Shadow is growing and changing. He's very much done so for the better....but I think his past will always linger there like a shadow. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Frontiers is proof that a bad past can be utilized for a better future, if written correctly and accordingly. Although, it doesn’t need to be AS extreme as Frontiers needed to be.
@TheRibottoStudios Shadow didn't actually change from how he was established in the 2010s. He's just in a plot centered on him within a game post-06 rather than be a side character or in something like Sonic Channel's short stories.
@@hyperstargaming6150 "sitting talking about stuff that happened is the pinnacle of writing" "Eggman worrying about a machine's pronouns fits for the character" "Amy"
@@galten7361You say this, but you also complained about Eggman keeping an orb and cube with no combat experience that he can abuse at his leisure around while comparing them to a quintet of battle-made robots that he sent to shoot stuff up and find a frog with a tail that he relocated two of and reformatted and weaponized the other two since only one of the quintuplets bought the frog he wanted... Eggman isn't allowed to have attachments to anything or anyone, and if he does, it's because they're useful to him, so having him be cautious of what he should call an AI isn't in line with how he should be acting, I get it, but more importantly, what did Amy do outside of the complaints that they leaned too much into her tarot cards to the point of those being her weapon instead of her hammer?
@@galten7361 I disagree. Shadow isn't as stagnant as you think he is. If SA2 Shadow had been given his Doom Powers, you can't convince me otherwise that he would've stabbed Sonic in the back with them. But the fact that he THOUGHT about it, and actively decided not to attack Sonic in a dishonorable way, SHOWS that Shadow has changed.
The best reasoning I’ve seen for Radical Highway is that it’s where Shadow first vocalized his vow of vengeance in SA2, and Doom is trying to trigger that anger in Shadow again.
@@BlackClaw2 I was JUST about to reply with this and saw your comment lol. Yep. In Shadow's own words "Doom tried to torment me....but I'm better than that." it's nice to HEAR him ADMIT that he's grown as a character. He acknowledges his changes. It's sweet.
One detail, that I don't even sure is intentional, but i still want to point it out, it's that despite Shadow being nothing like Black Doom, he still has a lot of his mannerisms. They both loves crossing their arms for example, and a lot of their hand gestures are the same. So that shows Shadow still has some connection with Black Doom, despite rejecting him outright. It's just neat, again, if intentional
I mean, Tails had no use for it after the game. Why would he take it back with him? I'd imagine he just thought it was garbage after his initial plan failed.
54:13 I think it would be easy shadow already forgets about infinite in between when they fight and when eggman takes over the world in forces so it could be funny if he just forgets about him again
It's honestly surreal. I'm part of the camp that felt Shadow's death in SA2 should have been permanent and hate the convoluted alien plot line they introduced in his own game. Yet somehow they made it work here. I don't fully know how. I think the only real complaint I have about the game is the Rail Canyon distortion part made me mildly motion sick as someone who doesn't normally get motion sick and that's largely it.
This game is really good, and that's great; but I feel like the best part of Shadow Generations is seeing Sonic fans happy. This game is uncomplicatedly good, and that shows.
There is something that some shadow fans seems to not fully grasp about him about how he acts around people or reacts to maria and gerald that i finally understood while playing this game. Shadow acts more like a typical Tokusatsu protagonist, like think about it the shady organization that does dodgy experiments in search for the perfect life form, dark overlord tyrant that conquers worlds and tries to get earth but gets stopped by a loner warrior, the loner warrior that was created by said shady organization that went rogue and lost everybody he loved and sworn revenge on them and now is the stand in for justice and peace even if that has to come to the cost of his own life. Like come on Sega already has freaking Hongo as Segata Sanshiro and you have Sonicman and so on, like Shadow is clearly a Kamen Rider reference, and knowing that you kinda understand why he acts the way he acts.
Redemption? More like SEGA waking up and realizing how fans like a well told story with good gameplay. They started going down with Sonic when making certain restrictions placed on Archie.
@mysterycupofjoe2670 Archie is not and will never be what the series was meant to be. What with it having Sonic side with a monarchy that locks up protestors.
@mysterycupofjoe2670 Archie is not and will never be what the series was meant to be. What with it having Sonic side with a monarchy that locks up protestors and actually being a full time hero. And the games have had mandates on writing the characters since Sonic Adventure at the latest.
@galten7361 Besides, Ian Flynn has been doing the game stories and he originally is from Archie. Some influence has found its way in for sure in the games.
@@mysterycupofjoe2670 The Sonic Channel stories having a way different version of what Sonic's dynamic with Eggman is when put against what IDW tries to pull with the two shows that what Flynn tries to do with the characters is not in line with how SoJ sees them. Double counting Frontiers.
ngl when i first played chaos island i hated doom morph so i kept replaying to understand it and it was so worth it, easily made chaos island my favourite level in the game would really love if it was a tease for a return to the starfall islands as shadow
The problem with a lot of Sonic's past games has been two fold. 1. They wanted to make something more mature while not giving enough time to flesh stuff out. (Both story and gameplaywise.) 2. They wanted to have their cake and eat it to my coasting the lines between mature and childish. A superficial kind of maturity rather than telling compelling naratives. Shadow generations has none of those issues and kinda proves to people that characters like shadow have a place in the sonic canon. All Sega has to do is give Sonic Team enough time to actually make the game good and also give the writers enough time to flesh them out.
Hey Nick, just a note on radical highway, it IS (lore wise) in the same location as Westopolis and Lethal highway (all within Central City) so I guess Black Doom does technically have a connection there.
ALL HAIL SHADOW HEROS RISE AGAIN (also sidenote this perfectly put into words why shadow gens just clicked with me as a persons who only other boost game has been forces)
This game was an absolute blast. I was introduced to the Sonic franchise by Sonic Adventure 2 and unfortunately ended my Sonic adventure with Sonic Colors. I played this game and I was absolutely blown away with the story and gameplay. I was interested in seeing what you thought of the game after hearing your thoughts on Shadow’s character and I am glad that you enjoyed it as much as a Shadow fan like myself.
I really think it's insane that Sega up and introduced an antichrist for the Sonic franchise, so much so that most old fans didn't want anything to do with the newer games involving him. Kind of a metal thing for Shadow to be, from a metacontextual perspective
I kinda wish Sage made a cameo during the frontiers portion of the game. In frontiers she was compared to Maria briefly so that would have been kinda neat. It wouldn't have fit into the story at all but it would have been neat
When they revealed Maria and Gerald were in the game I was concerned that magically bringing Maria back for closure would tarnish the great motivations that Shadow had. I'm pleased to say not only did they maintain that connection, they improved it and now Maria feels even more 'real' than she did before. How can you not adore writing like that?
The level choices were certainly made with reusing resources in mind, Ark was semi made in generations for the Shadow fight, Kingdom Valley, Chaos Island and Sunset Heights are already made since they’re from HD games and very clearly Metal Overlord used a recoloured Chemical Plant
i took the difference in white space's between sonic and shadow as a view of their beings. sonic is in the moment so his space is very short and empty with all platforms being related to the area he's exploring, whereas shadows is full grand buildings and pathways, almost that of a castle designed to protect that which he holds dear. because that's what makes shadow.... well shadow. ("i am all of me" pretty much) i also loved that we got to see more of shadow then just his normal "hmph" or pout that hes been written with, hes given the spotlight and thus is able to show more emotion and growth. my only gripes with the game are the octopus powers (just not explained very well and feels very clunky till you figure it all out) and that while there is a reason for it, i would have liked a super shadow transformation even if it was just a "oh you beat the game, here is this cosmetic skin for doom wings." very similar to how the sonics gain theirs after you beat their campaign.
I've seen someone make a theory that black doom didn't die in shadow the hedgehog, since we only saw him fall at the end of the devil doom fight. The theory suggests that when he fell, he landed on chaos island, explaining why the location appears in the game. The theory goes on to say he stayed on chaos island, trying come up with a new scheme, eventually leading to him returning once again, trying to take advantage of eggmans place with the time eater to come back, and use shadow to continue his plan.
They were fighting above a city, presumably Westopolis. How would he end up there? I think the “he grew a new body from the Death Leech aboard the ARK we see in Dark Beginnings” makes a lot more sense, honestly.
@@Mrdengekioh well the person mentioned that, during the fight with devil doom, he and shadow teleport around a lot, and they thought he might have been teleporting around the world, and when the fight ended, they were above chaos island, though I'm not really sure if I believe that part. If you wanna see the theory for yourself, it was made by a youtuber named mr needle mouse, who posted a video about the theory before the game came out.
This has hit almost all the marks. The game play, the animation, the story, the voice acting. Just amazing! I especially love how this really fleshes out Gerald and Maria. Who they were before the tragedy on the Ark. I also applaud how they have used the fake Chaos Emerald and the yellow one Shadow had in the first Generations. If I had to pick a replacement for Mephiles, I’d pick Keith Silverstein. His performance as Hawkmoth is similar to Dan Green’s Mephiles. Plus, the guy already voices Vector, so he’s already a part of the cast.
I'm kind of new to Sonic lore. Does Silver's Future (without being destroyed) Has anything defined yet? A game taking place there could be interesting.
@@chilidogsonic6774Here's a question I'm pretty sure a lot of people are wondering: Does Silver remember the events of 06? You'd assume he would considering he's from the future...right? But then there's the version of Silver in Rivals and even Colors DS, I'm a bit confused, what I'm getting at is does Archie or IDW cover that at all
I am a huge fan of Shadow, and I am so glad to see people slowly understanding why I like the character so much. I'm a person who likes that Shadow didn't stay dead in SA2, who likes Shadow's game's and 06's stories, and who just wanted Sega to have good stories in Sonic games again. I became a fan because of Shadow, so this year has been amazing for me.
I can't be the only one who wants Shadow's doom abilities to stay as apart of his future moveset in other games. I believe its still up in the air whether defeating black doom reverted the mutations completely, but these are genetic abilities, so I don't think (story wise) it can't be something that returns later on, but on Shadow's own accord. Narratively the abilities give Shadows title of "The Ultimate lifeform" more weight by making him a creature adept at traversing all terrain as well as controlling time and space with chaos abilities, and gameplay wise they were just fun, and helped separate him from the pack. Id even go as far to say that while id still like the see sonic team try there hand at a fully 3d sonic game without the boost similar to the adventure game, I think it would be cool to keep the boost formula with the doom powers for just shadow to make him completely different from sonic (though am still a bit iffy on this idea)
*AN OVER AN HOUR LONG EPISODE OF GAME APOLOGIST ABOUT THE NEW GAME AND ABOUT SHADOW?!* *YES PLEASE.* Can't wait to hear your thoughts about this amazing new addition and spark of hope for the franchise as a whole! :D
Hey Game Apologist, since Shadow’s is starting the “Year of” trend who do you think the next character should get a “Year of” game. I think Silver should be the next one, but I’ve been hearing people saying that Knuckles should be next. What’s your thought on this idea.
Absolutely. I feel knuckles in today's era ever since all his development became non canon, he became a token character, a joke or just not what he use to be. He is a strong as sonic is fast no one should ever be stronger, yet even that very idea was forgotten.
Shadow Generations has become one of my top favorite Sonic games along with Sonic Unleashed. The gameplay was fun, the returning levels were great to see (even Sunset Heights). The returning boss fights were awesome, especially the fight with Mephiles. And the story, while short was great in my opinion. This is probably the best characterization Shadow has received in a long time and it’s nice to see. Seeing Shadow have to leave Maria and Gerald again was heartbreaking. Yet he continues to move forward and carries the promise he made to them in his heart. It’s great to see Sonic Team taking the stuff they’ve learned from Sonic Frontiers and other past games, and improving upon them with this game. And it has me excited for what the next mainline Sonic game will be. Something I couldn’t say a few years ago.
Yeah all that unspoken baggage between Shadow and Gerald, I felt had to be addressed. My fic "In search of Spirit" makes a small attempt at that. I already have Maria as Shadow's guardian spirit. She was waiting for Shadow's timeline to catch up before she discussed it with him.
As someone who enjoyed his time with SxSG, I'm glad that Shadow's eating so well these days. After getting raked over the coals for being uptight or edgy (even in Boom, which shouldn't be complained about because Boom Shadow isn't the mainline Shadow and has no obligation to stick to his way of behavior at all), the guy is able to be the hedgehog who gets stuff done and values his allies, no matter what the pariah purists claim he's "supposed" to be like (be forewarned to any purists who show up, you weren't welcome then, and you're not welcome now). The writers handled Shadow so well in the story, and I cannot wait to see what's in store for him in future games, the movie, and IDW (once they finally get back to him after his little explosion incident...).
@pupununu3024 Pariah just has his interpretation of Shadow that he refuses to bulge on. Same with Kotytang. Others just can't accept that their take of Shadow where he'd totally be BFFs with Sonic and/or Amy but hides it and he'd be someone who "hangs out" or is totally above theft and never insults his enemies (hence all the fuss over how he handled Infinite) isn't in line with how the character actually is in game canon.
Speaking of Kingdom hearts, Sonic X Shadow Generations make me think of Kingdom hearts chain of memories. A journey through the heroes past, split between the happy go lucky hero with a cocky smile and the edgy character of the group. The edgy one constantly being hounded to give into the darkness.
@@the-point-bearer6689 And the final boss of the edgy story is a previous villain who held influence over the edgy characters so that's another parallel
To give some insight on Black Doom here, his goal is the same as it was in Shadow the Hedgehog(2005), to continue his conquest over the universe and turn the inhabitants of Earth into slaves/a source of food, but he also has to take a few extra steps to that goal because the Black Comet and his species are extinct and Shadow is actively in the way, that's where the Time Eater comes into play. Black Doom survived fighting Super Shadow and the White Space has accelerated the growth of his new body and the resurrection of the Black Arms that were being produced in the Black Moon. Black Doom has control/influence over White Space due to the fact that he is the master/creator of Chaos Control, which naturally allows him to manipulate time and space and Radical Highway is Black Doom's realm. It takes the form of that stage via illusions in order to torment and remind Shadow of his campaign for revenge and his destructive nature as the champion of the Black Arms, as Black Doom can in fact create illusions as he did in Shadow's first spinoff title, Radical Highway isn't really there in the same way the other locations are, it's Black Doom's craftwork. What is also Black Doom's work are Shadow's new powers, in order to remove him as a threat, Black Doom is providing Shadow with new power, but the cost of such power is a deeper connection to the Black Arms, as Shadow grows in strength so does Black Doom and their bond, if Shadow were to reject the Black Arms once more, Black Doom would then decide to take over his body as the avatar of his return. Black Doom did not account for the fact that Shadow has grown significantly since their last encounter and has surpassed him in every way. An idea on Black Dooms personality: He and Shadow are alike in a number of ways, but Black Doom is of course evil and is inherently tyrannical. Black Doom is highly intelligent, but also arrogant and cruel, he believes everything will go as he plans with enough force put behind it without having much consideration for retaliation since he believes himself to be the Immortal Lifeform and the Ultimate Power not dissimilar to Shadow. Black Doom is extremely proud of his own kind, especially Shadow and his growth in power only being possible as a result of him taking in more of Doom's DNA, however he detests the fact that Shadow doesn't look like one of the Black Arms(since Shadow as far as we know is 100% Black Arms and Gerald deliberately put him in the form of a Hedgehog) and greatly dislikes Shadow's sense of justice and duty to protect Earth rather than conquer it, which most likely means Black Doom dislikes Maria and her influence on Shadow, meaning Doom could very well have been the one to encourage the Black Warriors to attack her until Shadow intervened. Ultimately, Black Doom is debatably the most evil character known to the Sonic universe and has left a scar on the humans of that Earth that is bigger than any other villains thus far.
@@the-point-bearer6689 If you've seen the ending of Shadow the Hedgehog, you'd know Shadow never actually guarantees Black Doom's death, his Devil Doom form simply plummets and Shadow destroys the Black Comet with the Eclipse Cannon. We don't see the body or the eye of Black Doom properly destroyed.
Are we just assuming Shadow will lose his doom powers in future canon titles? My impression was that Shadow "took" those powers for himself. He and Black Doom share the same DNA, so I would assume those powers are essentially natural abilities for Shadow, and Doom just knew they would eventually manifest and he could try to take advantage of their connection in order to use and manipulate Shadow. But since they share DNA, those powers are as much Shadows as Black Doom's.
Probably as the cutscene when Shadow loses his wings were them looking like they were almost withering away while Shadow looked to be in pain. That cutscene felt like a big sign that had "that's it, no more" written on it.
I only watched a gameplay walkthrough of Shadow Generations, so I’m not well versed in it so prove me wrong if need be. At the end of most levels when Black Doom enters and transports Shadow to the city, I thought those sections are supposed to be the city from Shadow’s game and not Radical Highway. It made sense to me that Black Doom would bring Shadow back to Doom’s game: Shadow the Hedgehog. Meanwhile, Radical Highway is the final stage as a reflection of Shadow’s beginnings and first stage ever
32:32 I would say it's similar to Scala ad Caelum from KH3, but yeah you made your point there now that I mentioned it. I have no shame whenever I correspond both franchises depending on context. 😅
I guess you have a point about the Doom Powers being extensions, instead of interruptions like the color powers. Doom Spear is Chaos Spear, but more. Doom Blast is an extension of Chaos Snap. Doom Surf; Quickstepping. Doom Morph: it's a more in-depth Homing Attack. Doom Wings: Boost. The other day I had a thought that I think Sega was trying a similar idea with the Wisp Choices in Planet Wisp. Pink Spikes is an extension of Classic Sonic's Spindash, and Orange Rocket is basically a vertical boost.
I wish Maria had a bit of sass to her character. I understand why she’s portrayed as the pinnacle of kindness, but she’s related to two mad scientists you’d think she’d have a bit of snark.
52:52 "Sonic shits" Me thinking back on the time friends and i made the Sonic chilidogs from the official cookbook and two of us having the runs the next day. And also watching the first Sonic movie were he farts after eating chilidogs, for the first time, and that kid ate how many? lets just say i wasn't rolling my eyes at it anymore.
Like many had said Shadow is growing and changing, his trauma can eventually heal and I feel like it was a good closure of his past. but now can he mend the rift of the family? Marias baby sister is out there, maybe its time to finally meet.
Shadow Generations was exactly what I hoped for it was fantastic. Shadow is my favourite Sonic character and I hated the way he was depicted in the 2010’s. This was the return to form for the character I so hoped for as I feel he wasn’t edgy the hedgy in SA2, Heroes and 06
The S rank requirement for radical highway act 2,(no doom wings) are just too strict and demanding. I spent literally hours of my life only to come out with an A rank telling me I need to shave off 18 seconds. Not cool, man. I feel so bad for letting a video game take so much of my time. Geez
I'm not a sonic fan or rather didn't grow with the franchise, but I'm glad to see it doing well. I'm glad to see Shadow Generation wasn't a rushed add-on or something less. I hope this continues in future titles.
I grew up with the Genesis as well but I had practically no problems with the series till the Meta Era. I even love a lot of the so called Dark Age titles, so the phrasing was a bit jarring. Heck the Adventure Era is my favorite Era in the franchise.
I love this game it’s really awesome and as a shadow the hedgehog fan this game makes so happy and to see him reunite with love ones and team dark is really amazing and badass in my opinion.
The only big flaw the story has in my opinion is the start of the Sonic cutscene. Directly quotting the past games multiple times for no reason made me cringe. The rest is really great, especially Mephiles and all the Maria cutscenes. I am so happy that Shadow is not so aggressive and pissed anymore❤.
When I saw Mephiles in the trailer I legit screamed. I saw it coming, what with the purple slime in promotional screenshots and the action figure recently, but I was still so happy. I'm a big defender of 06. It's a bad game and very broken but I still really love it!
Black Doom keeps bringing Shadow to Radical Highway because its where Shadow's anger were at it's highest. Its the place where Shadow declared vengeance and his plans of killing everyone and destroying the Earth. Granted, his memories were altered, but still. This was Shadow at his villain phase, and thats what Black Doom wants. He keeps bringing him to Radical Highway because Black Doom wants Shadow to be evil again.
53:16 I always thought that is was a reference to another of SEGA's games House of the Dead's Magician. It even makes copies of itself which the magician can also do. Just something to think about I suppose.
To me Shadow Generations is not only Shadow accepting his past and letting it inspire him to move forward It's Sonic Team's as well. Ever since 06 they felt like they were desperate to stay afloat. Doing everything to forget the past and try to make people move on. With Frontiers and Shadow Gens it feels like they finally accepted the fact that they made mistakes and rather then lock em away to never be seen. They're owning up to them and embracing them. There's nothing to hide. No shadows to steer away from. No need to pretend. For the first time Sonic Team feels like how they were before the dark ages. Before the swearing and princess kissing and gimmicks. They feel like the group that called out Mario and Nintendo. My only hope is that this positive momentum stays. Cause like it was said in the Archie Charmy vid so long ago. When you have so much more going on, you also have so much more to lose. Also seriously can we get Infinite as a DLC fight or something? Seriously let him have something resembling dignity that isn't shaped like Forces or a Thwomp.
Honestly Shadow Generations is really really really damn good (peakalicious even) The only real problem was Doom Morph being unintuitive and the small inconsistencies in gameplay between him and (Modern) Sonic, but everything else was amazing and I was hungering for more levels when I finished it
If we ever get a Silver Generations (which is unlikely, but you never know), I think it'd be a great opportunity to explore what the white space realm is. Find out what it's purpose is, what the deal is with the castles, who created it, etc. Silver is a perfect character to do that with considering his whole deal with time travel and finding the source of catastrophes. Helps that, just like Shadow, he was doing his own thing during the main plot, so you wouldn't have to worry about clashes. The other thing I'd love to see them do is explain what happened to Blaze at the end of 06. Is the Blaze that died in 06 the same one from the Sol dimension? Does Silver remember the events of 06? Did Silver ever reconcile with Blaze's death? What was it like for him to see her again? Did he play a role in why she's alive in the Sol dimension? There's plenty of story potential there, and I'm sure Ian Flynn could pull it off. Also, a Silver Gens would be the perfect place to bring Infinite back. They fought in Forces, let's get a rematch.
Honestly I think the Sol dimension isnt a different dimension at all, just the future. They keep flip flopping on wether or not Classic Sonic, Blaze and Eggman Nega are from different universes or different time periods so maybe were just working on Dragon ball time travel or something.
I truly don't get everyone's love for Sonic Generations. Having replayed it for the rerelease, Modern Sonic handles just as bad as I remembered it, Classic Sonic doesn't handle all that well either, and I found the level design to be severely lacking. Shadow Generations is awesome.
That is to be said, Sonic the Hedgehog AS A FRANCHISE was sure as hell a lot more fortunate than say, Mega Man. Who died in a whimper and a fanbase fractured as while Sonic had it's ups and downs, the Blue Bomber stagnated until the series flatlined. ReploidRevo beefing with Matpat was the final nail in the coffin, exposing the Mega Man community to be full of egotistical narcissists who refuse to give back to the very franchise that brought them joy in the first place and would rather have a participation trophy than reap the rewards.
What? I can assure you that the fanbase is not dead, quiet yes, but not dead. However Reploid revo definitely was a bad case. Honestly, its surprising that it took this long for such a bad case to happen in the fanbase the first place.
Even better: Go watch Chaomix who extensively covered knuckles' and shadow's respective storylines and lore after you finished watching this video. What good is a sonic fan if they can't support fellow sonic creators?
32:38 Nope, not me. Never played Kingdom Hearts, probably never will. Nothing about those games appeals to me in the slightest, whereas I actually like Shadow.
honestly I like fishing in games, as long as it doesn't feel forced I'm fine with it. Like how in fire emblem three houses, it's nice to take a break from the main gameplay. And in fronters its funer to grind memory tokens by fishing since it's quicker than if you were to do it by running around in the open zone and hoping that you don't encounter a boss that's going to slow you down.
You know people complaining about Radical Highway being the next Green Hill,but they forgot that you had to play Westpolis for 326th time and that was in a single game
I mean, to be fair, Westopolis was tied to one game, and you only played it 326 times if you were going for _all_ the titles in the library; otherwise, you had to play it 10 times in order to get the true ending, and again, Westopolis has only ever been a level in Shadow the Hedgehog, and has never been featured in another game since. They could've featured it in Shadow's campaign here, but they chose his debut stage, Radical Highway.
I always saw 2d boost as a nice callback to sonic rush rush and rush adventure, and while yes, i always found them the least fun portions of the levels, i still found them fine enough. Just a little too much in the casr of colors (especially since we got colors ds the same day)
Shadow is growing and changing. He's very much done so for the better....but I think his past will always linger there like a shadow. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Frontiers is proof that a bad past can be utilized for a better future, if written correctly and accordingly. Although, it doesn’t need to be AS extreme as Frontiers needed to be.
@TheRibottoStudios Shadow didn't actually change from how he was established in the 2010s. He's just in a plot centered on him within a game post-06 rather than be a side character or in something like Sonic Channel's short stories.
@@hyperstargaming6150 "sitting talking about stuff that happened is the pinnacle of writing"
"Eggman worrying about a machine's pronouns fits for the character"
"Amy"
@@galten7361You say this, but you also complained about Eggman keeping an orb and cube with no combat experience that he can abuse at his leisure around while comparing them to a quintet of battle-made robots that he sent to shoot stuff up and find a frog with a tail that he relocated two of and reformatted and weaponized the other two since only one of the quintuplets bought the frog he wanted... Eggman isn't allowed to have attachments to anything or anyone, and if he does, it's because they're useful to him, so having him be cautious of what he should call an AI isn't in line with how he should be acting, I get it, but more importantly, what did Amy do outside of the complaints that they leaned too much into her tarot cards to the point of those being her weapon instead of her hammer?
@@galten7361 I disagree. Shadow isn't as stagnant as you think he is. If SA2 Shadow had been given his Doom Powers, you can't convince me otherwise that he would've stabbed Sonic in the back with them. But the fact that he THOUGHT about it, and actively decided not to attack Sonic in a dishonorable way, SHOWS that Shadow has changed.
This is a DAMN good video. Almost as good as stealing candy from a baby. (Which is fine by me.)
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The best reasoning I’ve seen for Radical Highway is that it’s where Shadow first vocalized his vow of vengeance in SA2, and Doom is trying to trigger that anger in Shadow again.
Shadow himself actually confirmed this in the latest twitter takeover. Lmao.
@@BlackClaw2Oh, neat. I saw someone on discord say it, but nice to know it’s canon.
@@BlackClaw2 I was JUST about to reply with this and saw your comment lol. Yep. In Shadow's own words "Doom tried to torment me....but I'm better than that." it's nice to HEAR him ADMIT that he's grown as a character. He acknowledges his changes. It's sweet.
So, what I'm hearing is that the answer to "Can Doom run on a hedgehog?" is yes.
MVP comment right here.
One detail, that I don't even sure is intentional, but i still want to point it out, it's that despite Shadow being nothing like Black Doom, he still has a lot of his mannerisms. They both loves crossing their arms for example, and a lot of their hand gestures are the same. So that shows Shadow still has some connection with Black Doom, despite rejecting him outright. It's just neat, again, if intentional
No way, bro drops the hardest line in the first five minutes at 1:35
“The next generation of fans… the… Shadow… Generation 😎💥🔥☄️⚡️🔫.”
Weirdly enough one of my first reactions to the cutscenes was "Wait, the Fake Emerald was just sitting there on the Ark the entire time?"
I mean, Tails had no use for it after the game. Why would he take it back with him? I'd imagine he just thought it was garbage after his initial plan failed.
@@fojisan2398And I guess GUN and the black arms didn't notice it or have time to take it when they both had forces on the station in Shadow 05
The green light trail is called chaos dash, teleporting is chaos snap and stopping time is chaos control
54:13 I think it would be easy shadow already forgets about infinite in between when they fight and when eggman takes over the world in forces so it could be funny if he just forgets about him again
It's honestly surreal. I'm part of the camp that felt Shadow's death in SA2 should have been permanent and hate the convoluted alien plot line they introduced in his own game. Yet somehow they made it work here. I don't fully know how.
I think the only real complaint I have about the game is the Rail Canyon distortion part made me mildly motion sick as someone who doesn't normally get motion sick and that's largely it.
This game is really good, and that's great; but I feel like the best part of Shadow Generations is seeing Sonic fans happy. This game is uncomplicatedly good, and that shows.
There is something that some shadow fans seems to not fully grasp about him about how he acts around people or reacts to maria and gerald that i finally understood while playing this game.
Shadow acts more like a typical Tokusatsu protagonist, like think about it the shady organization that does dodgy experiments in search for the perfect life form, dark overlord tyrant that conquers worlds and tries to get earth but gets stopped by a loner warrior, the loner warrior that was created by said shady organization that went rogue and lost everybody he loved and sworn revenge on them and now is the stand in for justice and peace even if that has to come to the cost of his own life.
Like come on Sega already has freaking Hongo as Segata Sanshiro and you have Sonicman and so on, like Shadow is clearly a Kamen Rider reference, and knowing that you kinda understand why he acts the way he acts.
He uses a dramatic kick a couple times in the game ala Rider kick lol
Redemption? More like SEGA waking up and realizing how fans like a well told story with good gameplay. They started going down with Sonic when making certain restrictions placed on Archie.
@mysterycupofjoe2670 Archie is not and will never be what the series was meant to be. What with it having Sonic side with a monarchy that locks up protestors.
@mysterycupofjoe2670 Archie is not and will never be what the series was meant to be. What with it having Sonic side with a monarchy that locks up protestors and actually being a full time hero.
And the games have had mandates on writing the characters since Sonic Adventure at the latest.
@galten7361 Not all of Archie but SEGA's mandates leaked to the games as well. Unleashed and Lost World were too cartoony.
@galten7361 Besides, Ian Flynn has been doing the game stories and he originally is from Archie. Some influence has found its way in for sure in the games.
@@mysterycupofjoe2670 The Sonic Channel stories having a way different version of what Sonic's dynamic with Eggman is when put against what IDW tries to pull with the two shows that what Flynn tries to do with the characters is not in line with how SoJ sees them. Double counting Frontiers.
ngl when i first played chaos island i hated doom morph so i kept replaying to understand it and it was so worth it, easily made chaos island my favourite level in the game
would really love if it was a tease for a return to the starfall islands as shadow
The problem with a lot of Sonic's past games has been two fold.
1. They wanted to make something more mature while not giving enough time to flesh stuff out. (Both story and gameplaywise.)
2. They wanted to have their cake and eat it to my coasting the lines between mature and childish. A superficial kind of maturity rather than telling compelling naratives.
Shadow generations has none of those issues and kinda proves to people that characters like shadow have a place in the sonic canon.
All Sega has to do is give Sonic Team enough time to actually make the game good and also give the writers enough time to flesh them out.
Hey Nick, just a note on radical highway, it IS (lore wise) in the same location as Westopolis and Lethal highway (all within Central City) so I guess Black Doom does technically have a connection there.
ALL HAIL SHADOW HEROS RISE AGAIN
(also sidenote this perfectly put into words why shadow gens just clicked with me as a persons who only other boost game has been forces)
OBLITERATING EVERYTHING THATS NOT YO FRIEND!
37:54 Actually, it runs at 120 frames per second (at least on PC) which is an interesting first for a 3D Sonic game.
Colours Ultimate did that too
@@Sydney_Angelyt True, forgot about that.
This game was an absolute blast. I was introduced to the Sonic franchise by Sonic Adventure 2 and unfortunately ended my Sonic adventure with Sonic Colors. I played this game and I was absolutely blown away with the story and gameplay. I was interested in seeing what you thought of the game after hearing your thoughts on Shadow’s character and I am glad that you enjoyed it as much as a Shadow fan like myself.
I really think it's insane that Sega up and introduced an antichrist for the Sonic franchise, so much so that most old fans didn't want anything to do with the newer games involving him. Kind of a metal thing for Shadow to be, from a metacontextual perspective
I kinda wish Sage made a cameo during the frontiers portion of the game.
In frontiers she was compared to Maria briefly so that would have been kinda neat.
It wouldn't have fit into the story at all but it would have been neat
When they revealed Maria and Gerald were in the game I was concerned that magically bringing Maria back for closure would tarnish the great motivations that Shadow had. I'm pleased to say not only did they maintain that connection, they improved it and now Maria feels even more 'real' than she did before. How can you not adore writing like that?
The level choices were certainly made with reusing resources in mind, Ark was semi made in generations for the Shadow fight, Kingdom Valley, Chaos Island and Sunset Heights are already made since they’re from HD games and very clearly Metal Overlord used a recoloured Chemical Plant
7:19 EXCUSE ME IS THAT A SONIC CONDOM?
Oh my god!? How have I never heard of that before😭
It says "gotta c*m fast" too💀💀💀
I completely blocked that out of my mind until I saw it in this video, GET OUT OF MY HEAD.
Christ that can't be real right
i took the difference in white space's between sonic and shadow as a view of their beings. sonic is in the moment so his space is very short and empty with all platforms being related to the area he's exploring, whereas shadows is full grand buildings and pathways, almost that of a castle designed to protect that which he holds dear. because that's what makes shadow.... well shadow. ("i am all of me" pretty much)
i also loved that we got to see more of shadow then just his normal "hmph" or pout that hes been written with, hes given the spotlight and thus is able to show more emotion and growth.
my only gripes with the game are the octopus powers (just not explained very well and feels very clunky till you figure it all out) and that while there is a reason for it, i would have liked a super shadow transformation even if it was just a "oh you beat the game, here is this cosmetic skin for doom wings." very similar to how the sonics gain theirs after you beat their campaign.
I've seen someone make a theory that black doom didn't die in shadow the hedgehog, since we only saw him fall at the end of the devil doom fight. The theory suggests that when he fell, he landed on chaos island, explaining why the location appears in the game. The theory goes on to say he stayed on chaos island, trying come up with a new scheme, eventually leading to him returning once again, trying to take advantage of eggmans place with the time eater to come back, and use shadow to continue his plan.
They were fighting above a city, presumably Westopolis. How would he end up there?
I think the “he grew a new body from the Death Leech aboard the ARK we see in Dark Beginnings” makes a lot more sense, honestly.
@@Mrdengekioh well the person mentioned that, during the fight with devil doom, he and shadow teleport around a lot, and they thought he might have been teleporting around the world, and when the fight ended, they were above chaos island, though I'm not really sure if I believe that part. If you wanna see the theory for yourself, it was made by a youtuber named mr needle mouse, who posted a video about the theory before the game came out.
This has hit almost all the marks. The game play, the animation, the story, the voice acting. Just amazing! I especially love how this really fleshes out Gerald and Maria. Who they were before the tragedy on the Ark. I also applaud how they have used the fake Chaos Emerald and the yellow one Shadow had in the first Generations.
If I had to pick a replacement for Mephiles, I’d pick Keith Silverstein. His performance as Hawkmoth is similar to Dan Green’s Mephiles. Plus, the guy already voices Vector, so he’s already a part of the cast.
I wonder if Sliver would get the chance in the spotlight, like Shadow currently. Although I doubt there will ever be the year of Sliver 😅
I also hope Silver gets time in the spotlight
And for the love of Chaos LET THE OTHER CHARACTERS GO SUPER!
I'm kind of new to Sonic lore. Does Silver's Future (without being destroyed) Has anything defined yet? A game taking place there could be interesting.
@@abacaxigomes4416in Archie and a little bit in IDW but other than that we only see it in ruins
@@chilidogsonic6774Here's a question I'm pretty sure a lot of people are wondering: Does Silver remember the events of 06? You'd assume he would considering he's from the future...right? But then there's the version of Silver in Rivals and even Colors DS, I'm a bit confused, what I'm getting at is does Archie or IDW cover that at all
The dialogue in the hub world definitely leaves alot open for stories or Shadow stories for future games.
Hopefully Unleashed is next on the remaster table
Throw in a Silver campaign while you're at it
I am a huge fan of Shadow, and I am so glad to see people slowly understanding why I like the character so much. I'm a person who likes that Shadow didn't stay dead in SA2, who likes Shadow's game's and 06's stories, and who just wanted Sega to have good stories in Sonic games again. I became a fan because of Shadow, so this year has been amazing for me.
I can't be the only one who wants Shadow's doom abilities to stay as apart of his future moveset in other games. I believe its still up in the air whether defeating black doom reverted the mutations completely, but these are genetic abilities, so I don't think (story wise) it can't be something that returns later on, but on Shadow's own accord. Narratively the abilities give Shadows title of "The Ultimate lifeform" more weight by making him a creature adept at traversing all terrain as well as controlling time and space with chaos abilities, and gameplay wise they were just fun, and helped separate him from the pack.
Id even go as far to say that while id still like the see sonic team try there hand at a fully 3d sonic game without the boost similar to the adventure game, I think it would be cool to keep the boost formula with the doom powers for just shadow to make him completely different from sonic (though am still a bit iffy on this idea)
*AN OVER AN HOUR LONG EPISODE OF GAME APOLOGIST ABOUT THE NEW GAME AND ABOUT SHADOW?!*
*YES PLEASE.*
Can't wait to hear your thoughts about this amazing new addition and spark of hope for the franchise as a whole! :D
Hey Game Apologist, since Shadow’s is starting the “Year of” trend who do you think the next character should get a “Year of” game. I think Silver should be the next one, but I’ve been hearing people saying that Knuckles should be next. What’s your thought on this idea.
Absolutely. I feel knuckles in today's era ever since all his development became non canon, he became a token character, a joke or just not what he use to be. He is a strong as sonic is fast no one should ever be stronger, yet even that very idea was forgotten.
Shadow Generations has become one of my top favorite Sonic games along with Sonic Unleashed. The gameplay was fun, the returning levels were great to see (even Sunset Heights). The returning boss fights were awesome, especially the fight with Mephiles. And the story, while short was great in my opinion. This is probably the best characterization Shadow has received in a long time and it’s nice to see. Seeing Shadow have to leave Maria and Gerald again was heartbreaking. Yet he continues to move forward and carries the promise he made to them in his heart.
It’s great to see Sonic Team taking the stuff they’ve learned from Sonic Frontiers and other past games, and improving upon them with this game. And it has me excited for what the next mainline Sonic game will be. Something I couldn’t say a few years ago.
@agentomecha634 "sitting around talking about stuff that happened is the pinnacle"
"Eggman worrying about Sage's pronouns fits for the character"
Yeah all that unspoken baggage between Shadow and Gerald, I felt had to be addressed. My fic "In search of Spirit" makes a small attempt at that. I already have Maria as Shadow's guardian spirit. She was waiting for Shadow's timeline to catch up before she discussed it with him.
As someone who enjoyed his time with SxSG, I'm glad that Shadow's eating so well these days. After getting raked over the coals for being uptight or edgy (even in Boom, which shouldn't be complained about because Boom Shadow isn't the mainline Shadow and has no obligation to stick to his way of behavior at all), the guy is able to be the hedgehog who gets stuff done and values his allies, no matter what the pariah purists claim he's "supposed" to be like (be forewarned to any purists who show up, you weren't welcome then, and you're not welcome now). The writers handled Shadow so well in the story, and I cannot wait to see what's in store for him in future games, the movie, and IDW (once they finally get back to him after his little explosion incident...).
@pupununu3024 Pariah just has his interpretation of Shadow that he refuses to bulge on. Same with Kotytang. Others just can't accept that their take of Shadow where he'd totally be BFFs with Sonic and/or Amy but hides it and he'd be someone who "hangs out" or is totally above theft and never insults his enemies (hence all the fuss over how he handled Infinite) isn't in line with how the character actually is in game canon.
Speaking of Kingdom hearts, Sonic X Shadow Generations make me think of Kingdom hearts chain of memories.
A journey through the heroes past, split between the happy go lucky hero with a cocky smile and the edgy character of the group.
The edgy one constantly being hounded to give into the darkness.
I can see the parallel then and there.
@@the-point-bearer6689 And the final boss of the edgy story is a previous villain who held influence over the edgy characters so that's another parallel
If Shadow Generations is a sequel to Shadow 05, does that make this Shadow 06?
To give some insight on Black Doom here, his goal is the same as it was in Shadow the Hedgehog(2005), to continue his conquest over the universe and turn the inhabitants of Earth into slaves/a source of food, but he also has to take a few extra steps to that goal because the Black Comet and his species are extinct and Shadow is actively in the way, that's where the Time Eater comes into play. Black Doom survived fighting Super Shadow and the White Space has accelerated the growth of his new body and the resurrection of the Black Arms that were being produced in the Black Moon. Black Doom has control/influence over White Space due to the fact that he is the master/creator of Chaos Control, which naturally allows him to manipulate time and space and Radical Highway is Black Doom's realm. It takes the form of that stage via illusions in order to torment and remind Shadow of his campaign for revenge and his destructive nature as the champion of the Black Arms, as Black Doom can in fact create illusions as he did in Shadow's first spinoff title, Radical Highway isn't really there in the same way the other locations are, it's Black Doom's craftwork. What is also Black Doom's work are Shadow's new powers, in order to remove him as a threat, Black Doom is providing Shadow with new power, but the cost of such power is a deeper connection to the Black Arms, as Shadow grows in strength so does Black Doom and their bond, if Shadow were to reject the Black Arms once more, Black Doom would then decide to take over his body as the avatar of his return. Black Doom did not account for the fact that Shadow has grown significantly since their last encounter and has surpassed him in every way.
An idea on Black Dooms personality: He and Shadow are alike in a number of ways, but Black Doom is of course evil and is inherently tyrannical. Black Doom is highly intelligent, but also arrogant and cruel, he believes everything will go as he plans with enough force put behind it without having much consideration for retaliation since he believes himself to be the Immortal Lifeform and the Ultimate Power not dissimilar to Shadow. Black Doom is extremely proud of his own kind, especially Shadow and his growth in power only being possible as a result of him taking in more of Doom's DNA, however he detests the fact that Shadow doesn't look like one of the Black Arms(since Shadow as far as we know is 100% Black Arms and Gerald deliberately put him in the form of a Hedgehog) and greatly dislikes Shadow's sense of justice and duty to protect Earth rather than conquer it, which most likely means Black Doom dislikes Maria and her influence on Shadow, meaning Doom could very well have been the one to encourage the Black Warriors to attack her until Shadow intervened. Ultimately, Black Doom is debatably the most evil character known to the Sonic universe and has left a scar on the humans of that Earth that is bigger than any other villains thus far.
Otherwise known as "somehow Black Doom returns" plotline.
@@the-point-bearer6689 If you've seen the ending of Shadow the Hedgehog, you'd know Shadow never actually guarantees Black Doom's death, his Devil Doom form simply plummets and Shadow destroys the Black Comet with the Eclipse Cannon. We don't see the body or the eye of Black Doom properly destroyed.
Shadow generations is peak, we need frontiers 2 to solidify that sonic truly is back
@SonicTheBlueBlur15 Frontiers didn't have a great plot and messed up Eggman.
Do you guys think that the Real-Time FanDubs made by SnapCube helped make Shadow popular again?
Are we just assuming Shadow will lose his doom powers in future canon titles? My impression was that Shadow "took" those powers for himself. He and Black Doom share the same DNA, so I would assume those powers are essentially natural abilities for Shadow, and Doom just knew they would eventually manifest and he could try to take advantage of their connection in order to use and manipulate Shadow. But since they share DNA, those powers are as much Shadows as Black Doom's.
Probably as the cutscene when Shadow loses his wings were them looking like they were almost withering away while Shadow looked to be in pain.
That cutscene felt like a big sign that had "that's it, no more" written on it.
It's kinda necessary, Shadow didn't use those powers during forces or the comics and they come afterwards
@@nicholassgobero ahh that makes sense, I didn't play forces and I'm not up to date on the timeline
I only watched a gameplay walkthrough of Shadow Generations, so I’m not well versed in it so prove me wrong if need be.
At the end of most levels when Black Doom enters and transports Shadow to the city, I thought those sections are supposed to be the city from Shadow’s game and not Radical Highway. It made sense to me that Black Doom would bring Shadow back to Doom’s game: Shadow the Hedgehog. Meanwhile, Radical Highway is the final stage as a reflection of Shadow’s beginnings and first stage ever
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32:32 I would say it's similar to Scala ad Caelum from KH3, but yeah you made your point there now that I mentioned it. I have no shame whenever I correspond both franchises depending on context. 😅
I guess you have a point about the Doom Powers being extensions, instead of interruptions like the color powers.
Doom Spear is Chaos Spear, but more.
Doom Blast is an extension of Chaos Snap.
Doom Surf; Quickstepping.
Doom Morph: it's a more in-depth Homing Attack.
Doom Wings: Boost.
The other day I had a thought that I think Sega was trying a similar idea with the Wisp Choices in Planet Wisp. Pink Spikes is an extension of Classic Sonic's Spindash, and Orange Rocket is basically a vertical boost.
I wish Maria had a bit of sass to her character. I understand why she’s portrayed as the pinnacle of kindness, but she’s related to two mad scientists you’d think she’d have a bit of snark.
Tbf. It'd probably ooc. She didn't snark even when she was on the verge of death. She was always the best of humanity archetype.
22:35 ngl, the Doctor Doom reference and then cutting to Robert Downey Jr hurts my soul just a tiny bit. I get it, just a me thing lol.
Sunset Heights is my favourite level in this game. Who would of thought that a level from Sonic Forces could be so good in a different game
I want to point out that in the Sonic cutscene in Shadow gens, they are litellary in the ACT 1 of the ark
52:52 "Sonic shits"
Me thinking back on the time friends and i made the Sonic chilidogs from the official cookbook and two of us having the runs the next day.
And also watching the first Sonic movie were he farts after eating chilidogs, for the first time, and that kid ate how many? lets just say i wasn't rolling my eyes at it anymore.
Like many had said Shadow is growing and changing, his trauma can eventually heal and I feel like it was a good closure of his past. but now can he mend the rift of the family? Marias baby sister is out there, maybe its time to finally meet.
The Archie books kinda dealt with that at one point so I doubt Sega would reuse a plot those guys did.
@@Exlayer-pk8hy Never Reach archie, but the game cant just name drop family members and never appear XD
I hope sliver gets his own campaign
Is that thumbnail a reference to Lucifer?
Absolutely perfect, Brudda! I can't wait to see you make your review on the Sonic fan games you were recommended to :3
Bro made a movie and I am HERE FOR IT
Shadow Generations was exactly what I hoped for it was fantastic. Shadow is my favourite Sonic character and I hated the way he was depicted in the 2010’s. This was the return to form for the character I so hoped for as I feel he wasn’t edgy the hedgy in SA2, Heroes and 06
The S rank requirement for radical highway act 2,(no doom wings) are just too strict and demanding. I spent literally hours of my life only to come out with an A rank telling me I need to shave off 18 seconds. Not cool, man. I feel so bad for letting a video game take so much of my time. Geez
Very interesting approach to the topic! Thank you for such an informative video! 💚🍓
26:23 I see the editor hasn't gotten over that one Twitter ratio he got that time.
I'm not a sonic fan or rather didn't grow with the franchise, but I'm glad to see it doing well. I'm glad to see Shadow Generation wasn't a rushed add-on or something less. I hope this continues in future titles.
1:38 Bro was so proud of that one
One of your best videos. Loved the sympathetic look at the past of shadow and his fans.
This is cool but you know what could make this beter a burger
I grew up with the Genesis as well but I had practically no problems with the series till the Meta Era. I even love a lot of the so called Dark Age titles, so the phrasing was a bit jarring. Heck the Adventure Era is my favorite Era in the franchise.
I'm so glad people are seeing what a wondefful and lovely character our favorite ultimate lifeform is getting and his image reformation
I love this game it’s really awesome and as a shadow the hedgehog fan this game makes so happy and to see him reunite with love ones and team dark is really amazing and badass in my opinion.
The only big flaw the story has in my opinion is the start of the Sonic cutscene. Directly quotting the past games multiple times for no reason made me cringe. The rest is really great, especially Mephiles and all the Maria cutscenes. I am so happy that Shadow is not so aggressive and pissed anymore❤.
1:00:25 that’s one of the voice actors for Spider-Man (disk wars) and marvel spider man 2017 cartoon
When I saw Mephiles in the trailer I legit screamed. I saw it coming, what with the purple slime in promotional screenshots and the action figure recently, but I was still so happy.
I'm a big defender of 06. It's a bad game and very broken but I still really love it!
9:41 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
32:32
Correction: it’s KHs Hallow Bastion except the characters inhabited in the area have personalities. And no, I’m NOT a KH fan.
The ealt pillars and architecture in the white space remibded me of the digital dimension fron riders oddly enough
50:25 Kingdom Valley is my favorite out the entire game. Majestic but bombastic.
48:43 he just thought it was “radical”
Black Doom keeps bringing Shadow to Radical Highway because its where Shadow's anger were at it's highest. Its the place where Shadow declared vengeance and his plans of killing everyone and destroying the Earth. Granted, his memories were altered, but still. This was Shadow at his villain phase, and thats what Black Doom wants. He keeps bringing him to Radical Highway because Black Doom wants Shadow to be evil again.
Levels = Sequel to sonic Generations
Hub World = Sequel to sonic Frontiers
Story = Sequel to Shadow the Hedgehog
53:16 I always thought that is was a reference to another of SEGA's games House of the Dead's Magician. It even makes copies of itself which the magician can also do. Just something to think about I suppose.
I diddn't even mind the 2d sections because they were so well designed as challenges
To me Shadow Generations is not only Shadow accepting his past and letting it inspire him to move forward
It's Sonic Team's as well. Ever since 06 they felt like they were desperate to stay afloat. Doing everything to forget the past and try to make people move on. With Frontiers and Shadow Gens it feels like they finally accepted the fact that they made mistakes and rather then lock em away to never be seen. They're owning up to them and embracing them.
There's nothing to hide. No shadows to steer away from. No need to pretend.
For the first time Sonic Team feels like how they were before the dark ages. Before the swearing and princess kissing and gimmicks.
They feel like the group that called out Mario and Nintendo.
My only hope is that this positive momentum stays. Cause like it was said in the Archie Charmy vid so long ago. When you have so much more going on, you also have so much more to lose.
Also seriously can we get Infinite as a DLC fight or something? Seriously let him have something resembling dignity that isn't shaped like Forces or a Thwomp.
.....HOLY SHIT THE DOOM MORPH IS A PROTOTYPE FOR TANGLE GAMEPLAY. OH MY GOD THAT NEVER EVEN OCCURRED TO ME. NICK YOU GOD DAMNED GENIUS.
Honestly Shadow Generations is really really really damn good (peakalicious even)
The only real problem was Doom Morph being unintuitive and the small inconsistencies in gameplay between him and (Modern) Sonic, but everything else was amazing and I was hungering for more levels when I finished it
If we ever get a Silver Generations (which is unlikely, but you never know), I think it'd be a great opportunity to explore what the white space realm is. Find out what it's purpose is, what the deal is with the castles, who created it, etc. Silver is a perfect character to do that with considering his whole deal with time travel and finding the source of catastrophes. Helps that, just like Shadow, he was doing his own thing during the main plot, so you wouldn't have to worry about clashes.
The other thing I'd love to see them do is explain what happened to Blaze at the end of 06. Is the Blaze that died in 06 the same one from the Sol dimension? Does Silver remember the events of 06? Did Silver ever reconcile with Blaze's death? What was it like for him to see her again? Did he play a role in why she's alive in the Sol dimension? There's plenty of story potential there, and I'm sure Ian Flynn could pull it off.
Also, a Silver Gens would be the perfect place to bring Infinite back. They fought in Forces, let's get a rematch.
Honestly I think the Sol dimension isnt a different dimension at all, just the future.
They keep flip flopping on wether or not Classic Sonic, Blaze and Eggman Nega are from different universes or different time periods so maybe were just working on Dragon ball time travel or something.
Never thought I’d see a video in the Unapologetic series again. Great review regardless!!
I truly don't get everyone's love for Sonic Generations. Having replayed it for the rerelease, Modern Sonic handles just as bad as I remembered it, Classic Sonic doesn't handle all that well either, and I found the level design to be severely lacking.
Shadow Generations is awesome.
That is to be said, Sonic the Hedgehog AS A FRANCHISE was sure as hell a lot more fortunate than say, Mega Man. Who died in a whimper and a fanbase fractured as while Sonic had it's ups and downs, the Blue Bomber stagnated until the series flatlined. ReploidRevo beefing with Matpat was the final nail in the coffin, exposing the Mega Man community to be full of egotistical narcissists who refuse to give back to the very franchise that brought them joy in the first place and would rather have a participation trophy than reap the rewards.
What? I can assure you that the fanbase is not dead, quiet yes, but not dead.
However Reploid revo definitely was a bad case. Honestly, its surprising that it took this long for such a bad case to happen in the fanbase the first place.
Even better: Go watch Chaomix who extensively covered knuckles' and shadow's respective storylines and lore after you finished watching this video. What good is a sonic fan if they can't support fellow sonic creators?
reploid revo beefing with matpat wasn't that big a deal. what was, on the other hand, a big deal was the fact that he was a pedophile.
@@El_Minceok now that is concerning, did he groom someone or something??!
@@El_MinceHe was going for prepubescents?
53:02 What did you have to type into the search bar of whatever browser you use to find that image? Are you regretful?
A Certified Shadow video.
I don't think Black Doom has control over the environment. It's more like the illusions/flashback levels he creates in Shadow 05
32:38 Nope, not me. Never played Kingdom Hearts, probably never will. Nothing about those games appeals to me in the slightest, whereas I actually like Shadow.
honestly I like fishing in games, as long as it doesn't feel forced I'm fine with it. Like how in fire emblem three houses, it's nice to take a break from the main gameplay. And in fronters its funer to grind memory tokens by fishing since it's quicker than if you were to do it by running around in the open zone and hoping that you don't encounter a boss that's going to slow you down.
Stellar Blade has good fishing too
If your not thinking of Mario when your playing Shadpw generations then the team still did a pretty good job in my opinion 👍
Finished shadow generations the other day just starting my first playthrough of sonic generations on the ps4
Bow your head now, All Hail Shadow!
32:34
Looks more like Scala ad Caelum if you ask me.
51:35 I think you mean Chaos Spear instead of Chaos Control ;-)
You know people complaining about Radical Highway being the next Green Hill,but they forgot that you had to play Westpolis for 326th time and that was in a single game
I mean, to be fair, Westopolis was tied to one game, and you only played it 326 times if you were going for _all_ the titles in the library; otherwise, you had to play it 10 times in order to get the true ending, and again, Westopolis has only ever been a level in Shadow the Hedgehog, and has never been featured in another game since. They could've featured it in Shadow's campaign here, but they chose his debut stage, Radical Highway.
1:00:46 well duh
I already made the comparison to SpongeBob FRAME 0
*He wants to LIIIIIVE!!!!*
I always saw 2d boost as a nice callback to sonic rush rush and rush adventure, and while yes, i always found them the least fun portions of the levels, i still found them fine enough. Just a little too much in the casr of colors (especially since we got colors ds the same day)