I feel like a reason why it’s like this is because his movies are based off huge threats instead of small scale stuff and because in his universe he’s just a a kid in red and blue tights in a city with aliens and way more powerful heros who’ve been there longer.
The movies themselves domt depict spiderman as good. Tom is the only reason spidey is good his story and script are terrible but Tom is an amazing Peter and spidey
The issue with MCU movies post 2016 (with the exception of maybe Black Panther) is they care less about diving deep into character's and personality, and focus more on overall MCU story arc. This iteration of Spiderman was more involved with saving the Universe (from Thanos) rather than NYC. Homecoming brought him into the suburbs and DC, and FFH in London, and in NWH, even though it. was a NYC story, the whole world turned him on.
Honestly thank you for saying this. It was exactly what needed to be said. When it came to the impact of Toby’s Spider-Man, it was leagues above what we have gotten today.
@@StarBrickAnimations grow up? this is a valid criticism to tom holland's spider-man. I think you should be the one to grow up and be open minded to these kinds of criticism. People like you are one of the reasons why they don't even try to fix mcu spider-man
@@ashgrey7307 still these valid criticisms does not make Tom Holland Spider-Man a bad adaptation y'all are okay with a Japanese Spider-Man with a robot but not a techy avenger-ish Spider-Man like Tom Holland?!
@@StarBrickAnimations That wasn't the problem, even the original animated show shows how techy spider-man is but the difference is with tom holland is he doesn't feel like the main character in his own movie and we barely see him be like spider-man, he's always just a kid that doesn't know what he's doing
To be fair, considering the Home trilogy is the high school era, it should be said that Spider-Man was no one’s beacon or inspiration by that point in the comics. And not even in the following era, for that matter. The Connors family, Robbie Robertson and Captain Stacy were pretty much the only ones who truly appreciated him and saw him as a hero. The rest of the city was either indifferent, hostile or at best slightly encouraging. And that was exactly Peter’s main struggle in the beginning: the centuries old dilemma of whether or not being a hero is worth it, if nobody sees and praises you as one.
But why doesn’t these stories focus on the people of New York and their viewpoint. Very little do we get screen time that focuses on the people that Peter saves, we get a few, but typically those scenes play out as jokes rather than crucial moments that help push the story along. Hell you didn’t even mention how Far From Home had literally none of that because he was in a different country. None of these films focus on that aspect of the character, and when they do it gets no pay off.
@@Ismatic1906 there was a fair amount in Homecoming. FFH didn't have any cuz it took place in Europe. NWH had a fair amount in the first half. The people of New York were present, and were shown. However, it isn't as intimate as the previous films cuz in those films, Spider Man was the only hero around. While in the MCU, there like 50 different heroes. That's not an issue with the movies themselves, rather it's not really that big of a deal. But I feel this part will play more of a role in the next trilogy with now most of the A list heroes either dead or focusing on the multiverse or cosmic parts. Only people like Spider Man, Daredevil, Hawkeye, and Echo are let to defend the streets against actual crime (not Kate Bishop after that Marvels PC scene). I also believe it's a unique live action take where Peter is looked upon with hostility rather than warmth, which the other Spider Man films never showed. That could be an interesting story beat.
Let's put it this way, i can kinda see why they haven't shown this yet in the mcu. In the mcu they've been more focused on showing Spiderman figuring out how to truly be Spiderman, the first movie showed him learning to embrace his inner strength, the second showed him becoming his own thing, and the third showed him fully becoming Spiderman. So now Disney can show him building trust with the people and becoming a hero people love. He just hadn't gotten to that point yet.
I just think 3 movies to develop him to level that every Spidey has had through one movie is too much. I also think you are forgetting that Spider-Man HOMECOMING is what made Spidey is own thing. Far From Home just recycles that in a less needed storyline.
@@Axe_FaxThat's not entirely true. At the end of Homecoming, he did learn that he needs to stay on the ground for awhile and not be like Tony. In Far From Home, he is learning to trust himself and his instincts.
@@Axe_Fax In the comics spider-man isn't exactly an 'insparational icon' he's more hated (like Hollands spider-man) and he's a smaller hero between many others so ppl don't care about him as much (like in Hollands trilogy). He's made the face of NY in other projects because Sony can only use spider-man and no other heroes. That's why they made Venom and Morbius antiheroes. You think he's adored by the public because there are more stand alone spider-man movies than in the MCU, so you think that that's the way he should be, when in fact it isn't. Also there's a smaller connection between Hollands spider-man and NY because he travels more and isn't limited to NY. Him helping more ppl isn't a problem, it's more realistic. If spider-man would exist he would probably move around too cause not all the crime is in NY and other places with higher crime rates need his help more.
The worst part is people use the excuse that all 6 of his movie appearances in the MCU are his origin story…even though the main thing they praised when Civil War and Homecoming came out was that it skipped the origin. So the trade off is 6 whole movies vs barely 30 minutes for an origin story. That’s the other lamest thing about this version of the character. Nothing from his actual comic book origin matters until the second half of the final movie in his 6 appearances. Ben Parker doesn’t even matter in this universe. Uncle Ben is the driving force behind what makes Spider-Man a good guy. Without him AND May, Peter would have been a villain. A version of Spider-Man where Ben Parker isn’t Peter’s inspiration to be a good man is no Spider-Man to me.
My favorite thing about spider-man is that when he’s interacting with New York citizens he’s basically interacting with us… the way the people love him is a direct reflection of how much we love him in real life but without even having the context of knowing his story. It’s awesome and wholesome
After your points, I have to agree. The trilogy so far could've really been improved in terms of introducting Spider-Man. But that still doesn't stop me personally from loving his movies.
As I said in the video if you think what was shown in the MCU works for you and its smth you love thats great and I respect your opinion. More importantly, am very thankful that you watched the entire video and hope you enjoyed it!
You know the sad part is there's a deleted scene in the 2nd movie of him beating the mob and had funny banter with the cops. The MCU CHOOSE to not include that. Mind you it's only one scene but it'll definitely help his image
Tom's Spider-Man is missing a crucial scene that the other two have: New York Citizens assisting in defeating the villain. Andrew and Tobey are both shown support and gratitude by the city through this. In Spider-Man 1, the civilians on the bridge throw stuff at Goblin to buy him time to save MJ and the Trolley, while garbagemen drive their boat to give him a safe platform. And after its done, everyone cheers. The icing on the cake is one lime said by a civilian "You mess with Spider-Man you mess with new York. If its one of us, its all of us". And the crane scene in ASM1. The construction workers know spider man is injured and is trying to stop Lizard. So they create web slinging points with their cranes to help him get there faster. They even shout on their PA that new York has his back. But Tom's. They IMMEDIATELY turn on him and treat him like garbage. But I don't blame the writing. Its mostly cause of how we as people changed in the last two decades. People believe everything they see on social media even if its a lie. This proves Mysterio's "believe" speech and Goblin's "hate you" points. People will turn on you on a whim to suit their wants and needs
it’s fairly comic accurate though, in most incarnations new york and the people as a whole view spider-man as a weirdo and a nuisance due to jameson’s rants and overtime they learn to love and appreciate spidey
@@hyoroga86 I would argue that in-universe and chronologically it make sense why Spiderman has not yet built a public persona. This Spiderman seem to have spent most of his time dealing with low-level crooks and throughout the MCU most of Spiderman's heroism are not publicly known especially in the case of Homecoming where he stopped major heists at night.
MCU Spidey movies always feel so isolated, I feel like I never get to experience the world around him and his environment. The only time I've ever felt that with MCU Spidey was the small montage in homecoming, where that guy tells him to do a flip. These movies all feel like they're shot on a soundstage, and the people in the background are all NPC's not actually people. I feel like I never see Tom save random civilians.
This is the reason I love the spider-man games. First game was peter 8 years into spider-man, he's been helping people and did his best. The people were with him, even when the worst happened. Feast, his friends and ordinary people. He may have became sable's most wanted at the end but that didn't stop him from helping. Even two of his villains know who Spider-man is under the mask and they didn't tell anyone. There were times where it felt Shocker and Electro some what respected him. Electro and Spider-man bantering, or Herman not wanting to hurt him in the first place during the chance but he felt like he had no choice due to Mr Negative's threats and Spider-man just chasing him. We even see Tombstone excited that he could feel something again during and after his boss fight. The fact people on the street compliment him, that he can interact with them. Even the side missions you can do with Howard feel like this is how a Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-man should feel like. He gets support from Police, his loved ones and randoms alike. Even during the dlc, Spider-man just orders a damn pizza, knows the owners name and the owner knows exactly where it needs to go to be collected. He gains Silver Sable's respect, and the two work together to fight off Hammer Head. In the second game, although a few missions can be done as Peter or Miles. Many of them feel right to do as Peter, the Howard mission there is depressing but heart warming. The Emt's are respectful to Peter, try to bring him comfort. The mission with the grand pa Peter just sits with the guy until the grand daughter can reach them. The photographer, Peter just helps her try to get a great shot. He knows he can't save everyone, but he tries his best to. Even if it means him going down with them. We even see some reformed villains care more about him than they ever had in the first place. I know this can all change in the next few movies, how he can gain the respect and support of the people just by doing what he can. But for right now, Tom Holland spider man isn't a friendly neighbour hood spider man. He's just Spider Man, until he gets moments like the other versions got, from movies to cartoons. Only then he can be considered A Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. Sorry if I spoiled the second game a bit for some people but it's been out for over a month.
" Tom Holland is Not a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-man " No, Of couse not. But its not his fault, it's Feige's fault. He and MCU people who doesn't know what to do with him, if he should be Iron Man Jr, or the New face of Marvel Studios, or the young hero who barely is beginning to introduce the world. Its a crazy caos.
@@Axe_Fax I think MCU is taking pages from Ultimate Comics, where Spiderman is seen as this controversial or wildcard hero that New Yorkers largely don't fully trust
I completely agree with everything you said and I hope they stay truer to the character going forward, but I also gotta say I think it’s great how unique his origin story has been. We’ve seen the comic accurate story done twice already and sending Spider-Man to space, having him fight Thanos and die, come back, fight a wizard, open the multiverse and learn the “with great power comes great responsibility line” from variants of himself is a damn cool origin story. This Peter has been through a lot of really weird crap. Admittedly those kinds of things are less central to the core of the character, but they also do represent the weirder sides of comics that the older films never even dared to.
Had that been the intent from the from the start, I would have been happy with that, but the problem is that it leaves an even larger disconnect between how he’s portrayed in Civil War and how he is in Homecoming. According to his dialogue with Tony in CW, he already had a sense of responsibility. From Homecoming onward, he is portrayed as less capable and less responsible (not sure why, but alas). Due to CW, having 6:16 NWH serve as the completion of his origin through May makes Peter look like an idiot for needing to learn this lesson AGAIN. This trilogy works much better if CW Spidey didn’t exist 😭
Finally. Everybody says this one is so good but he's MID at best. I DONT CARE if Stan said he was the best one. He isn't. In the comics spiderman can stick to anything. In the movies all he can stick to is Tony Starks Nutz.
Wow, real mature. You guys like GLAZING the everliving shit out of Tobey's Peter Parker MEAT even though he's insurable and can't stand up for himself and lusts for a girl that Cheats on him every other Tuesday. Tom's Peter is so much more endearing and lovable. 🥱
@@ArishemTheJudge-19tobey is loved cuz its a good spider movie. Tom's movies are terrible for spidermans character. He himself is a really good Peter and spider but script ruins it. Has nothing to do with the actor
@@BigJim_II First of all, I never said anything about Tobey or Tom Holland as actors. Second, Tom's Spiderman is so much more entertaining and lovable as a Peter Parker while Tobey's Peter almost put me to sleep with how bland and BORING his Character was. Ironically the only time he was ever entertining was when he got the black suit and become Bully Maguire. Third, the movies themsleves are just fine with the only amazing one being Spiderman 2. Tom's movies are so much more entertaining not only due to his performance as Spiderman but all the suporting characters.
@ArishemTheJudge-19 so a movie is all about entertaining nowadays that's why shows like Boys work?? Gone are the days when we used to get a positive influence from Movies!! And learn a lot of things which our society failed to teach!! Although Andrew's Spiderman had a perfect mix/Balance of Entertainment and Impact!! But Tobey will always be the G.O.A.T!! Tom's future looked bright until Sony announced SM-4 to be Multiversal level!!
A BIG issue with this is that MCU Spiderman (Peter Parker) is adaptaion of SPIDERMAN'S (MILES') comic story. Meaning that Peter is comic Miles. This also means if anyone wants to create a Miles Morales story without the multiverse, they will face HUGE problems with the MCU.
He should. Like really. In 2016 he literally said "big fan" but my goodness, MCU really throws away all the possible elements for Tom's spiderman development in vain
7:24 i love that part in the movie, like the detail of Peter already having his hand there to catch the rock but it getting caught my Matt Murdock is so cool to see, THEY dont know Matt is Daredevil yet but he already showed his ability.
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tuFirst, He's just associated with Ironman. Tony was kind of an adopted Father figure to Peter. Also, Tom's Peter is in a world where the Avengers are the premier Superheroes unlike Into/across the Spiderverse miles.
The whole "The trilogy was supposed to be his origin" argument always seemed off to me cause No Way Home felt very much like a last minute script change, it wasn't set up at any point throughout his movies and the cliffhanger from Far From Home pretty much became forgotten a few minutes after the opening.
100% agree with all of this, I also think that this being the full origin story contradicts their whole pitch for Homecoming of "everyone knows his origin so lets skip that and just get to Spidey stories". They're just very clearly trying to cope imo with the fact that people didn't like these movies as much as Marvel thought they would.
@@Axe_Faxi think in across the verse it is explained that fate of all spiderman and peter parker fate are connected and will result to one way Death of uncle ben and peter being poor So thats why tom had same thing happened what happened to tobey and andrew
@@michaeljosephjackson2364Eh not really. One of the biggest issues with MCU SM is the fact that he doesn't have an origin so the purpose for why he's a hero doesn't exist and they just force him into the roles without properly writing him. Also I wouldn't take what Across the Spiderverse says too seriously because that movie has a bunch of problems people dont see or want to talk about.
I’ve been thinking this for awhile but I didn’t know if anyone else felt that way. The people of NYC mourn the death of a tech bazillionare CEO (which if you’ve been to NYC, LMAO) who likely has never interacted with any of them in any significant way. But Spider-Man who is a regular at helping people and interacting with them on a personal level doesn’t inspire any community loyalty? Hell no, that’s so backwards. Just looking at the memes people make of the avengers causing property destruction and how nobody would want to live in the MCU because of that prove this lol. Imagine if insurance says they don’t want to cover ”villain insurance” for “high risk areas” where you live and Iron man is too busy being Iron Man and the only person who can help you is Spider-Man who IS one of you and not somebody who lives a vastly different lifestyle. The MCU Spider-Man movies feel very out of touch with reality.
I agree with you on all this while I do love Tom Holland’s Spider-Man I felt to as if his spidey doesn’t get the most care like the other two in these movies it’s not the same as when Andrew and tobey played theres
I can give a clear reason in one sentence, unlike Tobey's or Andrew's spiderman, Tom's spiderman lives in a world with other heroes who get more attention than a kid tryna his hardest to help, don't go talking bs like this without using ya brain.
Him living a world with other heroes doesn't stop him from getting attention plus his flat brain self sure as hell got attention in far from home and no way home
I'm new to your channel but when I watched this video I knew you knew the character of Spider-Man deeply and you understand the character on so many levels. I agree with everything you said about Spidey being a beacon of hope for the people of NY and inspiring the citizens of NY, I also agree with everything else you said especially about MCU Spider-Man which I love but I understand your point of view and where you are coming from. John Watts did say that the MCU Spider-Man trilogy was the origin story meaning Peter still has more character development to undergo so maybe the next trilogy can show how he's becoming the heart of NY and becoming that beacon of hope for NY.
Love to hear you enjoyed the video bro, I as well am very looking forward to the MCU's future with Spider-Man and whats to come in Spider-Man 4, possible video idea??? XD
@@Axe_Fax Thanks for liking and commenting on my comment, were all Spider-Man fans and I'm glad to share my thoughts and hear everyone else's thoughts as well. I am so excited for the future of MCU Spider-Man, I was already excited when I saw the ending of Spider-Man NWH (the final swing scene) because it was so classic and so Spider-Man to me. The apartment, the classic suit, Peter listening to the police radio frequency screamed Spider-Man IMO. Peter now knows that with great power there must also come great responsibility which he learned from May and the 2 other Spider-Men so his origin is complete. A MCU Spider-Man 4 video would be great in my opinion, you could talk about what you want to see in the film, potential villains, storylines, Peter being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man in NY and him dealing with rent issues just like in the comics.
@@Axe_Fax The thing is, in the comics, Peter during his high school days was in no way an inspiration to the people of NY. He was a pariah that the people didn’t understand. Peter in his early comics was kind of a jerk who resented the world and struggled with the responsibility of being Spider-Man. It’s only his later comics and the movies that portray Spider-Man as an inspiration and a symbol of hope to the people. Considering Tom’s trilogy takes place during his high school era, I find no problem with him being shunned by the people of New York, at least for now.
@@fegreninja7197 But he’s barely shunned he’s more so ignored, but that’s mostly because the movies don’t develop that section of the story at all. Typically in storylines like this, where Peter is supposed to question his role as Spider-Man, he finds people who care about him, people who will stand by him. We don’t get any of that, and that’s what’s supposed to make Peter interesting. Everything up to this point feels like the writers stumbled into a situation where they could act like this was all intentional but it doesn’t feel like it was. We see how some people are annoyed and how some people enjoyed Spider-Man helping people but the city never progressed past that needed level of nuance.
I hate Tom's Spider-Man, he is complete garbage and the fact he needed so much set up to get to where the other iterations were is laughable. He does nothing to exist outside of the Avengers or Iron Man. He is so reliant on others in order to be relevant just makes it sad. Like cmon his 1st villain wasn't created due to his own actions, Vulture was a byproduct of The battle of new York/iron man, Mysterio a rejected stark worker and now with NWH he banked off the nostalgia of previous iterations and their rouges providing nothing more than cameos and fan service. I'm skeptical Tom's can be anything more and my god another trilogy.
“does nothing to exist outside the avengers” he was stopping small crimes and doing neighborhood deeds before meeting any of the avengers. he denied being on the avengers so he could keep helping out the neighborhood. the only time he goes to help out the avengers is when the entire planet is at risk via thanos. most spider-man villains have beef with oscorp or some other third party and develop a hate for spider-man because of his meddling. doc ock in spider-man 2 only wanted to finish his reactor and spider-man kept intervening. lizard in tasm only wanted to “better the world” until spider-man kept intervening. vulture wanted revenge until spider-man kept intervening. the whole arc in nwh was him forgetting his morals after all the pressure of the world turning on him gets to him. He becomes selfish and would rather condemn the villains to death than save them and only does through his aunt reminding him of the morals he stood on. the same he stood on when he decided to miss homecoming with his dream girl to stop the vulture(who he saved from almost getting himself killed). you need to rewatch these movies with a more open eye as they’re great spider-man films (ffh is a little lame though)
This captured a lot of things to be desired about MCU Spider-Man but in the same time it’s not entirely correct since Tom is THE most friendly neighborhood Spider-Man out of them all, let me explain In homecoming, most of the movie was him helping out the little ones. Helping an old lady with the directions, being friendly around his neighborhoods, he feels more down to earth as he doesn’t feel like a symbol of hope, rather feels like a regular guy who’s trying to do good, remember Spider-Man was never created so he can resemble hope (that came as a secondary thing) he was created to be relatable, last I checked u don’t get people looking up to u and think they’re safe right? Same scenario here. heck in earth 616, not everyone appreciated him for what he was doing in fact, in one of his comics, he was holding the daily bugle on his shoulders so it doesn’t collapse, EVERYONE saw what he did, yet not everyone thinks he’s a hero despite literally seeing him stop a literal skyscraper from falling right on top of their heads. after saving them all right in front of their eyes, JJJ’s immediate first reaction to that was to tell the cops to “arrest him”, MCU Spider-Man was also created in a world where superheroes were doing this job before him unlike his comic counterpart where he was just as experienced as his fellow heroes were. another thing worth mentioning is that MCU Spidey is also in a world where superheroes r common,some of them r literal gods too, so in there perspective y would they look at a guy in spider costume and feel hope when they can look at bigger superheroes who have been on the job for longer and against larger threats?
I am not saying there needs to be appreciation from everyone in NYC but just have us see moments of them showing it would be great which the MCU does not. Ik the reference you are making from the comics which is a source that at least has given us what the MCU has not. He may not be as experienced as people like Iron Man or Thor but is still an experienced Super Hero at the time who has been fighting crime for several years before he was snapped. He may be in a universe with all these heroes but thats not a new thing for Spider-Man to experience, he may j be a superhuman in a spider costume but he is one that is meant to always be there for NYC when a lot of these big heroes are not while also being there for the big events to help save the day. Thats why NYC should have this appreciation for him.
@@Axe_Fax Peter isn't the only superhero in New York tho, another thing that made people not appreciate him much also I forgot to mention something else, about no one mourning for Spider-Man when he blipped that's cuz they didn't mourn for any superhero heck the entire half of the world just disappeared without any warning
He's not relatable and acts very ignorant in order to drive the plot. He does use gen z humor, but is a bad carbon copy of what life as a teenager is like. This Peter Parker is basically Stark's sugar baby. He trusted a man he just met with glasses that were a gift from Tony Stark. If he never gave the glasses, there would be no plot. Though I guess since this Spider man has an unreliable spider sense, someone may have been able to steal the glasses. Then, in the next movie, he goes on to trust villains for the sake of the plot. It was unrealistic since he had no background knowledge on them.
@@anakerendoofenshmertz9985 literally what?? U must not be high-school if u think he's not relatable, bro all what stark does to Peter is giving him a suit and the rest is Peter doing his own thing, he constantly disobeys him, am I the only one who understood what happened with Mysterio?? Wasn't Nick Fury the guy who introduced Mysterio and his back story to Peter, it's known that Nick never trusts anyone so when he LITERALLY introduces another superhero to u, you'd obviously believe it, blame the damn skrull disguised as Nick, he's the 1 who made Peter fall for it
@@swordchannelfires He reminds me more of a child than a teenager sometimes. Even if Nick Fury introduced him to Mysterio, there's no reason why Peter should give the glasses to him. So, the only reason he did it was to further the plot. Also, I don't like how Spiderman became Iron Man's subordinate. Spiderman should have been able to make his own suit and not rely on so much technology. The other two live-action Spiderman's sewed their suit together. The only invention this Peter has made was the web shooter and the web fluid.
& all fiarness, Tom Holland has NEVER been my Spider-Man to begin with in my high school days, when I related to Spectacluar Spider-Man (2008) more than I ever did with Tom Holland's Peter Parker.
In the MCU's defense, Spider-Man was relatively new. In Queens, he was a little more known because he lived there. But in the Spider-Man comics and the movies before MCU, he was more of a loner. Therefore, his image could shine. In the MCU, he joined a cast of superheroes and WANTED to be part of a team...which is something the REAL Spider-Man is vehemently against lol. So he immediately joins in with a group of heroes who don't even have a secret identity: Tony Stark's Ironman, Thor is his real name and everybody knows he is an alien god from Asgard (Remember he was taking pictures with people on the street and they said "Sorry Jane dumped you." Mind you, LOKI, who CAUSED NYC's DESTRUCTION was STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM), Steve Rogers is Captain America, James Rhodes is part of the MILITARY so...there's that, and Black WIdow's and Hulk's information became public knowledge after Winter Soldier. The only guy who is stopping his name from becoming special among New Yorkers here IS Spider-Man because he is hiding from even his own teammates by not revealing his identity to anyone. So more than this being this iteration of Spider-Man that is different... ...I would say that Spider-Man just doesn't WORK in the MCU because they are too interconnected. The way they made him in No Way Home was great. Now he isn't part of any team, nobody knows him, and now he CAN build that trust with the common people of NYC.
Spiderman actually a Avenger the comics. He was a loaner, but he was still part of the team. Spiderman is also The most popular Marvel superhero so making all these necessary changes was very needed. It's just not a good argument you can have a Universe were the Avengers exist an still go with the original story.
@@FB-nw8pp Spider-Man is a PART TIME Avenger. Most of the Avengers missions, Spider-Man isn’t part of them directly. So no, just saying he is an Avenger doesn’t mean his personality is that of “Go team.” In fact, Spider-Man doesn’t even reveal his identity to The Avengers in the comics 😂. Only a set few know who he really is.
Great video. It's funny to me how all the MCU stans are like "this was his high school trilogy" without realising that this was clearly a retroactive decision
Homecoming was the closest MCU Spider-Man had to being the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man but even that was going directly against the show, don’t tell rule. I’m hoping that’s gonna be touched upon in Spider-Man 4.
While I understand where your coming from with your point. But 5:50 just proves why it isn't that valid. People keep forgeting that MCU Spiderman is in fact in the MCU, where other Heros such as Cpatain Amercia, Thor and Ironman have been established for years before Peter even got his powers. So of course people are gonna love and mourn Ironman (a well estabilshed Hero goes been around for almost a decade) more than Spiderman (a 15yr old kid who's been Spiderman for like a a few Months). Also, not every single Spiderman story has to take place in New Tork City, that's why I love MCU Spiderman, they did something different with him while still making him a lovable, relatable and well-written Character. I think it ultimately comes down to wether you like the MCU adaptaion with it's changes or not. I personally think he was masterfully crafted but If you don't agree with that I completely respect your Opinion.
You actually missed the part that, actually, Spider-Man isn’t a loved icon by everyone. I don’t like Iron Man, but dude, how can you expect people to cry Spider-Man’s death when he’s been around for like 2 years and Iron Man for 15 years? Seriously, how can you compare? I cannot stand against Iron Man, but really, doesn’t really makes sense. Other point, yeah, Spider-Man is a loved icon, but not by everyone, in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, the guy is pretty much underestimated, and an outcast, a “minor hero”, compared to the The Avengers, and last time I checked, everybody loves Ultimate Spider-Man, but when they adapt things from those comics, everyone is like “That’s not Spider-Man 😭😭😭”. I get most of the fandom is from the movies, but, at least investigate more before doing a critic, please. Actually, is quite amazing how the MCU stablished Spider-Man as a controversial hero, ‘cause in the comics (both Ultimate and Amazing) is that way, he’s pretty loved and pretty hated, but never really explained why, the hate is mainly thanks to Jameson’s influence, but here is ‘cause of the Mysterio controversy, which makes a little bit more sense. Research more before doing a critic, ‘cause it’s six minutes of the video and you only mentioned the movies and tv shows, when the source material offers so much more.
Tom holland spider-man isn’t about him being loved but rather it’s about him helping people even if he doesn’t get recognized for it, like in no way home when everyone thinks he’s a menace but he still continues to fight against green goblin and the rest of the villains. Tobey and Andrew didn’t really have this problem because as you said they were loved by New York. The mcu was trying something different and in my opinion it worked. If anything, it gives more meaning to “with great power comes great responsibility” since Tom is so hated in nwh but continues to fight for the city
100% agree with you. Also this version is more comic accurate because wants to quit multiple times because of the city not liking him (that's the main meaning of "with great power comes great responsibility" as you said) but never gives up, and seeing that even the heroe has struggles makes him an even more likeable character.
Tobey had this problem in the first movie where Green Goblin claims that in spite of the good Tobey had done for the people, they would hate him eventually. Jameson was the big cause of that, trying to smear him at every turn. It was only through the act of saving children in a falling cable in public when he earned their trust, it was when his face was seen by a few people in the train he saved that he is just as normal as everyone else. Tom Holland really hasn’t done much to gain his people’s trust. Sure, he tried to save the ferry, but the people there really just gave out hollow praises and even turns their attention to iron man when he showed up. What does Tom Holland feel responsible for? Living up to iron man?
to be fair, i think it’s kinda unfair to compare the praise the other Spider-Men for the connection they have with the city when they are literally the ONLY heroes in their universe. Holland’s Spider-Man is one of the newest amongst many established heroes who have been around for around a decade. it’s also pretty accurate for people to disregard spider man and make him feel unappreciated, because he doesn’t do it for the praise he does it because it’s right even if he doesn’t get recognition.
Exactly edwind, he isn't the only Hero in his World. If Spider-Man wants to be the Face of New York he has some Big Shoes to Fill. That Role has been Taken by the Avengers. Avengers saved the Earth twice before Spider-Man even Joined them in Infinity War. The Avengers been gained New York's Respect along with the Whole World's Praise a while back, before Peter. How can you Outshine the Achievement of beating the Trickster God himself Loki and Stopping an Alien Invasion and more stuff I'm too Lazy to mention that they did? There's a reason people call the Avengers "The Earth's Mightiest Heroes". I'm not saying it's impossible for Spidey to beat the Avengers "High Score" but, it damn sure gonna take lots time and hard work to pull that Achievement off. In Society, Respect is not something people are born with. Respect ain't Free, it is Earned through putting some type of Work in. Wtf, Like Jesus Christ People. All these Peter Tingle Arguments are Tickling my 12 Inch Coc- 👁 👁 👄
That's sort of a plot point for Ciem works: Candi finds herself making a greater emotional impact everywhere except for Boonville. Most of the time, most of Boonville thinks nothing of her, no matter how much she's done for them. They don't hate her; they don't love her; they're simply...apathetic. Then again, she doesn't so much save them because she loves the city. She saves them because she doesn't want Arfaas, who killed her family, to gain the moral victory. Not that she'd be heartless otherwise; but her motivations are partially political. It's not purely out of love for the town. It's out of reverence for the higher ideals that her parents wanted the town to once symbolize. Which bleeds over into why she saves Texas several times in Sodality. Because of the abstract nature of what letting the bad guys win would lead to. But she is rarely allowed to connect with anyone personally. As such, even when she's there for Houston, they're not always there for her. She ironically has the biggest impact on Little Rock, AR - a town she never lived in!
Wow man, this is a good video. I thought you had way more subscribers like the big commentary channels. Keep up the good work and you will become a big channel! You do make some good points here, other than a few bits in Homecoming, MCU really hasn't connected with the citizens that well.
This is gonna be a lot haha 1. In Hoemcoming at the ferry, Spider-man gets a little appreciation, but then the danger increases. When iron man saves the day, they give him credit because he did most of the saving. And this directly leads to Peter’s ark in this movie, where he needs to no longer rely on Stark, but be his own hero. 2. When Spider-man “dies” in infinity war, there could be a memorial, but we don’t have time to see it. And half of the entire universe dies so I’d just like to mention he’s not the only one. 3. Maybe it’s not in-universe, but I like how his death gets a special moment, ripping at our hearts- and that’s not even a Spider-man movie 4. In Far From Home, when he stops Hydro Man (Mysterio “defeated” them anyway) nobody knows he’s Spider-man. 5. Also, Far From Home is more of a Peter Parker movie, focusing on Peter balancing his own life, even in vacation. And Europe is a change after 5.5 movies in New York 6. NO New Yorkers? At least half of the people root for him. But the movie follows the struggle, and even if they don’t blame them as a murderer, they know who he is, so he’s less of an icon 7. One thing is that he has to balance with all the other heroes. One character won’t be the heart of super hero central when they’re at least two others at a time. And it’s not like they could do anything about this 8. In Homecoming Vulture isn’t a big supervillain like electro or green goblin. He’s lower stakes, which I like especially for the bigger universe. And Mysterio was gonna kill many many people, but Spider-man did this in Europe so there’s not gonna be that New York theme. 9. By the time Peter gets back, idk if normal citizens know the story, but just a week later the entire story- with a fake twist is revealed. So there’s no time or place for appreciation then 10. Also in Homecoming, after Spider-man saves a few students, the entire school is thankful. This might not be much to the entirety of New York, but it is appreciation nonetheless. Also he motivates Flash if that says enough Although I do like the positive ending unlike with most video essays 👍🌵 Dang that’s a lot haha
Yoooo you are straight COOKIN I always saw this but I didnt ever notice it, maybe not that Peter’s slate had been reset we get a chance to see him interact with his city
I agree that it would be nice to see more appreciation from the people of New York, but I think NYC always loving and appreciating Spider-Man is a Raimi invention. In the comics, love for Spider-Man has always waxed and waned. J.J. Jameson sells newspapers on the back of hating the "webbed menace." So it's not quite as black and white as your essay might suggest. Really good observation though. I do hope he gets some love in the next trilogy. The kid deserves it. Where i think the Home trilogy falls short is in the promise of a young high-school aged Spider-Man. We didn't get enough of *high school* drama. Asking a girl to a dance and then having to flake on her was about all we got. After that other students were pretty much background decoration. We never really get Peter's high school struggles. And that was a real missed opportunity, IMO. Still love Tom, tho.
I feel like Homecoming had a good start to establishing him as a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man but FFH kinda went off the rails with his direction where the world itself wanted him to take Iron Man's place. I feel like MCU Spidey should just be a street level hero who ends up jumping into larger fray's due to it effecting New York vs he is at the front trying to be something he was never intended to be. Hopefully a new trilogy will keep him grounded and out of these massive encounters unless it is absolutely needed for him to be present. Like for the upcoming Secret Wars, MCU Spider-Man shouldn't be involved in a major way but instead (if the rumors are true) and Tobey is one of leads for the film, he could find the MCU Spidey having fallen to the Venom symbiote and he takes Andrew's Spider-Man with him to get the suit off of him and then they make him just hang back and protect what remains of New York until the crisis is done. This version is way to young to have been through what he has, him being more grounded in stories would do his character some much needed good. That's why I think Tobey and Andrew do a much better job; their Spider-Men are grounded and it's believable that they could do more but are to focused on New York. With NWH, both get thrown into a multi-versal crisis and actually do amazingly well.
I agree with mostly everything other then when spiderman died in the mcu. Your point would make more sense if he was like the only one that died or apart of a group of heros that died but like half of the planet died. Most people would realistically be going through mourning over the multiple friends and family that they just lost. That point just didn’t really click for me other then that this was a cool vid.
i actually think tom is the 60s era spiderman where the city hates Spider-man and jonah jamesson is against spiderman and peter's in high school with ned, mj and betty being his classmates, where tobey is the 90s Spider-Man era dating mary jane and gwen as an adult and harry becoming green goblin, Garfield is the Ultimate Spider-man run of the character with oscorp heavily infuencing the tasmverse.
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tu bro all I’m saying is that all of three actors had a spider man moment and all of them are a friendly neighborhood spider man and plus I don’t see the comparison in the three because each interpretation of character is different with different story’s being told
I like Tom Holland Spider-Man but sometimes it feels wierd Spider-Man being Robin in the Infinity Saga like most people call him Iron Boy Jr. Spider-Man in the MCU is more of a sidekick rather than a lone superhero. Before I watch MCU movies I watch The Raimi films, The Avengers: EMH, Spectacular Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers: Assemble and when I first saw the MCU Spider-Man I used to think it was The Amazing Spider-Man because one Aunt May looking like a step mom rather than aunt may in the comics. There's nothing wrong with Tom Holland but I wish they had Spider-Man's character arc be a little bit like the comics like knowing the great power comes great responsibility in the infinity saga and not his character arc come from Iron Man. Well atleast he's better than Spider-Man from the 2017 cartoon because Peter in the MCU doesn't always get help for example He fought Vulture by himself he fought Thanos with no effort even kicking his face he held the infinity gauntlet (he didn't snap) he defeated Dr. Strange by using Math he prevented Bucky from punching his face he stand alone fighting Mysterio and Peter defeating Dr. Strange just show that he could defeat other Marvel heroes when he can.
I do agree with you, a lot of people like to argue his experience yet he was already Spider-Man for around 2 and a half/3 years before he got snapped. And like to argue how there are way larger profiled heroes with things that make them viewed higher such as a god like Thor but that is something I always felt is something Spider-Man has been through you know?
Has nothing to do with that. Even if the Iron Boy Jr jokes are done (a community created thing the MCU brought to their movie bc of how viral the dislike for their Spider-Man) it does not change anything from the video or my previous comment you know?@@Teenpool2009
@@Axe_Fax yeah I respect anyone's opinion I mean when I see spider man in the MCU I thought it was Andrew Garfield being recasted because his too old but yet it's another different Spider-Man. I was expecting Peter's character in the MCU be more like the comics because I can always relate to Spider-Man but I'm not sure if I could relate much to the MCU Spider-Man also he doesn't really feel like Spider-Man or a legendary hero his more of a robin type sidekick of Iron Man
Remember that scene in Spider-Man 3 before the final battle, the flag scene where the citizens cheer for him as he appears. Moments like that or something.
That's probably why the mcu was reset with Doctor Strange. It gives him the time to shine as his own hero and step out of Iron mans shadows, which i think has always held Tom holland Spiderman back. I love all the tom holland saga of movies but I would definitely agree that he lacks his own identity as a hero, he goes from a side kick to goofy kid with powers and its really disappointing. I think what really rubbed salt in the wound for everyone is far from home. He seems to regress from everything he learned from liz allen in homecoming. In far from home he is so fixated on asking MJ out its pretty insulting to the identy of spidermans responsibility. I mean he doesnt even want to bring his suit with him to Venice he could not care about being Spider-Man. I think its just do to the writing however. People responed well to homecoming because it was more of a goofy movie and they wanted to replicate it with far from home and its really unfortunate because its really just the same movie without any of the charecter progression. And no way home is just fan service for spiderman fans so we just get very basic story filler and peter really doesnt evolve until we get the scene with Aunt May.
In my perspective Tom Holland’s Spiderman is lil bro. You can tell Toby and Andrew’s Spiderman, even Miles Morales, takes on a leadership role within themselves before being a leader to the people. “Nah, I’ma do my own thing.” They’ve also experienced pain to grow. I’m not sure I see that in MCU spidey.
As much as I loved Tobey and Andrew's films, there was always something missing from Tom's that I couldn't quite put my finger on. It was a lack of authenticity, presence, and spirit. I couldn't (and still can't) understand how Tom's movies are so popular and made so much money. I never understood why I felt any of this... until your video. You nailed EXACTLY why Tom is not my Spider-Man. Thank you for finally giving me the answer.
I used to feel this way until NWH. I think as annoying as uncle Ben being replaced with tony is, I think the story is the same but with a different person. I think by the end of NWH he became his own
They have an opportunity in spiderman 4 to give the mcu spidey his first truly solo film, without other mcu characters, without gimmicks, being loyal to the essence of the character. Let's hope they make a change.
I absolutely agree. Hopefully with the next three films and three cameos in other hero films, there will be more of a relationship between him and the city. I’d really like to see him have a full movie just in the city as well. I feel like MCU Spider-Man’s movies so far haven’t truly taken place in the city yet.
Honestly, considering everything that has happened with the character lately, I would not be surprised if Tom Holland made just one more film in which Miles Morales will be introduced. I believe the MCU would also want to establish Miles as the main Spider-Man in the future
@@angrym0nkeysh0w oh shut up you know I'm speaking fax y'all just need to accept that there is no bad adaptation of three we all have our favorites of the three but that doesn't mean two of them are bad bruh💀
Is MCU Spider-Man even Peter Parker? Or is he just a random amalgamation of a good-boy superhero themed character with the name Peter Parker stamped on him?
I feel like that kinda the point if mcu spidey. He’s been to caught up in the big leagues and ignores the city. There are hints of it here and there, but I think that’s what Andrew and Toby made him realise. You can see Witt him getting rid of the stark tech and making his own suit. I could be completely wrong but I bet the next movie will be him connecting to the city.
You say no one cares when spider man dies in the MCU but brother, half the fucking universe died... I feel like people had more going on than just spiderman dying. He wasn't even the only superhero who died there was like 8 that died that day
You have to remember there was a plan for this Spider-Man to merge with Sony meaning potentially 6 films, so to extend the lesson of great power great responsibility is good storytelling, I think they could have potentially made it clearer he’s not Spider-Man and this is effectively a origin trilogy to being Spider-Man. but when the penny dropped with what they where trying to do, by having the past Spider-Man to guide him be the last puzzle is soo unique and was a very effective experience when I left the cinema, if he’s the more traditional Spider-Man we know in the next instalments im sure we’ll look back on the first three fondly and I impressed with their direction. Also could argue it’s more realistic he wasn’t the Peter we know as he is a young teen and I’m a adult and I still struggle to be responsible often.
i believe you are wrong as he is a very faithful depiction of the character and his core traits with his own unique attributes that make this version of the character worthwhile
Suddenly everyone wants to act like they weren't riding Holland's Spidey back in 2016 even when a lot of us were saying he was never a great version of Spider-Man.
Tom holland is not Spider-Man I don’t care what anyone says read the ultimate Spider-Man comics if you wanna see what Tom holland’s version is Spider-Man is QUITE LITERALLY supposed to be based off of, and they are completely different night and day characters and don’t even get me started on the MCU aunt may like wtf bruh 💀 you can’t have aunt may used as a fucking sex joke for 3 movies and then try to have her have a emotional death sort of like an uncle Ben moment, not to mention that means the moment in civil war where Peter tells tony about “when you have the powers I do and don’t do anything and then the bad things happen… they happen because of you” meant nothing… because uncle Ben never told him with great power comes great responsibility like wtf 🤦🏽♂️ these mfs really fucked up his whole character go rewatch tom’s trilogy and tell me if that’s spider-man because we do not know the same Spider-Man. I know i shouldn’t be taking it this seriously but damn it’s just sad seeing a character you grew up loving turned in to this
I think if Sony let Marvel use spider-man in more projects he could’ve built more of a connection to the city, but it just kinda sucks that they’re so protective over him. I still do love the MCU movies tho!
That montage in Homecoming was the only time Tom remotely resembled the “friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man”
That deleted scence from ffh when he interacted with the cops
That scene from the nwh extended cut when he stopped a thief
@@okand6770 yeah that *deleted* scene
No there's more
@@okand6770 yeah
@@YodaOnABender ok
Every iteration of the character gets this response from SOMEONE.
It’s like a broken record only us fogies recognize as background noise.
I feel like a reason why it’s like this is because his movies are based off huge threats instead of small scale stuff and because in his universe he’s just a a kid in red and blue tights in a city with aliens and way more powerful heros who’ve been there longer.
Thank you, finally someone with a brain that See's the bigger picture.
The movies themselves domt depict spiderman as good. Tom is the only reason spidey is good his story and script are terrible but Tom is an amazing Peter and spidey
@@BigJim_II Heavily disagree. The Story for both Homecoming and Far From Home were amazing, No Way Home while enjoyable still had a lot of plot holes.
The issue with MCU movies post 2016 (with the exception of maybe Black Panther) is they care less about diving deep into character's and personality, and focus more on overall MCU story arc. This iteration of Spiderman was more involved with saving the Universe (from Thanos) rather than NYC. Homecoming brought him into the suburbs and DC, and FFH in London, and in NWH, even though it. was a NYC story, the whole world turned him on.
Honestly thank you for saying this. It was exactly what needed to be said. When it came to the impact of Toby’s Spider-Man, it was leagues above what we have gotten today.
That part
Tobey Maguire was a much better Spiderman than Tom Holland, but Tom's Peter Parker is LEAGUES more likable that Tobey's Peter.
Mcu Spider-Man always felt kinda off to me
100% agree
Thats cuz MCU Spidey isn't Spidey, he's Iron Boy Jr. Hopefully after the soft reboot of No Way Home, we'll get a more accurate Spidey
Not really
@@prolastmedia6171ok that's wrong but no way home already did that
@@Axe_Faxnah
you’re high-key right honestly, something always felt off about him and this was one of the big reasons
A true fan would love all three spiderman equally not say which one is worse and be grateful that they exist.(grow up)
@@StarBrickAnimations grow up? this is a valid criticism to tom holland's spider-man. I think you should be the one to grow up and be open minded to these kinds of criticism. People like you are one of the reasons why they don't even try to fix mcu spider-man
@@ashgrey7307 still these valid criticisms does not make Tom Holland Spider-Man a bad adaptation y'all are okay with a Japanese Spider-Man with a robot but not a techy avenger-ish Spider-Man like Tom Holland?!
@@StarBrickAnimations That wasn't the problem, even the original animated show shows how techy spider-man is but the difference is with tom holland is he doesn't feel like the main character in his own movie and we barely see him be like spider-man, he's always just a kid that doesn't know what he's doing
@@ashgrey7307 yeah I guess that's fair but come on he's not a bad adaptation
To be fair, considering the Home trilogy is the high school era, it should be said that Spider-Man was no one’s beacon or inspiration by that point in the comics. And not even in the following era, for that matter. The Connors family, Robbie Robertson and Captain Stacy were pretty much the only ones who truly appreciated him and saw him as a hero. The rest of the city was either indifferent, hostile or at best slightly encouraging. And that was exactly Peter’s main struggle in the beginning: the centuries old dilemma of whether or not being a hero is worth it, if nobody sees and praises you as one.
And there goes the main argument of the video
Thank you for saying what wanted to, you summed it up beautifully in a way I don’t think I could.
I love how this comment perfectly counters the video its under. More likes plz
But why doesn’t these stories focus on the people of New York and their viewpoint. Very little do we get screen time that focuses on the people that Peter saves, we get a few, but typically those scenes play out as jokes rather than crucial moments that help push the story along. Hell you didn’t even mention how Far From Home had literally none of that because he was in a different country. None of these films focus on that aspect of the character, and when they do it gets no pay off.
@@Ismatic1906 there was a fair amount in Homecoming. FFH didn't have any cuz it took place in Europe. NWH had a fair amount in the first half. The people of New York were present, and were shown. However, it isn't as intimate as the previous films cuz in those films, Spider Man was the only hero around. While in the MCU, there like 50 different heroes. That's not an issue with the movies themselves, rather it's not really that big of a deal. But I feel this part will play more of a role in the next trilogy with now most of the A list heroes either dead or focusing on the multiverse or cosmic parts. Only people like Spider Man, Daredevil, Hawkeye, and Echo are let to defend the streets against actual crime (not Kate Bishop after that Marvels PC scene).
I also believe it's a unique live action take where Peter is looked upon with hostility rather than warmth, which the other Spider Man films never showed. That could be an interesting story beat.
Let's put it this way, i can kinda see why they haven't shown this yet in the mcu. In the mcu they've been more focused on showing Spiderman figuring out how to truly be Spiderman, the first movie showed him learning to embrace his inner strength, the second showed him becoming his own thing, and the third showed him fully becoming Spiderman. So now Disney can show him building trust with the people and becoming a hero people love. He just hadn't gotten to that point yet.
I just think 3 movies to develop him to level that every Spidey has had through one movie is too much. I also think you are forgetting that Spider-Man HOMECOMING is what made Spidey is own thing. Far From Home just recycles that in a less needed storyline.
@@Axe_FaxThat's not entirely true. At the end of Homecoming, he did learn that he needs to stay on the ground for awhile and not be like Tony. In Far From Home, he is learning to trust himself and his instincts.
@@Axe_Faxyour missing the point of the entire trilogy😂😂🤦♂️
@@Axe_Fax In the comics spider-man isn't exactly an 'insparational icon' he's more hated (like Hollands spider-man) and he's a smaller hero between many others so ppl don't care about him as much (like in Hollands trilogy). He's made the face of NY in other projects because Sony can only use spider-man and no other heroes. That's why they made Venom and Morbius antiheroes. You think he's adored by the public because there are more stand alone spider-man movies than in the MCU, so you think that that's the way he should be, when in fact it isn't. Also there's a smaller connection between Hollands spider-man and NY because he travels more and isn't limited to NY. Him helping more ppl isn't a problem, it's more realistic. If spider-man would exist he would probably move around too cause not all the crime is in NY and other places with higher crime rates need his help more.
I guess
The worst part is people use the excuse that all 6 of his movie appearances in the MCU are his origin story…even though the main thing they praised when Civil War and Homecoming came out was that it skipped the origin. So the trade off is 6 whole movies vs barely 30 minutes for an origin story. That’s the other lamest thing about this version of the character. Nothing from his actual comic book origin matters until the second half of the final movie in his 6 appearances. Ben Parker doesn’t even matter in this universe. Uncle Ben is the driving force behind what makes Spider-Man a good guy. Without him AND May, Peter would have been a villain. A version of Spider-Man where Ben Parker isn’t Peter’s inspiration to be a good man is no Spider-Man to me.
My favorite thing about spider-man is that when he’s interacting with New York citizens he’s basically interacting with us… the way the people love him is a direct reflection of how much we love him in real life but without even having the context of knowing his story. It’s awesome and wholesome
After your points, I have to agree. The trilogy so far could've really been improved in terms of introducting Spider-Man. But that still doesn't stop me personally from loving his movies.
As I said in the video if you think what was shown in the MCU works for you and its smth you love thats great and I respect your opinion. More importantly, am very thankful that you watched the entire video and hope you enjoyed it!
You know the sad part is there's a deleted scene in the 2nd movie of him beating the mob and had funny banter with the cops. The MCU CHOOSE to not include that. Mind you it's only one scene but it'll definitely help his image
Tom's Spider-Man is missing a crucial scene that the other two have: New York Citizens assisting in defeating the villain. Andrew and Tobey are both shown support and gratitude by the city through this. In Spider-Man 1, the civilians on the bridge throw stuff at Goblin to buy him time to save MJ and the Trolley, while garbagemen drive their boat to give him a safe platform. And after its done, everyone cheers. The icing on the cake is one lime said by a civilian "You mess with Spider-Man you mess with new York. If its one of us, its all of us". And the crane scene in ASM1. The construction workers know spider man is injured and is trying to stop Lizard. So they create web slinging points with their cranes to help him get there faster. They even shout on their PA that new York has his back. But Tom's. They IMMEDIATELY turn on him and treat him like garbage. But I don't blame the writing. Its mostly cause of how we as people changed in the last two decades. People believe everything they see on social media even if its a lie. This proves Mysterio's "believe" speech and Goblin's "hate you" points. People will turn on you on a whim to suit their wants and needs
it’s fairly comic accurate though, in most incarnations new york and the people as a whole view spider-man as a weirdo and a nuisance due to jameson’s rants and overtime they learn to love and appreciate spidey
@@hyoroga86 I would argue that in-universe and chronologically it make sense why Spiderman has not yet built a public persona. This Spiderman seem to have spent most of his time dealing with low-level crooks and throughout the MCU most of Spiderman's heroism are not publicly known especially in the case of Homecoming where he stopped major heists at night.
MCU Spidey movies always feel so isolated, I feel like I never get to experience the world around him and his environment. The only time I've ever felt that with MCU Spidey was the small montage in homecoming, where that guy tells him to do a flip. These movies all feel like they're shot on a soundstage, and the people in the background are all NPC's not actually people. I feel like I never see Tom save random civilians.
MCU Spider man is just Iron Man jr.
Iron boy jr
No he isn't, he's just associated with Ironman that's it. Not every Spiderman needs to be a broke guy with girl issues
@@ArishemTheJudge-19 Yeah something an Iron boy jr would say.
@@Huey101Shots Something a Tobey Glazer would say
@@ArishemTheJudge-19 Something a iron boy jr would say in response to the mvp
This is the reason I love the spider-man games. First game was peter 8 years into spider-man, he's been helping people and did his best. The people were with him, even when the worst happened. Feast, his friends and ordinary people. He may have became sable's most wanted at the end but that didn't stop him from helping. Even two of his villains know who Spider-man is under the mask and they didn't tell anyone.
There were times where it felt Shocker and Electro some what respected him. Electro and Spider-man bantering, or Herman not wanting to hurt him in the first place during the chance but he felt like he had no choice due to Mr Negative's threats and Spider-man just chasing him. We even see Tombstone excited that he could feel something again during and after his boss fight.
The fact people on the street compliment him, that he can interact with them. Even the side missions you can do with Howard feel like this is how a Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-man should feel like. He gets support from Police, his loved ones and randoms alike. Even during the dlc, Spider-man just orders a damn pizza, knows the owners name and the owner knows exactly where it needs to go to be collected. He gains Silver Sable's respect, and the two work together to fight off Hammer Head.
In the second game, although a few missions can be done as Peter or Miles. Many of them feel right to do as Peter, the Howard mission there is depressing but heart warming. The Emt's are respectful to Peter, try to bring him comfort. The mission with the grand pa Peter just sits with the guy until the grand daughter can reach them. The photographer, Peter just helps her try to get a great shot. He knows he can't save everyone, but he tries his best to. Even if it means him going down with them. We even see some reformed villains care more about him than they ever had in the first place.
I know this can all change in the next few movies, how he can gain the respect and support of the people just by doing what he can. But for right now, Tom Holland spider man isn't a friendly neighbour hood spider man. He's just Spider Man, until he gets moments like the other versions got, from movies to cartoons. Only then he can be considered A Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.
Sorry if I spoiled the second game a bit for some people but it's been out for over a month.
" Tom Holland is Not a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-man " No, Of couse not. But its not his fault, it's Feige's fault. He and MCU people who doesn't know what to do with him, if he should be Iron Man Jr, or the New face of Marvel Studios, or the young hero who barely is beginning to introduce the world. Its a crazy caos.
I agree, I am not too happy on how he has been handling things either
I agree but he was/is supposed to be the original face of Marvel. Now their just smearing dirt in his eyes.
@@Axe_Fax I think MCU is taking pages from Ultimate Comics, where Spiderman is seen as this controversial or wildcard hero that New Yorkers largely don't fully trust
@@Axe_Fax , i blame fiege for causing tasm 3 to be cancelled and reboot spidey into the mcu.
spider man should be the focus and face of the mcu after iron man yet they dont do it and do this pulling game with sony
I completely agree with everything you said and I hope they stay truer to the character going forward, but I also gotta say I think it’s great how unique his origin story has been. We’ve seen the comic accurate story done twice already and sending Spider-Man to space, having him fight Thanos and die, come back, fight a wizard, open the multiverse and learn the “with great power comes great responsibility line” from variants of himself is a damn cool origin story. This Peter has been through a lot of really weird crap. Admittedly those kinds of things are less central to the core of the character, but they also do represent the weirder sides of comics that the older films never even dared to.
I wanna correct myself before anybody else does, I know May is the one who says the line but it’s the other Peters who really drive it home for him.
Had that been the intent from the from the start, I would have been happy with that, but the problem is that it leaves an even larger disconnect between how he’s portrayed in Civil War and how he is in Homecoming. According to his dialogue with Tony in CW, he already had a sense of responsibility. From Homecoming onward, he is portrayed as less capable and less responsible (not sure why, but alas). Due to CW, having 6:16 NWH serve as the completion of his origin through May makes Peter look like an idiot for needing to learn this lesson AGAIN. This trilogy works much better if CW Spidey didn’t exist 😭
Venom: “AT LAST! YOU ARE FINALLY HATED SPIDERMAN! NO ONE LOVES YOU! NOT EVEN US!”
Finally. Everybody says this one is so good but he's MID at best. I DONT CARE if Stan said he was the best one. He isn't. In the comics spiderman can stick to anything. In the movies all he can stick to is Tony Starks Nutz.
Wow, real mature. You guys like GLAZING the everliving shit out of Tobey's Peter Parker MEAT even though he's insurable and can't stand up for himself and lusts for a girl that Cheats on him every other Tuesday. Tom's Peter is so much more endearing and lovable. 🥱
@@ArishemTheJudge-19tobey is loved cuz its a good spider movie. Tom's movies are terrible for spidermans character. He himself is a really good Peter and spider but script ruins it. Has nothing to do with the actor
@@BigJim_II First of all, I never said anything about Tobey or Tom Holland as actors.
Second, Tom's Spiderman is so much more entertaining and lovable as a Peter Parker while Tobey's Peter almost put me to sleep with how bland and BORING his Character was. Ironically the only time he was ever entertining was when he got the black suit and become Bully Maguire.
Third, the movies themsleves are just fine with the only amazing one being Spiderman 2. Tom's movies are so much more entertaining not only due to his performance as Spiderman but all the suporting characters.
@@BigJim_II See, he gets it.
Most Tom haters are Tom haters, not Watts haters.
Don't hate Tom, hate Watts and the script-writers.
@ArishemTheJudge-19 so a movie is all about entertaining nowadays that's why shows like Boys work?? Gone are the days when we used to get a positive influence from Movies!! And learn a lot of things which our society failed to teach!!
Although Andrew's Spiderman had a perfect mix/Balance of Entertainment and Impact!! But Tobey will always be the G.O.A.T!! Tom's future looked bright until Sony announced SM-4 to be Multiversal level!!
The first 3 MCU Spiderman movies are his origin story. The next trilogy could be like the others.
Taking it's time with it for three pretty meh to alright movies.
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tuwaste of a trilogy
A BIG issue with this is that MCU Spiderman (Peter Parker) is adaptaion of SPIDERMAN'S (MILES') comic story. Meaning that Peter is comic Miles. This also means if anyone wants to create a Miles Morales story without the multiverse, they will face HUGE problems with the MCU.
Tom Holland,s spider-man should have been mentort by steve Rogers
Would have been very interesting for sure
He still could. Cap isn't dead. Just old.
He should. Like really. In 2016 he literally said "big fan" but my goodness, MCU really throws away all the possible elements for Tom's spiderman development in vain
7:24 i love that part in the movie, like the detail of Peter already having his hand there to catch the rock but it getting caught my Matt Murdock is so cool to see, THEY dont know Matt is Daredevil yet but he already showed his ability.
Then we got insomniac Spiderman and miles who are the sole definition of friendly neighborhood spider
Miles is trash
@@randomPATTA-ICICLEinto,across the spider verse miles>>>MCU iron boy jr.
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tuFirst, He's just associated with Ironman. Tony was kind of an adopted Father figure to Peter.
Also, Tom's Peter is in a world where the Avengers are the premier Superheroes unlike Into/across the Spiderverse miles.
In short it just hasn’t happened yet. Yes he should be appreciated for what he does but that rarely happens even in reality.
The whole "The trilogy was supposed to be his origin" argument always seemed off to me cause No Way Home felt very much like a last minute script change, it wasn't set up at any point throughout his movies and the cliffhanger from Far From Home pretty much became forgotten a few minutes after the opening.
100% agree with all of this, I also think that this being the full origin story contradicts their whole pitch for Homecoming of "everyone knows his origin so lets skip that and just get to Spidey stories". They're just very clearly trying to cope imo with the fact that people didn't like these movies as much as Marvel thought they would.
@@Axe_Faxi think in across the verse it is explained that fate of all spiderman and peter parker fate are connected and will result to one way
Death of uncle ben and peter being poor
So thats why tom had same thing happened what happened to tobey and andrew
@@michaeljosephjackson2364Eh not really. One of the biggest issues with MCU SM is the fact that he doesn't have an origin so the purpose for why he's a hero doesn't exist and they just force him into the roles without properly writing him. Also I wouldn't take what Across the Spiderverse says too seriously because that movie has a bunch of problems people dont see or want to talk about.
I love mcu spiderman but your 100% right.
I’ve been thinking this for awhile but I didn’t know if anyone else felt that way. The people of NYC mourn the death of a tech bazillionare CEO (which if you’ve been to NYC, LMAO) who likely has never interacted with any of them in any significant way. But Spider-Man who is a regular at helping people and interacting with them on a personal level doesn’t inspire any community loyalty? Hell no, that’s so backwards. Just looking at the memes people make of the avengers causing property destruction and how nobody would want to live in the MCU because of that prove this lol.
Imagine if insurance says they don’t want to cover ”villain insurance” for “high risk areas” where you live and Iron man is too busy being Iron Man and the only person who can help you is Spider-Man who IS one of you and not somebody who lives a vastly different lifestyle. The MCU Spider-Man movies feel very out of touch with reality.
I 100% agree, and I think you also gave a whole other perspective to this topic which I really like.
I agree with you on all this while I do love Tom Holland’s Spider-Man I felt to as if his spidey doesn’t get the most care like the other two in these movies it’s not the same as when Andrew and tobey played theres
To be fair that tech billionaire did save the universe from a tyrant
honestly i think partly one of the reasons peter wasn't mentioned in the city after he died in IW was due to licensing? but i'm probably wrong.
That "bazillionare CEO" Fucking saved the world
I can give a clear reason in one sentence, unlike Tobey's or Andrew's spiderman, Tom's spiderman lives in a world with other heroes who get more attention than a kid tryna his hardest to help, don't go talking bs like this without using ya brain.
Him living a world with other heroes doesn't stop him from getting attention plus his flat brain self sure as hell got attention in far from home and no way home
@@bossmine3997It doesn't stop it entirely, but it would affect his popularity a lot
@@SubParGames_ that's dumb because no names like mysterio gets attention so it's clear that these changes are badly written especially spiderman
I'm new to your channel but when I watched this video I knew you knew the character of Spider-Man deeply and you understand the character on so many levels. I agree with everything you said about Spidey being a beacon of hope for the people of NY and inspiring the citizens of NY, I also agree with everything else you said especially about MCU Spider-Man which I love but I understand your point of view and where you are coming from. John Watts did say that the MCU Spider-Man trilogy was the origin story meaning Peter still has more character development to undergo so maybe the next trilogy can show how he's becoming the heart of NY and becoming that beacon of hope for NY.
Love to hear you enjoyed the video bro, I as well am very looking forward to the MCU's future with Spider-Man and whats to come in Spider-Man 4, possible video idea??? XD
@@Axe_Fax Thanks for liking and commenting on my comment, were all Spider-Man fans and I'm glad to share my thoughts and hear everyone else's thoughts as well. I am so excited for the future of MCU Spider-Man, I was already excited when I saw the ending of Spider-Man NWH (the final swing scene) because it was so classic and so Spider-Man to me. The apartment, the classic suit, Peter listening to the police radio frequency screamed Spider-Man IMO. Peter now knows that with great power there must also come great responsibility which he learned from May and the 2 other Spider-Men so his origin is complete. A MCU Spider-Man 4 video would be great in my opinion, you could talk about what you want to see in the film, potential villains, storylines, Peter being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man in NY and him dealing with rent issues just like in the comics.
@@Axe_Fax The thing is, in the comics, Peter during his high school days was in no way an inspiration to the people of NY. He was a pariah that the people didn’t understand. Peter in his early comics was kind of a jerk who resented the world and struggled with the responsibility of being Spider-Man. It’s only his later comics and the movies that portray Spider-Man as an inspiration and a symbol of hope to the people. Considering Tom’s trilogy takes place during his high school era, I find no problem with him being shunned by the people of New York, at least for now.
@@fegreninja7197 But he’s barely shunned he’s more so ignored, but that’s mostly because the movies don’t develop that section of the story at all. Typically in storylines like this, where Peter is supposed to question his role as Spider-Man, he finds people who care about him, people who will stand by him. We don’t get any of that, and that’s what’s supposed to make Peter interesting. Everything up to this point feels like the writers stumbled into a situation where they could act like this was all intentional but it doesn’t feel like it was. We see how some people are annoyed and how some people enjoyed Spider-Man helping people but the city never progressed past that needed level of nuance.
I hate Tom's Spider-Man, he is complete garbage and the fact he needed so much set up to get to where the other iterations were is laughable.
He does nothing to exist outside of the Avengers or Iron Man. He is so reliant on others in order to be relevant just makes it sad. Like cmon his 1st villain wasn't created due to his own actions, Vulture was a byproduct of The battle of new York/iron man, Mysterio a rejected stark worker and now with NWH he banked off the nostalgia of previous iterations and their rouges providing nothing more than cameos and fan service.
I'm skeptical Tom's can be anything more and my god another trilogy.
“does nothing to exist outside the avengers”
he was stopping small crimes and doing neighborhood deeds before meeting any of the avengers. he denied being on the avengers so he could keep helping out the neighborhood. the only time he goes to help out the avengers is when the entire planet is at risk via thanos.
most spider-man villains have beef with oscorp or some other third party and develop a hate for spider-man because of his meddling. doc ock in spider-man 2 only wanted to finish his reactor and spider-man kept intervening. lizard in tasm only wanted to “better the world” until spider-man kept intervening. vulture wanted revenge until spider-man kept intervening.
the whole arc in nwh was him forgetting his morals after all the pressure of the world turning on him gets to him. He becomes selfish and would rather condemn the villains to death than save them and only does through his aunt reminding him of the morals he stood on. the same he stood on when he decided to miss homecoming with his dream girl to stop the vulture(who he saved from almost getting himself killed). you need to rewatch these movies with a more open eye as they’re great spider-man films (ffh is a little lame though)
This captured a lot of things to be desired about MCU Spider-Man but in the same time it’s not entirely correct since Tom is THE most friendly neighborhood Spider-Man out of them all, let me explain
In homecoming, most of the movie was him helping out the little ones. Helping an old lady with the directions, being friendly around his neighborhoods, he feels more down to earth as he doesn’t feel like a symbol of hope, rather feels like a regular guy who’s trying to do good, remember Spider-Man was never created so he can resemble hope (that came as a secondary thing) he was created to be relatable, last I checked u don’t get people looking up to u and think they’re safe right? Same scenario here. heck in earth 616, not everyone appreciated him for what he was doing in fact, in one of his comics, he was holding the daily bugle on his shoulders so it doesn’t collapse, EVERYONE saw what he did, yet not everyone thinks he’s a hero despite literally seeing him stop a literal skyscraper from falling right on top of their heads. after saving them all right in front of their eyes, JJJ’s immediate first reaction to that was to tell the cops to “arrest him”, MCU Spider-Man was also created in a world where superheroes were doing this job before him unlike his comic counterpart where he was just as experienced as his fellow heroes were.
another thing worth mentioning is that MCU Spidey is also in a world where superheroes r common,some of them r literal gods too, so in there perspective y would they look at a guy in spider costume and feel hope when they can look at bigger superheroes who have been on the job for longer and against larger threats?
I am not saying there needs to be appreciation from everyone in NYC but just have us see moments of them showing it would be great which the MCU does not. Ik the reference you are making from the comics which is a source that at least has given us what the MCU has not. He may not be as experienced as people like Iron Man or Thor but is still an experienced Super Hero at the time who has been fighting crime for several years before he was snapped. He may be in a universe with all these heroes but thats not a new thing for Spider-Man to experience, he may j be a superhuman in a spider costume but he is one that is meant to always be there for NYC when a lot of these big heroes are not while also being there for the big events to help save the day. Thats why NYC should have this appreciation for him.
@@Axe_Fax Peter isn't the only superhero in New York tho, another thing that made people not appreciate him much also I forgot to mention something else, about no one mourning for Spider-Man when he blipped that's cuz they didn't mourn for any superhero heck the entire half of the world just disappeared without any warning
He's not relatable and acts very ignorant in order to drive the plot. He does use gen z humor, but is a bad carbon copy of what life as a teenager is like. This Peter Parker is basically Stark's sugar baby. He trusted a man he just met with glasses that were a gift from Tony Stark. If he never gave the glasses, there would be no plot. Though I guess since this Spider man has an unreliable spider sense, someone may have been able to steal the glasses. Then, in the next movie, he goes on to trust villains for the sake of the plot. It was unrealistic since he had no background knowledge on them.
@@anakerendoofenshmertz9985 literally what?? U must not be high-school if u think he's not relatable, bro all what stark does to Peter is giving him a suit and the rest is Peter doing his own thing, he constantly disobeys him, am I the only one who understood what happened with Mysterio?? Wasn't Nick Fury the guy who introduced Mysterio and his back story to Peter, it's known that Nick never trusts anyone so when he LITERALLY introduces another superhero to u, you'd obviously believe it, blame the damn skrull disguised as Nick, he's the 1 who made Peter fall for it
@@swordchannelfires He reminds me more of a child than a teenager sometimes. Even if Nick Fury introduced him to Mysterio, there's no reason why Peter should give the glasses to him. So, the only reason he did it was to further the plot. Also, I don't like how Spiderman became Iron Man's subordinate. Spiderman should have been able to make his own suit and not rely on so much technology. The other two live-action Spiderman's sewed their suit together. The only invention this Peter has made was the web shooter and the web fluid.
I guess all it takes is a actor that looks and acts like the character and not for the actual movies be like the comics
for me personally never did much for me
& all fiarness, Tom Holland has NEVER been my Spider-Man to begin with in my high school days, when I related to Spectacluar Spider-Man (2008) more than I ever did with Tom Holland's Peter Parker.
In the MCU's defense, Spider-Man was relatively new. In Queens, he was a little more known because he lived there. But in the Spider-Man comics and the movies before MCU, he was more of a loner. Therefore, his image could shine. In the MCU, he joined a cast of superheroes and WANTED to be part of a team...which is something the REAL Spider-Man is vehemently against lol. So he immediately joins in with a group of heroes who don't even have a secret identity: Tony Stark's Ironman, Thor is his real name and everybody knows he is an alien god from Asgard (Remember he was taking pictures with people on the street and they said "Sorry Jane dumped you." Mind you, LOKI, who CAUSED NYC's DESTRUCTION was STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM), Steve Rogers is Captain America, James Rhodes is part of the MILITARY so...there's that, and Black WIdow's and Hulk's information became public knowledge after Winter Soldier. The only guy who is stopping his name from becoming special among New Yorkers here IS Spider-Man because he is hiding from even his own teammates by not revealing his identity to anyone. So more than this being this iteration of Spider-Man that is different... ...I would say that Spider-Man just doesn't WORK in the MCU because they are too interconnected. The way they made him in No Way Home was great. Now he isn't part of any team, nobody knows him, and now he CAN build that trust with the common people of NYC.
Spiderman actually a Avenger the comics. He was a loaner, but he was still part of the team. Spiderman is also The most popular Marvel superhero so making all these necessary changes was very needed. It's just not a good argument you can have a Universe were the Avengers exist an still go with the original story.
@@FB-nw8pp Spider-Man is a PART TIME Avenger. Most of the Avengers missions, Spider-Man isn’t part of them directly. So no, just saying he is an Avenger doesn’t mean his personality is that of “Go team.” In fact, Spider-Man doesn’t even reveal his identity to The Avengers in the comics 😂. Only a set few know who he really is.
Still better than Lotus😂
Like that is hard to be LMAO
Great video. It's funny to me how all the MCU stans are like "this was his high school trilogy" without realising that this was clearly a retroactive decision
Homecoming was the closest MCU Spider-Man had to being the friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man but even that was going directly against the show, don’t tell rule. I’m hoping that’s gonna be touched upon in Spider-Man 4.
“The multiverse tho”
He may be not your friendly neighborhood spiderman, but he's out friendly neighborhood spiderman.
While I understand where your coming from with your point. But 5:50 just proves why it isn't that valid. People keep forgeting that MCU Spiderman is in fact in the MCU, where other Heros such as Cpatain Amercia, Thor and Ironman have been established for years before Peter even got his powers. So of course people are gonna love and mourn Ironman (a well estabilshed Hero goes been around for almost a decade) more than Spiderman (a 15yr old kid who's been Spiderman for like a a few Months).
Also, not every single Spiderman story has to take place in New Tork City, that's why I love MCU Spiderman, they did something different with him while still making him a lovable, relatable and well-written Character.
I think it ultimately comes down to wether you like the MCU adaptaion with it's changes or not. I personally think he was masterfully crafted but If you don't agree with that I completely respect your Opinion.
You actually missed the part that, actually, Spider-Man isn’t a loved icon by everyone. I don’t like Iron Man, but dude, how can you expect people to cry Spider-Man’s death when he’s been around for like 2 years and Iron Man for 15 years? Seriously, how can you compare? I cannot stand against Iron Man, but really, doesn’t really makes sense.
Other point, yeah, Spider-Man is a loved icon, but not by everyone, in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, the guy is pretty much underestimated, and an outcast, a “minor hero”, compared to the The Avengers, and last time I checked, everybody loves Ultimate Spider-Man, but when they adapt things from those comics, everyone is like “That’s not Spider-Man 😭😭😭”. I get most of the fandom is from the movies, but, at least investigate more before doing a critic, please. Actually, is quite amazing how the MCU stablished Spider-Man as a controversial hero, ‘cause in the comics (both Ultimate and Amazing) is that way, he’s pretty loved and pretty hated, but never really explained why, the hate is mainly thanks to Jameson’s influence, but here is ‘cause of the Mysterio controversy, which makes a little bit more sense.
Research more before doing a critic, ‘cause it’s six minutes of the video and you only mentioned the movies and tv shows, when the source material offers so much more.
Tom holland spider-man isn’t about him being loved but rather it’s about him helping people even if he doesn’t get recognized for it, like in no way home when everyone thinks he’s a menace but he still continues to fight against green goblin and the rest of the villains. Tobey and Andrew didn’t really have this problem because as you said they were loved by New York. The mcu was trying something different and in my opinion it worked. If anything, it gives more meaning to “with great power comes great responsibility” since Tom is so hated in nwh but continues to fight for the city
100% agree with you. Also this version is more comic accurate because wants to quit multiple times because of the city not liking him (that's the main meaning of "with great power comes great responsibility" as you said) but never gives up, and seeing that even the heroe has struggles makes him an even more likeable character.
Tobey had this problem in the first movie where Green Goblin claims that in spite of the good Tobey had done for the people, they would hate him eventually. Jameson was the big cause of that, trying to smear him at every turn. It was only through the act of saving children in a falling cable in public when he earned their trust, it was when his face was seen by a few people in the train he saved that he is just as normal as everyone else. Tom Holland really hasn’t done much to gain his people’s trust. Sure, he tried to save the ferry, but the people there really just gave out hollow praises and even turns their attention to iron man when he showed up. What does Tom Holland feel responsible for? Living up to iron man?
Amazing video bro‼️
Glad you enjoyed, appreciate the love
Good vid bro nice first start
Appreciate the love
I’ve got to agree with almost all of this I hope they can show the connection he has with the people in nyc and the impact he has in the next trilogy
to be fair, i think it’s kinda unfair to compare the praise the other Spider-Men for the connection they have with the city when they are literally the ONLY heroes in their universe. Holland’s Spider-Man is one of the newest amongst many established heroes who have been around for around a decade. it’s also pretty accurate for people to disregard spider man and make him feel unappreciated, because he doesn’t do it for the praise he does it because it’s right even if he doesn’t get recognition.
Exactly edwind, he isn't the only Hero in his World. If Spider-Man wants to be the Face of New York he has some Big Shoes to Fill. That Role has been Taken by the Avengers. Avengers saved the Earth twice before Spider-Man even Joined them in Infinity War. The Avengers been gained New York's Respect along with the Whole World's Praise a while back, before Peter.
How can you Outshine the Achievement of beating the Trickster God himself Loki and Stopping an Alien Invasion and more stuff I'm too Lazy to mention that they did? There's a reason people call the Avengers "The Earth's Mightiest Heroes". I'm not saying it's impossible for Spidey to beat the Avengers "High Score" but, it damn sure gonna take lots time and hard work to pull that Achievement off.
In Society, Respect is not something people are born with. Respect ain't Free, it is Earned through putting some type of Work in.
Wtf, Like Jesus Christ People. All these Peter Tingle Arguments are Tickling my 12 Inch Coc- 👁 👁
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That's sort of a plot point for Ciem works: Candi finds herself making a greater emotional impact everywhere except for Boonville. Most of the time, most of Boonville thinks nothing of her, no matter how much she's done for them. They don't hate her; they don't love her; they're simply...apathetic. Then again, she doesn't so much save them because she loves the city. She saves them because she doesn't want Arfaas, who killed her family, to gain the moral victory. Not that she'd be heartless otherwise; but her motivations are partially political. It's not purely out of love for the town. It's out of reverence for the higher ideals that her parents wanted the town to once symbolize.
Which bleeds over into why she saves Texas several times in Sodality. Because of the abstract nature of what letting the bad guys win would lead to. But she is rarely allowed to connect with anyone personally. As such, even when she's there for Houston, they're not always there for her. She ironically has the biggest impact on Little Rock, AR - a town she never lived in!
You know they did this on purpose because the entire trilogy is his origin
Wow man, this is a good video. I thought you had way more subscribers like the big commentary channels. Keep up the good work and you will become a big channel! You do make some good points here, other than a few bits in Homecoming, MCU really hasn't connected with the citizens that well.
This is gonna be a lot haha
1. In Hoemcoming at the ferry, Spider-man gets a little appreciation, but then the danger increases. When iron man saves the day, they give him credit because he did most of the saving. And this directly leads to Peter’s ark in this movie, where he needs to no longer rely on Stark, but be his own hero. 2. When Spider-man “dies” in infinity war, there could be a memorial, but we don’t have time to see it. And half of the entire universe dies so I’d just like to mention he’s not the only one.
3. Maybe it’s not in-universe, but I like how his death gets a special moment, ripping at our hearts- and that’s not even a Spider-man movie
4. In Far From Home, when he stops Hydro Man (Mysterio “defeated” them anyway) nobody knows he’s Spider-man.
5. Also, Far From Home is more of a Peter Parker movie, focusing on Peter balancing his own life, even in vacation. And Europe is a change after 5.5 movies in New York
6. NO New Yorkers? At least half of the people root for him. But the movie follows the struggle, and even if they don’t blame them as a murderer, they know who he is, so he’s less of an icon
7. One thing is that he has to balance with all the other heroes. One character won’t be the heart of super hero central when they’re at least two others at a time. And it’s not like they could do anything about this
8. In Homecoming Vulture isn’t a big supervillain like electro or green goblin. He’s lower stakes, which I like especially for the bigger universe. And Mysterio was gonna kill many many people, but Spider-man did this in Europe so there’s not gonna be that New York theme.
9. By the time Peter gets back, idk if normal citizens know the story, but just a week later the entire story- with a fake twist is revealed. So there’s no time or place for appreciation then
10. Also in Homecoming, after Spider-man saves a few students, the entire school is thankful. This might not be much to the entirety of New York, but it is appreciation nonetheless. Also he motivates Flash if that says enough
Although I do like the positive ending unlike with most video essays 👍🌵
Dang that’s a lot haha
Also I’m ready to argue. I’m just gonna let anyone know I’m not gonna stop until I prove my point 🙃
Yoooo you are straight COOKIN I always saw this but I didnt ever notice it, maybe not that Peter’s slate had been reset we get a chance to see him interact with his city
Tobey Spider-Man just always felt kinda off to me. I think Tom really captures what I love about the character the most of the 3.
Yeah no. Not at all the case
Ur bugged out😂😂
I agree that it would be nice to see more appreciation from the people of New York, but I think NYC always loving and appreciating Spider-Man is a Raimi invention. In the comics, love for Spider-Man has always waxed and waned. J.J. Jameson sells newspapers on the back of hating the "webbed menace." So it's not quite as black and white as your essay might suggest.
Really good observation though. I do hope he gets some love in the next trilogy. The kid deserves it.
Where i think the Home trilogy falls short is in the promise of a young high-school aged Spider-Man. We didn't get enough of *high school* drama. Asking a girl to a dance and then having to flake on her was about all we got. After that other students were pretty much background decoration. We never really get Peter's high school struggles. And that was a real missed opportunity, IMO.
Still love Tom, tho.
I feel like Homecoming had a good start to establishing him as a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man but FFH kinda went off the rails with his direction where the world itself wanted him to take Iron Man's place. I feel like MCU Spidey should just be a street level hero who ends up jumping into larger fray's due to it effecting New York vs he is at the front trying to be something he was never intended to be. Hopefully a new trilogy will keep him grounded and out of these massive encounters unless it is absolutely needed for him to be present.
Like for the upcoming Secret Wars, MCU Spider-Man shouldn't be involved in a major way but instead (if the rumors are true) and Tobey is one of leads for the film, he could find the MCU Spidey having fallen to the Venom symbiote and he takes Andrew's Spider-Man with him to get the suit off of him and then they make him just hang back and protect what remains of New York until the crisis is done. This version is way to young to have been through what he has, him being more grounded in stories would do his character some much needed good. That's why I think Tobey and Andrew do a much better job; their Spider-Men are grounded and it's believable that they could do more but are to focused on New York. With NWH, both get thrown into a multi-versal crisis and actually do amazingly well.
MCU spider man is broken but no one sticks up to him
what gives me hope is that in nwh everyone forgets about spiderman so he can get a fresh start and become proper spidey
W Video. Proud to see it drop.
Appreciate the support!
Is this a video for a class? This is really well done. Definitely an A+
I agree with mostly everything other then when spiderman died in the mcu. Your point would make more sense if he was like the only one that died or apart of a group of heros that died but like half of the planet died. Most people would realistically be going through mourning over the multiple friends and family that they just lost. That point just didn’t really click for me other then that this was a cool vid.
this is why I prefer the ealrier solo spidey films and of coruse OWNERSHIP use reasons why its slow in MCU , but adore such analysis!!
A true fan would love all three spiderman equally not say which one is worse and be grateful that they exist.(grow up)
I forgot how much I loved that ASM1 suit
did those cops really let a kid stand out there like that? lmao
You’re right, but that’s what makes tom hollands Spider-Man different and have brighter opportunities for the future
i actually think tom is the 60s era spiderman where the city hates Spider-man and jonah jamesson is against spiderman and peter's in high school with ned, mj and betty being his classmates, where tobey is the 90s Spider-Man era dating mary jane and gwen as an adult and harry becoming green goblin, Garfield is the Ultimate Spider-man run of the character with oscorp heavily infuencing the tasmverse.
Did everyone forget tho “come on spider man” scene were they literally created a scene in the comics where he was picking up the rubble
That's just brownie points "look comic accuracy" doesn't mean it's better than Tobey Maguire Spider-Man stopping the train in Spider-Man 2
@@noneedtoknow-yv2tu bro all I’m saying is that all of three actors had a spider man moment and all of them are a friendly neighborhood spider man and plus I don’t see the comparison in the three because each interpretation of character is different with different story’s being told
I like Tom Holland Spider-Man but sometimes it feels wierd Spider-Man being Robin in the Infinity Saga like most people call him Iron Boy Jr. Spider-Man in the MCU is more of a sidekick rather than a lone superhero. Before I watch MCU movies I watch The Raimi films, The Avengers: EMH, Spectacular Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers: Assemble and when I first saw the MCU Spider-Man I used to think it was The Amazing Spider-Man because one Aunt May looking like a step mom rather than aunt may in the comics. There's nothing wrong with Tom Holland but I wish they had Spider-Man's character arc be a little bit like the comics like knowing the great power comes great responsibility in the infinity saga and not his character arc come from Iron Man. Well atleast he's better than Spider-Man from the 2017 cartoon because Peter in the MCU doesn't always get help for example He fought Vulture by himself he fought Thanos with no effort even kicking his face he held the infinity gauntlet (he didn't snap) he defeated Dr. Strange by using Math he prevented Bucky from punching his face he stand alone fighting Mysterio and Peter defeating Dr. Strange just show that he could defeat other Marvel heroes when he can.
I do agree with you, a lot of people like to argue his experience yet he was already Spider-Man for around 2 and a half/3 years before he got snapped. And like to argue how there are way larger profiled heroes with things that make them viewed higher such as a god like Thor but that is something I always felt is something Spider-Man has been through you know?
@@Axe_Fax yeah but in No Way Home the Iron Boy Jr jokes are already dead.
Has nothing to do with that. Even if the Iron Boy Jr jokes are done (a community created thing the MCU brought to their movie bc of how viral the dislike for their Spider-Man) it does not change anything from the video or my previous comment you know?@@Teenpool2009
@@Axe_Fax yeah I respect anyone's opinion I mean when I see spider man in the MCU I thought it was Andrew Garfield being recasted because his too old but yet it's another different Spider-Man. I was expecting Peter's character in the MCU be more like the comics because I can always relate to Spider-Man but I'm not sure if I could relate much to the MCU Spider-Man also he doesn't really feel like Spider-Man or a legendary hero his more of a robin type sidekick of Iron Man
It's okay to be wrong but homecoming is the top 3 live action spiderman film
Remember that scene in Spider-Man 3 before the final battle, the flag scene where the citizens cheer for him as he appears. Moments like that or something.
Well it appears that someone didn't understand the point of the trilogy
That's probably why the mcu was reset with Doctor Strange. It gives him the time to shine as his own hero and step out of Iron mans shadows, which i think has always held Tom holland Spiderman back.
I love all the tom holland saga of movies but I would definitely agree that he lacks his own identity as a hero, he goes from a side kick to goofy kid with powers and its really disappointing.
I think what really rubbed salt in the wound for everyone is far from home. He seems to regress from everything he learned from liz allen in homecoming. In far from home he is so fixated on asking MJ out its pretty insulting to the identy of spidermans responsibility. I mean he doesnt even want to bring his suit with him to Venice he could not care about being Spider-Man.
I think its just do to the writing however. People responed well to homecoming because it was more of a goofy movie and they wanted to replicate it with far from home and its really unfortunate because its really just the same movie without any of the charecter progression.
And no way home is just fan service for spiderman fans so we just get very basic story filler and peter really doesnt evolve until we get the scene with Aunt May.
In my perspective Tom Holland’s Spiderman is lil bro. You can tell Toby and Andrew’s Spiderman, even Miles Morales, takes on a leadership role within themselves before being a leader to the people. “Nah, I’ma do my own thing.” They’ve also experienced pain to grow. I’m not sure I see that in MCU spidey.
I always felt like there was something off about MCU Spider-Man.
As much as I loved Tobey and Andrew's films, there was always something missing from Tom's that I couldn't quite put my finger on. It was a lack of authenticity, presence, and spirit. I couldn't (and still can't) understand how Tom's movies are so popular and made so much money. I never understood why I felt any of this... until your video. You nailed EXACTLY why Tom is not my Spider-Man. Thank you for finally giving me the answer.
I used to feel this way until NWH. I think as annoying as uncle Ben being replaced with tony is, I think the story is the same but with a different person. I think by the end of NWH he became his own
oh my god people are writing whole entire paragraphs every comment i feel bad for this guy
"Just just just..." Crutch words.
They have an opportunity in spiderman 4 to give the mcu spidey his first truly solo film, without other mcu characters, without gimmicks, being loyal to the essence of the character. Let's hope they make a change.
When I was half way through the vid I thought this guy spitting facts then I saw your name 😂,Great Video!
surprised you only have 96 subs
I absolutely agree. Hopefully with the next three films and three cameos in other hero films, there will be more of a relationship between him and the city. I’d really like to see him have a full movie just in the city as well. I feel like MCU Spider-Man’s movies so far haven’t truly taken place in the city yet.
Honestly, considering everything that has happened with the character lately, I would not be surprised if Tom Holland made just one more film in which Miles Morales will be introduced. I believe the MCU would also want to establish Miles as the main Spider-Man in the future
A true fan would love all three spiderman equally not say which one is worse and be grateful that they exist.(grow up)
@@StarBrickAnimations That's actually an extremely childish point of view
@@angrym0nkeysh0w oh shut up you know I'm speaking fax y'all just need to accept that there is no bad adaptation of three we all have our favorites of the three but that doesn't mean two of them are bad bruh💀
@@StarBrickAnimations "speaking fax"
Yep. You're a child confirmed
How do you only have 87 subscribers this is 200k quality
Is MCU Spider-Man even Peter Parker? Or is he just a random amalgamation of a good-boy superhero themed character with the name Peter Parker stamped on him?
What are you even saying
I feel like that kinda the point if mcu spidey. He’s been to caught up in the big leagues and ignores the city. There are hints of it here and there, but I think that’s what Andrew and Toby made him realise. You can see Witt him getting rid of the stark tech and making his own suit. I could be completely wrong but I bet the next movie will be him connecting to the city.
This was such a good video keep it up 🙏🏽
Supaidaman best.
Fight me.
You say no one cares when spider man dies in the MCU but brother, half the fucking universe died... I feel like people had more going on than just spiderman dying. He wasn't even the only superhero who died there was like 8 that died that day
Bet you nobody realizes Spider-Man’s hair just magically change 😂😂 damnit Joss 🤦🏻♂️
You have to remember there was a plan for this Spider-Man to merge with Sony meaning potentially 6 films, so to extend the lesson of great power great responsibility is good storytelling, I think they could have potentially made it clearer he’s not Spider-Man and this is effectively a origin trilogy to being Spider-Man. but when the penny dropped with what they where trying to do, by having the past Spider-Man to guide him be the last puzzle is soo unique and was a very effective experience when I left the cinema, if he’s the more traditional Spider-Man we know in the next instalments im sure we’ll look back on the first three fondly and I impressed with their direction. Also could argue it’s more realistic he wasn’t the Peter we know as he is a young teen and I’m a adult and I still struggle to be responsible often.
I refreshing to find someone who finally gets why Tom Holland's Spiderman is not that great of a Spiderman
i believe you are wrong as he is a very faithful depiction of the character and his core traits with his own unique attributes that make this version of the character worthwhile
Let me know on anything you'd like to see going forward, and any areas I can improve on
#RestoreTheSnyderverse?
Rank the avengers movies
Lore of Tom Holland is NOT a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man! Momentum 100
Suddenly everyone wants to act like they weren't riding Holland's Spidey back in 2016 even when a lot of us were saying he was never a great version of Spider-Man.
Good
Tom holland is not Spider-Man I don’t care what anyone says read the ultimate Spider-Man comics if you wanna see what Tom holland’s version is Spider-Man is QUITE LITERALLY supposed to be based off of, and they are completely different night and day characters and don’t even get me started on the MCU aunt may like wtf bruh 💀 you can’t have aunt may used as a fucking sex joke for 3 movies and then try to have her have a emotional death sort of like an uncle Ben moment, not to mention that means the moment in civil war where Peter tells tony about “when you have the powers I do and don’t do anything and then the bad things happen… they happen because of you” meant nothing… because uncle Ben never told him with great power comes great responsibility like wtf 🤦🏽♂️ these mfs really fucked up his whole character go rewatch tom’s trilogy and tell me if that’s spider-man because we do not know the same Spider-Man. I know i shouldn’t be taking it this seriously but damn it’s just sad seeing a character you grew up loving turned in to this
Nothing you said was right just bullshit
I think if Sony let Marvel use spider-man in more projects he could’ve built more of a connection to the city, but it just kinda sucks that they’re so protective over him. I still do love the MCU movies tho!
MCU Holland movies are not rewatchable for me. Besides NWH cause Tobey and Andrew came out in it. Lol
The best Spider-Man is anyone in Spider-Verse. Facts
Very fair, Peter B Parker had a great story in Into the Spider-Verse, love what they've done with Miles to this day!