68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
One of the most satisfying championships I've witnessed on screen. Billups Hamilton Prince Rasheed Ben Coach Larry Brown. One of the best defensive teams of all time.
@@paulwalkeer1842 the 89-90 Pistons and 96-98 Bulls are better defensive teams than this version on Pistons. It's not a knock on them. It's not wrong being the 3rd best defensive of all time.
68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
@@TejBBF223 man i know😞 Joe Dumars must saw a little of Adrian Dantley in Carmelo Anthony and he knew that probably would of ruined the team chemistry.. He still could of drafted Bosh or Wade tho
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
I'm not a piston fan so it was weird that I was actually cheering for them more then my own. Since those guys left I've never been a piston fan, but they were such a complete team I couldn't help but love them. Easily one of my favorite teams all time.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
Wait What!? Ben Wallace, this 6’9 monster played Safety!? This dude was the size of a DT imagine going across the middle of the field with Ben Wallace coming to clobber you.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
Hope ya'll got to talk about the '05 run as well. Love to her what he thought about having to deal with Timmy and then Manu coming outta nowhere, carving them up. Epic 7 games there.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
Great point by Russillo here. I think they're also going be better in today's game. A center that can also switch out in the perimeter to anchor the defense in ben, a versatile stretch 4 in Sheed, two great defensive wings that are also great shooter in Prince and Rip and a stable, savant pg in Billups go put it all together.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
This current version of the Heat team reminds me so much if the Pistons back then. They may not be the sexiest team, but the most solid. Just like that Pistons team, they can run with you and slow you down and beat you up. The seem to have it covered across the board with everything and can matchup evenly with other teams and play at whatever pace.
I hate the NBA leadership but they deserve a lot of credit for going against the grain and understanding that Mr. Ben Wallace absolutely had a Hall of Fame career..... This man led the Pistons to 6 conference finals, two finals and the one title in 2004. He was a four time Def. Player of the year and 5 time first team all defense . And he was a rebounding machine. But what him truly a great player is seen in the team built around him. He forced his teammates to be better than they were by getting them to play defense like no.other team in history Chauncey billips was washed up until he came to Detroit. Rip Hamilton sucked before and after being a Piston, and he was great........ Tayshaun Prince learned by watching after he was drafted and it showed when he blocked that layup out of nowhere vs. Indiana..,.. No one could take Rasheed Wallace but Ben Did. Sheed new from the rip that this was his team and he accepted that........ No one has ever been responsible as he was for building a championship With misfits.... Billips Hamilton nor prince will be in HOF, not even close
Love Ben Wallace and glad he in the Hall, 1 of the best defenders and rebounders ever but he capping when he said "15ft shot was my shot" He had no jumper at all
68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game... Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard... Greatest Defender ever.
- I like this Piston's team with no superstars but a complete team from 1-5, but LAL losing their glue in Karl Malone was the kicker. He sacrificed and kept the team in check.
I know people love to talk about the 2004 Finals and say that it was Wallace's defense on Shaq that led the Pistons to the upset, but Shaq averaged 26 PPG on 63% shooting in that series. Wallace did a good job don't get me wrong, but Malone being hurt and Kobe basically shooting them out of the series (38% FG on 23 attempts a game compared to Shaq's 17 attempts a game for perspective, 17% 3PT) were the two biggest factors. That 04 upset is still one of the best championship stories in NBA history though and Wallace and all those guys deserve a lot of credit.
Shaq couldn't get whatever he wanted and the amount of times their offense stalled trying to get it into the post will not show on a box score. They also didn't get second chance or fast breaks because we killed the boatds.
The Pistons had a better roster if you compare players 3-12 on both rosters. Shaq and Kobe were obviously the best players in the series. But after that, the Lakers roster was very thin and the Pistons completely neutralized them including Kobe.
@@andysawyer647 Yea I'm not saying Shaq dominated or anything, I'm pushing back on the simplistic take I've seen over and over from people that "Oh Ben Wallace shut Shaq down and that's why the Lakers lost." I did say the Pistons deserve credit and Wallace did a good job.
Well 26 sounds less impressive until you remember that Shaq averaged 38, 34 and 36 in his other Finals trips with the Lakers. Wallace slowing Shaq down is why you had to rely on Kobe and let the other Pistons shut him down. That doesn't happen without Wallace being the centrepiece of their defence.
@@johndebono1870 I swear people don't actually read. I didn't say Wallace didn't play good defense on him, I'm saying it's not the primary reason the Lakers lost. Btw 26 sounds impressive considering it was actually his best offensive series that year as he averaged 16.2 PPG on 52% against the Rockets, 23 PPG on 64% against the Spurs, 20.7 PPG on 57% against the Timberwolves, and finally 26.6 PPG on 63% shooting against the Pistons. Wallace was good on defense against Shaq, but he didn't shut him down like people talk like he did.
i’d put that 04 pistons squad up against any champ in NBA history. every player contributed on defense and they played the right way. best team ever assembled.
Pistons won bc Kobe wanted to prove he could win Finals MVP over Shaq. He shot 6 FGA more per game then Shaq but averaged 4-5 less ppg then Shaq (22-23 to 26-27 on 38 FG% vs 63 FG%…Kobe was also 20% or so from 3) and was outplayed by Billups and RIP. Lakers were one of biggest finals favorites ever. Shaq wasn’t as dominant as 92-93 to 2001-02 (especially those last 3 yrs) but he still averaged 27 & 12 on 63 FG% on only 16-17 shots per game!
Kobe had nothing for that Pistons squad. They played him mentally, Tayshaun won their matchup handily defensively. The Pistons were simply the smarter and better team.
@@YardratZ But he wasn't doing that though. Dude hardly ever took a jumpshot and if he did it was at the end of the clock and most likely NOT going in lol
@@silewis9396 very true. Looked up his advanced stats. 27% on 10-16 footers. Which ain’t great lol. Idk the amount per game. Still more respectable than Ben Simmons.
He sort of is defensively. He could come out and guard perimeter players easily. No, he couldn’t make shots consistently from outside but he can guard anyone on the floor.
Russillo are you high?!? In what world would Ben Wallace be better in today’s NBA. It’s possible he doesn’t make the league if he’s in the 2022 Draft.🤦♂️
Nah I think he was mobile and explosive enough to defend most elite guards in today's league and with the floor spacing of today's game he would be an effective rim runner
It's hard to say how he would hold up since Wallace's was never a good shooter. I do think he's basically Draymond 1.0, so I could see him fitting in perfectly with the Warriors or Raptors, but he's not an obvious fit.
Guy’s, Let’s be real..Ben Wallace averaged 9ppg in a system that insisted he got multiple touches a night,,one of the greatest defenders of the early 2000s. He was never dominant on the offensive end at any point of his career though , Andre Drummond, Steven Adams and Gobert. All seen diminished roles in the playoffs, because they can’t keep up with this pace nor guard on the perimeter while getting cooked on switches. I love Ben Wallace but today’s NBA wouldn’t have ever started Ben Wallace on any team in the League atm.
Hall of famer.
Top 3 defender of all time.
Detroit born and bred here.
2004 pistons always in my heart.
68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
One of the most satisfying championships I've witnessed on screen.
Billups
Hamilton
Prince
Rasheed
Ben
Coach Larry Brown.
One of the best defensive teams of all time.
*The best defensive team of all-time*😀
@@paulwalkeer1842 the 89-90 Pistons and 96-98 Bulls are better defensive teams than this version on Pistons. It's not a knock on them. It's not wrong being the 3rd best defensive of all time.
@@knnthhhh Bruhhh, this is AFTER hand-check rule change. This Pistons team is THE best defensive team.
@@knnthhhh Nah these Pistons are better. Everyone on the team contributed at a great level on D.
- My favorite satisfying chips? Spurs revenge over Lebron in MIA in 2014. (Honorable mentions are: this Pistons' team and 2011 Mavs over Heat)
How can some of you hate on an Undrafted HALL OF FAMER!!!!
Because he rocked that uncontrolled fro
68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
6 straight Conference Finals= 2 NBA finals!! Man the Pistons had a hellava run in the 2000's
And in 2003 they could've drafted Melo, Wade or Bosh.
@@kaiserrino8774 they could for real have won 2 or 3 if they had any on of those guys.
@@TejBBF223 man i know😞 Joe Dumars must saw a little of Adrian Dantley in Carmelo Anthony and he knew that probably would of ruined the team chemistry.. He still could of drafted Bosh or Wade tho
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
Ben Wallace is one of the best defenders ever.
The best all time easily.... By d numbers and his game
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
big ben sounds like what you'd think he'd sound like
“Patrol the paint…” - Big Ben’s And1 quote… 💪🏼
Wallace the most intimidating center of all time idc
I'm not a piston fan so it was weird that I was actually cheering for them more then my own. Since those guys left I've never been a piston fan, but they were such a complete team I couldn't help but love them. Easily one of my favorite teams all time.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
Wait What!? Ben Wallace, this 6’9 monster played Safety!? This dude was the size of a DT imagine going across the middle of the field with Ben Wallace coming to clobber you.
Taller than Calais Campbell
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
Hope ya'll got to talk about the '05 run as well. Love to her what he thought about having to deal with Timmy and then Manu coming outta nowhere, carving them up. Epic 7 games there.
Ryen is easily my favorite NBA TH-camr/podcaster... Bill and him have a great balance.
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
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Decent glimpse at that series, nice work and shout out to Wallace.
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Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
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You could see how happy Ben when when Ryen was saying "You'd be even better today"
Great point by Russillo here. I think they're also going be better in today's game. A center that can also switch out in the perimeter to anchor the defense in ben, a versatile stretch 4 in Sheed, two great defensive wings that are also great shooter in Prince and Rip and a stable, savant pg in Billups go put it all together.
For sure. Sheed was ahead of his time. Sucks how many players would’ve been perfect for this era and vice versa
Pistons hold to 68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
This current version of the Heat team reminds me so much if the Pistons back then. They may not be the sexiest team, but the most solid. Just like that Pistons team, they can run with you and slow you down and beat you up. The seem to have it covered across the board with everything and can matchup evenly with other teams and play at whatever pace.
I hate the NBA leadership but they deserve a lot of credit for going against the grain and understanding that Mr. Ben Wallace absolutely had a Hall of Fame career.....
This man led the Pistons to 6 conference finals, two finals and the one title in 2004.
He was a four time Def. Player of the year and 5 time first team all defense .
And he was a rebounding machine.
But what him truly a great player is seen in the team built around him.
He forced his teammates to be better than they were by getting them to play defense like no.other team in history
Chauncey billips was washed up until he came to Detroit.
Rip Hamilton sucked before and after being a Piston, and he was great........ Tayshaun Prince learned by watching after he was drafted and it showed when he blocked that layup out of nowhere vs. Indiana..,..
No one could take Rasheed Wallace but Ben Did.
Sheed new from the rip that this was his team and he accepted that........
No one has ever been responsible as he was for building a championship
With misfits....
Billips Hamilton nor prince will be in HOF, not even close
Ben Wallace basketball IQ is off the charts
He banked the SHOT💪💪
BIG BEN WAS BORN IN THE D 2 WE NEED A BALLOCUMETARY 🏆🙏🏾🧿
How is he not on the NBA 75.. Anthony Davis…? Whaa…???
Lakers fan here I remember I was a kid watching this series and that defense was the toughest defense I've ever seen my Lakers go against.
I’d say the 2008 and 2010 Celtics were tougher
My team just won the championship at the Ben Wallace gym where he went to college 🤣 shout out to Ben
Love Ben Wallace and glad he in the Hall, 1 of the best defenders and rebounders ever but he capping when he said "15ft shot was my shot"
He had no jumper at all
LMAO when he had more than 2 points in a game, you know he went off.
I mean Ben hit that shot once in a while but it was shocking when he even took it 😂
Y'all obviously have not a damn clue what youre talking about.
He wasn't bad at sorting the midrange. Granted no one ever really paid defense on him outside of the paint so he was wide open for most of his shots.
Detroit championship squads are some of the most complete units, top to bottom.
68 total Points from Shaq per 5 games is 13.6 per game...
Wallace hold in Season in avg 8 or less points who the hella guard...
Greatest Defender ever.
Big Ben is a God
The big red 3 from Virginia Union University. B-b-b-Ben Walllllllace! Favorite player ever. Only undrafted player in the hof
This man have a heart of lion fr fr
True. But not a Detroit Lion 😃
Thinking about it 04 Pistons were the first small ball champions.. then the 11 Mavs
Tyson Chandler and Dirk are both 7 foot, and started on Dallas so nah
- I like this Piston's team with no superstars but a complete team from 1-5, but LAL losing their glue in Karl Malone was the kicker. He sacrificed and kept the team in check.
Mavs used zone defence
Snubbed from the 75th list.
Picture Ben Wallace as a damn safety
I know people love to talk about the 2004 Finals and say that it was Wallace's defense on Shaq that led the Pistons to the upset, but Shaq averaged 26 PPG on 63% shooting in that series. Wallace did a good job don't get me wrong, but Malone being hurt and Kobe basically shooting them out of the series (38% FG on 23 attempts a game compared to Shaq's 17 attempts a game for perspective, 17% 3PT) were the two biggest factors. That 04 upset is still one of the best championship stories in NBA history though and Wallace and all those guys deserve a lot of credit.
Shaq couldn't get whatever he wanted and the amount of times their offense stalled trying to get it into the post will not show on a box score. They also didn't get second chance or fast breaks because we killed the boatds.
The Pistons had a better roster if you compare players 3-12 on both rosters. Shaq and Kobe were obviously the best players in the series. But after that, the Lakers roster was very thin and the Pistons completely neutralized them including Kobe.
@@andysawyer647 Yea I'm not saying Shaq dominated or anything, I'm pushing back on the simplistic take I've seen over and over from people that "Oh Ben Wallace shut Shaq down and that's why the Lakers lost." I did say the Pistons deserve credit and Wallace did a good job.
Well 26 sounds less impressive until you remember that Shaq averaged 38, 34 and 36 in his other Finals trips with the Lakers.
Wallace slowing Shaq down is why you had to rely on Kobe and let the other Pistons shut him down. That doesn't happen without Wallace being the centrepiece of their defence.
@@johndebono1870 I swear people don't actually read. I didn't say Wallace didn't play good defense on him, I'm saying it's not the primary reason the Lakers lost. Btw 26 sounds impressive considering it was actually his best offensive series that year as he averaged 16.2 PPG on 52% against the Rockets, 23 PPG on 64% against the Spurs, 20.7 PPG on 57% against the Timberwolves, and finally 26.6 PPG on 63% shooting against the Pistons. Wallace was good on defense against Shaq, but he didn't shut him down like people talk like he did.
i’d put that 04 pistons squad up against any champ in NBA history. every player contributed on defense and they played the right way. best team ever assembled.
Typical Big Ben stat line: 2 pts, 20 rebounds, 6 blocks. 🤣 Dude was nasty.
Add 3 or 4 steals & 9 of those rebounds are offensive & you nailed it 😎
@@TheShadow84 LMAO yup
Big Ben was my hero in little league
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Pistons won bc Kobe wanted to prove he could win Finals MVP over Shaq. He shot 6 FGA more per game then Shaq but averaged 4-5 less ppg then Shaq (22-23 to 26-27 on 38 FG% vs 63 FG%…Kobe was also 20% or so from 3) and was outplayed by Billups and RIP. Lakers were one of biggest finals favorites ever. Shaq wasn’t as dominant as 92-93 to 2001-02 (especially those last 3 yrs) but he still averaged 27 & 12 on 63 FG% on only 16-17 shots per game!
Pistons won because they were the best Team in the league.
Pistons won because they dominated them. Pistons were the better team that year. But feel free to make stuff up lol
Kobe had nothing for that Pistons squad. They played him mentally, Tayshaun won their matchup handily defensively. The Pistons were simply the smarter and better team.
The pistons were not the best team in the league, the lakers had no business losing. Kobe choked, simple
Guys who play football and basketball are the best defenders in basketball
Challenge me on it lol
Heck ya.
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Ben would average 10 off boards nowadays.
Why is he talking like he's a stretch five? 😭
Technically speaking, back then he was considered an aggressive stretch five. A stretch five in 2004 was someone who could bank a 15 footer.
@@YardratZ But he wasn't doing that though. Dude hardly ever took a jumpshot and if he did it was at the end of the clock and most likely NOT going in lol
@@silewis9396 very true. Looked up his advanced stats. 27% on 10-16 footers. Which ain’t great lol. Idk the amount per game. Still more respectable than Ben Simmons.
@@YardratZ I mean Ben Simmons isn't a very high bar to clear lol
He sort of is defensively. He could come out and guard perimeter players easily. No, he couldn’t make shots consistently from outside but he can guard anyone on the floor.
Russillo are you high?!?
In what world would Ben Wallace be better in today’s NBA.
It’s possible he doesn’t make the league if he’s in the 2022 Draft.🤦♂️
Nah I think he was mobile and explosive enough to defend most elite guards in today's league and with the floor spacing of today's game he would be an effective rim runner
It's hard to say how he would hold up since Wallace's was never a good shooter.
I do think he's basically Draymond 1.0, so I could see him fitting in perfectly with the Warriors or Raptors, but he's not an obvious fit.
Guy’s, Let’s be real..Ben Wallace averaged 9ppg in a system that insisted he got multiple touches a night,,one of the greatest defenders of the early 2000s.
He was never dominant on the offensive end at any point of his career though , Andre Drummond, Steven Adams and Gobert. All seen diminished roles in the playoffs, because they can’t keep up with this pace nor guard on the perimeter while getting cooked on switches.
I love Ben Wallace but today’s NBA wouldn’t have ever started Ben Wallace on any team in the League atm.