I abhor animal cruelty it is the lowest form of cowardice, On the verdict I will say nothing. I am pleased in my youth I donated money to the then Animal Liberation front. If Sir Humphrey Appleby was in the dock he could babble the court into confusion using complicated English. Another great upload Jez T - really appreciative of your time ane effort for us viewers :)
I’m with you. A very skilled presentation: the govt minister enters with her fur coat and no heart. I’d have voted for guilty were l on the jury - but likely l would have
I’m totally with you. We’re l on the jury, l would vote guilty in hopes to persuade enough : three out of the 12 (?) to get at least a hung jury. It’s a tough case but we shall never be an ethical/moral species until we learn better not to slaughter to thrive.
I was listening to the audio while working and suddenly, aha! Giorgino Mio! Nigel Hawthorne is simply one of the best supercilious, condescending villains ever.
@@jezt42 Hard to watch TV while sweeping the barn 🤠. And yes, for me it holds up exceedingly well as audio only. Quality productions from start to finish.
A great episode which underlined how unfit for purpose the 1876 Act was in relation to lab animals. It was replaced by the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act in 1986. The use of lab animals to test cosmetics was banned in the UK in 1997. As one who worked in the biosciences industry from the 1990s, it was fascinating to hear the Home Office lady say that "we don't break down the types of experiments into categories" and "there is no watertight system to prevent the repetition of experiments". Both these things and many more failings of the 1876 Act were addressed by the 1986 Act. Pseudomonas is indeed a bacterium very resistant to chemical disinfection, although mercury isn't the only option! Mind you, I don't think I would have wanted either of the defendants making my case for me - two very unsympathetic characters.
Gosh, I'm so envious that you worked in the biosciences industry. The closest I got to working in science was when I worked as a temp clerk for a multiple institutional review board. I got to read papers on human subjects research as I sorted them out for panels. It was interesting and fun work and the people were of varied backgrounds. All had science degrees.
He appeared a few times in The Avengers in the 1960's. You might want to check out 'Bizarre', the last episode of the original Avengers run as he plays a phoney Indian mystic.
The only experiments that should be tried on animals is for appropriate animal food - dog food on dogs, cat food on cats, bird seed on birds, rabbit food on rabbits - each creature has its own metabolism - stuff that we can eat or use without feeling unwell or getting spots or rashes could do serious harm to animals!
Here we go with the Wacko Vegan Animal Rights Loonies! I use to work as a Security Guard at Barnes-Hines which produces Contact Lens Solution in San Jose, California they had rabbits which were used for tests. I felt like letting them lose!
I'm an animal lover and a vegetarian and I love my cat so perhaps unsurprisingly didn't enjoy this episode very much but as always the acting is very good. And well done Miss Jenkins! Hopefully in the world of Fulchester Vanguard Cosmetics went out of business!!!
I like cats and enjoy eating meat. I don't mind vegetarian meals. My dad's friends were vegetarians who were great at making good satisfying meals out of vegetables. I was disappointed that the jury found in favor of the cosmetics firm. But, I guess for that time period, the defense made a good case...
Please, do you have Crown Court - An Upward Fall (episode, 1977)? It is a very funny episode (unusual for Crown Court) and only part 1 is on YT. Many thanks for sharing these gems!
Some interesting points on animal testing, but it seems to me the whole case was based around a clerical technicality and not the rights and wrongs of the subject. also interesting to note even in the 70s court cases could run into thousands of pounds.
I had that Sara Kestelman in the back of my Uber once. Now, when I say ‘had’ I am not talking in the biblical sense, although mention was made of ‘coffee’ … 🧔🏼♂️
Unfortunately, I can't tell you Kirk: it'd spoil the surprise! There are guilty verdicts out there! To be honest, in most cases, I get the impression that the writers were more trying to raise awareness about the subject matter as opposed to necessarily steering the jury/audience towards a particular verdict.
The verdict was unscripted - two reactions were scripted that assumed a guilty or not guilty verdict and the appropriate script would be deployed when the verdict was given, along with a sentence for a guilty verdict, if appropriate or “You are free to go” for a not guilty verdict - some cases were often libel and required the jury to find for the plaintiff or defendant! As to the story of this case - animals have different metabolism to humans - what works fine on animals might kill humans and vice versa! The best experiments that would work on animals is animal food - dog food tested on dogs, cat food tested on cats and so on - a dog or cat has to eat it, so a dog or cat is the appropriate guinea pig for it! As for medicines, humans make the best possible solution to try them on - but even they can work differently on different people - some people are allergic to penicillin and can’t be given it for anything - even if it’s the only cure for what they have!
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Nigel Hawthorne, Fulton MacKay and the guy off the "Think once, think twice, think bike" ad. Incredible cast !!
Wonderfully objectionable performance by Nigel Hawthorne, who was such a sweet man in real life!
Loved the judge on men wearing cosmetics 😮!!!
Men of good character? Men of standing in the community? Yes, that part was pretty funny.
I abhor animal cruelty it is the lowest form of cowardice, On the verdict I will say nothing. I am pleased in my youth I donated money to the then Animal Liberation front. If Sir Humphrey Appleby was in the dock he could babble the court into confusion using complicated English. Another great upload Jez T - really appreciative of your time ane effort for us viewers :)
What's your thoughts on abortion ???
@@patrickkparrker413: Mind your own business, Trumpleton.
I’m with you. A very skilled presentation: the govt minister enters with her fur coat and no heart. I’d have voted for guilty were l on the jury - but likely l would have
I’m totally with you. We’re l on the jury, l would vote guilty in hopes to persuade enough : three out of the 12 (?) to get at least a hung jury. It’s a tough case but we shall never be an ethical/moral species until we learn better not to slaughter to thrive.
Wow, Nigel Hawthorne as the 'baddie. Loved 'Yes Minister.
I was listening to the audio while working and suddenly, aha! Giorgino Mio! Nigel Hawthorne is simply one of the best supercilious, condescending villains ever.
Interesting that you listen to the audio only: Crown Court works very well as a podcast / radio drama, I think. 🙂👍
@@jezt42 Hard to watch TV while sweeping the barn 🤠. And yes, for me it holds up exceedingly well as audio only. Quality productions from start to finish.
Some very fine performances. Most enjoyable. Thanks for uploading.
A bit of a warning should be attached to this episode for those of us who are extremely upset by the subject matter.
A great episode which underlined how unfit for purpose the 1876 Act was in relation to lab animals. It was replaced by the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act in 1986. The use of lab animals to test cosmetics was banned in the UK in 1997. As one who worked in the biosciences industry from the 1990s, it was fascinating to hear the Home Office lady say that "we don't break down the types of experiments into categories" and "there is no watertight system to prevent the repetition of experiments". Both these things and many more failings of the 1876 Act were addressed by the 1986 Act. Pseudomonas is indeed a bacterium very resistant to chemical disinfection, although mercury isn't the only option! Mind you, I don't think I would have wanted either of the defendants making my case for me - two very unsympathetic characters.
Gosh, I'm so envious that you worked in the biosciences industry. The closest I got to working in science was when I worked as a temp clerk for a multiple institutional review board. I got to read papers on human subjects research as I sorted them out for panels. It was interesting and fun work and the people were of varied backgrounds. All had science degrees.
but of course all cosmetics are unnecissary so testing for them is a waste of animals
I have never seen Fulton Mackay in anything other than Porridge. Nice to see him outside of that role for a change.
He appeared a few times in The Avengers in the 1960's. You might want to check out 'Bizarre', the last episode of the original Avengers run as he plays a phoney Indian mystic.
He's also in the Crown Court story "Hunger Strike", FYI. :)
And - though I have never seen a single episode - isn’t he the lighthouse keeper in Fraggle Rock?
He acted a pure reprobate .
He has appeared in many fine dramas.
Edward "Think once, think twice, think bike!" Judd
Yes Minister!!
WHAT ????......and this justifies the saying that the law is an ass. a very enjoyable, thought provoking episode.
The only experiments that should be tried on animals is for appropriate animal food - dog food on dogs, cat food on cats, bird seed on birds, rabbit food on rabbits - each creature has its own metabolism - stuff that we can eat or use without feeling unwell or getting spots or rashes could do serious harm to animals!
The good Doctor, shortly after changed his job and went to work in the civil service.
great acting by Fulton M...
Here we go with the Wacko Vegan Animal Rights Loonies! I use to work as a Security Guard at Barnes-Hines which produces Contact Lens Solution in San Jose, California they had rabbits which were used for tests. I felt like letting them lose!
Fun fact: my man servant prepared this episode for me.
49:31 A bit ahead of their time - they predicted JD Vance.
Funny to see some of today’s actors so young.......
brings up great moral questions. Im with the animal protection and Fulton Ms role but every man to his own, and good discussion here...
The legal principle of "working practice" surely made this verdict the only one possible?
I'm an animal lover and a vegetarian and I love my cat so perhaps unsurprisingly didn't enjoy this episode very much but as always the acting is very good. And well done Miss Jenkins! Hopefully in the world of Fulchester Vanguard Cosmetics went out of business!!!
Left wing propaganda .
I like cats and enjoy eating meat. I don't mind vegetarian meals. My dad's friends were vegetarians who were great at making good satisfying meals out of vegetables. I was disappointed that the jury found in favor of the cosmetics firm. But, I guess for that time period, the defense made a good case...
Joan Heath plays Dr Wetherby and played May Hardman, the first character to die in Coronation Street, 2nd or 3rd episode I think!
Dr. Van---- Madness of King George. That was driving me mad.
Evil jury.
The blonde girl on the jury and I (also a juror) found a ‘special’ kind of interest off-camera so to speak. 🤵♂️❤️
Please, do you have Crown Court - An Upward Fall (episode, 1977)? It is a very funny episode (unusual for Crown Court) and only part 1 is on YT. Many thanks for sharing these gems!
All 3 parts, starting with th-cam.com/video/2ncECSpflw4/w-d-xo.html
@@lloydpenfold486 Many thanks to you and to Jayston Site! 💗
Some interesting points on animal testing, but it seems to me the whole case was based around a clerical technicality and not the rights and wrongs of the subject. also interesting to note even in the 70s court cases could run into thousands of pounds.
I had that Sara Kestelman in the back of my Uber once. Now, when I say ‘had’ I am not talking in the biblical sense, although mention was made of ‘coffee’ … 🧔🏼♂️
Thought provoking episode and not a verdict I could agree with
MPLA IS ONE OF THE FACTIONS IN ANGOLA IN THE 70S 🤣
Love the prosecutor
Reminds me of Dr. Fauci, one of the most villainous characters of my lifetime…
Really!
.not had a guilty verdict for 8 episodes jez.must be the way I'm watching them.
Unfortunately, I can't tell you Kirk: it'd spoil the surprise! There are guilty verdicts out there! To be honest, in most cases, I get the impression that the writers were more trying to raise awareness about the subject matter as opposed to necessarily steering the jury/audience towards a particular verdict.
The verdict was unscripted - two reactions were scripted that assumed a guilty or not guilty verdict and the appropriate script would be deployed when the verdict was given, along with a sentence for a guilty verdict, if appropriate or “You are free to go” for a not guilty verdict - some cases were often libel and required the jury to find for the plaintiff or defendant!
As to the story of this case - animals have different metabolism to humans - what works fine on animals might kill humans and vice versa!
The best experiments that would work on animals is animal food - dog food tested on dogs, cat food tested on cats and so on - a dog or cat has to eat it, so a dog or cat is the appropriate guinea pig for it!
As for medicines, humans make the best possible solution to try them on - but even they can work differently on different people - some people are allergic to penicillin and can’t be given it for anything - even if it’s the only cure for what they have!
There's a shock another not guilty.
bad verdict
What propaganda .