For a mathematician or electronics engineer this video could be told in a few seconds: "TAI" means "OR", "VAI" means "Exclusive-OR", usually abbreviated "XOR"
Thank you a lot a lot a lot. I can’t really describe how much I appreciate your help and videos. Making these topics small and simple to digest and understand is an amazing skill. Thank you so so so much for your help
Another amazing video! I had trouble differentiating between these two words when certain green owl taught them to me 😅 but I can always count on you to make learning Finnish both easy and fun! Kiitos tosi paljon Kat 💚
Thank you Kat, you have a gift for making confusing things simple. I've been doing the Duolingo course for over 300 days and this was still confusing.❤
@@KatChatsFinnish Thanks Katya. Sadly it's not that impressive. The free Duolingo course does not have the ability to ask questions. So I still make frequent mistakes in the simple partative present singular without even dealing yet with the locative , plural and perfective.
I'm a huge fan of Kat's work and this video lesson is an example of why. I was searching for exactly this. Löysin kantarellin metsästä. Työsi muuttaa elämää, ja sitä arvostetaan.
I have to say that your videos always fascinate me. Although I am a native Finnish speaker I love to watch you explain something I could never do. Just want to add that VAI can be used with multiple objects as well. "Otatko omenan, banaanin vai päärynän". So choose one of the list, i.e. XOR.
The way I learned it (I started years before it was added to Duolingo) is that "tai" means there can be another option to what's presented in a question, but vai means only what is being referred to; for example "Haluaisitko kahvia tai teetä?" Would mean that you can choose something else besides coffee or tea, but if "vai" was used, then you would have to choose coffee or tea.
Great vid! I am a polish native speaker and we actually have two words for 'or' as well. And, they work the same as they fo in finnish. Finally something easy 😊
I LOVE how Finnish has logical or and logical xor, it is amazing! >w< Because in for example English when I say "or", people never know which one I mean, so I started saying xor, but now everyone's confused. ;w;
I studied Finnish once and maths/computer logics and was told TAI could be compared to the logical OR and VAI to the logical XOR ( exclusive OR). But I am learnng all the time and your lesson tought med about the statement aspect. Ja sama suomeksi...
Kuuma's song Yliväimöinen has the perfect illustration of the principle, I think.... 'Kruuna *vai* klaava, *tai* mikä vaan' (Heads or tails, or whatever)
Thank you for this, I always have a hard time with these two, especially when I'm doing a duolingo lesson. It's been extremely helpful as always! Kiitos Kat! 😊
@katechats every times you show photo with your dog, it really touches me. In my country when a beloved pet dies, prayer can offer comfort and help us on the path toward healing. I pray that your dog will reward kindly like it (your dog) done to you..
Thanks. I'm sure if I ever really need to speak Finnish, this'll be the key and probably also keep me out of some trouble since I'll know when I'm being offered a choice I can make either way, or only one way like there's implied an actual distinction, dislocation, disjunction, etc. English handles this quite differently.
Me neither and I'm Finnish. I suppose these are the types of things you just pick up as a kid hearing and speaking your language and never think about why it is.
Im finnish and I had to watch this to understand the difference😀... Gl to everyone learning finnish😋 Ja joo. Mie oon iha oikeesti miettiny ett mikä ero niil o😇
aamulla" is used to specify the time when something occurs, typically translated as "in the morning," Example: "Menemme uimaan aamulla." ("We will go swimming in the morning.") while "aamuna" is used to describe the state of being in the morning or to specify "on a morning." Example: "Eräänä kauniina aamuna heräsin aikaisin." ("On a beautiful morning, I woke up early.")
I like that reminder with vain I know the difference in function between tai and vai but end up forgetting which is which lol so I’m sure this will help me next time
Example. En tiedä mitä haluan, jäätelöä tai pirakkaa. Mitä sä haluat? Mansikka vai kirsikka? Otatko jotain vai ei? Teetkö sitä vai? Korkea tai matala , ei oo sillä väliä. Siis onko se väliä , korkea vai matala? Tai when is affirmative sentence. Vai when is question
Kiitoksia. Se ei ole logista, vain vaikeaa. Mutta nyt tiedän. As a half finn, with Swedish as native language this make zero sense. I understand how to use it, but the general use for it is so implicit and explicit at the same time.😅 You always have a premise before or after a question. Which I'm sure finnish has too, but we only have one word for it like English. Curious question. Do you speak Swedish too? I haven't followed you for long so maybe you mentioned it in a previous video. I will surely become a member this month. You have the best lessons, hands down. Thanks again. 😊
Tai is "or" when you say "me or you" . Vai is "or" in questions. Also vai very often used as question mark in the end of the sentence. Take white or black. Ota valkoisen tai mustan. Are you going or what? Menetko vai? Do you want black or pink? Haluatko mustan vai pinkin? Simple
Interesting, that in real conversation you often hear Vai? It means "why you ask about it?" Very often is "vai niin " "o yeah" And of course all the time: vai mitä ?
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Missä:Used to ask about someone or something's location at a static point in time. Minne: Used to ask about someone or something moving towards a place
For a mathematician or electronics engineer this video could be told in a few seconds: "TAI" means "OR", "VAI" means "Exclusive-OR", usually abbreviated "XOR"
Haha yes exactly xD
That is how I got it when learning about tai and vai. X3
I don't think that natural language uses boolean logic in that sense. "Do you want banana or chocolate?" actually means XOR.
kiitos paljon! that's a nice trick about "vai - vain" to remember!
Hope it will help you remember!
Thank you a lot a lot a lot. I can’t really describe how much I appreciate your help and videos. Making these topics small and simple to digest and understand is an amazing skill. Thank you so so so much for your help
Awww such a kind comment. Kiitos ihan hirveesti kommentistasi! 😄
Kiitos! I just found your page. Very useful topics and perfect demonstration.
Another amazing video! I had trouble differentiating between these two words when certain green owl taught them to me 😅 but I can always count on you to make learning Finnish both easy and fun! Kiitos tosi paljon Kat 💚
Hahah such a classic 😅 aww kiitos paljon sullekin for such an awesome comment!
How nice of you to share these with us, millions appreciation!
Thank you so much also for watching and for the comment!
Thank you Kat, you have a gift for making confusing things simple. I've been doing the Duolingo course for over 300 days and this was still confusing.❤
Yay that’s awesome! :)
@@KatChatsFinnish Thanks Katya. Sadly it's not that impressive. The free Duolingo course does not have the ability to ask questions. So I still make frequent mistakes in the simple partative present singular without even dealing yet with the locative , plural and perfective.
I'm a huge fan of Kat's work and this video lesson is an example of why. I was searching for exactly this. Löysin kantarellin metsästä. Työsi muuttaa elämää, ja sitä arvostetaan.
Hahah kiitos tosi paljon! :)
I have to say that your videos always fascinate me. Although I am a native Finnish speaker I love to watch you explain something I could never do. Just want to add that VAI can be used with multiple objects as well. "Otatko omenan, banaanin vai päärynän". So choose one of the list, i.e. XOR.
So in summary tai for answering
And vai for questions
It was one of the first doubt i had i remember while playing Duolingo
In simple terms yes!
The way I learned it (I started years before it was added to Duolingo) is that "tai" means there can be another option to what's presented in a question, but vai means only what is being referred to; for example "Haluaisitko kahvia tai teetä?" Would mean that you can choose something else besides coffee or tea, but if "vai" was used, then you would have to choose coffee or tea.
Great vid! I am a polish native speaker and we actually have two words for 'or' as well. And, they work the same as they fo in finnish. Finally something easy 😊
Yay! Hopefully this will be easy to rememeber then 😄
I LOVE how Finnish has logical or and logical xor, it is amazing! >w<
Because in for example English when I say "or", people never know which one I mean, so I started saying xor, but now everyone's confused. ;w;
I studied Finnish once and maths/computer logics and was told TAI could be compared to the logical OR and VAI to the logical XOR ( exclusive OR). But I am learnng all the time and your lesson tought med about the statement aspect.
Ja sama suomeksi...
Kuuma's song Yliväimöinen has the perfect illustration of the principle, I think....
'Kruuna *vai* klaava, *tai* mikä vaan' (Heads or tails, or whatever)
Thank you for this, I always have a hard time with these two, especially when I'm doing a duolingo lesson. It's been extremely helpful as always! Kiitos Kat! 😊
I’m super glad! Thanks a ton for your comment ☺️
@katechats every times you show photo with your dog, it really touches me. In my country when a beloved pet dies, prayer can offer comfort and help us on the path toward healing. I pray that your dog will reward kindly like it (your dog) done to you..
Awww kiitos paljon!
such a nice content! so clear
Kiitos paljon tämä videosta!
Thanks. I'm sure if I ever really need to speak Finnish, this'll be the key and probably also keep me out of some trouble since I'll know when I'm being offered a choice I can make either way, or only one way like there's implied an actual distinction, dislocation, disjunction, etc. English handles this quite differently.
Student: should I use tai or vai?
Katja: yes
Ms. Kat, Kiitos paljon! Nyt mä ymmarään how to use "tai" ja "vai in a sentence 🙏☺️
Jee! :D
"vain" was the missing link. now I remember that.
Kiitos!
Yay! Mahtavaa!
Kiitos paljon kat
I've never thought there are connection between vai and vain. This explains it!
Me neither and I'm Finnish. I suppose these are the types of things you just pick up as a kid hearing and speaking your language and never think about why it is.
Kiitos! These disjunctive conjunctions closely resemble the Latin Aut/Vel.
Ymmärsin, kiitos!
Im finnish and I had to watch this to understand the difference😀... Gl to everyone learning finnish😋 Ja joo. Mie oon iha oikeesti miettiny ett mikä ero niil o😇
Hi can. You discuss also the difference between aamulla and aamuna? Kiitos
aamulla" is used to specify the time when something occurs, typically translated as "in the morning,"
Example: "Menemme uimaan aamulla." ("We will go swimming in the morning.")
while "aamuna" is used to describe the state of being in the morning or to specify "on a morning."
Example: "Eräänä kauniina aamuna heräsin aikaisin." ("On a beautiful morning, I woke up early.")
I like that reminder with vain I know the difference in function between tai and vai but end up forgetting which is which lol so I’m sure this will help me next time
Yay! I’m glad
Thanks for clearing this one up.. Miká on kysymys? Ollako vai eikö olla? Schrödingers cat chooses both despite the rules. Cats...
Kiitos! 😊
Thanks. Kittos.
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Example.
En tiedä mitä haluan, jäätelöä tai pirakkaa. Mitä sä haluat? Mansikka vai kirsikka? Otatko jotain vai ei?
Teetkö sitä vai?
Korkea tai matala , ei oo sillä väliä.
Siis onko se väliä , korkea vai matala?
Tai when is affirmative sentence.
Vai when is question
Kiitoksia. Se ei ole logista, vain vaikeaa. Mutta nyt tiedän.
As a half finn, with Swedish as native language this make zero sense. I understand how to use it, but the general use for it is so implicit and explicit at the same time.😅
You always have a premise before or after a question. Which I'm sure finnish has too, but we only have one word for it like English.
Curious question. Do you speak Swedish too? I haven't followed you for long so maybe you mentioned it in a previous video.
I will surely become a member this month. You have the best lessons, hands down. Thanks again. 😊
How do I join . Am Nigerian pls I love the way you teach,how do I join you,am learning finish language
olet todella kiva,kiitos paljon
Kiitos :)
Kiitos paljon
Kiitos 🌸🌷🌺
Thanks for the video. I look forward to the next one. I noticed the luggage in the background....I hope your trip goes well. Kiitos
It’s going super well thank you!
Tai is "or" when you say "me or you" .
Vai is "or" in questions.
Also vai very often used as question mark in the end of the sentence.
Take white or black. Ota valkoisen tai mustan.
Are you going or what? Menetko vai?
Do you want black or pink? Haluatko mustan vai pinkin?
Simple
Interesting, that in real conversation you often hear
Vai?
It means "why you ask about it?"
Very often is "vai niin " "o yeah"
And of course all the time: vai mitä ?
Kiitos ❤
How to join .
I really like to watch your channel ❤❤❤
There is a join button under the video near the subscribe button :)
I have join but don't see anything
All the links are in the community tab. You should be able to find it when you go to my TH-cam profile. There are links like videos, community .. etc. if you can’t find it email me kat@katchats.co.uk and I’ll send you the direct link!
Kiitos
maybe you shouldn’t use Puhekieli in examples, especially at such a level of knowledge of Finnish ( VAI/TAI)
tai - да. Микко , хочешь капусты да гороха?
vai - иль. Микко, хочешь капусты иль гороха?
либо :)
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What's the difference between missä and minne?
Missä:Used to ask about someone or something's location at a static point in time.
Minne: Used to ask about someone or something moving towards a place
Missä = where? Where is it? Where am I?
Minne = where to? Where are you going?
Kiiti