I LOVE the subtlety of Don calling himself Tilden Katz- that’s the name of the man who married the department store owner’s daughter from season 1. Don is still thinking of her
They actually helped Freddy a lot because he DID get sober and DID come pack with Ponds Cold Cream and ended up being a very valued asset to the company. He never rubbed anyone's nose in his sobriety and was polite and subtle about rejecting invitations to parties and whatnot (The Christmas party, Don's birthday party, etc). Freddy also helped a lot of other people who were in AA which is a core element to how it all works. Freddy later even intervened with Don when Don was becoming a sloppy drunk and got him to wise up and "do the work, Don".
@@no1guy825 Of course it’s a fictional scenario, it’s a tv show. But it’s pretty reflective of the attitude and norms of the time. It may be a fictional scenario, but this would absolutely not be unusual for business men in the early 1960’s.
@@chrisspedling75 Depends on what you mean by that. Of course it wasn’t a GIVEN that bosses were old have done this then, but it absolutely is something that wouldn’t have been outside the norms of the time.
@@chrisspedling75It definitely happened, just read biographies from that period in time. Men didn’t drink all day, but they did drink when they felt like it
Can’t imagine that humanity being shown to an employee today. His service to both company and country was recognized. That offer - 6 months off at full pay - was incredibly generous.
How valuable you are to the company. You bring in 5x your salary a year? And have been for the last 10? Oh yea, they're shelling out a pretty penny to keep you functional and with them. What you are given is entirely dependent on what you bring in.
2 years later, but Europe / Asia / Canada still have this, by law. The US is pretty much the only developed nation that allows employers to fire someone without compensation of any kind. Tech companies, law firms, investment banks etc will give an employee 3 months pay in exchange for signing an NDA because they have intellectual property knowledge and especially tech, where folks are hired / fired all the time.
I always found this scene quite touching. Roger has genuine affection for Freddy and it’s perhaps the only time in the entire show we see him struggle with a business decision. His pleading glance to Don reveals he can’t quite bring himself to spell it out in black and white to Freddy.
Wasn't it quite the opposite? Don was the one who was fighting for Freddy while Roger and Bert were both agreed that Freddy had to go. Not hating on Roger since I love that guy but I believe he said "that could've happened in front of a client"
@@JamesNalacarI'm no TV expert so not trying to over theorize, but here are my thoughts. He can't look the guy in the eye and tell him to his face that he's done. He can't deal the final blow. Or, maybe he can, but he's asking Don to do it because Don needs to fall in line, because your quotes from roger raise a good point. I think maybe Roger just hates to fight losing battles.
What stuck with me & still does. Roger sterling brings up WWII and killing. Freddy says "it was long time ago" meaning I don't want to talk about it and do not bring it up
Ever think about the possibility that he was an alcoholic because he killed people in the war and needed to cope in some way? The subtle writing in this show is so good.
there's a lot of PTSD going on, but with all those who served, it was a "normality". Plus they were allowed to have jobs, while too many of today's homeless are vets with PTSD and drug habits that won't let them into the shelters.
@@venicec3310 yea a lot of men back then smoked a lot, drunk a lot, and took a whole bunch of other stimulants. It’s glamorized today but really a lot of that came from them trying to suppress the ptsd that they most likely had from fighting in the worst war in history.
Freddy got sober, stayed sober, then later intervened for Don when his own drinking got way out of control and when Don was being a spoiled uptight jerk crybaby when the company gave him another chance to come back. Freddy was a true friend to Don because it takes a true friend to sit you down and tell you when you are fuhkin up.
Its different with Roger & Don, those two can actually hold their liquor and know when to stop. Freddie on the other hand was not on the same level of self control.
@r_x004 is that why Don walked into a business meeting drunk off his butt? And Roger puked up his guts after over-drinking and walking up some stairs? 😂
@@LonJoop notice when Don was drunk in that meeting he actually delivered and impressed the client though. He didn't pee himself. Roger vomiting was a setup by Don so your point is invalid.
One of many favourite scenes from the show. I love subtle references to military service thrown in here and there. Even Freddy saying "snafu" has its origins from the military. Who knows, was being in the signal core a cover for being in the OSS? Then later seeing Freddy being a mentor to Don while he was in the depths of alcoholic despair was such great writing.
Freddy not only became a positive influence and mentor to Don but also to Peggy. Don would've kept treating her like crap and being disrespectful because while he did love and care for her, he still saw her as his underling. Freddy flat out told her that if it was anyone else they were having the conversation about, Don would've told her to quit in a heartbeat. Peggy made the right choice.
They imply Freddy spent the majority of the war in the combat arms. There are many cases where at the end of the war, when combat operations were ceasing, many of the long haul vets were moved into "safe" jobs to finish up their time. In some cases this was just to not tempt fate, others perhaps had reached the end of their rope but could not/would not go home.
When I first got sober, 30+ years ago, I went to a well known inpatient treatment program after the hospitals "drying out" program... alcohol was NOT my drug of choice, but I always had an unhealthy relationship with it, long before I ever became addicted. This facility, whose name you would probably recognize, routinely gave what we called 'drinking passes' to those who were not in recovery for an alcohol addiction. There was a time not that long ago where the best medical minds believed that the person got addicted to a particular substance, and could easily navigate other controlled substances (or anything that impacted the central nervous system). It took a while to discover that addiction was a BRAIN disease, and addict's brains metabolize mood altering substances the same way...the brain sees a drug is a drug is a drug, with scant difference in how it will be presented in behaviors. A lot of people in the 1980's rid themselves of toxic cocaine addictions only to take up drinking and become alcoholics. It really isn't a stretch for Roger to make that beer comment because of how little we understood about treating addiction. Sounds ridiculous now, doesn't it? Addiction medicine is a rapidly expanding field of study. We learn more every day. The changes for effective treatment protocols are constantly in a state of flux, but it is a fascinating field and a growing industry.
@@hayatkhan-mt7gp Not really a reference to anything or anyone in particular. Just serves to highlight the thinking of the time, especially among alcoholics - Beer being considered a lesser drink than liquor and hence "ok" for an alcoholic to drink..
I'd like to see a prequel series during the early days of the agency w/a younger Roger Sterling helping to mentor a rookie Don Draper during his early years.
i know this is a year old comment about a show many years older than that. but to be fair there was some pleading and case stating after they told him. not to any surprise getting let go sucks. he did eventually accept it and take it on the chin. overall a great dude and a great character.
It’s actually an incredibly sad scene. Remember, Roger vomited in front of the clients. Freddy just pissed his pants in the office. They’re squeezing him out. And he’s not making it easy for them.
Elyas Toohey You’re right, but let’s not forget that roger threw-up because he was out of shape and his stomach was full of oysters and linguini. Freddy was genuinely incontinent.
Every manager has been in this position. You become a prisoner of knowledge and it's never fun. Like Freddie said, "I guess you get dealt the hand you get dealt..." Indeed.
Isn't this a much more human and real way to let someone go rather then having some HR person you've never met tell you your important but there's no place for you!
"Hold off on the menus, we're gonna take another lap first. Bring some bread." I'm looking forward to using that one the next time I'm out with old friends.
@@bretthatesgirlsify The show is no longer on the air. That's why I posted in the past tense. If I had posted "He was a great actor" you would have a point.
@@johnlafleur9251 No. The "he" in your sentence refers to Joel Murray because Freddy is separated from the pronoun by a comma. Also, when referring to fictional characters you use the present tense unless your comment is couched in the timeline of the story.
If you like Joel Murray you need to watch the 80s cult classic One Crazy Summer. I don't know what it is about Joel Murray's characters, but they are just the type of dudes you'd love to hang out and get plastered with. You know you'd have a good time
That was a very clever scene. When Roger is jokingly introducing them - himself as Dick Dollars and Freddy as Mike Moneybags - Don names himself as Tilden Katz. Why this is clever is in the subtlety. Tilden Katz is very briefly shown only once as the character who married Rachel. Both of them are Jewish. Hence Don's quip poked fun at Jews.
One good thing about Mad Men is how the writers were able to tie the military situation in America at the time to the characters. You had three generations from three wars. WW2, Korea and Vietnam. The likes of Freddy needed to cope from the scars so they took to drinking.
It always interests me the amount of protocol there was back then. Roger, being the superior of the group, dictates their dining experience, from when they get their menus, to the bread and another round. I'm sure that exists today, but certainly not to this degree.
the bread reference is also interesting--its what alcoholics use to soak up alcohol in their stomachs, so it doesn't hit the empty lining and get taken in too soon.
@@quinnh4313 as Texans used to say..dance with the one whut brung ya. Or as their grandparents said, you wanna dance, you gotta pay the fiddler. same idea in the modern age of instant gratification.
I love how they're not firing him. They're giving him 6 months to get his shit together. It's not the best result but it ain't the worst. In a weird way they're supporting him. Not slot of businesses will do that.
@@tomace4898 I remember in season 1 when Bert gave Don a 2 thousand dollar bonus and it was a big deal for him then in season 4 Don pays Pete Campbell 50 thousand dollar loan like it was nothing. Season 7 Don gave Megan a 1 million dollar check as an "apology" for wasting her time. Don and Roger were making bank as time went by.
You wish you could fit into that (exclusive) world where you're holding your own with the company, drinking and smoking, snapping your fingers at the waiters, knowing what to order and not having to care about the bill: nothing can faze you.
This episode begins with the death of Marilyn Monroe. It isn't shown in this clip, but as Don, Roger and Freddy are approaching the black jack table in the subsequent scene, there's a brief shot of a woman dressed as Marilyn with a man looking not unlike Joe DiMaggio. Lil' nod to her ghost I think.
It simply seems highly unlikely. It's a broad assumption there bro. I mean for all I know, you could very well be right. But Joe D is pivotal in your idea and I would think the writers would make it clear that it's an allusion to him, ya know?
So Freddy peed himself allegedly because he was drunk, but didn't it seem more like an absence seizure? The way he blanked out while he was peeing himself? Wouldn't you have to be way more incoherent to be that level of drunk?
Thanks to a botched operation (a pretty straightforward one but botched anyway), I was left with a bladder under pressure to which a little alcohol suddenly signals "RELEASE!" and I'm in the same boat as Freddy. Imagine trying to join in the fun at parties while trying not to down that all-important drink.
amazing scene. So multidimensional. There's a genuineness to their actions and reactions from start to finish. The ending scene felt somewhat more improvisational, though it is equally accomplished. "Is it Milwaukee?" "Yes it is." "Son of a b...", followed by laughter. Classic.
“I have a very good friend… …can’t remember the guy’s name..” This line is already funny but the reactions seem so genuine, all 3 of them looked like they broke character briefly but it worked so well they had to keep it in.
I LOVE the subtlety of Don calling himself Tilden Katz- that’s the name of the man who married the department store owner’s daughter from season 1. Don is still thinking of her
Rachel Menken
“To Monday Morning, it’ll be here faster than you think.” Freddie was a stand up guy 🥃
What did this line mean?
@@matthewbennett3352 Time moves faster than we think it does.
They actually helped Freddy a lot because he DID get sober and DID come pack with Ponds Cold Cream and ended up being a very valued asset to the company. He never rubbed anyone's nose in his sobriety and was polite and subtle about rejecting invitations to parties and whatnot (The Christmas party, Don's birthday party, etc).
Freddy also helped a lot of other people who were in AA which is a core element to how it all works. Freddy later even intervened with Don when Don was becoming a sloppy drunk and got him to wise up and "do the work, Don".
He was a come from behind kind of guy.
@@michaelsieger9133 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a different era. Firing a guy for having a drinking problem while getting drunk with him.
different era and a fictional scenario
@@no1guy825
Of course it’s a fictional scenario, it’s a tv show. But it’s pretty reflective of the attitude and norms of the time. It may be a fictional scenario, but this would absolutely not be unusual for business men in the early 1960’s.
@aaronstark5060 not necessarily
@@chrisspedling75
Depends on what you mean by that. Of course it wasn’t a GIVEN that bosses were old have done this then, but it absolutely is something that wouldn’t have been outside the norms of the time.
@@chrisspedling75It definitely happened, just read biographies from that period in time. Men didn’t drink all day, but they did drink when they felt like it
Can’t imagine that humanity being shown to an employee today. His service to both company and country was recognized. That offer - 6 months off at full pay - was incredibly generous.
It does get shown to imp high level corporate employees. High level being the operative part
How valuable you are to the company. You bring in 5x your salary a year? And have been for the last 10? Oh yea, they're shelling out a pretty penny to keep you functional and with them.
What you are given is entirely dependent on what you bring in.
2 years later, but Europe / Asia / Canada still have this, by law. The US is pretty much the only developed nation that allows employers to fire someone without compensation of any kind. Tech companies, law firms, investment banks etc will give an employee 3 months pay in exchange for signing an NDA because they have intellectual property knowledge and especially tech, where folks are hired / fired all the time.
I always found this scene quite touching. Roger has genuine affection for Freddy and it’s perhaps the only time in the entire show we see him struggle with a business decision. His pleading glance to Don reveals he can’t quite bring himself to spell it out in black and white to Freddy.
"He only drinks beer now"...what an age
Yes but there's a line....and Freddy wet it. LOL.
Wasn't it quite the opposite? Don was the one who was fighting for Freddy while Roger and Bert were both agreed that Freddy had to go. Not hating on Roger since I love that guy but I believe he said "that could've happened in front of a client"
@@bbranco01 Yeah, back before AA conned drinkers into a cultish devotion to abstinence.
@@JamesNalacarI'm no TV expert so not trying to over theorize, but here are my thoughts. He can't look the guy in the eye and tell him to his face that he's done. He can't deal the final blow. Or, maybe he can, but he's asking Don to do it because Don needs to fall in line, because your quotes from roger raise a good point. I think maybe Roger just hates to fight losing battles.
Freddy drying up was such a great arc in the show.
What stuck with me & still does. Roger sterling brings up WWII and killing. Freddy says "it was long time ago" meaning I don't want to talk about it and do not bring it up
Also a great setup for Don's Hersey moment and redemption.
@@dogkungfu8510 yes, most creatives at some point lose it during a business meeting. Or they join the Hare Krishna.
"Do the work, Don"
@@jlshel42 a great nod to the switching of positions
This was way nicer than when I pissed myself working at McDonalds.
Are you the only thing you pissed on at McDonald's?
I shat myself working at Walmart and security tried to stab me twice.
@@bumbo9506 lmfao i call bullshit, as if walmart security do things in general
@@cheesecakesization he probably meant the 90 year old greeter with dementia.
@@cheesecakesization they do nothing unless you shit yourself, if you do and they notice they’re gon stab ya
Ever think about the possibility that he was an alcoholic because he killed people in the war and needed to cope in some way? The subtle writing in this show is so good.
I always thought that, too
Most men of that era were alcoholics because of the wars
there's a lot of PTSD going on, but with all those who served, it was a "normality". Plus they were allowed to have jobs, while too many of today's homeless are vets with PTSD and drug habits that won't let them into the shelters.
That’s how I took it.
@@venicec3310 yea a lot of men back then smoked a lot, drunk a lot, and took a whole bunch of other stimulants. It’s glamorized today but really a lot of that came from them trying to suppress the ptsd that they most likely had from fighting in the worst war in history.
They sure did love Freddy. He was definitely one of the boys.
Roger: Is it Milwaukee?
Bouncer: Yes it is
Roger: Son of a Bitch!
What does that mean?
That's the "code word" to get in, and he remembered it after bribing the dude lol
He starts out with the password "swordfish" from the Marc Brothers
One of those perfect Mad Men moments.
@@veronicababy7959Marx
For anyone else wondering: $20 in 1962 would be the same as $161 and change in 2017.
1822138 The economy was splendid at the time
@@velvetsky5117 before Reagan sold you to the Chinese.
subcomandante marcos lmao if you’re using that logic, parroting about precious “metals” and “liquid” currency doesn’t make you any better lol
CHUBS is gonna eat tonight
200 in 2020
"Hold off on the menus, we're gonna take another lap first."
I've used that a few times myself.
Haha same here!
And bring some bread.
Roger’s lines and sense of humor are definitely worth mimicking
Boss line
Another great Roger drinking line: “and don’t let me see the bottom of this glass!”
Freddy got sober, stayed sober, then later intervened for Don when his own drinking got way out of control and when Don was being a spoiled uptight jerk crybaby when the company gave him another chance to come back. Freddy was a true friend to Don because it takes a true friend to sit you down and tell you when you are fuhkin up.
Freddie Rumsen was one of the nicest people in the whole series
He's the one who discovered Peggy's talent
He's the one who discovered Peggy's talent
@@BatmanHQYT and told Don to straighten his act
I didn't know it at the time, but Bill Murray's his brother.
“He threw all her stuff out the window...including her keys”
“That was good for morale”
😂
These 3 going out on the town should be its own movie.
Or Roger Sterling Sr. as a Mad Men prequel show... "Your father drank more than the two of you put together" YO WTF
yes it should. And liverpool is shit
"Is it 'Milwaukee'?"
"Yes, it is."
"Son of a b*tch!"
I laugh too hard at that every single time.
I’ve convinced myself that was an improvised line by Slattery, that Hamm and Murray’s reactions were from genuine surprise, and they left it in.
my personal favorite scene of the whole show for what it’s worth
Possibly funniest scene in the show
"There's a line Freddy, and you wet it!" LOL Roger
Joel Murray is an amazing actor who doesn’t get enough recognition for what he does. He’s incredible.
"
Cmon, do we look like cops?" As they're looking like cops.
Looking like the Untouchables taking down speakeasies no less
It's like back round them times and further back most of the men either looked like cops or gangsters lol
Two alcoholics tell another alcoholic that he’s an alcoholic, acting like they aren’t also alcoholics.
Its different with Roger & Don, those two can actually hold their liquor and know when to stop. Freddie on the other hand was not on the same level of self control.
@r_x004 is that why Don walked into a business meeting drunk off his butt? And Roger puked up his guts after over-drinking and walking up some stairs? 😂
@@LonJoop notice when Don was drunk in that meeting he actually delivered and impressed the client though. He didn't pee himself. Roger vomiting was a setup by Don so your point is invalid.
@r_x004 right, it's invalid that Roger and Don love to pretend that their drinking isn't that bad. You are nuts 😂
One of many favourite scenes from the show. I love subtle references to military service thrown in here and there. Even Freddy saying "snafu" has its origins from the military. Who knows, was being in the signal core a cover for being in the OSS? Then later seeing Freddy being a mentor to Don while he was in the depths of alcoholic despair was such great writing.
That moment was inspiring. "Strap on your boots..." and do the work, Freddy said. That was the jolt Don needed. I felt it too.
Freddy not only became a positive influence and mentor to Don but also to Peggy. Don would've kept treating her like crap and being disrespectful because while he did love and care for her, he still saw her as his underling. Freddy flat out told her that if it was anyone else they were having the conversation about, Don would've told her to quit in a heartbeat. Peggy made the right choice.
They imply Freddy spent the majority of the war in the combat arms. There are many cases where at the end of the war, when combat operations were ceasing, many of the long haul vets were moved into "safe" jobs to finish up their time. In some cases this was just to not tempt fate, others perhaps had reached the end of their rope but could not/would not go home.
"My podiatrist went to Hazelden. Came back a new man, with great stories. Only drinks beer now."
When I first got sober, 30+ years ago, I went to a well known inpatient treatment program after the hospitals "drying out" program... alcohol was NOT my drug of choice, but I always had an unhealthy relationship with it, long before I ever became addicted.
This facility, whose name you would probably recognize, routinely gave what we called 'drinking passes' to those who were not in recovery for an alcohol addiction. There was a time not that long ago where the best medical minds believed that the person got addicted to a particular substance, and could easily navigate other controlled substances (or anything that impacted the central nervous system). It took a while to discover that addiction was a BRAIN disease, and addict's brains metabolize mood altering substances the same way...the brain sees a drug is a drug is a drug, with scant difference in how it will be presented in behaviors.
A lot of people in the 1980's rid themselves of toxic cocaine addictions only to take up drinking and become alcoholics.
It really isn't a stretch for Roger to make that beer comment because of how little we understood about treating addiction.
Sounds ridiculous now, doesn't it? Addiction medicine is a rapidly expanding field of study. We learn more every day. The changes for effective treatment protocols are constantly in a state of flux, but it is a fascinating field and a growing industry.
Can somebody help me understand the refrence here?
@@hayatkhan-mt7gp Not really a reference to anything or anyone in particular. Just serves to highlight the thinking of the time, especially among alcoholics - Beer being considered a lesser drink than liquor and hence "ok" for an alcoholic to drink..
@@mab1701 what about hazeldon? Is that a refrence
@@hayatkhan-mt7gp
Hazelden is the umbrella name of several well known inpatient rehabilitation facilities.
Joel Murray was the heart and soul of this show
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I love how Don is the one who understood Freddy's alcoholism, because Don's father was one too and died because of it.
and Don was one too
Sounds like roger dad was a alcoholic also.
Freddie was a big drinker like almost everyone. I think he had a seizure when he urinated on himself. Look at his face. He is clearly disassociated.
Freddy was a true and great friend to both Don and to Peggy.
Don's father died because he got kicked in the head by a horse. The fact that he was drunk when it happened is coincidental.
TIldon Katz is the name of Rachel Menkin's husband FYI
Thank you, that's what I came here to find out. Even not knowing who t was when Don said it, it still struck me as very funny.
What minute?
@@jrtully True plus he's still got Rachel on his mind
"Clients love me! I keep up with em, we have laughs - I'm so funny they piss their pants when I'm around! Hell, I piss my pants when I'm around!"
🤣🤣🤣
Writing is just top notch in this show. "He only drinks beer now"
I'd like to see a prequel series during the early days of the agency w/a younger Roger Sterling helping to mentor a rookie Don Draper during his early years.
actorben I think you could almost do it pre Don. Have a younger Roger, younger Freddy, Roger’s Dad and a younger Bert Cooper as well
Don hired himself by tricking rodger. He never needed a mentor
Love to meet Roger Stirling senior.
@@kb4903 When I think of Roger Sterling Sr I think of Howard Stark and I just get confused
Gonna be challenging finding an actor with John Slattery persona
One of the the best episodes in the series. Reflections on the past, good times in the present, fear of the future. Winners, losers, and the dead.
"To monday morning. It'll be here faster than you think".
Aww Don looks so happy at 3:34
LOL that got me. He’s just like 😀😀 haha
i rewatched that part to see his face as he gives the name of Rachel Menken's new husband. Subtle little details of this show, just amazing
“And by people, I mean Germans”
“There’s a line… and you wet it” Roger is savage
what a man, gets told its over, but then accepts his fate and moves on ..... good on him
Today he would have made a tik tok video and said it was racism
i know this is a year old comment about a show many years older than that. but to be fair there was some pleading and case stating after they told him. not to any surprise getting let go sucks. he did eventually accept it and take it on the chin. overall a great dude and a great character.
@@MrHeart12 It doesn't matter how old the comment you're replying to is, this isn't a live conversation... any contribution is fine
hold off on the menus, we’re gonna take another lap first...roger really did have the best lines
And Freddy wet all of them.
"I have a very good friend------can't remember the guy's name."
Roger's "Son of a bitch!" after he remembers it in the elevator is one of my favorite Slattery line readings.
The nod to Death of a Salesman in this was very touching.
This is one of my favorite scenes from the show. So much subtle fun
It’s actually an incredibly sad scene.
Remember, Roger vomited in front of the clients.
Freddy just pissed his pants in the office.
They’re squeezing him out.
And he’s not making it easy for them.
Elyas Toohey You’re right, but let’s not forget that roger threw-up because he was out of shape and his stomach was full of oysters and linguini. Freddy was genuinely incontinent.
Every manager has been in this position. You become a prisoner of knowledge and it's never fun.
Like Freddie said, "I guess you get dealt the hand you get dealt..."
Indeed.
The subtext of this whole plot thread is so well executed! Man TV had all the good writing 10-15 years ago.
You knew they had big plans when he ordered extra bread
Isn't this a much more human and real way to let someone go rather then having some HR person you've never met tell you your important but there's no place for you!
I just found out, the guy playing fred is Bill Murray’s brother
NO WAY
Confirmed. Also played in One Crazy Summer...among many roles.
Also God Bless America.. i think it was called.. pretty great
"Hold off on the menus, we're gonna take another lap first. Bring some bread." I'm looking forward to using that one the next time I'm out with old friends.
Many people don't know that Joel Murray, who played Freddy, is Bill Murray's brother. He was a great character.
He’s still alive
@@bretthatesgirlsify The show is no longer on the air.
That's why I posted in the past tense.
If I had posted "He was a great actor" you would have a point.
@@johnlafleur9251 oh snap!
And Brian Doyle Murray's brother as well.
@@johnlafleur9251 No. The "he" in your sentence refers to Joel Murray because Freddy is separated from the pronoun by a comma. Also, when referring to fictional characters you use the present tense unless your comment is couched in the timeline of the story.
"sorry for the audio" Don't worry about it man all mad men clips seem to have very quiet audio........
proof he's still thinking about Rachel Menken
aakksshhaayy shit man, I'm still thinking about Rachel Menkin
Also, earlier in the episode, don’s secretary goes out to get him some shirts and the bag says Menken’s
"And by people, I mean Germans." wow they always gave Sterling the greatest jabs.
Came back with great stories only drinks beers now. Hahahaha
Freddy turned out to be Don’s voice of reason later in the series when Don was at his lowest
One never knows where loyalty is born
Do the work, Don.
If you like Joel Murray you need to watch the 80s cult classic One Crazy Summer. I don't know what it is about Joel Murray's characters, but they are just the type of dudes you'd love to hang out and get plastered with. You know you'd have a good time
Damn, I must be getting old, I remember those elevators with the old accordion metal doors
In my country those are very common ahhaa
We still have them in India. But those are old buildings and flats are expensive.. in USD it can be upto 2 million
It’s a freight elevator. Very common in warehouses
@@silver_desperado My 1877 City Hall had those metal-gated lifts/elevators up to the early '80s: they were hydraulically-operated.
just take the 6 months
paid leave freddy...its
a gift..to heal yourself
brah,,6 months to rethink
and chill....ok?!!
That was a very clever scene. When Roger is jokingly introducing them - himself as Dick Dollars and Freddy as Mike Moneybags - Don names himself as Tilden Katz. Why this is clever is in the subtlety. Tilden Katz is very briefly shown only once as the character who married Rachel. Both of them are Jewish. Hence Don's quip poked fun at Jews.
Yeah, Don is great. Drunken, selfish fuck.
So if he named white person's name, taht would mean he poked fun at white people? Oh, yeah, double standards...
Rachel married Ross
The only thing that makes sense from this comment is that you're an anti-semitic bitch who can't fuck worth a damn. have a nice day.
Bolizen yes, that’s all true... you’re one sharp tack
This was a great scene, you could see they had a blast.
I agree. I love the rest of it too -- when he punches Jimmy Barrett and then the scene by
The taxi. Greatness.
One good thing about Mad Men is how the writers were able to tie the military situation in America at the time to the characters.
You had three generations from three wars. WW2, Korea and Vietnam. The likes of Freddy needed to cope from the scars so they took to drinking.
Don was in Korea, Roger and Freddy were in ww2. Vietnam was barely starting
Bertram Cooper was WW1
It always interests me the amount of protocol there was back then. Roger, being the superior of the group, dictates their dining experience, from when they get their menus, to the bread and another round. I'm sure that exists today, but certainly not to this degree.
the bread reference is also interesting--its what alcoholics use to soak up alcohol in their stomachs, so it doesn't hit the empty lining and get taken in too soon.
Absolutely exists to this degree
He’s who’s paying, decides how the night goes. And for the most part Roger pays
@@quinnh4313 as Texans used to say..dance with the one whut brung ya. Or as their grandparents said, you wanna dance, you gotta pay the fiddler. same idea in the modern age of instant gratification.
I know in Korea its certainly much that way
Liked Freddy more than Peggy to be honest
Peggy sucks
she was hateful in later seasons, also ungrateful (extremely)
who doesnt?
Well he's likable and she's mean.
Roger’s ‘Sonuvabitch’ at the end kills me every time.
Freddy was such a good hearted character. Really pissed me off that pete ratted him out like that.
Why? Pete was right. He peed on the floor. Dude needed help and he got it.
Love how he ask Freddy for money, before correcting himself and asking Don. It was Freddy’s night and it’d be wrong to as the guy for cash.
so many layers to this clip. Freddy's story about his 'old man pointing at a map" and 'Tilden Katz'. GREAT show.
"Hold off on the menus, we're going to take another lap first."
Great writing and acting. As badly as Freddy humiliated himself he carries himself with more dignity than many men do today and it’s fully believable.
I love how they're not firing him. They're giving him 6 months to get his shit together. It's not the best result but it ain't the worst. In a weird way they're supporting him. Not slot of businesses will do that.
They are firing him. Calling it a leave of absence is just their nice way of pretending he isn't being fired.
Love how Roger turns to Don and he sells it: It’s the best thing.
Honestly a precious moment
Roger makes a big deal about tipping this bouncer $20, then in the final season he casually tips a waitress $100
I rather given 100 bucks to a pretty waitress than a fat bouncer.
Roger also gets progressively and obscenely richer throughout the course of the show.
@@tomace4898 I remember in season 1 when Bert gave Don a 2 thousand dollar bonus and it was a big deal for him then in season 4 Don pays Pete Campbell 50 thousand dollar loan like it was nothing. Season 7 Don gave Megan a 1 million dollar check as an "apology" for wasting her time. Don and Roger were making bank as time went by.
I hear ya, but that was before inflation.
Maybe I'm gonna watch again this superb show.
Another lap you know...
"It's your life. You don't know how long it's going to be but you know it's got a bad ending."
Enjoy the rest of your... Life!
@@Alextrovert ...cereal!
A very poignant line
No one has ever come back from exile. Not even Napoleon.
he came back the first time
The only reason Roger asked the guys for $5 is that he probably only has larger bills.
one of the best scenes in the show
"Only drinks beer now."
The 60s, a special time.
Freddy is the most incredible character, because I cant imagine that he’s an actor
Great scene.
4:24 When you find out who won the 2019 NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals.
When you find out who won the 2021 NBA Championship
Roger cared for and respected freddy. In great part because of his war bona fides
i love all scenes where the characters are just drinking and smoking. when you drink and smoke with them its pretty pleasent
You wish you could fit into that (exclusive) world where you're holding your own with the company, drinking and smoking, snapping your fingers at the waiters, knowing what to order and not having to care about the bill: nothing can faze you.
man the first three seasons where just something else, I love the entire series but honestly the first 3 are the core of mad men.
4:24 when you remember the team that blew a 2-0 lead in the 2019 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.
Freddy had a lot of heart.
This episode begins with the death of Marilyn Monroe. It isn't shown in this clip, but as Don, Roger and Freddy are approaching the black jack table in the subsequent scene, there's a brief shot of a woman dressed as Marilyn with a man looking not unlike Joe DiMaggio. Lil' nod to her ghost I think.
onlythequestion no
Mmm... yes.
onlythequestion idk bro, seems like a far fetched idea. Wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but the Joe D correlation seems weak.
Why don't you think it would be Joe D with her?
It simply seems highly unlikely. It's a broad assumption there bro. I mean for all I know, you could very well be right. But Joe D is pivotal in your idea and I would think the writers would make it clear that it's an allusion to him, ya know?
"Hold up on the menus, we're going to take another lap first. Ah, bring some bread."
In the Sopranos or Mad Men when someone needs to go to rehab the end up in Northeast Pennsylvania
They’re are a lot of rehab centers in Penn. All the heroin that’s in the Appalachians
Dick Whitman never had the makings of a varsity Draper.
Hold off on the menus we are going to take another lap first...and bring some bread.
@3:52 I barely realized that the name Don gave is the name of Miss Menkens new husband when she introduced him while he was with Bobby Barrett
Roger remembering the password Milwaukee after paying the doorman was always funny to me.
Great Video! Love it!
Tilden Katz lol
"Bring some bread" because if they don't get some food, they will literally die
So Freddy peed himself allegedly because he was drunk, but didn't it seem more like an absence seizure? The way he blanked out while he was peeing himself? Wouldn't you have to be way more incoherent to be that level of drunk?
It’s television mate...stop over thinking it.
And apart from being television, people in the 60s didn’t think much about stuff like that.
This was on top of many years of looking the other way from Freddy's drinking.
Thanks to a botched operation (a pretty straightforward one but botched anyway), I was left with a bladder under pressure to which a little alcohol suddenly signals "RELEASE!" and I'm in the same boat as Freddy. Imagine trying to join in the fun at parties while trying not to down that all-important drink.
You don't know many drunks.
Don would be on the other side of this conversation in a few years.
amazing scene. So multidimensional. There's a genuineness to their actions and reactions from start to finish. The ending scene felt somewhat more improvisational, though it is equally accomplished. "Is it Milwaukee?" "Yes it is." "Son of a b...", followed by laughter. Classic.
Wasn't Tilden Katz, Rachel's husband?
“I have a very good friend…
…can’t remember the guy’s name..”
This line is already funny but the reactions seem so genuine, all 3 of them looked like they broke character briefly but it worked so well they had to keep it in.
Freddy the Nazi killer! Hahaha
1:31 iconic frame