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Todd as always bought all the tools he tests, so there is no favoritism or influence in the testing, that's why people have so much respect and trust for Project Farm, very transparent.
Very impressive!
@@leandrocosta3709
I respect it, did he get his earlier than regular customers though? I think its important to remember that in the creator space thats still a bias thing just like (probably even more than) getting one for free is, he seemed very objective with his review though, I would still trust it, just saying that that could also play into the favoritism thing
@@___echo___ I don't think he did. As far as I'm aware from what he said in his video, he bought it retail.
We're gonna test that
Linus, it's what you do with it that really matters. Don't be jealous that some other tool has a thicker shaft if the screw works and the nut is happy.
It's all about the nut!! XD
The innuendo behind this is genius
jeez
Nice
AYO
I think it's well worth mentioning that the review from Jayz2Cents was quite positive simply from the point of view of a guy who builds PC's rather than a tooling expert. In my mind that is quite representitive of the audience that this product is aimed at. It was ironic that he did manage to damage a LTT product with a drop test but then again the differences between Jay height and Linus height is significant.
Yeah that impressed me more than any professional reviewer would
@@mahoslash it is linus proof and you didn't get the joke about linus being short
@@definiteIynotkenji Linus is short? 🤔
@@OrloxPhoenix Yes, a manlet
@@threadripper979 manlet indeed
Todd is a gem of TH-cam. His tests are detailed, he buys everything himself to show he's dedicated to being unbiased and he's VERY active in the TH-cam comments, which I love!
Yeah, I have had him reply to my comments on multiple occasions, and I’m a nobody with not-important comments. Yet he still took the time to reply. Pretty crazy
@@alexander0the0gray same here, he's awesome!
I always check his channel first before I buy a lot of non-computer/tech related stuff. Like when I wanted to replace my car battery jump starter, his review was extremely informative and the jump starter I got has been fantastic.
I've commented on a handful of videos of his, even really old one and I think he's responded to/liked every single one of my comments. He is an absolute gem.
I must be the only one without a single clue of who this "Todd" is.
Weeell... The results are a bit "syntethic" and strongly (US)biased. Must be watched with scepticism like everything on TH-cam that unfortunately have become a 100% grifter platform.
Todd also pointed out that if you include the dedicated magnet bit on the LTT screwdriver it completely blew away the competition. So if you're trying to pick up a part that fell and switch bits it'll outperform everyone.
I also think the magnet that holds the screws is strong. Not the strongest in his test, but for a hand driver it is probably functionally no different.
The magnet isn't a premium feature. The megapro model the Todd should have tested against the LTT driver has a magnetic shaft and costs $15 less MSRP (model# 211R1C36RD)
@@chorak87 It also has massively looser tolerances and lower quality materials and construction. You can keep spamming this all you want but all you're doing is broadcasting your own ignorance here. It's like trying to complain that floating point errors don't matter for your pocket calculator therefore there's no need for banks, NASA, and medical equipment to have better precision than that.
@@superslash7254 How do you know what the tolerances are? I 100% know Linus isn't publicly releasing those and I doubt megapro does either.
@@Phaceial Linus mentions the tolerances on the LTT main channel.
17:47 Lukes reaction on the "...but they also have a thicker shaft" line 😆
Yeah he have
2nd place overall from a Project Farm review is amazing, especially considering this is your first entry into the market. You're competing against companies that have poured decades of time and millions of dollars into R&D. To accomplish such a high ranking with your (relatively) low R&D cost, fair product value, and scale of manufacturing is phenomenal. Great job to all the wonderful people that worked so hard to make that product a reality.
1st/2nd depending on the table you use to judge them. Remove the one metric and LTT is on top, Or, Include the magnetic bit, that is stronger than any of the others and again, LTT is on top. As Todd mentions it depends on your specific use case.
Except when you know they knew his order, and were able to send a prime sample to him.
@@RogueCylonHow would they send a “prime sample”? In what way could they easily improve the screwdriver specifically for him?
As a woodworker, I have been watching project farm for a long while. I understand why you're bummed it wasn't perfect, but from the perspective of someone outside of your industry I thought it was a pretty glowing review of your product. I may actually consider getting one based on his review.
And even then, there is always someone who builds something better. No one always takes 1st place. But glad to see Linus cares about the quality of his products. That will drive him to even go beyond what he originally made.
Honestly, on a lot of Todd's videos, I don't personally go with the one that takes first place because typically it's a premium or high-end professional grade tool. I'm not looking to spend that much on something like the PB Swiss screwdriver that took first place. That's a $150 screwdriver. I am not paying $150 for a ratcheting screwdriver, but I'll pay $70.
@@a-human-interface4991 feel like that’s the whole point of project farm. He gives a quick yet incredibly detailed summary of the entire market, and it’s up to you to figure out what’s valuable to you.
Sure the premium product is the best like 1/3rd of the time, but I don’t use tools in a professional setting so I would never consider buying the best tool if it costs 3x a slightly worse tool
In europe you can buy a version of the pb swiss with bitstorage and the same ratcheting mechanism. And here it costs 80 CHF. The ltt screwdriver costs at least 86 Dollars because of shipping. So for the price difference isn't a factor for us. Just the planed application for the driver and the timeframe in that you want to get your product. For more rugget but still precise use the pb swiss is better suited and for more delicate work the ltt driver is better suited.
(Edit: I just got to 20:35 where the topic it the price of both drivers in europe. But I think it is good to know that there is a pb swiss driver with bitstorage.)
I thought it seemed really overpriced until watching the review videos and seeing how it stacks up against the competition. It's still out of my budget at the moment, but if I had $70 to drop on a screwdriver I would get one. The strong magnet and low back drag are what really do it for me, my cheap screwdriver completely fails in those categories and It's frustrating enough that I barely use it
Yup yup yup. 100% agreed
Take reviews in TH-cam with a grain of salt. There’s more to buying a tool than what they tested it for. If it breaks how long will the warranty return take. Why wasn’t that taken in to account. Plus Linus just uses it to put screws in a computer. How he does it I can do the same with a regular non mechanical screwdriver and even a version that takes bits. If his piece would of been lower then most wouldn’t have an issue with it.
It is overpriced, simple as that. Either you can live with that and the uncertain warranty situation, or you should go with other premium products that cost less, but are just as good if not better.
Megapro for example has a strong magnet version available, so that point is moot.
I have the Milwaukee one. It works great. They also sell a fun sized version thats smaller
Get the megapro screwdriver it's 45 dollars and way better
I had low expectations for the LTT screwdriver prior to it's release. As a carpenter and former construction worker, it's often painful to watch tech oriented TH-camrs attempt to build things as they have little knowledge of tools and construction materials as well as a tendency to misuse or use improper equipment. I am very impressed with how your screwdriver performed and I understand that it's for computer assembly, not a construction environment. It may not be a tool suited for my needs, but good work, I'm sure you exceeded many people's expectations and not just my own.
Yeah it's quite comical to watch computer nerds try to figure out how to use tools lol.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 and it's comical watching construction people not know their way around a computer.
@@averagemike2171 It might be but I have never seen that.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 Oh I definitely have, and that is why we need tools for specific professions
Im an elecgician and im good at both lol
I admit that I was skeptical because of the seemingly high cost compared to . But, after watching Project Farm's review I admit I feel that there is genuine quality to make it a REASONABLE value. I will admit that I still feel the MegaPro is a better overall value. But, if you want the best bang for a top quality driver... LTT's is absolutely it. Also, I will mention that PF compared the wrong MegaPro in my opinion. The car model has magnetic tips and is a better driver for like 6 bucks more.
Not even close. It's $70 US dollars. The Megapro what the LTT one is based off is less than half that. And Gearwrench as well with very similar reesults.
As a screwdriver on it's own merits, it is far too expensive, and so are some of the others that Project Farm tested.
Maybe its reasonable if you consider it what it is, and that is LTT merch, where the product is half of what you're paying for the other half being supporting a creator you like. And that's fair enough, but as a screwdriver itself, its definitely not reasonable value.
$70+ is not resonable. The price to preformance was not in the favor of the LTT screwdriver.
@@PBMS123 exactly my thoughts. I do support channels I like, but I think the price point is beyond “supporting”. This is coming from someone who bought one of Hand Tool Rescue’s handmade screwdrivers which will outlast my lifetime.
@@PBMS123 I can try to justify the cost as just merch, but that takes away from the real reason for the cost. The effort reflects the cost of the driver, it's different from a brand trying to squeeze as much profit from the customer. Even though it's expensive it's a fair price.
@@PBMS123 there's deminishing returns, LTT made a 3090, megapro is a 3070 (or whatever).
They can't compete with the kind of volume of existing brands so they went more premium, and that's fine
Project farm filled a large gap in tool reviews and absolutely nails every video. There are some imperfect testing methodologies but its about relative performance between tools and is invaluable to people looking for their next addition to their toolbox.
Was so happy to see LTT screwdriver get reviewed. Really puts your presentation video of the product into context.
The EU region yeah should be a consideration. Paid a ton of tax / shipping for the LTT mat - worth it but if you had a EU / UK distributor it would have cost me less overall and got here much quicker :)
And when PB Swiss cost 70€ in Europe and LTT is closer to 100€ choice is pretty obvious
Yeah the Swiss is literally 55€ for me exc shipping and ltt would be 80+€ exc shipping
Bigest reson why i do not buy LTT stuff, in the end with shippin/taxbcustom fees it ends up being to way to much :/
They realy need a EU dist.
Cost is relative. Having a distribution center in the EU might mean it would cost more than having it shipped over. A more effective way of having a inexpensive screwdriver is to have a manufacturer of the tool out in the EU. Other problem with that is the logistics of running another production facility overseas. Its a damned if you do damned if you dont scenario.
Also to point out that LTT is a tech company not a tool company. Although the sell a product that is intended to last for a long time, it is not their bread and butter.
I just orderd one, it costs me 103€ with shipping to eu lol
10:02 Valve's approach to this is just not to talk about stuff until it's done (and also to not make the games people have unrealistic expectations for)
In Europe the PB Swiss is cheaper for me due to taxes and delivery costs.
I really like the handle holding the bits, much less clutter. The main thing I enjoy from the PB Swiss however, is that it's longer. Longer screwdriver means my giant mitts don't have to get near the cooler when screwing in the motherboard.
I thought there was a version of pb swiss with bit storage? I haven't confirmed that, but I read that more than once.
@@bipbop3121 Yep, there is even a stubby ratchet according to the manufacturer website.
The comparison models used in the PF video weren't even close to being comparable. He didn't even use to $50 megapro automotive model with a magnetic shaft and bit storage.
Fixed shaft is commonly used for adjusting screw pots. That's a common electronics task, but not a common PC building task. There's a LOT of overlap in those two user groups, though.
The bit retention honestly looks perfect, I've had screwdrivers where the bit retention was so strong I needed vice grips to remove the bits.
Totally agree! It's one of the main reasons I almost never use short bits. Another is the bit holders that barely hold the bit.
That's exactly what I was thinking while watching Todd's video. I absolutely hate when I can't get the bit out of a screwdriver without using another tool. There's a sweet spot for bit retention and it's got to be strong enough that you can kind of torque the bit and the screw head together without the bit hanging up in the screw head when you go to pull the bit out of the screw head while still being able to remove the bit from the screwdriver without extra tools. I've had that happen with torx head screws a lot and I think that the LTT screwdriver falls into that sweet spot.
Considering I have been watching Project Farm for years for his always honest and very well designed product reviews, whether I actually needed the item or not, the ratcheting screwdriver video was what finally pushed me to feel confident ordering the LTT screwdriver.
FWIW: If removing one data point significantly changes results, that's known as having a high fragility index
Fwiw?
@@MaxxsHandle FWIW is an acronym, "For What It's Worth".
@@Cake-ph5se thank you / ty
Depends on how many data points you have.
@@j.gilbert429 Yes, this is the definition of a fragility index 😉
Waiting on mine. The ONLY reason I got one was the direction of the ratchet ring - always wanted one that goes the "right" way. As far as Jay's drop, one can drop a cell phone 20 times with no damage, yet another can drop it just right from half the distance and destroy it. Such is life.
Comparing a electronic fashion product with a mechanical tool is quite hilarious
@@Khazar321 never broken a high dollar ratchet before have ya?
@@Khazar321 what he is saying is "the same thing can perform differently in seemingly the same circumstances due to chance or unforseen variables, so sometimes it's just that".
He used a smartphone as an example just because everyone is familiar with those.
And you're being an upstuck know-it-all without bringing anything to the conversation.
So it's not so clear cut who's the hilarious one here.
As an aircraft tech who uses tools professionally, I *will* be purchasing thanks to the reviews. Todd’s review being the most impressive, IMO.
Also, yes you can simply get in contact with Snap-On customer support and they will replace the tool for you. Even though their warranty states it’s lifetime for the original purchaser, which is what the tool truck franchisee will honor, their main customer support will also replace/repair second hand tools. Although, if you’re a regular, the tool truck guy will overlook second-hand purchases and still swap/repair your tools. In the case of your ratchet, they’ll likely just send a repair kit, which includes literally everything, minus the faceplate and handle.
The thing about pricing can really make or break a product. I recently started woodworking and want to buy a nailgun but in germany we don't build many houses out of wood so nailguns aren't really a thing here especially electric ones. So in the US you can buy one from various brands for something like 200$ but here you can only buy one model, from one brand for 600€. On the other hand a circular saw that costs like 2000$ in the US can be bought for 800€ because it's made in germany.
As for the review of the screwdriver. I was surprised how good it matched up to the competition and how much it differs from other products. It really shows how much research, engineering and work went into the product.
Honestly I've always only known carpenters to use pneumatic nailguns in Germany. Maybe those are more affordable. Can also recommend used pneumatic ones, as those things are nigh indestructible.
@@mojolotz but with pneumatic you need a compressor and not everyone has one :/
@@mojolotz Yes, most use pneumatic ones or Paslode ones with gas cartridges that need service once a year. Pneumatic ones are cheap but you need a compressor, extension cords for air and electricity. In other markets they switched to battery electric ones. It's a lot more comfortable to use a battery one when you're up in the rafters or on a site where you don't have electricity or access to it is limited.
Talked to some carpenters if they have access to more electric nailguns apart from the Makita for 600€ I can buy and they don't. Most of them stopped using nailguns and switched to using screws because they the building code allows it, they safe on some hardware to secure rafters and they can use the impact drivers they already have and have the freedom of a cordless tool. So there isn't really a market anymore for electric nailguns in germany.
@@yingtao6927 i see. Yeah that kinda makes sense. It was kind of a drag to always get those hoses up to the roof. Screws to seem a little overkill for roofing but with wages as they are in Germany it's probably cheaper to save the time.
@@deokureta108 if you need a nailgun i feel like you're already deep enough into it that that shouldn't be an issue.
As a 10+ year viewer of LTT, I was keen to order to support the channel. This was in part due to the transparency of the video that was posted chronicling the design/manufacturing process. However it was actually the independent reviews that convinced me, largely because of the mentality LTT has always had on trusting and cross-referencing data from multiple independent reviews. The fact that New Zealand has a very narrow selection of brands when it comes to products like this also helped.
Project Farm is such a thorough reviewer. The massive amount of trust from the public was definitely earned.
I am part of his audience and yours. His review sealed the deal for me. Now I'm waiting for the driver in the mail lol.
I want to hear AvE's take on it, although Sarah might not be too happy with how he handles the packaging
Man this would be great! Needs to happen
Yep boltr is a top tier review series
Considered sending him one that I bought but it seemed pointless. Everything he bring up in hit boltrs is covered on the LTT store. I could see him shaving the plastic and mentioning fiberglass reinforcement but the exact plastic is listed.
I came here to post this!
@@Kill4Glory yeah honestly it’s one of the best parts of Linus’s approach. He’s transparent about what they are using and why.
Ex Snap-On franchisee here. The tool trucks will generally visit shops on a weekly/bi weekly schedule in a dedicated area. You can get ahold of and track down your local dealer by speaking with any people in the automotive/airplane or mechanical related industries in your area. Alternatively you can call Snapon directly if you are not willing to do the legwork, Snap-On customer care would be more than happy to ship you a replacement.
He doesn't really need a replacement as he specifically designed his own to replace the Snap-On one he was using.
My biggest take-away from Todd's review is that I can get a great LTT screwdriver for 70 bucks... or an almost similar screwdriver, that the LTT one is based on, for 30.
As with a lot of merch, part of the reason for getting it is to support a creator that you like. But as somebody who has a megapro screwdriver and really likes it, I'm personally really excited to get a similar screwdriver that's tuned even better and looks a lot nicer.
If the one category where it was better is very important, and the two where it finished last or next to last are not, then it’s a good deal.
@@Spo8 don't get me wrong, love LTT. I just can't justify double the price for a megapro that's been given given some makeup and a corset to be prettier than the already decent base model. Especially since its a once a month use tool for me.
@@Deadl0ck ...ok then don't buy it
Bought mine after watching the Project Farm review. His reviews are the ones I trust above anyone elses.
Depending on what you are buying, Torque Test Channel is also very good, though specialises a lot more in impacts and such. Similar empirical based testing and honesty to Todd though.
@@tyrantworm7392 Love Torque Test channel as well!
I'm sorry to hear that. Project Farm deliberately left out models more closely aligned to the LTT driver to make it look like a legitimately priced tool. The reality is it's a slight remodel of a megapro model for a premium price.
@@chorak87 cope
@@akrimmer86 Ahh shucks you guys!
Linus speaks and tech stocks move. Nice to see the reverse still happens. Keeps you real.
nah lol
The reverse? Tech stocks move and Linus speaks?
The most likely use for having the screwdriver locked that I can think of is adjusting potentiometers and similar electronics. Having slop there would be annoying, but you would probably be more likely to be using a jewelers screwdriver, or a 4mm multi bit screwdriver.
I'd love to see a QuickBits themed screwdriver
The LTT screwdriver is certainly a great product, but I think it should be said that unless you use one at least 1x per week for something serious it's not really worth buying any expensive one at all IMHO.
How does a 15% more efficient mechanism matter if you do 6 or less screws every month?
The delay was a killer for me. I wanted a ratcheting screwdriver when I built my pc a couple of years ago and would have paid extra to support the channel but couldn't wait around.
I like having good quality tools even if I use them less frequently then I should. I’ve run into so many frustrations with tools, and ended up wasting extra time by saving a buck, when I could save myself time by just getting something that’s better quality.
@@arts3802
Well, fixed screwdrivers without a ratchet are disgustingly simple and cheap to make.
I like the idea of having a compact tool with integrated bit storage for everything I need. Like one row with all the bits for PC and Servers and another for camera gear instead of needing a ton of fixed drivers and Allen keys or one of those sets filled bits where you need to search for half an hour. The product fairly niche though.
I bought a ratcheting screwdriver from Stanley and the shaft wobbles so much, when I use it the bit holder comes loose, the ratchet threshold is so high that you can't screw in screws without first unscrewing them a little bit first. The magnet even fell out of the shaft too. The LTT screwdriver looks like one that solves all the issue I have had with the one I bought.
I can’t believe just how much some people like to jump to negative conclusions. No matter how open you are and have been about this product, no matter how many independent reviews you get, there’s always going to be a group that likes to think you must’ve manipulated it one way or another. Screw them!
The integrity you and Todd bring to YT is why we respect you guys so much
A truly detailed test would require repeating the test several times with fresh ratchets every time. Now you're getting into serious money for what is really a personally subjective decision. The reviews are great guides and I just don't need to have the kind of precision that some people demand. If the test used a representative sample of the product AND the test procedure is actually relevant to intended use, it's a good test. I would have expected LTT to test a dozen of them to failure before final approval, but that isn't necessary for TH-cam tests. Anyone who needs that kind of test depth should hire an engineering firm to test case quantities. It's a ratchet, it's not that complicated.
I love Project Farm for his reviews and subscribed to him for YEARS over how good they are in making tool purchase decisions.
Not only that, I think anyone complaining about the cost really doesn't know the tool sphere where anyone buying quality tools (especially if you run a business using those tools like with woodworking) knows you HAVE to have a "buy once; cry once" mentality where you spend the moolah (cry) and then are almost guaranteed never to spend it again vs cheaping out and needing a new tools every 3-5 years that quickly adds up to more than the expensive one in the long run! The LTT screwdriver is kinda there in that sense, but if it lasts as long as I imagine it should, you're talking about a tool that your kids will be using to build their computers after you're gone.
Anyone not complaining about the cost hasn't looked into ratcheting drivers themselves. LTT took a Megapro Ratchet (model# 211R1C36RD) and made slight modifications. The megapro model costs $15 less, has all of the same features, and a better bit assortment.
Exactly. You can immediately tell from the reaction who actually works with professional tools on a professional level and who doesn't. Even Wera these days is made out of chinesium and cheap plastic, amazon's reviews are filling up with pictures of people's screwdrivers that weren't even built straight or that shattered in their hands from normal use.
@@chorak87 And anyone who makes a complaint like yours doesn't know anything about materials, manufacturing, and tolerances.
I'm honestly glad that someone can still make premium stuff. The whole world has such a "who can get it to me cheapest" mentality that, if you _want_ to spend a little extra to get something that isn't a prop department version of an actual consumer good, then there's almost nothing left to pick from.
It's mostly all either cheap, or so expensive you will never afford it, and not much in between. :-(
So how do you know that the screwdriver is built to last? It's barely been released!
Free spinning caps are super handy on precision drivers for electronics assembly. I tend to palm the end cap and use a claw grip on the handle all with one hand.
For loosening stuck or rounded fastners I'll apply pressure on the end cap with one hand and turn with the other hand on the handle.
When it comes to the differences between tests, most notibly the screw retention strength of the magnet, its worth pointing out too that theres some varience due to testing methodology. Todd measured the force it takes to pull a screw from the bit, this is a combination of both magnetic and mechanical grip. If the screw and bit were more tightly toleranced the subsequent force is higher than the magnet alone. Whereas Jeff tested magnet strength at the tip of the bit only, which may also be lower on the LTT driver compared to other brands because it may rely more on magnet proximity rather that magnet strength. As the bit is much shorter a smaller magnet can be used, but that means a magentic field strength works on the square-root power rule that the closer proximity of the top of the screw will experience more magentic field strength. In other words its entirely possible the LTT screwdriver has a smaller effective magnetic field range, but once in said field it is comparably strong.
For me working in the military and maintaining tools in a support section, the Snap On tools do have a good return, but are not the best for durability
Prior military and now a military contractor. Its unbelievable the racket that Snap On has.
The locked position is required for adjusting potentiometers, capacitors or other components which are adjustable with a screw. There the slop is actually annoying. But then again, you can always have a separate fixed shaft around.
Yeah, people's specific use cases should be taken into consideration when deciding which one to buy. Like they said, it's all tradeoffs. If rotational slop is really important to you then absolutely get a different one, but for these two they apparently never use it in fixed position, so that metric just doesn't matter to them. Realistically there isn't a "best" screwdriver, they all have their place and you should be able to look at the test results from Todd's review to see which one best fits your needs
@@kevinwells9751 I know. I still ordered one. For adjustment screws I will take a fixed shaft one, a small one with that voltage probe light (don’t know what its called in English)
I was just commenting an example use case for the locked position as it sounded like most people couldn’t think of one.
just love your honest and open policy about what goes on...hope it becomes "viral" :) great work guys!
You guys made a great product and the review was amazing to see how good you guys did. I fully intend on ordering one when I have the money
Practice what you preach, that is what Linus did, and I love it. Before people say but that is easy, it ain't. There is alot of money involved and LMG is still a company. Probably every
business manager would have adviced against it. Simply because Linus had a whole lot more to loose then to gain by doing the early revieuws and he still did it. And for me thats a selling point even, the transparency but not for most people probably
Yes the Price for me in Germany is like 70$+18$ Shipping + 17$ US Tax. And cuz of non EU Import Tex here in Germany +19% so its like 125$ Total. Tbh that changes a lot :D Still bought 2 for my Dad as a Gift
one thing I want is a normal shaft to precision shaft adapter, they're super hard to find and I only have one because it came with a precision screwdriver kit.
In the late ‘90s a contractor friend of mine showed me his t-handle snap-on ratcheting screwdriver and I was instantly smitten by it. I initially bought their ‘stubby’ model but in short order got the medium shank and long shank one as well. I’d say 99% of my use case for these three has been building and repairing PCs and the medium shank in particular has probably cycled through thousands of PC component screws (the long shank is great for harder to reach areas; I don’t use the stubby much - but it’s in my ‘oh crap!’ go bag.)
So yeah, I’ve had these three for going on 25 years and wouldn’t touch a PC without them. Thing is, I paid roughly $240 for the three of them back in ‘96-‘97 (and my friend had to help me flag down a truck 2x…) bottom line is, if you are looking for tools that do the job you need them for, the price shouldn’t scare you away from buying quality. I don’t see myself buying the LTT screwdriver, but if I was in the market for a good straight ratchet, I definitely would.
Now, if LTT makes a t-handle ratchet, though…
The only thing that’s keeping me from getting one is the price. It looks like a very nice product and I really want one but I can’t justify that price for a screwdriver I would barely use. I have 3-4 ratcheting ones that I’d love to compare to these and that I do use when I use a screwdriver. I also understand the price is high to help pay for the years of making it. Hopefully it will go down at some point but for right now, I can’t spend it on one single thing like that. Side note: Linus, I have watched you for somewhere around 6-7 years now and I absolutely love your content and what you do. You’re the only TH-camr I relate to in almost any way and you’re by far my favorite TH-camr. As an longtime subscriber, I love you and the LMG/ LTT crew dearly and I love your content and the things you’d do. Keep up all the good work man!
That review honestly convinced me to buy the LTT one, just gonna wait a bit before placing an order but was glad to see it pretty much being a top performer.
@@chorak87 k but why not spend 15 dollars more for a screwdriver from a creator that looks cooler and is slightly better
@@prcvl because for some reason lots of trolls are out and about now over linus ever since the bag warranty thing. I completely agree that as a linus fan and someone who can afford his driver it was fine for me to pay the premium and know that linus treats his employees well and honestly he just seems passionate about it.
@@prcvl If I didn't already have an essentials only budget, a long wish list of needs vs barely used 3 different types of not ratcheting drivers, then I'd definitely consider LTT, because it looks like a good fit for my hands vs the Mega pro and the holds more bits and the other things pointed out in PF review. The "house tool drawer", my vehicle & the sad excuse I have for a tool box, all have more drivers than I use. If I had luxury budget, I'd get my cousin two, myself 2 & both of us a complete set of all the bits for the box. Ok, that's not true, I'd probably go see my fave in concert in a few days, because I've never heard live. I can't even afford all the essentials food, shelter, water.
@@chorak87 Except it doesn't have the same features. It doesnt have the grip section on the shaft which for me, is a major reason to consider this. And that this is designed for PC use (and not automotive) helps. Also, from what I understand, only the ratchet itself is taken from the megapro, not the entire driver.
@17:25 You can also carry around a longer phillips bit (i.e. 3 inch or 4 inch long bits) in you bag to deal with these situations.
Another thing to consider is that yours is designed for a specific use, where the Snap On has to be intended for more general purpose use.
It's all about the right tool for the right job. For PC building and other delicate work, it probably works very well. If your use case is different, get a different screwdriver.
God I love you guys! I'm so impressed with your honesty in a post trust world.
I've seen one of the reviews, but it would be useful if you had the links to the reviews you're referencing in the description or comment section
(EDIT) - I agree, having a magnet that is overly strong, especially with the shorter/compact bits, makes it a pain to change bits. sometimes i even have to pull a pair of pliers out for some.
In the USA Snap-On is so easy to swap out, so its preferred most times for heavy use tools. They swap them out most times no questions asked other than asking how the heck did you manage to do it to laugh with you. So many auto shops around most people so easy to arrange a spot to meet a truck real quick and swap out a tool even if you don't talk to the driver too often. LTT's free spin is what I noticed the most and think that is the best part of it, but everyone will have a different favorite reason to want one. Watching the vids they look awesome.
Just watched PF's video recently and i was so impressed with your driver. When I first heard about it I thought it would be cheap-mid range driver and priced by virtue of the name. I'm quite happy I was wrong and while I have no current need for a ratcheting driver, yours is the one I would get if I ever do get one. Congrats and I hope your driver is successful!
Big time tool user and buyer (work on aircraft). Bought one of these immediately after Project Farms review. My general preference if Milwaukee tools personally my job buys all Snap Ons. Day in and day out I use tools and pretty expensive ones. Even though is mostly parallels Mag Pros design it solves alot of issues. Its different enough to avoid their patented designs. Interesting enough you guys keep at it you might find yourself a tool company. Stranger things have happened..companies start out with XYZ then it morphs into ABC.
Ive used a Norwegians equivalent/(now) competitor ratchet screwdriver for about 8 years now, from being an IT Tech, to project manager, to iot tech and now iot consultant - admittingly mostly small scale, but ut has alot of rotational slop. I can ser that statisticly it is something to watch for, but in actuall use, it does not matter (in this scale), watching ProjFarm video as well. Looking forward to mine breaking, so I can get yours next! 😁
Edit:typo
19:02 I have never had same day replacement from snap-on for any tool, usually takes weeks, but might just be a thing with rep that comes to our shop
Luke trying not to lose it when linus said that pb swiss has a biiger shaft had me laughing
When it comes to testing tools Todd is the best. He pays for everything and shows how he tests them. He tests every tool to the same standards.
The only time I ever disable the ratchet on my screwdrivers is if I'm screwing and unscrewing multiple things within a short time frame. So for example, moving multiple expansion cards or drives to different slots or across different computers.
you screwdriver inspired me to disassembly my current no name rachet screwdriver and tune the springs for backforce
The whole reason I got out of engineering was the reviews, it’s really stressful it’s like getting a grade on an assignment but you can’t throw it away and everyone you know will see it, I know damn well Linus felt the breaking in the 200’s and the degree of rotation to the next gear being high in his gut, even though it was clearly a top 2 product overall with multiple more expensive ones above it and for non super extreme clamp on the handle twisting it is the best the build is great, everything about it prefect, it was neck and neck with one that was over twice it’s price, the bits were great it was the best grip best ergonomics, the square body provides a non role and the easy of use was superior to any other screwdriver there.
They way Luke giggles when Linus says "Thicker shaft" lol 😆 at thr 17:51 mark of this video of you want to see it for yourself
I have been a fan since the NCIX days. As someone that has spent most of my life in the construction field, years as a automotive tech and built dozens of custom PCs I can truly appreciate a well made tool. I have burned through tons of ratcheting screwdrivers. Currently have a Klein, Craftsman and MAC in my box now. I would love to get one of the LTT screwdrivers to test drive. I was beyond impressed with Project Farms results. The fact this is your first production tool and did that well is beyond amazing. I know your intended target isn't automotive/diesel techs but I wonder how well the grip holds up to diesel, gas and motor oil.
Also you have to understand the skepticism and some of the negative comments. You are entering a space that is violently competitive and most techs, builders, etc... that have been in the game for long enough have seen tool brands come and go.
as an auto mechanic I can see the want for a ratchting screw driver, but I don't see the need. you said it you've burned though them, and any tool that dosen't last a lifetime isn't super useful to me, imo.
also you need a driver to break a screw free, and then you can use your fingers, or if you need to run out something really long just get a electric drill or ratchet on there.
actually I guess for a lot of screws I put a bit in a 1.4inch bit holder and use a small ratchet. much easier to break a tough screw free and just as fast as a ratchting driver.
“You would need a thicker shaft”
-Luke 2022
I don’t think that Project Farm’s review would have swayed people’s opinion too much. Most people who use hand tools don’t use a ratcheting screw driver. It’s a niche tool and if you’re willing to pay a premium price for a high quality one then you’re not going to be swayed by his review.
Yes it's pretty rare. I like my regular screwdrivers just fine and have put thousands of hours into them... But damn do I love buying new tools and l buy this just to support their efforts
Well I think PF rigged the test to favor ltt. They used a megapro that wasn’t magnetized and the Swiss one he used the most expensive version. I saw nothing that made the LTT stand out from the rest of the more premium fields.
@@JechtAruon Nice opinion ya got there mate, too bad it's baseless.
Ive been watching Project Farm since like his 10th review or so, years and years ago. One of my favorite channels, and it was so exciting to see him test LTT stuff!
Now there's just 1 more person I want to try the screwdriver: your fellow Canajun, AvE. He can tear stuff apart and tell you exactly how it was made, and to what quality. He would love this tool!
My first interaction with Snap-on tools was a truck rear ending me a few months ago lol
So I work as an electrician and I'm really considering adding it to my set of carrying tools(The tools I have always in my tool pocket/pouch. I most likely will add it but damn if i could get the handle isolated would be soo perfect!! Like in electrician tools you have fully isolated tools(Shaft and handle) and you have partially isolated(Only the handle). If there was an LTT screwdriver that was partially isolated ohh perfect!!!
i was one of the people that said $70 for a screwdriver is insane but after watching the project farm video and seeing it outperform every other screwdriver on the market changed my mind and ill be ordering mine on Monday
It's funny, I'm a knife guy, so 90 for something premium just doesn't seem crazy to me.
Edit: 90 after shipping and taxes
@@Essex626 I have a snap-on account so yeah... $90 is nothing
honestly, if I ever need same day customer service on a screwdriver, then my life has gone really wrong somewhere
My screwdriver keeps disconnecting from the wifi. Got any solutions?
17:47 Love Luke's reaction to "...but, they also have a thicker shaft"
For me, the shaft being able to lock the shaft is important, but bit storage means nothing. I’ve never used internal bit storage because I work at a bench and have a nice, labeled tray for my bits. When you are working in tight spaces and need to get a screw started without cross threading it, having less slop in locked mode helps with feel.
The thing to bear in mind about reviews like Project Farm (which are very thorough and good) is that they are an objective review of various metrics in isolation, with no regard for context. That's good for comparison, but just because one scores badly doesn't mean it's bad. It might have excelled in the areas that are most important for what it was designed for and performed poorly in other areas.
With regards to the LTT screwdriver, if it performs exceptionally in PC building and other electronics then I think you've succeeded. When I've got my hand in a tight space trying to put a small screw in that only requires very light torque, I don't care how much rotational slop there is in the fixed mode because I'm never going to use that in this scenario.
All the tight spaces, until you need a longer shaft to get to a hard to access screw and then you need to buy an extender or just use a different tool, rendering all the incredible features of this one irrelevant...
As I said on Jay's channel after his vid on it. It looks nice, sounds like it functions perfectly for professionals that would use it for their job as one of their go to tools akin to a snap on tool. But for the everyman this is not the tool for you, nor would I use it in more industrial areas or jobs. If your building stuff as a trade that require something like this things versatility (I see most of those bits never even seeing use or leaving the driver once loaded into their cradles). It's not for everyone by any means to get.
The nice thing is that if you have specific needs though you can customize the bits with only ones that you need. Me for example, I don’t use a lot of flatheads but I use Philips of varying sizes and a decent number of torx bits as well. Plus the magnet takes up a bit and that thing is invaluable
I mean, I've spent 100 on a knife that didn't do anything a 25 dollar knife doesn't do.
It's a premium tool to buy because it pleases me. I expect it to have a notable fit and finish advantage, not much else.
People spend hundreds on knives or thousands on watches. 90 for a screwdriver is not a big deal.
@@Essex626 yeah exactly. I have bought cheaper tools that do work better then some other tools I have that I bought for more and for the most part I will reach for the tool I am most used to using. I can see this thing having a place but for the everyman I don't see it as anything but something you say you own and bought or if you make it a tool to use in a shop or job that uses screwdrivers all day. For example I have an I-fix it kit but I normally don't ever go to use it if I need a screw driver. I go for my 5 dollar long shaft one.
PB Swiss does have a ratcheting screw driver that can hold bits. Not sure if they currently make it but I was eyeing one a few months ago before buying the megapro (didn’t know this was comming out, def would have considered it)
One review I watched did not test the actual strength with which the magnetized tip held screws in place, but the magnetic field strength, which I found odd and probably also produces different results
Good screwdriver, bad price. I'm sure there's a market for it but it's overpriced for the average consumer unless your using it on a daily basis.
Or, view it as a way to support LTT. I run adblock and skip ads - so he got my business to make me feel a bit better.
@@ClanMcCormick I run adblockers as well. God send for LTT videos as they are loaded with ads.
As far as bit retention goes, I have a screwdriver that performs better in that category. But, it is so strong that for half the bits I use I need a pliers to remove the bit. :( Magnetic strength is definitely a balancing act. Project Farm's review is definitely going to make me consider using it on the farm (where I am only happy if a tool has industrial strength). This is something that is well outside LTT's design scope. Based on the independent reviews, I feel that LTT did a great job at building a quality tool for its intended purpose.
YES, I have extension shaft with magnet like that at work. It's nice on it's own for very low torque purposes, but changing the bit is _so hard_ even if ability to hold screws is not that crazy.
I'm an Aircraft mechanic by trade and I remove between 50 to 1000 screws a day everyday 5 days a week for the last 7 years. I have never used the middle setting on a screwdriver that holds the ratchet still. If I need a fixed screwdriver I just use a fixed screwdriver it just dose the job with a much lower profile and easier to use in tight areas.
I would love to see a small precision version of this driver!
I'm genuinely curious why you included square drive as standard. Those are the most unused bits that toolsets use to pump up the number of items. More torx sizes instead would be nice. And having to buy a set of torx just to replace those feels a little nickel and dimey
Do you mean the Robertson bits? Like the square-headed screws and stuff? If so, I think it's because those are very common in Canada. Unless you're Canadian and that's not correct, of course. I might be wrong about that, I'm not from North America.
It's because they're Canadian. Square drives are common there and used almost nowhere else.
I think robertson (the name for square bits) are common in canada seeing that it is the birthplace of the design. They are also used in receptacle boxes here in the states.
I use square bits a lot, they're common on residential electrical stuff like outlets and timers. Usually it's one of those weird combination screws that takes Phillips, flathead, or square, the square bit bites into the screw so much better while everything else slips out and makes it hard to torque down.
It's called Robertson and it is objectively better than Phillips, it is common for home things that go into wood such as decking or anything similar
I just happened upon the PF roundup. I'm kind of unusual because my 2 primary "hobby" interests are computers and wood/mechanical related activities. The latter has caused me to accumulate a tremendous number of tools over 50 years. I should also mention that my personal tool approach is buy the best you can afford so you only buy once. Also I also have a Batchelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering so I know a piece of crap tool when I see one. All of that said, as I watched the test video my feeling was it was thorough, fair and rigorous. My takeaways were; viewed as a purpose built computer assembly tool, it's unbeatable. Even though the Swiss tool was better in a couple of categories the price was a) ridiculous and b) when viewed in context, actually in my mind, made the LTT driver's price reasonable especially when the thoughtfulness of design became apparent . The fact that it could also be used as a general purpose tool is true, but for me is inconsequential. I have so many beater drivers that I don't care about that I wouldn't reach for the LTT driver unless necessary, but I do realize that some folks don't have that luxury, and for them it seems plenty durable. Finally, the tool directly addresses so many issues that I experience (trust me, when you get to 65 years old your dexterity is nowhere close to what it used to be). In view of all of the above I'm going to buy one and if you're a computer enthusiast, you should too.
I have been waiting for the screwdriver for a long time now. I daily drive the Klein non-ratcheting screwdriver as an apartment maintenance tech. I’m really excited about being able to hold more bits. The only thing I’ll miss is the fact that the Klein has 1/4, 5/16, and 3/8 nut driver sizes built into the bit holders as part of the shaft. I use the nut driver aspect about half the time. So I’ll have to think about carrying both or something else to work on nut style screws.
Or just a set of nut driver bits/ or even the flip sockets so you can just keep a small box/bag of the sizes you need compared to having
The PB Swiss is $77 here inkl. shipping. Just bought one. But also ordered an LTT one.
I would like to see the handle twist to form a T. Gotta admit, I though $70 was high for the tool, but then I watched a couple of these reviews and it's completely worth it. It's on my wish list now.
You've made -3 FOUR- FIVE separate comments on the same video at the same time. Come on, put it all in one comment.
Secondly, no, it's not completely worth it, as a screwdriver. The megapro one is barely any different and it's less than half the price $70 US is stupid expensive.
@@PBMS123 And now I'm making another one. I feel honored you're keeping track and find it interesting you prefer large rambling posts instead of short direct ones and substandard tools.
@@dbadaddy7386 it doesn't have to be one large rambling post, just press enter twice when you're starting a new paragraph or topic.
@@Martin-xh1hd Ah, now I get the opportunity to add another response. I'm not aiming for a record, but thank you for your assistance. And "reply" only takes one click.
He really wants the 'Liked by Uploader' tag today
Love the screwdriver - one of those tools I have been trying to justify buying. Unfortunately I don't have a use for it as an industrial equipment mechanic (I am far, far too hard on my tools). Excellent work!
Same here...
As someone who owns 3 Snap-On ratcheting screwdrivers both for fixing cars at work and hobbies at home I agree I rarely if ever lock it in place and use them that way. The point of using them is the ratchet and or the magnet.
I watched that review the day it came out not having a clue what the LTT driver was. Then after looking into it I rediscovered your channel after 3 years! Full circle
What about the fact that that one tech review guy dropped it from head height and the inside bit holder piece broke off? Kind of ironic.
if anything, the review convinced me to buy ~30$ one.
I love project farm I kindly corrected his pronunciation of Wiha and he replied with thanks for the construction criticism and corrected his pronunciation. This was months ago not when he was small.
Can yall make a case for ALL the bits though? I need them all and since you have the smaller bits it feels weird using a normal case
I really don't understand the hate the screwdriver is getting, its not like LMG is forcing people to buy it
No way would I ever spend more then $5 on a screwdriver. And anybody who does, has to much money and not enough common sense!
anybody who does either has no common sense, or works with one in their hands 8+ hours a day
And I bet you only buy food from taco bell as any other restaurant is for suckers, it's all food right?
Look at the how he built it video and you will see why it's that price.
I work in IT supporting field service repairs of IT equipment (PC's, Servers, Printers, Scales, etc) - ie, a lot of screwdriver work, lots of bits. In my screwdriver, here is what I populate my 12 slots with: Top six - T25/20/15/10/8, 5/32 security hex. Bottom six- SL2.5, PH1/2/3, PZ1/2. For most things, all I need is my screwdriver, and a telecom spudger (those little plastic pick things, I use the yellow version designed not to damage PCB's, not the black sharp ones that you see Linus use sometimes, as those like to stab me and can damage things if you slip). I want to love the LTT screwdriver - it is essentially an IT optimized version of the Megapro Automotive, and has a CRITICAL manufacturing refinement in the ratcheting mechanism tolerances to reduce jams (see the "why it took so long to make this thing" video, where Linus talks about the jamming problem). The jamming/ratchet wear issue on the Megapro Automotive has resulted in me being on my fifth copy of the thing, in just 4 years, due to me preferring to just buy a new one once that little rocker bit starts misaligning and causing jams.
Given how much I use my screwdriver, does that mean I've switched to the LTT one vs the Megapro? Sadly, no. I wish I could, but I simply can't, due to the 20mm bits - not being able to use standard bits in all 12 slots - and I both need and want ALL 12 if I want to carry just one tool - is a killer. Being able to replace worn or lost bits immediately by walking into any store that sells tools is critical when you use a tool for work. Sure, you could buy more of the stubby bits from LTT, but that's an additional expense, and an additional thing you need to keep track of - but even in that scenario, LTT doesn't make every possible bit type. 5/32 security hex is available at any Lowes/Menards/Home Depot, but unavailable from the LTT store (... T25 security would work I suppose).
I ended up giving my LTT screwdriver to my boss as a gift, as it did not meet my needs. If Linus ever makes one that can store regular size bits, I'll buy 5 for myself, and 3 additional to give away as gifts (ie to coworkers who I am tired of having to come help out when they can't fix things). No hesitation on that, when it's for work, the price is less important than the function, and if it held the regular size bits the LTT tool would be the handsdown king.
I had the mega pro and bought the ltt from watching the project farm video. I got the stubby when it came out too. I immediately found an application that the ltt worked for and the megapro was too long. I still reach for the ltts. I have 3 different snapon, Williams, Gedore, vessel, malco, gearwrench, wera, wiha, and stubby pb Swiss ratchet screwdrivers