It helps to remember that Betty isn's even 30 when Mad Men begins, (she is about 28) and Don is 6 years older. By the time we see her patience as home mother show stress cracks, Don has been doing years of damage to her, despite her obvious love for him. in the beginning she is a still stunning young woman, despite two pregnancies who dresses beautifully, keeps a tidy and attractive home, prepares meals at all hours for her errant husband, always welcomes his company and time, and is always interested in his life and career. Despite her good education and good brain, and the successful effort she puts into being the best enthusiastic and cooperative corporate wife she can be (unlike Megan), Don misuses her in every way and demeans her.
It's no mistake that she follows him with the box to various different spots in the house. A representation of how he's always run and the history has always followed him anyway.
@@jprz13 I'm not sure if you mean he might not remember otherwise or if you mean he doesn't want to forget, but I respectfully disagree. I think he would be chasing Betty and she would be threatening to destroy it if you were correct. I also, think his childhood wouldn't be so full of trauma if he needed to remember it for some type of moral lesson. Its pure pain and he can't get rid of it let alone reloctae it to a less personal space than his symbolic personal desk in his home. If he moves it to work it will bubble up there as we saw when Pete got ahold of it. His trauma is that box and he doesn't need it or want it, but cant figure out how to keep it or destroy it... just like real trauma.
The hardest part about this scene is it's one of the most authentic parts of Don that Betty will ever see, but she doesn't realize that. And he's unable to explain anything to her in a way she might understand. He's almost at his most vulnerable here and she thinks of him as this big time ad exec when he's really just a lost boy. "I was surprised that you ever loved me." That's almost as authentic as Don is during the entire series.
Disagree with this. She definitely realizes that the entire illusion of who he is has been completely shattered. The entire lead up to this is her coming to terms with the fact that the life she built with this man is based on a lie. And she has every right to be upset about it.
It is the authentic Don, but Betty does realize that. The thing is: she has been begging him to show her his authentic self, and he never did. She respected this at some level because she thought he was hiding something painful. It turned out he was hiding pure deceit - and this left her too empty to recognize the deceit was rooted in pain. I can't fault her for that - the lies just ran too deep.
@@bigpapasmurfz6252 in those days, women were supposed to marry up, not down. Considering Betty comes from a rich family, she defiantly wouldn't want to marry a poor prostitutes son.
@@willarterberry3392 'Those days' continues to this day. It was more pronounced back then, because women mostly didnt have jobs out of the house. Betty was raised to be a wretched, stuck up person. And her parents succeeded mightily at that task.
Jon Hamm is such an amazing actor. He plays the submissive guilty part in this scene perfectly. It's absolutely contrasting with his usual charming and self-assured presentation. Great scene.
Hah.. if he was truly being submissive he would have told her he was sorry and regretted having not been honest with her. She gave him the chance to be sincere and he never took it. Being guilty is on thing. Not having the sincerity, the humility, the honesty to properly deal with a crisis like this is why his marriage couldn't survive.
It's also because he's a partial alcoholic and he hasn't had a drink yet. He's shaking and the stress makes it worse. That's why Betty offers to get him a drink.
@@bjornyesterday2562 No, he's close to being an alcoholic and the stress is making his shakes even worse. He can barely function. This is a moment he never thought he'd experience in life and he hasn't had his fix yet, so it's really messing with him. That's why Betty offers to get him a drink. This was probably more common back in the 50's.
Don dropping his cigarette revealed quite a bit about his true inner self. In this scene, Betty finally meets Dick Whitman. As Donald Draper, he’s suave, has all the answers and seems invulnerable. He was none of those things as Dick Whitman. He was just a poor, damaged boy running for his life. Betty sees all of his flaws laid bare. Don is not the all American man of the hour she hoped he was. There is nothing but a rapidly eroding shell of perfection hiding a deeply flawed individual.
She thinks he spends too much he gave a Mexican bellboy a 2 dollar tip and she bitched about that being a weeks wage for that guy. She probably would give him 2 pennies and a sip of her coke.
@@HusseinDoha I said that Betty thinks he spends too much not that he actually does. I think he is generous to people who don't have much we see him often helping people out with money and Betty thinks that means he doesn't understand money because in her mind you should be generous to those who have a lot and stingy to those who have little. Because she grew up very spoiled and Don grew up dirt poor.
I think its more accurate to say Don doesn't love money like most of his peers do. There's many instances of him giving away large sums of money that he doesn't have to. He's one of the few people in the show that understands money doesn't buy happiness.
I found this scene to be astonishingly well acted. You can see his face go white with the realization he is caught. This was her best moment in the series as well. She had been an object of some contempt, as written and how she was regarded by other characters in the show. Here she is angry, vulnerable, compassionate and fierce.
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"angry, vulnerable, compassionate and fierce" that's such a good summation!
The silence in this scene is the best part of it. It just hangs and hangs and hangs. Ugh, it feels like we're in the room with them. I feel the dread with both of them.
@@bigpapasmurfz6252 he continually cheated and gaslighted her for years, i love don as he's the protagonist but you just look stupid pretending he wasn't a massive shithead to betts.
I love that kitchen, the first time I saw it on screen it reminded me so HARD of some friend's kitchen I had been to as a child back then. That whole series was like someone reaching down to pull the very oldest memories out of my gut. It's one hell of a show for GenX'ers.
Damn Don really caused his greatest fear to come true. It wasn’t all him, but he was completely responsible. He kept his secrets from Betty and lied to her about pretty much everything, and by the time he tried to change it was too late. She forced the truth out of him and since he never told her any of it she was understandably overwhelmed hearing it all at once. He always feared that if people knew who he really was, they’d reject him, and it actually happened because of his choices.
After all those therapy sessions where Don had Betty basically diagnosed as child, I can't imagine what this did to Betty mentally. All the lies, from day one. She deserved much better than Don.
@@charliewatts6895 Thank you! Thank you and a *few* others who see this marriage, Don, and Betty as it and they are. Betty was far from perfect, and she certainly had her issues, but if we are talking about being a good wife, homemaker, partner, and mother, I have always felt that Betty did her best with what she was given. If Don had ever shown her the attention, nurturing, love, devotion, and faithfulness that Betty (and his children) deserved, Betty wouldn’t have felt so compelled to sometimes resort to childish tactics to push his buttons. Betty was a terribly neglected woman who was oppressed and repressed. She had no autonomy, and Don was a wishy washy, emotionally unavailable prick who never appreciated what he had. The time he shamed her for wearing the yellow bikini- that’s just one example of how he needs to dull the sparkle in his wives/partners, so that he can feel bigger and in control. Betty loved Don. She loved what she could of him, and she gave her best. Don/Dick, with his Madonna/Whore complex, along with his narcissism and alcoholism, isn’t suited to being a true friend or partner, for he’s just not capable. I am glad that Betty found better for herself and children.
Lastly, I find the scenes of Betty's reaction to Don everytime (whatever the context) he acts even briefly like an interested & loving father heartbreaking. You can see Betty's unbridled joy and love for her children and husband in these scenes.... It is tragic how few and far between they seem to be, and how fleeting they are. Betty believed that Don had it in him to be a good man, and a loving and faithful husband and father...and she loved him for that and she gave him her best for a very long time.
but why does he says they made a mistake, when in the flashbacks we see clearly that it was him who exchanged the tags! that is why they got confused in the first place...he keeps lying!
You could argue that in an adrenaline rush, it's possible he forgot exactly what happened or comprehended what he was doing, but I personally think he was just trying to deflect his own blame/guilt.
I don't think you can interpret his actions on the battle field as malicious. He had just watched his friend die right in front of him and likely wasn't thinking straight with the Adrenalin. The thought of changing his identity was probably the last thing on his mind at that time.
Don says almost the same words to Lane before firing him. "I can't trust you." (Just saw that someone else made the same connection.) Lots of romantic and business betrayals throughout the show.
One thing always pissed me off, Don has everything a man strives for and always finds way not to be happy while all around him are envious of him and wish they were him
Christopher Marcek, are you envious of Don? I’ve found myself admiring his success in career and women. I too felt envy. His unhappiness and faults of character just goes to show that no matter how polished you are on the outside, we all suffer in our own special ways. The fallacy of envy is that one can never know whether someone else truly has it better than them.
Don deserves this. If he really learned how to love Betty, he would not have been treated in this way. She will be much nicer and choose to forgive whatever in the past. The things you hurted will come back to hurt you. It's the principle of life.
It's so crazy to think that the hate he had for himself, his upbringing, his family, excetera...I'm led him into becoming the complete opposite of what "he thought" dick was to ultimately have this amazing life but in the end he couldn't shake who he was, ended up being just like his dad... just a wealthy version of a man who fought hard to convince many others he was the complete package.
When a smart girl catches you, daaaaammmmm, man specially when they are angry, and start making questions ... its worse than an FBI investigator,. That moment when she leaves and says we are not done... Daaammm you want that baby to cry forever.
She's not smart.... It's just that the pile of lies and Don's dual double life are becoming such a mountain of mess that even naieve Betty finally sees it.
@@MilanVoorhees Difficullt I agree. Well she married a man who didn't want to talk about his past, family etc. I think there's a bad start already... But well it's just a series and it's a great watch:)
She cares. He’s her husband and the father of her children, but he never told her his real name. In a professional environment, it shouldn’t matter that much, but at home he had the obligation to tell her the truth, like he told Megan.
@@christinaa.1165 Yeah i get her frustration but Don's got such a complex past and so many issues i also understand his "want" to just forget all that and look forward.
So many people hated on Betty, and while she was seriously flawed & could be horrible, she was a product of circumstance & the time period. That being said, I applauded her for finding her voice and trying to be progressive in her life. It was sad that her dream was shattered by the reality of cancer.
Every single wife of a protagonist in American television, for some reason, is hated for some reason. I mean more than is usually warranted. Skylar white, Betty, Carmela. Of course they're all deeply flawed in their own ways but usually I find the hate and contempt to be disproportionate. I guess the exceptions might be Elizabeth Jennings and Kim wexler, but they're more like co-leads than they are the wives of the protagonists.
@@michaelcorcoran8768because those men who watch these shows project themselves onto don/tony/walter believing that they are examples of what it means to be a "man", grossly ignorant that the creators of the shows are AGAINST men like don/tony/walter because of their violent, sexist, outdated ideologies. so when the wife reprimands the male lead, they're often completely dogpiled on even when the male lead characters are in fact terrible fathers, husbands and people in general.
Lol this just makes me think about that apartment he got in the village. Creative director of a Madison Avenue ad company and he’s living in this dark little apt next to a nurse lmao. He clearly had no idea how to spend his money.
Betty feels completely betrayed and heartbroken. She had kids with this dude. January Jones is a powerhouse. Betty is amazing in her own way. But it's Jon Hamm who has to balance incredible guilt over taking the man's identity and life, the entire thing with Anna, the war, his real history, Adam's death and the terrifying idea that Betty might go to the police and his life is over. Don Draper is an incredible character and every second of this scene is a different emotion for Hamm to play. It's a long segment too. The entire scene is over 13 mins. In its prime, I'd put Mad Men's quality against any other show. Hamm and Jones should go down in history as one of the best TV couples of all time.
“You don’t understand money.” No. He understands money. He just uses it as a psychological coping mechanism for his shame about being poor and abused. And he himself doesn’t understand that fact. But there is a difference between that and not understanding money.
It's a reference to how wealthy people handle assets. Her family grew up with it so she would have known her father and other people to use money to diversify income and create more money reducing liabilities. I think that is what she is referencing.
"Because I must be crazy not to want this," her reply to his suggestion of psychological help for her, after he'd already been undermining her with her psychiatrist in season one. I agree about the quality of this scene, the importance of it, but it goes too to my disappointment in the finale that left the Don/Dick lie intact. We were abandoned to wonder if he got through the rest of his life undiscovered. As Don himself told Pete when that government contract would have brought catastrophic background checks, "it's desertion." It's legally actionable indefinitely, and all the more so because Don makes it an ongoing crime every time he signs any government form: a driver's license, a wedding license, a voting registration, taxes. By the end of the series also, too many people know all or some of truth to believe the lid stays on the lie: Pete, Betty, Stephanie, Megan, and Faye. _And_ if we're to believe "Don Draper" came up with the landmark 'teach the world to sing' Coke jingle, that would surely have fostered some broad professional jealousy that might, in turn, have fostered some dirt-digging. There hasn't been a better television series yet, and we'll wait a long time for something comparable, but this one wasn't fully perfect either.
He was actually responsible for that guy's death. And when he switched identities with him he cheated the real Don Draper's widow out of her insurance benefits and he wasn't going to rectify the situation if she hadn't caught him. What Dick/Don did was actually pretty lousy.
I don’t blame Dick Whitman for making a foolhardy decision to take Donald Draper’s name to get out of Korea. It was shortsighted but it worked, and it’s the sort of desperate, poorly thought out action someone in their late teens/early twenties might do. But I do blame him for everything afterwards. Carrying on as Don Draper, entwining Betty in his lie, subjecting her to the emotional abuse of his gaslighting and philandering. He has A LOT to answer for!
People who cheat are really just fucked up in the head. I cant believe they can legit die peacefully as long as no body finds out. but them getting caught cheating is absolutely crippling for them. Not because they give a fuck about their partners feelings, but because their perfect image is being tainted and they are forced to reveal their true self, which is as ugly as you can be.
He likely was hoping that she would take Bert Cooper's view that " a man is whatever room, that he's in". After all he was only Dick Whitman in one box, in a drawer, in his study.
Maybe they cut some scene or something because when they sit at the table she has her arms crossed, uncrosses them, the camera moves away and when it's back, she has her arms crossed again. But it is still a great scene.
Nope I’m a open book to my husband and everyone product of rape my mom was illegal in the US so she had to have me under a fake name. But also times have changed sooo much I’m sure in our day if he told the truth said he was abused as a child and then his army buddy died no one would have blamed him and praised his success and overcoming everything but back then it was a different ball game unfortunately. Even 32 years back my aunt raised me as her because she didn’t want my mom to carry the shame of having a baby out of welock
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It helps to remember that Betty isn's even 30 when Mad Men begins, (she is about 28) and Don is 6 years older. By the time we see her patience as home mother show stress cracks, Don has been doing years of damage to her, despite her obvious love for him. in the beginning she is a still stunning young woman, despite two pregnancies who dresses beautifully, keeps a tidy and attractive home, prepares meals at all hours for her errant husband, always welcomes his company and time, and is always interested in his life and career. Despite her good education and good brain, and the successful effort she puts into being the best enthusiastic and cooperative corporate wife she can be (unlike Megan), Don misuses her in every way and demeans her.
@@EBM65-wh3fn Thank you.
I agree. She was both a stunning woman and a good wife, and he was a terrible husband.
It's no mistake that she follows him with the box to various different spots in the house. A representation of how he's always run and the history has always followed him anyway.
myroc1 he needed the box to never forget
@@jprz13 I'm not sure if you mean he might not remember otherwise or if you mean he doesn't want to forget, but I respectfully disagree. I think he would be chasing Betty and she would be threatening to destroy it if you were correct. I also, think his childhood wouldn't be so full of trauma if he needed to remember it for some type of moral lesson.
Its pure pain and he can't get rid of it let alone reloctae it to a less personal space than his symbolic personal desk in his home. If he moves it to work it will bubble up there as we saw when Pete got ahold of it. His trauma is that box and he doesn't need it or want it, but cant figure out how to keep it or destroy it... just like real trauma.
Great metaphor
The hardest part about this scene is it's one of the most authentic parts of Don that Betty will ever see, but she doesn't realize that. And he's unable to explain anything to her in a way she might understand. He's almost at his most vulnerable here and she thinks of him as this big time ad exec when he's really just a lost boy.
"I was surprised that you ever loved me." That's almost as authentic as Don is during the entire series.
David Eagin Lost boys need toys, not wives.
@@i.e.presents638
or maybe they need a mother / father
Women want men to be more vulnerable. Then when they finally are, ka-boom! Take note, men, this is what happens when you show vulnerability.
Disagree with this. She definitely realizes that the entire illusion of who he is has been completely shattered. The entire lead up to this is her coming to terms with the fact that the life she built with this man is based on a lie. And she has every right to be upset about it.
It is the authentic Don, but Betty does realize that. The thing is: she has been begging him to show her his authentic self, and he never did. She respected this at some level because she thought he was hiding something painful. It turned out he was hiding pure deceit - and this left her too empty to recognize the deceit was rooted in pain. I can't fault her for that - the lies just ran too deep.
"What would you do if you were me? Would you love you?"
"I was surprised that you ever loved me."
Pierces me every single time.
Serena Bramble I would have just given the Life Cereal presentation if Betty caught me. She wouldn’t know what to make of it.
@Serena Bramble Thats DICK WHITMAN talking.
Betty woulda nevah married that guy.
And thats the tragedy of it all.
@@bigpapasmurfz6252 in those days, women were supposed to marry up, not down. Considering Betty comes from a rich family, she defiantly wouldn't want to marry a poor prostitutes son.
@@willarterberry3392 'Those days' continues to this day.
It was more pronounced back then, because women mostly didnt have jobs out of the house.
Betty was raised to be a wretched, stuck up person.
And her parents succeeded mightily at that task.
@@willarterberry3392 no ...but she is trash....she should have stood by him
Jon Hamm is such an amazing actor. He plays the submissive guilty part in this scene perfectly. It's absolutely contrasting with his usual charming and self-assured presentation. Great scene.
Because he's Dick in this scene :O
I feel he deserves at least one more emmy for his performance in Mad Men.
He's still lying his ass off.
The best role he’ll ever play.
Hah.. if he was truly being submissive he would have told her he was sorry and regretted having not been honest with her. She gave him the chance to be sincere and he never took it. Being guilty is on thing. Not having the sincerity, the humility, the honesty to properly deal with a crisis like this is why his marriage couldn't survive.
U know Don's stressing out when he dropped his cigarette
He was acting for sympathy
It's also because he's a partial alcoholic and he hasn't had a drink yet. He's shaking and the stress makes it worse. That's why Betty offers to get him a drink.
@@bjornyesterday2562 No, he's close to being an alcoholic and the stress is making his shakes even worse. He can barely function. This is a moment he never thought he'd experience in life and he hasn't had his fix yet, so it's really messing with him. That's why Betty offers to get him a drink. This was probably more common back in the 50's.
Don dropping his cigarette revealed quite a bit about his true inner self. In this scene, Betty finally meets Dick Whitman. As Donald Draper, he’s suave, has all the answers and seems invulnerable. He was none of those things as Dick Whitman. He was just a poor, damaged boy running for his life. Betty sees all of his flaws laid bare. Don is not the all American man of the hour she hoped he was. There is nothing but a rapidly eroding shell of perfection hiding a deeply flawed individual.
"I see how you are with money you don't understand it." Is my favorite line here.
She thinks he spends too much he gave a Mexican bellboy a 2 dollar tip and she bitched about that being a weeks wage for that guy. She probably would give him 2 pennies and a sip of her coke.
@@shitonskyrim Except he doesn't spend too much. With the exception to tipping bellboys good money. He's frugal in other occasions.
@@HusseinDoha I said that Betty thinks he spends too much not that he actually does. I think he is generous to people who don't have much we see him often helping people out with money and Betty thinks that means he doesn't understand money because in her mind you should be generous to those who have a lot and stingy to those who have little. Because she grew up very spoiled and Don grew up dirt poor.
I think its more accurate to say Don doesn't love money like most of his peers do. There's many instances of him giving away large sums of money that he doesn't have to. He's one of the few people in the show that understands money doesn't buy happiness.
I think alot about this line
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim. Millions of families suffer every year.
Network XIII lmao
Michael!!!!
🐻 beat Battlestar Galactica
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Lol
I found this scene to be astonishingly well acted. You can see his face go white with the realization he is caught. This was her best moment in the series as well. She had been an object of some contempt, as written and how she was regarded by other characters in the show. Here she is angry, vulnerable, compassionate and fierce.
"angry, vulnerable, compassionate and fierce" that's such a good summation!
"I see how you are with money, you don't understand it."
This is great acting. I feel Hamm and January are both underrated as actors.
Why? They're both acclaimed.
Not necessarily underrated they just got pigeonholed with Mad Men and couldn't seem to get anymore decent acting jobs.
@@winnienguyen4420 not true. John Hamm has been in a lot of stuff since. He just decided not to do leading stuff
Respectfully, January Jones isn’t underrated. She simply wasn’t a very good actor (unlike Jon Hamm).
@@Godzilla370 He’s good in Friends with Kids
The silence in this scene is the best part of it. It just hangs and hangs and hangs. Ugh, it feels like we're in the room with them. I feel the dread with both of them.
Are you thinking of what to say or are you just looking at that door?
Savage!
In the meantime, teach is sitting in the car with her suitcase waiting for the trip out of town that will never happen.
emerybayblues lmaooo
She bad af too
I hate her
"I can't trust you" -- same line that Don says to Lane when he fires him.
One of the moments I was really proud of Betty.
I learned to despise her here. Don deserved better.
@@janetsminten8196 how... He lied to his wife of three years
@Emmawat What 'His cheating ass'.
And Betty is what, a Saint?
Nah.
@@bigpapasmurfz6252 he continually cheated and gaslighted her for years, i love don as he's the protagonist but you just look stupid pretending he wasn't a massive shithead to betts.
Proud of her? Why?
Would have loved seeing Bert Cooper entering the room saying "who cares ?"
The way she walks into the room and throws the box on the table. 🤣🤣🤣
I love that kitchen, the first time I saw it on screen it reminded me so HARD of some friend's kitchen I had been to as a child back then. That whole series was like someone reaching down to pull the very oldest memories out of my gut. It's one hell of a show for GenX'ers.
I'm so sad that Netflix is taking this masterpiece off
When are they taking it off?
Ben Lazarus June 10.
Thanks f1god04
Thats why I bought the series on blu-ray , looks fantastic. If you want to truly own something get it on physical media.
If Netflix could choose, they’d keep it. It’s AMC who chose to not renew their contract with Netflix.
honestly this series was so great and theres nothing quite like it now
Love how Don just forgets about his girlfriend sitting outside in his car
Didn’t really have a choice…
So glad too!!! Serves her right being with a MARRIED man. Then she has to shamefully walk home with her suitcase. LOL.
Damn Don really caused his greatest fear to come true. It wasn’t all him, but he was completely responsible. He kept his secrets from Betty and lied to her about pretty much everything, and by the time he tried to change it was too late. She forced the truth out of him and since he never told her any of it she was understandably overwhelmed hearing it all at once. He always feared that if people knew who he really was, they’d reject him, and it actually happened because of his choices.
Nice
most powerful scene of the entire series imo
Agreed, and it should put to rest the notion that January Jones isn't a good actress.
"Mrs. Draper, who cares?" - Bert probably
Don wanted Betty to meet Anna, she could've been his cousin, but Anna said it was an opportunity to start a new life... Such a great scene.
January Jones is so wonerdwully beautiful.
She's weird though. I wouldn't go all youtube judgement and say crazy. But... Weird. Haha
Michael Lynch 'wonerdwully'..?
Her physical beauty is what you notice in this scene...really? Are you seriously that dense?
@@i.e.presents638 Relax. She’s gorgeous.
My wife when she found out that the fishing rod I got for “a good deal” did NOT in fact cost only $30…
What a tangled web we weave, when first we try to deceive.
After all those therapy sessions where Don had Betty basically diagnosed as child, I can't imagine what this did to Betty mentally. All the lies, from day one. She deserved much better than Don.
That's the thing I can't get over - how he gaslighted her. Made her think something that was clearly false.
@@charliewatts6895 Thank you! Thank you and a *few* others who see this marriage, Don, and Betty as it and they are. Betty was far from perfect, and she certainly had her issues, but if we are talking about being a good wife, homemaker, partner, and mother, I have always felt that Betty did her best with what she was given.
If Don had ever shown her the attention, nurturing, love, devotion, and faithfulness that Betty (and his children) deserved, Betty wouldn’t have felt so compelled to sometimes resort to childish tactics to push his buttons. Betty was a terribly neglected woman who was oppressed and repressed. She had no autonomy, and Don was a wishy washy, emotionally unavailable prick who never appreciated what he had. The time he shamed her for wearing the yellow bikini- that’s just one example of how he needs to dull the sparkle in his wives/partners, so that he can feel bigger and in control.
Betty loved Don. She loved what she could of him, and she gave her best. Don/Dick, with his Madonna/Whore complex, along with his narcissism and alcoholism, isn’t suited to being a true friend or partner, for he’s just not capable. I am glad that Betty found better for herself and children.
Well Don wasn't a good husband, but her 2nd husband (who was admittedly a better one) also diagnosed her as a child because she really was childish.
Then why the f*ck did she marry him??? Riddle me THAT one, Batman!
@@misterwhipple2870 how could she have known she was making a mistake if he was lying the whole time? Use your brain 😂
What an amazing woman. “ I’ll get you a drink “ while she’s absolutely pissed.
The good ol' days
Ben Rosen because even then asshole are no heroes
Lastly, I find the scenes of Betty's reaction to Don everytime (whatever the context) he acts even briefly like an interested & loving father heartbreaking. You can see Betty's unbridled joy and love for her children and husband in these scenes.... It is tragic how few and far between they seem to be, and how fleeting they are. Betty believed that Don had it in him to be a good man, and a loving and faithful husband and father...and she loved him for that and she gave him her best for a very long time.
The "I can't trust you; I don't know who you are" inadvertently (or not?) foreshadows Layne's "departure" much later in the series.
Now even I want a drink after seeing this scene...and I don't drink.
One of the best and most powerful scenes in tv history... Just oh my god
Danny Jones take it easy lol
this scene was the ultimate " fuck, fuck, fuck!!!" moment. like, i felt like don did when my parents caught me smoking weed for the first time
but why does he says they made a mistake, when in the flashbacks we see clearly that it was him who exchanged the tags! that is why they got confused in the first place...he keeps lying!
You could argue that in an adrenaline rush, it's possible he forgot exactly what happened or comprehended what he was doing, but I personally think he was just trying to deflect his own blame/guilt.
Fact and memory are always different. People always remember things differently.
As most lies are, he tells part and feels like it IS the truth.
Actually he admits to taking Don's identity. He's saying the people who think he's Don are confused
I don't think you can interpret his actions on the battle field as malicious. He had just watched his friend die right in front of him and likely wasn't thinking straight with the Adrenalin. The thought of changing his identity was probably the last thing on his mind at that time.
Don says almost the same words to Lane before firing him. "I can't trust you." (Just saw that someone else made the same connection.) Lots of romantic and business betrayals throughout the show.
One thing always pissed me off, Don has everything a man strives for and always finds way not to be happy while all around him are envious of him and wish they were him
Christopher Marcek, are you envious of Don? I’ve found myself admiring his success in career and women. I too felt envy.
His unhappiness and faults of character just goes to show that no matter how polished you are on the outside, we all suffer in our own special ways.
The fallacy of envy is that one can never know whether someone else truly has it better than them.
@@mairuzo maybe in a way also he pissed me off too so I'd say both
4:11 "I see how you are with money; you don't understand it." Whoa.
Don deserves this. If he really learned how to love Betty, he would not have been treated in this way. She will be much nicer and choose to forgive whatever in the past. The things you hurted will come back to hurt you. It's the principle of life.
It's so crazy to think that the hate he had for himself, his upbringing, his family, excetera...I'm led him into becoming the complete opposite of what "he thought" dick was to ultimately have this amazing life but in the end he couldn't shake who he was, ended up being just like his dad... just a wealthy version of a man who fought hard to convince many others he was the complete package.
When a smart girl catches you, daaaaammmmm, man specially when they are angry, and start making questions ... its worse than an FBI investigator,. That moment when she leaves and says we are not done... Daaammm you want that baby to cry forever.
She's not smart.... It's just that the pile of lies and Don's dual double life are becoming such a mountain of mess that even naieve Betty finally sees it.
@@sverduijn1 why do you think she's not smart
@@MilanVoorhees Because she took so long to find out.
@@sverduijn1 how else could she have possibly found this out
@@MilanVoorhees Difficullt I agree. Well she married a man who didn't want to talk about his past, family etc. I think there's a bad start already...
But well it's just a series and it's a great watch:)
I'm going to use the name Dick Whitman the next time I make a restaurant reservation.
In the great words of Bert Cooper "Who cares ?".
She cares. He’s her husband and the father of her children, but he never told her his real name. In a professional environment, it shouldn’t matter that much, but at home he had the obligation to tell her the truth, like he told Megan.
@@christinaa.1165 Yeah i get her frustration but Don's got such a complex past and so many issues i also understand his "want" to just forget all that and look forward.
she'd probably never seen him like that, unbelievable scene
So hard to watch in such a great way. Amazing writing and performances across the board
The acting here is amazing
When the wife says "we're not done"....the old pucker factor goes up by a scale of ten...
"Why did you need to know" lol
When Don Draper says he needs a drink, then takes a drink of water, you know its bad
I love Betty and don they just perfect they understand eachother very well
When he looks at that door, I can almost hear the chorus to 50 Ways To Leave Your Lover playing
Sometimes one is reluctant to bury the past...until it catches up with you.
BEST episode ever!!!!
no music.. incredible
This scene isn't Don Draper. It's Dick Whitman.
The lane Pryce firing scene comes to mind.
This episode was an all-time great
So many people hated on Betty, and while she was seriously flawed & could be horrible, she was a product of circumstance & the time period. That being said, I applauded her for finding her voice and trying to be progressive in her life. It was sad that her dream was shattered by the reality of cancer.
Every single wife of a protagonist in American television, for some reason, is hated for some reason. I mean more than is usually warranted. Skylar white, Betty, Carmela. Of course they're all deeply flawed in their own ways but usually I find the hate and contempt to be disproportionate.
I guess the exceptions might be Elizabeth Jennings and Kim wexler, but they're more like co-leads than they are the wives of the protagonists.
@@michaelcorcoran8768I can't stand Betty but that's about it. I honestly just think its in comparison Megan who just seems like she's more fun
@@michaelcorcoran8768because those men who watch these shows project themselves onto don/tony/walter believing that they are examples of what it means to be a "man", grossly ignorant that the creators of the shows are AGAINST men like don/tony/walter because of their violent, sexist, outdated ideologies. so when the wife reprimands the male lead, they're often completely dogpiled on even when the male lead characters are in fact terrible fathers, husbands and people in general.
Lol this just makes me think about that apartment he got in the village. Creative director of a Madison Avenue ad company and he’s living in this dark little apt next to a nurse lmao. He clearly had no idea how to spend his money.
Giving Megan a million bucks was pure raving insanity.
@@misterwhipple2870espec since adjusted for inflation that would be over $8 million today
*The young teacher was in the car all that time!*
Betty feels completely betrayed and heartbroken. She had kids with this dude. January Jones is a powerhouse. Betty is amazing in her own way.
But it's Jon Hamm who has to balance incredible guilt over taking the man's identity and life, the entire thing with Anna, the war, his real history, Adam's death and the terrifying idea that Betty might go to the police and his life is over. Don Draper is an incredible character and every second of this scene is a different emotion for Hamm to play. It's a long segment too. The entire scene is over 13 mins. In its prime, I'd put Mad Men's quality against any other show.
Hamm and Jones should go down in history as one of the best TV couples of all time.
“You don’t understand money.” No. He understands money. He just uses it as a psychological coping mechanism for his shame about being poor and abused. And he himself doesn’t understand that fact. But there is a difference between that and not understanding money.
It's a reference to how wealthy people handle assets. Her family grew up with it so she would have known her father and other people to use money to diversify income and create more money reducing liabilities. I think that is what she is referencing.
This time, there was no Bert Copper to say, “Who cares?”
Easy for him to say that he doesn't have 3 kids with Don.
"We're not done."
When he fumbles the cigarette >
The amazing mr. Ridley....sooo many men like this.
*_BECAUSE OF SO MANY WOMEN LIKE THAT._*
Reading these comments makes it clear most people don't understand this show at all.
Dick Witman is such a sniveling name too, really fits the dichotomy of Don Draper.
"I see how you are with money you don't understand it."
He could have just burn the photos and no one would ever notice.
House of,cards falling part!!! This is the best episodue of the entire,series
Him neurotically fumbling and dropping the cigarette is the real him. Everything else is just an act.
Draper even opens a bottle like a boss.
Don should have put Betty on a plane and flown her to California to meet Anna.
Atleast he confessed my boyfriend didn’t
"Because I must be crazy not to want this," her reply to his suggestion of psychological help for her, after he'd already been undermining her with her psychiatrist in season one.
I agree about the quality of this scene, the importance of it, but it goes too to my disappointment in the finale that left the Don/Dick lie intact. We were abandoned to wonder if he got through the rest of his life undiscovered. As Don himself told Pete when that government contract would have brought catastrophic background checks, "it's desertion." It's legally actionable indefinitely, and all the more so because Don makes it an ongoing crime every time he signs any government form: a driver's license, a wedding license, a voting registration, taxes. By the end of the series also, too many people know all or some of truth to believe the lid stays on the lie: Pete, Betty, Stephanie, Megan, and Faye.
_And_ if we're to believe "Don Draper" came up with the landmark 'teach the world to sing' Coke jingle, that would surely have fostered some broad professional jealousy that might, in turn, have fostered some dirt-digging.
There hasn't been a better television series yet, and we'll wait a long time for something comparable, but this one wasn't fully perfect either.
I love Mad Men but The Wire is better
Andrew Tucker you wouldnt have mad men or the wire without th sucess of the sopranos
+Dave dvlaries 1. Sopranos 2. Mad Men 3. The rest, not even close
Did you watch Breaking Bad ?
Hamm should make no apologies for saving his own life in Korea!
I would have done the same.
He was actually responsible for that guy's death. And when he switched identities with him he cheated the real Don Draper's widow out of her insurance benefits and he wasn't going to rectify the situation if she hadn't caught him. What Dick/Don did was actually pretty lousy.
I don’t blame Dick Whitman for making a foolhardy decision to take Donald Draper’s name to get out of Korea. It was shortsighted but it worked, and it’s the sort of desperate, poorly thought out action someone in their late teens/early twenties might do.
But I do blame him for everything afterwards. Carrying on as Don Draper, entwining Betty in his lie, subjecting her to the emotional abuse of his gaslighting and philandering.
He has A LOT to answer for!
@@killerjoe5628Accidental death. Bit of a difference
People who cheat are really just fucked up in the head. I cant believe they can legit die peacefully as long as no body finds out. but them getting caught cheating is absolutely crippling for them. Not because they give a fuck about their partners feelings, but because their perfect image is being tainted and they are forced to reveal their true self, which is as ugly as you can be.
Don dropping his cigarette :(
let's not forget that while this is all going on , don has his kid's school teacher mistress waiting for him in his car.
He likely was hoping that she would take Bert Cooper's view that " a man is whatever room, that he's in". After all he was only Dick Whitman in one box, in a drawer, in his study.
I wish I was rich like don Draper
Continuity: between the first and second drink the bottle got its cap back on somehow.
Maybe they cut some scene or something because when they sit at the table she has her arms crossed, uncrosses them, the camera moves away and when it's back, she has her arms crossed again. But it is still a great scene.
Again it wasn’t a big deal just be truthful in a relationship and you won’t have as many problems.
Don is all some ❤️
for better for worse but when its for worse, theres a drama - there you have it
She is the only women who could talk don draper down
Ironically self dichotomizing himself made him loved is exactly the thing that destroyed his marriage. Tough out here.
This tears me to pieces! I wanna fix them so badly but I can't!
Whoa..its JUST a tv show
Watching mad men literally made me drink thrice as much as usual. It seems like all they do is drink on this show
Lmao, take it easy, please
The real Don would have got the hell up and left
Don't we all have one of those shoeboxes?
Nope I’m a open book to my husband and everyone product of rape my mom was illegal in the US so she had to have me under a fake name.
But also times have changed sooo much I’m sure in our day if he told the truth said he was abused as a child and then his army buddy died no one would have blamed him and praised his success and overcoming everything but back then it was a different ball game unfortunately. Even 32 years back my aunt raised me as her because she didn’t want my mom to carry the shame of having a baby out of welock
Wtf would you keep those pics
Bitches be stalkin' your emails....
Crazy the cheating never caught up to him but the false identity did.
Don't you see everybody??? He is living as if there is no tomorrow...doesn't It make sense?? Enjoy life.
I wonder if Bernie Madoff had some kind of conversation like this with his wife after he was caught.....probably not.
Pretty certain she always knew. Women aren’t actually dumb. They play it when it suits them.
Rode the the hard road