Ben Wallace's Defense vs. Shaq (2004 Finals - Game 2)
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- June 8, 2004 - Shaquille O'Neal shot 9-of-13 from the floor when defended by Ben Wallace in Game 2 of the 2004 NBA Finals. Finishing 10-of-20 from the field overall, O'Neal's 29 points and 7 rebounds helped propel the Los Angeles Lakers to a 99-91 overtime victory, evening up their best-of-seven NBA Finals series with the Detroit Pistons.
All told, O'Neal averaged 26.6 points on .631 percent shooting in a five game series loss to the Pistons.
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This Pistons defense was incredible! Larry Brown choosing to not double down on Shaq was brilliant. Tayshaun Prince length and size on Kobe out on the perimeter was the MOST important element of that defense. Possibly the best defensive team in NBA history.
Miss this era😢
One team had 2 mvps, one team had a better team.
facts.
3 mvps technically, but yeah Malone didn’t play much.
True. Detroit was a juggernaut defensively
4 MVP’s. Gary Payton won a DPOY.
@@micdagreat1that's not an MVP bruh...
Look how far shaq is from the basket. He ate but him having catch and post up from 10-15 ft instead of 5-10 ft really messed up the rhythm
Ben is probably the only player capable of pushing Shaq out of the 3-second box...
Greatest piston team ever built
Hard work beat talent when talent doesn’t work hard. Shot out Big Ben
Shaq and Big Ben traded for each other in the offseason in 2009 that got Shaq to Cleveland to help LeBron get a ring but didn’t happen, meanwhile Ben didn’t play a single game for the Suns therefore they released him and return to the Pistons for 3 more seasons before retiring in 2012.
That's sounds like a W for Ben, and that 3 extra years with Pistons was like a showing BAAAAA Baaaaa Ben Big Wallace from Virginia Union University(VUU = 3). The best think about Ben was... he came back and don't even ask to get his number back. I think Rodney Stuckey wear his number... Ben came and simple try to do his think... Even past his prime he sometimes looks like a best player on the floor. I remember his block vs Wall or Sheed(Boston) or still the ball from Billups. Big Shot have this ball in hand like 0.2 sec and Denver action stoped. Ben score a eazy 2 points. This man was a DOG and i like to watch him but i don't want get a punch from him. DOG = I mean F PITBULL or Wolf vs sheeps :) I miss you Ben. I hope ine day u play for celebrities game and block someone, stl a ball and get a reb. This will be epic.
Wow this makes me nostalgic, i feel like watching the whole series
I thoroughly enjoyed this beat down
Chemistry killed that 04 lakers team. Way too much dysfunction by that point with the Kobe drama and shaq possibly leaving. Then you add a tremendous defense in the pistons and the lakers just couldn’t overcome it with talent alone. They didn’t have the bond to work together.
Malone got hurt. Thats it
@@majormarketing6552Kobe got held to 30% in 4/5 games that what happened.
Shaq dominated but Kobe got ABSOLUTELY clamped lmao
Kobe shot
4/13
8/25
7/21
10/27
@@Shzzaamshaq didn't dominate
Plus you add 2 of the biggest losers to that team,Payton & Malone🤦🏽
Thank you for uploading this
What a ture underdog story when the pistons beat the lakers in the 2004 nba finals.
I think the Detroit Shock won the championship that year too, I watched the 2004 finals with a good friend who was DETROIT born and raised, I remember him saying "2004" is the year pf Detroit Basketball, he may not have been wrong lol
@@stevenqbosell
The Detroit Shock won the championship in 2003...worst in 2002 to champions in 2003.
Anyone that watched that pistons team that year knew that was no underdog team. That Lakers team was at each other's throats all year. Detroit was hardened from losing the previous year. They were efficient enough on offense and had one of the best defenses in the history of the league. Got key contributions from young players in the playoffs.
@@Whiskyfan519 This. They were the favorite if you actually know about basketball and watched that Pistons team. They were the "underdog" because LA always has flash scorer types. You could tell Detroit was going to shut them down and they did. Lakers couldn't even muster 70 points in game 3
Kobe shot them out of the finals with that atrocious 22 pts 38% FG. He was the reason why the lakers didn’t 4peat because he wanted a finals MVP (stated by Kobe himself).
I'd love to see a 30 for 30 on this Lakers team and their collapse in the Finals. As a Laker fan, this loss has always frustrated me. Too many Hall of Famers to lose like that, ya know?
No. That's why they lost. You can't have a team with that much ego. 4 guys who were used to having the ball A LOT. Karl was 2nd all time in points by a large margin and he had to be the 3rd or 4th option.
@Ccann89 it wasn't ego. They wouldn't have made it that deep into the postseason if it were ego and chemistry issues. Gary and Karl were old, but it's still no excuse for a complete collapse in the finals against an excellent defensive team. I mean that loss altered the course of the franchise going forward. They went thru a rebuild if you want to call it that, which included Shaq going to Miami and winning a chip there. I mean the Lakers had 4 HOFers in their starting 5, and lost. They just simply got outplayed by a much younger team
They had 2 of the biggest losers ever in Payton & Malone🤦🏽
The better team won.
Detroit played an excellent team game.
4:15 wasnt a foul.
Guarding shaq 1 on 1 is like getting hit by a boxer while bench pressing. People dont appreciate post defense. Ben did a phenomenal job in that series. A guy like shaq will have his number but staying out of foul trouble while giving single coverage is hard for shaq defender
I always find it laughable when they say Ben Wallace was one of the few people who Shaq couldn't dominate. Shaq was the top scorer in the 2004 Finals with a high field goal percentage. And if you watched the Finals closely, Elden Campbell did a better job defending Shaq in the post.
Your correct I remember. Elden had more weight on him which made him be able to contain him a lil bit more
Now that you mention it, here’s Elden Campbell’s defensive sampler on O’Neal from that series (taken from Games 2 & 3): th-cam.com/video/zFmg4R9PnkQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zQ_6McyI-8zNnr5w
Elden Campbell was cool as a Laker, glad he won a ring with the Pistons in 04
@Swove2204 that is awesome, great work! As a huge Shaq fan, I always gave Elden props and I've been telling that to my friends. Now I can show them proof haha
The point people make was that he allowed Detroit to have their own center taking Shaq straight up without getting destroyed too badly.
Yes Shaq had good numbers but he was always even better the number suggested because if you played him straight he's doing an hyper efficient 35, if you don't and bring a ton of help, you end up giving space to LA's shooters and Kobe.
Shaq had a good series but LA still had a bad offense because Detroit could still focus on the rest of the team, especially Kobe.
He really did a great job. Shaq scored 29 with %50 FG and Lakers won that game 😊
these highlights are from all four games not just one
Pistones won that serie 4/1
Yeah considering they almost swept the lakers lol
Love hearing from all these Laker fans still in denial! This was the only win for the Lake show in that series.
My jaw literally just dropped on that last Shaq alley oop, Shaq is somehow criminally underrated when it comes to the goat discussion, especially when we’re talking centers. Hack a Shaq didn’t even work because even with a terrible 50% free throw percentage you’re still giving him free points.
User name checks out as far as basketball IQ goes.
Why are the graphics so good here lmao
Lakers lost because Kobe got held to 30% in 4/5 games
Shaq dominated but Kobe got ABSOLUTELY clamped lmao
Kobe shot
4/13
8/25
7/21
10/27
I've been a Laker fans since 1974, you can show all the statue you want, but Ben Wallace dominated shaq, and Shaq was getting fouled and going to the line and missing shots at the foul line, yeah Kobe didn't do great either, but you just can't blame it on one person hater, it's a team sport, everybody forgets that, they just want to blame it on one person, even though Kobe Bryant was still the second lead scorer for the Lakers in the championship game, no one else but Kobe and Shaq, it must be nice when you wake up, in the morning, and the first thing you think about is hating Kobe Bryant, job finished.
@@hashmoncrief6965 Kobe sucked though, he should've been the second leading scorer if he was gonna take 20+ shots a night (and miss 70% of them). People forget how important efficiency is and how easy it was for brickaholics like Kobe and Iverson to singlehandedly lose games for their team. People just see that they score 25 points and think they had a great game, not realizing they took 30 shots to get to those 25 points, failing to convert on up to 20 possessions for their team. And at least in Iverson case he never really played with another offensive star. Kobe could've (should've) just passed it to Shaq who had a FG% over 60 in that series.
@@BR-re7ozwhoever your favorite player is would have had some of those same percentages at those times. PHYSICALITY SIR!
@@dennisbrownjr.231 lmao like I just said shaq had a FG% of 60 not gonna debate with people who can't read
@@BR-re7oz I can read just fine bro, it’s just y’all analytical people kill me. The man is a top 10 player of all time and won 5 titles in 7 tries. What are we talking about man percentages? Smh man watch the full games and based your basketball opinion off that, not the box scores after. When you a killer like Kobe & AI, your gonna take that volume of shots often especially in a more physical era than we see right now. I see your point about empty possessions, but watch those games & tell me what you would’ve done differently 😂 that would’ve happened to many of todays stars as well if they played against pistons in that era. Efficiency goes out the window when you play against a super smart & physical team.
I remember this, the Lakers lost the finals and Kobe got into trouble.
I remember shaq losing to the pistons in the 05 playoffs with wade .
I only saw Shaq having his way in the paint. This 04 team was flawed, they had no spacing even with a healthy Malone and a more in prime Payton. Detroit could load up on Shaq
39-32 with 2 minutes left in the half. The most physical era in NBA history...by far
The defense was clean still
The most bricks in an era
It's not. Nice try smooth brain
I stopped watching NBA after Jordan's last ring but even this was watchable vs today's game
If you liked that era then you should stop watching basketball now. It's pretty offense dominated.
Stop the cap. You should watch more NBA this era as for sure is still really exciting
@@natemarco8318 Yeah there are still great games today with defense too. The only thing is those few games when they shoot close to 40+ three pointers like Minnesota did the other day. they shot 48 threes... Thats just unwatchable. I find everything below 30 3pa is good.
If Rudy Gobert were able to win 4 DPOY, then Big Ben should have won 8 times DPOY.
The pistons was ready that year💯💯
Of course Shaq is like 7 feet tall and Ben is only like 6’7. Shaq probably out weighs him by like 80lbs. Look at the size difference from the video. I like Ben but nobody can stop shaq
Yao Ming held him to 16 ppg in 2004 playoffs look it up. Shaq couldn’t move Yao.
Ben is 6'9"
@@jdspencer60 in shoes maybe in reality he is 6'7 and a half
If ben was taller he could definitely defend him alot better
I miss those old school rims
If Shaq had kobes mentality as far as keeping in shape and desire to win this series would have went 6 prob 7. Shaq was unguardable but started falling off after 02 and had he dedicated himself its a very real possibility he gets ring number 4 and finals MVP number 4 here
The Pistons' strategy was to let Shaq get his points, and lock down the other shooters
As a former player i never understood doubling all game yeah flashes but you cant give a great player that look sll night
Pretty sure I was cheering for the Blazers in this one
No one thought Laker would lose the finals, even Pistols.
Such an unlikely championship for Detroit. Ben Wallace severely undersized for a center with no offensive game whatsoever, disgruntled Rasheed Wallace traded to them close to the end of regular season, Tayshaun Prince only a sophomore with really only one regular season under his belt, Rip Hamilton basically traded off Jordan's team by Michael Jordan himself, and Chauncey Billups, the undersized journeyman pg who was always trade bait for his teams.
I still think Rodman did a better job of limiting Shaq but Wallace did what he needed to do. He allowed the rest of the team to clamp down on the other Lakers. Shaq still got his but the other Lakers were shut down. Much like the Bad Boys against Jordan. The Jordan rules weren't designed to stop MJ, they were there to shut down everyone else. Jordan still got his. Some guys you just can't shut down, you can only try to contain the damage.
I thought Shaq was the most dominant big man ever? I thought Kobe had the “mamba mentality”? 😂 The same pistons team that LeBron beat all by himself at the age of 22 🤫
Then what happened?
@@SKAMGOD He was 22 years old and didn’t have another all star or HOF coach and ran into the spurs in their prime that had THREE HOF players and a HOF coach. Same thing that happened to MJ when he ran into the Celtics. Only difference is MJ didn’t get swept in the finals. MJ got swept in the first round of the playoffs
@@DE4D_Pool so your over all point is that Lebron is the goat?
@@SKAMGOD I didn’t say that. I think LeBron is the 2nd best player in nba history. It’s hard to beat 6-0 in the finals. BUT
if I had the #1 pick in the NBA historical draft and every player in nba in history was available… I’m taking LeBron with the first pick. If I can’t get him another all star teammate or a HOF coach and he leaves, so be it. That my damn fault not his
@@DE4D_Pool that’s fair. Hard to compare eras. Can’t go wrong with the Lebron gamble. Drafting him can bring the highest of highs and the lowest of lows
What a nightmare that must’ve been trying to defend prime shaq
Respect to Wallace but Rodman was a better defense on shaq numbers don’t bs
Prime Shaq
“Kobe to Malone, Malone to O’NEAL!”
Think about those words 🤯
Not really overwhelming since they lost so badly in the rest of the series. Karl Malone was basically a non-factor
@@jdspencer60 Just the HOF names involved in that call 🤯
Majority of the finals, only Shaq was effective and efficient, everyone else on the Lakers were doo doo
It’s in 16:9🙏🏽
Shaq was still dominant but he was also so out of shape. Some of these ridiculous looking layup attempts should have been dunks. Knowing what we know about the two superstars now, I don’t blame Kobe for trying to do it himself anymore. It must have been frustrating to know Shaq put half the work in that Kobe did and was still the focal point of the team, and would ultimately take the credit again if they won.
*Allowed* to dominate.
Fixed.
Who cares who tries hardest. It's who's best
Kobe actually was a huge detriment to the team trying to do it all. I think it was game 4 where he couldn't buy a bucket
@@jakerojas4756Because hard work generally Trump's natural talent. I've seen plenty of guys with natural athletic prowess get outworked by a less talented guy. It's when you combine natural talent with hard work that you get legends. Guys who are better athletes tend to rely too much on that natural athleticism to win instead of working on fundamentals. Larry Bird was at an athletic disadvantage most nights on the court but he still wrecked the league for a decade because he outworked everyone else.
@@jdspencer60airhead
I had no idea al michaels did nba to lol.
If Shaq trained like LeBron he would be the greatest of all time
This defense was tuff n ben was to no doubt but peep how everytime somebody lose they say they get locked up Shaq averaged 27 ppg when they losses this Lebron averaged 28 ppg the finals loss against the spurs 33 ppg against the warriors when iggy won I mean🤷🏾♂️
Shaq’s azz was out of shape in the series. Malone was injured. Gary was a shell of himself. Plus you can tell the Lakers we’re dysfunctional. They weren’t even communicating or playing as a team.
This was a weird time in the NBA. The broadcast on ABC just didn’t feel right
👍🏻
With Fisher and Malone 😑
If the Lakers had played the offense through Shaq those series. the finals would have been BBQ Chicken.
That's exactly what the Pistons did, they let Shaq go 1 on 1 without doubling him often so he would eventually be worn down in the 4th quarter. The rest of the Lakers struggling to score throughout the series wasn't by accident that was the Pistons gameplan to stay home on them. It was so easy to shut the Lakers down because Shaq was in the low block clogging the lane all the time and wasn't able to stretch the defense going further out.
@@ChrisM07that's true Shaq is double teamed or Zone Defensed nearly the whole series...
Shaq scored easily on Big Ben one on one...
@@rayray5472 Not throughout the entire series, G3 he was pretty much held in check and in G5 wasn't much of a factor either G4 was his best game and the Pistons still won that one convincingly. Like I said the Pistons single covered him often so he would be worn down by the 4th quarter then the Pistons would take over from there. Ben wasn't the only one defending him multiple guys were so Ben was able to stay out of foul trouble down the stretch.
The Lakers Don’t played through Shaq enough because Kobe wanted be the man in those finals and he broke down the offense so many times. he admitted that he was wrong years later.
@@TonyHerrera2023 Shaq got more touches in this series compared to the other series in the West which the Lakers won. Shaq is obviously tough to cover single handedly, but the Pistons had multiple good post defenders to guard him and wear him down a bit by the 4th where he was less effective when looking at the games. The Lakers not having Horry anymore played a factor as well considering his impact against the Pistons the following year w/the Spurs.
Shaq was fat in that time,he gained weight and wasn't that fast anymore.
He averaged 26ppg on 60% this series. Kobe gagged his brains out and shot below 40%.
its kinda funny poeple talking about hey detroit dismantled and destroyed la lakers.. shaq got dominated by ben wallace.. the reason why they lose is about team chemistry and their relationship that year they their best 1-2 punch are fighting each other kobe ballhogging egos killed outplayed them thats why that year shaq got traded to miami kobe this before he died 1 on 1 interview with shaq
Stop making excuses, they’re lost fair and square
@@Loganandvintagepapisnumber1h8rKobe played for Kobe
If Kobe is to blame .. why did shaq on the heat lose to the pistons with wade in the 2004-05 season ? Let me guess kobe hall hogging made shaq lose on the heat haha
@@bentheisraelite 22.6/4.4/2.8 FG% 38.1 kobe trash.
That bullshit as flop by ben wallace.
But he lost....
I see Shaq dominating as usual...Ben wasnt doing much
He lost 4-1 😂😂😂😅😅😅
And he won three championships before that.
@@hashmoncrief6965 and couldn't beat the pistons with that team, pathetic
Shaq is the most overrated athlete in sports history.
Fool !!
Blake Griffin would destroy Bengina Wallace in the paint