🚨 DISCLAIMER: I played with the game’s “modern” control scheme which is broken. I am told if you tough it out with the original controls it is possible to traverse obstacles. But yeah, blame me for using the updated controls like it’s my fault they were added to the release.
The issue people have is that you say the remaster sucks. You could have been more nuanced. The modern control scheme does indeed not work optimally, however, several people have played through the game and managed to make it work. Looking at the clips you chose to put in the review, you are willingly ignoring the information the game is giving you. At the training course in Lara's Home, the first jump is a standing jump, as Lara says, but you choose to make a running jump, which does lead to not being able to complete the next jump without stopping. The walk button is your friend in this game, cause it makes Lara not fall off edges, and you can look where and how far a jump will be. Making it easier for you to decide to go for a standing, running or running+grab jump. The remaster is clearly aimed at people that played the game in their youth, and most of these remember the tank controls and (maybe with some frustration) accept that. I'm a Tomb Raider fan (yes, even Angel of Darkness), and I think the remaster is about a 7.5/10. The modern control scheme needs work, there are several texture issues, some objects aren't always solid when they should be, and I've come across several other (small) bugs. But we are getting 3 games (with "rare" expansions) and a nice graphical update for 30$, in today's Gaming market, I think that's fair value.
They’re not broken AT ALL. There are several videos of people who explain how the controls work but instead of you finding a solution for yourself you went straight to complaining and BASHING
@@AngelBatistaa The modern controls need a patch. You will not get an argument from me about that. But that is a problem only if it was the only option to play the game - and it isn't. In fact, there is a viable, perfectly functioning alternative - which is specifically designed with the grid system and precision jumping in mind. And those controls are perfect for this type of gameplay - and not difficult to learn at all if you just listen to the instructions from the tutorial areas. But the guy in the video is just flailing around and ignoring everything Lara is saying. So, you can tell how much effort the guy put into actually trying out the game. It would be similar to me trying to play Civilization or chess... flailing about for 10-15 minutes while ignoring all the tutorial messages and then saying those games suck. You should at least familiarize yourself with the gameplay mechanics before you make a judgment on a game.
The moment you title your video "tHe ReMaStEr SuCkS" you lost credibility. I'm a gen z and I love this 100x more than the modern Tomb Raiders, and I swap between both control schemes. Neither one is broken. Maybe you're just trash at gaming in general?
@@AngelBatistaaYeah, and the problem is the games weren't designed with 360° movement that modern games afford. See, one method of getting the first secret in The Caves level requires you to backflip onto the slope and then jump towards the ledge to grab it. The modern controls don't let you backflip normally because of how the 360° movement works. To backflip with modern controls, you need weapons drawn, which neuters any action save for shooting. There's a reason many modern games have auto grab mechanics and auto climb mechanics, and that's in part because modern control schemes don't offer the precision tank controls do.
New Players that haven't played the classic Tomb Raider games before, Vaughn and many others who share his opinion that the control scheme is broken and unusable are incorrect and here's why: Vaughn has an example in video 3:05 of why the controls are "broken". But the reality is that he is actually demonstrating he doesn't know that Lara has a standing jump that is shorter than her running jump. He fails this jump over and over again, because he kept attempting a running jump instead of just walking to the edge of the platform and doing the shorter standing jump. The modern control scheme may be awkward and their implementation not as fluid as they should have been, but they *still successfully follow the same jumping rules as the classic control scheme.* Had Vaughn _paid attention_ during the Lara's home tutorial level, he'd know this. But he didn't. Instead he "reviewed" a game he played less than an hour of and condemned the whole thing as broken without even trying to get used to the readily offered classic control scheme. Further proof of his lack of understanding the game, he thought the 180 spin move was a dodge move.
I don't usually comment on TH-cam videos but this remaster was never designed to be a 'modern game for the modern day gamer', it's a remaster of the original classic Tomb Raider game that many of us grew up on. If that's not your cup of tea, that's fine, and it just means this isn't the game for you. It doesn't make it a "bad" game, nor should be referred to as 'Tomb Raider Remastered Sucks'. This remasters actually exceeds the fanbase expections in terms of gameplay, graphics and performance. I don't think it's fair for you to say that it 'tarnishes the nostalgic adventure of Lara Croft' when you admit that you didn't grow up playing the original games, apart from TR2 which you rented and admit you didn't get far on.
The issue is that very few games measure up to how we remember them. Movies are much more accessible. But many gamers don’t go back and play an old title until it’s reissued on modern hardware. There have been games I played well after their time and found them to be perfectly suitable. But most, especially early 3D titles suffer. Tomb Raider Anniversary is a far more accessible outing for players who need today’s control schemes. I anticipated something closer to that with the modern control scheme option. I realize people played this on a PS without analog sticks and were fine with it, but for me it was like playing with limbs missing now that I require more control.
@@VaughnJogVlog Anniversary is a REMAKE. These are REMASTERS of 1, 2 and 3 and its expansions. It is all fans wanted from a remaster. They even used the original code of the first 5 games. Modern controls are totally fine, you can do ANYTHING you do with tank controls. But it is still classic Tomb Raider.
I never wanted a modern remake of TR2. For years I dreamt of the exact same game with updated visuals. And I got it. For 26 quid! I would have paid a lot more.
Same here, I just wanted the old game but updated to work on modern computers and good controller support. I'm hoping they do the same thing for the 4th and 5th games as well. Maybe even the 6th if they can fix the controls.
This is a video game folks. No handholding. No waypoints. No NPC giving you hints after a minute of not figuring it out. Just great puzzles and gameplay that allows you to explore and figure it out for yourself.
As much as I apprentice challenge, there are modern conventions that make returning to a game manageable. If you have a lot on your plate and can't recall what to do next when you return to a game a week later, it's good to have some kind of guidance. The old approach worked when a player didn't have access to hundreds of games vying for his attention.
Awww poor little man-baby, he needs someone there to hold his hand and explain how to solve basic puzzles! Then again, if someone like you didn't listen to Lara explain how to do standing jumps forward (as opposed to overshooting your mark with running jumps) then I guess even being coddled wouldn't help you any. 😏 @@VaughnJogVlog
I could never get past the first level and I was 10 in 1998. I think I just used the cheats too much and never forced myself to actually beat the levels. I don't know why I never got around to actually doing it. It's crazy. I feel like I never learned to just "save the game" before trying things lol. I don't think I even knew you could save manually.
Possibly the worst review of a game i seen on youtube. Dude never played originals and has audacity to shit on what most of us 90's kid wanted to see/play. Get good kiddo
@@UnchainedEruption its a remaster of the original game, not a remake, its in the title! its aimed at those with nostalgia of the original, so no it isnt a good review... he never took the time to learn the original controls for it... you know the controls from the time period... if you review something you supposed to review it having tried its full options for controls, otherwise you dont give the game a fair chance. You should also keep in mind the intended audience, the people who are most likely intend to buy the game. and for that reason its an uninformed opinion is all he gave. he gave the game half a chance.
@@UnchainedEruption I played both the older and newer Tomb Raider games simultaneously in my childhood and even back then I vastly preferred the PS1 entries to the newer games. It's not just about nostalgia, these are legitimate masterpieces and the controls are literally the best in any videogame in my opinion.
This is not for "modern audiences" or some Uncharted knock-off like the bland remakes with that whimpering wet blanket protag. These games require you to master the classic controls and are more about exploration along with atmosphere. This is the real Tomb Raider experience with real Lara Croft that became so iconic :-)
@@emptyblank099a that's the point of the remaster! Keeps the magic of the original while updating it to todays resolution. All the original fans are IN LOVE with these remasters, there's people who beat these games not healing once or saving once, so its not difficult if you actually try. Yes it takes some time to get used to the controls but once you learn them the games are amazing!
If you actually played the modern TR games instead of getting on the bandwagon, you'd know they are just as much about exploration and the atmosphere is far better. Just because Lara has actual character and the games are really cinematic doesn't mean they don't still have that DNA of exploration and puzzle-solving.
@@UnchainedEruption sorry but they dont... the newer tomb raiders are more story driven, with clear indicators of what to press etc... not bad games, just different the originals are more about the puzzle game play, the f around and find out approach, hence no save anytime and no autosave option back in the day. And little in the tutorial other than the very basic controls, part of the puzzle was learning the controls.. real consequences for your choices, pressing the wrong button could mean a death. traps can instant kill you.... more risk = more reward....the game loop was explore, die, start level again, explore a little bit more, die again... repeat x number of times, find a miss-able save crystal, save, repeat until end of level, save, repeat the experience of exploration is very different, the reward for exploring just a little more of the level was far more rewarding due to alot more of your time being at risk. And the atmosphere due to the risk is also more intensive. i think the clunky and janky controls also helped with the risk reward and intensive atmosphere in the older games aswell
Calling this a skill issue just isn't right. It's like saying because I don't like dark souls games but love other open world exploration games like Fenyx Rising I can't enjoy those games because I haven't played dark souls. It's the same with any game. Don't call it a skill issue just because someone doesn't enjoy it. Everyone has their preferences.
I also play on story difficulty and normal on most Ubisoft games because I enjoy the story and not being one banged by a boss. And I also love games to be smooth. Tomb raider is good but the movement is like a chess board.
It is tho. Not being able to figure out the jumps is a skill issue. The rest is subjective but failing to understand the puzzle is a skill issue,one that might have been averted with a bit more persistence.@@PeteParsonsCarCollection
I don't normally comment stuff like this and frankly I don't like to, cause I don't want to come off as rude, but I gotta be honest, this is the worst review I think I've ever heard. It's the definition of "I don't like it, therefore it's bad.". You can't just say the game is bad because it's not good for modern gamers or because it requires a lot of skill to beat. Also, have you even heard anyone's opinions on this collection? It most ABSOLUTELY lived up to our expectations, if not surpassed it, all we were expecting was just texture and lighting changes, but this remaster not only enhanced the game's graphics excellently, it managed to keep the nostalgic vibes of the original classic games, even keeping the original music and audio, not to mention they added some great smaller features such as subtitles, boss enemy health bars, and highlighting interactable objects, such small features yet they do so much to improve the gameplay experience. Also, you outright admitted that you have never played the original tomb raider games before, who are you to speak for everyone else by saying that this game "tarnishes the nostalgic adventure of Lara croft." when you yourself have no nostalgia associated with this game to look back on? Look, I'm not trying to be b*tch, please don't take this comment the wrong way, if you don't like these remasters then that's completely fine, you are entitled to your own opinion and I get that this remaster (and game) is not everyone's cup of tea, but you can't just say the game is bad simply because you don't like it.
@@emicastudios8500 100% support. Just a little big addition: Lara Croft is back, just exactly as we remember her from classic FMV and numerous art from 90s. The real Lara Croft is back. That is what made her a Legend.
@@VaughnJogVlog its always been a part of the challenge you dumbo. You also fundamentally screwed yourself using modern controls. Your take is wild and look like a crybaby bad gamer like a kid who screams at fortnight because he isnt good at controls yet.
This remaster is a love letter to the fans who enjoyed these games back in the 90s. Many of us older millennials and gen Xers. These were known to be notoriously difficult and unforgiving. The diffcult puzzle systems and tank controls, great characters and story is what added to the charm of these games. This trilogy influenced what semi and somewhat open world games are today. I do appreciate these games are not for everyone, just like the newer spoon feeding tomb raider games are not for me. Maybe give these games another chance or not. Its your choice.
As much as I wanted to play these, I don’t think I can get accustomed to the adjustments. Maybe I’ll re-up on sale. I would love to have been able to check these off my list.
@@VaughnJogVlog I know people are shitting on you here, but I'd encourage you to... keep an open mind! Try to take each failure as a learning test. The game is indeed built on a grid, so Lara will always jump the same distance from each type of movement. Because of how exact and consistent her movements are, it's often just about understanding and *reading* the world, and seeing it like a playground to climb, run, jump, and roll around! Hell, maybe consider streaming it so people can give advice! There is a lot of beauty and intelligence in these games, and if you can even just scratch TR1 off, I think you'll at least understand people's perspectives better, and why they find aspects of these games so dearly missed!
@@animegamergeek1427 views don’t matter on this awful take the controls don’t suck YOU suck, the games been out for years and is a platinum hit. If they sucked they wouldn’t be the highest selling games of all time. Says a lot about you.
"It's something you're going to call 'skill issue'" - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but let's see what you have to say. "Tomb Raider reboot trilogy that kicked off in 2013, sort of the closest thing to Uncharted..." - I'll give you props for identifying that the reboot trilogy is much closer to uncharted than it is to the original games. I played through the survivor trilogy recently, and while they are enjoyable games that have a good sense of exploration, their platforming is incredibly "floaty" and imprecise compared to the original games. "Short-lived and much derided tank controls" - Tank controls have some very distinct advantages over modern camera-relative controls. The most obvious is that you don't really have to care about the exact positioning of the camera when performing complex actions. Concrete example: Say you're lining up a long jump from a 1 block platform that is against a wall. You line up the jump, walking, pivoting, and possibly using the look button. Then you tap back to get a runup, putting you against the wall and probably swinging the camera out in front of Lara or up close to her head. However, the controls are completely independent of the camera so you simply do a running forward jump as usual and land exactly where you lined Lara up to go. Tank controls also make it possible to control Lara during cinematic moments (where the camera zooms to something else, or assumes a static position). A specific example would be the boulder/spike wall sequence in the first level of TR2. The camera zooms to the boulders as the dramatic music starts, it then then positions itself in a static position when you fall to the pit with the approaching spike walls. The first time (or few times) you do this sequence, you're probably going to die or scrape through it clumsily. Coming back to that sequence with a good grasp of the controls you can use the precise movements to pick up both the ammo and the jade secret without taking any damage (to be specific: left flip, standing forward jump, right shimmy, and a precise stop) "Many were playing on consoles that didn't have dual analog sticks, or even one" - I will give you props for identifying that the games were released on platforms that didn't yet have standard analog control inputs. Many important parts of Lara's move set in the traditional control scheme are tied to tapping a directional button (back for a runup, jump plus a direction for a standing jump/flip). Many people (including myself) find these moves much easier to pull off using the D-pad rather than the analog sticks, since that's that they were designed for. "Entirely unable to land the first jump in TR2" - You then proceed to show multiple attempts at doing a running jump instead of a standing jump and completely overshooting the platform. Even with modern controls, all you need to do is walk to the edge, line up the jump, and then press forward and jump together. "Requires archaic timing of jumps that you simply will not get used to" - Except there are many, many people that have gotten used to this system and enjoy it because of it's precision and consistency. All of Lara's moves position her exactly in the game's grid system, once you understand how they work, moving her is a joy. A lot of the games' secrets require this understanding of Lara's moves and often use several highly specific moves in sequence (this colosseum secret in the first game is my favorite example to point people to: th-cam.com/video/H7ohzuCJnzA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nIabbd3Ev_iypkGe&t=172 ) "Your dodge is the opposite of every dodge you've seen for the past 20 years with a baked in 180 degree turn." - That's because it's not a dodge, it's a roll, and the 180 degree turn feature is designed mainly for movement/platforming (as a quick turn when running from a boulder, turning around while falling off a ledge to grab it, setting up for a running jump in the opposite direction). In combat, the roll is meant to be used with jumps to keep enemies in front of Lara so she can keep blasting them. The remaster added the jumping roll to TR1 which makes makes many combat scenarios easier. "Fails to take into account modern gaming conventions" - That these games pre-date and were not designed for. Just because something is unfamiliar does not make it inherently worse. Modern games are much more polished and approachable, but they also do quite a bit of handholding and water down their base mechanics in an effort to appeal to the widest audience possible. The OG Tomb Raider games have a learning curve, both Croft Manor and the Peru levels of the first game do a great job of teaching you how the controls work (Croft Manor is explicit, Peru has many jumps that are over water/not all that high. Given the evidence you presented throughout your video, I would call this a skill issue. The most glaring evidence is your lack of understanding about the difference between a standing and running jump that is explained in the Croft Manor tutorial by Lara herself very explicitly. Also, the content warning you mention at the end wasn't about Lara's appearance, but the depictions/stereotypes of certain ethnicities. I don't personally see the need for the warning in the game, but if you're going to mention that controversy at least get the content/context right.
I completely agree with you. I played these game on release with no analog sticks, I found the analog sticks so weird when they where released. It was so easy for me to straight back to d-pad for these games and funny part is before this remaster was announced, I still played TR occasionally. "Requires archaic timing of jumps that you simply will not get used to" It's actually quite easy, I bet he went straight to "Modern controls" aka "TR Legend/Anni/Underworld controls" Even though I use Tank, I gave Modern a try during Lara's Home and the first level before I went back to Tank. Yeah, its definitely a skill issue. And the content warning was weird and unnecessary. Lara's appearance 😂 she looks fine to me. Similar to TR, some people tried that one with a Japanese game(can't remember the name) calling the female character unrealistic and no women looks like that. Just for the Devs to show the model for said character.
@@VaughnJogVlog Dude, it's absolutely a skill issue. I tanned all three games with modern controls and it was the best thing to ever happen to all three games. One of the best remasters I've played and I've been a die hard since the OG Tomb Raider.
Honestly... if you can't get used to the controls or be bothered to learn them properly... totally fine. But the audacity to upload a full blown review of a game which you not even gave an hour of your time? Imagine a big gaming magazine basing their review on about 50 minutes of gameplay.
Tank controls are the way to go. Lara's movement is entirely grid based. That first jump you kept failing is a jump that requires her to stand still and jump forward.
The first minute when stating that “I never played the originals” told us everything that we needed to know. Also the comment about the disclaimer is completely immature and telling about the person filming the video 🥶.
I'm currently watching a youtuber called "The Hound". He has never played the original, and when he started off, it was... rough. But he played through the whole first game with modern controls, and read the comments and learned. He's gotten shockingly good, and fast. He really liked TR1, and is currently at Diving Area in TR2!
If you need nostalgia in order for it to still be enjoyable, that's the definition of aging badly. You only know it aged well when people who never played it when it came out can try it for the first time today and still appreciate it the same way as people did in the 90s.
I've never played the originals and I still love the remaster. I'm sure I would have hated the PS1 versions for how punishing they are, but it's a non issue with unlimited saves and the new intetact/pickup icon to point you in the right direction.
You serious...a refund? No wonder you only had 1k subs. They best part of this is that you can play with the original look. Not to mention they have damn achievements. What a dream come true. Your channel.. 0 out of 10.
The "original" look in remasters is rarely the actual original look. They always make it look worse than it originally was so that the remaster seems more drastically better by comparison.
This game is a love letter for gamers of the 90s. Its nice to see my demographic being appreciated with these kind of games being made official. This game was designed from the ground up using the grid system. Its controls are completely consistent if you use the original controls and learn the inputs necessary to complete the obstacles presented in the game. Sure there might be trial and error but by the time you conquer the temple of xian you feel like you have accomplished something. Tldr: I beat TR2 when I was 9 back in 1999
I hope to some day be able to say I completed these titles, but I’m afraid I can’t make those adjustments with every modern game having a very similar control scheme to each other.
I never even made it far enough for a lack of modern guidance to come up. God bless waypoints, objective tracking, radio buddies, and health regeneration.
What is so difficult about tank controls for modern gamers? I've never understood how people struggle with them. We were dealing with them just fine back in the day whilst also wrapping our heads round the jump from 2D to 3D.
I played legacy sticks inverted on FPS games for 19 years. I had to switch last generation because too many first person games didn’t support legacy sticks. In the ‘90s I could handle tank controls in RE games. It was manageable because it wasn’t that uncommon. But I’m so entrenched in today’s control schemes that I can’t make those adjustments. Most of today’s titles have nearly identical play and that makes them easy to pick up. I can’t undo that for one game at this point in my life.
@@VaughnJogVlog Maybe you can't undo that for one game, but a 4/10? Just because you _specifically_ refuse to try to get used to tank controls again? Don't you think that score is just a little bit unfair? You're completely allowed to refund a game you don't think you'll be able to enjoy playing. But to claim the game sucks and is unplayable and thus a 4/10 when you've barely played an hour of it seems like a bit of an overreaction to me. Did it not occur to you that maybe you shouldn't make a review at all if you can't play at least the majority of it?
So you say that an objectively great remaster of 3 classic games sucks because they didn't change the "archaic" controls to suit modern game standards. You have to understand that these games do not work AT ALL without these particular controls. The levels are all built on a grid system and traversing them requires these controls in order to have any form of consistency and precision. Understanding how the controls work but not liking them is perfectly normal and that's just an opinion. Failing to understand something and saying that it sucks just because you don't get it is just wrong. And you clearly seem to not understand from the TR2 clip in this video.
Couldn't the case be made that the original games were not that good and that over the years the formula has been improved? I can point to a game like Halo: CE where the gameplay is strong out the gate and still seen in today's games.
@@VaughnJogVlog You're talking about a classic series that inspired pretty much every action/adventure game since and still has a huge following 25+ years later. So yes, the originals were always good and from the way this remaster is received they seem to also be timeless. The fact that the formula has been improved over the years is not the point in that case. It's a faithful remaster. Not a new take on these games. And part of what made these games great are these particular controls. This is a great remaster of 3 great games and you shouldn't scare people away from experiencing them just because you don't understand how they work. People had no problem understanding and getting used to how they work for 2 decades.
@@VaughnJogVlog if they were not that good then how is it that I absolutely adore playing this right now? Might be nostalgia as well, but that gameplay of exploring, looking around a room, figuring out what moves are necessary to get you somewhere is simply hooking me in. I love how methodical you have to move because of these kind of controls.
@@VaughnJogVlog If they weren't that good, the remaster probably would not have been requested, let alone made. Did you know there was a Tomb Raider level creator? Since it's release in 2000, people have made around FOUR THOUSAND levels and fan-games using this engine. I won't argue it doesn't take time to get used to with Lara's movement, but what people love about it is how absolutely accurate it is. Once you understand how to move and jump, you can Mirror's Edge through levels with precision, canceling animations, skipping puzzles, and completing some levels in a minute instead of an hour with smart jumps. It doesn't hold your hand, but successes are entirely because YOU figured out the puzzle and situation presented to you. There's very little like it, and that's why this release was a dream come true for many fans.
@@VaughnJogVlog I just finished Tomb Raider 1 for the first time just this past month. The game still holds up and was an outright amazing experience. I never played a game with tank controls, but I took the time to learn them for this and it was beyond worth it. The game is very good and still holds up today.
May I offer a suggestion? Consider switching to tank controls and revisit the Croft Manor in Tomb Raider 2, following the tutorial closely. It's an excellent tutorial when approached with tank controls, so I'd advise against using modern controls for this. When I first played these games in 2015, I didn't enjoy them initially. However, after playing through Croft Manor in TR2, everything clicked for me, and I began to appreciate why these games are considered classics. These games are actually really fun. The challenge lies in understanding the environment and mastering the jumps. It all comes down to getting a handle on the controls but once you do its great.
I really would like to complete these titles someday. Maybe if there’s a nice sale I’ll re-up but even then I don’t think I can play a game the way it was meant to be tackled in 1996.
@@VaughnJogVlog But the way they were played in 1996 is still good even in today's standards in my opinion. I played both the older and newer entries in the series simultaneously and never had an issue after learning the controls. The tank controls from old Tomb Raider are literally the best and most precise controls implemented in any videogame in my opinion.
Another example of a bunch of gamers clearly not wanting games to be preserved, despite the calls for "remasters" and not remakes which has become more synonymous as re-imagining which means a completely different game entirely. Which is ironic as Tomb Raider Legends are just that and they were pretty mediocre for it. Tank controls are not a product of a by gone era, it is a intentional design choice that makes games like these possible with the the more slow pace methodical platforming and puzzle solving akin to the original Prince of Persia. I'm glad this remaster celebrates those times instead of just nuking it from orbit like the aforementioned Legends.
Legends is far superior because of that. You want games to be preserved? Then let them be in their actual original state, without remastering it. Remastering is by definition changing it with intention to replace, because the mechanics are identical. The point of a remake is to actually improve the game. To be different enough to actually justify its existence. That way it doesn't compete with the original.
I think the problem is that modern games watered down platforming so much that it takes basically no skill to be able to climb across the level. Even the Legend trilogy is watered down so much when it comes to platforming. In the classic games it took a lot of skill to be able to quickly jump across the landscape.
"The game works just as it originally did in the 90s. No new bugs, no new problems, provided you steer clear from the modern control scheme. The mechanics of movement did not translate well if at all. I'm not a fan of tank controls, so for me it is very upsetting that the modern scheme is as seemingly bugged as it is." That is what you should have said. Instead, you made it sound like the entire game was broken. All because you insisted on not trying to at least get used to the tank controls to make sure they aren't busted too. To clear up if they are or aren't, the tank controls work identically to before. You just have to know how to use them. Its fine to not like them based on preference. After all, many people prefer to eat rice with a spoon instead of chopsticks. But saying the whole meal sucks because your spoon has holes in it, when you have perfectly good chopsticks _right next to the spoon you're upset about_ is basically what your review is saying about Tomb Raider Remastered. Don't become like many modern occupation game reviewers. If you're going to review a game, you need to play it _completely_ . If you can't do that. You shouldn't review that game.
It’s easy to chime in when other have discovered that the modern controls don’t work. But I seem to be catching arrows for showing that the modern controls don’t work.
@@VaughnJogVlog I think you're still missing my point. You condemned the _entire_ game based on the modern scheme not working the way you want it to work. Your stance that the modern controls need to be better and more accessible is _valid._ However, the game offers a second control scheme that works just fine and you choosing to ignore it so you can say the game sucks and isn't playable is why so many are upset with you.
@@VaughnJogVlog Furthermore, I'm sure you've been told by now. But in the example you showed us of you missing that jump in TR2's intro is because you kept doing a running jump over and over instead of a standing jump, which would have landed you perfectly. You just had to walk to the edge, then jump _and then push forward._ The distance of a standing jump isn't as far as a running jump.
The game is meant to be played with tank controls and a D-pad. I can traverse every level like a flawless acrobat using those controls. These games were from a time when gamers didn't need their hand held while doing the slightest task. Figuring out what to do and how to do it is a major part of the game.
I would have rather there been a disclaimer at the start that the game is intended to be played this way than that the publisher finds the game offensive.
Ive never had so much fun in a game recently. Its just so peaceful and addictive getting through the puzzles and platforming. Makes me feel like a kid again too because the last time i played I was probably 8 years old
tank controls work well for this type of game. the movement is extremely consistent and the world is made out of a grid system to work with the controls. its literally the perfect system for this type of game. also you saying "you will not get used to the controls" is just ridiculous. have you seen speedrunners take these games on? talking out of your arse mate. its clear you are just not very good dude and thats not a knock on you, im not having a go but you absolutely cannot say these games suck, its you that sucks at them. these three games absolutely still hold up, especially seeing as each of these games are 10 quid each plus all the DLCs. seriously bad take on this dude.
For 90's kids like me these was some of the best games ever made at that time. Beating these games was a challenge and patience was a required skill for TR, lol. I played my first TR game in 98 on PC using a keyboard, no controller, and it was absolutely possible. Can't wait to replay these titles with the luxury of modern consoles 😊
@@moonbrewmusic same, I started with Tomb Raider 2 which a friend passed on to me at the time, then I bought a copy of it for myself and from there I recovered all the others, all finished on PC and with the keyboard not the controller and if I had a problem moving forward in some points well... there were always the good old guides in video game magazines to solve the situation for me, those were the good times
This is more for us, who played it in 90s and 2000s. I love it, those games are original Dark Souls game, you play one game for long, remember every level, die so many times you get use to it....and love it when you win and get all pickups and secrets. Secrets are priority. It is fun, to actually focus on something not just push buttons and follow the arrow till the game is over. But if you do not like it, it is ok, it is not for everyone. There are many other games that you will like. It is good that we all have options. Worst is to have all the same type of games..that is boring
Maybe it's just not for you? Why do you need to be so. Arrogant about it? "You wont get used to it, because I didn't" Just sounds a lot like cope to me. The selling point of the game was that it's the original with better graphics. You got that, you didn't like it fine. But calling it Objectively terrible because of that? Now that's unreasonable.
Just gonna point out that a lot of your criticisms are skill based, and you have misconceptions on how the controls work 3:36 archaic jump timing? what timing? You simply hold forward and jump until Lara jumps. If you're trying to time the jump at the edge, then that's where you can improve.
This reminds me of the video game journalist who couldn’t get past the Cuphead tutorial. 48 minutes of play does not warrant an opinion let alone a video review.
The only thing here that sucks is your review! It is a very specific title aimed at a very specific demographic. A lot of people might not like it, but I have yet to see a release that has matched the expectations of its fan base more closely than this launch. It is remarkably good. It is a perfect example of a remaster done right. That being said, it is also a mystery that it was ever developed and released. Because it is certainly not for everyone. But a company hiring modders of a beloved franchise and then giving them free reign to recreate a classic in a modern look, and then those developers sticking so closely to the source material is simply astonishing. I didn't think it was possible. Legit the best release thus far!
@@VaughnJogVlog Why bother replying if it is only going to be with snark? I applaud you for actually interacting with people in the comments, but I would encourage you to be more open for critique. It might be a good idea to do a bit more research on the titles you review, and maybe focus a bit more about who the game is for. This release sits at "very positive" on Steam, 75 points on Meta for critics and 79 from players. That is quite surprising for a release of an old classic. If you fuck up a remaster, you risk pissing off all the fans of the original.
@@VaughnJogVlog Why are you even bother responding, if all you are going to respond with is bile? Yeah, sure... I'd admit that my initial comment was a bit hyperbolic, but so was your review. You completely ignore what the game aims to achieve, while at the same time claiming that it sucks. If you want to succeed as a reviewer, you need to research the products you are reviewing more thoroughly. The general population on both Steam and Metacritic seems to disagree quite strongly with you, so does the majority of professional critics. Now, are they all wrong and you are right, or might it be because you are making judgements on the game based on the wrong qualifications. Stating in a review that this might not be intended for you if you align with current video game conventions is completely fair. The classic Tomb Raider games are definately not for everyone, and I do not hold that against you. But to say that it sucks is quite hard. Thing is, you have a lot going for you here. Your presentation, your editing, your narration and your voice are all of good quality. Being able to establish a career on TH-cam covering games is hard, as there are thousands upon thousands of others trying to do the same. I think you might have a chance, but if you want to make it, you need to avoid mistakes like this. Based on this review, I am guessing that you are not that old yet. Take some time and learn about video game history. Play classic games, get to know the history behind how games have developed over the years. I mean this genuinely, I hope you succeed. I would love to be able to pull it off myself, but I do not have the presentational skills, nor the ability to structure my arguments well enough to be able to pull it off. I am able to somewhat recognize what it takes to be a successful reviewer though, and if you address this criticism, you might actually have a shot. And I also applaud you for responding to comments. It shows you care, even though you seem to be a bit too quick to gravitate towards insults and snark. It is not a good idea to insult your audience. Best of luck!
I think aside from not including the the side jump and backflip in the modern controll scheme those games are perfect for what they should be. As someone who is 6 years younger that the first game, those remastereds simply are a oportunity to travel back in time and seeing how gaming was back then, just with polished graphics and performence so its not a technologically horrible experience. And I appreciate those remasters for doing exactly that, showing me what gaming was back then.
With a title like that this was bound to be a misguided review, and it is. Yes the modern controls do suck, they definitely need some work but in the meantime there are tricks to work around it. It's a remaster not a remake, it's not made for modern conventions. Expecting something more is squarely on you. I may be nostalgic for the OG Lara but i can also see that modern Lara is a far cry from what she was, the focus shifted massively and i hate the modern games for it. The dodge is not meant to be a conventional dodge but a quick turn as for the 'archaic jumps you never get used to', that's purely a skill issue. It's a puzzle first and foremost, not a run n gun mountain adventure. And tf is up with that title fr. Git gud boomer.
A review basically stating you haven’t taken the time to learn the controls and patience to learn them properly. It’s a lack of skill. This isn’t a review it’s a plea for help to learn how to play the game
Its sad to see that gaming has held the hand of gamers far too much to the point that they cant even learn new or old controller schemes and yea it is a skill issue as others have pointed out
Because quite clearly it is! You couldn't even do a basic standing jump for crying out loud, even when Lara was telling you how to do it!@@VaughnJogVlog
@@VaughnJogVlog Hello I'm younger than you and I just want to say. You have a skill issue, it's not the game that is the problem. You just lack the brain to understand older game controls.
Tell me you never played the original games without telling me you never played the original games. This REMASTER is revamping graphics ONLY. The original tank controls are still required to play the game successfully. And I, as a bona fide 90’s kid, is HERE FOR IT. If you struggle with the tank controls, that’s a YOU problem, not a game problem. Plenty of us finished these games without modern control settings back in 90’s on our PS1’s or PC’s.
@@VaughnJogVlogthat’s not the badge of honor you think it is. Anyone who is actually passionate about Lara Croft played the original games. Tomb Raider revolutionized modern gaming and pissing on the originals says more about you being a lazy gamer. If you can’t beat the original games then just admit that YOU suck at 3D platforming.
This is what happens when there's no hand-holding, in fact, this is what I liked about old games. Nowadays, games just feel like copy&paste, designed for people that have to be babysitted, with minimap so you don't get lost, icons telling you where everything is, and arrows pointing where you have to go. Not only they play all the same but also look all the same. I completely lost interest in AAA games for 10 years now. If it wasn't for indie games, this would be the worse moment in video gaming in my life.
That's b.s. Every modern game that includes those "hand-holding" feature also includes the option to disable it in settings. You can play the new TR games as old-school or as modern as you want.
You're like that guy that couldn't beat the Cuphead tutorial! Except, at least he didn't later review the game and say it sucks because he couldn't beat it. Frankly, if you aren't even able to play the game, then you aren't in any position to review it. This is a prime example of what many gamers hate about game critics. Your ineptitude takes center stage and essentially becomes the focus of the review. It's a 30-hour package, of which you clumsily played forty minutes of. You can't talk about the level design, the puzzle design, the challenging encounters (and I don't mean the very first jump in the second game), or any other noteworthy aspects to these classic titles. All your assertions are really just projections and are demonstrably wrong. You have nothing interesting to say about Tomb Raider 1-3. You have no frame of reference because you didn't play them when they came out, and you are incapable of playing them now. Based on the footage you've shown, it's not even clear to me that you understand how to play these games.
I didn’t buy this package planning to trash it… though I’m especially talented at trashing games people like. See my Elden Ring and Hollow Knight reviews.
@@VaughnJogVlog well, you think you have a talent for it because it's an incredibly easy thing to do. I'll pass on the videos, by the way. This one video was more than enough, and I'd hate to mislead TH-cam into thinking I want more of this garbage "content."
Stick to your fortnight crap for the people with no attention spans or taste for true art. The original tomb raider games are intelligently made with masterful level design and puzzle solving with just the right amount of combat. This remaster was how remasters should be made. Toggling between old and new graphics and old and modern controls which are good once you play with them for a while. It’s a game that’s for people who can concentrate and use their brain for more than five minutes. These remasters are near perfect. You sound so dumb when you say they suck. Modern games could learn from the old games
I’ll never understand the unwillingness to get used to old gameplay. This shit is janky at first compared to new shit, but there’s a reason it was so much fun back then, and once you get used to that, it’s still the same shit.
This was a fan game, many fans of classic Lara were apart of the team. This wasn’t a remake. It was a remaster which is what we got. Classic fans didn’t want a remade game like Anniversary. I mean some do and I would play a remake of 2 if they ever do it but I paid for the remasters on Steam, Ps5 and Xbox and I’m very happy how it turned out as a classic Lara fan. The new games are cool but I don’t consider the new Lara that good. She doesn’t have the body, attitude or sense of adventure like the older Lara did.
You refunded the game after 48 minutes of playing it? Gosh, you really didn't mind learning how to play it AT ALL and then came here making a whole video about how it sucks because you couldn't get a jump out. New controls suck? I agree, I managed to play with it for a while but it really wasn't my cup of tea since I'm used to the tank controls (apart from the obvious missing movements). Now, the whole game was designed around the old controls, they work perfectly, it's not that hard to understand if you actually listen to what Lara says and still you chose not to understand because "you will not get used to", then you shouldn't have tried the game at all even less making this video. You knew it's an old game and that it's just a remaster, meaning they didn't change anything apart from the graphics, you should take your time to actually learn it and then make a review about it instead of being like "Oh, games had bad controls, I can't learn this, it sucks".
This remaster doesn't suck, it's actually a DREAM COME TRUE for any fan of the classics. You're just bad at the controls, that's all. Yes, they are somewhat clunky by modern standards, but once you learn them, they feel natural and - most importantly - PRECISE. I grew up playing the original games on PC with a keyboard and I wouldn't have it any other way. Using the arrows to control Lara, CTRL for action and ALT for jumping is as easy as it gets. The weapons are all assigned to a number, so you don't even have to open to menu to equip a different one. I'm loving every minute of my time with the remasters on PC. Aspyr did a fantastic job as far as I'm concerned. Having said that, I wouldn't touch the modern controls.
Having a... 'Legendary Badass' logo then going on to give a review about how you can't make the first jump in Tomb Raider 2... that's definitely a choice.
I get the distinct impression that you haven't tried. Jumps in this game are very predictable on account of the grid system. If you're overshooting then you need to have done a stationary jump instead of a running jump. Retro games are not for you.
Well, everyone’s entitled to be wrong… Which you 100% are. And I know I’m eight months late to this video, but like everyone else says it’s 100% a skill issue on your part. Modern control suck… Learn the tank controls and you’ll find it so much more enjoyable experience.
I started with Tomb Raider 2 in the late 90s when I was only 12 years old and it was an amazing experience back then. Made me a Tomb Raider fan for life. You just need to learn how to play it, get used to the controls, even if it takes a few days, you will be rewarded with amazing old school Action-Adventures.
TL:DWTW (Too long, didn't want to watch) Guy played with the Modern Control scheme, which yes, has been documented time and time again is a nice idea, just currently flawed. Game didn't hold his hand either and didn't give him a pretty waypoint, or yellow paint not-so-subtlety saying "Go here."
Doesn't suck. Anyone that grew up playing these knows this. Can't wait for 4/5/6 Edit: unable to land the first jump in TR2 damn you probably played dark souls and died and said that sucks too.
Anytime I see one of you "professional" youtubers start the video with the modern controlls I know you do not understand what you are playing. Let me explain: Lara's movement with the tank controlls are the basis of the entire level design, puzzle design and enemy encounter meaning that controlling her is vital to the game. The modern controls where implemented for babies like you who if they don't understand something within 5s they throw a tantrum. If you'd actually spend some time and learn to understand the controls you might have made that jump but watching that seeing that you simply did not comprehend that Lara jumps the same distance every time I understand why you hate the controls. So yes, it is a skill issue, if by the 4th time doing that jump you still don't understand how far Lara jumps there is no hope for you and you should go back play roblox.
This video is an excellent showcase of an appalling gameplay, resulting from the player not having learned the controls. I'm afraid it's not the game that sucks.
Very clickbait title. Had to watch just to totally disagree with your sentiment. I'm loving every minute of this game. The fact that the remastered changed nothing from the originals aside from the visuals is exactly why this game is great. Modernizing it for a modern gaming audience and pandering to suit current ideologies would not make this a true Tomb Raider game. The modern Tomb Raider games by Crystal Dynamics do this but they aren't true Tomb Raider games. Yes, the controls take some time to get used to. Once you get used to the default tank controls (the way it was meant to be played) its alot of fun and wholly satisfying experience. Every jump takes some planning, timing and patience. It will take a few hours to get out of the modern controls mindset for sure, though. Modern controls don't work well with the way the game was designed like a grid puzzle.
I remember N64 games could be really expensive compared to PlayStation titles. My local Walmart had GoldenEye 007 for $78, but none of the PlayStation prices stuck out to me. I think they might had been $50.
The analogy to the old controls being a different language to modern games is actually one that I find quite apt. It is significantly easier to learn languages when you're young or when it's the only language you're exposed to. But if you try to learn a new language as a full adult, you'll need a lot more mental adjustment to even get the basics down; hence why parents start their kids on being multi-lingual early. People talk about how they got through these games as a kid as though that was some kind of handicap, when in reality it may have been more of an advantage. Even moreso if these were the only kinds of games you spent your time on.
It’s not the walking sim part that bothers me with the new game so much as they’re excessively morbid. Like characters only exist so you can watch them die horribly.
Tomb raider reboots aren't tomb raider games, they're just uncharted reskined. I finished tomb raider 1 to 7 as soon as they were brought to pc ( no console ) and finished them all, with a keyboard, without mouse. You youngsters have no excuse 😂
the alternative to this would be to play the 25+ years old versions without any of these QoL-additions. This remaster is not perfect, but it's absolutely the best way to play these milestones of videogame-history. Tomb Raider Anniversary was a full blown new game, based on the story of TR1, so that does not count at all. Regarding the controls: the remaster defaults to the old tank-controls, while the modernised control-scheme is added as a bonus (same as the new graphics that can be toggled at will). All in all this is a fantastic deal at $30, which is what a lot of fans would have paid for just 4K60 in 4:3. Out of curiosity: what would your rating for the Metal Gear Solid Collection be?
I'd welcome the return of games having more unique control schemes that require a bit of a learning process instead of every game having the same controls (which is largely what see nowadays). Then it would be accepted that sometimes you have to learn a game's controls in order to enjoy them and videos like this wouldn't exist. Like we're at a point now where people regularly complain about Rockstar's games having a unique, somewhat more immersive sprinting mechanic or a guy thinks that it's legitimate to complain about not being able to learn tank controls and post it as a review. The title should have been "I Suck and Lack Basic Hand-Eye Coordination, Send Help", I give you a 2 out of 10.
So, these games suck because the gameplay wasn't changed (modernized)... And because you weren't very good at the one you rented? Also because you didn't have rose tinted sunglasses?
Immediately came here for the comments, you suck dude, glad to see everyone agrees. This remaster is awesome, and brings back lots of nostalgia. Great! Increase the peace
When I heard about this release I was super sceptical, fearing that a modernized reboot would do away with the control scheme and the old story. Finally a game that doesn't hold your hand. The most important topic of a review of a remaster is how close they resemble the originals. Thankfully, it seems to be close. I've replayed the originals both on PC and Playstation numerous times, and I strongly disagree with you. These games seem to target the old fans. I hate the reboot with a passion, CD destroyed everything that made Tomb Raider, Tomb Raider. Now lets hope they bring back the other old classics as well. I am not saying "git good", but I am saying that you should judge a product on its own merrits and take into account who it is made for.
Also i wanted to point this out as it may help you if you do play again, you dont time jumps in tomb raider. its based on distance and if you are already moving and hold the jump button she will jump when she is suppose to. Which is one square. Which is why if you ever see a video of someone playing it you'll see them walk to an edge, hop back then run jump. Its pretty much impossible to fk up the jumps in this game the minute you realise what jump to do where. Also rolling isn't a dodge button. Its just a quick 180 turn. Its a way of quickly changing direction
Lara narrates at her home to do something like this, but you can’t with the modern controls. If the original controls were the only option, I probably would have toughed it out a little longer. I think the state of gaming being what it is now with so many games using nearly identical controls makes adapting to these changes too difficult for me. But hey, maybe some day I’ll give it another spin.
@@VaughnJogVlog I hear theres actually workarounds for the modern controls, but honestly I tried hem once. They sucked balls. They break the camera too which is like 95% fine if you use the tank controls and use the regular look button on them. I hear theres actually hidden inputs to do the hop back on modern and you can also trigger it if you draw your guns but honestly i dont understand how they couldnt implement it properly. They could have had one control scheme where the dpad does the old input style and the analogue do the modern and if you wanted to pivot or hop back and sidestep you could have used the dpad for those movements.
3:30 it's because modern games are void of almost any challenge and hold your hand all the way through. These game didn't do that. It's why I find myself playing more older games these days
I can under being a little confused, but directionless with rudimentary controls not functioning as a player would expect is entirely different. I almost wouldn’t be surprised if you had to alternately jam buttons to walk players would call it amazing simply because it’s old and they grew up with it.
@@VaughnJogVlog it was built around those controls. It's basically on a grid. As for directionless? You're meant to explore... Unlike games now that drag you through a corridor by the hand
I never usually comment on youtube but wow. This has to be one of worst reviews I've ever seen. To sum it up, you made a 5 minutes long video to say that you have skill issues. This is a remaster, so it keeping its basic tank controls should be normal imo. The modern controls are ass I can agree on that. If you want a different gameplay, go play a remake like anniversary or something lmao
No, it's awesome and the modern controls are amazing, I played old controls my whole life but modern are much better. Even before the patches the collection was fantastic, now after patch 4 it's perfect.
🚨 DISCLAIMER: I played with the game’s “modern” control scheme which is broken. I am told if you tough it out with the original controls it is possible to traverse obstacles. But yeah, blame me for using the updated controls like it’s my fault they were added to the release.
The issue people have is that you say the remaster sucks.
You could have been more nuanced.
The modern control scheme does indeed not work optimally, however, several people have played through the game and managed to make it work.
Looking at the clips you chose to put in the review, you are willingly ignoring the information the game is giving you.
At the training course in Lara's Home, the first jump is a standing jump, as Lara says, but you choose to make a running jump, which does lead to not being able to complete the next jump without stopping.
The walk button is your friend in this game, cause it makes Lara not fall off edges, and you can look where and how far a jump will be. Making it easier for you to decide to go for a standing, running or running+grab jump.
The remaster is clearly aimed at people that played the game in their youth, and most of these remember the tank controls and (maybe with some frustration) accept that.
I'm a Tomb Raider fan (yes, even Angel of Darkness), and I think the remaster is about a 7.5/10.
The modern control scheme needs work, there are several texture issues, some objects aren't always solid when they should be, and I've come across several other (small) bugs.
But we are getting 3 games (with "rare" expansions) and a nice graphical update for 30$, in today's Gaming market, I think that's fair value.
They’re not broken AT ALL. There are several videos of people who explain how the controls work but instead of you finding a solution for yourself you went straight to complaining and BASHING
@@AngelBatistaa The modern controls need a patch. You will not get an argument from me about that. But that is a problem only if it was the only option to play the game - and it isn't. In fact, there is a viable, perfectly functioning alternative - which is specifically designed with the grid system and precision jumping in mind. And those controls are perfect for this type of gameplay - and not difficult to learn at all if you just listen to the instructions from the tutorial areas. But the guy in the video is just flailing around and ignoring everything Lara is saying. So, you can tell how much effort the guy put into actually trying out the game.
It would be similar to me trying to play Civilization or chess... flailing about for 10-15 minutes while ignoring all the tutorial messages and then saying those games suck. You should at least familiarize yourself with the gameplay mechanics before you make a judgment on a game.
The moment you title your video "tHe ReMaStEr SuCkS" you lost credibility. I'm a gen z and I love this 100x more than the modern Tomb Raiders, and I swap between both control schemes. Neither one is broken. Maybe you're just trash at gaming in general?
@@AngelBatistaaYeah, and the problem is the games weren't designed with 360° movement that modern games afford.
See, one method of getting the first secret in The Caves level requires you to backflip onto the slope and then jump towards the ledge to grab it.
The modern controls don't let you backflip normally because of how the 360° movement works. To backflip with modern controls, you need weapons drawn, which neuters any action save for shooting.
There's a reason many modern games have auto grab mechanics and auto climb mechanics, and that's in part because modern control schemes don't offer the precision tank controls do.
New Players that haven't played the classic Tomb Raider games before, Vaughn and many others who share his opinion that the control scheme is broken and unusable are incorrect and here's why:
Vaughn has an example in video 3:05 of why the controls are "broken". But the reality is that he is actually demonstrating he doesn't know that Lara has a standing jump that is shorter than her running jump. He fails this jump over and over again, because he kept attempting a running jump instead of just walking to the edge of the platform and doing the shorter standing jump.
The modern control scheme may be awkward and their implementation not as fluid as they should have been, but they *still successfully follow the same jumping rules as the classic control scheme.* Had Vaughn _paid attention_ during the Lara's home tutorial level, he'd know this. But he didn't. Instead he "reviewed" a game he played less than an hour of and condemned the whole thing as broken without even trying to get used to the readily offered classic control scheme.
Further proof of his lack of understanding the game, he thought the 180 spin move was a dodge move.
Pretty much.
Incredible🤦
@@VaughnJogVlog🤦
I don't usually comment on TH-cam videos but this remaster was never designed to be a 'modern game for the modern day gamer', it's a remaster of the original classic Tomb Raider game that many of us grew up on. If that's not your cup of tea, that's fine, and it just means this isn't the game for you. It doesn't make it a "bad" game, nor should be referred to as 'Tomb Raider Remastered Sucks'.
This remasters actually exceeds the fanbase expections in terms of gameplay, graphics and performance. I don't think it's fair for you to say that it 'tarnishes the nostalgic adventure of Lara Croft' when you admit that you didn't grow up playing the original games, apart from TR2 which you rented and admit you didn't get far on.
The issue is that very few games measure up to how we remember them. Movies are much more accessible. But many gamers don’t go back and play an old title until it’s reissued on modern hardware. There have been games I played well after their time and found them to be perfectly suitable. But most, especially early 3D titles suffer. Tomb Raider Anniversary is a far more accessible outing for players who need today’s control schemes. I anticipated something closer to that with the modern control scheme option. I realize people played this on a PS without analog sticks and were fine with it, but for me it was like playing with limbs missing now that I require more control.
@@VaughnJogVlog Chess sucks because it's old? Time to learn the gameplay, mister:-p
@@VaughnJogVlog Massive skill issue🤡
@@VaughnJogVlog Anniversary is a REMAKE. These are REMASTERS of 1, 2 and 3 and its expansions. It is all fans wanted from a remaster. They even used the original code of the first 5 games.
Modern controls are totally fine, you can do ANYTHING you do with tank controls. But it is still classic Tomb Raider.
Facts
Yes the controls sucks in a way but the tank controls is getting use to so I agree with you it's not everyone cup of tea so it doesn't suck
I never wanted a modern remake of TR2. For years I dreamt of the exact same game with updated visuals. And I got it. For 26 quid! I would have paid a lot more.
Same here, I just wanted the old game but updated to work on modern computers and good controller support. I'm hoping they do the same thing for the 4th and 5th games as well. Maybe even the 6th if they can fix the controls.
Right! Like there isn’t any room for complaining. They let you know full well what you are buying.
@@nodak81 Are you happy now ? 😂
It doesn’t suck. It’s just a puzzle that requires some effort.
As Tomb Raider should be.
This is a video game folks. No handholding. No waypoints. No NPC giving you hints after a minute of not figuring it out. Just great puzzles and gameplay that allows you to explore and figure it out for yourself.
As much as I apprentice challenge, there are modern conventions that make returning to a game manageable. If you have a lot on your plate and can't recall what to do next when you return to a game a week later, it's good to have some kind of guidance. The old approach worked when a player didn't have access to hundreds of games vying for his attention.
I was playing it and I though how great it is that no one is actually talking at me the whole time!
Awww poor little man-baby, he needs someone there to hold his hand and explain how to solve basic puzzles! Then again, if someone like you didn't listen to Lara explain how to do standing jumps forward (as opposed to overshooting your mark with running jumps) then I guess even being coddled wouldn't help you any. 😏 @@VaughnJogVlog
@@AliceInBlunderland666 oh fucking damn. Roast him. Fucking roast this loser lol 😆
@@AliceInBlunderland666aww, poor baby boy can't take someone with a different opinion.
I beat my first Tomb Raider game (TR2) at 8 years old in 1998. Crazy how gamers these days need their hands held
Facts.
Where's the way point marker? Where's the yellow paint! Why isn't the game telling me what to do?!
@@Weiser_Gaming dont forget auto grab. Cant go without that too 😂
@@armon230Walk-button(you never fall when walking)
@@krissalkond hehe yes, I was being sarcastic. I’m a huge classic TR fan and know the grid system very well
I could never get past the first level and I was 10 in 1998. I think I just used the cheats too much and never forced myself to actually beat the levels. I don't know why I never got around to actually doing it. It's crazy. I feel like I never learned to just "save the game" before trying things lol. I don't think I even knew you could save manually.
"this remaster sucks because i dont know what remaster means and expected a remake."
Possibly the worst review of a game i seen on youtube. Dude never played originals and has audacity to shit on what most of us 90's kid wanted to see/play. Get good kiddo
He actually makes a good review because he isn't biased by nostalgia-tinted goggles who blindly buy anything because "muh childhood."
@@UnchainedEruption its a remaster of the original game, not a remake, its in the title!
its aimed at those with nostalgia of the original, so no it isnt a good review...
he never took the time to learn the original controls for it... you know the controls from the time period...
if you review something you supposed to review it having tried its full options for controls, otherwise you dont give the game a fair chance. You should also keep in mind the intended audience, the people who are most likely intend to buy the game.
and for that reason its an uninformed opinion is all he gave. he gave the game half a chance.
@@UnchainedEruption I played both the older and newer Tomb Raider games simultaneously in my childhood and even back then I vastly preferred the PS1 entries to the newer games. It's not just about nostalgia, these are legitimate masterpieces and the controls are literally the best in any videogame in my opinion.
This is not for "modern audiences" or some Uncharted knock-off like the bland remakes with that whimpering wet blanket protag. These games require you to master the classic controls and are more about exploration along with atmosphere. This is the real Tomb Raider experience with real Lara Croft that became so iconic :-)
nah the camera in these games are still bad along with gunplay. These games were good back in the 90s but not now they aged.
@@emptyblank099a that's the point of the remaster! Keeps the magic of the original while updating it to todays resolution. All the original fans are IN LOVE with these remasters, there's people who beat these games not healing once or saving once, so its not difficult if you actually try. Yes it takes some time to get used to the controls but once you learn them the games are amazing!
@@emptyblank099aAbsolute L take
If you actually played the modern TR games instead of getting on the bandwagon, you'd know they are just as much about exploration and the atmosphere is far better. Just because Lara has actual character and the games are really cinematic doesn't mean they don't still have that DNA of exploration and puzzle-solving.
@@UnchainedEruption sorry but they dont... the newer tomb raiders are more story driven, with clear indicators of what to press etc... not bad games, just different
the originals are more about the puzzle game play, the f around and find out approach, hence no save anytime and no autosave option back in the day. And little in the tutorial other than the very basic controls, part of the puzzle was learning the controls.. real consequences for your choices, pressing the wrong button could mean a death. traps can instant kill you.... more risk = more reward....the game loop was explore, die, start level again, explore a little bit more, die again... repeat x number of times, find a miss-able save crystal, save, repeat until end of level, save, repeat
the experience of exploration is very different, the reward for exploring just a little more of the level was far more rewarding due to alot more of your time being at risk. And the atmosphere due to the risk is also more intensive. i think the clunky and janky controls also helped with the risk reward and intensive atmosphere in the older games aswell
It's not the game that sucks, it's you that sucks. Get good like the rest of us.
Dude, I started the video addressing this accusation. Actually watch first.
Calling this a skill issue just isn't right. It's like saying because I don't like dark souls games but love other open world exploration games like Fenyx Rising I can't enjoy those games because I haven't played dark souls. It's the same with any game. Don't call it a skill issue just because someone doesn't enjoy it. Everyone has their preferences.
I also play on story difficulty and normal on most Ubisoft games because I enjoy the story and not being one banged by a boss. And I also love games to be smooth. Tomb raider is good but the movement is like a chess board.
@@PeteParsonsCarCollectionI found the video unwatchable, but the bits I skipped through were clearly a skills issue.
It is tho. Not being able to figure out the jumps is a skill issue. The rest is subjective but failing to understand the puzzle is a skill issue,one that might have been averted with a bit more persistence.@@PeteParsonsCarCollection
as some one who played these games on release on ps1, these remasters are absolute perfect for me and exactly what i wanted,
I'm glad they work for you.
@@VaughnJogVlog yeah you probably just had to be there I guess.
I don't normally comment stuff like this and frankly I don't like to, cause I don't want to come off as rude, but I gotta be honest, this is the worst review I think I've ever heard.
It's the definition of "I don't like it, therefore it's bad.". You can't just say the game is bad because it's not good for modern gamers or because it requires a lot of skill to beat.
Also, have you even heard anyone's opinions on this collection? It most ABSOLUTELY lived up to our expectations, if not surpassed it, all we were expecting was just texture and lighting changes, but this remaster not only enhanced the game's graphics excellently, it managed to keep the nostalgic vibes of the original classic games, even keeping the original music and audio, not to mention they added some great smaller features such as subtitles, boss enemy health bars, and highlighting interactable objects, such small features yet they do so much to improve the gameplay experience.
Also, you outright admitted that you have never played the original tomb raider games before, who are you to speak for everyone else by saying that this game "tarnishes the nostalgic adventure of Lara croft." when you yourself have no nostalgia associated with this game to look back on?
Look, I'm not trying to be b*tch, please don't take this comment the wrong way, if you don't like these remasters then that's completely fine, you are entitled to your own opinion and I get that this remaster (and game) is not everyone's cup of tea, but you can't just say the game is bad simply because you don't like it.
@@emicastudios8500 100% support. Just a little big addition: Lara Croft is back, just exactly as we remember her from classic FMV and numerous art from 90s. The real Lara Croft is back. That is what made her a Legend.
Hating on the game because you're bad at it is a wild stance
How? If a game has garbage control, that’s you being bad at it?
@@VaughnJogVlog yeah you learn how to play a game and get good at it, your inability to do that doesn't make it a bad game
@@VaughnJogVlog its always been a part of the challenge you dumbo. You also fundamentally screwed yourself using modern controls. Your take is wild and look like a crybaby bad gamer like a kid who screams at fortnight because he isnt good at controls yet.
@@VaughnJogVlog The tank controls were literally made for this game. You are supposed to be shit first 20 minutes.
@@VaughnJogVlog Ok, fair enough argument. If a chanel makes garbage content, that's me being bad at it (being entertained)?
I'm playing through the game right now and landing all my jumps just fine. But I don't suck at video games.
My gaming prowess is well documented, racist.
muh raycis@@VaughnJogVlog
@@VaughnJogVlog are you like... insane? What are you talking about?
Are you not up on media? Everyone who defies me is a racist.
@@VaughnJogVlog oh ok.
These are games of patience. The game is not bad it just requires more out of the player than most games do nowadays.
This remaster is a love letter to the fans who enjoyed these games back in the 90s. Many of us older millennials and gen Xers.
These were known to be notoriously difficult and unforgiving. The diffcult puzzle systems and tank controls, great characters and story is what added to the charm of these games.
This trilogy influenced what semi and somewhat open world games are today.
I do appreciate these games are not for everyone, just like the newer spoon feeding tomb raider games are not for me.
Maybe give these games another chance or not. Its your choice.
As much as I wanted to play these, I don’t think I can get accustomed to the adjustments. Maybe I’ll re-up on sale. I would love to have been able to check these off my list.
Pretty sure you'd get used to it if you hadn't given up in less than an hour. It's really not that deep.@@VaughnJogVlog
@@VaughnJogVlog I know people are shitting on you here, but I'd encourage you to... keep an open mind!
Try to take each failure as a learning test. The game is indeed built on a grid, so Lara will always jump the same distance from each type of movement. Because of how exact and consistent her movements are, it's often just about understanding and *reading* the world, and seeing it like a playground to climb, run, jump, and roll around!
Hell, maybe consider streaming it so people can give advice! There is a lot of beauty and intelligence in these games, and if you can even just scratch TR1 off, I think you'll at least understand people's perspectives better, and why they find aspects of these games so dearly missed!
I love that the comments are eating him up.
I'm 90% certain he posted this as rage bait for views.
He deserves so.And worse.
Does it matter? Y'all are giving him views, anyway 😂
Controls do suck
@@animegamergeek1427 views don’t matter on this awful take the controls don’t suck YOU suck, the games been out for years and is a platinum hit. If they sucked they wouldn’t be the highest selling games of all time. Says a lot about you.
@@animegamergeek1427it matters to you obviously you’re under every comment d riding
"It's something you're going to call 'skill issue'" - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but let's see what you have to say.
"Tomb Raider reboot trilogy that kicked off in 2013, sort of the closest thing to Uncharted..." - I'll give you props for identifying that the reboot trilogy is much closer to uncharted than it is to the original games. I played through the survivor trilogy recently, and while they are enjoyable games that have a good sense of exploration, their platforming is incredibly "floaty" and imprecise compared to the original games.
"Short-lived and much derided tank controls" - Tank controls have some very distinct advantages over modern camera-relative controls. The most obvious is that you don't really have to care about the exact positioning of the camera when performing complex actions. Concrete example: Say you're lining up a long jump from a 1 block platform that is against a wall. You line up the jump, walking, pivoting, and possibly using the look button. Then you tap back to get a runup, putting you against the wall and probably swinging the camera out in front of Lara or up close to her head. However, the controls are completely independent of the camera so you simply do a running forward jump as usual and land exactly where you lined Lara up to go. Tank controls also make it possible to control Lara during cinematic moments (where the camera zooms to something else, or assumes a static position). A specific example would be the boulder/spike wall sequence in the first level of TR2. The camera zooms to the boulders as the dramatic music starts, it then then positions itself in a static position when you fall to the pit with the approaching spike walls. The first time (or few times) you do this sequence, you're probably going to die or scrape through it clumsily. Coming back to that sequence with a good grasp of the controls you can use the precise movements to pick up both the ammo and the jade secret without taking any damage (to be specific: left flip, standing forward jump, right shimmy, and a precise stop)
"Many were playing on consoles that didn't have dual analog sticks, or even one" - I will give you props for identifying that the games were released on platforms that didn't yet have standard analog control inputs. Many important parts of Lara's move set in the traditional control scheme are tied to tapping a directional button (back for a runup, jump plus a direction for a standing jump/flip). Many people (including myself) find these moves much easier to pull off using the D-pad rather than the analog sticks, since that's that they were designed for.
"Entirely unable to land the first jump in TR2" - You then proceed to show multiple attempts at doing a running jump instead of a standing jump and completely overshooting the platform. Even with modern controls, all you need to do is walk to the edge, line up the jump, and then press forward and jump together.
"Requires archaic timing of jumps that you simply will not get used to" - Except there are many, many people that have gotten used to this system and enjoy it because of it's precision and consistency. All of Lara's moves position her exactly in the game's grid system, once you understand how they work, moving her is a joy. A lot of the games' secrets require this understanding of Lara's moves and often use several highly specific moves in sequence (this colosseum secret in the first game is my favorite example to point people to: th-cam.com/video/H7ohzuCJnzA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=nIabbd3Ev_iypkGe&t=172 )
"Your dodge is the opposite of every dodge you've seen for the past 20 years with a baked in 180 degree turn." - That's because it's not a dodge, it's a roll, and the 180 degree turn feature is designed mainly for movement/platforming (as a quick turn when running from a boulder, turning around while falling off a ledge to grab it, setting up for a running jump in the opposite direction). In combat, the roll is meant to be used with jumps to keep enemies in front of Lara so she can keep blasting them. The remaster added the jumping roll to TR1 which makes makes many combat scenarios easier.
"Fails to take into account modern gaming conventions" - That these games pre-date and were not designed for. Just because something is unfamiliar does not make it inherently worse. Modern games are much more polished and approachable, but they also do quite a bit of handholding and water down their base mechanics in an effort to appeal to the widest audience possible. The OG Tomb Raider games have a learning curve, both Croft Manor and the Peru levels of the first game do a great job of teaching you how the controls work (Croft Manor is explicit, Peru has many jumps that are over water/not all that high.
Given the evidence you presented throughout your video, I would call this a skill issue. The most glaring evidence is your lack of understanding about the difference between a standing and running jump that is explained in the Croft Manor tutorial by Lara herself very explicitly.
Also, the content warning you mention at the end wasn't about Lara's appearance, but the depictions/stereotypes of certain ethnicities. I don't personally see the need for the warning in the game, but if you're going to mention that controversy at least get the content/context right.
I completely agree with you.
I played these game on release with no analog sticks, I found the analog sticks so weird when they where released.
It was so easy for me to straight back to d-pad for these games and funny part is before this remaster was announced, I still played TR occasionally.
"Requires archaic timing of jumps that you simply will not get used to" It's actually quite easy, I bet he went straight to "Modern controls" aka "TR Legend/Anni/Underworld controls" Even though I use Tank, I gave Modern a try during Lara's Home and the first level before I went back to Tank.
Yeah, its definitely a skill issue.
And the content warning was weird and unnecessary. Lara's appearance 😂 she looks fine to me.
Similar to TR, some people tried that one with a Japanese game(can't remember the name) calling the female character unrealistic and no women looks like that.
Just for the Devs to show the model for said character.
tldr
tldr git gud zoomer@@emptyblank099a
Siiigh, I wish Vaugn would take the time to read this, but I doubt he will.
He'll just give another shit take like before@@CritStanley
Maybe go back to games that dont require skill, practice, time and effort to play well these remasters are amazing.
@@clockworkninja1889 well said
The game don't suck...you do!
Like you can make that jump with the game’s modern controls on Xbox.
@@VaughnJogVlog only idiots play witz the modern shitcontrols.
Veterans know how to use the old controls that are made for this game 😂
@@VaughnJogVlogI played it with an Xbox Controller, everything was fine, I'm so happy with this Remastered launch 😊
@@VaughnJogVlog Dude, it's absolutely a skill issue. I tanned all three games with modern controls and it was the best thing to ever happen to all three games. One of the best remasters I've played and I've been a die hard since the OG Tomb Raider.
The game suck
Honestly... if you can't get used to the controls or be bothered to learn them properly... totally fine. But the audacity to upload a full blown review of a game which you not even gave an hour of your time? Imagine a big gaming magazine basing their review on about 50 minutes of gameplay.
Tank controls are the way to go. Lara's movement is entirely grid based. That first jump you kept failing is a jump that requires her to stand still and jump forward.
I've heard. I played "modern" and the game is entirely impossible on that setting. Everyone is getting upset at me like I coded it.
The game it entirely playable with the modern controls. It has all the moves except the sidestepping one. @@VaughnJogVlog
@VaughnJogVlog No its not. I have completed 1 and 2 and I am in the middle of 3 while using modern controls.
The first minute when stating that “I never played the originals” told us everything that we needed to know.
Also the comment about the disclaimer is completely immature and telling about the person filming the video 🥶.
That Disclaimer is not even about how Lara is depicted as he is saying the video. It is about that tribe in part 3.
I'm currently watching a youtuber called "The Hound". He has never played the original, and when he started off, it was... rough. But he played through the whole first game with modern controls, and read the comments and learned. He's gotten shockingly good, and fast. He really liked TR1, and is currently at Diving Area in TR2!
If you need nostalgia in order for it to still be enjoyable, that's the definition of aging badly. You only know it aged well when people who never played it when it came out can try it for the first time today and still appreciate it the same way as people did in the 90s.
I've never played the originals and I still love the remaster. I'm sure I would have hated the PS1 versions for how punishing they are, but it's a non issue with unlimited saves and the new intetact/pickup icon to point you in the right direction.
It doesn't suck. It just requires one using their brain to beat.
Skill issue 100%
200%
@@OgoidAlucard i have passed the games three times, with tank and modern controls, too easy! clearly a skill issue 300%
@@alku3540 bro you’re just too cool. Save some pussy for the rest of us
@@alku3540I haven’t played the game but skill issue 400%
Game sucks game issue 100%
You serious...a refund? No wonder you only had 1k subs. They best part of this is that you can play with the original look. Not to mention they have damn achievements. What a dream come true. Your channel.. 0 out of 10.
The "original" look in remasters is rarely the actual original look. They always make it look worse than it originally was so that the remaster seems more drastically better by comparison.
Yeah but the achievements work so badly that I'd actively takes points away from it for that.
This game is a love letter for gamers of the 90s. Its nice to see my demographic being appreciated with these kind of games being made official. This game was designed from the ground up using the grid system. Its controls are completely consistent if you use the original controls and learn the inputs necessary to complete the obstacles presented in the game. Sure there might be trial and error but by the time you conquer the temple of xian you feel like you have accomplished something.
Tldr: I beat TR2 when I was 9 back in 1999
I hope to some day be able to say I completed these titles, but I’m afraid I can’t make those adjustments with every modern game having a very similar control scheme to each other.
Ya, this game only for 90's players who have patience and more smart.
No map, no meeting point no hint, you have to solve by yourselft.
I never even made it far enough for a lack of modern guidance to come up. God bless waypoints, objective tracking, radio buddies, and health regeneration.
@@VaughnJogVlog glad at this remaster you can save any where, classic game need to find diamond first before save.
You should also solve your grammar and spelling.
@@VaughnJogVlogyour generation is reason games are watered down to the point you dont even have to think to play the game
No map, no hints, solve yourself... sounds like dark souls. Oh wait, that wasn't released in the 90's.
What is so difficult about tank controls for modern gamers? I've never understood how people struggle with them. We were dealing with them just fine back in the day whilst also wrapping our heads round the jump from 2D to 3D.
I played legacy sticks inverted on FPS games for 19 years. I had to switch last generation because too many first person games didn’t support legacy sticks.
In the ‘90s I could handle tank controls in RE games. It was manageable because it wasn’t that uncommon. But I’m so entrenched in today’s control schemes that I can’t make those adjustments. Most of today’s titles have nearly identical play and that makes them easy to pick up. I can’t undo that for one game at this point in my life.
@@VaughnJogVlog Maybe you can't undo that for one game, but a 4/10? Just because you _specifically_ refuse to try to get used to tank controls again?
Don't you think that score is just a little bit unfair? You're completely allowed to refund a game you don't think you'll be able to enjoy playing. But to claim the game sucks and is unplayable and thus a 4/10 when you've barely played an hour of it seems like a bit of an overreaction to me.
Did it not occur to you that maybe you shouldn't make a review at all if you can't play at least the majority of it?
@@VaughnJogVlog took me like 5 minutes to get reused to how this game controlled lol. Its really not that hard.
@@VaughnJogVlog4/10 for that though? Really?
So you say that an objectively great remaster of 3 classic games sucks because they didn't change the "archaic" controls to suit modern game standards.
You have to understand that these games do not work AT ALL without these particular controls. The levels are all built on a grid system and traversing them requires these controls in order to have any form of consistency and precision. Understanding how the controls work but not liking them is perfectly normal and that's just an opinion. Failing to understand something and saying that it sucks just because you don't get it is just wrong. And you clearly seem to not understand from the TR2 clip in this video.
Couldn't the case be made that the original games were not that good and that over the years the formula has been improved? I can point to a game like Halo: CE where the gameplay is strong out the gate and still seen in today's games.
@@VaughnJogVlog You're talking about a classic series that inspired pretty much every action/adventure game since and still has a huge following 25+ years later. So yes, the originals were always good and from the way this remaster is received they seem to also be timeless. The fact that the formula has been improved over the years is not the point in that case. It's a faithful remaster. Not a new take on these games. And part of what made these games great are these particular controls.
This is a great remaster of 3 great games and you shouldn't scare people away from experiencing them just because you don't understand how they work. People had no problem understanding and getting used to how they work for 2 decades.
@@VaughnJogVlog if they were not that good then how is it that I absolutely adore playing this right now? Might be nostalgia as well, but that gameplay of exploring, looking around a room, figuring out what moves are necessary to get you somewhere is simply hooking me in. I love how methodical you have to move because of these kind of controls.
@@VaughnJogVlog If they weren't that good, the remaster probably would not have been requested, let alone made.
Did you know there was a Tomb Raider level creator? Since it's release in 2000, people have made around FOUR THOUSAND levels and fan-games using this engine.
I won't argue it doesn't take time to get used to with Lara's movement, but what people love about it is how absolutely accurate it is.
Once you understand how to move and jump, you can Mirror's Edge through levels with precision, canceling animations, skipping puzzles, and completing some levels in a minute instead of an hour with smart jumps. It doesn't hold your hand, but successes are entirely because YOU figured out the puzzle and situation presented to you.
There's very little like it, and that's why this release was a dream come true for many fans.
@@VaughnJogVlog
I just finished Tomb Raider 1 for the first time just this past month. The game still holds up and was an outright amazing experience. I never played a game with tank controls, but I took the time to learn them for this and it was beyond worth it. The game is very good and still holds up today.
A review from a paying customer that requested a refund after only 48 minutes? C’mon man. Aspyr to be better.
May I offer a suggestion? Consider switching to tank controls and revisit the Croft Manor in Tomb Raider 2, following the tutorial closely. It's an excellent tutorial when approached with tank controls, so I'd advise against using modern controls for this.
When I first played these games in 2015, I didn't enjoy them initially. However, after playing through Croft Manor in TR2, everything clicked for me, and I began to appreciate why these games are considered classics.
These games are actually really fun. The challenge lies in understanding the environment and mastering the jumps. It all comes down to getting a handle on the controls but once you do its great.
I really would like to complete these titles someday. Maybe if there’s a nice sale I’ll re-up but even then I don’t think I can play a game the way it was meant to be tackled in 1996.
@@VaughnJogVlog You have no problem making crap, edgelord content to try to monetize off it though, right?
Not too bright are ya?
It's okay. You can skip these games altogether, it's clear that you don't like and understand them. @@VaughnJogVlog
@@VaughnJogVlog But the way they were played in 1996 is still good even in today's standards in my opinion. I played both the older and newer entries in the series simultaneously and never had an issue after learning the controls. The tank controls from old Tomb Raider are literally the best and most precise controls implemented in any videogame in my opinion.
Another example of a bunch of gamers clearly not wanting games to be preserved, despite the calls for "remasters" and not remakes which has become more synonymous as re-imagining which means a completely different game entirely. Which is ironic as Tomb Raider Legends are just that and they were pretty mediocre for it. Tank controls are not a product of a by gone era, it is a intentional design choice that makes games like these possible with the the more slow pace methodical platforming and puzzle solving akin to the original Prince of Persia. I'm glad this remaster celebrates those times instead of just nuking it from orbit like the aforementioned Legends.
Legends is far superior because of that. You want games to be preserved? Then let them be in their actual original state, without remastering it. Remastering is by definition changing it with intention to replace, because the mechanics are identical. The point of a remake is to actually improve the game. To be different enough to actually justify its existence. That way it doesn't compete with the original.
I think the problem is that modern games watered down platforming so much that it takes basically no skill to be able to climb across the level. Even the Legend trilogy is watered down so much when it comes to platforming. In the classic games it took a lot of skill to be able to quickly jump across the landscape.
"The game works just as it originally did in the 90s. No new bugs, no new problems, provided you steer clear from the modern control scheme. The mechanics of movement did not translate well if at all. I'm not a fan of tank controls, so for me it is very upsetting that the modern scheme is as seemingly bugged as it is."
That is what you should have said. Instead, you made it sound like the entire game was broken. All because you insisted on not trying to at least get used to the tank controls to make sure they aren't busted too. To clear up if they are or aren't, the tank controls work identically to before. You just have to know how to use them.
Its fine to not like them based on preference. After all, many people prefer to eat rice with a spoon instead of chopsticks. But saying the whole meal sucks because your spoon has holes in it, when you have perfectly good chopsticks _right next to the spoon you're upset about_ is basically what your review is saying about Tomb Raider Remastered.
Don't become like many modern occupation game reviewers. If you're going to review a game, you need to play it _completely_ . If you can't do that. You shouldn't review that game.
It’s easy to chime in when other have discovered that the modern controls don’t work. But I seem to be catching arrows for showing that the modern controls don’t work.
@@VaughnJogVlog I think you're still missing my point. You condemned the _entire_ game based on the modern scheme not working the way you want it to work.
Your stance that the modern controls need to be better and more accessible is _valid._
However, the game offers a second control scheme that works just fine and you choosing to ignore it so you can say the game sucks and isn't playable is why so many are upset with you.
@@VaughnJogVlog Furthermore, I'm sure you've been told by now. But in the example you showed us of you missing that jump in TR2's intro is because you kept doing a running jump over and over instead of a standing jump, which would have landed you perfectly.
You just had to walk to the edge, then jump _and then push forward._ The distance of a standing jump isn't as far as a running jump.
The game is meant to be played with tank controls and a D-pad. I can traverse every level like a flawless acrobat using those controls. These games were from a time when gamers didn't need their hand held while doing the slightest task. Figuring out what to do and how to do it is a major part of the game.
I would have rather there been a disclaimer at the start that the game is intended to be played this way than that the publisher finds the game offensive.
Ive never had so much fun in a game recently. Its just so peaceful and addictive getting through the puzzles and platforming. Makes me feel like a kid again too because the last time i played I was probably 8 years old
Games today are certainly lacking in fun. You're given loads of tasks to juggle, or have to put up with other people's kids.
@@VaughnJogVlog L comment.
“Skill issue”: The Review
tank controls work well for this type of game. the movement is extremely consistent and the world is made out of a grid system to work with the controls. its literally the perfect system for this type of game. also you saying "you will not get used to the controls" is just ridiculous. have you seen speedrunners take these games on? talking out of your arse mate. its clear you are just not very good dude and thats not a knock on you, im not having a go but you absolutely cannot say these games suck, its you that sucks at them. these three games absolutely still hold up, especially seeing as each of these games are 10 quid each plus all the DLCs. seriously bad take on this dude.
welcome to an era when games were fun, and challenging.
For 90's kids like me these was some of the best games ever made at that time. Beating these games was a challenge and patience was a required skill for TR, lol. I played my first TR game in 98 on PC using a keyboard, no controller, and it was absolutely possible. Can't wait to replay these titles with the luxury of modern consoles 😊
@@moonbrewmusic same, I started with Tomb Raider 2 which a friend passed on to me at the time, then I bought a copy of it for myself and from there I recovered all the others, all finished on PC and with the keyboard not the controller and if I had a problem moving forward in some points well... there were always the good old guides in video game magazines to solve the situation for me, those were the good times
This is more for us, who played it in 90s and 2000s. I love it, those games are original Dark Souls game, you play one game for long, remember every level, die so many times you get use to it....and love it when you win and get all pickups and secrets. Secrets are priority. It is fun, to actually focus on something not just push buttons and follow the arrow till the game is over. But if you do not like it, it is ok, it is not for everyone. There are many other games that you will like. It is good that we all have options. Worst is to have all the same type of games..that is boring
Maybe it's just not for you? Why do you need to be so. Arrogant about it? "You wont get used to it, because I didn't"
Just sounds a lot like cope to me. The selling point of the game was that it's the original with better graphics. You got that, you didn't like it fine. But calling it Objectively terrible because of that? Now that's unreasonable.
Is it though? TR hit the ground running with great controls wouldn’t they be the norm today?
Just gonna point out that a lot of your criticisms are skill based, and you have misconceptions on how the controls work 3:36 archaic jump timing? what timing? You simply hold forward and jump until Lara jumps. If you're trying to time the jump at the edge, then that's where you can improve.
This reminds me of the video game journalist who couldn’t get past the Cuphead tutorial. 48 minutes of play does not warrant an opinion let alone a video review.
Okay, decaying TMNT 3 Leo.
Another modern gamer shitting out a grossly uninformed crybaby review...
The only thing here that sucks is your review!
It is a very specific title aimed at a very specific demographic. A lot of people might not like it, but I have yet to see a release that has matched the expectations of its fan base more closely than this launch. It is remarkably good. It is a perfect example of a remaster done right. That being said, it is also a mystery that it was ever developed and released.
Because it is certainly not for everyone. But a company hiring modders of a beloved franchise and then giving them free reign to recreate a classic in a modern look, and then those developers sticking so closely to the source material is simply astonishing. I didn't think it was possible.
Legit the best release thus far!
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@@VaughnJogVlog Why bother replying if it is only going to be with snark?
I applaud you for actually interacting with people in the comments, but I would encourage you to be more open for critique. It might be a good idea to do a bit more research on the titles you review, and maybe focus a bit more about who the game is for. This release sits at "very positive" on Steam, 75 points on Meta for critics and 79 from players. That is quite surprising for a release of an old classic. If you fuck up a remaster, you risk pissing off all the fans of the original.
@@VaughnJogVlog Why are you even bother responding, if all you are going to respond with is bile?
Yeah, sure... I'd admit that my initial comment was a bit hyperbolic, but so was your review. You completely ignore what the game aims to achieve, while at the same time claiming that it sucks. If you want to succeed as a reviewer, you need to research the products you are reviewing more thoroughly. The general population on both Steam and Metacritic seems to disagree quite strongly with you, so does the majority of professional critics. Now, are they all wrong and you are right, or might it be because you are making judgements on the game based on the wrong qualifications.
Stating in a review that this might not be intended for you if you align with current video game conventions is completely fair. The classic Tomb Raider games are definately not for everyone, and I do not hold that against you. But to say that it sucks is quite hard.
Thing is, you have a lot going for you here. Your presentation, your editing, your narration and your voice are all of good quality. Being able to establish a career on TH-cam covering games is hard, as there are thousands upon thousands of others trying to do the same. I think you might have a chance, but if you want to make it, you need to avoid mistakes like this. Based on this review, I am guessing that you are not that old yet. Take some time and learn about video game history. Play classic games, get to know the history behind how games have developed over the years.
I mean this genuinely, I hope you succeed. I would love to be able to pull it off myself, but I do not have the presentational skills, nor the ability to structure my arguments well enough to be able to pull it off. I am able to somewhat recognize what it takes to be a successful reviewer though, and if you address this criticism, you might actually have a shot.
And I also applaud you for responding to comments. It shows you care, even though you seem to be a bit too quick to gravitate towards insults and snark. It is not a good idea to insult your audience.
Best of luck!
tank controls aren’t that difficult, everything doesn’t have to play exactly the same.
THIS
I think aside from not including the the side jump and backflip in the modern controll scheme those games are perfect for what they should be. As someone who is 6 years younger that the first game, those remastereds simply are a oportunity to travel back in time and seeing how gaming was back then, just with polished graphics and performence so its not a technologically horrible experience. And I appreciate those remasters for doing exactly that, showing me what gaming was back then.
With a title like that this was bound to be a misguided review, and it is.
Yes the modern controls do suck, they definitely need some work but in the meantime there are tricks to work around it. It's a remaster not a remake, it's not made for modern conventions. Expecting something more is squarely on you. I may be nostalgic for the OG Lara but i can also see that modern Lara is a far cry from what she was, the focus shifted massively and i hate the modern games for it. The dodge is not meant to be a conventional dodge but a quick turn as for the 'archaic jumps you never get used to', that's purely a skill issue. It's a puzzle first and foremost, not a run n gun mountain adventure.
And tf is up with that title fr. Git gud boomer.
A review basically stating you haven’t taken the time to learn the controls and patience to learn them properly. It’s a lack of skill. This isn’t a review it’s a plea for help to learn how to play the game
yeah this is a seriously bad take lol. these games still hold up today and the remasters are great.
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Its sad to see that gaming has held the hand of gamers far too much to the point that they cant even learn new or old controller schemes and yea it is a skill issue as others have pointed out
Kid, I’m older than you and started the video stating that you’d call it a skill issue.
Because quite clearly it is! You couldn't even do a basic standing jump for crying out loud, even when Lara was telling you how to do it!@@VaughnJogVlog
yeah bunch of babys now days he probably supports Sweet baby inc as well!
@@jrs2071 y'all always bring that company up. Y'all talk about more than the people who do like it lol
@@VaughnJogVlog Hello I'm younger than you and I just want to say. You have a skill issue, it's not the game that is the problem. You just lack the brain to understand older game controls.
Tell me you never played the original games without telling me you never played the original games. This REMASTER is revamping graphics ONLY. The original tank controls are still required to play the game successfully. And I, as a bona fide 90’s kid, is HERE FOR IT.
If you struggle with the tank controls, that’s a YOU problem, not a game problem. Plenty of us finished these games without modern control settings back in 90’s on our PS1’s or PC’s.
But, I said I didn’t play them so…
@@VaughnJogVlogthat’s not the badge of honor you think it is.
Anyone who is actually passionate about Lara Croft played the original games. Tomb Raider revolutionized modern gaming and pissing on the originals says more about you being a lazy gamer. If you can’t beat the original games then just admit that YOU suck at 3D platforming.
This is what happens when there's no hand-holding, in fact, this is what I liked about old games. Nowadays, games just feel like copy&paste, designed for people that have to be babysitted, with minimap so you don't get lost, icons telling you where everything is, and arrows pointing where you have to go. Not only they play all the same but also look all the same. I completely lost interest in AAA games for 10 years now. If it wasn't for indie games, this would be the worse moment in video gaming in my life.
That's b.s. Every modern game that includes those "hand-holding" feature also includes the option to disable it in settings. You can play the new TR games as old-school or as modern as you want.
You're like that guy that couldn't beat the Cuphead tutorial! Except, at least he didn't later review the game and say it sucks because he couldn't beat it.
Frankly, if you aren't even able to play the game, then you aren't in any position to review it. This is a prime example of what many gamers hate about game critics. Your ineptitude takes center stage and essentially becomes the focus of the review. It's a 30-hour package, of which you clumsily played forty minutes of. You can't talk about the level design, the puzzle design, the challenging encounters (and I don't mean the very first jump in the second game), or any other noteworthy aspects to these classic titles. All your assertions are really just projections and are demonstrably wrong.
You have nothing interesting to say about Tomb Raider 1-3. You have no frame of reference because you didn't play them when they came out, and you are incapable of playing them now. Based on the footage you've shown, it's not even clear to me that you understand how to play these games.
I didn’t buy this package planning to trash it… though I’m especially talented at trashing games people like. See my Elden Ring and Hollow Knight reviews.
@@VaughnJogVlog well, you think you have a talent for it because it's an incredibly easy thing to do.
I'll pass on the videos, by the way. This one video was more than enough, and I'd hate to mislead TH-cam into thinking I want more of this garbage "content."
Stick to your fortnight crap for the people with no attention spans or taste for true art. The original tomb raider games are intelligently made with masterful level design and puzzle solving with just the right amount of combat.
This remaster was how remasters should be made. Toggling between old and new graphics and old and modern controls which are good once you play with them for a while. It’s a game that’s for people who can concentrate and use their brain for more than five minutes. These remasters are near perfect. You sound so dumb when you say they suck. Modern games could learn from the old games
I’ll never understand the unwillingness to get used to old gameplay. This shit is janky at first compared to new shit, but there’s a reason it was so much fun back then, and once you get used to that, it’s still the same shit.
This was a fan game, many fans of classic Lara were apart of the team. This wasn’t a remake. It was a remaster which is what we got. Classic fans didn’t want a remade game like Anniversary. I mean some do and I would play a remake of 2 if they ever do it but I paid for the remasters on Steam, Ps5 and Xbox and I’m very happy how it turned out as a classic Lara fan. The new games are cool but I don’t consider the new Lara that good. She doesn’t have the body, attitude or sense of adventure like the older Lara did.
You refunded the game after 48 minutes of playing it?
Gosh, you really didn't mind learning how to play it AT ALL and then came here making a whole video about how it sucks because you couldn't get a jump out.
New controls suck? I agree, I managed to play with it for a while but it really wasn't my cup of tea since I'm used to the tank controls (apart from the obvious missing movements). Now, the whole game was designed around the old controls, they work perfectly, it's not that hard to understand if you actually listen to what Lara says and still you chose not to understand because "you will not get used to", then you shouldn't have tried the game at all even less making this video. You knew it's an old game and that it's just a remaster, meaning they didn't change anything apart from the graphics, you should take your time to actually learn it and then make a review about it instead of being like "Oh, games had bad controls, I can't learn this, it sucks".
Who remembers those dreadful save crystals! Hours of levels having to be replayed when you die! It was epic!
So in my stream I encounter a save crystal in TR3 and didn’t realize what it was.
This remaster doesn't suck, it's actually a DREAM COME TRUE for any fan of the classics. You're just bad at the controls, that's all.
Yes, they are somewhat clunky by modern standards, but once you learn them, they feel natural and - most importantly - PRECISE.
I grew up playing the original games on PC with a keyboard and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Using the arrows to control Lara, CTRL for action and ALT for jumping is as easy as it gets. The weapons are all assigned to a number, so you don't even have to open to menu to equip a different one.
I'm loving every minute of my time with the remasters on PC. Aspyr did a fantastic job as far as I'm concerned.
Having said that, I wouldn't touch the modern controls.
Having a... 'Legendary Badass' logo then going on to give a review about how you can't make the first jump in Tomb Raider 2... that's definitely a choice.
Soooo you couldn’t get past the first levels due to a skill issue = the game is bad..?
I get the distinct impression that you haven't tried. Jumps in this game are very predictable on account of the grid system.
If you're overshooting then you need to have done a stationary jump instead of a running jump.
Retro games are not for you.
Well, everyone’s entitled to be wrong… Which you 100% are. And I know I’m eight months late to this video, but like everyone else says it’s 100% a skill issue on your part. Modern control suck… Learn the tank controls and you’ll find it so much more enjoyable experience.
I started with Tomb Raider 2 in the late 90s when I was only 12 years old and it was an amazing experience back then. Made me a Tomb Raider fan for life. You just need to learn how to play it, get used to the controls, even if it takes a few days, you will be rewarded with amazing old school Action-Adventures.
I’m very tempted to give this series another look, but force myself to do the tank controls.
TL:DWTW (Too long, didn't want to watch)
Guy played with the Modern Control scheme, which yes, has been documented time and time again is a nice idea, just currently flawed.
Game didn't hold his hand either and didn't give him a pretty waypoint, or yellow paint not-so-subtlety saying "Go here."
Guess you didn’t watch.
Doesn't suck. Anyone that grew up playing these knows this. Can't wait for 4/5/6
Edit: unable to land the first jump in TR2 damn you probably played dark souls and died and said that sucks too.
Anytime I see one of you "professional" youtubers start the video with the modern controlls I know you do not understand what you are playing.
Let me explain: Lara's movement with the tank controlls are the basis of the entire level design, puzzle design and enemy encounter meaning that controlling her is vital to the game. The modern controls where implemented for babies like you who if they don't understand something within 5s they throw a tantrum. If you'd actually spend some time and learn to understand the controls you might have made that jump but watching that seeing that you simply did not comprehend that Lara jumps the same distance every time I understand why you hate the controls. So yes, it is a skill issue, if by the 4th time doing that jump you still don't understand how far Lara jumps there is no hope for you and you should go back play roblox.
This video is an excellent showcase of an appalling gameplay, resulting from the player not having learned the controls.
I'm afraid it's not the game that sucks.
Very clickbait title. Had to watch just to totally disagree with your sentiment. I'm loving every minute of this game. The fact that the remastered changed nothing from the originals aside from the visuals is exactly why this game is great. Modernizing it for a modern gaming audience and pandering to suit current ideologies would not make this a true Tomb Raider game. The modern Tomb Raider games by Crystal Dynamics do this but they aren't true Tomb Raider games. Yes, the controls take some time to get used to. Once you get used to the default tank controls (the way it was meant to be played) its alot of fun and wholly satisfying experience. Every jump takes some planning, timing and patience. It will take a few hours to get out of the modern controls mindset for sure, though. Modern controls don't work well with the way the game was designed like a grid puzzle.
I remember paying £40 for this game with my birthday money. In all fairness, I've enjoyed playing it again in PS1 style
I remember N64 games could be really expensive compared to PlayStation titles. My local Walmart had GoldenEye 007 for $78, but none of the PlayStation prices stuck out to me. I think they might had been $50.
The analogy to the old controls being a different language to modern games is actually one that I find quite apt. It is significantly easier to learn languages when you're young or when it's the only language you're exposed to. But if you try to learn a new language as a full adult, you'll need a lot more mental adjustment to even get the basics down; hence why parents start their kids on being multi-lingual early. People talk about how they got through these games as a kid as though that was some kind of handicap, when in reality it may have been more of an advantage. Even moreso if these were the only kinds of games you spent your time on.
Actually true yeah, it's the one thing he got right
Archaic jump timing? The jumps failed in the video were meant for standing jumps not running ones.
The game released with modern controls busted on Xbox. There was no standing jump that did anything but go vertical.
I love these remasters. I have so much for fun as opposed with the walking simulator that is the reboot trilogy.
It’s not the walking sim part that bothers me with the new game so much as they’re excessively morbid. Like characters only exist so you can watch them die horribly.
Tomb raider reboots aren't tomb raider games, they're just uncharted reskined.
I finished tomb raider 1 to 7 as soon as they were brought to pc ( no console ) and finished them all, with a keyboard, without mouse.
You youngsters have no excuse 😂
the alternative to this would be to play the 25+ years old versions without any of these QoL-additions. This remaster is not perfect, but it's absolutely the best way to play these milestones of videogame-history. Tomb Raider Anniversary was a full blown new game, based on the story of TR1, so that does not count at all. Regarding the controls: the remaster defaults to the old tank-controls, while the modernised control-scheme is added as a bonus (same as the new graphics that can be toggled at will). All in all this is a fantastic deal at $30, which is what a lot of fans would have paid for just 4K60 in 4:3. Out of curiosity: what would your rating for the Metal Gear Solid Collection be?
Who else here can't stand "modern audiences"?
skill issue
I'd welcome the return of games having more unique control schemes that require a bit of a learning process instead of every game having the same controls (which is largely what see nowadays). Then it would be accepted that sometimes you have to learn a game's controls in order to enjoy them and videos like this wouldn't exist. Like we're at a point now where people regularly complain about Rockstar's games having a unique, somewhat more immersive sprinting mechanic or a guy thinks that it's legitimate to complain about not being able to learn tank controls and post it as a review. The title should have been "I Suck and Lack Basic Hand-Eye Coordination, Send Help", I give you a 2 out of 10.
So, these games suck because the gameplay wasn't changed (modernized)... And because you weren't very good at the one you rented? Also because you didn't have rose tinted sunglasses?
Correct. 🙃
At least you're honest...@@VaughnJogVlog
“Fails to take into account modern gaming conventions”
Thank god.
Almost 6 minutes of my life I'll never get back and all it really displays is a gamer who hasn't actually tried at all...
These games rock! What sucks is not to have the skill and how people got so lazy at using their brains.
Immediately came here for the comments, you suck dude, glad to see everyone agrees. This remaster is awesome, and brings back lots of nostalgia. Great!
Increase the peace
Hey dipshit, I didn’t add broken “modern” controls to this game.
When I heard about this release I was super sceptical, fearing that a modernized reboot would do away with the control scheme and the old story. Finally a game that doesn't hold your hand.
The most important topic of a review of a remaster is how close they resemble the originals. Thankfully, it seems to be close.
I've replayed the originals both on PC and Playstation numerous times, and I strongly disagree with you. These games seem to target the old fans. I hate the reboot with a passion, CD destroyed everything that made Tomb Raider, Tomb Raider. Now lets hope they bring back the other old classics as well.
I am not saying "git good", but I am saying that you should judge a product on its own merrits and take into account who it is made for.
Also i wanted to point this out as it may help you if you do play again, you dont time jumps in tomb raider. its based on distance and if you are already moving and hold the jump button she will jump when she is suppose to. Which is one square. Which is why if you ever see a video of someone playing it you'll see them walk to an edge, hop back then run jump. Its pretty much impossible to fk up the jumps in this game the minute you realise what jump to do where.
Also rolling isn't a dodge button. Its just a quick 180 turn. Its a way of quickly changing direction
Lara narrates at her home to do something like this, but you can’t with the modern controls. If the original controls were the only option, I probably would have toughed it out a little longer.
I think the state of gaming being what it is now with so many games using nearly identical controls makes adapting to these changes too difficult for me. But hey, maybe some day I’ll give it another spin.
@@VaughnJogVlog I hear theres actually workarounds for the modern controls, but honestly I tried hem once. They sucked balls. They break the camera too which is like 95% fine if you use the tank controls and use the regular look button on them. I hear theres actually hidden inputs to do the hop back on modern and you can also trigger it if you draw your guns but honestly i dont understand how they couldnt implement it properly.
They could have had one control scheme where the dpad does the old input style and the analogue do the modern and if you wanted to pivot or hop back and sidestep you could have used the dpad for those movements.
Nah. . this is exactly what long time Tomb Raider fans wanted out of this release.
Dude take down this video, you are just embarrassing yourself.
This is an awesome remaster. You can flip back to tank when needed. You don’t appreciate classic PS1 gaming
Embarrassing review - however the games woke disclaimer is way MORE embarrassing. a sick society we live in now
3:30 it's because modern games are void of almost any challenge and hold your hand all the way through. These game didn't do that. It's why I find myself playing more older games these days
I can under being a little confused, but directionless with rudimentary controls not functioning as a player would expect is entirely different. I almost wouldn’t be surprised if you had to alternately jam buttons to walk players would call it amazing simply because it’s old and they grew up with it.
@@VaughnJogVlog it was built around those controls. It's basically on a grid. As for directionless? You're meant to explore... Unlike games now that drag you through a corridor by the hand
Welcome to the time when games were challenging, hell, even hard😅😅😅
I never usually comment on youtube but wow. This has to be one of worst reviews I've ever seen.
To sum it up, you made a 5 minutes long video to say that you have skill issues.
This is a remaster, so it keeping its basic tank controls should be normal imo. The modern controls are ass I can agree on that.
If you want a different gameplay, go play a remake like anniversary or something lmao
I think its great. Seems like modern gamers are the ones that suck 🤣.
No, it's awesome and the modern controls are amazing, I played old controls my whole life but modern are much better. Even before the patches the collection was fantastic, now after patch 4 it's perfect.
What does the latest patch do?
Jeeesus, so ask for a refund and go play Anniversary or Uncharted or whatever!
I do agree it should be a bit cheaper for what they offered, but this is a serious case of "u suck, git gud".
This review sucks.