering to do a video decrying my series as woke so I can pop onto their Twitters and call them the r-slur.
“Woke” in my opinion is any form of media that puts the message over good story, writing, and characters. Which means that yes I consider the sappy Christian movies “woke” in the same way that She-Hulk is.
You keep bringing this back to casting, but not a whole lot of people are mad that black people and women are being cast. If anyone is critiquing a casting choice, it's because they're an affirmative action hire - an actor who was hired purely for their identity rather than their talent. There are cases of identity hires in Hollywood movies, and you'll hear criticism of them. What you will hear very little of, though, is "I'm not gonna watch the new little mermaid because she's black." Those people may exist, but they're a vocal minority in the anti-woke movement. The real issue is when Blue's Clues is putting the pride parade with men dressing up as women on display for young, impressionable children. The problem is when She-Hulk is a terrible lawyer and a selfish person, but is treated as a wonderful human being by the show, and all the stupid white men are strawmen of the "alt-right," lined up like bowling pins for She-Hulk to knock down. The problem is that the moral of these stories are inherently corrupted by middle managers with woke agendas.
You do realize that "Hiring based on identity" happened to white actors too, right? A lot of the time they got cast because of Studio politics or they had insider connections, or good old fashioned bribery/family networks. The whole reason things like Affirmative Action were created was to counteract the old system and its unfairness.
@Schlock Jocks "happened"? A lot of things "happened," I'm sure. But does racist hiring happen today? Only if you're white. We decided to counter unfairness with more unfairness, and it's gotten us where we are today. We need to focus on solving TODAY's problems, not those of decades ago.
@@pls1861 Yes, it does happen today. White Actors still using their Insider Connections to get gigs. That rotten system never ended, and once a counteracting process was begun those people who benefited from the old system complain about "Affirmative Action" ruining things.
@@ShadowSonic2 "using connections" isn't a racist thing...the two aren't even correlated. Everyone has connections. Some people get the benefit of nepotism, like Tom Hank's kids or Will Smiths kids. Everyone has benefitted from their connections since the beginning of time. I don't understand why we're debating this in a conversation about affirmative action, a policy that says people deserve to be hired based off their skin color alone.
You're basically exactly who Pillar of Garbage is calling out here. The problem is absolutely not "diversity hires," and I've never once seen anyone using this line present any evidence this is even happening or is in any way a cause for bad art. The problem is corporate pandering, using tokenism and shallow representation with their typical middling-to-bad writing of films as products first and art second; the problem is profit motives for projects with ballooning budgets, poor management, and bad hiring decisions on multiple levels that have no relation to diversity. Homogeneous "good-old days" products have the same problems, with Generic-Action-Man leads and shoddy writing, but those are not called out nearly as often and certainly not with the same fervor. And, again, the "wokeness" isn't why any of these things are bad, it's not even usually the actors or purported or perceived cast and crew diversity. It's corporatization of art. Executives who want generic, palatable, cookie-cutter products and growing profits. It's the wheels of Capitalism turning, and there's a whole population to grift with bad media beyond white dudes. The representation, the vast vast majority of the time, has nothing to do with it. Misandry is there rarely, but bigotry or grievance of any kind just makes for bad art. It's not an "agenda," it's either cynically targeting disaffected women in a patriarchal society, or made by women who have had a lifetime of negative experiences with men in power in the entertainment industry. I forgot to mention, saying "The real issue is when Blue's Clues is putting the pride parade with men dressing up as women on display for young, impressionable children" is a gigantic self-report. Big "I'm not Homophobic BUT" energy.
I'm sure you've been receiving a lot of backlash for this video (which is ironically from the anti-woke crowd) but I'd just like to say that you broke down this idea of "wokeness" in such an eloquent yet humorous way. You deserve a like and subscribe from me! Great video and I hope that you don't stop making "controversial" videos like this one.
I remember when I saw Gertrude in the Runaways comic for the first time. Seeing a plus size Jewish comic book hero didn’t absolutely rock my world but I felt seen by this character in a way I never had before. It felt good. Seeing a compelling character like me made me feel a little bit more like I wasn’t just an afterthought to the people in the writers room. Why wouldn’t you want more people to enjoy that feeling? How is hoarding it for your demographic alone anything less than ghoulish?
I cried when I realised Krem in Dragon Age was a trans man. Never in a million years had I expected to find someone like me in a triple A. How starved of representation so many of us are, that so little means so much to us. But even basic acknowledgment that we exist is too much for the people you correctly called ghoulish.
You should check stuff outside of the Studio bubble. 2022 was a great year for movies but most people didn't noticed because The big four studios devoured all their attention.
Thoroughly enjoying your videos. I also love seeing when YT shows me people who stopped watching anti-woke creators because of their hippocracy and bs.
I heard someone saying that ant man 3 has communist themes because the ants were socialists never mind that socialism and communism are 2 different things and that line was very brief also socialism is a peaceful way for worker support while communism is a violent response
You made me subscribe and unsubscribe in less than one hour. I don’t think it’s some conspiracy that woke ideology is being pushed, it’s really just individuals that infuse their art with their personal values and sometimes they’re a little bit woke. Like She-hulk show runners definitely had some woke stuff in the show. I think completely dismissing the idea that this stuff exists is just as folly as stating it’s performing some take over.
@@Peasham Woke is essentially emphasizing identity politics. I don’t even think it’s a bad thing. Sometimes though it can be a little cringe. For example, when She-Hulk was instantly able to control being a Hulk just because she’s a woman, it was super woke and cringy.
@@Aureilius2112 Wait, isn't it the narrative of the right that women and men are inherently different and good at different things? Doesn't the aforementioned She-Hulk example affirm that worldview then?
@@maxgrozema1093 first I’m not on the right. Second, yeah it would be, however I highly highly doubt the right thinks women are better at controlling emotions. It’s clearly a feminist perspective, let’s not kid ourselves. Purposely misunderstanding the other side doesn’t do any good in trying to figure out why people disconnected from that show.
If I don't like the politics of a movie or the like I just ignore it or at most mock it to my friends. The only time I get angry is when the viewer is attacked by the real people involved in making the art. For instance just taking the MCU I hated Captain Marvel but would have just viewed it as a bad Marvel movie like Thor 2 but then Brie insulted viewers. On the other hand I didn't like the new Star Wars trilogy but don't view it as Woke for two reasons 1 Star Wars was always left leaning and 2 the writing is so bad it can't communicate any message. Also I loved Ms. Marvel aside from the time travel episode but I understand why it couldn't be 100% accurate since it was a single half-hour episode and the Indian religious conflict is too complex for a mainstream D+ Superhero teen drama. As for Wakanda Forever my problem is them ignoring what I understand to be Chadwick Boseman's wishes to be recast. I actually think the race changing of Namor makes sense. I didn't mind the race changing of Ned etc the only race change the MCU did that I don't like was the Ancient One and that's because they changed a Tibetan to a White person so they could work with a totalitarian government to have their movie screened. Finally for me the opposite of forced diversity is simple; is X group explained in this location by text or subtext? If so it's not forced. If a white guy shows up in the Congo in the third century it's forced. Just as an example. In fact I would have left Everett Ross out of the first Black Panther film if I was involved because that was a uniquely Black story about African geopolitics and having a token white guy cheapens it. Now I am a white Anglo Saxon Protestant Conservative; so me and Mr Garbage probably disagrees on a lot of things but I think he's spot on when he says Woke has lost all power as a term for the left but I would go one further and say it's lost all value to the right too. It's a nebulous term that refuses to engage with any reality of the art.
As much as I disagree with this videos, you do seem to put a lot of effort and I applaud you for this video. You bring up a valid point in that with a lot of online reactionaries do tend to blame an elite cabal that run the world. I would say your point of wokeness and Cultural Marxism are just blatantly wrong. There is a video by ShortFatOtaku who goes in depth on this issue: th-cam.com/video/MYpLKPJADms/w-d-xo.html
Not going to watch an hour-long video, but feel free to summarise it & tell me why I’m wrong yourself From a glance at the video I see it’s about Gramsci, the Frankfurt School, and all that - but if the ‘gotcha’ is an attempt to equate the critical theory that’s sometimes been referred to as ‘cultural Marxism’ with the more recent conspiracy theory of the same name (which is what this video discusses), I imagine it won’t be a very successful one.
@@PillarofGarbage well critical theorists are descendant from thinkers of the frankfort school, which in turn gets many of it's ideas from Gramsci. He goes into depth about the evolution. Btw the reason I used him (ShortFatOtaku) is because he read much of the material of critical theory so he does know what he is talking about.
@@ConnieFWill okay, I understand your points, I will even grant you them. The part of the video that stuck out to me was the Cultural Marxism term, yes it may not be used by critical theorists to refer to themselves (now), but as he pointed out the term did not use to be just a buzzword. The main argument I see being used is that racists use that term; therefore the term is bad. Also you seem to have cherry picked from the queer theory parts of the video, not the actual meat and potatoes of the video. Also I don't think he has a distaste queer people (probably leftists though).
I'm not really to poltical or nothing like that I always thought and belived that the " woke" was when something bad is being forced by agendas that dont normally go with the charther or aren't normally sinonoimus with the character. For example a charther I like personally Mar-vell the past lover of Carol was turned into a rude, forgetable charther and not to mention turned him into an OLD woman. That bothers me so much because not only does he not have a bigger role in the story which inspire's Carol in the story but he is redculed to a garbage character that barely anybody remembered. But thats one small example of what woke means to me. Taking away from an already esablish charthers lore and turning them into a women when being a male is an actual part of his charther. But if Marvel said that MCU was an else world story and not a one to one adaption like they've been pushing for then I don't think I would mond so much because if they were just doing there own thing then they can take different liberties. Also i think a big reason why people may have gotten offened about Black oanther was when they referred to that white agent guy as a " Coloniezer " or another " white broke boy " that may have offened or even seem cringe ( I knkw my friends cringed when seeing that scence in Black panther 2 well except for one he laughed ) but yeah I think theres a little more than just if a person is a woman or a certain race why others may get mad i mean sure that may be the case for some but it can't be like that for all of them. But hey thats just my opinion, feel free to comment what you think below I think seeing what other people have to say will be intersting.
I love you for making this video. Ive been annoyed by the woke obsessed marvel haters and you expressed my feelings in a much more eloquent way than i ever could
The reason we have so many crappy movies today is the same as why we had so many crappy movies in the past: bad writing and/or direction. Sure, some small fraction of those may be due to a writer or director trying to push a message, but that's always been true, even before we had "woke culture".
The problem isn't that they push a social message, its that they think doing so will get them a pass for not writing a good story. When criticized for the bad story, they hide behind the social message and claim whoever doesn't like it must be sexist/racist/whatever. Sometimes, as we saw with She-Hulk, they even do this before the audience sees their work.
@@monkeytime9851 I'd say that was still true in the past, it was just less obvious because we didn't have frictionless social media pipelines, so people weren't just chucking out their poorly considered replies to be retweeted by millions of people engaging in their own internet slap fights.
@@monkeytime9851 The problem with this criticism is ignoring the swaths of people who WERE simply implying the presence of a woman as being some prerequisite for a poorly written show. Of course if people are bitching about how your new show is "woke propaganda" before it has even fucking aired based on nothing but teaser clips and bottled up aggression you're going to assume some of that criticism is not coming from a genuine place and is instead just bigoted whining from dumbfucks online. And you would be right in that assumption. Maybe if the banshees didn't start screeching before the damn thing was even made public the creators wouldn't have had reasonable ammunition to call out the dogshit "critique" they were receiving before, as you put it, the audience even sees their work.
I really wish "woke" never got into the zeitgeist. It went from just being socially aware to a joke in the black community to mock hoteps, to bein an argument along with callin someone an "sjw"
Watching this over a year later and it has remained a tool for the alt right as described in the video. But to anyone who was actually woke to the original meaning, using it ironically on the "anti-woke" crowd is objectively funnier. Same goes for "snowflake", when the people being outraged are the racists
People that use word woke as something negative are the same people that say that woke culture is trigger culture, theyre also the same people that start crying when Sarah gets race swapped in tlou hbo series 🤣 Yes, Im ready to be killed now by this dogsh*t community
@@Smoked_out_skeletonsI'll take you up on that. Let me clarify though, when you say you're a constitutionalist, you are refering to the stance that a government derives its authority from and is limited by a body of law? Also, what bearing does being a solider have on the discussion put forth?
Imagine what the angry anti-woke will do after learning the animated Justice League show deliberately swapped Hal Jordan and Aquaman for John Stewart and Hawkgirl for diversity reasons. That technically makes the DCAU super woke.
@@PillarofGarbage And they can't say DCEU is dead because of "woke". There were barely any diverse characters so why didn't they support their own anti-woke Justice League movie? In fact the best scenes were the ones with minorities' storylines fleshed out in the Snyder version. I'm hearing we might get Vixen in the new DC lineup. I hope she is one of Waller's agents - everyone has betrayed her and she needs a super weapon.
@@suzygirl1843 I mean technically no. Aquaman was played by a Samoan/Native American actor, Wonder Woman by a Middle Eastern Israeli, and Dwayne Johnson… definitely ain’t white.
Bruce Timm has even said they got flack for using John over Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner. This crap isn't even new. The only difference is people monetizing rage over women, minorities and LGBT people in media.
Speaking of which, we've almost had an annual moment in 2019 & 2020 where Captain Marvel & Birds of Prey were competed against Alita & Sonic respectively by the anti-woke mob. Which is weirdly fascinating considering both Alita & Sonic doubles down hard on being pro-immigration, especially when Dr Robotnik often slurred Sonic as an "alien".
I mean. Nah the Sonic movies are very right-wing. One of the main characters is a cop and all of Sonic's trademark anti-capitalism and ecoterrorism have been completely and deliberately scrubbed away. You're right about Alita though.
The infuriating thing about Alt-Right trolls is that they only label things as “woke” when they perceive it as bad. If it’s an undeniably great piece of art, they either ignore it, ignore the politics of it entirely or try to fit it into the very framework that it goes against. Of the top of my head: Mad Max Fury Road, Snowpiercer, Justice League Gods & Monsters, the Suicide Squad, 90% the Avengers movies, Avatar, Andor all have lefty subtext (or even straight up text) that is ignored by them because “why are you trying to bring politics into this cool storrry!”
I was watching JL:Gods and Monster yesterday, it's an alternate reality where Superman was raised as a Mexican immigrant. And he was a badass, a little antihero and cynical at times, but pretty good.
It's kinda interesting, the idea that superman's moral principals are kinda result of a position of privilege. Although of SM is absolutely working class he never had to go hungry.
I mean, cannon superman may as well be. immigrant baby that was dropped on American soil by alien parents, worked on a farm from a young life for white people, white girlfriend whose dad hates him for being an alien, speaks Spanish (and every other language), uses a fake identity to work in the country, need i say more?
11:52 “The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”” Umberto Eco: A Practical List for Identifying Fascists
Quoting a nutjob conspiracy theorist on a video about criticizing the right as conspiracy theorists. Hilarious example of left wing cognitive dissonance.
Seriously thank you for doing this! I’m so tired of “Woke” being used as an argument. Especially since it distracts from the real issues in the industry.
I’ve been using “woke” to exclusively describe when representation is used as a disingenuous means of putting people like me (non-white) on the screen for the views/cash. Representation matters as a means of reflecting what is true of the culture at large, but when it’s done for profit and profit alone, I have an issue and won’t refrain from using the term in those situations. Perhaps another evolution of the term is in order.
@@EduardoOlidenJr Personally, I'd call what you are describing as exploitative behavior by production companies. The issue with the term "woke" is that it generally is used to refer to anything, which a person might feel is too progressive or just makes them feel uncomfortable. It is really non-descriptive. Instead of people having to formulate well-thought out arguments (like yours) for what they feel is wrong, they just use "woke". In discussions, I've found it impossible to have a constructive conversation with people who use the term. On the other hand, hard-core conservatives, who roll their eyes at the term, have been great and respectful at bringing their point across and been open to discussions about different points of views. That being said - that's just my experience and does not mean this is representative of the experience other people might have had.
I saw a channel that called some video games trailers with black female characters woke just because the characters were black or female or both. Like their only criticism of the games trailer was that the game is woke because tbey have a black female character
Another great video. I miss when "woke" as a criticism was used to point out superficial gestures towards progressive politics while those making the gestures are actually quite indifferent or even hostile towards any kind of progressivism. Ironically, a lot of things criticised as being part of the "woke agenda" actually belong to the former category of commodifying progressive politics. Brief, easily removable non-heteronormative moments are the most obvious of these. In some cases, it feels like media that would otherwise be ignored deliberately adds "ambiguous wokeness" to get backlash from reactionaries, which in turn effectively forces anti-reactionaries to support said media. Wokeness as an agenda doesn't exist, but it certainly does seem to exist as a cynical marketing strategy for the rich old white men who care nothing for the actual issues they profit off vaguely gesturing towards.
Realizing this several years ago when the "anti-woke" movement really started gearing up is what catalyzed my shift from Liberal to Socialist. It finally clicked that I agreed with some of their critiques, but they were misidentifying the causes egregiously. By entirely missing the root of the problem (profit incentives for "art" and corporate pandering) they would never contribute to a solution or be satisfied. That, and there was an increasing reliance on "wokeness" for all the problems of mediocre media when it was the core plot or character writing at issue. Just typical reactionary scapegoating.
Part of the problem (besides mediocre media) is that those who are behind the scenes are still white heteronormative cis men who know how to check off the appropriate boxes. It’s cynical at best and meant to undermine any attempt at making “the other” human, which is supposed to be the point of art (commercial or otherwise). Regarding film and television particularly (though not exclusively) the people making the product are still overwhelmingly white male and straight. And though not great for humanity, it would seem less egregious if they actually knew and understood people who are nothing like them. The status quo continues to support segregation and white supremacy.
People are acting like 80s coming of age movies or films like Top Gun or Footloose didn't have ideology whatsoever. Part of the definition of culture is that it involves an specific vision of the world, and such vision is canalized through pretty much everything.
The most important aspect of these kinds of moral panic is that the threat never goes away. If producers start casting more “traditionally” and sideline POC, women, and LGBTQ+ characters, the people who fear “wokeness” will either move on to another target (“Have you noticed how many characters are left handed?”) or view the change as evidence that the plot is even more insidious than before. “They’re going underground! Where will they strike next?”
We need to start more campaigns about drinking water and going outside to breath fresh air and talking a lot about how breathing is so very important, at first I bet they’ll get condescending, but eventually have to take the opposing view of not drinking water and not breathing just for their contrarian nature to remain intact
Left-wing cultural values are often in superhero movies because the ideologies that are opposed to leftism often think suffering is actually a good thing. Heroes in movies want the world to get better, not worse. Do the math.
You’re very naive if you assume that leftist ideologies don’t derive in any suffering or that opposing those ideologies means that you’re inherently pro suffering
@@ajitadonismanilal9105 There are not really that much conservative Writers in Comics. It started with Superman. His first comics would get certain people quite mad. And there is a lot more like that. Read the first Secret Empire Story from Captain America for another example.
As a brown asian (Filipino) I could not care less about seeing my kind on screen. I dont go to the movies and sulk about not having enough representation because I care more about being entertained. In fact I much prefer Hollywood entertainment vs Philippine cinema because our product is just hot basura. If I wanted to see my face on screen Id go back to watching awful Filipino movies.
@@jeromealday614 I dont know if you noticed but our culture is quite different from light skinned east Asians. We are not what Crazy Rich Asians represented.
I hear Kevin Fiege will burn your 90's comics and force you too watch She Hulk on loop Clockwork Orange style. That was sarcasm I know the internet is scared of big words.
It always strikes me when you see B roll of the talking heads who are on one about "wokeness" again, and 99% of them are white dudes, often with beards, sitting in rooms full of nerd-coded merch. Like, it just really shows who they think art and the world is "for." As if the women, LGBTQ folks, POC, etc., should be thanking them just for being allowed to have a turn on the Xbox at all, when Mom makes them, of course. The notion that the world could be about anything other than them and their fantasies is just terrifying to them.
As if it's only white guys that care about this. Jeez. Eric July exists. Sydney Watson exists. That Star Wars Girl exists. Just because the majority of talking heads are white, doesn't mean their audience and those that agree with them are. Left wing propaganda is a problem. The message. The moral standing. The social commentary NEVER makes up for a good story or a good character. It's just as annoying as the Christian films. It's a poor excuse for shitty writing.
@@ShadowSonic2 if I was born in that time period, who knows, but considering racism was an actual problem back then... I doubt I would have felt like it was unnecessary. Now however, if they made a film like that today, like Get Out, I probably would have a problem with it. Thing is, I enjoyed Get Out. I've said this many times by now, if the film is good, the message doesn't detract from it. Get Out is a good movie with decent writing, great acting, great direction, and pretty good cinematography. Now, if the movie was poorly written, had unremarkable acting, bland direction and cinematography, like a Marvel film, then the message would be polish on a turd. And that's for the people who agree with the message, if they don't, and the message is blatant and hateful, why would anyone enjoy the film? There is nothing phase 4 and now phase 5 has to offer that previous phases haven't done better. There is nothing in Marvel that is woke that indie arthouse films haven't done better.
Please try actually watching these "talking heads" and assessing their arguments based on their own merits, not their skin color. Don't form judgements while sitting comfortably in your own echo chamber. Lord knows I am not the target audience for POG, but I am over here trying to figure out how people on this side think and if anyone can persuade me with valid arguments. So far nobody has, but I am open to hearing you out and letting you take your best shot. I did not enjoy this video, which stopped just short of calling me a n@zi (I am Jewish, btw) for having an opinion outside of this particular bubble, but I gave it its due. I ask that you check out Critical Drinker, or Nerdrotic, or Eric July (a black dude) and hear them out before you decide whether or not you agree with them. Don't just take POG's word for it and hop on the hate train without receipts. And don't forget, POG is building his brand reacting to these people - it's profitable for him to keep the hate and misinformation flowing. Back to your comment about "99% of them are white dudes, often with beards". You are outright dismissing their criticisms based on their skin color, you know that right? It sounds an awful lot like....what's that word....? Begins with R and ends with ism. Inconvenient fact, however, is that there are often women and people of color who participate in these discussions or comment approval on these videos. What's your problem with beards?
@@bryanfine986 exactly. They love black people when they're liberal, but when they're conservative they're Uncle Toms and White Supremacist traitors to their own race. They love women when they're 3rd wave feminist, but when they say that biological men can't be women, they're terfs and deserve to be canceled. I don't understand how you can claim to be for all women or all black people or all gay people when there are many women, black people, and gay people that think progressive ideology is damaging to society. Also, the communities that preach inclusivity and acceptance are really horrible at allowing people to have differing opinions from their own. I think they hate beards because they can't grow one.
I would define it as anti-white propaganda. For example, POCs can hang out exclusively with their own but when white people do it they are shamed for having a "lack of diversity" in their group of friends. Or when Italy won the Euros, there were voices that were critizicing their association for being racist because thery had no black player in the squad. On the other hand, woke morons wouldn't dare to call out the French XI in the final consisting almost exclusively of black players because apparently "representation" is only important and good when the ratio in favor of non-whites.
@@markusk9080 and your definition would be wrong. Thanks for trying. But you can always educate yourself and better yourself as a person. Also the fans of those soccer teams all chant racist shit at the team members and compare them to apes. So fuck those people too.
@@Attivian I do educate myself but not in a way you pathetic woke clowns would approve of. I still have balls, that's that's probably why we think so different. I'm actually proud of my culture and heritage, so it's a source of pride and joy rather than of shame and embarassment like for you losers. Btw. stop talking about things you don't know anything about. You just proved that you have zero knowledge about football.
I'm really curious to see what you have to say about "woke shows" that unti-woke critics aclaimed to be good: like Arcane and Into the spiderverse. Even though it has the "agenda" and representation, most people love these show
Imagine acknowledging people different from you existing. Jesus. Some people just need to go outside and meet people, then they'll see how underrepresented they actually are, instead of overrepresented in media.
You could easily grift to the right if you wanted to. So glad that's not you. Having someone who can sound like one of them, to debunk them is exactly what we need. Keep up the good work.
As much as Pillar criticizing the anti-woke movement he does the exact same thing, but just in the opposite direction. He just also made up a boogeyman and paint them just as cartoonishly evil in his head. He maybe thinks that his video sound so intellectual and such. But he is also just pulling the audience's strings with the right words and phrases: "young white men", "far-right", "fascist", "bigots", "hating women or minorities", "gateway", "cultural marxism is a dog whistle", "alt-right pipeline" and so on.
@@tamaspapp225 - Of course they are evil. Take one look at the thumbnails these grifters create & tell me these are good people? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 They bully, they harass, they attack everything & everybody. They create hit pieces, & smear campaigns every single day. They only care about producing as much negativity, outrage, drama, hate & malice. All done with such incredibly petty, immature, juvenile & disrespectful behaviour. The irony of these channels is that are identical to the "SJWs" they complain about, just from a right wing perspective. Hence why some are calling them what they are "Conservative Justice Warriors". They even have their own Cancel Culture slogan "Get Woke, Go Broke" when they want to cancel people or things that dont share their same politics. Every day they gaslight, dog whistle, fear monger about the "WoOk" boogeyman we need to fear. They rile up the audience with Right Wing Rhetoric & buzzwords like "Woke, SJ Double Yas, Groomers, Feminist, Identity Politics, Agendas" in order to push their Conservative, Social, & Political Agendas down peoples throats every single day. So now ever person, celebrity, artist, film, story, character, scene, dialogue, every trivial detail, has to align 100% with all Conservative, Religious, Social & Political Agendas, or be vilified & hated as "Woke". Everything that doesnt share their ideologies will be publicly shamed, pushed to be hated, & labeled "Woke". These people are a bunch of Right Wing Social & Political Extremists who just want everything to pander to Conservatives values, or it shouldnt be allowed to exist. They are all disingenuous people, pathological liars, & will create any hyperbolic & ridiculous narrative to further their own Agenda. They have become a bunch of raging psychopaths & narcissists that contribute nothing positive, or of any real value what so ever. They encourage bad behaviour & do not seem to care how much damage they are doing to our youth that consumes the absolute drivel that comes from these cesspools. I cant even let my kids near TH-cam anymore because lunatics have infected everything Marvel or Stars Wars right now & i dont want them picking up any of the immature & toxic behaviour coming from these channels.
@@mizushogun What's the context on actors getting fired for having a different opinion? Where's the context for that girl getting fired from limited run games for a tweet she liked? He's obviously not giving enough context with all that's happening.
If Avater the last Airbender came out today, then every anti-woke-tuber would have called it woke garbage, based on the first episodes. Its ironic, since this show is the most beloved show in the past 2 decades. They keep the word woke as vague as possible to label every show as woke and never run out about stuff to complain about. You should upload a parody video, where you review the first season in their style to highlight how ridiculous it is. You know how their biased videos work and it should not be a problem to find clips in the show to recreate one of their videos.
Despite the fact that the diversity in Avatar the Last Airbender actually makes sense? You know, unlike a lot of the shows the people mentioned here criticize?
@@ldcg106 If a new show came out today with an episode one of the male leads acts boastful and arrogant before getting beaten up and humiliated by a group of powerful warrior women I'm more than willing to bet that people would be losing their minds about how "woke" that show is and how much the creators hate men.
@@Chario_ And if a show came out about abusive, manipulative, and entitled women getting beat up by powerful male heroes, the "woke" mob would pitch a b¡tch-fest and cry that the writers were mysoginists; they would probably do it even if powerful superheroines did it.
@@ldcg106 Those anti woke people would still find reasons to complain about it. Even if it makes sense to include different ethnic groups. You are assuming that they are reasonable .
the idiots claim that comics back in the day, in the good old days, were free from politics but that just shows how poorly they read the texts they claim to love. the problem isn't that there's suddenly politics in comics, the problem is just that they aren't the only people that comics related things are made for and they are going to throw a hissy fit about that.
Haters: "everything's so woke these days" MARVEL: "And now we just have to believe in love, friendship and not making ANY long lasting structural changes at all, don't listen to anyone trying to change things, because clearly anyone who tries to change anything is evil! God Bless America!"
anti-woke people will watch actual military propaganda in a superhero movie and still go like "oh no these leftists have gone too far" it's hilariously sad
I’m starting to think that “woke” just means anything other than white, wealthy, Christian, conservative, heterosexual, cis, neurotypical “alpha” males with a specific body type. Hell, even Covid is considered “woke” these days (or at least caring about it and/or acknowledging it.)
That's not exactly the case, though. In my opinion, wokeism is actively going against the straight white Christian male. It's everywhere in the media like commercials, TV shows, movies, etc. A T.V show example would be "The Boys". The blonde haired blue eyed straight male with the American flag as his cape is the villain. During the show, there are clear examples of them throwing jabs at Christianity. A movie example would be "The Purge". Again, another jab by showing white Christian families as evil murderers. Those were just some examples, and there are plenty more. Wokeism isn't just the fact of including all races, ethnicities, and genders, but purposefully going out of the way to trash white men, and Chrisitanity.
@@hhasslinger9601 bro are you gonna call the boys comic book woke too because Homelander is also the villain he supposed to be the realistic version of Superman, a parody even.Jesus Christ
everything in this video is so accurate and what i (and other lgbt people and especially poc) have been saying for years. thank you for speaking up, its just frustrated that every time i try to say something like this, i get shot down immediately because people see me as a woman and don't take me seriously
I'm not trying to be a smartass, but it could be because you don't have a very commanding presence. People tend to listen to people who are well articulated, doesn't talk slow, and speaks loudly but with confidence. It's harder for women because they tend not to be put in the same situations as men often do.
I never knew the origin of "woke" but I do remember it's original intention as well as the change to its current terminology. As a student of history it's frightening to see millions of Americans willingly walking down a fascist path without actually realizing it.
The origin of "woke" as a slang term wasn't explained in this video either. It started out as a Black American Vernacular English (the blatantly altered grammar of saying "woke" rather than "awake" is the clue here) offshoot of the term "conscious", as in conscious and aware of the ways white supremacy - not "social injustice" in general but white supremacy specifically - permeates American society and has the black American community under siege. The term carried that context within the confines of black America for decades, until the mid-2010s, when the combined factors of the advent of social media and the increased visibility of high-profile killings of unarmed black people by the police pushed the discussions featuring this term into the forefront of the digital public, where it got absorbed into the mainstream lexicon and its definition was expanded to serve as an umbrella for all marginalized groups, and this video picks it up from that point on.
If someone complains about something being "woke", I take that as a "Tell me you're a fascist without telling me you're a fascist" moment - likewise accusations of "Cultural Marxism".
I watched some of his videos right before the TH-cam anti-woke movement became a thing. His videos were normal geek-culture stuff. He might have had 1k subscribers. There was nothing about his videos that made them stand out. Getting on the Woke Train made him. Without that content (which they're able to manufacture), these guys can't compete with people who actually know this stuff and can bring in unique or entertaining takes
This was absolutely the best video on this topic I have ever seen. You gave a perfect deconstruction of the term as used by the radical right, and I will reference your talking points if I ever get into an argument about this again. Whenever I have a conversation with someone who uses "woke" as an insult about entertainment, they use this frustrating pivot from just arguing against corporate pandering to insisting that minorities should be excluded from media entirely-especially if they ever once make "bad media". People who were excluded from media creation in the past are only just now getting to tell stories and make art. Some of that art is going to suck.
That’s why I often call out the BS fallacy of “go woke go broke”. It’s not like terrible media started when projects started having lead and main characters be someone other than white straight guys.
Some sucking is all right. Every single one of them , then u start to see a problem. And dont u dare deny there is an agenda. All the men are incompetent. Those who aren't most definitely will be villans. All the girls are perfect while all the men are there to just hold them down. People will tolerate that crap no longer. I will not watch anything that actively tries to belittle me.
The bit at around 12:10 brings to mind a quote from Michael Parenti in Blackshirts & Reds, not exactly the same thing but it's definitely an interesting parallel "During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum." It's definitely a consistent technique of the right, if everything they do is wrong then it's proof they must be evil. It'd be funny how often these people argue that they use FACTS and LOGIC to then just ignore material reality in favour of contradictory falsehoods if it wasn't so fucking terrifying how widespread it is
Do conservatives realize the term “WOKE” is literally African American vernacular English ? The term they use to criticize the “woke hive mind” literally came from the quote on quote woke hive mind. I wonder what the new term will be when they realize this if they do at all .
@Maverick Invictus They aren't buying firearms because they have to protect themselves from society and the government, they are society and the government.
I wouldn’t have given a shit about any of this “woke” stuff if they didn’t make luke skywalker a bum and Loki into slap nuts. I’m allowed to not like the new little mermaid because she doesn’t look like the cartoon come to life. Change all you want but if it’s not faithful to what’s come before then I’m just not gonna like it. The new Ben 10 show as well as the new modok are examples I have.
I can’t tell you how much I hate the word woke I feel like I hear it everyday it’s the most overused word today said by people that don’t even know what it means like I used to be a fan of Tyrone magnus but ever since 2019 to today he’s jumped on the everything is woke bandwagon so much so I got tired of it and unsubscribe to his channel thank you for making this video I hope more people see it
I remember when this first started… what, a decade ago? When the more or less left wing TH-camrs who would call out the religious nuts and the like started ranting about feminism… and in no time they were on the side of the religious nuts because a woman hurt their feelings once or something equally stupid
I usually joke that if giant-sized X-Men was made today, it would be considered woke. It diversified the xmen and gave people different thoughts and ideas to be a mutant. It's surprising to see my childhood ideas in the media. It feels like people had the same ideas. Namor is Mexican and the Adams family is brown. All we're missing is Mexican Superman (a superman raised by Mexicans instead of the Clarks. I would like him to be raised by Nahuatl-speaking Nauas to give the outsider feeling more plus you can bring colorism which I feel like it's neglected in media) by doing stories from pre-WWII golden age comics. That original superman is going to make those anti-wokeness people have panic attacks. Lol.
I read some letters Marvel got after giant-sized X-Men and the main difference would be that today certain people would try hide their racism better behind calling something "woke".
@@yarc9 the actual definition for woke is this aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice) that's what the actual word means not the what these internet idiots believe what it's.
@@yarc9 Now, it means the use surface-level values in order to appear morally superior and manipulate good causes in order to deflect well-deserved criticisms in hopes that other people don't realize the ignorance and hypocrisy of said actions
@@ldcg106 Nah I'm pretty sure it's now just a buzzword for people like you to be able to spread your right-wing agenda by saying diversity makes products worse.
I was about to click do not recommend channel until I saw it was a pillar of garbage. I can always count him to be a sensible human being and have media literacy
I’m gonna honest, I don’t think you and I would agree politically or morally( I’m a catholic so hope that clarifies what I mean). That being said, you have provided some interesting points regarding the term “woke” and I do agree it is truly overused by right wing support ( who I don’t support ). I will definitely be looking into your channel in contrast to some of the channels I’m use to.
What sucks about this anti-woke movement most is that you can’t legitimately criticize any products surrounded in these controversies. Like, take she-hulk for example. I came from it feeling that it was poorly paced, most of its jokes landing flat, and just was not written well for the source material they were basing it on (as well as it being a clear sign of marvel’s poor treating of their vfx team), or that I think Disney’s live action remakes only hurt the original films as they continue to play into the “animation is only for kids” mindset. Yet I can’t say either of these without at least a handful of people telling me I’m just part of the anti-woke agenda and my thoughts are invalid (people assume I’m anti black Ariel in the latter case). This is made worse if the company that made it hide behind this instead of addressing criticis.. Basically, it doesn’t matter what side you take in this, you don’t win
What’s odd to me, is that someone works in fan works it ones the oddest parts … like if I have headcannon Riddler on the spectrum? Is that wokeness? Like fandom work changes eveything and nothing if wants to fit the appeal of the author
I mean,a lot of batman villains are on , i dont want to call it a disorder, but it would fit with th pattrn of batman villains, and honstly make sense with his obsession. on not sense but fit in.
@@laragallahue7127 If that's the character's whole personality and expect people to sympathize just because they are on the spectrum, it would be considered "woke".
I am a straight white man and i realy dont have a problem with the woke stuff in the movies. Making a character gay or something like this does not make the movie bad. Shehulk is even a critic on the woke stuff, but only if you watch past the first episode
I don't even want this to be sugar-coated anymore. The word woke used to mean something amazing. But, now it just means anything that isn't white male cishet able-bodied white collar Christian that probably is a Hitler apologist that brings up his "art". Woke = reality. These people don't want to live in the real world where not everything is flipping Anglo-Saxon. The fact that these people associate being woke as an inherent flaw easily plays into everything the Nazis and the KKK fought for believing. A belief that anything that isn't what was mentioned previously is inferior by design. Woke = minority
I find it fascinating, in a kind of sad way, that I feel like the role of the word "woke" in conservative circles is functionally equivalent to the word "racist" or "sexist", etc., in liberal circles, as far as how it factors into arguments. I've noticed, when I mention that something is racist or homophobic or what have you, to conservatives, it's treated as if I've used a meaningless buzz word to shut down conversation. Like, "Oh, every time We want to have an opinion on something, You Guys always want to say we're being racist, etc." In their eyes, it's just a button pushed to end critical thinking. When in reality, I don't consider "This is racist," to be the end of the conversation. I think "This is racist; let's look at how it's racist, let's look at where this idea comes from, let's consider how we can avoid this in the future," is a worthwhile conversation to have. And from my perspective, "woke" is just a button they push to end critical thinking; whenever I see them use it, it seems to come from a place of "Thing is woke, woke is bad, thing is bad." I've never once seen any depth to the ideology outside of "I've been made to see a gay relationship in a show I chose to watch, which is woke, which is bad," or "I've been made to see a diverse cast in a show I chose to watch, which is woke, which is bad." It makes me wonder if they believe there's more to it. If they think "racist" is just the "Shut up" button, is that just a symptom of the fact that "woke" is /their/ "Shut up" button, and they assume liberals are doing the same thing, or is the situation exactly symmetrical and, from their perspective, there's some amount of dimension to the concept? In my experience, no; like I said, I've only ever seen the term used in a straightforward, shallow "There is representation in this show, which is woke, which is bad." But I guess I find it interesting to think about.
If you haven't heard of it, it sounds like you're talking about a "thought terminating cliche." They are used to abruptly end discussion and signal a refusal to think any further on the matter. I definitely agree that "woke" gets used that way, and that reactionaries think "racism" or "sexism" serve that function for leftists and progressives.
There was a lot of Black Superheroes before the Race Swap it’s nonsense to call this representation when all it’s doing it’s claiming is they can’t make good black characters without race swap.
The thing I love about that She-Hulk twerking scene is that it is 100% what shed do in character. Ffs, she got fired for photocopying her butt in the comics. All this "woke" thing is just not knowing the source material and thinking its self inserted when its true to the source material.
I mean, as a wonderbread white dude, She Hulk wasn't really my favorite. But I'm not mad it exists, and I still found it reasonable enjoyable to watch even though it wasn't target at me.
I find it odd that you believe in neo fascists propaganda but dismiss neo Marxists propaganda as non existent. The people you label neo fascists or accuse of spreading neo fascists propaganda are pointing at content and calling it woke neo Marxists propaganda.
Comments like this always confuse me Asking why I believe *X* is bad/real but that *Y* isn’t Like, because they are *different things*, lmao, there is no cognitive dissonance here Just like it’s not hypocritical for me to believe that giraffes are real but unicorns aren’t
@PillarofGarbage OK but your discussing philosophical concepts that exists within people's minds. Your discussing beliefs. You are choosing to believe that ideas you disagree with are real (neo fascism ) While arguing that the ideas like neo Marxism or wokeness isn't. Which is strange. Neo Marxism is Marxism replacing proletariat vs bourgeoisie with Cis white male vs non cis poc's. Your choosing to call horses unicorns to embolden your point while essentially doing the same thing that you accuse the neo fascists of doing. Just like they don't know the minds of every artists and studio creating woke content you don't know the minds of every anti woke reviewer. Your pretending that ideas you dislike either aren't real or hold no merit. Which is strange. If neo fascism exists so does neo Marxism. You can disagree with the people claiming that woke neo Marxists content sucks. But to deny their ideas are real and labeling neo facists doesn't make those ideas not real. Same as someone saying that neo fascism isn't real because they disagree with you.
@PillarofGarbage and you see no woke movement to spotlight non cis while male characters in projects that end up failing financially. But you do see a movement of neo fascists criticizing entertainment for being woke. You are selectively choosing what to see. Both movements exist but you agree with one more than the other.
Orwell has a great essay about political language and how easily well-meaning terms can be co-opted so they mean nothing. I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head but if one googles "Orwell language corrupts thought essay" they should find it. 10/10 would recommend
You mean words like racist, sexist, homophobic, feminist etc. Yeah you throw it out at any small and broad thing and they lose their worth and meaning pretty fast. Its interesting to see that woke has fallen under the same trap. Looks like both sides are equally throwing shit at eachother
@@beardlyinteresting Actually yeah. You got destroyed by facts and logic kid. It's funny when the uno reverse card hits and the woke crowd crumbles beneath their own hypocrisy.
My problem with these type of stories is, as a Jew, they tell me, my story is not worth telling. Why is Ms. Marvel's story as a Pakistani Muslim more important to tell than Scarlet Witch's as a Jew? Why is the focus only on African Americans, Muslims, women and LGBTQ+ stories and not on any other minority? Why can I only point to Magneto as good Jewish comic adaptation, when African Americans can point to whole movies and shows?
@@ShadowSonic2 still she is Jewish, yet they made her a product of Nazi experiments in the movie. If you are talking about moon knight, I will admit I haven't seen it (I don't have disney+) but I have heard that the one episode about him being Jewish is easily replaceable with any other religion. If you mean any of the arrowverse, then the Jewish characters are surface level at best, meaning they say they celebrate Hanukkah instead of Xmas and that's about it.
@@levyzimand9822 I was talking about TV in general, shows like "The Calling". Oh, so the same way Captain America was the result of Nazi Experiments (even if the Doctor ran to the US)?
@@levyzimand9822 With how obsessed the world is at appeasing the Jews you'd expect more Jewish hero based movies. I'm as surprised by the lack of Jewish representation as you are. Especially as Hollywood loves hiding behind race to divert criticism. It boggles the mind why they're not hiding behind the greatest intellectual shield since WW2. It'd be pretty easy to call people anti semitic even if the movie was bad.
The simple fact is that entertainment used to be more ENTERTAINING... my biggest complaint of Hollywood movies and TV shows isn't that it is 'WOKE' or 'politically correct' but rather that there is no ORIGINALITY any more. Just look at what is being offered. Everything is a goddamn franchise already, Terminator 6, Scream 6, Star Wars 9, Indy 5, Marvel movie #34, D.C. Superhero movie #49, The Fast and the Furious #10 for Tyler's sake... Then on top of the endless slew of franchises there are the reboots, remakes, re-imaginings and whatever. Disney destroying itself with "live action" read CG or computer graphics remakes of ANIMATED FILMS... their bread and butter by the way. And CG NEVER LOOKS AS GOOD AS ANIMATION. I haven't seen a movie at the cinemas since Avengers Endgame... I'm bored of Hollywood and remember this guys, there are over 200 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. Hollywood isn't the center of the film industry, it just has a lot of money and marketing $$$$$ to make you think it is. But at the end of the day, they speak for no one but Hollywood actors and celebrities.... THAT is why their films are failing. I look forward to your feedback.
*Sees a none white, none straight female character. "Oh my God, it's woke!?" Hearing some people complaining and crying about Riri and Cassie being tech genius, being able to create great technology, even though they have access to resources and educational material to make their inventions possible. But they don't complain about Peter Parker being able to make his web shooters who weren't even invented yet before he met Iron Man. Tony being able to build a suit in a cave, or being able to create a NEW FREAKING ELEMENT! Like wow, I wonder what's the difference.
I'll tell you the difference. And its not because they're men. Iron Mans intellect and technological proficiency comes from his background as the son of an intelligent, technological proficient father. MCU Peter Parker obtained his from getting bit by a special spider. Riri Williams became a genius in a garage. No real background there so I dont see why we cant question that. Shuri, same thing. With Wakandas technology heck everyone should be a genius in modern day standard.
@@Parrot3054 Holy shit I completely forgot she was mentored by Hank... Cassie is by far the worse one of the bunch and not because shes a woman but because who ever wrote her character is told to pander to little white girls. Thats representation for you.
Can I give you more examples? Hank Pym, scientist. Bruce Banner, scientist. Reed Richards, scientist. Nathaniel Richards, scientist. Doctor Octopus, scientist. Tobey Maguires Peter Parker, Doc Ock and The Lizards understudy.
Examples of women in the MCU whose legitimacy I dont question: Janet Van Dyne, scientist. Hope Van Dyne, daughter of TWO scientists and chairwoman of Pym Tech. Okoye, because shes a fucking badass warrior and a general. Valkyrie, another badass and a general. Susan Storm, scientist. Hela, an actual goddess.
@@stomachegg041 Yeah, it's not because they're men. Sure. It's not like Shurri didn't have an entire civilization of people with advanced resources that she could have learned from or inherited from. Tony is fine because his dad was a genius, and we didn't get to see Shurri or Riri's dad to determined their genius was inherited?? We only hear that Riri's dad was a mechanic, and inspired her to be fascinated with machines. Ironman's existence inspired her that she can do the same thing but with scraps she can utilize. Doesn't explain how Tony can forge a new element though but okay? Hahaha. The Vulture's crew literally did the same thing and modified Alien tech with everyday machine. Riri doesn't have alien tech but it not like she'll start from scratch since you know, Tony is already there and could base her design on it. Because a magic spiderbite means Peter would be a genius who magically knows how to build web shooters. And there's no magic spiders to bite Riri or Shurri. They need to learn, and study, adapting their idols (Riri) tech inorder to be better. Get out of here dude. You're not even trying dude. Hahahaha.
I am super left-wing but I can’t deny there are woke politics being served to us in some of these shows. I’m not even saying it’s a bad thing to have some woke/progressive stuff, in fact it can be good. Let’s just not do it at the expense of the IP.
So this guys argument is summed up as "if you think its woke, your akin to nazi's"😂 and is the definition of grifter to this guy someone who doesn't think like him?
I respect your opinion. But I think, you fall for the same trap the people, you attack fell for: You oversimplyfiing things and you see a pattern, where is none.
@@conorowens8382 Yes, it's a shame. You could say, we had bigger problems the last years, but these people only talk about these abstract for normal people non-existent "problems".
@@conorowens8382 Here's the question though, whose actually self identifying as 'woke'? Even in its original usage, woke was a verb, not a noun, something you did in the face of injustice, not an entire identity. And typically, despite being left leaning, I only see these 'woke people' in the video and commentary of anti-woke people. Which reminds me a bit of a time when my college campus had a protest over the art department closing down. To read the local news the students were in mass rebellion . . . I had trouble even FINDING the gathering and they were far from being hostile to everyone walking by. So it's not that they don't exist, it's that the internet provides endless opportunity to find people being stupid, endless confirmation bias, and sometimes that stupidity will be informed by their ideological beliefs.
why exactly? The leftists are in control of almost all institutions and therefore constitute a sizable part of the elite, especially in culture and education.
Hollywood 100% has a liberal bias, you even concede that they might be influenced by their political leanings. Comic books are changing the sexuality of long established characters like, Tim Drake, Ice Man, and Batman. Not to mention bring up a character’s sexuality even when it doesn’t matter. I don’t really care if Gandalf is attracted to toasters. Diversify is important but have it mean something. Don’t just race swap and go “now James Bond is black”, show us how him being black has changed his experiences. As someone who married an immigrant and has a bi racial child, I know just changing a white character to a person of color doesn’t tell their story. So I will continue to criticize entertainment that is “woke” when I feel that the diversity or inclusion is disingenuous or shoe horned in for no good reason.
Now notice how you haven't actually consumed any media you consider woke on the basis that it is woke, thereby making your standard of diversity having to tell the story of the diverse character and how their diversity plays into it hilarious.
@@Peasham How are you aware of my media consuming habits? You must A: be making a generalized assumption, or B: constantly watching me and taking meticulous notes. Not to mention your definition of "woke" could very well, and as I suspect, be different from mine. Shoe horning people into media when it doesn't make since is very different then just having a person of color or LBGT+ person in said media. For example having a tribe of white people in Wakanda, or having people of color in the witcher games. Geographically, or historically this doesn't make since, but if the setting was any city USA currently it totally does.
@@Peasham I distinctly remember article written about the lack of diversity in the witcher 3. As to point about LBGT+ people. Yes they have always existed, there are records of them from the Greeks to Indigenous people. Hower there are certain time periods, and certain places, where being something other than heterosexual was not accept and thus they hid their sexuality. But I thank you for bring up your points and allowing me to further clarify.
@@IronLantern89 And there weren't in the base game, which didn't make sense considering they exist in universe. Also... your argument was that them existing doesn't make sense sometimes, hiding it is still existing, what?
except the fact the short videos contain frequencies that hypnotize the people into changing their beliefs against their will. there's your explaination. it increases theta waves to allow for the information to get through and to change your mind. the whole reason we are against it is because we are against people being manipulated against their will.
Incels? Ah, yes. That's when baizus cry when people point out the idiosyncrasies of their pathetic ideology and do mental gymnastics to "justify" their dementia
@@Peasham Fascism is the political philosophy of low freedom and even less equality. What part of this does this cheesecake-slandering man you're replying to not understand?
Even if this media was pushing a particular agenda or ideology...so what? I thought these right wing people loved free speech and the marketplace of ideas? Why the panic and outrage?
@@ldcg106 Oh, haha, you're like the inmate in prison for murder that claims you never murdered anyone, you claim the jury is guilty of murder for putting you in a cage for the rest of your life.
@@roofdogblues7400 Your level of mental gymnastics you just performed would make Kamasutra practitioners seem more stiff than a man with a crush on Medusa.
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It's one thing for them to disagree with how certain female or minority characters are depicted in their media and that's fine. But I don't like it when they use their disagreement of how their depicted as an opportunity to push their culture war narratives by calling their media “Woke or SJW” and it’s really annoying.
I love it when superheroes do the wokey dokey
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Making this video shows that you're threatened by those channels. This is a battle of ideologies on a surface level. I don't agree with everything they say, but to me, they're the only ones left on TH-cam with common sense.
@@BrandonNinja they're the biggest hacks on this site and you know it. Still using 2016 memes in their thumbnails ffs.
Remember how everyone freaked out when they saw a black stormtrooper in The Force Awakens? It was one of the first times I remember Star Wars fans being referenced to as racist. It was kind of heartbreaking. Then they saw the women in the movie and directed their energy towards them. Complaining about writing is one thing, but calling the existence of minorities "woke" is the reason why minorities feel like just existing is a protest. Just breathing is triggering for many. And if just living is triggering for some, you can take that to its logical conclusion.
I remember that too. As a black teen Star Wars fan, it hurt me. Plus it opened my eyes to the silly arguments they make to defend their bigoted opinions under the guise of being a “true fan”.
I don't get why these guys were even mad over that. Stormtroopers are villains. You'd think these people would be happy about seeing more black people dying on screen.
> Then they saw the women in the movie and directed their energy towards them.
Yeah, it's interesting to discover that this group is more misogynistic than racist. But it makes a certain kind of sense.
To be fair, there might be a non-racist explanation for that, given the stormtroopers (and by extent, the Empire/First Order) were intended to represent fascist Germany. IDK though.
And many of them will now try to deny that and say they never had a problem with Finn.
The moment someone mention "Woke" unironically as an argument, I imediatly see that as a red flag.
How woke.
Same. No quicker way to disqualify your argument than dropping "woke" when you complain about show/movie/game.
@@Crumphorn 💀
@@Crumphorn Clearly plagued by the Conservative Mind virus.
@@tretretre1111 A disqualifier. So you're saying you don't want to listen to anyone who has a different viewpoint than you?
Also the "woke agenda" isn't complicated: Increased diversity means more people identifying with the I.P. which means more money. Can't be mad at companies having their cake and eating it too. Kinda ironic to refer to it as Cultural Marxism when it's indicative of the Free Market in practice.
EXACTLY!!!
Exactly. The fury against diverse representation in media exposes the use of the “free market” in discourse as its own dog whistle.
It gets so dumb as well… like when 1917 had a 10 second scene with a Sikh soldier from British Empire in a rat tag group of survivors of various other regiments which had taken heavy casualties fighting…
The Culture War lot lost their heads…
As a brown asian (Filipino) I could not care less about seeing my kind on screen. I dont go to the movies and sulk about not having enough representation because I care more about being entertained. In fact I much prefer Hollywood entertainment vs Philippine cinema because our product is just hot basura. If I wanted to see my face on screen Id go back to watching awful Filipino movies.
@@stomachegg041 So what would you suggest?? you just want to see white ppl the whole time? yk they aren’t the default right?
I don't have any problems with someone throwing criticism at a work that happens to be woke but when they imply the wokeness itself is a problem that's a red flag.
Thats the point tho. They are misusing the word woke. Unless the movie tv book is actively fighting against some sort of societal injustice. (Which exist but hardly as often as they imply )
Having a minority as a protagonist or being powerful isn’t woke. Its just a character being the lead and has the ability to kick ass
@@bdboricua3128 It's woke when the intention is to spread an agenda of anti-white propaganda through entertainment, and replacing white men from their rightful place.
The west belongs to Europeans and those of their heritage. That it's been invaded and infected with "diversity" is bad and shameful.
I wouldn't go to China, Africa, the Middle-East or anywhere else and expect their people to be replaced by other minorities for the sake of a diversity quota.
It's disgusting and it permeates all entertainment. All the men are replaced by women like parasites sucking the nutrients of a greater being.
I want to see new cultures explored creatively, not already established culture being corrupted by talentless hacks who make awful stuff for an agenda.
I've been making this Super Heroe Universe(that is *unofficially somewhere in the Marvel and DC multiverse), and I often think, "damn. With the movie/film/novel review climate now, my stories might be considered 'woke garbage' with an agenda to certain people."
For context, I'm a Latino, and my stories feature a lot of Latino characters with messages about the problems that affect my community and people and the issues that exist within our community. I initially had apprehensions making these stories because of that. But I've come to realize that I shouldn't be afraid of telling stories because it would no longer be mine or personal. It would be empty.
That is completely fine. When most people complain about woke stuff, they complain how, for example in your case, they would make you a Latino character and as diverse as possible (queer, disabled, LGBT etc.), and use you as a token in their movie that has nothing to do with it (for example, a Latino in Medieval Denmark). They're not Latino (or Latinx as they would call it, dumb as hell, I know), they don't know about your culture, but they know you're not a white straight person that they view as oppressors and they would use your Latino identity as a political weapon they don't truly care about, but lecture us and degrade us as viewers that we don't care about it.
So no, if you write a Latino-oriented story, as a Latino, that deals with the everyday life and culture of your people, that is not woke and it's completely ok! Of course, if you go into it without any regards to making it enjoyable to your readers and mock them for not being born Latino basically, that's another can of worms, in the way the woke media operates.
I'm making my own superhero series that is quite "woke". It's got a diverse cast (though it does have a straight white male as the main character) that includes an Asian female, a pansexual female African-indigenous inspired alien, and a gay black male with a multi-racial love interest. The main character is an open leftist, and among the factions in it is a community of aliens welcomed as refugees and given land within the city after their home planet was attacked by an interstellar empire, and they continue to hold to and celebrate their native culture. By the standards of the anti-woke grifters, my story is giga-woke. Defcon Woke.
My dream is for it to get big enough for YellowFlash or Eric July or TheQuartering to do a video decrying my series as woke so I can pop onto their Twitters and call them the r-slur.
18:14 wrong. i AM trying to build a femboy army
“Woke” in my opinion is any form of media that puts the message over good story, writing, and characters. Which means that yes I consider the sappy Christian movies “woke” in the same way that She-Hulk is.
You keep bringing this back to casting, but not a whole lot of people are mad that black people and women are being cast. If anyone is critiquing a casting choice, it's because they're an affirmative action hire - an actor who was hired purely for their identity rather than their talent. There are cases of identity hires in Hollywood movies, and you'll hear criticism of them. What you will hear very little of, though, is "I'm not gonna watch the new little mermaid because she's black." Those people may exist, but they're a vocal minority in the anti-woke movement. The real issue is when Blue's Clues is putting the pride parade with men dressing up as women on display for young, impressionable children. The problem is when She-Hulk is a terrible lawyer and a selfish person, but is treated as a wonderful human being by the show, and all the stupid white men are strawmen of the "alt-right," lined up like bowling pins for She-Hulk to knock down. The problem is that the moral of these stories are inherently corrupted by middle managers with woke agendas.
You do realize that "Hiring based on identity" happened to white actors too, right? A lot of the time they got cast because of Studio politics or they had insider connections, or good old fashioned bribery/family networks.
The whole reason things like Affirmative Action were created was to counteract the old system and its unfairness.
@Schlock Jocks "happened"? A lot of things "happened," I'm sure. But does racist hiring happen today? Only if you're white. We decided to counter unfairness with more unfairness, and it's gotten us where we are today. We need to focus on solving TODAY's problems, not those of decades ago.
@@pls1861 Yes, it does happen today. White Actors still using their Insider Connections to get gigs. That rotten system never ended, and once a counteracting process was begun those people who benefited from the old system complain about "Affirmative Action" ruining things.
@@ShadowSonic2 "using connections" isn't a racist thing...the two aren't even correlated. Everyone has connections. Some people get the benefit of nepotism, like Tom Hank's kids or Will Smiths kids. Everyone has benefitted from their connections since the beginning of time. I don't understand why we're debating this in a conversation about affirmative action, a policy that says people deserve to be hired based off their skin color alone.
You're basically exactly who Pillar of Garbage is calling out here. The problem is absolutely not "diversity hires," and I've never once seen anyone using this line present any evidence this is even happening or is in any way a cause for bad art. The problem is corporate pandering, using tokenism and shallow representation with their typical middling-to-bad writing of films as products first and art second; the problem is profit motives for projects with ballooning budgets, poor management, and bad hiring decisions on multiple levels that have no relation to diversity. Homogeneous "good-old days" products have the same problems, with Generic-Action-Man leads and shoddy writing, but those are not called out nearly as often and certainly not with the same fervor.
And, again, the "wokeness" isn't why any of these things are bad, it's not even usually the actors or purported or perceived cast and crew diversity. It's corporatization of art. Executives who want generic, palatable, cookie-cutter products and growing profits. It's the wheels of Capitalism turning, and there's a whole population to grift with bad media beyond white dudes. The representation, the vast vast majority of the time, has nothing to do with it. Misandry is there rarely, but bigotry or grievance of any kind just makes for bad art. It's not an "agenda," it's either cynically targeting disaffected women in a patriarchal society, or made by women who have had a lifetime of negative experiences with men in power in the entertainment industry.
I forgot to mention, saying "The real issue is when Blue's Clues is putting the pride parade with men dressing up as women on display for young, impressionable children" is a gigantic self-report. Big "I'm not Homophobic BUT" energy.
I'm sure you've been receiving a lot of backlash for this video (which is ironically from the anti-woke crowd) but I'd just like to say that you broke down this idea of "wokeness" in such an eloquent yet humorous way. You deserve a like and subscribe from me! Great video and I hope that you don't stop making "controversial" videos like this one.
Thank you :)
I remember when I saw Gertrude in the Runaways comic for the first time. Seeing a plus size Jewish comic book hero didn’t absolutely rock my world but I felt seen by this character in a way I never had before. It felt good. Seeing a compelling character like me made me feel a little bit more like I wasn’t just an afterthought to the people in the writers room.
Why wouldn’t you want more people to enjoy that feeling? How is hoarding it for your demographic alone anything less than ghoulish?
I cried when I realised Krem in Dragon Age was a trans man. Never in a million years had I expected to find someone like me in a triple A. How starved of representation so many of us are, that so little means so much to us. But even basic acknowledgment that we exist is too much for the people you correctly called ghoulish.
GERT YORKES IS FUCKING AMAZING THE RUNAWAYS ARE FUCKING AMAZING
making a femboy army would be pretty dope tho ngl
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Aka The Emperor’s Children Legion of Space Marines
Well, the problem for me is not wokeism at all. The problem I have is that movies are not fun anymore. Plots nowadays barely makes sense.
You should check stuff outside of the Studio bubble. 2022 was a great year for movies but most people didn't noticed because The big four studios devoured all their attention.
Thoroughly enjoying your videos. I also love seeing when YT shows me people who stopped watching anti-woke creators because of their hippocracy and bs.
I heard someone saying that ant man 3 has communist themes because the ants were socialists never mind that socialism and communism are 2 different things and that line was very brief also socialism is a peaceful way for worker support while communism is a violent response
Gotta admit. Your title got me. Glad I listened to it fully.
Great video,
But RIP to this comment section. We all know anti-fan have nothing else to do.
You made me subscribe and unsubscribe in less than one hour. I don’t think it’s some conspiracy that woke ideology is being pushed, it’s really just individuals that infuse their art with their personal values and sometimes they’re a little bit woke. Like She-hulk show runners definitely had some woke stuff in the show. I think completely dismissing the idea that this stuff exists is just as folly as stating it’s performing some take over.
You are unable to define "woke".
@@Peasham Woke is essentially emphasizing identity politics. I don’t even think it’s a bad thing. Sometimes though it can be a little cringe.
For example, when She-Hulk was instantly able to control being a Hulk just because she’s a woman, it was super woke and cringy.
@@Aureilius2112 Wait, isn't it the narrative of the right that women and men are inherently different and good at different things? Doesn't the aforementioned She-Hulk example affirm that worldview then?
@@maxgrozema1093 first I’m not on the right. Second, yeah it would be, however I highly highly doubt the right thinks women are better at controlling emotions. It’s clearly a feminist perspective, let’s not kid ourselves. Purposely misunderstanding the other side doesn’t do any good in trying to figure out why people disconnected from that show.
@@Aureilius2112 my mistake, I was joking about right wing worldviews, not trying to say you were.
I don’t think that JP is alt. Right, I’d say he is Lib right tbh
He popularized the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory, which was literally a buzzword used by Nazis.
If I don't like the politics of a movie or the like I just ignore it or at most mock it to my friends. The only time I get angry is when the viewer is attacked by the real people involved in making the art. For instance just taking the MCU I hated Captain Marvel but would have just viewed it as a bad Marvel movie like Thor 2 but then Brie insulted viewers. On the other hand I didn't like the new Star Wars trilogy but don't view it as Woke for two reasons 1 Star Wars was always left leaning and 2 the writing is so bad it can't communicate any message. Also I loved Ms. Marvel aside from the time travel episode but I understand why it couldn't be 100% accurate since it was a single half-hour episode and the Indian religious conflict is too complex for a mainstream D+ Superhero teen drama. As for Wakanda Forever my problem is them ignoring what I understand to be Chadwick Boseman's wishes to be recast. I actually think the race changing of Namor makes sense. I didn't mind the race changing of Ned etc the only race change the MCU did that I don't like was the Ancient One and that's because they changed a Tibetan to a White person so they could work with a totalitarian government to have their movie screened. Finally for me the opposite of forced diversity is simple; is X group explained in this location by text or subtext? If so it's not forced. If a white guy shows up in the Congo in the third century it's forced. Just as an example. In fact I would have left Everett Ross out of the first Black Panther film if I was involved because that was a uniquely Black story about African geopolitics and having a token white guy cheapens it. Now I am a white Anglo Saxon Protestant Conservative; so me and Mr Garbage probably disagrees on a lot of things but I think he's spot on when he says Woke has lost all power as a term for the left but I would go one further and say it's lost all value to the right too. It's a nebulous term that refuses to engage with any reality of the art.
Brie Larson never even said anything insulting, the Sensationalist Media just warped her words. As usual.
As much as I disagree with this videos, you do seem to put a lot of effort and I applaud you for this video. You bring up a valid point in that with a lot of online reactionaries do tend to blame an elite cabal that run the world. I would say your point of wokeness and Cultural Marxism are just blatantly wrong. There is a video by ShortFatOtaku who goes in depth on this issue: th-cam.com/video/MYpLKPJADms/w-d-xo.html
Not going to watch an hour-long video, but feel free to summarise it & tell me why I’m wrong yourself
From a glance at the video I see it’s about Gramsci, the Frankfurt School, and all that - but if the ‘gotcha’ is an attempt to equate the critical theory that’s sometimes been referred to as ‘cultural Marxism’ with the more recent conspiracy theory of the same name (which is what this video discusses), I imagine it won’t be a very successful one.
@@PillarofGarbage well critical theorists are descendant from thinkers of the frankfort school, which in turn gets many of it's ideas from Gramsci. He goes into depth about the evolution. Btw the reason I used him (ShortFatOtaku) is because he read much of the material of critical theory so he does know what he is talking about.
@@ConnieFWill okay, I understand your points, I will even grant you them. The part of the video that stuck out to me was the Cultural Marxism term, yes it may not be used by critical theorists to refer to themselves (now), but as he pointed out the term did not use to be just a buzzword. The main argument I see being used is that racists use that term; therefore the term is bad. Also you seem to have cherry picked from the queer theory parts of the video, not the actual meat and potatoes of the video. Also I don't think he has a distaste queer people (probably leftists though).
@@ConnieFWillImma level with you you should've just pointed out that "cultural Marxism" is a Nazi conspiracy theory and called it a day
I'm not really to poltical or nothing like that I always thought and belived that the " woke" was when something bad is being forced by agendas that dont normally go with the charther or aren't normally sinonoimus with the character.
For example a charther I like personally Mar-vell the past lover of Carol was turned into a rude, forgetable charther and not to mention turned him into an OLD woman. That bothers me so much because not only does he not have a bigger role in the story which inspire's Carol in the story but he is redculed to a garbage character that barely anybody remembered.
But thats one small example of what woke means to me. Taking away from an already esablish charthers lore and turning them into a women when being a male is an actual part of his charther.
But if Marvel said that MCU was an else world story and not a one to one adaption like they've been pushing for then I don't think I would mond so much because if they were just doing there own thing then they can take different liberties.
Also i think a big reason why people may have gotten offened about Black oanther was when they referred to that white agent guy as a " Coloniezer " or another " white broke boy " that may have offened or even seem cringe ( I knkw my friends cringed when seeing that scence in Black panther 2 well except for one he laughed ) but yeah I think theres a little more than just if a person is a woman or a certain race why others may get mad i mean sure that may be the case for some but it can't be like that for all of them.
But hey thats just my opinion, feel free to comment what you think below I think seeing what other people have to say will be intersting.
9:04 in that same episode Zatara literally invokes Jesus christ to beat up Dr fate what part of that is anything but awesome!?
I love you for making this video. Ive been annoyed by the woke obsessed marvel haters and you expressed my feelings in a much more eloquent way than i ever could
The reason we have so many crappy movies today is the same as why we had so many crappy movies in the past: bad writing and/or direction. Sure, some small fraction of those may be due to a writer or director trying to push a message, but that's always been true, even before we had "woke culture".
The problem isn't that they push a social message, its that they think doing so will get them a pass for not writing a good story. When criticized for the bad story, they hide behind the social message and claim whoever doesn't like it must be sexist/racist/whatever. Sometimes, as we saw with She-Hulk, they even do this before the audience sees their work.
@@monkeytime9851 I'd say that was still true in the past, it was just less obvious because we didn't have frictionless social media pipelines, so people weren't just chucking out their poorly considered replies to be retweeted by millions of people engaging in their own internet slap fights.
@@monkeytime9851 The problem with this criticism is ignoring the swaths of people who WERE simply implying the presence of a woman as being some prerequisite for a poorly written show. Of course if people are bitching about how your new show is "woke propaganda" before it has even fucking aired based on nothing but teaser clips and bottled up aggression you're going to assume some of that criticism is not coming from a genuine place and is instead just bigoted whining from dumbfucks online. And you would be right in that assumption. Maybe if the banshees didn't start screeching before the damn thing was even made public the creators wouldn't have had reasonable ammunition to call out the dogshit "critique" they were receiving before, as you put it, the audience even sees their work.
I think Disney's DEI fundamentalism is proving you wrong. Sure, they're making badly written movies, but woke culture is at the center of the problem.
I mean, that’s so vague. Believe it or not, everyone’s measuring stick of quality goes up to differing lengths. No accounting for taste as all.
I really wish "woke" never got into the zeitgeist. It went from just being socially aware to a joke in the black community to mock hoteps, to bein an argument along with callin someone an "sjw"
Watching this over a year later and it has remained a tool for the alt right as described in the video. But to anyone who was actually woke to the original meaning, using it ironically on the "anti-woke" crowd is objectively funnier. Same goes for "snowflake", when the people being outraged are the racists
The angriest people about "wokeness" are also the people that know the least about the subject. It might be a correlation.
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Informed people are more difficult to manipulate.
They’ll also be like “wokes are so sensitive” and then throw a hissy-fit when they see a woman in a fictional story
People that use word woke as something negative are the same people that say that woke culture is trigger culture, theyre also the same people that start crying when Sarah gets race swapped in tlou hbo series 🤣
Yes, Im ready to be killed now by this dogsh*t community
@@Smoked_out_skeletonsI'll take you up on that. Let me clarify though, when you say you're a constitutionalist, you are refering to the stance that a government derives its authority from and is limited by a body of law? Also, what bearing does being a solider have on the discussion put forth?
Imagine what the angry anti-woke will do after learning the animated Justice League show deliberately swapped Hal Jordan and Aquaman for John Stewart and Hawkgirl for diversity reasons. That technically makes the DCAU super woke.
their brains will simply melt
@@PillarofGarbage And they can't say DCEU is dead because of "woke". There were barely any diverse characters so why didn't they support their own anti-woke Justice League movie? In fact the best scenes were the ones with minorities' storylines fleshed out in the Snyder version. I'm hearing we might get Vixen in the new DC lineup. I hope she is one of Waller's agents - everyone has betrayed her and she needs a super weapon.
@@suzygirl1843 I mean technically no. Aquaman was played by a Samoan/Native American actor, Wonder Woman by a Middle Eastern Israeli, and Dwayne Johnson… definitely ain’t white.
Bruce Timm has even said they got flack for using John over Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner. This crap isn't even new. The only difference is people monetizing rage over women, minorities and LGBT people in media.
@@benwasserman8223 Yeah the DCEU was "woke" before Marvel ever was. Suicide Squad alone is more racially diverse than most MCU movies.
Speaking of which, we've almost had an annual moment in 2019 & 2020 where Captain Marvel & Birds of Prey were competed against Alita & Sonic respectively by the anti-woke mob. Which is weirdly fascinating considering both Alita & Sonic doubles down hard on being pro-immigration, especially when Dr Robotnik often slurred Sonic as an "alien".
I mean.
Nah the Sonic movies are very right-wing. One of the main characters is a cop and all of Sonic's trademark anti-capitalism and ecoterrorism have been completely and deliberately scrubbed away. You're right about Alita though.
Did you just say alien is a slur? You're proving the non-woke resistance right lol. Go back to your soy.
@@celeryjelly1231 Slurring someone with a regular term isn't exactly rate my guy
Joker was a billion dollar success while birds of prey fell face first. Money never lies. Remember that
@@iambatman.5894 Damn how well did Endgame do
The infuriating thing about Alt-Right trolls is that they only label things as “woke” when they perceive it as bad. If it’s an undeniably great piece of art, they either ignore it, ignore the politics of it entirely or try to fit it into the very framework that it goes against. Of the top of my head: Mad Max Fury Road, Snowpiercer, Justice League Gods & Monsters, the Suicide Squad, 90% the Avengers movies, Avatar, Andor all have lefty subtext (or even straight up text) that is ignored by them because “why are you trying to bring politics into this cool storrry!”
When free speech is a thing of the past, its people like you that are the problem.
i thought they hated suicide squad and the avengers movies
Copium is all they have. It's their only culture.
I was watching JL:Gods and Monster yesterday, it's an alternate reality where Superman was raised as a Mexican immigrant. And he was a badass, a little antihero and cynical at times, but pretty good.
Gods and Monsters in general is just pretty interesting.
It's kinda interesting, the idea that superman's moral principals are kinda result of a position of privilege.
Although of SM is absolutely working class he never had to go hungry.
@@an8strengthkobold360 And never had to worry that the cops or government would unfairly persecute him because of his skin color.
I mean, cannon superman may as well be. immigrant baby that was dropped on American soil by alien parents, worked on a farm from a young life for white people, white girlfriend whose dad hates him for being an alien, speaks Spanish (and every other language), uses a fake identity to work in the country, need i say more?
Gods and monsters was really good. Wish we could have seen more from that elseworld.
11:52 “The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”” Umberto Eco: A Practical List for Identifying Fascists
Quoting a nutjob conspiracy theorist on a video about criticizing the right as conspiracy theorists.
Hilarious example of left wing cognitive dissonance.
Seriously thank you for doing this! I’m so tired of “Woke” being used as an argument. Especially since it distracts from the real issues in the industry.
It pushing way too much political agendas and putting representation before quality?
I’ve been using “woke” to exclusively describe when representation is used as a disingenuous means of putting people like me (non-white) on the screen for the views/cash. Representation matters as a means of reflecting what is true of the culture at large, but when it’s done for profit and profit alone, I have an issue and won’t refrain from using the term in those situations. Perhaps another evolution of the term is in order.
@@EduardoOlidenJr Personally, I'd call what you are describing as exploitative behavior by production companies. The issue with the term "woke" is that it generally is used to refer to anything, which a person might feel is too progressive or just makes them feel uncomfortable. It is really non-descriptive. Instead of people having to formulate well-thought out arguments (like yours) for what they feel is wrong, they just use "woke".
In discussions, I've found it impossible to have a constructive conversation with people who use the term. On the other hand, hard-core conservatives, who roll their eyes at the term, have been great and respectful at bringing their point across and been open to discussions about different points of views. That being said - that's just my experience and does not mean this is representative of the experience other people might have had.
@@EduardoOlidenJr there on honestly better words for what your describing.
@@mejuliie I agree
I saw a channel that called some video games trailers with black female characters woke just because the characters were black or female or both. Like their only criticism of the games trailer was that the game is woke because tbey have a black female character
Pretty much the extent of the mindset.
Another great video.
I miss when "woke" as a criticism was used to point out superficial gestures towards progressive politics while those making the gestures are actually quite indifferent or even hostile towards any kind of progressivism. Ironically, a lot of things criticised as being part of the "woke agenda" actually belong to the former category of commodifying progressive politics. Brief, easily removable non-heteronormative moments are the most obvious of these. In some cases, it feels like media that would otherwise be ignored deliberately adds "ambiguous wokeness" to get backlash from reactionaries, which in turn effectively forces anti-reactionaries to support said media. Wokeness as an agenda doesn't exist, but it certainly does seem to exist as a cynical marketing strategy for the rich old white men who care nothing for the actual issues they profit off vaguely gesturing towards.
Realizing this several years ago when the "anti-woke" movement really started gearing up is what catalyzed my shift from Liberal to Socialist. It finally clicked that I agreed with some of their critiques, but they were misidentifying the causes egregiously. By entirely missing the root of the problem (profit incentives for "art" and corporate pandering) they would never contribute to a solution or be satisfied. That, and there was an increasing reliance on "wokeness" for all the problems of mediocre media when it was the core plot or character writing at issue. Just typical reactionary scapegoating.
Part of the problem (besides mediocre media) is that those who are behind the scenes are still white heteronormative cis men who know how to check off the appropriate boxes. It’s cynical at best and meant to undermine any attempt at making “the other” human, which is supposed to be the point of art (commercial or otherwise).
Regarding film and television particularly (though not exclusively) the people making the product are still overwhelmingly white male and straight. And though not great for humanity, it would seem less egregious if they actually knew and understood people who are nothing like them.
The status quo continues to support segregation and white supremacy.
Exactly. Friggin. This.
C'mon we have a gay porn scene in the last of us.
"Rainbow capitalism"
People are acting like 80s coming of age movies or films like Top Gun or Footloose didn't have ideology whatsoever. Part of the definition of culture is that it involves an specific vision of the world, and such vision is canalized through pretty much everything.
Movies have been left wing crap since the 1950s.
The most important aspect of these kinds of moral panic is that the threat never goes away. If producers start casting more “traditionally” and sideline POC, women, and LGBTQ+ characters, the people who fear “wokeness” will either move on to another target (“Have you noticed how many characters are left handed?”) or view the change as evidence that the plot is even more insidious than before. “They’re going underground! Where will they strike next?”
First they came for the right-handed and we said nothing.
We need to start more campaigns about drinking water and going outside to breath fresh air and talking a lot about how breathing is so very important, at first I bet they’ll get condescending, but eventually have to take the opposing view of not drinking water and not breathing just for their contrarian nature to remain intact
Yeah if fascism is your thing then you have to constantly on the lookout for “the enemies within”.
@@BlackDoveNYCbeing a fascist feels like it would be a hellish existence. Afraid and angry at everything you don’t or are unwilling to understand
It's because right-wingers have nothing else.
Left-wing cultural values are often in superhero movies because the ideologies that are opposed to leftism often think suffering is actually a good thing. Heroes in movies want the world to get better, not worse. Do the math.
Wait until these people find out that Captain America's first comic has him punching Hitler in the face.
You’re very naive if you assume that leftist ideologies don’t derive in any suffering or that opposing those ideologies means that you’re inherently pro suffering
@@jordanread5829 - I can see the headline now: "Captain America pushes politics down our throats" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ajitadonismanilal9105 wrong
@@ajitadonismanilal9105 There are not really that much conservative Writers in Comics. It started with Superman. His first comics would get certain people quite mad. And there is a lot more like that. Read the first Secret Empire Story from Captain America for another example.
Sometimes you can really tell when one of these anti-Woke types say "woke" with a hard R
Indeed.
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As a brown asian (Filipino) I could not care less about seeing my kind on screen. I dont go to the movies and sulk about not having enough representation because I care more about being entertained. In fact I much prefer Hollywood entertainment vs Philippine cinema because our product is just hot basura. If I wanted to see my face on screen Id go back to watching awful Filipino movies.
@@stomachegg041 Am a Filipino too , kinda cringe you have to specify brown, just say Asian. Not doing so is you being part of the 'problem'
@@jeromealday614 I dont know if you noticed but our culture is quite different from light skinned east Asians. We are not what Crazy Rich Asians represented.
I hear Kevin Fiege will burn your 90's comics and force you too watch She Hulk on loop Clockwork Orange style. That was sarcasm I know the internet is scared of big words.
It always strikes me when you see B roll of the talking heads who are on one about "wokeness" again, and 99% of them are white dudes, often with beards, sitting in rooms full of nerd-coded merch. Like, it just really shows who they think art and the world is "for." As if the women, LGBTQ folks, POC, etc., should be thanking them just for being allowed to have a turn on the Xbox at all, when Mom makes them, of course.
The notion that the world could be about anything other than them and their fantasies is just terrifying to them.
As if it's only white guys that care about this. Jeez. Eric July exists. Sydney Watson exists. That Star Wars Girl exists. Just because the majority of talking heads are white, doesn't mean their audience and those that agree with them are.
Left wing propaganda is a problem. The message. The moral standing. The social commentary NEVER makes up for a good story or a good character. It's just as annoying as the Christian films. It's a poor excuse for shitty writing.
@@blueNyellow You must have hated "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner?"
@@ShadowSonic2 if I was born in that time period, who knows, but considering racism was an actual problem back then... I doubt I would have felt like it was unnecessary. Now however, if they made a film like that today, like Get Out, I probably would have a problem with it. Thing is, I enjoyed Get Out. I've said this many times by now, if the film is good, the message doesn't detract from it. Get Out is a good movie with decent writing, great acting, great direction, and pretty good cinematography. Now, if the movie was poorly written, had unremarkable acting, bland direction and cinematography, like a Marvel film, then the message would be polish on a turd. And that's for the people who agree with the message, if they don't, and the message is blatant and hateful, why would anyone enjoy the film? There is nothing phase 4 and now phase 5 has to offer that previous phases haven't done better. There is nothing in Marvel that is woke that indie arthouse films haven't done better.
Please try actually watching these "talking heads" and assessing their arguments based on their own merits, not their skin color. Don't form judgements while sitting comfortably in your own echo chamber. Lord knows I am not the target audience for POG, but I am over here trying to figure out how people on this side think and if anyone can persuade me with valid arguments. So far nobody has, but I am open to hearing you out and letting you take your best shot.
I did not enjoy this video, which stopped just short of calling me a n@zi (I am Jewish, btw) for having an opinion outside of this particular bubble, but I gave it its due. I ask that you check out Critical Drinker, or Nerdrotic, or Eric July (a black dude) and hear them out before you decide whether or not you agree with them. Don't just take POG's word for it and hop on the hate train without receipts. And don't forget, POG is building his brand reacting to these people - it's profitable for him to keep the hate and misinformation flowing.
Back to your comment about "99% of them are white dudes, often with beards". You are outright dismissing their criticisms based on their skin color, you know that right? It sounds an awful lot like....what's that word....? Begins with R and ends with ism.
Inconvenient fact, however, is that there are often women and people of color who participate in these discussions or comment approval on these videos.
What's your problem with beards?
@@bryanfine986 exactly. They love black people when they're liberal, but when they're conservative they're Uncle Toms and White Supremacist traitors to their own race. They love women when they're 3rd wave feminist, but when they say that biological men can't be women, they're terfs and deserve to be canceled. I don't understand how you can claim to be for all women or all black people or all gay people when there are many women, black people, and gay people that think progressive ideology is damaging to society.
Also, the communities that preach inclusivity and acceptance are really horrible at allowing people to have differing opinions from their own.
I think they hate beards because they can't grow one.
I've lately been asking people who use woke pejoratively to actually define woke and most can't even answer it.
I would define it as anti-white propaganda.
For example, POCs can hang out exclusively with their own but when white people do it they are shamed for having a "lack of diversity" in their group of friends. Or when Italy won the Euros, there were voices that were critizicing their association for being racist because thery had no black player in the squad. On the other hand, woke morons wouldn't dare to call out the French XI in the final consisting almost exclusively of black players because apparently "representation" is only important and good when the ratio in favor of non-whites.
@@markusk9080 and your definition would be wrong. Thanks for trying. But you can always educate yourself and better yourself as a person. Also the fans of those soccer teams all chant racist shit at the team members and compare them to apes. So fuck those people too.
@@Attivian I do educate myself but not in a way you pathetic woke clowns would approve of. I still have balls, that's that's probably why we think so different.
I'm actually proud of my culture and heritage, so it's a source of pride and joy rather than of shame and embarassment like for you losers.
Btw. stop talking about things you don't know anything about. You just proved that you have zero knowledge about football.
I'm really curious to see what you have to say about "woke shows" that unti-woke critics aclaimed to be good: like Arcane and Into the spiderverse.
Even though it has the "agenda" and representation, most people love these show
Arcane hides its gays and they know they'll be eaten alive if the criticized spiderverse.
Imo it's just an unwillingness to call popular things woke, because their fans would get mad.
Imagine acknowledging people different from you existing. Jesus. Some people just need to go outside and meet people, then they'll see how underrepresented they actually are, instead of overrepresented in media.
Are you seriously trying to argue that white men are overrepresented in today's media? Are you taking the piss?
You could easily grift to the right if you wanted to. So glad that's not you. Having someone who can sound like one of them, to debunk them is exactly what we need.
Keep up the good work.
As much as Pillar criticizing the anti-woke movement he does the exact same thing, but just in the opposite direction. He just also made up a boogeyman and paint them just as cartoonishly evil in his head. He maybe thinks that his video sound so intellectual and such. But he is also just pulling the audience's strings with the right words and phrases: "young white men", "far-right", "fascist", "bigots", "hating women or minorities", "gateway", "cultural marxism is a dog whistle", "alt-right pipeline" and so on.
@@tamaspapp225 if that’s the angle you want to go with sure, but context is key. Plus he actually sources his points.
@@tamaspapp225 - Of course they are evil. Take one look at the thumbnails these grifters create & tell me these are good people? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
They bully, they harass, they attack everything & everybody. They create hit pieces, & smear campaigns every single day. They only care about producing as much negativity, outrage, drama, hate & malice. All done with such incredibly petty, immature, juvenile & disrespectful behaviour.
The irony of these channels is that are identical to the "SJWs" they complain about, just from a right wing perspective. Hence why some are calling them what they are "Conservative Justice Warriors". They even have their own Cancel Culture slogan "Get Woke, Go Broke" when they want to cancel people or things that dont share their same politics.
Every day they gaslight, dog whistle, fear monger about the "WoOk" boogeyman we need to fear. They rile up the audience with Right Wing Rhetoric & buzzwords like "Woke, SJ Double Yas, Groomers, Feminist, Identity Politics, Agendas" in order to push their Conservative, Social, & Political Agendas down peoples throats every single day.
So now ever person, celebrity, artist, film, story, character, scene, dialogue, every trivial detail, has to align 100% with all Conservative, Religious, Social & Political Agendas, or be vilified & hated as "Woke". Everything that doesnt share their ideologies will be publicly shamed, pushed to be hated, & labeled "Woke". These people are a bunch of Right Wing Social & Political Extremists who just want everything to pander to Conservatives values, or it shouldnt be allowed to exist.
They are all disingenuous people, pathological liars, & will create any hyperbolic & ridiculous narrative to further their own Agenda. They have become a bunch of raging psychopaths & narcissists that contribute nothing positive, or of any real value what so ever. They encourage bad behaviour & do not seem to care how much damage they are doing to our youth that consumes the absolute drivel that comes from these cesspools. I cant even let my kids near TH-cam anymore because lunatics have infected everything Marvel or Stars Wars right now & i dont want them picking up any of the immature & toxic behaviour coming from these channels.
Couldn't agree more
@@mizushogun What's the context on actors getting fired for having a different opinion? Where's the context for that girl getting fired from limited run games for a tweet she liked? He's obviously not giving enough context with all that's happening.
If Avater the last Airbender came out today, then every anti-woke-tuber would have called it woke garbage, based on the first episodes. Its ironic, since this show is the most beloved show in the past 2 decades. They keep the word woke as vague as possible to label every show as woke and never run out about stuff to complain about. You should upload a parody video, where you review the first season in their style to highlight how ridiculous it is.
You know how their biased videos work and it should not be a problem to find clips in the show to recreate one of their videos.
Especially toph, toph would be so called a mary sue.
Despite the fact that the diversity in Avatar the Last Airbender actually makes sense? You know, unlike a lot of the shows the people mentioned here criticize?
@@ldcg106 If a new show came out today with an episode one of the male leads acts boastful and arrogant before getting beaten up and humiliated by a group of powerful warrior women I'm more than willing to bet that people would be losing their minds about how "woke" that show is and how much the creators hate men.
@@Chario_ And if a show came out about abusive, manipulative, and entitled women getting beat up by powerful male heroes, the "woke" mob would pitch a b¡tch-fest and cry that the writers were mysoginists; they would probably do it even if powerful superheroines did it.
@@ldcg106 Those anti woke people would still find reasons to complain about it. Even if it makes sense to include different ethnic groups. You are assuming that they are reasonable .
the idiots claim that comics back in the day, in the good old days, were free from politics but that just shows how poorly they read the texts they claim to love. the problem isn't that there's suddenly politics in comics, the problem is just that they aren't the only people that comics related things are made for and they are going to throw a hissy fit about that.
They would hate War Games.
Haters: "everything's so woke these days"
MARVEL: "And now we just have to believe in love, friendship and not making ANY long lasting structural changes at all, don't listen to anyone trying to change things, because clearly anyone who tries to change anything is evil! God Bless America!"
anti-woke people will watch actual military propaganda in a superhero movie and still go like "oh no these leftists have gone too far" it's hilariously sad
Also marvel censors movies for Asian market
We need more channels like "Pillar of Garbage" !!!!!
I’m starting to think that “woke” just means anything other than white, wealthy, Christian, conservative, heterosexual, cis, neurotypical “alpha” males with a specific body type. Hell, even Covid is considered “woke” these days (or at least caring about it and/or acknowledging it.)
That's not exactly the case, though. In my opinion, wokeism is actively going against the straight white Christian male. It's everywhere in the media like commercials, TV shows, movies, etc. A T.V show example would be "The Boys". The blonde haired blue eyed straight male with the American flag as his cape is the villain. During the show, there are clear examples of them throwing jabs at Christianity. A movie example would be "The Purge". Again, another jab by showing white Christian families as evil murderers. Those were just some examples, and there are plenty more. Wokeism isn't just the fact of including all races, ethnicities, and genders, but purposefully going out of the way to trash white men, and Chrisitanity.
@@hhasslinger9601 bro are you gonna call the boys comic book woke too because Homelander is also the villain he supposed to be the realistic version of Superman, a parody even.Jesus Christ
everything in this video is so accurate and what i (and other lgbt people and especially poc) have been saying for years. thank you for speaking up, its just frustrated that every time i try to say something like this, i get shot down immediately because people see me as a woman and don't take me seriously
I'm not trying to be a smartass, but it could be because you don't have a very commanding presence. People tend to listen to people who are well articulated, doesn't talk slow, and speaks loudly but with confidence. It's harder for women because they tend not to be put in the same situations as men often do.
@@CaptHam "I don't mean to be a smartass, but it's because you're a woman"
Don't worry, you weren't a smartass, you were just an asshole.
You're so based I really enjoy your content it's nice to have a section of the superhero fandom that's not toxic and bigoted
I never knew the origin of "woke" but I do remember it's original intention as well as the change to its current terminology. As a student of history it's frightening to see millions of Americans willingly walking down a fascist path without actually realizing it.
The origin of "woke" as a slang term wasn't explained in this video either. It started out as a Black American Vernacular English (the blatantly altered grammar of saying "woke" rather than "awake" is the clue here) offshoot of the term "conscious", as in conscious and aware of the ways white supremacy - not "social injustice" in general but white supremacy specifically - permeates American society and has the black American community under siege. The term carried that context within the confines of black America for decades, until the mid-2010s, when the combined factors of the advent of social media and the increased visibility of high-profile killings of unarmed black people by the police pushed the discussions featuring this term into the forefront of the digital public, where it got absorbed into the mainstream lexicon and its definition was expanded to serve as an umbrella for all marginalized groups, and this video picks it up from that point on.
Oh they realize it. They just embrace it.
If someone complains about something being "woke", I take that as a "Tell me you're a fascist without telling me you're a fascist" moment - likewise accusations of "Cultural Marxism".
If they ever make real X-Men movies, their heads will explode, considering that X-Men was literally made as a metaphor for the Civil Rights Movement.
You do know there’s a difference between the civil rights movement and woke politics today
@@tailsprowerfan2729Yeah, the civil rights movement was explicitly, radically Marxist.
@@Peasham if it was why did they waved American flags?
@@tailsprowerfan2729 Random civil rights protesters waving American flags has absolutely nothing to do with what the movement's ideology was.
@@tailsprowerfan2729 your the kind of person would would complain that a story about 14th amendment is to woke
The Last Jedi sucks
Nerdrotic is the tutorial boss here
I watched some of his videos right before the TH-cam anti-woke movement became a thing. His videos were normal geek-culture stuff. He might have had 1k subscribers. There was nothing about his videos that made them stand out. Getting on the Woke Train made him. Without that content (which they're able to manufacture), these guys can't compete with people who actually know this stuff and can bring in unique or entertaining takes
Terdrotic.
@@1monki
If you have to be a bigot to get more attention and recognition, then it’s just not worth it.
This was absolutely the best video on this topic I have ever seen. You gave a perfect deconstruction of the term as used by the radical right, and I will reference your talking points if I ever get into an argument about this again. Whenever I have a conversation with someone who uses "woke" as an insult about entertainment, they use this frustrating pivot from just arguing against corporate pandering to insisting that minorities should be excluded from media entirely-especially if they ever once make "bad media". People who were excluded from media creation in the past are only just now getting to tell stories and make art. Some of that art is going to suck.
That’s why I often call out the BS fallacy of “go woke go broke”. It’s not like terrible media started when projects started having lead and main characters be someone other than white straight guys.
Some sucking is all right. Every single one of them , then u start to see a problem. And dont u dare deny there is an agenda. All the men are incompetent. Those who aren't most definitely will be villans. All the girls are perfect while all the men are there to just hold them down. People will tolerate that crap no longer. I will not watch anything that actively tries to belittle me.
The bit at around 12:10 brings to mind a quote from Michael Parenti in Blackshirts & Reds, not exactly the same thing but it's definitely an interesting parallel
"During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime's atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum."
It's definitely a consistent technique of the right, if everything they do is wrong then it's proof they must be evil. It'd be funny how often these people argue that they use FACTS and LOGIC to then just ignore material reality in favour of contradictory falsehoods if it wasn't so fucking terrifying how widespread it is
Do conservatives realize the term “WOKE” is literally African American vernacular English ? The term they use to criticize the “woke hive mind” literally came from the quote on quote woke hive mind. I wonder what the new term will be when they realize this if they do at all .
They know. Repurposing things is what they do.
@@creativerealms in the most cringe ways possible
@Maverick Invictus They aren't buying firearms because they have to protect themselves from society and the government, they are society and the government.
BABE, NEW PILLAR OF GARBAGE VIDEO JUST DROPPED!
I wouldn’t have given a shit about any of this “woke” stuff if they didn’t make luke skywalker a bum and Loki into slap nuts. I’m allowed to not like the new little mermaid because she doesn’t look like the cartoon come to life. Change all you want but if it’s not faithful to what’s come before then I’m just not gonna like it. The new Ben 10 show as well as the new modok are examples I have.
I can’t tell you how much I hate the word woke I feel like I hear it everyday it’s the most overused word today said by people that don’t even know what it means like I used to be a fan of Tyrone magnus but ever since 2019 to today he’s jumped on the everything is woke bandwagon so much so I got tired of it and unsubscribe to his channel thank you for making this video I hope more people see it
According to Christopher Rufo, that is intentional... they want people to be fatigued of hearing it and feel as though the word has no meaning
I was the same way about Critical Drinker & other similar channels. Too many reactionaries.
I remember when this first started… what, a decade ago?
When the more or less left wing TH-camrs who would call out the religious nuts and the like started ranting about feminism… and in no time they were on the side of the religious nuts because a woman hurt their feelings once or something equally stupid
I usually joke that if giant-sized X-Men was made today, it would be considered woke. It diversified the xmen and gave people different thoughts and ideas to be a mutant.
It's surprising to see my childhood ideas in the media. It feels like people had the same ideas. Namor is Mexican and the Adams family is brown. All we're missing is Mexican Superman (a superman raised by Mexicans instead of the Clarks. I would like him to be raised by Nahuatl-speaking Nauas to give the outsider feeling more plus you can bring colorism which I feel like it's neglected in media) by doing stories from pre-WWII golden age comics. That original superman is going to make those anti-wokeness people have panic attacks. Lol.
I read some letters Marvel got after giant-sized X-Men and the main difference would be that today certain people would try hide their racism better behind calling something "woke".
It’s funny because Superman is raised Mexicans in justice league gods and monsters
This whole woke argument is just stupid In my opinion and just makes no sense to me.
@@yarc9 the actual definition for woke is this aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice) that's what the actual word means not the what these internet idiots believe what it's.
@@yarc9 Now, it means the use surface-level values in order to appear morally superior and manipulate good causes in order to deflect well-deserved criticisms in hopes that other people don't realize the ignorance and hypocrisy of said actions
@@ldcg106 Nah I'm pretty sure it's now just a buzzword for people like you to be able to spread your right-wing agenda by saying diversity makes products worse.
I was about to click do not recommend channel until I saw it was a pillar of garbage. I can always count him to be a sensible human being and have media literacy
I don’t agree with you but it is always good to hear someone else’s opinion
Bro you are flexing your power level with this video, hell yeah
I’m gonna honest, I don’t think you and I would agree politically or morally( I’m a catholic so hope that clarifies what I mean). That being said, you have provided some interesting points regarding the term “woke” and I do agree it is truly overused by right wing support ( who I don’t support ). I will definitely be looking into your channel in contrast to some of the channels I’m use to.
Cool🎉
That one bible guy was pretty woke, what's his name?
Oh right? Jesus.
I hate Jesus because he was woke
What sucks about this anti-woke movement most is that you can’t legitimately criticize any products surrounded in these controversies. Like, take she-hulk for example. I came from it feeling that it was poorly paced, most of its jokes landing flat, and just was not written well for the source material they were basing it on (as well as it being a clear sign of marvel’s poor treating of their vfx team), or that I think Disney’s live action remakes only hurt the original films as they continue to play into the “animation is only for kids” mindset. Yet I can’t say either of these without at least a handful of people telling me I’m just part of the anti-woke agenda and my thoughts are invalid (people assume I’m anti black Ariel in the latter case). This is made worse if the company that made it hide behind this instead of addressing criticis..
Basically, it doesn’t matter what side you take in this, you don’t win
I 100% agree. It's just ridiculous the amount of people with just no nuance whatsoever.
What’s odd to me, is that someone works in fan works it ones the oddest parts … like if I have headcannon Riddler on the spectrum? Is that wokeness? Like fandom work changes eveything and nothing if wants to fit the appeal of the author
I mean,a lot of batman villains are on , i dont want to call it a disorder, but it would fit with th pattrn of batman villains, and honstly make sense with his obsession. on not sense but fit in.
@@marocat4749 oh it fully fits with them but I’m saying a lot these people think that having neodivergnt charcters is “woke”.
@@laragallahue7127 If that's the character's whole personality and expect people to sympathize just because they are on the spectrum, it would be considered "woke".
@@ldcg106 one's intentions behind doing so is also an important factor to consider
@@evancahill8950 But the excecution is the most important of them all
I am a straight white man and i realy dont have a problem with the woke stuff in the movies. Making a character gay or something like this does not make the movie bad.
Shehulk is even a critic on the woke stuff, but only if you watch past the first episode
I don't even want this to be sugar-coated anymore. The word woke used to mean something amazing. But, now it just means anything that isn't white male cishet able-bodied white collar Christian that probably is a Hitler apologist that brings up his "art". Woke = reality. These people don't want to live in the real world where not everything is flipping Anglo-Saxon. The fact that these people associate being woke as an inherent flaw easily plays into everything the Nazis and the KKK fought for believing. A belief that anything that isn't what was mentioned previously is inferior by design.
Woke = minority
shuri becoming black panther is the best thing to happen to the black panther series
I find it fascinating, in a kind of sad way, that I feel like the role of the word "woke" in conservative circles is functionally equivalent to the word "racist" or "sexist", etc., in liberal circles, as far as how it factors into arguments. I've noticed, when I mention that something is racist or homophobic or what have you, to conservatives, it's treated as if I've used a meaningless buzz word to shut down conversation. Like, "Oh, every time We want to have an opinion on something, You Guys always want to say we're being racist, etc." In their eyes, it's just a button pushed to end critical thinking. When in reality, I don't consider "This is racist," to be the end of the conversation. I think "This is racist; let's look at how it's racist, let's look at where this idea comes from, let's consider how we can avoid this in the future," is a worthwhile conversation to have.
And from my perspective, "woke" is just a button they push to end critical thinking; whenever I see them use it, it seems to come from a place of "Thing is woke, woke is bad, thing is bad." I've never once seen any depth to the ideology outside of "I've been made to see a gay relationship in a show I chose to watch, which is woke, which is bad," or "I've been made to see a diverse cast in a show I chose to watch, which is woke, which is bad." It makes me wonder if they believe there's more to it. If they think "racist" is just the "Shut up" button, is that just a symptom of the fact that "woke" is /their/ "Shut up" button, and they assume liberals are doing the same thing, or is the situation exactly symmetrical and, from their perspective, there's some amount of dimension to the concept? In my experience, no; like I said, I've only ever seen the term used in a straightforward, shallow "There is representation in this show, which is woke, which is bad." But I guess I find it interesting to think about.
If you haven't heard of it, it sounds like you're talking about a "thought terminating cliche." They are used to abruptly end discussion and signal a refusal to think any further on the matter. I definitely agree that "woke" gets used that way, and that reactionaries think "racism" or "sexism" serve that function for leftists and progressives.
@@cyclic_infinity Thank you! I think I'd heard of the concept but forgotten the term.
Hiiiii
There was a lot of Black Superheroes before the Race Swap it’s nonsense to call this representation when all it’s doing it’s claiming is they can’t make good black characters without race swap.
The thing I love about that She-Hulk twerking scene is that it is 100% what shed do in character. Ffs, she got fired for photocopying her butt in the comics. All this "woke" thing is just not knowing the source material and thinking its self inserted when its true to the source material.
I mean, as a wonderbread white dude, She Hulk wasn't really my favorite. But I'm not mad it exists, and I still found it reasonable enjoyable to watch even though it wasn't target at me.
I find it odd that you believe in neo fascists propaganda but dismiss neo Marxists propaganda as non existent.
The people you label neo fascists or accuse of spreading neo fascists propaganda are pointing at content and calling it woke neo Marxists propaganda.
Comments like this always confuse me
Asking why I believe *X* is bad/real but that *Y* isn’t
Like, because they are *different things*, lmao, there is no cognitive dissonance here
Just like it’s not hypocritical for me to believe that giraffes are real but unicorns aren’t
@PillarofGarbage OK but your discussing philosophical concepts that exists within people's minds. Your discussing beliefs.
You are choosing to believe that ideas you disagree with are real (neo fascism )
While arguing that the ideas like neo Marxism or wokeness isn't. Which is strange.
Neo Marxism is Marxism replacing proletariat vs bourgeoisie with Cis white male vs non cis poc's.
Your choosing to call horses unicorns to embolden your point while essentially doing the same thing that you accuse the neo fascists of doing.
Just like they don't know the minds of every artists and studio creating woke content you don't know the minds of every anti woke reviewer.
Your pretending that ideas you dislike either aren't real or hold no merit. Which is strange.
If neo fascism exists so does neo Marxism. You can disagree with the people claiming that woke neo Marxists content sucks.
But to deny their ideas are real and labeling neo facists doesn't make those ideas not real.
Same as someone saying that neo fascism isn't real because they disagree with you.
@@daholt85001 I’m not discussing beliefs. I’m discussing movements rooted in beliefs. Big distinction there!
@PillarofGarbage and you see no woke movement to spotlight non cis while male characters in projects that end up failing financially.
But you do see a movement of neo fascists criticizing entertainment for being woke.
You are selectively choosing what to see.
Both movements exist but you agree with one more than the other.
@@daholt85001 🤦♂️
Orwell has a great essay about political language and how easily well-meaning terms can be co-opted so they mean nothing. I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head but if one googles "Orwell language corrupts thought essay" they should find it. 10/10 would recommend
"Politics and the English Language." I make my English students read it every year, lol.
@@Dachusblot that's it! That's the one haha I had a prof like you that's why I know it
You mean words like racist, sexist, homophobic, feminist etc. Yeah you throw it out at any small and broad thing and they lose their worth and meaning pretty fast. Its interesting to see that woke has fallen under the same trap. Looks like both sides are equally throwing shit at eachother
@@Zer0ne-Infinite Hahahahaha, no
@@beardlyinteresting Actually yeah. You got destroyed by facts and logic kid. It's funny when the uno reverse card hits and the woke crowd crumbles beneath their own hypocrisy.
My problem with these type of stories is, as a Jew, they tell me, my story is not worth telling. Why is Ms. Marvel's story as a Pakistani Muslim more important to tell than Scarlet Witch's as a Jew? Why is the focus only on African Americans, Muslims, women and LGBTQ+ stories and not on any other minority? Why can I only point to Magneto as good Jewish comic adaptation, when African Americans can point to whole movies and shows?
Facts.
Scarlet Witch isn't Jewish, she's more Romani than Jewish in the comics.
And there are plenty of Jewish character stories on TV too if you look.
@@ShadowSonic2 still she is Jewish, yet they made her a product of Nazi experiments in the movie.
If you are talking about moon knight, I will admit I haven't seen it (I don't have disney+) but I have heard that the one episode about him being Jewish is easily replaceable with any other religion. If you mean any of the arrowverse, then the Jewish characters are surface level at best, meaning they say they celebrate Hanukkah instead of Xmas and that's about it.
@@levyzimand9822 I was talking about TV in general, shows like "The Calling".
Oh, so the same way Captain America was the result of Nazi Experiments (even if the Doctor ran to the US)?
@@levyzimand9822 With how obsessed the world is at appeasing the Jews you'd expect more Jewish hero based movies. I'm as surprised by the lack of Jewish representation as you are. Especially as Hollywood loves hiding behind race to divert criticism. It boggles the mind why they're not hiding behind the greatest intellectual shield since WW2.
It'd be pretty easy to call people anti semitic even if the movie was bad.
The simple fact is that entertainment used to be more ENTERTAINING... my biggest complaint of Hollywood movies and TV shows isn't that it is 'WOKE' or 'politically correct' but rather that there is no ORIGINALITY any more. Just look at what is being offered. Everything is a goddamn franchise already, Terminator 6, Scream 6, Star Wars 9, Indy 5, Marvel movie #34, D.C. Superhero movie #49, The Fast and the Furious #10 for Tyler's sake... Then on top of the endless slew of franchises there are the reboots, remakes, re-imaginings and whatever. Disney destroying itself with "live action" read CG or computer graphics remakes of ANIMATED FILMS... their bread and butter by the way. And CG NEVER LOOKS AS GOOD AS ANIMATION. I haven't seen a movie at the cinemas since Avengers Endgame... I'm bored of Hollywood and remember this guys, there are over 200 COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. Hollywood isn't the center of the film industry, it just has a lot of money and marketing $$$$$ to make you think it is. But at the end of the day, they speak for no one but Hollywood actors and celebrities.... THAT is why their films are failing. I look forward to your feedback.
*Sees a none white, none straight female character.
"Oh my God, it's woke!?"
Hearing some people complaining and crying about Riri and Cassie being tech genius, being able to create great technology, even though they have access to resources and educational material to make their inventions possible.
But they don't complain about Peter Parker being able to make his web shooters who weren't even invented yet before he met Iron Man. Tony being able to build a suit in a cave, or being able to create a NEW FREAKING ELEMENT! Like wow, I wonder what's the difference.
I'll tell you the difference. And its not because they're men. Iron Mans intellect and technological proficiency comes from his background as the son of an intelligent, technological proficient father. MCU Peter Parker obtained his from getting bit by a special spider.
Riri Williams became a genius in a garage. No real background there so I dont see why we cant question that.
Shuri, same thing. With Wakandas technology heck everyone should be a genius in modern day standard.
@@Parrot3054 Holy shit I completely forgot she was mentored by Hank...
Cassie is by far the worse one of the bunch and not because shes a woman but because who ever wrote her character is told to pander to little white girls. Thats representation for you.
Can I give you more examples?
Hank Pym, scientist.
Bruce Banner, scientist.
Reed Richards, scientist.
Nathaniel Richards, scientist.
Doctor Octopus, scientist.
Tobey Maguires Peter Parker, Doc Ock and The Lizards understudy.
Examples of women in the MCU whose legitimacy I dont question:
Janet Van Dyne, scientist.
Hope Van Dyne, daughter of TWO scientists and chairwoman of Pym Tech.
Okoye, because shes a fucking badass warrior and a general.
Valkyrie, another badass and a general.
Susan Storm, scientist.
Hela, an actual goddess.
@@stomachegg041 Yeah, it's not because they're men. Sure. It's not like Shurri didn't have an entire civilization of people with advanced resources that she could have learned from or inherited from. Tony is fine because his dad was a genius, and we didn't get to see Shurri or Riri's dad to determined their genius was inherited?? We only hear that Riri's dad was a mechanic, and inspired her to be fascinated with machines. Ironman's existence inspired her that she can do the same thing but with scraps she can utilize. Doesn't explain how Tony can forge a new element though but okay? Hahaha.
The Vulture's crew literally did the same thing and modified Alien tech with everyday machine. Riri doesn't have alien tech but it not like she'll start from scratch since you know, Tony is already there and could base her design on it.
Because a magic spiderbite means Peter would be a genius who magically knows how to build web shooters. And there's no magic spiders to bite Riri or Shurri. They need to learn, and study, adapting their idols (Riri) tech inorder to be better.
Get out of here dude. You're not even trying dude. Hahahaha.
Was mortified for the first like 30 seconds of this video.😂
I am super left-wing but I can’t deny there are woke politics being served to us in some of these shows. I’m not even saying it’s a bad thing to have some woke/progressive stuff, in fact it can be good. Let’s just not do it at the expense of the IP.
You're not left wing lmao.
"Let's not do it at the expense of the IP."
They're not mutually exclusive jfc 😑
So this guys argument is summed up as "if you think its woke, your akin to nazi's"😂 and is the definition of grifter to this guy someone who doesn't think like him?
I respect your opinion. But I think, you fall for the same trap the people, you attack fell for: You oversimplyfiing things and you see a pattern, where is none.
nah
@@PillarofGarbage Well-spoken.
Agreed. The woke and the anti-woke crowd are both extremists who just are having a shouting competition, while the rest of us don't care.
@@conorowens8382 Yes, it's a shame. You could say, we had bigger problems the last years, but these people only talk about these abstract for normal people non-existent "problems".
@@conorowens8382 Here's the question though, whose actually self identifying as 'woke'?
Even in its original usage, woke was a verb, not a noun, something you did in the face of injustice, not an entire identity.
And typically, despite being left leaning, I only see these 'woke people' in the video and commentary of anti-woke people. Which reminds me a bit of a time when my college campus had a protest over the art department closing down.
To read the local news the students were in mass rebellion . . . I had trouble even FINDING the gathering and they were far from being hostile to everyone walking by.
So it's not that they don't exist, it's that the internet provides endless opportunity to find people being stupid, endless confirmation bias, and sometimes that stupidity will be informed by their ideological beliefs.
"Femboy army" sounds nice.
"Leftist elites" is still a baffling concept, something that shows people who don't understand the meanings of either word.
why exactly? The leftists are in control of almost all institutions and therefore constitute a sizable part of the elite, especially in culture and education.
Hollywood 100% has a liberal bias, you even concede that they might be influenced by their political leanings. Comic books are changing the sexuality of long established characters like, Tim Drake, Ice Man, and Batman. Not to mention bring up a character’s sexuality even when it doesn’t matter. I don’t really care if Gandalf is attracted to toasters. Diversify is important but have it mean something. Don’t just race swap and go “now James Bond is black”, show us how him being black has changed his experiences. As someone who married an immigrant and has a bi racial child, I know just changing a white character to a person of color doesn’t tell their story. So I will continue to criticize entertainment that is “woke” when I feel that the diversity or inclusion is disingenuous or shoe horned in for no good reason.
Now notice how you haven't actually consumed any media you consider woke on the basis that it is woke, thereby making your standard of diversity having to tell the story of the diverse character and how their diversity plays into it hilarious.
@@Peasham How are you aware of my media consuming habits? You must A: be making a generalized assumption, or B: constantly watching me and taking meticulous notes. Not to mention your definition of "woke" could very well, and as I suspect, be different from mine. Shoe horning people into media when it doesn't make since is very different then just having a person of color or LBGT+ person in said media. For example having a tribe of white people in Wakanda, or having people of color in the witcher games. Geographically, or historically this doesn't make since, but if the setting was any city USA currently it totally does.
@@IronLantern89 LGBTQ+ people make sense anywhere and everywhere and there are POC in the Witcher wtf are you talking about
@@Peasham I distinctly remember article written about the lack of diversity in the witcher 3. As to point about LBGT+ people. Yes they have always existed, there are records of them from the Greeks to Indigenous people. Hower there are certain time periods, and certain places, where being something other than heterosexual was not accept and thus they hid their sexuality. But I thank you for bring up your points and allowing me to further clarify.
@@IronLantern89 And there weren't in the base game, which didn't make sense considering they exist in universe. Also... your argument was that them existing doesn't make sense sometimes, hiding it is still existing, what?
This guy gets it!
except the fact the short videos contain frequencies that hypnotize the people into changing their beliefs against their will. there's your explaination. it increases theta waves to allow for the information to get through and to change your mind. the whole reason we are against it is because we are against people being manipulated against their will.
Wokeness? Ah, yes. That's when incels cry about black people or women exist in movies.
Incels? Ah, yes. That's when baizus cry when people point out the idiosyncrasies of their pathetic ideology and do mental gymnastics to "justify" their dementia
Wouldn't surprise me if they got rejected by every woman they ever met.
Why does everyone get agenda and woke mixed up?😭😭 like there remotely not even the same🤦🏿♂️
I'm loving this. This is real text analysis. How can I make this content more visible?
Woke on the right is used similar to how the left use the word Fascist.
Nah, Fascism is pretty provable.
@@Peasham Fascism is the political philosophy of low freedom and even less equality. What part of this does this cheesecake-slandering man you're replying to not understand?
Even if this media was pushing a particular agenda or ideology...so what? I thought these right wing people loved free speech and the marketplace of ideas? Why the panic and outrage?
and they "don't care" when it's something they support.
You showed that cursed Ike Perlmutter image... now we're all gonna die in seven days.
speak up against the bigots !
He'd hace to start with a mirror
@@ldcg106 Oh, haha, you're like the inmate in prison for murder that claims you never murdered anyone, you claim the jury is guilty of murder for putting you in a cage for the rest of your life.
@@roofdogblues7400 Your level of mental gymnastics you just performed would make Kamasutra practitioners seem more stiff than a man with a crush on Medusa.
@@ldcg106 You're the one performing the gymnastics, he's the mirror standing in front of you, and you say he needs a mirror.
@@roofdogblues7400 Yeah, he's the "funhouse" mirror, he needs a regular one. You shouldn't get one, for your sake (and for the sake of the mirror).