Yup, it's funny how literally everything Daemon does goes wrong this season. He explicitly tells blackwood to hide his involvement and blackwood just ignores him. Meanwhile the Brackens explicitly refuse to bend the knee and can't be punished for it.
@@azakiki9649 Nah, I think he just broke the cocoon the eggs were in. If he broke one of the eggs, I think Silverwing wouldn't have chosen him like she did, and she would be furious instead
@@satanspizza-dq6xf Yes it would have been histerical...that's why even If I was convinced It was an egg at first I later said...ok I must have not have seen correctly.🤣
@@azakiki9649 I think the dragon reacted that way because it's first instinct was to protect its eggs, but then she saw how Ulf was terrified and was backing away from her and the eggs, and he fell into a puddle instead of stealing or damaging/destroying her eggs, and decided he wasn't a threat after all :D
Actually Larys dismissing the rumor of Seasmoke is proof for the audience that Larys might be purposely ignoring Rhaenyra’s exploits in recruiting dragonseends to sabotage Aemond. Edit: People also make great points that Larys dismisses the rumor because it is very sketchy due to its nature, “I heard it from someone who heard from someone who heard from this guy” telephone info is not the most reliable info. It also can be that whoever tells Aemond the news, is gonna be in trouble since this news would really *piss* Aemond off, the last time Aemond was given bad news that pissed him off, like what Tyland did, they got sent away, so Jaspar tries to get Larys to tell the news to Aemond order to get rid of him, because the previous episode did hint at Jaspar’s dislike of Larys, but Larys as smart as he is, recognizes what Jaspar is doing and refuses. I like to believe it was all three angles here at once, so much conveyed in one conversation, I love it.
Yeah it might also be hinted at that he's intentionally not summoning Otto Hightower and acting like he's missing to cause even more instability. Unless if it's revealed that Larys killed him and he's just face down dead in a ditch somewhere lmao
@@SupercutsDelight Lmao. But yeah, agreed. Though, I don’t think Otto would even want return if he heard the call anyway, he seems sick of King’s Landing by this point and his previous talk with Aemond showed that Aemond could as well be as stubborn as Aegon. I feel he is putting his cards into Daeron now, who is basically a Targeryen raised like a Hightower, stalwart, not a douche, makes him more favorable and amenable for Otto.
I used to think that House Tully's fish sigil was kind of weak when you compare it to the Wolf, Stag, Lion, Falcon, Kraken, and Dragon sigils of the other Great Houses. It made sense in this episode when you realize that House Tully knows how to swim the waters of Riverland politics.
The trout is a pretty badass fish, it can swim up rivers like salmon back to where they were born to lay their eggs, which is very fitting for house Tully that symbolizes serving your family and doing your duty even when it is most dangerous.
@@MadsThorlundyou guys are really sad, u need to just enjoy the show or just not watch bc we can’t do anything about the writing, which isn’t even that bad. You guys just want to complain about something
@@MadsThorlund you know the cool thing is that you don’t have to watch it. I’m glad some people are pissed at this season for being “boring” or “cringe” so we can weed out all the dum dums.
I had the feeling that Oscar's competency to get the respect of the riverlords showed Daemond a taste of what being king implies : politics, justice, negotiations etc. he behaved like a brutal tyrant and achieved nothing by doing so.
Yeah he just liked the glory, and not the responsibility and the dirty work of actually being a king. So satisfying too see that it was a mere kid that reminded him of that 😂 respect should be earned
i think the fact he killed Blackwood is also really symbolic. the fact that he has to kill the only person who was seemingly willing to acknowledge Daemon as king in his own right sort of represents him finally putting to bed the idea of crowning himself and ruling on his own and instead commiting him to Rhaenyra
And because of that fact, he has quite a bit of self-hatred. Rhaenyra’s choices in the parentage of her sons consequently means that they must live with them. She really screwed them over in that sense, but people don’t acknowledge it publicly given Jace is a dragon rider and heir to the throne. But with the recruitment of Targaryen bastards to assume the positions of dragon riders, Jace’s ascension to the Iron Throne can and will be contested. Rhaenyra is setting the precedent for placing illegitimate kin into positions of great power without thoroughly considering the consequences. People who have never known such might, smallfolk especially, will be greatly reluctant to relinquish it.
@@InfiniteAndMortal Those are interesting elements that I don't think the fandom has entirely put together. Rhaenyra is putting bastards on dragons. The Greens are parading dragon heads through the streets of King's landing. If the Targaryen's are closer to gods, they're doing everything to strip themselves of the sacred character of their house. And you're right. It's certainly short sighted to not consider the danger in giving illegitimate Targaryen's their own nukes, after having cast them away for so long. Rhaenyra's essentially arming another faction of potential enemies.
Silverwing flying to King’s landing wasn’t an accident. They flew her out there to lure vaghar and Aemond into a trap on dragonstone. Silverwing is the smallest of the largest dragons, small enough for Vhagar to reasonably deal with on her own, but large enough to pose a severe threat to kings landing if ignored. If you notice, Vermithor and step were waiting there when Silverwing returned. Rhaenyra wanted to take out Vhagar right then and there because that would essentially end the war. But Aemond could probably tell something was off and decided against it even though Vhagar really wanted to fight. (I don’t believe Aemond saw the other dragons, I believe he just had a bad feeling and decided for once not to take the risk. Especially since Silverwing is a dragon that hasn’t had a rider since Queen Alysanne’s death and Aemond would most likely know that since he’s a history buff)
one thing that was not mentioned, it must have been cathartic for Hugh to save a young Targaryen (possible relative) when he expressed despair earlier in the episode over being unable to save his daughter.
@@sofiapaladino5172 I like it ok, but I was kind of hoping he would be a bastard of Prince Aemon, which might explain why he later thinks he has a stronger claim to be king if he were legitimized he would be ahead of Rhnaenys and Baelon's sons in the line of succession.
@@TheRibottoStudios He'd be a grandson of Jaehaerys either way, but a son of Jaehaerys's 9th born daughter has a much weaker claim than the only son of Jaehaerys's eldest son in a society that practices male preference primogeniture.
@@magister343 the order of the daughter doesn't really matter when the others started dying off. Suddenly that 9th daughter became important enough for Alysanne to want back into court but Jaehaerys refused. I get why but the way that whole thing was handled was...ehhhh.
I think it’s worth mentioning the scene where Rhaenyra tames Vermithor in the beginning of the taming scene. The acting that she displays is absolutely superb, especially with her facial expressions. It reminded me of how the younger Rhaenyra’s facial expressions were, when she got what she wanted. I thought it was an excellent start to an excellent sequence as a whole
This episode wouldn't have been as great as it is if it wasn't for the slow build up of the previous episodes. Im glad i completely ignored the ignorant reviews and stuck it out cuz i knew greatness was coming🔥
*spoilers* Ulf and Hugh defection to the Greens and Ulf trying to get the iron throne himself seems kinda wierd giving how Hugh have been painted up to be a honorable family man. And wierd for Ulf to have Iron throne aspirations
@@guest0046 I think the Blacks will refuse to give Hugh the position and title he wanted for him and his wife, which was his entire purpose for doing this, and I think the Greens will offer it to him. Ulf I think will just get paid off.
Underrated scene for me this episode was Jace's tantrum to Rhaenyra. At first, I was thinking "here we go, they're creating conflict for conflict's sake". But then when it became abundantly clear what Jace's motivation was and why he felt that way, it turned the scene around for me. He's still being irrational and petulant in a sense, but it feels real and makes sense for his character. He was always insecure about his heritage, even if he tried to hide his feelings.
The only issue I have with this is that in previous episode to this, wasn't it Jace who suggested going through the family trees to find Targaryen blood relatives? In which case, those legitimate noble Targaryen-blooded dragon-riders would be an even bigger threat to him politically, than the low-born bastards.
That's what Elinda is for. For securing pass from the cloaks. That's literally what Mysaria and her network is for. For Pete's sake people. Pay attention to the purpose of each character. The show will not feed you everything.
Bruh people are killing me saying these last few episodes haven’t been good. They’re new fans that think there needs to be death and battle every single episode as if this is the walking dead or something. Mind sets like this start leading writers to think they need to add dumb ass fights to everything to keep the audience engaged. When in reality the last few eps have done so much character development across the board and continue to lay a foundation for this war. Like daemon and the river lords had me on the edge of my seat seeing him spar with that young lord and having to execute his own man… while then seeing the pain aegon is going through as Larys starts to dig into him is setting up something crazy that I won’t spoil… then to show jace and rhaenyra having that honest conversation that if she will give any of these bastards a chance at a dragon what does it say about him and his kin who are also bastards. While then the action with vermithor was so well done but the best part was the beginning seeing how Targaryen rhaenyra is starting to act by summoning the dragon and calming him only to be like nope let him choose……
Nice tilting at a strawman of your own making. There's plenty of people out there who made content or rants about problems the show's writing has, IF you truly cared to look. Not even saying you have to agree or disagree with them but this is such a low IQ take jfc.
I think Vermithor was testing the selflessness of the seeds, since the Bronze Fury was with Old King Jaheryus the best and most selfless king who always put others before himself, what if Vermithor attacked them to see who would put other before themselves I dunno just how I like to see it.
@memomamo-x2k not really sure who you're referring to with arya but rhaenys who died in ep 4 is his grandchild and he was pretty awful to his daughters saera and daella
@@FriendlyBatDoomAt that point, there was no male preference in succession since the previous kings had only had sons. Jahaerys very willingly skipped over all of the female members of his family even though most of his sons died in revolts and battles (or illnesses). Not only that, but he also banished one of his daughters (probably Hugh’s mother) for not submitting to his authority and most likely caused the disappearance and presumed death of another one of his daughters. Jahaerys I was the epitome of sexism, though it’s disputed whether this was only in accordance with Westerosi customs as to not anger the nobility since he was notably ‘the conciliator’. Either way, he neglected his family immensely.
Lmao we definitely didn’t need any assassins. That seen was for Rhaenyra to get the trust of the small folk knowing she was sending them to the their death. That to me is actually much more unnerving.
Also, the assassin would have to be suicidal to try something at that moment when there was no way of escape. It's even possible that there _was_ an assassin or two mixed in and were waiting for their chance which never happened. - Or at least Larys might _claim_ that he had sent someone when Aemond goes ballistic how come this was allowed to happen...
See, the problem with throwing them all at Vermithor at once - it theoretically could have killed off anyone else capable of claiming a different dragon. For example, Ulf could have easily been killed before he made it to Silverwing’s roost.
I did think about that, and I came to think it was the rational thing to do. Vermithor is definitely the most important dragon that could be claimed, so they put all of their resources, bastards, towards claiming him. Say if they tried to have them claim Silverwing first, she may of killed Hugh before he got the opportunity to bond with Vermithor.
it was likely cause Vermithor was the hardest to tame. Silverwing couldve easily accepted Hugh, but that left nobody capable of claiming Vermithor, and then they're left with the same problem
It also might have been strategic, as bloody as it was. She gets one dragon rider but she also gets the story of how most bastards who try to claim a dragon, Targaryen blood or not, get burned alive. Keeps this from becoming common practice.
I don't understand why Rhaenyra ordered guards to keep the dragonrider candidates from fleeing. If they flee, they aren't fit to ride anyways, but they'd still at least have their lives.
In the books they went one by one. That being said I was really happy with the change and the scene was so amazing, especially with Hugh. That dude is gonna be an awesome character.
I see it more as Larys knows Kingslanding will be attacked and overthrown sooner than later and wants Aegon at least ready to move around and not be bedridden. You could be right though.
I dont think Ulf flying to Kings Landing was accidental. TO me felt like they were trying to bait Aemond and show that Rhaenyra now has more dragons. Her plan still is to try to avoid the killing.
So her plan was to lure Aemond to Dragonstone and…stare at him? Sorry but she clearly had no plan for Aemond and it was a accident with Silverwing taking Ulf to King’s Landing, probably the most common flight route for any dragon ever, Dragonstone to KL.
Lmao you read that scene way wrong bro just wanted to show folks he wasn't a liar so he did a trip around his place dwellings that's why he calls himself a dragonlord when he Flys over the city its what they chanted at the bar
@@berserk4souls Rhaenyra says more than once, to Jace, to Misaria, to the bastards in her speech that the idea is to increase the firepower of the black team to avoid more deaths, to show the greens that they wouldn't stand a chance against all of her dragons . Even though Vaghar is the most dangerous of all, she has already suffered against Meleys, facing Vermithor, SilverWing and Syrax would be suicide for Aemond.
@@berserk4souls she already mentions in an earlier scene how greens will have no choice but to surrender. She wanted to show aemond what she had. Why the hell should she be waiting with syrax and vermithor? It's clearly planned.
My wife was a professional casting director in her previous career. When Archie Barns first appeared this episode , she said, “uhh…this kid is not a good actor,” but then when the script flipped that he was in control the whole time, it was like a crazy magic trick. Fantastic.
"I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of The Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?"
Do we think he's up to something drilling those holes on the ice? ( where he is camped in the book ) He's told there is little yield but wants more holes. Perhaps to lure the army onto the ice ?
Completely agree with you, fantastic episode. I don’t know what more people want, an entire battle setpiece every episode? I’m convinced this wouldn’t bother anyone while binge watching and that some people only call season 2 boring because they have to wait 1 week for a new episode. I personally have really enjoyed pretty much every episode
I don't like this season for what they have done to Daemon and the fact that 90% of the blacks dont get character development and screen time that should belong to them is instead dedicated to Rhaenyra whining or Alicent moping or going on spiritual walks.
@@lucasbelmonte2832I kinda agree that Rhaenyra and Alicent could both have been more „fun“ as characters and were a bit whitewashed but I still think both are interesting. Complaints about Daemon I don’t really get; he was a self absorbed psycho in the first season as well but that was hidden behind his badass aura. Now this aura is slowly stripped away. That’s atleast my estimation. But anyway, I wasn’t really getting at specific criticism of the show which of course is valid but at the notion I often saw online that season 2 is boring because nothing is happening.
I want complex but consistent characters. And I want consistent rules within the setting, especially regarding dragons. And I want every scene to serve a purpose. I'm getting none of that. Rhaenyra, who has been turned into a boring, typical fantasy protagonist, is both simple and inconsistent. The rules about how dragons select riders and interact with other people change from episode to episode. And there are so, so many scenes that do virtually nothing to move the story forward, like everything that happened with Alicent in this episode. And there's a lot more bad writing than that. But if you don't care, more power to you. I'm glad you find joy in it. You're completely off base though if you think that everyone who has complaints just wants more the battles; nothing could be further from the truth. Most of us are inevitably comparing the show to the far superior writing we experienced in early GoT.
@@nunliski All in principle fair criticism although I would disagree with most of it. My original comment wasn't really aimed at people who take issue with the writing though but at people who seemingly have no attention spam and complain about the lack of battles/action. Maybe this didn't came across. If that's the case then my bad
@@nunliski Dude there are no rules about how the dragons select riders and the whole point is to show dragons have different personalities so I don't know why that bothers you. I do agree that Rhaenyra got whitewashed this season but this episode finally showed direction with the character and it does feel like a natural culmination of where she was in Episode 5. I've been disappointed with S2 but I also don't find it anywhere near as bad as some people think it is.
This. This is why this scene plays out while Larys and Iron Rod are watching Aemond personally send 2 Kingsguard to the Wall since they’re bad at their jobs. No one wants to be the one to give Aemond bad news. It’s like hot potato
I know everyone's talking about the dragon scenes, but I loved how beautifully were filmed the scenes of Alicent in the Kingswood. They were so elegant, feminine, and whimsical... They seemed out of a fairy tale book. I love how this season seems to be framing women in a better cinematography: the scenes in Jaehaerys' funeral, centred around Helaena, the shot of Alicent between columns, and now this... I love that the filming crew is giving awesome shots not only of dragons, but also about this.
@@mocha5742 Yes! I'm what I'm really excit3d about is that they are giving this treatment to female characters. It's just so against male gaze that I love it! ❤ Just not hookers and dragons.
Nobody is gonna mention how the long take of Hugh running away from the dragon is absolute amazing Is like a tribute to Children of Men or other long takes of Alfonso Cuaron
Nobody is going to mention it, because it is a completely ridiculous comparison. You are insulting a very talented director. That shot was not impressive. Any idiot can run around for a while and look okay enough when 95% of what is on screen is CGI that will be added later. And it wasn't even a long take! Nothing at all worth mentioning. I rewatched it after reading your comment, and it was clearly two separate takes punctuated by the dragon's head slamming into the ground. So you are praising a normal length shot of a guy hiding behind a rock on a set surrounded by green screen and a normal length shot of a guy standing on a set surrounded by green screen acting unafraid of a dragon that isn't there.
@@memomamo-x2kno he’s jahaerys grand son. Jahaerys daughter, Saera, is Hugh’s mother which is revealed in this episode when Hugh talks to his wife before leaving to dragon stone. Saera was a bit of a hoe and was somewhat exiled because of it. She ended up going across the narrow sea and working in a pleasure house.
If it weren't for Silverwing, my favorite scene in this episode would've been Oscar's scene; before following Daemon out to meet with the Riverlords, there's some nice subtlety in Archie's acting, realizing that Daemon was desperate for their army. And I just love that he uses that leverage to get back at Daemon for his disrespect a few episodes ago, while also working to reinforce his fealty to Rhaenyra. Right after Oscar points out how precarious Daemon's position was, and where Daemon almost loosk deated; theres a moment where Daemon looks impressed, that I honestly think was an impromptu decision from Matt Smith because of how impressed he was of Archie Barnes' performance lol. It's a nice culmination of Daemon paying for his incompetence, having to sacrifice pretty much the only ally who was loyal to him.
I noticed that. He gives the new Lord Tulley a small smile or smirk for like a tenth of a second, then he's back to looking annoyed for having to deal with his mess.
i dont understand the people getting annoyed that Daemon's character is developing. the whole point of Daemon and Rhaenyra's arcs this season is that they are both learning the hard way that their ways of extreme violence for Daemon and peace at all costs for Rhaenyra just dont work. Daemon has to learn that violence isnt always the answer, that he cant do everything on his own and that with the crown comes responsibilities and hard choices, wheras Rhaenyra's attempts for peace all fail and lead to terrible outcomes and success only comes to her when she embraces 'fire and blood' with the dragonseeds. it will be interesting to see how these two characters interact now that they've both developed in opposite directions
If Rhaenyra really only put all the dragonseeds in one room just so that they couldn't back out if they saw that others died, I find that really morally terrible and almost villainous. I hope they work that fact into her character and don't just gloss over it as something great just because she got two dragon riders out of it. I think it was a terrible plan regardless though cuz Vermithor could've easily just cooked everybody and you'd just have killed dozens of people for no reason with no dragon rider out of it.
Nah. She gave them a choice beforehand to pursue this and they knew the risks that went with it. Maybe the only thing she could’ve done differently is send one at a time at Vermithor but maybe it just doesn’t work like that and the dragon would lose interest
@@lucasbelmonte2832 certainly not, thats too much of a leap for her character. she warned them all of the risk, and that they could all very well die, and they all went with it anyway. its disheartening that so many did die, but her logic is that merely HAVING so many dragons at her disposal will force the Greens to surrender, thus ending the war without anymore bloodshed. its always been the needs of the many over the few for her
Well, when she was suing for peace people called her names and said she was weak. Now that she is starting to give in to her bad side, you criticize her. This is what she's been trying to avoid but people didn't like her efforts to make peace. She is desperate and finally becoming the cruel tyrant she will turn into. Besides, this solves Jace's issue. Less bastards to challenge him for the throne
The scene of Alicent in the water reminded me of John Everett Millais's painting 'Ophelia'. Curious about the potential symbolism behind that... Also love that, as she is growing more disillusioned with her position within the Greens, she steering away from the colour green a bit in her costuming.
That young acter that plays oscar tully is going to go far definitely a character i hope we see far more of and that hopefully does not die a grizzly death
4:44 the ghosts screaming in the background almost makes me think of all the people has either directly or indirectly murdered throughout his life, haunting him
"I'm more excited for this dialogue scene than any action in the finale" The writers having no action and practically no dialogue between Rhaenyra and Aemond in the finale:
I love Ulf's "I have no idea how I got here but I'm loving this" energy while riding Silverwing, and patting her back like he's rewarding a well behaved horse
This episode was EXCELLENT! The chaos in the Dragonpit was AMAZING! Alicent's somberness in the Kingswood was excellent as well...I love how she's starting to understand that this all is a sham for an Iron Throne. Can we also get a HELL Y EAH for Oscar Tully??? Daemon is a bish!
Episode 7 was the perfect buildup to the finale. I am so hype, we have 2 confirmed new dragon riders on Rhaenyra's side along with her Valerion niece who'll probably mount the wild dragon in the Vail. It's about to be so intense, I just wonder who'll die.
@@beckyweiss6072 He is but he's no Oscar lol. I really kind of hated the change for the funeral; I think in the book it was hinted at that he was drinking and crying? So that was why he was doing so poorly with the arrow.
@@TheRibottoStudios That would make more sense. The way he was portrayed in the show by the time Season 8 wrapped up angered me so much. And no one is like Oscar 😂 Edmure was just….noticeably more competent in the books. Just enough for there to be a visible difference between the book and the show. Not great, but better.
Its gonna be really interesting listening to the sh¡theads that were complaining all throughout the season. Cuz if it werent for those epiosdes, this one wouldnt nearly have as much impact as it does now
This season overall was pretty good in my opinion , my least favorite was episode 5 but other than that it was good. I think the people complaining were those that were micro-analyzing any small changes from the books.
@@thund3r682 They f*cked up the Blood and Cheese sequence, they butchered the Riverlands storyline, episode 3's ending was garbage, barely episode 2 & 4 were halfway good. They condensed a season into 8 episodes by removing content and adding "stylized" bullsh*t.
I never viewed Ulf riding to King’s Landing as accidental. In my opinion I’m pretty sure Rhaenyra sent him there at that’s why they were all outside posted up 😂
I think this episode is great (9/10, i liked episode 2 and 4 even more this season). What i found most interesting these last 2 episodes is what they do with Larys Strong: 1. He ist not able to manipulate Aemond. 2. I interpret his interactions with Aegon as him doing 2 thing at the same time: Larys is kind to Aegon, because he can relate to him and also because he wants to have his goodwill to rise in power when Aegon can rule again (which then would also give Larys an opportiunity to plot against Aemond if he wants to).
Larys is a master manipulator. In my opinion, he is Littlefinger x 10 and probably one of the best schemers Martin has created. He is doing all this on purpose. If they follow the books (which they don't, in a lot of things) there's going to be a lot of wtf moments.
10:51 did you see this as accidentally? In my mind it was planned, Hugh and Rhaeneyra were on their dragons at Dragonstone waiting for Aemond to arrive. I assumed it was Rhaeneyras first command to try and trick and lure Vhaegar into a 1v3 after Vhagar is still resting from Rooks Rest. I don't believe this was suppose to show Ulf accidentally riding to Kings Landing. Thats also what Aemond realizes when he approaches Dragonstone as Vhagar reacts to there being more dragons there and they retreat.
This episode had so many great moments. One of my favorite ones was when Oscar Tully denounced Daemon's nefarious behavior and demanded that Daemon mete out justice for allowing war atrocities. Vermithor casually slaughtering those people was disturbing to watch and my adrenaline was rushing super fast when Hugh claimed him, but it was easy to understand why. The contrast though between when Hugh claiming Vermithor and Ulf claiming Silverwing was interesting to see. I thought that Silverwing initially didn't want Ulf, but then i personally think that Ulf got lucky that he was chosen by a dragon that was like "i just want a rider, fuck it, any rider will do." Rhaenyra standing with three dragons at the end of the episode gave me major Daenerys vibes.
I haven’t seen anyone having any issue with this episode, everyone is largely on the same page that it was one of the best episodes of tv. A full on 10/10 episode. Anyone who says “it’s different from the book” is forgetting that GRRM said that the maester is an unreliable narrator, so we’re are seeing what ACTUALLY happened as opposed to what we were told that happened by someone in the employ of the victors. The book isn’t canon, it’s one perspective, GRRM said this show is actually going to show us how things really unfolded. This show is the best thing on tv so it’s no surprises we are getting these 5 star episodes at the end of the season
So uhm… Helaena killing herself and that being witnessed by thousands was wrong, and cathartic show mongo Helaena is mounting her dragon to support the Green‘s in killing others? Or what? Show the dragon off like Dreamfyre and Vhagar would stand a chance?
@@Eddard_Stark yes, could be wrong for sure, but also the series isn’t over yet so how do you know that she won’t jump to her death? And it hasn’t shown her mount dreamfyre yet now has it? It hasn’t shown her kill anyone. You’re making assumptions of things that haven’t even happened yet. You’re the worst kind of fan who just tries to spread hate illogically basing your argument off of what you think is going to happen. But maybe I missed the part where she got on her dragon and killed people? No, didn’t think so.
Rhaenyra is someone who walks up to DRAGONS. She's got a different relationship with fate than a lot of people do. She knows, as a dragon tamer, that walking into danger is a show of strength. Also, I think she was acutely aware of the serious danger most of those people were undoubtedly in. She felt duty bound to offer them what little trust was available. (Granted, she cowered during the Cargyl bowl, but that wasn't a fateful dragon related event, but a couple dudes with swords and she was practically naked, and she didn't have anything to prove that night.)
I don’t get how people are saying that daemon is being butchered as a character, I think that this arc brings a lot of depth to daemon and makes him question what he wants, it also shows that his way of doing things doesn’t work. I think it’s really interesting, yes a couple of the dream scenes could have been cut but most are pretty good. Maybe he is better in the book but still, I think he’s still a great character.
They made him way more cruel and vicious than he is in the books. Yes, he is a morally grey character to say the least and he's done a lot of awful things, but his behavior in this season is completely out of character. In the books he doesn't call himself king nor does he constantly try to undermine Rhaenyra, he didn't kill his first wife and he didn't ignore his daughters. They had filmed a scene with him hugging the girls after Laena's death and they cut it. Also, Condal himself more or less said that he doesn't like the appeal Daemon has to fans....so I suspect they're trying to undermine the character any way they can. One of the most fierce warriors of the realm whining like a baby and begging a witch to help him? Really? There is a line in the books, when someone says that six men will suffice to kill Daemon, another one answers "six men or sixty, he's still Daemon Targaryen". Does this seem to describe the man we saw this season??
@@kateris1976 again you keep talking about the books, he is still a vicious character, but he’s trying to rule in this season and it shows how he can’t do that, maybe they shouldn’t have changed his character from the books, but I think that this arc of him wanting the Throne makes him more interesting and it sets up a lot of development where he comes to realization that he doesn’t want it. We also will probably see this more from daemon in the future now that he has an army and can command and fight.
I honestly love the route Larys is kind of going with not telling Aemond about the dragonseeds, which I totally believe he brushed away the rumors on purpose as a fk you to Aemond 😂
Tully showing why they rule the Riverlands. Also Daemon's face of "fuck" is priceless. Also it's so funny how Vermithor went on a barbecue rampage, while Silverwing's like "oh, a new rider, sweet"
Most of this season was boring, not because of lack of dragons but lack of entertaining dialouge sequences. I see so many people trying to justify average writing as "character development". This is a game of thrones show, therefore it will be compared to the peak seasons of got (1-4) which relied not on action but characters. This episode had great dialouge and great action. Hence the positive review.
And you think Willem was the kid with big balls.... Now we have Oscar... A kid with bigger balls. Oscar really shows the great characteristics of a Tully. Honor, family and justice.
I got the impression the Ulf intentionally went to kings landing. He didnt seem to have much control but im sure hes ridden a horse so he would have some idea how it works. I imagined him basically doing it so he could fly over the bar he patrons as a "Look guys i did it!" moment.
Everything was good in this episode but there was a small mistake. like when lord jesper was able to find out that seasmoke isn't riderless anymore but the whole of teem green couldn't hear about Rhaenyra recruiting people from kings landing. For me this scene was a little illogical. Every commoner in the kingslanding knew about this without the greens finding about this. 😂😂
I took that stuff as Larys purposeful working against aemond and gaslighting iron rod into not talking about the dragon rumors in the hope it gets him killed 😭 Also, it seems to me the whole recruitment thing takes place over a single evening with to support of much of the city watch. So it's before anyone has time to even do anything about it
I find hilarious how the intro SUMMARY OF DAEMON are 3 scenes THREE SCENES talking with some relevant Riverlords and like 1 hour of dream secuences This only proves that the Daemon Arc only PROGRESS in THE LAST EPISODE AND THIS ONE, and the season (3-4 episodes) should be Daemon talking with future relevant people of the War Like we got Tully but also they forgot Alys the Black, Robb Waters or BLOODY BEN this people fought all the battles of the entire War 😂😂😂 But i Guess the sex scene with his mother is more important because . . .
havent had chills like that watching tv in years the vermithor scene with hugh is absolutely epic! had goosebumps for 5min, i felt like i could feel the dragons presence amazing!
I really don’t understand the negativity towards this season, like are you truly a fan of this universe??? Why would you want a battle every episode 💀 I’m sure Disney+ has a marvel show for you
Remember dragon fire can explode thick walls in one blast but only when it's convenient. When its not its blocked by a random rock and its heat does not radiate much further than a regular camp fire
Also episode 8 was good but lacked in any pay-off action sequences, which is a little dissapointing even though the rest of the episode was very good, i think its going to end up hurting the show because most people are now angry we have to wait 2 years to see any payoff.
Alicent agreeing to have Aegon beheaded while also giving up Aemond's plans to Rhaenyra was completely absurd and didn't make any sense at all. A slower pace is fine, but a slow pace through shitty writing is no fun for anyone.
Dude the sound department in this episode is fucking 😙👌 chefs kiss, like the dragon taming scene when the bastards were getting torn apart by the dragon the screeching just all perfect
idk how all these ppl just escaped kings landing without any problem while 2 eps ago aemond closed kings landing to everyone, so now no one cares when 20 ppl are coming to the beach and the smugglers are waiting for them
They showed Gold Cloaks working against that order. I don't think it was sloppy writing. It just shows again that Daemon managed to gain the loyalty of many men when he was the commander of gold cloaks.
The writers something put the same scenes in 3 episodes (Corlys talking with a bastard that goes to nothing, Daemon, Rhaenyra) And sometimes they do this bullshit 😂 i can believe Larys did nothing about the Dragonseeds because he is helping Aegon But Aemond doing nothing sounds DUMB like WHAT is he doing in the Castle ?😂 Making parties like his WHORE say ?
I guess the Blacks have a list of all City Watch guards still loyal to Daemon or Mysaria and call them ahead of time when snuggling needs to happen to keep others from finding out. Why Larys didn't know or is just going along with it beats me though since Aegon would be screwed either way
Oscar Tully walked up and put a pair of brass man sized nuts on the table. That scene was the best part of the episode for me. That and Hebrew Hammer Hugh yelling in Vermithor's face. GOAT shit.
10:52 I could be wrong but I think this may be a slight time skip (maybe hours or a day) And Rhaenyra was luring Aemond to trap and eliminate Vhagar or to show him that she now has more dragon riders than the greens before attacking King's Landing. Hence why she was already waiting for Aemond with her dragon riders.
No.. dragons are genuinely that fast.. her killing Vhagar or attacking King's landing would result in a fight with Aemond in both cases.. she's clearly not confident in being able to fight the greens fully in a direct attack, cause if she was she would've done it there by attacking Vhagar.. but there's another certain outcome, even if they take vhagar down.. rhaenyra would have died most likely as well and I'd wager the sea smoke would die as well.. and then she doesn't know what Daemon will do since she doesn't know if he's still on her side at that exact moment that's why she didn't make a move there
I kind of thought that Ulf flying to Kings Landing and back might have been purposeful as Rhaenyra had three dragons ready. I thought it was her trying to jump Aemond and Vhagar.
GoT: Battle of the Bastards.
HOTD: Barbeque of the Bastards.
😂🤣
YEA
GENIUS!🤣🤣🤣
I need this to become the unofficial fandom name of this episode!
Looooooooo
Rhaenyras bastards are next.
4:21 Daemon had to cut off the head of the first man to willingly call him King. He just killed that idea in that moment.
Yup, it's funny how literally everything Daemon does goes wrong this season. He explicitly tells blackwood to hide his involvement and blackwood just ignores him. Meanwhile the Brackens explicitly refuse to bend the knee and can't be punished for it.
Love that! Didn't think of I like that but in one fell swoop he dismembered Willem Blackwood and himself at the same time.
Did that happen in the books?
@rishirajbose2444 was that in the books?
OHH THATS PERCECT!!!
Vermithor: rawr only the strong and brave are worthy.
Silverwing: omg you smell like you're Alysane's grandkid, welcome to my lair.
"Get away from my eggs, get... Anyway,... Wanna go for a ride?"
@@Qbgarden Did he step on and crush an egg or it was something else? Because I could not understand well🤔
@@azakiki9649 Nah, I think he just broke the cocoon the eggs were in. If he broke one of the eggs, I think Silverwing wouldn't have chosen him like she did, and she would be furious instead
@@satanspizza-dq6xf Yes it would have been histerical...that's why even If I was convinced It was an egg at first I later said...ok I must have not have seen correctly.🤣
@@azakiki9649 I think the dragon reacted that way because it's first instinct was to protect its eggs, but then she saw how Ulf was terrified and was backing away from her and the eggs, and he fell into a puddle instead of stealing or damaging/destroying her eggs, and decided he wasn't a threat after all :D
Oscar Tully instantly became one of my favorite characters this season. Kid has balls of steel and nerves to match.
Wait for Bloody Ben
Yeah, he reminded me a lot of Robb Stark this episode!
Bros gonna get taken out by diarrhea 💀 ☠️ 💀 ☠️
@@blaubeer8039Yeah no, Richard Madden was fantastic as Robb Stark
"And In Harrenhal, they say, that Oscar Tully's balls grew three sizes that day"
Actually Larys dismissing the rumor of Seasmoke is proof for the audience that Larys might be purposely ignoring Rhaenyra’s exploits in recruiting dragonseends to sabotage Aemond.
Edit: People also make great points that Larys dismisses the rumor because it is very sketchy due to its nature, “I heard it from someone who heard from someone who heard from this guy” telephone info is not the most reliable info. It also can be that whoever tells Aemond the news, is gonna be in trouble since this news would really *piss* Aemond off, the last time Aemond was given bad news that pissed him off, like what Tyland did, they got sent away, so Jaspar tries to get Larys to tell the news to Aemond order to get rid of him, because the previous episode did hint at Jaspar’s dislike of Larys, but Larys as smart as he is, recognizes what Jaspar is doing and refuses. I like to believe it was all three angles here at once, so much conveyed in one conversation, I love it.
Yes I totally agree. I think he’s trying to undermine Aemond’s regency. He wants Aegon back in power because he’s easier to manipulate than Aemond.
Yeah it might also be hinted at that he's intentionally not summoning Otto Hightower and acting like he's missing to cause even more instability. Unless if it's revealed that Larys killed him and he's just face down dead in a ditch somewhere lmao
Larry always on the ball
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116
Chaos is a ladder
@@SupercutsDelight
Lmao. But yeah, agreed. Though, I don’t think Otto would even want return if he heard the call anyway, he seems sick of King’s Landing by this point and his previous talk with Aemond showed that Aemond could as well be as stubborn as Aegon. I feel he is putting his cards into Daeron now, who is basically a Targeryen raised like a Hightower, stalwart, not a douche, makes him more favorable and amenable for Otto.
I used to think that House Tully's fish sigil was kind of weak when you compare it to the Wolf, Stag, Lion, Falcon, Kraken, and Dragon sigils of the other Great Houses. It made sense in this episode when you realize that House Tully knows how to swim the waters of Riverland politics.
was great to see house tully bossing things for once (besides blackfish of course)
The trout is a pretty badass fish, it can swim up rivers like salmon back to where they were born to lay their eggs, which is very fitting for house Tully that symbolizes serving your family and doing your duty even when it is most dangerous.
the actor for oscar tully killed it. genuinely felt so natural to him and the character impressed me
The Oscar Tully scene was brilliant writing and acting.
nah it was cringe
It was so cringe lol
You're the reason we're stuck with bad spinoffs like this
@@MadsThorlundyou guys are really sad, u need to just enjoy the show or just not watch bc we can’t do anything about the writing, which isn’t even that bad. You guys just want to complain about something
@@MadsThorlund you know the cool thing is that you don’t have to watch it. I’m glad some people are pissed at this season for being “boring” or “cringe” so we can weed out all the dum dums.
@@MadsThorlundHow was the scene cringe ? Please enlighten
I had the feeling that Oscar's competency to get the respect of the riverlords showed Daemond a taste of what being king implies : politics, justice, negotiations etc. he behaved like a brutal tyrant and achieved nothing by doing so.
Well said
Yeah he just liked the glory, and not the responsibility and the dirty work of actually being a king. So satisfying too see that it was a mere kid that reminded him of that 😂 respect should be earned
Only secured the largest army
Daemon 👍
i think the fact he killed Blackwood is also really symbolic. the fact that he has to kill the only person who was seemingly willing to acknowledge Daemon as king in his own right sort of represents him finally putting to bed the idea of crowning himself and ruling on his own and instead commiting him to Rhaenyra
Jayce: "They're mongrels!"
My brother in the 7 you are literally a bastard
And because of that fact, he has quite a bit of self-hatred. Rhaenyra’s choices in the parentage of her sons consequently means that they must live with them. She really screwed them over in that sense, but people don’t acknowledge it publicly given Jace is a dragon rider and heir to the throne. But with the recruitment of Targaryen bastards to assume the positions of dragon riders, Jace’s ascension to the Iron Throne can and will be contested. Rhaenyra is setting the precedent for placing illegitimate kin into positions of great power without thoroughly considering the consequences. People who have never known such might, smallfolk especially, will be greatly reluctant to relinquish it.
technically yes but he is a highborn bastard, i feel like he meant this are on top of bastards, low born
@@InfiniteAndMortaljust like anyone with power really. You can't accept anything that threatens it.
I assumed he was projecting...
@@InfiniteAndMortal Those are interesting elements that I don't think the fandom has entirely put together. Rhaenyra is putting bastards on dragons. The Greens are parading dragon heads through the streets of King's landing. If the Targaryen's are closer to gods, they're doing everything to strip themselves of the sacred character of their house. And you're right. It's certainly short sighted to not consider the danger in giving illegitimate Targaryen's their own nukes, after having cast them away for so long. Rhaenyra's essentially arming another faction of potential enemies.
Silverwing flying to King’s landing wasn’t an accident.
They flew her out there to lure vaghar and Aemond into a trap on dragonstone.
Silverwing is the smallest of the largest dragons, small enough for Vhagar to reasonably deal with on her own, but large enough to pose a severe threat to kings landing if ignored.
If you notice, Vermithor and step were waiting there when Silverwing returned.
Rhaenyra wanted to take out Vhagar right then and there because that would essentially end the war.
But Aemond could probably tell something was off and decided against it even though Vhagar really wanted to fight. (I don’t believe Aemond saw the other dragons, I believe he just had a bad feeling and decided for once not to take the risk. Especially since Silverwing is a dragon that hasn’t had a rider since Queen Alysanne’s death and Aemond would most likely know that since he’s a history buff)
Thank you. I don't understand how people aren't getting this. Why else would Hugh and Rhaenyra be standing at the ready on dragonstone?
i get it but its kinda hard to understand and some kind of stupid plan since as soon as aemond sees more dragons hed flee immediately
well it was a shit trap then. Rhaenyra failed to do something right once again.
So Rhaenyra failed at something. Again,.
The bait wasn't strong enough.... rhaenyra should have gone to king's landing herself...aemond being aemond wouldn't be able to stop himself.
one thing that was not mentioned, it must have been cathartic for Hugh to save a young Targaryen (possible relative) when he expressed despair earlier in the episode over being unable to save his daughter.
He definitely saved that girl
deep
Ah, right... I was wondering why he did it.
This episode was great and i love that they added Saera Targaryen as Hugh hammer mother. It makes another layer on why he claims vermithor.
yes! absolutely poetic justice
@@sofiapaladino5172 I like it ok, but I was kind of hoping he would be a bastard of Prince Aemon, which might explain why he later thinks he has a stronger claim to be king if he were legitimized he would be ahead of Rhnaenys and Baelon's sons in the line of succession.
@@magister343 What better claim than being the GRANDSON of JAEHAERYS
@@TheRibottoStudios He'd be a grandson of Jaehaerys either way, but a son of Jaehaerys's 9th born daughter has a much weaker claim than the only son of Jaehaerys's eldest son in a society that practices male preference primogeniture.
@@magister343 the order of the daughter doesn't really matter when the others started dying off. Suddenly that 9th daughter became important enough for Alysanne to want back into court but Jaehaerys refused. I get why but the way that whole thing was handled was...ehhhh.
“Rhaenyra’s barbecue” is CRAZY, yet so accurate for what happened🤣
I think it’s worth mentioning the scene where Rhaenyra tames Vermithor in the beginning of the taming scene. The acting that she displays is absolutely superb, especially with her facial expressions. It reminded me of how the younger Rhaenyra’s facial expressions were, when she got what she wanted. I thought it was an excellent start to an excellent sequence as a whole
This episode wouldn't have been as great as it is if it wasn't for the slow build up of the previous episodes. Im glad i completely ignored the ignorant reviews and stuck it out cuz i knew greatness was coming🔥
👏👏👏👍
Absolutely💯
Just wait fro next week, should be even better than this one! probably hahah, i hope so
why do reviews had to do with them changing the episodes? They were already filmed.
Its been too slow, two years waiting for this? Really
However this episode was pretty good and the next is sure to be a good one.
Silverwing missed going to King's Landing with Alysanne so she decided to go with Ulf.
And when Vhagar came to chomp on her Vermathor came to defend his wife.
*spoilers*
Ulf and Hugh defection to the Greens and Ulf trying to get the iron throne himself seems kinda wierd giving how Hugh have been painted up to be a honorable family man.
And wierd for Ulf to have Iron throne aspirations
@@guest0046 I think the Blacks will refuse to give Hugh the position and title he wanted for him and his wife, which was his entire purpose for doing this, and I think the Greens will offer it to him. Ulf I think will just get paid off.
Underrated scene for me this episode was Jace's tantrum to Rhaenyra. At first, I was thinking "here we go, they're creating conflict for conflict's sake". But then when it became abundantly clear what Jace's motivation was and why he felt that way, it turned the scene around for me. He's still being irrational and petulant in a sense, but it feels real and makes sense for his character. He was always insecure about his heritage, even if he tried to hide his feelings.
We finally got the much needed character development for Jace
He was being completely rational.
The only issue I have with this is that in previous episode to this, wasn't it Jace who suggested going through the family trees to find Targaryen blood relatives? In which case, those legitimate noble Targaryen-blooded dragon-riders would be an even bigger threat to him politically, than the low-born bastards.
“Bar the gates, nobody leaves the city!”
“What about all these silver haired people going for a midnight swim?”
“Yea that’s probably fine.”
Some of the gold cloaks were clearly bribed.
LMAO😂
That's what Elinda is for. For securing pass from the cloaks. That's literally what Mysaria and her network is for. For Pete's sake people. Pay attention to the purpose of each character. The show will not feed you everything.
Going on a sneaky, undercover mission, better wear my bright red dress 😅
(I’m joking btw, it’s just a bit of fun)
@@GoldenEDM_2018 Its even shown that one of the cloaks sending the message to the girl in the city so its clear that some of them take bribes.
Bruh people are killing me saying these last few episodes haven’t been good. They’re new fans that think there needs to be death and battle every single episode as if this is the walking dead or something. Mind sets like this start leading writers to think they need to add dumb ass fights to everything to keep the audience engaged. When in reality the last few eps have done so much character development across the board and continue to lay a foundation for this war. Like daemon and the river lords had me on the edge of my seat seeing him spar with that young lord and having to execute his own man… while then seeing the pain aegon is going through as Larys starts to dig into him is setting up something crazy that I won’t spoil… then to show jace and rhaenyra having that honest conversation that if she will give any of these bastards a chance at a dragon what does it say about him and his kin who are also bastards. While then the action with vermithor was so well done but the best part was the beginning seeing how Targaryen rhaenyra is starting to act by summoning the dragon and calming him only to be like nope let him choose……
Or people who read the book and are sick of character like Daemon being dragged through the mud.
Nah the last few episodes have been amazing. This episode was 10/10.
@lucasbelmonte2832 a book that's fictional history written 300 years after the fact? oooooo. Cry more.
@@lucasbelmonte2832 then theyre idiots. the book has basically no character development. but you cant make a tv show without that lol
Nice tilting at a strawman of your own making. There's plenty of people out there who made content or rants about problems the show's writing has, IF you truly cared to look.
Not even saying you have to agree or disagree with them but this is such a low IQ take jfc.
I think Vermithor was testing the selflessness of the seeds, since the Bronze Fury was with Old King Jaheryus the best and most selfless king who always put others before himself, what if Vermithor attacked them to see who would put other before themselves I dunno just how I like to see it.
Selfless King until its about his daughters
How so ? He had arya and rhynese if im not mistake right ? @Dimassaputra14
@memomamo-x2k not really sure who you're referring to with arya but rhaenys who died in ep 4 is his grandchild and he was pretty awful to his daughters saera and daella
@@Dimassaputra14????how so?
@@FriendlyBatDoomAt that point, there was no male preference in succession since the previous kings had only had sons. Jahaerys very willingly skipped over all of the female members of his family even though most of his sons died in revolts and battles (or illnesses). Not only that, but he also banished one of his daughters (probably Hugh’s mother) for not submitting to his authority and most likely caused the disappearance and presumed death of another one of his daughters. Jahaerys I was the epitome of sexism, though it’s disputed whether this was only in accordance with Westerosi customs as to not anger the nobility since he was notably ‘the conciliator’. Either way, he neglected his family immensely.
Lmao we definitely didn’t need any assassins. That seen was for Rhaenyra to get the trust of the small folk knowing she was sending them to the their death. That to me is actually much more unnerving.
Also, the assassin would have to be suicidal to try something at that moment when there was no way of escape. It's even possible that there _was_ an assassin or two mixed in and were waiting for their chance which never happened. - Or at least Larys might _claim_ that he had sent someone when Aemond goes ballistic how come this was allowed to happen...
exactly it would've ruined the scene (and pacing of half the episode) injecting an unnecessary sideplot into it.
See, the problem with throwing them all at Vermithor at once - it theoretically could have killed off anyone else capable of claiming a different dragon. For example, Ulf could have easily been killed before he made it to Silverwing’s roost.
I did think about that, and I came to think it was the rational thing to do. Vermithor is definitely the most important dragon that could be claimed, so they put all of their resources, bastards, towards claiming him. Say if they tried to have them claim Silverwing first, she may of killed Hugh before he got the opportunity to bond with Vermithor.
it was likely cause Vermithor was the hardest to tame. Silverwing couldve easily accepted Hugh, but that left nobody capable of claiming Vermithor, and then they're left with the same problem
It also might have been strategic, as bloody as it was. She gets one dragon rider but she also gets the story of how most bastards who try to claim a dragon, Targaryen blood or not, get burned alive. Keeps this from becoming common practice.
I don't understand why Rhaenyra ordered guards to keep the dragonrider candidates from fleeing. If they flee, they aren't fit to ride anyways, but they'd still at least have their lives.
In the books they went one by one. That being said I was really happy with the change and the scene was so amazing, especially with Hugh. That dude is gonna be an awesome character.
Larys wants Aemond gone, and further proof is him forcing the Maester to walk Aegon so he can return to be king again and, be hand of the king.
I see it more as Larys knows Kingslanding will be attacked and overthrown sooner than later and wants Aegon at least ready to move around and not be bedridden. You could be right though.
I dont think Ulf flying to Kings Landing was accidental. TO me felt like they were trying to bait Aemond and show that Rhaenyra now has more dragons. Her plan still is to try to avoid the killing.
So her plan was to lure Aemond to Dragonstone and…stare at him? Sorry but she clearly had no plan for Aemond and it was a accident with Silverwing taking Ulf to King’s Landing, probably the most common flight route for any dragon ever, Dragonstone to KL.
Lmao you read that scene way wrong bro just wanted to show folks he wasn't a liar so he did a trip around his place dwellings that's why he calls himself a dragonlord when he Flys over the city its what they chanted at the bar
@@berserk4souls Rhaenyra says more than once, to Jace, to Misaria, to the bastards in her speech that the idea is to increase the firepower of the black team to avoid more deaths, to show the greens that they wouldn't stand a chance against all of her dragons . Even though Vaghar is the most dangerous of all, she has already suffered against Meleys, facing Vermithor, SilverWing and Syrax would be suicide for Aemond.
@@berserk4souls she already mentions in an earlier scene how greens will have no choice but to surrender. She wanted to show aemond what she had. Why the hell should she be waiting with syrax and vermithor? It's clearly planned.
@@berserk4soulsYou've got to be pretty dense to think it wasn't planned, she was clearly waiting.
My wife was a professional casting director in her previous career. When Archie Barns first appeared this episode , she said, “uhh…this kid is not a good actor,” but then when the script flipped that he was in control the whole time, it was like a crazy magic trick. Fantastic.
"I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of The Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?"
Stannis the mannis for ever
@@abrahamj15 ONE REALM, ONE GOD, ONE KING
STANNIS! STANNIS! STANNIS!
Stannis burned innocent people including his child alive
Do we think he's up to something drilling those holes on the ice?
( where he is camped in the book )
He's told there is little yield but wants more holes. Perhaps to lure the army onto the ice ?
keep reminding me what they've done to Stannis in the show :D
Completely agree with you, fantastic episode. I don’t know what more people want, an entire battle setpiece every episode? I’m convinced this wouldn’t bother anyone while binge watching and that some people only call season 2 boring because they have to wait 1 week for a new episode. I personally have really enjoyed pretty much every episode
I don't like this season for what they have done to Daemon and the fact that 90% of the blacks dont get character development and screen time that should belong to them is instead dedicated to Rhaenyra whining or Alicent moping or going on spiritual walks.
@@lucasbelmonte2832I kinda agree that Rhaenyra and Alicent could both have been more „fun“ as characters and were a bit whitewashed but I still think both are interesting. Complaints about Daemon I don’t really get; he was a self absorbed psycho in the first season as well but that was hidden behind his badass aura. Now this aura is slowly stripped away. That’s atleast my estimation. But anyway, I wasn’t really getting at specific criticism of the show which of course is valid but at the notion I often saw online that season 2 is boring because nothing is happening.
I want complex but consistent characters. And I want consistent rules within the setting, especially regarding dragons. And I want every scene to serve a purpose. I'm getting none of that.
Rhaenyra, who has been turned into a boring, typical fantasy protagonist, is both simple and inconsistent. The rules about how dragons select riders and interact with other people change from episode to episode. And there are so, so many scenes that do virtually nothing to move the story forward, like everything that happened with Alicent in this episode.
And there's a lot more bad writing than that. But if you don't care, more power to you. I'm glad you find joy in it. You're completely off base though if you think that everyone who has complaints just wants more the battles; nothing could be further from the truth. Most of us are inevitably comparing the show to the far superior writing we experienced in early GoT.
@@nunliski All in principle fair criticism although I would disagree with most of it. My original comment wasn't really aimed at people who take issue with the writing though but at people who seemingly have no attention spam and complain about the lack of battles/action. Maybe this didn't came across. If that's the case then my bad
@@nunliski Dude there are no rules about how the dragons select riders and the whole point is to show dragons have different personalities so I don't know why that bothers you. I do agree that Rhaenyra got whitewashed this season but this episode finally showed direction with the character and it does feel like a natural culmination of where she was in Episode 5.
I've been disappointed with S2 but I also don't find it anywhere near as bad as some people think it is.
I think Larys is just scared to tell Aemond cause he’s the kind of person to take your head for giving him bad news even though it’s your job to 😂
This. This is why this scene plays out while Larys and Iron Rod are watching Aemond personally send 2 Kingsguard to the Wall since they’re bad at their jobs. No one wants to be the one to give Aemond bad news. It’s like hot potato
I know everyone's talking about the dragon scenes, but I loved how beautifully were filmed the scenes of Alicent in the Kingswood. They were so elegant, feminine, and whimsical... They seemed out of a fairy tale book.
I love how this season seems to be framing women in a better cinematography: the scenes in Jaehaerys' funeral, centred around Helaena, the shot of Alicent between columns, and now this... I love that the filming crew is giving awesome shots not only of dragons, but also about this.
I love that scenes too but I wonder where that scene took place
@@luckyadrian100 in the kingswood (unless youre talking about where it was filmed in real life?)
@@lewis0705 yep, I mean an actual place
Absolutely. The cinematography is leagues above what it was back in GoT, there are some truly stunning shots in this show so far.
@@mocha5742 Yes! I'm what I'm really excit3d about is that they are giving this treatment to female characters. It's just so against male gaze that I love it! ❤ Just not hookers and dragons.
the old GoT clips you use throughout these episodes to illustrate your opinion or feeling on something are so good😂
I think Ulf was used to lure Vhagar and Aemond to Dragonstone to see that they have tamed more dragons
Why reveal an element of surprise to your enemies? Why send a complete stranger to fly by that has never flown a dragon before?
Nobody is gonna mention how the long take of Hugh running away from the dragon is absolute amazing
Is like a tribute to Children of Men or other long takes of Alfonso Cuaron
Nobody is going to mention it, because it is a completely ridiculous comparison. You are insulting a very talented director. That shot was not impressive. Any idiot can run around for a while and look okay enough when 95% of what is on screen is CGI that will be added later.
And it wasn't even a long take! Nothing at all worth mentioning. I rewatched it after reading your comment, and it was clearly two separate takes punctuated by the dragon's head slamming into the ground.
So you are praising a normal length shot of a guy hiding behind a rock on a set surrounded by green screen and a normal length shot of a guy standing on a set surrounded by green screen acting unafraid of a dragon that isn't there.
@@nunliski if any idiot can do it like you said, why don't you go do it?
@@nunliskichill out bruh 😭 Alfonso ain’t letting you hit
@nunliski *daredevil dog intensities*
@@dwightyboy5324 LOL!
Oscar Tully stood on business.
I think it's incredibly ironic that Jahaerys was awful to Saera, and now her son Hugh rides his dragon
Wait Hugh is his illegitimate son ??? When was that said or did I miss something?
@@memomamo-x2kHugh is the son of Saera Targaryen. Daughter to Jaehaerys.
Saera left Westeros and became a whore
@@memomamo-x2k Saera is Jahaerys' daughter, so Hugh is his illegitimate grandson!
@@memomamo-x2kno he’s jahaerys grand son. Jahaerys daughter, Saera, is Hugh’s mother which is revealed in this episode when Hugh talks to his wife before leaving to dragon stone. Saera was a bit of a hoe and was somewhat exiled because of it. She ended up going across the narrow sea and working in a pleasure house.
Vermithor is fixing the mistakes of awful grandpa Jaeharis
If it weren't for Silverwing, my favorite scene in this episode would've been Oscar's scene; before following Daemon out to meet with the Riverlords, there's some nice subtlety in Archie's acting, realizing that Daemon was desperate for their army. And I just love that he uses that leverage to get back at Daemon for his disrespect a few episodes ago, while also working to reinforce his fealty to Rhaenyra. Right after Oscar points out how precarious Daemon's position was, and where Daemon almost loosk deated; theres a moment where Daemon looks impressed, that I honestly think was an impromptu decision from Matt Smith because of how impressed he was of Archie Barnes' performance lol. It's a nice culmination of Daemon paying for his incompetence, having to sacrifice pretty much the only ally who was loyal to him.
I noticed that. He gives the new Lord Tulley a small smile or smirk for like a tenth of a second, then he's back to looking annoyed for having to deal with his mess.
i dont understand the people getting annoyed that Daemon's character is developing. the whole point of Daemon and Rhaenyra's arcs this season is that they are both learning the hard way that their ways of extreme violence for Daemon and peace at all costs for Rhaenyra just dont work. Daemon has to learn that violence isnt always the answer, that he cant do everything on his own and that with the crown comes responsibilities and hard choices, wheras Rhaenyra's attempts for peace all fail and lead to terrible outcomes and success only comes to her when she embraces 'fire and blood' with the dragonseeds. it will be interesting to see how these two characters interact now that they've both developed in opposite directions
Oscar Tully was the Rickon we needed 😂
If Rhaenyra really only put all the dragonseeds in one room just so that they couldn't back out if they saw that others died, I find that really morally terrible and almost villainous. I hope they work that fact into her character and don't just gloss over it as something great just because she got two dragon riders out of it. I think it was a terrible plan regardless though cuz Vermithor could've easily just cooked everybody and you'd just have killed dozens of people for no reason with no dragon rider out of it.
Shes turned into some king of fanatic that believes her right to rule is divine.
Nah. She gave them a choice beforehand to pursue this and they knew the risks that went with it. Maybe the only thing she could’ve done differently is send one at a time at Vermithor but maybe it just doesn’t work like that and the dragon would lose interest
It's definitely morally dubious at best. And she stands there and watches them all burn. Think we are seeing her go down a more extreme path
@@lucasbelmonte2832 certainly not, thats too much of a leap for her character. she warned them all of the risk, and that they could all very well die, and they all went with it anyway. its disheartening that so many did die, but her logic is that merely HAVING so many dragons at her disposal will force the Greens to surrender, thus ending the war without anymore bloodshed. its always been the needs of the many over the few for her
Well, when she was suing for peace people called her names and said she was weak. Now that she is starting to give in to her bad side, you criticize her. This is what she's been trying to avoid but people didn't like her efforts to make peace. She is desperate and finally becoming the cruel tyrant she will turn into. Besides, this solves Jace's issue. Less bastards to challenge him for the throne
The scene of Alicent in the water reminded me of John Everett Millais's painting 'Ophelia'. Curious about the potential symbolism behind that... Also love that, as she is growing more disillusioned with her position within the Greens, she steering away from the colour green a bit in her costuming.
The high pitch squeak Vermithor makes when it opens it's gas valves is INSANE sound design
That young acter that plays oscar tully is going to go far definitely a character i hope we see far more of and that hopefully does not die a grizzly death
Him and Simon Strong made all the Daemon stuff at the haunted castle worth it.
4:44 the ghosts screaming in the background almost makes me think of all the people has either directly or indirectly murdered throughout his life, haunting him
"I'm more excited for this dialogue scene than any action in the finale"
The writers having no action and practically no dialogue between Rhaenyra and Aemond in the finale:
I love Ulf's "I have no idea how I got here but I'm loving this" energy while riding Silverwing, and patting her back like he's rewarding a well behaved horse
The assassin suggestion is a great point, wiuld have never thought of that
I'm waiting for "HOTD S2 - Episode 8 is complete failure"
This episode was EXCELLENT! The chaos in the Dragonpit was AMAZING! Alicent's somberness in the Kingswood was excellent as well...I love how she's starting to understand that this all is a sham for an Iron Throne. Can we also get a HELL Y EAH for Oscar Tully??? Daemon is a bish!
Episode 7 was the perfect buildup to the finale. I am so hype, we have 2 confirmed new dragon riders on Rhaenyra's side along with her Valerion niece who'll probably mount the wild dragon in the Vail. It's about to be so intense, I just wonder who'll die.
Loved that Oscar Tully scene. Impressive how he managed to gain the Riverlords respect.
How on EARTH Edmure Tully is descended from OSCAR I've no idea.
Edmure is a little better in the book than he is in the show. Still bumbling but not stupid.
Book Edmure is, show Edmure isn’t.
@@beckyweiss6072 He is but he's no Oscar lol. I really kind of hated the change for the funeral; I think in the book it was hinted at that he was drinking and crying? So that was why he was doing so poorly with the arrow.
@@TheRibottoStudios That would make more sense. The way he was portrayed in the show by the time Season 8 wrapped up angered me so much.
And no one is like Oscar 😂 Edmure was just….noticeably more competent in the books. Just enough for there to be a visible difference between the book and the show. Not great, but better.
@@beckyweiss6072 Edmure's writing was all over the place lol
I like that symbolically Alicent "shreds" the green skin for white for the scene: she rejects what is going on and feels sorry for her part in it.
Average HOTD fan
Doesn't see dragons: booooring
Sees dragons: this show is chaotically great
Its gonna be really interesting listening to the sh¡theads that were complaining all throughout the season. Cuz if it werent for those epiosdes, this one wouldnt nearly have as much impact as it does now
D&D apologist detected...
This season overall was pretty good in my opinion , my least favorite was episode 5 but other than that it was good. I think the people complaining were those that were micro-analyzing any small changes from the books.
@@Psychratic_JMBD&D? They have nothing to do with this
@@wryse1081 Same bullsh*t excuse for lazy writing during GoT. Not surprised it's in HotD.
@@thund3r682 They f*cked up the Blood and Cheese sequence, they butchered the Riverlands storyline, episode 3's ending was garbage, barely episode 2 & 4 were halfway good. They condensed a season into 8 episodes by removing content and adding "stylized" bullsh*t.
Oscar: Prince Daemon-
Daemon: ...King.
Oscar: Did I stutter?
I never viewed Ulf riding to King’s Landing as accidental. In my opinion I’m pretty sure Rhaenyra sent him there at that’s why they were all outside posted up 😂
the tully fish scale armor is back :)
"I'm assuming his acting will be laced with a lot of anger in future episodes." Oh you sweet summer child.
I think this episode is great (9/10, i liked episode 2 and 4 even more this season).
What i found most interesting these last 2 episodes is what they do with Larys Strong:
1. He ist not able to manipulate Aemond.
2. I interpret his interactions with Aegon as him doing 2 thing at the same time:
Larys is kind to Aegon, because he can relate to him and also because he wants to have his goodwill to rise in power when Aegon can rule again (which then would also give Larys an opportiunity to plot against Aemond if he wants to).
Larys is a master manipulator. In my opinion, he is Littlefinger x 10 and probably one of the best schemers Martin has created. He is doing all this on purpose. If they follow the books (which they don't, in a lot of things) there's going to be a lot of wtf moments.
Ulf had to go show off the the boys. Understandable
10:51 did you see this as accidentally? In my mind it was planned, Hugh and Rhaeneyra were on their dragons at Dragonstone waiting for Aemond to arrive. I assumed it was Rhaeneyras first command to try and trick and lure Vhaegar into a 1v3 after Vhagar is still resting from Rooks Rest. I don't believe this was suppose to show Ulf accidentally riding to Kings Landing. Thats also what Aemond realizes when he approaches Dragonstone as Vhagar reacts to there being more dragons there and they retreat.
This episode had so many great moments. One of my favorite ones was when Oscar Tully denounced Daemon's nefarious behavior and demanded that Daemon mete out justice for allowing war atrocities. Vermithor casually slaughtering those people was disturbing to watch and my adrenaline was rushing super fast when Hugh claimed him, but it was easy to understand why. The contrast though between when Hugh claiming Vermithor and Ulf claiming Silverwing was interesting to see. I thought that Silverwing initially didn't want Ulf, but then i personally think that Ulf got lucky that he was chosen by a dragon that was like "i just want a rider, fuck it, any rider will do." Rhaenyra standing with three dragons at the end of the episode gave me major Daenerys vibes.
Maybe im wrong but i took Ulf riding to kings landing as Rhaenyra baiting aemond so she could show her strength
Yes I thought the same.
I haven’t seen anyone having any issue with this episode, everyone is largely on the same page that it was one of the best episodes of tv. A full on 10/10 episode. Anyone who says “it’s different from the book” is forgetting that GRRM said that the maester is an unreliable narrator, so we’re are seeing what ACTUALLY happened as opposed to what we were told that happened by someone in the employ of the victors. The book isn’t canon, it’s one perspective, GRRM said this show is actually going to show us how things really unfolded. This show is the best thing on tv so it’s no surprises we are getting these 5 star episodes at the end of the season
So uhm… Helaena killing herself and that being witnessed by thousands was wrong, and cathartic show mongo Helaena is mounting her dragon to support the Green‘s in killing others? Or what? Show the dragon off like Dreamfyre and Vhagar would stand a chance?
@@Eddard_Stark yes, could be wrong for sure, but also the series isn’t over yet so how do you know that she won’t jump to her death? And it hasn’t shown her mount dreamfyre yet now has it? It hasn’t shown her kill anyone. You’re making assumptions of things that haven’t even happened yet. You’re the worst kind of fan who just tries to spread hate illogically basing your argument off of what you think is going to happen. But maybe I missed the part where she got on her dragon and killed people? No, didn’t think so.
Oscar had no right being that much of a chad within the first 10 minutes of his lordship. Dude was a sleeper build for strong leadership.
Great way to start my morning
Rhaenyra is someone who walks up to DRAGONS. She's got a different relationship with fate than a lot of people do. She knows, as a dragon tamer, that walking into danger is a show of strength. Also, I think she was acutely aware of the serious danger most of those people were undoubtedly in. She felt duty bound to offer them what little trust was available. (Granted, she cowered during the Cargyl bowl, but that wasn't a fateful dragon related event, but a couple dudes with swords and she was practically naked, and she didn't have anything to prove that night.)
Not to mention all of the bastards must have been checked for weapons beforehand.
I don’t get how people are saying that daemon is being butchered as a character, I think that this arc brings a lot of depth to daemon and makes him question what he wants, it also shows that his way of doing things doesn’t work. I think it’s really interesting, yes a couple of the dream scenes could have been cut but most are pretty good. Maybe he is better in the book but still, I think he’s still a great character.
They made him way more cruel and vicious than he is in the books. Yes, he is a morally grey character to say the least and he's done a lot of awful things, but his behavior in this season is completely out of character. In the books he doesn't call himself king nor does he constantly try to undermine Rhaenyra, he didn't kill his first wife and he didn't ignore his daughters. They had filmed a scene with him hugging the girls after Laena's death and they cut it. Also, Condal himself more or less said that he doesn't like the appeal Daemon has to fans....so I suspect they're trying to undermine the character any way they can. One of the most fierce warriors of the realm whining like a baby and begging a witch to help him? Really? There is a line in the books, when someone says that six men will suffice to kill Daemon, another one answers "six men or sixty, he's still Daemon Targaryen". Does this seem to describe the man we saw this season??
@@kateris1976 again you keep talking about the books, he is still a vicious character, but he’s trying to rule in this season and it shows how he can’t do that, maybe they shouldn’t have changed his character from the books, but I think that this arc of him wanting the Throne makes him more interesting and it sets up a lot of development where he comes to realization that he doesn’t want it. We also will probably see this more from daemon in the future now that he has an army and can command and fight.
Ulf didn't accidentally fly to King's Landing.
He was a bait sent by Rhaenyra for her multi-dragon trap.
After the last 2 episodes I was getting worried, but this one was solid
I honestly love the route Larys is kind of going with not telling Aemond about the dragonseeds, which I totally believe he brushed away the rumors on purpose as a fk you to Aemond 😂
And know my watch begins
The ghosts in the background were such an amazing touch for Daemon in that scene, you were right to give proprs to the sound design!
Day 1 of asking for “Jace and Aemond mewing for x minutes straight”
Tully showing why they rule the Riverlands. Also Daemon's face of "fuck" is priceless.
Also it's so funny how Vermithor went on a barbecue rampage, while Silverwing's like "oh, a new rider, sweet"
Opinion on the shitshow that is the finale?
Been waiting for your take🤙🏿🤙🏿
Aside from the Dance this is imo the best episode yet
Supercuts Delight, do you prefer Character development over Action ? Just what it seems like to me .
Most of this season was boring, not because of lack of dragons but lack of entertaining dialouge sequences. I see so many people trying to justify average writing as "character development". This is a game of thrones show, therefore it will be compared to the peak seasons of got (1-4) which relied not on action but characters. This episode had great dialouge and great action. Hence the positive review.
And you think Willem was the kid with big balls.... Now we have Oscar... A kid with bigger balls.
Oscar really shows the great characteristics of a Tully. Honor, family and justice.
Should have done some intro to 2-3 other dragonseed characters, so that it's not obvious how's gonna come out on top.
Who would want that though? Time and attention focused on characters that are just killed instantly. There isn’t enough time and episodes as is
I got the impression the Ulf intentionally went to kings landing. He didnt seem to have much control but im sure hes ridden a horse so he would have some idea how it works. I imagined him basically doing it so he could fly over the bar he patrons as a "Look guys i did it!" moment.
Everything was good in this episode but there was a small mistake.
like when lord jesper was able to find out that seasmoke isn't riderless anymore but the whole of teem green couldn't hear about Rhaenyra recruiting people from kings landing. For me this scene was a little illogical. Every commoner in the kingslanding knew about this without the greens finding about this. 😂😂
I took that stuff as Larys purposeful working against aemond and gaslighting iron rod into not talking about the dragon rumors in the hope it gets him killed 😭
Also, it seems to me the whole recruitment thing takes place over a single evening with to support of much of the city watch. So it's before anyone has time to even do anything about it
Just wanted to points out how absolutely beautiful the music was during Alicent's lake scene. I almost shed a tear the first time I heard it.
I find hilarious how the intro SUMMARY OF DAEMON are 3 scenes THREE SCENES talking with some relevant Riverlords and like 1 hour of dream secuences
This only proves that the Daemon Arc only PROGRESS in THE LAST EPISODE AND THIS ONE, and the season (3-4 episodes) should be Daemon talking with future relevant people of the War
Like we got Tully but also they forgot Alys the Black, Robb Waters or BLOODY BEN this people fought all the battles of the entire War 😂😂😂
But i Guess the sex scene with his mother is more important because . . .
havent had chills like that watching tv in years the vermithor scene with hugh is absolutely epic! had goosebumps for 5min, i felt like i could feel the dragons presence amazing!
I really don’t understand the negativity towards this season, like are you truly a fan of this universe??? Why would you want a battle every episode 💀 I’m sure Disney+ has a marvel show for you
Remember dragon fire can explode thick walls in one blast but only when it's convenient. When its not its blocked by a random rock and its heat does not radiate much further than a regular camp fire
Dragons aren’t real, their fire can be as hot as they want it to be. Balerion could breathe black fire.
Also episode 8 was good but lacked in any pay-off action sequences, which is a little dissapointing even though the rest of the episode was very good, i think its going to end up hurting the show because most people are now angry we have to wait 2 years to see any payoff.
Alicent agreeing to have Aegon beheaded while also giving up Aemond's plans to Rhaenyra was completely absurd and didn't make any sense at all. A slower pace is fine, but a slow pace through shitty writing is no fun for anyone.
I like how jace foreshadows whats to come with the dragon seeds and giving them power with huge ass dragons
Loving HOTD
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Dude the sound department in this episode is fucking 😙👌 chefs kiss, like the dragon taming scene when the bastards were getting torn apart by the dragon the screeching just all perfect
idk how all these ppl just escaped kings landing without any problem while 2 eps ago aemond closed kings landing to everyone, so now no one cares when 20 ppl are coming to the beach and the smugglers are waiting for them
Yeah, sloppy work, and the episode is trash, reminds me of boring soccer matches with a stoppage time goal lol
They showed Gold Cloaks working against that order. I don't think it was sloppy writing. It just shows again that Daemon managed to gain the loyalty of many men when he was the commander of gold cloaks.
The writers something put the same scenes in 3 episodes (Corlys talking with a bastard that goes to nothing, Daemon, Rhaenyra)
And sometimes they do this bullshit 😂 i can believe Larys did nothing about the Dragonseeds because he is helping Aegon
But Aemond doing nothing sounds DUMB like WHAT is he doing in the Castle ?😂 Making parties like his WHORE say ?
I guess the Blacks have a list of all City Watch guards still loyal to Daemon or Mysaria and call them ahead of time when snuggling needs to happen to keep others from finding out. Why Larys didn't know or is just going along with it beats me though since Aegon would be screwed either way
This season has been awesome . The only thing I wish it had more of was time so they could give the smaller factions/characters more screen time
Silverwing in just two scenes is cooler than Syrax, though that's not saying much.
Oscar Tully walked up and put a pair of brass man sized nuts on the table. That scene was the best part of the episode for me. That and Hebrew Hammer Hugh yelling in Vermithor's face. GOAT shit.
good thing theres no woke shit
Make sure to check under your bed every night for the woke monster
I hope there's a tonne of it in every episode going forward, just to annoy you
You complaining makes you like them 😂
Booooo, I'm the scary libtard-ghost, I'll make your children gay, booooo!
@@PrinceIsot I've seen this everywhere. Can someone explain me it's logic?
10:52 I could be wrong but I think this may be a slight time skip (maybe hours or a day) And Rhaenyra was luring Aemond to trap and eliminate Vhagar or to show him that she now has more dragon riders than the greens before attacking King's Landing. Hence why she was already waiting for Aemond with her dragon riders.
No.. dragons are genuinely that fast.. her killing Vhagar or attacking King's landing would result in a fight with Aemond in both cases.. she's clearly not confident in being able to fight the greens fully in a direct attack, cause if she was she would've done it there by attacking Vhagar.. but there's another certain outcome, even if they take vhagar down.. rhaenyra would have died most likely as well and I'd wager the sea smoke would die as well.. and then she doesn't know what Daemon will do since she doesn't know if he's still on her side at that exact moment that's why she didn't make a move there
Oscar Tully knew he had all the power and used it to his advantage. He used Deamon has a way to get his people to support and listen to him.
I kind of thought that Ulf flying to Kings Landing and back might have been purposeful as Rhaenyra had three dragons ready. I thought it was her trying to jump Aemond and Vhagar.