Suppressors in Queensland. A 2024 update.
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- Suppressors in Queensland- a 2024 update. It is high time that Queensland got on board with other states and territories and allowed professionals, primary producers and those assisting with pest control legal access to firearms suppressors. Feel free to leave your thoughts in the comments. #shooting #fvrcontracting #australia #queensland #qld #qldpolice #shootersunionaustralia #suppressor #rifle #legislation #makeachange #conservation #agforce #shootersunion #firearms
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Link to the second suppressor update.
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Shouldn’t just be for only professionals though. There is plenty of shooters and hunters that will also benefit from suppressors. Also ranges constantly getting noise complaints by the public this will significantly lower the overall output of noise.
And would solve a big problem at Belmont rifle range with the noise complaints
Wish I could get one to protect my pointing dogs hearing - I can wear PPE myself, but they don’t exactly make ear plugs for dogs.
They should be mandatory at ranges at a minimum
2:25 dropping the range at which you can be detected by the coppers or the nosey.
They should be CAT A and available to every licence holder.
Absolutely!
I see one way forward by a Class action lawsuit for breaches of OHS laws. Easy to test hearing loss & prove damage from shooting by the different ears damaged more by left & right hand shooters. Cheers & keep at it mate. 👍
yeah till the Australian Govt agrees that firearms are an ohs breach and bans them altogether
As an interstate professional user of suppressors I fully support everything Nathan says in this video.
They are a tool that has become an essential part of vertebrate pest management where legal - to the extent where suppressed firearms are now part of standard operating procedures for many official control programs.
I’m yet to find a situation where use of a suppressor is not a benefit.
Absolutely. I view this as being a vital change for Queensland that offers nothing other than advantages and increased safety. Thanks for commenting.
Thank you for that Nathan. Giving us a precise description of the situation in the Banana state. When I was working as a licensed gunsmith in NSW, I was asked by a professional shooter employed by a nearby council if I would fit a suppressor to his work .308. He needed it because the deer culling he had to undertake put him in close proximity to occupied houses.
I didn't have category R on my dealers license, so couldn't have them in stock, so to speak. I enquired from a manufacturer in Canberra and he was quite happy to make and supply an appropriate suppressor. The ridiculous side of the story was that the pro shooter had to purchase it from the maker, who sent it to him ( not me, the fitter and trusted Gunsmith ) who then had to bring it here in person and he was required to stay and keep me in sight while I fitted it!!! Just in case I suddenly decided to become a homicidal maniac and start shooting up the neighbourhood, because I suddenly had access to this fiendish item. LOL!
I had and still have no idea what the police commissioners think that we, the law abiding firearm owners of Australia, are going to do if we are allowed to own them. They would rather attack us, than tackle the real problem and address the state of our woeful mental health program.
I would love to be able to use a suppressor, like my Kiwi mates are allowed, because I lost 30% of the hearing in my left ear, in 1972, from firing ONE shot out of a 12g coach gun, when I forgot to fit my ear plugs and the resultant permanent hearing damage and Tinitis has plagued me for the rest of my life. Of course it was too late, but I've never fired a gun since without hearing protection.
Keep up the fight, because the ONLY way we are going to achieve success here is to address the Health and Safety side of the issue.
Every body, remember that IF A PERSON GOES BEZERK WITH A FIREARM IT IS A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE AND NOT A FIREARMS ISSUE!!!! I have always pushed this side of the argument.
Thanks for the detailed comment- im hopeful of a sensible outcome moving forwards
I agree, it is now Scientifically proven that the cheek bone transfers the soundwaves into the inner ear even if hearing protection is used. Therefore the only mitigation to hearing damage and loss is a suppressor. We need to go to court and use this angle. The UK went from ban to encouraged to enforced use of suppressor for H&S as well as for public safety as less disturbances were reported from gun shots. Hence less cop callouts too. Nathan Il give you a buzz when I am back from Shot Show in Vegas. Bastian Green
Ta Good call
Sounds good.
Well said , much appreciated!
suppressors and pump shotguns should be recategorized to cat B in QLD
Sounds like a sensible option to me. It would be great to see some of these inconsistencies resolved.
Pump shotguns are shite compared to semis.
@@SS-rd6reNPC comment.
Tips for vids. 1. Dress your set. 2. Get to the point. 3. A long winded explanation can be negated by a simple video of the same rifle being fired with and without the can. Uss a decibel meter to show the difference.
@neodutch how about instead of being critical you look at the issue at hand. The video is not there to entertain you. Not at all. Don’t watch it if you don’t like it.
Wow. That's crazy. Linking suppressors to criminality is bonkers. I'd have thought that the #1 requirement for a criminal's gun is concealment and that's much harder with a can on the front of a barrel. Here in nz they're super common, in fact i get annoyed if my hunter partners don't have one. As an audiologist I actively encourage all my clients to suppress their rifles!
Great to hear and couldn’t agree more
Illegal to use or possess in Canada
Great video mate. Thanks also for stepping up and being a voice as well as volunteering, shooters as a group need to band together more as Ozzie touched on.
100% agree. I fully support any field based/ hunting/ fishing / firearms/ bow/ working dogs issue. We absolutely need to stand together and support all disciplines within the field.
The biggest problem is that those who oppose the use of suppresors believe what they see in movies and television with the use of "silencers". They truly believe you could shoot a firearm in a room of a house and not hear it in another. The term silencer being used in the media is as annoying as high powered rifle.
100%. Correct terminology is important.
As an expat Kiwi living in NSW, I can't believe that suppressors are not fully legal for all long rifle firearms users across the country. A classic example of public perception overriding facts in the firearms law space in this country.
G'day,
As an Australian, 4th-gereration, I'm very glad that "suppressors" aka "silencers" are largely banned in Oz.
Yes, Firearms are Tools.
Yes, they can be used safely.
And, yes, they are also the
Tool of Choice for the
Suicidally Depressed, if the
Individual has access to a Firearm...; and,
Yes, some people experiencing
Suicidal Ideation do in fact fantasise and plan to
"Go out in a blaze of 'Glory'...".
And, considering the last of the above cases,
If some silly miserable depressed poor Buggar wants to blow away their own breathing-rights, then so be it - if the Gun is lawfully acquired and they have only the ONE Target in mind...; but if such a person decides to open fire on a bunch of Strangers, hoping to take an "Honour-Guard" with them as they go to "Valhalla" - then,
Point-1..., My expectation is that any such Fantasist will probably be likely to miss on their
First shot, & also with many of their subsequent ones too (the Dickhead with the SKS at Strathfield Shopping-Centre in the mid 1980s fired 60 rounds, he hit 15 people (so 3/4 of everything he fired at - he missed...) & of the 15 people he did hit, 7 of them died, including himself with a self administered Head-shot...
The REASON why he didn't have more Strangers available and in view, to use as Targets to shoot at..., was that his SKS was very bloody LOUD...; and everybody else heard it - and ran away screaming.
Banning "Suppressors" gives we
The
CitiZenry
A
RUNNING Chance,
The next time a
Licenced Shooter gets pissed on a
Friday Night, smacks his 3rd missus in the head, she runs off screaming to call the Cops - and the Big Game Safari Hunter plays
Chemical
Exothermic-Reaction powered
Ballistic-Billiards with the Cops...;
Scoring an In-Off Two-for-One....(!),
By firing a Soft Lead 0.303 Rimmed Cartridge at the Bitumen driveway, in front of two approaching PoLice Officers, from his upstairs Balcony - and the Round
"Splashed" as it ricocheted, with fragments going through the cheeks of the Male Officer & lodging in the neck of the Female, dropping them both.
A teenage Civilian ran out to help the female Probationary Constable to pull them behind Cover, and staunch the bleeding - while the Great White Drunk-Hunter dutifully headshot the stupid bloody armed Drunk who generated all the mess.
Look it up....
"Two Police Shot In Glen Innes NSW....".
It was at the time, 51 years since anybody had shot at the Cops around here....; and back then it was two runaway teenagers from Melbourne with a sawn-off Shotgun - the 15 year-old firing out the broken back window, the 13 year-old driving, in a 26 mile Car Chase from Emmaville. They hit nothing, and were out of ammo when the Shottie was pointed, and dry-fired, at the face of the Cop who found them hiding in long grass - after the inevitable prang.
This bloke ranting herein shoots Feral Pests in Queensland..., for his living ; he's chosen to become a
Professional Civilian
Gun-Fetishist,
Killing for Hire, Reward, Profit and the pure
Pleasure of hitting his selected
Mark...
He does NOT face any "unfair"
Competition from Shooters interstate, because if Interstate Shooters go to QLD, then they have to shoot there, under QLD Rules, Regulations & Laws.
Professional Shooters can ALREADY access things which other people cannot, like Semi-Automatic Long-Arms and Long-Arms featuring Pistol-Grips...; they already have access to much more firepower than Oz PoLice are comfortable with having to worry about being used against them.
Professional Shooters
ALREADY live in a mindset whereinat they consider themself to be fully
ENTITLED to classify
Living Beings as being
Useful & permitted to live, or
Verminous and Pestilential and to be
Killed on sight...; the nature of the work ONLY attracts and retains those individuals who are comfortable with killing the Living, for their own
Convenience, Profit, or Pleasure...
And, apparently, this bloke "simply" can't see why the
Laws of the Land should not be
Overturned,
To permit him to sneak around
QUIETLY Shooting at what he calls
Vermin...
For his personal greater CONVENIENCE, while fantasising that he'll thus become a more
PROFITABLE
Busynessman...
The reason why it is illegal to carry ANY Weapon in Oz..., purely,
"In case it may be useful for Self Defence...",
Is that NOBODY whose Worldview is so warped by Paranoid Persecution Fantasies as to admit to feeling uncomfortably
Fearful, whenever they are not actually in-possession of some form of a weapon...; are not fit nor propper people to be let loose in Society, with ANY kind of a Firearm..
Which is why there is a
"Trick Question" on the Shooters' Licence Application Form - to entice all such dangerous Lunatics to identify themselves...; as they do, to their own great shock & surprise..., thereby finding themselves not only rejected - but also banned from reapplying for a couple of years (I think...?).
My strong suspicion is that this bloke who posts Gun-Promotional Videos, and who wants to overturn Australia's Gun Laws, all dressed up in his cute little Paramilitary Shooting-Suit ; probably also wishes with all his dark little embittered Heart that he was allowed to swagger about with a big heavy-duty Handgun on his hip, too - for "Self(ish) Defence" ; against
Whatever Paranoid Persecution Fantasy he might dream up..., of which to be
Permanently
AFEARED, AFRIGHTED, &
DEEPLY
AFRAID....(?).
But, of course,
One
May be wrong...(!).
(My personal average Bullshit Content varies from 1.7% to 9.7%..., averaging around 5% ; so maybe you can identify some errors in the above Analysis ?).
The PoLice in Oz are
Far and away
Too scared of the
Population..., to
EVER permit the remaining
Licensed
Gun Owners to be able to
Open Fire
QUIETLY...,
Whenever the next one of them has a
Drunken
Ballistic
Temper
Tantrum...(!).
Just(ifiably ?) sayin'.
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
@@WarblesOnALot Please take your meds.
@@LabiaLicker
G'day,
Thanks for the gratuitous attempt to practice Medicine without a licence.
As it happens, I'll grant you a glimpse of your own personal future, based on your Channel Name....;
Labia Licker....
I, too, used to seduce Sweet Young Things, for the fun of it.
Cunnilingus was one of my favourite
Activities.
While yodelling in the
47th and final Canyon, in 1999 though ;
Guess who thereinat encountered
Human Papilloma Virus,
One time too
Many...(?).
In 2018 my right Submandibular Lymph Node swelled up a bit & didn't quite subside, in 2022 it was becoming noticeable in the mirror, so I took my Lumpy Neck to the Doctor.
Having scouted in a Radical Neck Dissection in 1982, I knew, that the Lymph Node was a Secondary Tumour, and I'd been enjoying the time remaining before presenting for treatment - which I fully expected to be mutilating Surgery ; which would be unsuccessful as a "Cure", as well as leaving me speechless.
But,
The Times Have Changed.
Instead of chopping me into a quivering pain-filled remnant, they had me sit still for 20 Teeth to come out - making way for all the Radiation which had to be beamed at 6.1 MegaVolts through my Face, Neck & upper Chest - Nose to Nipples.
2 Grays of Radiation per day, 5 Days per week, for 7 weeks giving 70 Grays across 12.5% of my body mass...
10 Grays, whole body...., kills 99/100 individuals so treated, 6 Grays kills 50/100 & 2 Gray's kills 5% ; so I "only" took 87.5% of enough Radiation to kill an average person.
For Light Relief, every Tuesday it was off to the Chemotherapy Ward for 70mg of Cis-Platin, IV, so I copped 490mg of that Cytotoxic Potion - about half enough for a kill (1 Gram is the L/D 100).
And, 3 months after completing the Head-Cooking Sessions in the Linear-Accelerator, with IV Cytotoxic Chasers - the PET-Scan found,
"A complete metabolic response..."
And since then, 2 follow up CT Scans at the 6 month marks have also shown me to have
Bin-Cured of
Lickety-Split Disease,
Cunt-Licker's Cancer....
When you go to the Mid North Coast Cancer Institute there's a Wall of Pigeonholes full of Brochures, a different one for all the kinds of Cancer they treat there...
The Head, Neck & Throat Cancer Brochure informed me that there was no strong evidence linking my
Locally Advanced Stage-4 Malignant Metastatic Squamous Cell Carcinoma of the Right Tonsil to
Tobacco Smoking, or Alcohol Drinking, nor to eating overly hot food, or highly spiced food.
But..., it told that ALL such Cancers had Human Papilloma Virus, and or Herpes Virus, and or Cytomegalovirus growing in their Tumours - and that, like Cervical, Vaginal & Rectal Cancer...; the Tonsil Cancer which I had - was a Sexually Transmitted Disease...(!).
And 23 years of voluntary Celibacy (in response to my own shithouse taste in Partners - "Acquired Shit Magnet Effect", wherein each successive one is WORSE than the previous screaming howling Banshee of a Bitch...; until one finally stops, and after that one's life becomes quite tranquil and enjoyably free from Drama and Chaos & Disaster....),
Did not at all save me from having to deal with
CuntLicker's Cancer.
After getting my Head cooked,
I lived on Fruit-juice, Porridge, Sustagen, Peanut Butter, & Banana Smoothies for 18 months - until my Gums hadrecovered enough from getting cooked, to have a second attempt at
Plastic Fangs.
The first set, 4 months after the treatment finished, took my Gums back to bare Jawbone - setting my recovery back at least 6 months
I bloody nearly starved. 70 Kg down to 55 or so.
Not fun.
And, although I do still have 260 mls left, unused, of the 400 mls which they gave me of Oral Morphine, at 5 mg/ml (and 10 mg is a medium dose....) ; beyond drinking too much Whiskey at night, I am not actually prescribed any "medications"...
I simply know a
Lot more about a
Lot of things, than
You might like to think that
You
Do....
Backtrack me to my
"Warbles In The Wilderness..."
Playlist,
Therein to locate & view,
"THE LONG RUN.... ; (Abridged !)"
to get the backstory of how I
began as a priapistic teenage
Root-Rat..., an actual
Cad and a Bounder, talking the
Pants off agreeable young ladies more or less as a hobby...
Until I finally encounterd and courted and married the
Collective emotional, psychological and psychiatric
Damage which I'd done to the female half of the Universe, while breaking all those Hearts for the fun of recreational pursuit of the slippery friction of
Mucous Membranes...;
All wrapped up in the one
Thermonuclear-grade of
Crazy lady....
Which was/is my
Just(ifiable ?) Deserts,
Indeed.
It's pretty funny.
Due to the subject matter, it's a
Classical
Ballad, written in
Rhyming
SEXTUPLETS...!
(I was appointed Poet-In-Residence by the Environment Centre Armidale, in 1997..., replacing Judith Wright. Banjo Patterson shares my birthday, both in a Chinese "Year of the Ox".
I dunno why, but I'm able to compose serious kick-arse Poetry...)
So, there ye go,
And now
Ye know...;
That the more Pussies you personally
Lick,
Then the more likely you are to
Finish up like this here
Little old
Toothless, &
Mostly tasteless,
Mangy-lookin',
Recovering
Zombie....(!).
It's NOT at all like
Being alive used to be....
But it beats joining the
Daisy
Up-Pushing Brigade ;
Which I was on-track to do
In September 2022.
Have you kept track of how many different Clitorii you've nibbled ?
Do you now know
How close are you,
To
The one which is
Goanna try to
Kill you...,
For your recklessly
Selfish &
BOASTFULLY
Promiscuous
Pussylicking ?
Hopefully
Now,
You actually know something
Worth knowing, and
Thinking about.
Such is life,
Have a good one.....
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
@@WarblesOnALot 😂 no one is going to read that dribble mate....
@@WarblesOnALotYou’re unhinged and ignorant in fact clueless
Well said Nathan,
You would think after the regulator "Worksafe Queensland" has acknowledged there is an issue with firearms noise in the workplace, "QCAT" recommended that parliament make changes to the legislation regarding suppressors and QPS using suppressors for health and safety compliance you would have expectations that the required changes be made in a timely fashion.
Hi James. Yes, you would certainly expect some form of timely response as opposed to the complete lack of response and misinformation that has been offered thus far.
What about those of us who use firearms outside of employment/professional environments? Don't we have a right to protect our hearing? However, I agree that getting the changes based on OHS opens the door to further changes.
Great video. Being an American I think it is ridiculous that our suppressors are so highly regulated. I can own a high-capacity, large caliber, semi-automatic rifle, but I must ask special permission to suppress its report. I think the Aussies and Brits have it right. A suppressor is only polite, keep the noise down.
Absolutely agree 👍
The best way for non-gun people to understand what a suppressor does is the equate them to a car muffler. You just said this while I was typing. Non=professionals also have hearing that needs to be protected. How is it logical to require noise suppression in every other context but not for all those legally using firearms?
I agree with you but small steps first. 👍
They were both invented by the same man.
Great video Nathan. Suppressors should be available to all licensed firearms owners. Sadly, these ridiculous laws are a result of politicians and senior police watching way too many movies and ignoring the facts. There is not one defendable reason why suppressors can’t be available to all licensed firearms owners. Why should we, and future generations of shooters, have to put up with such discrimination and utter nonsense.
Great video, couldn't be explained better. It's crazy to think that the only negative comparison relies on criminals following the law to even make the point valid. How many signatures would be in support to align the laws with common sense and oh&s requirements. Best of luck. I can only imagine the frustration.
Under the "Hierarchy of hazard control" as used in all Work health and safety requirements, there are a number of steps to be taken to manage a hazard including noise. These are legal requirements and are to be done in order starting from "Elimination of hazard", "Substitute the hazard", "Isolate the hazard", "Engineer out the hazard", "Implement administrative controls", and "Provide personal protective equipment". The use of PPE is the last resort. Suppressors fit into the third or fourth step and therefore, have legal priority, but we are denied these devices. A legal class action may be required.
Workplace health and safety Queensland guidelines state.
Personal hearing protectors should not be used as a substitute for engineering or administrative noise control measures.
And
PPE is the least preferred option on the hierarchy of control risk Matrix and should only be used after all higher-level controls have been exhausted.
Safe Work Australia.
The risk of Occupational noise induced hearing loss is increased by relying too much on and improperly using personal hearing protectors such as ear muffs and plugs.
Concise summary of this issue
Hi, I was also an Officer in the Army for 12 years and have also had 30 plus years in the mining and energy industry and was SSE (Site Senior Executive) at a number of mines. The appointment as an SSE is a statutory role under Qld mining legislation as is senior role on site ultimately accountable for safety and health. Your process is, I believe , quite sound. My experience with state regulators is that they tend to move very quickly when a trend or pattern of injury claims seeking compensation emerges. In this case, if you had a number people who have been injured - eg hearing loss etc - put injury claims in clearing linking the injury to inadequate available controls - ie controls which government has banned - you are very likely to get their attention and action. I’m happy to discuss further.
Thanks for the comment. Happy to have a chat. That may be our next step should the government continue their current approach.
@@FVR375 happy to help. Let me know when suits.
Queensland policy makers have watched too many 007 movies.
Cheers Nathan for that bit of info. As a member of the shooting union why couldn't we get a petition going on getting changes to the laws about suppressors thru the union membership it's just another angle to put some pressure on them to look at it sometimes with enough voices could help you Cheers mick
G’day Mick. Shooters Union are front and centre on this issue and are proactively following through on the many processes we have engaged in to date. I would expect that you will definitely hear alot more about the suppressor issue in Qld from Shooters Union in the coming weeks.
Cheers for that as I'm only a recreational Shooter and at the latter end of the age scale protecting my hearing is really important and I personally think too many of these people in power of making the decision watch too many movies and think and believe that's how they operate they've got know idea because I have a couple of politicians through marriage in the family and they hate guns tried to explain things to them and educate them as I'm from a farming background but I might as well talk to the wall I'd get more comonsence 😅😅😅
I think education of the public on firearms use ,benefits,and policies would be a great start,as mick reading has said in his comments ,talking to some people about firearms is like beating ya head up against a brick wall.even the people that are making the policies and categorisations,aren’t probably all that educated to make them, I think that the benefits far out way the cons .my point of view for gun safety is always been the fact is a criminal is not going to go through correct avenues to get a suppressor or rifle etc to do a mass shooting.
Good video i am a huge advocate for changing suppressors to a category allowing licenced firearm owners access to them here in qld, its a real shame that it was placed in the wrong category R in the first place, is there anyway to get a generic letter made up so I can put my name on it and forward it to politicians etc to request a category change? I know ozzie is also pushing this change aswell is Bob katter onboard with this? let's move forward in 2024 cheers
The Katter party are definitely supportive of these sorts of common sense changes and have assisted in the ministerial submission process. 👍
Good on you keep it up . I have significant hearing loss to my right ear from shooting and yes I have used hearing protection at all times it doesn't work . In the hunting prospective it's very unsafe to have hearing protection as you need to hear what's around you to , like your hunting buddy or othere sounds to properly identify what's around you before you take the shot . If there are suppressors out there that work we'll and could possibly stop hearing loss like I have that are illegal then what is stopping them making them legal . shooting with suppressors are much safer for the shooter and people around you.
Cheers to you Nathan, great explanation of what a suppressor is and how they work. It really is surprising to hear that suppressors aren't yet legal in Queensland. Just goes to show how even if you are frequent with guns and their "respected" laws within Australia you still tend to not get the whole picture or right information. Not many people to blame but my self really as i've never really had a need to think about suppressors. Once again cheers to you and yours and thank you for the work you do to control the spread of wild pest and misinformation. We need more like you 🍻
Thanks for the kind words.
One of the stupid regulations that our government haven’t taken up
Suppressors are very popular here for hunting and to lesser degree competition shooting
They should be available to all shooters not just professionals
I hope your government see sense on this issue
Thanks for the comment and absolutely agree.
A government seeing sense? That will be the day!
The hearing protection offered is vital, I live in Northern Ireland and we are allowed to use them, for that very reason and are noted on our Firearm Permit!
When I lived in Australia I was involved with Health and Safety in an industrial setting and was surprised just how tough they were on noise reduction in the workplace!
Pest and vermin control especially on introduced species is critical, suppressors would be vital to carry out this task! Walking around wearing ear defenders is not the answer in a hunting scenarios,
Hunting near livestock is much safer with suppressors with no animals stampeding into fallen timber and barbed wire!
It’s a no brainer!
Could not agree with you more!!!
All licensed users should have access to suppressors. We're too heavily restricted in this country.
Most (some?) politicians think criminals will wander around like Jame Bond, shooting people without being heard. However a suppressor will not "silence" a hunting rifle, it just reduces the sound level so you don't suffer ear damage. It seems like a no-brainer to allow professional shooters to have access. It also seems like a no-brainer to make them legal for any firearm owner to use on any rifle that shoots supersonic rounds.
Well stated & thank you. It is my belief that anyone that has a firearms licence in Australia should also have the option of using a suppressor & should have it locked away with their firearm. Its as simple as that. I don’t need to make long winded reasons, pro’s & con’s etc, as long as the suppressor is used with the same safety & care as the firearm is used, they do not offer any added issue. Opposed groups & their agenda’s are well advised by this common sense approach.
Living in Western Australia and taking more than a keen interest in all things shooting, it seems in every state there are moves been made to further restrict and disarm the LFO general public in many and diverse ways possible. It means we are constantly under attack from many sides for simply loving our chosen activity in a legal and safe way. To be honest this is not the time to rest on our backsides with an ill conceived “she’ll be right mate” or to pretend there is nothing wrong with a head in the sand attitude.
As Ozzie Reviews passionately informs us we need to unite and action our endeavours both at a state and national level. This blight on our horizon with minority groups, weak politicians, over eager bureaucrats, headline grabbing press and an ill informed public is a perfect storm threatening to devour us and send us into obscurity forever. There are sadly among our number those who for selfish reasons and their own survival are only to willing to throw us (fellow LFO’s) under the bus. But work together we must if we are to survive and remain and not allow others to sacrifice us on their narrow minded alter to some idealistic cause. ( what a boring life they must have.)
Our rights and freedoms are under attack from every quarter, too many to name, so let’s fight back.
Remember WE elected them, they are there to serve us NOT to dictate how we are to live and steal from us our freedoms and choices.
Please get connected with Politics Reloaded and stay informed and together we can fight against this in every state whether it be shooting, hunting, collecting, sport, whatever.
If the new proposed gun laws become law in Western Australia it will wipe Of 50%of all licensed shooters. In west Australia the ssaa in west Australia does not seem to want to help shooters out against the proposed new w.a gun laws even if they have been a member for 28 years all I get from many members is am Al right your fucked
Why don't Australian firearm manufacture's? such as Lithgow, Warick, Wedgetail etc. Make a one-piece barrel with a non removeable moderator. Is there a law that a firearm has to be over a specific dB.
In Vic heaps of fellas without permits use suppressors. You get them online as a “oil filter” for around $30, they’re not as effective as a proper purpose built suppressor but they do help…. Apparently.
Wow can't believe it's not legal in Queensland
Not legal except for the select few in any state. I have industrial hearing issues and would like to keep what hearing I have but I am not allowed to use the most appropriate method of doing so. If it didn't have something to do with firearms, we would be being attacked by some government agency for not using them.
They should be legal for anyone with any category of weapon license to buy.
The only reason they're banned is because politicians literally based their gun laws off Hollywood movies, and think suppressors are only for assassins. It's the same reason pump shotguns are banned, but button release (which are faster than pumps) / lever release / straight pull shotguns are totally fine, because pump actions were popular in movies back then and looked scary.
Due to hearing loss from exposure to firearm discharges, i humbly ask if you can either:
A. Adjust the volume in your videos
B. Use an external microphone.
I really struggled to hear your excellent presentation.
Well played sir.
@@FVR375 The audio levels in the follow up video are much, much better. Thank you. Still can't hear much over the eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee but it helped heaps
Great video Nathan... I'm also a vertebrate pest controller in Central Queensland and I have spoken with weapon's licencing about using suppressors for my work however they weren't interested. In fact the officer I first spoke to wouldnt stop cslling them silencers and even referred to the john wick movies as to why they are so dangerous which is completely false. .. I did speak with the head of weapon's licencing and he asked me to get letters from stockholders and neighbouring properties ect but also said that it wont help but they would like a laugh at the office.... if you want to chat at all feel free to flick me a message
Disappointing but not surprising to hear. Qld Weapons Licensing is a self licking icecream that performs its role poorly at best utilising public servants who have clear agendas. I’ll provide further updates as we progress. Please keep pressure on this issue. Ministerials and raising through your local MP.
In the heirarchy of hazard mitigation the first is elimination while the last is PPE. So a suppressor most definitely should be used before hearing protection is required.
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And one day this brief might become "available" and you are correct, we are being stone walled. The ducking and weaving when I have been in meetings wit the minister and QPS, they all point in any direction other than themselves.
Thanks for the time, effort and resilience in fighting nonsensical ,non factual politics .
I am originally from New Zealand I am stunned that suppressors are banned. I can see future litigation for pest controllers and general usage of the public due the inability to be able to use suppressor. It's like banning helmets for cyclists
100 % agree.
I am just amazed by the fanfare some countries have over suppressors.
Here in South Africa we got some draconic laws,but we can get a suppressor just about anywhere,without any sort of permit or license.
Just one point though,suppressors can be accurate,but in no wag more so over a brake. I will still use a brake for competition shooting.
And thank you for your Shooters Union Support....... VP-DB here :-)
Thanks DB. I hope we are starting to get to a point where we are running this to ground.
Laws based on feelings, not facts.
Australia, the nanny state
Look at the Hierarchy of controls in work place health and saftey Qld, The top 2 controls sort the issue out straight up .
Eliminating the hazard and risk is the highest level of control in the hierarchy, followed by reducing the risk through substitution, isolation and engineering controls, then reducing the risk through administrative controls.
As an interested Aussie city dweller who believes meat comes from a supermarket, do the suppressors affect the velocity or accuracy of the bullet? The answer is completely inconsequential, as I don’t plan to own a gun as the supermarkets are usually fully stocked, although the higher end cuts are dodgy af often.
As a general rule there is a limited effect on velocity depending on design. Accuracy is generally improved over a bare barrel given the recoil, blast and muzzle jump reduction. All the benefits of a muzzle brake but less noise.
Absurd they’re banned, over here in NZL 100% legal excellent devices. Ignorance by your lawmakers. Once you use one you will never go back.
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I genuinely think your guys government is better than ours, ours are fear mongers that want to control everything.
Why is it ok for government agencies to use them because OHS issues and not for the rest of us
That is certainly one of the core issues here.
After 11 years of Australian army firearms use and sports shooting for 50 years i am deaf in my left ear even after using ear protection my right ear is severly damaged so now its ear plugs with muffs over the top Suppressors would have helped a lot
Absolutely. In the same boat.
An effective muffler on your motor vehicle is a legal requirement whereas a muffler on your rifle is at best for most, a signifigant legal hurdle or a simply bridge too far with too much paperwork & stuffing around.
Be careful & considerate of who you vote for, support only those who support us.
I would consider utilising the FOI act bro initially to discern how your correspondence & comms have been handled administratively. They are public servants and are bound by their own rules, processes and procedures. The APS in the country has now got a good track record of dismissing the public , yet appears to have done so outside of their remit in numerous cases. Most folks just bow their heads and and walk away. For example you may find that your correspondence has not made it past the desk of an individual who does not have the authority to withhold your RFI/ comms from going further …yet bins it. Trust me, you are entitled to ask under the FOI act. Duty First,
Those processes are in place, it is just not a short timeframe to receive information through that channel 👍
@@FVR375 I get it bro....took me a decade to learn how to navigate FOI and the Information Comminsioner. The big key...use their words not yours.
In many countries suppressors/moderators are mandatory. They reduce the sound by about 30 db, enough to reduce distress to wildlife, stock, other people and the shooter. They do not silence the sound. They do not make the firearm dangerous or the shooter dangerous. They are restricted for purely restricted for fact free political reasons and firearms hatred reasons, not for practicable reasons. They should be available for all licensed shooters.
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Have you tried Bob Katter MP to see what he can do, after all he is a shooter.
And i am pretty sure that suppressors were legal in Qld donkey years ago i remember going to the range in Townsville as a kid and there were half a dozen or more rifles with suppressors being used.
Just another avenue you might want to look into, past use in the state might get the door ajar for you.
Anyway all the best in your endeavours Rob.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, this issue is well embedded within the right political circles.
Saying that a suppressor is like a muffler on a car is quite a good way to explain it to somebody who has no idea. It is quite reasonable for cars to have mufflers and you can still hear the car with the muffler.
It is a very valid comparison.
"Silencer" is the correct term as per the original pattern, suppressor came about later to more accurately describe what they do. One of the main things a silencer will do is suppress the muzzle flash, you might say they are even better at that than suppressing the sound, but we don't call them flash hiders (yes I'm aware they are a separate thing you can use but the point still stands). What's funny is how back like 10yrs ago if you called it a silencer some "tactical timmy" would "correct" you by telling you it's actually a suppressor, now we seem to be coming full circle again & a lot of people are returning to calling it a silencer, funny how things ebb & flow like that over time.
Indeed it is amusing. Language changes to suit the particular agenda of the time.
Why is the WHS legislation not cover the ears of the normal recreational shooter. Our ears are just as important to us as they are to professionals. I wouldn’t like to lose my hearing and using PPE may help your ears but can be dangerous in disabling your ability to be aware of all your surroundings… A class action on WHS legislation is a great idea..
I wholeheartedly agree with you but it will fall outside the workplace definition as rec shooting is voluntary. That said. There will be ways and means once we have them
Out of cat R.
SSAA Belmont has calibre restrictions due to noise issues from houses adjacent the range ( if they don’t like the sound of gunfire why did they move so bloody close to the largest shooting complex in Brisbane ) suppressors would aid in reducing if not eliminating the noise complaints
It is so ridiculous that suppressors are in the same category as rocket launchers
Like you said criminals aren’t going to apply for a suppressor If a criminal wanted a suppressor they would make one
The only reason the police don’t allow suppressors is because someone in the department just doesn’t want people to have firearms let alone suppressors as it seems the only response they can give when someone requests suppressors is “ because public safety “
Have you made contact with Work Safe QLD for there perspective?
A bit of inter departmental antics might throw some weight on the benefits of sound management.
Good insight.
Hollywood shouldnt be a point of reference for legislators. ever.
You lost me at officer! 😂
Jokes. I don't know what happened to the NFA, it needs to be overhauled and legislated at a federal level to start with a clean slate and the same categorisation of the same weapon platform, the same storage requirements, the same registration process and suppressors available as per NZ laws and each sup registered and recorded to an individual weapon platform.
Good luck with the process of changing state law brother.
The government wants us to use quiet cars and quiet bikes but not quiet guns.
And in New Zealand its normal to have suppressors on any fire arm
I tend to think that a large part of any resistance to change in regulatory departments, and non firearms owning public in general is the perception of firearms as weapons. Those of us who hold licenses don't own weapons. We own firearms. The use of the term 'weapons' infers an offensive or defensive posture. I, like many others own several firearms for different purposes. None of them are weapons.
Thankyou for your efforts Nathan. Maybe common sense will prevail at some stage. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
Agree with the points on terminology. Typical of Qld that both our normal and concealable firearms licenses are labeled‘weapons licenses’.
I'm not holding my breath, thanks mate. Far north Queensland
2:03 Calling it a 'silencer' is very correct. That was its original name. The term 'suppressor' came about in the USA to appease gun control proponents who opposed the device and were lobbying for its complete ban
Not very accurate in terms of its function though. A suppressed firearm with supersonic ammunition is still very loud.
@@FVR375 That it is! I get SO ANNOYED at how they are depicted in movies - like it's whisper quiet... then people outside the gun community think it's like that in real life, and want it banned 🙄
so its basically like a car muffler to make the automobile comply with decibel level so people don't incur hearing damage? is it a safety device?
Yes thats correct
Put a serial no on a suppressor the same as a firearm that way it can be traced by police , in the unlikely event that it gets used in a crime , they can track it down and find out how it got into the wrong hands
A common sense measure
In VIC they are, under their permit system - need to be secured and stored like ammo- separately, and not in possession or used by those not licensed
The biggest Suppressor = The Queensland Government 😂😂😂
Keep up the G8 work Nathan. It will happen. I’ll call soon.
I believe any professional shooter or any sporting shooter should have the option of using a suppressor or not. 100% a health and safety issue. Here in WA they are restricted also I don't understand why. I see all benefit if there is a down side its the length added having to getting your barrels threaded for the suppressors.
Absolutely. It makes any firearm longer and less concealable.
it would to be able to have them down here in Tasmania were alot of the gun owner do pest control for farmer , thank for the update was very interesting
I would have picked you for a Kiwi Nathan, pretty close accent ( sorry mate), anyway you are right suppressors are allowed here in NZ and they make a great difference especially when rabbit shooting ( with a .22). But no country is perfect , in NZ we can't have semi auto's larger than .22 but suppressors are legal, whereas you can have use bigger calibre semi auto's in you business but no suppressors. Go figure. Cheers from NZ, Phil.
I can see it now primary producers and contract shooters will get the suppressors because licensing will re- 11:41 categories them as Cat D but that won’t benefit everyone as the majority of shooters are A/B licensed people that will see no change. I believe u need to approach the government and qld licensing to legalise it for A/B license holders that way it’ll make it legal across the board otherwise it’ll benefit some but not all…
I agree but these things tend to take multiple steps. It makes sense that they become available to all shooters and are perhaps placed in Cat A but i think initially the argument will move forwards more quickly on the grounds of WHS for occupational shooters.
Great video mate. What battalions did you post to?
1 RAR. 8/9 RAR. 👍
Just as a point of curiosity under work place safty act anyone with hearing loss due to the neglect the government is showing should be able to sue the government for neglect. They are aware of the issues and know that something should be done but do nothing. Any other business is liable why not test it that way?
In short. Funding.
The perception that suppressors or as they are incorrectly referred to as silencers are only used for some form of criminal activity is a prime example of agenda based points of view which the media has a love affair with. There is zero reason that they should be in any way limited in use or in fact be prohibited in QLD. As a registered firearms owner and user for most of my adult life these kinds of laws are ludicrous to be honest. Range shooting under suppressed fire would be nothing more than a plus outweighing any other argument of perceived criminal nature.
We need to first change the woke trajectory of government otherwise we're going nowhere
🇦🇺😎👍19700subscribers and I’ve just found you in 5 years. TH-cam is holding you’re videos back mate
Thanks. Will be doing a fair bit more on TH-cam in the next 12 months 👍
The problem IMO is that the states have circumvented the constitution in regards to separation of powers and sate. Police should not be involved in legislation and law making their job is law enforcement. You have stumbled onto a way bigger problem here, you should not have to approach the enforcers for legislative change this should be a government issue.
The problem is that is has become a self licking ice cream as the legislators now refer to the police for advice on these matters.
Is it odd that the same people that push for quieter cars are also the same people that are against suppressors?
Qld needs state forest hunting, supressors and day light savings please
100%. Agree with all of that.
Agree with the first 2
Agree with the first 2
Gday Nathan, Tassie is even harder on Professional Shooters, than what your dealing with, appearance , Mag Capacity, centrefire semiauto, 5 rounds, no hope of getting Suppressors, unless your a Government employee, then you get exemption from Mag Cap & Suppressors.
Cheers mate
Meanwhile in New Zealand everyone and his dog has got one .
But criminals obtain firearms 10x easier through the black market so why do we have such regulation on our attachments and firearms in general
I have heard people say it will only take a week to get your hands on a hand gun sydney people get caught all the time with 30 round Mags in Sydney 😂 gun laws are a joke in this country
Explain why we "shouldn't" have MGs?
Machine Guns? What relevance does that have to the topic at hand? None.
I can't hear what you are saying, turn your volume up.
Not surprised, Australia isn't called the Nanny State for no reason.
There is a way around it mate ; move out of QLD to where you can have them
Ha. There are very few things I dislike about Qld. This issue just needs a common sense solution
Criminals use silencers in Hollywood, nasty things those silencers
Yep. Only in hollywood
Our firearms license should cover all types of firearms and accessories and the permit system and registry should be abolished
Good info and well presented mate.
As a qualified armourer and a primary producer, I appreciate the accuracy of your information and the effort you are putting into the cause.
The restrictions on firearms suppressors make about as much sense as restricting the use of mufflers on motor cars and motorbikes.
However, we ironically see firearms suppressors effectively banned and the use of internal combustion engine suppressors (mufflers) mandated and enforced by law. It shows how little understanding of the facts, and function of the devices, our law makers actually have.
Maybe for a little more intelligence cred, you should leave out the part of being a former grunt.
Yours sincerely, former RAEME Gun Plumber 😉
Thanks for the detailed reply and love the grunt comment. Cheers 👍
I also like that we chose the same structure for our office/man cave. Great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ...you choose.
The law does not like them because hitmen in movies use them what a joke 🤣🤣🤣
An absolute joke like much of our inconsistent and inaccurate firearms legislation
Considering the vast majority of serious crime involving firearms is committed with handguns, rather than long arms, the criminality issue is a non issue - unfortunately, the anti gun advocates watch too many movies and think the criminal fraternity are all going to start running around like assassins seen in movies silently zapping each other - if anything, crims like the fact that there are loud reports when a gun is fired as it makes bystanders either run or hit the deck thus reducing the likelihood the shooter can be identified.
Meanwhile criminals carry on using what they like,to them gun control is irrelevant.
We shouldn't have access to select fire guns? bite your tongue.... Also couldn't care less about this issue, if REGULAR gun owners can't have them who cares.
This is the first step to opening it up to sporting shooters in Qld. The biggest issue across shooting / field sports in Australia is people from different disciplines not supporting each other
And everyone who watched this video through is now on a watch list
what about gun clubs
Certainly- i think they should be available to all sectors but there is value in starting under WHS legislation for professionals at the start
Putting a supressor on a semi auto isnt worth it just for pest control or rec shooting. You should look into the cancer rates due to the gas. Thats why a bunch of companies are racing to be the first to eliminate the gas blow back from them. Bolt guns or manually cycled firearms would be fine but its not worth it imo if you look into all the studies that have been done in the US
Another expert. Our Cat D rifle for PP use is a piston driven AR 308, which does not have gas venting in the action like a direct impingement system. Not something you will need to concern yourself with.
@@gw5436 wow thankyou so much for the reply fudd reject but not all cat d are piston there are direct impingement rifles too. Ociania and wedgetail are both direct. Clown
@@gw5436 ociania and wedgetail both direct impingement you clown
@@KipKil1iganlook at your first comment. You lumped all semi's together. You can have your opinion but you do not have to be rude about it. You could have ignored the expert comment and most would see you as the better person. You have a valid point but it is overshadowed by your retaliation (name calling). We are all on the same side after all. Have a great day...
@@chrisgosling8773 welcome to the internet boso
First of all I have to commend you on your patience. Second I have to commend you on your diligence fighting for what we all think is common sense. It's likely a tough fight because common sense doesn't exist in government. And as you are finding out, we have no rights or democracy, as there isn't even a process where it can be reviewed. And everyone keeps burying their head, either out of stupidity or worry they won't get votes are my two guesses. I hate politics and don't follow it as it only depresses me. But maybe Bob Katter could be contacted for advice or as a fighter in your corner?
Just thought, what is the history of them being allowed in other states? Has someone gone through the same process you are endeavoring to achieve that could provide advice or the process where they were successful in their state?
We are onboard with all of those approaches. It is 100% about politicians and voting. Which is why we are going noisy on this issue. 👍👍
We are the “Country of No” after all.
An important part of the gun debate is understanding the difference between gun deaths in legitimate defence, gun deaths by illegal use, and the role of gun use to deter attacks without gun discharge.
Guns are a great equaliser between small weaker victims and more powerful attackers.
Once that is understood, the entire debate changes.
Peter Ceary , Mathew Cassidy what this