I left Belgrade from this Beograd station on June 25th, 2018 for Budapest, 5 days before the termination of the historical station, and I even didn't know such the termination before watching this video! 😱
Oh my...just came back from Serbia and i had no idea that the Main Station was to be shut down. Geez. The new station is far less interesting as the old one... Greetings from Finland, Juha
Unfortunately, the Main railway station in Belgrade no longer exists. Passenger rail traffic is simply removed from the city, which is very sad. It's a totally abnormal situation at Serbian Railways. Greetings to you from Belgrade.
Uudelta asemalta aika hemmetin vaikea päästä keskustaan. Edes julkisen liikenteen BusPlus-korttia ei myyty uudella keskusasemalla. Korruptoituneen maan paska kyhäelmä. Ei siinä, hieno kaupunki, hieno maa. Pozdrav iz Finske!
I recall going to my local station in 1963 only to learn that the previous day it had closed. Again, the work of Beeching. A sad day for all. The buildings that should have qualified as a heritage site were torn down and the history of the station died on that day. Corby, Northamptonshire, went the same as many others. Thankfully we have many photographs and film clips of a bygone era. Thanks for this video, Mr. Dulevoz. Its a reminder of what was a thriving business in your country. I am in Croatia where there are no railway services of significance.
What a shame, it's such a beautiful building. Taking the main train station out of the city center is very shortsighted, but good to hear that the building will be preserved.
yes it's going to be restored as a museum I think the building is going to serve the purpose and stay as a cultural monument which is good . At least they didn't tear the building down like they did some of nice architectural building in the area thank God that they preserved this icon .
They did the same thing in Istanbul by closing Sirkeci Station, last stop of Orient Express, and the Haydarpaşa Station, starting point of the Baghdad Railway.
It's hard to comment on such a sad emotional event. The video is perfect. Dear Dusan, continue this way. I want you a lot of luck and success in your selfless shooting. Nice Hello..
Me and my boyfriend were there this year in june, 2019 such a beautiful building big shame its not working annymore, but the building will still exist forever I hope more peoples will go there to visit !! regards Liesbeth and Sander from Amsterdam
I've tried a lot to make a reportage that will remind us of all of this station's interesting details. Unfortunately, this has become a historical video, because there are no more Main railway station close to the city center of Belgrade.
Za ovo neko treba debelo da odgovara.. Da ste obnovili tu stanicu, bila bi najlepša na svetu u centru najlepšeg grada. Bog sve vidi... Pozdrav iz Ljubljane.
@@dulevoz : Dobra lokacija ? A dolazak i odlazak ? Kako ti izgleda ? “ Svetski”? Trebala je da bude maknuta još 70- tih , ali su novu stanicu ( u Prokopu) gradili ko “ Skadar na Bojani”.
Thanks for this nice video. The closure of the old main train station in Belgrade is a transport policy disaster. Shame on the greedy, corrupt politicians! The "new" station Beograd Centar is not a real central station. There is no infrastructure, no escalators, no elevators, no information, no shops, just nothing! International travelers haul their bags over stairs and dirt! You arrive at a completely boring place and there is only one bus line to the center every 30 minutes. It is a shame for Belgrade.
Dusan, you have done a magnificent job in recording this sad piece of railway history. Can I thank you for the hard work you put into this production. I hope you do not have to do anything similar in the future. As always, best wishes from the UK
Things look bad in Coventry too (I was born there). Coundon Road and Foleshill Stations were also closed - WHY? And no station for North Coventry since Shilton and Brandon were closed. Bastard Beeching of course. I am sure there is some 'Beechingovic' behind what has happened in Belgrade.
And in Brazil (hard to believe) it's much, much worse. No long-distance passenger trains at all. Imagine New Street closing, you get the idea. Campinas has a similar population to B'ham and not a single passenger train. Usual culprits - politicians thinking only about money.
Very good "reportage" Dușan! Very sad to see this station being closed after all these years, its a end of a era... a stupid decision too since it was located straight in the centre and had all the facilities and stuff like that, compared to Prokop which isnt fully finished yet, all done in a hurry... well i guess money matters more than good transportation. Pozdravi!
i have read that it will probably be finished by sometime in 2021 with all its facilities. as for depot and loading automobiles, i am not sure. i think the locomotives will be moved to Zemun and the car loading was moved to Topcider rn...
When we see the main railway station in a country's capitol city (Belgrade) shuttered and abandoned, it is indisputable proof that the government in charge no longer considers its passenger railways to be of any importance. Abandoning the Belgrade Main Railway Station is only the first step (of many) that will ultimately result in the closure of the entire passenger railway network in Serbia. (Cargo haulage may continue for some time.)
well yeah, railways have seen a decline since the 1980s mostly if you ask me, so much careless-ness from national railway companies just because air travel has more success. it needs competition, like cheaper prices or something! at this rate railways will cease to exist!
Thank you. It is really sad to see how the government treats transport policy in this country. It destroys the passenger traffic on the railways of Serbia and there is no turning back. Station Belgrade Center (Prokop) will certainly not have all of its facilities until 2021. Not started construction of any additional content, yet.
Просто не верю! Как же так?! Центральный вокзал!! за город!!! Нет слов(( Или быть может там будет временный пункт? Пока на этом месте построят новый современный вокзал? (звучит как мечта)
Very sad to see such a historic station close forever. It reminds me of when I was a boy and Penn Station in New York closed down. To add to the travesty, that gorgeous station was torn down. A crime against history and culture.
@@samanli-tw3id The "new" one. The original Penn Station was an architectural masterpiece while the new one, which may be on its way out, is an ugly modernist travesty.
Hello Dulevoz, on the 10th of July I came from Novi Sad to Belgrade Centar station. Inside it looked nice, but inside there was a coffee bar that was out of order and it was deserted outside. Thank God there were taxis 🙂. But I found it better that they renovate the old train station. Life is life. Great video and greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Thank you. I understand you, Beograd Centar (Prokop) is a terrible hole outside the city. Passengers have a big problem to find their way and without a car or taxi, it is hardly accessible.
I have travelled in those trains around 1983 from Budapest to Zagreb--Belgrade--Skopje, beautiful scenery. It's sad to demolish beautiful historical over 134 years old building as it's written in front of the building MDCCCLXXXIV
6 years later, I am unhappy to report that the new station is still highly inaccessible and unfinished. What's even worse, since covid all international lines (except the seasonal Bar train) have been shut down and there are no plans for restoration in the coming years. Apparently they're waiting until they are converted into high speed railway.
Tin D ta stanica je bila srce nase zajednicke drzave. Ta stanica je uspomena nasih roditelja,dedova a i nasa. Bila je prica ,istorija i srce. Na njoj su se rastajali u suzama i docekivali rasirenih ruku, kretalo na more. Sad je vise nema😢 Ni jedan evropski grad nije zatvorio svoju staru stanicu samo mi ludi Srbi
Barcelona Spain A zašto je došlo do zatvaranja kolodvora i što će biti sa zgradom kolodvora u budućnosti, ipak je to prekrasna stara zgrada i vjerujem spomenik kulture
Tin D eeeh zasto ? To se i ja pitam. Prodali pola centra grada nekim Arapima pa arapima smeta taj kolodvor, sad su napravili nove brz duse a to ce neki ministar pretvoriti u veleletnu kafanu za nove najkune i njihove silikonske frednice. A tu kafanu ce nazvati narodnim muzejem. Nekadasnji Yugosloveni su bili ugledni naucnici, diplomate,umetnici ,arhitekte.... A sadasnji seljacine i egoisticne persone. Kao sto su 5 seljacina rasturili drzavu ,pa saf tih 5 drzava ostala sa pofmlatkom tih seljacina da oskrnave ono sto bombe nisu. Evo moj cukundida je bio plemic dalmatinski , titulu dobio od harzburske nonarhije a njegov portret se cuva u Beckom muzeju a ne u muzeju Zagreba ili Zadra. Eto o kulturnim dobrima da ne pticamo. Nekada su yugosloveni isli na opere i kazalista ,a sad iz novih Yugoslovenskih drzava idu da kradu pored opera i ptose pored kazalista. Tako ti je to. Bar da ne zatvore u Zagrebu jer to je isto jako bitan kolodvor . cuvajte ga taj i meni znaci jer od dalmacije do zagreba je moja baba kao cura isla da gradi prugu, iako sam iz srbije i ta u zagrebu mi znaci. Srdacan pozdrav za tebe
@@bggyfada7143Hvala na komentaru. Stanica nije smela da se zatvara .Ovo je samo hir jednog manijaka kome ništa nije sveto.Stanica je mogla da se renovira prekrije i da bude carica.Tužno je ovo šta je urađeno.
Sad really. Back in april when I travelled to Serbia my train from Nis arrived on the Prokop station, I did expect it to be bad, but it was really worse than what I was thinking. Saying its unfinished is an understatement. The poor thing looked like you've carpet bombed it... I did pass a few times around the old station when I was in BG and to me it just seems like an idiotic decision to move the station from the centre to bumfuck nowhere in Prokop. The old one if its a bit renovated would look 10 times better than Prokop, not even to mention as I said that the new one is nowhere while the old is basically 10mins from the centre and Kalemegdan.
It is a real shame that the Serbian government wants to close such a historical and key train station. The should be renovated instead of closed. It is kinda of like when they closed Józsefváros in Budapest, but at least Budapest still had three major train stations in the center of the city. The new station isn't even finished and is in an inconvienient location. It will even make travelling in and out of Belgrade by train harder. Alas it is an end of an era.
Today ex station will bee museum. Now belgrad have new central train station. In past old station Not was nice but there was yugoslavia history. Now we ar serbia.
This is so sad. The hungarian government and the city government of Budapest has tried to do the same with the Déli Pályaudvar, and build a sport centre and a park instead. (There is already an enormous park nearby, called Vérmező.) They have told us that Kelenföld would be just as good as an end station which is an obvious a lie. (But how would they know? They only travel with their own luxury cars. "Only the poor use the public transportation.") On the other hand Kelenföld has no free capacity to be an end station. A few years earlier they even decreased its capacity by removing some tracks. Fortunately due to the negative judgement of the people and the press, they have they have abandoned this catastrophic plan, and made some open conferences with real experts. So now we have some acceptable plans with the train station. Only the unused area will be reused, and they might unite the station with a plaza. I hope they don't change their mind. I hope the city government of Belgrade will come to its senses as well before it's too late.
That happened in Montevideo, Uruguay also. The new station is 500 m to the North and trains lost more than 100.000 passengers a year. The old station is abandoned because the plan was doomed from the start, and involved in a long legal fight since 2003.
I hope that Budapest city authorities will not close the Deli railway station. Your luck is that you have three main stations and all three nearly the city center. There was one Main station in Belgrade, and now we do not have any main station close to the city center.
Why did they discard such a beatiful and monumental train station? Look at Budapest Keleti, Paris Gare du Nord, Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof, NY Grand Central or Amsterdam Centraal, these are historic rail terminals which are seen as a city and railway heritage and always being modernized. No one thinks of discarding them.
They could at least keep the building. It could look quite nice in such development zone. Also they should have an light railway station in that newly developed area.
Очень хорошо фильм получился, жаль что по такому грустному поводу. В Санкт-Петербурге есть Варшавский вокзал не работающий с 15.05.2001. До 2016 года там был музей железных дорого. В вокзале размещён торговый центр, а на месте музея строиться жилой комплекс. (ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_(%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D1%82-%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3) Музей теперь располагается рядом с Балтийским вокзалом. (rzd-museum.ru/)
Dule, verovatno si vec cuo ovakve komentare ali nemas pojma koliko mi znaci ovaj snimak. Koliko sam samo avantura imao na toj stanici, koliko sam samo devojaka upoznao u tom starom vozu koji ide po 20h do Bara. Sramota za narod sto su ovo ucinili. Svaka cast Dule.
Just think, planning in Paris was far better. The old stations were built as monuments, and are easily accessible still. BTW why does Serbian RR let its locomotives get so dirty. Even our freight system in Tucson (Union Pacific) has a siding where the locomotives are scrubbed and cleaned all of the time.
Das Video ist gut gemacht! Der Bahnhof war allerdings ein ungepflegter versiffter Ort der nicht zum Reisen einlud. Es ist mir unverständlich wie man Anlagen derart verkommen lassen kann. Unkraut zupfen und Schutt wegräumen kostet eigentlich kaum Geld ... Mit freundlichen Grüßen
r. c. s. Ich sehe keine logische Gründe ein solchen monumentalen Bahnhof zu schließen. Ein paar S-Bahnen oder Regionalzüge könnte noch hier ankommen, fast wie Wiener Westbahnhof.
Will they move the coach and engine facility somewhere else as well? the new station does not seem to have any direct connection to the ones the old station had.
The coach and engine facilities are moved to Depot Zemun. Now in the same depot are all rolling stock of the entire passenger traffic in Serbia and Belgrade.
Jako me cini tuznim sto je stanica uklonjena, proveo sam detinjstvo na njoj, otac i ja smo isli do depoa, i jedna fini masinovodja nas je cak provozao do onog dela gde se okrecu lokomotive, ali makar memorija ostaje
It appears to me that the entire passenger railway system In Serbia is being prepared for closure. The fact that the main railway station in Belgrade has been abandoned, combined with the very obvious neglect of the railway track and rolling stock (overgrown with weeds, the train cars dirty and graffiti-covered), it is very obvious to me that, like in the United States of America, where passenger trains are also in the process of being discontinued, it will not only be the capitol, Belgrade, but everywhere else in Serbia, that has no more trains. If what I think is happening is true, there soon will be no trains calling at the new and useless station at Prokop! Is this progress? No!
Well, from this video its quite obvious why they close station - just look at all this new big buildings which is growing near station. Soon station will be destroyed and some lucky developer get delicious piece of land to build.
Hvala na snimcima. Imam pitanje. Jel U ovo nove modenizovane lokomotive ili su samo prefarbane. Kako napreduju radovi na prugi st. Pazova- novi sad? I kada možemo da očekujemo reportažu sa barske pruge od užica do prijepolja? Znam da vozovi idu sporo ali je krajolik leti prelep. Hvala još jednom
lokomotive su prefarbane. Kad pogledate neke druge video klipova zelenice drugih zemalja pogotovo Nemacke vidite da imaju stare parnjace koje vuku vagone po gradu i to je za njih turisticka atrakcija, a kod nas sve ide u staro gvozdje
Nema na čemu. Ove sveže prefarbane lokomotive su pre nekoliko meseci imale reviziju (veliki servis), tako da su u malo boljem stanju od ostalih lokomotiva iste serije, ali izuzev pojedinih detalja nisu modernizovane. Radovi od Stare Pazove do Novog Sada napreduju veoma polako, ali se za sada radi bez zastoja. Od Užica do Prijepolja kada budem snimio, a ne želim da obećavam kada će to da bude.
Did American consultants recommend doing this? It sound like the stupid idea they had in Georgia to close the through line through the middle of Tbilisi. Booz Allen was the name of them.
"The completely wrong traffic policy of the country" - looking at google maps, satellite view - wasn't the demise of this station caused by it taking up "precious" space in the most premium real estate area? I.e. someone made shitloads on decommissioning it and someone else will make even more once they build whatever is going to replace this station?
You are translate from Hungary, please! Régóta figyelem videóid, munkásságod és köszönet az eddigi videóidért! Rendkívül jók, informatívak, valószínűleg a rendszereink se sokban különböznek (itt EVM, U=25kV, 16.7 Hz) Kérdésem lenne: mi célt szolgál a pl 11.46-tól látható rácsos vagon? Arra nem tudtam rájönni. Mikor tudsz Indija és Beograd között friss videót feltölteni? Előre is köszönet! Meg Topcider érdekel: az is megszűnt nemrég, de nem tudom: Topcider teretna (teheráru/marshalling yard) tovább üzemel? I have been paying attention to your videos, your work and thanks for your videos so far! Extremely good, informative, probably our systems do not differ much (here EVM, U = 25kV, 16.7 Hz) My question would be: what is the purpose of the lattice wagon seen from 11.43, for example? I couldn't figure it out. When can you upload a fresh video between India and Beograd? Thanks in advance! I am interested in Topcider: it has also been discontinued recently, but I do not know: Topcider teretna (freight / marshalling yards) will continue to operate?
Mmmm... Such a pity....Even in Italy there is a completely useless railway station (onto the high speed tracks..). This is the railway station of "Reggio Emilia AV - Mediopadana", wanted only by politicians and that passes completely outside the city (Reggio Emilia), without any public service bringing into the city (except expensive taxis)....Bah, best don't think over... your video is very nice ;)
Thank you. I know about these and similar problems on your new railway lines. It would be nice if we in Serbia have a little faster and newer lines like you, so that we can talk about such problems :)
Hello mate! Really impressive shots! Respect. May I ask with which camera filmed? I'm looking for my driver's cabs a comparable camera. Greetings from Germany
Very good video...I was there several times in the 80's and 90's when it was Yugoslavia's JZ so I was intrigued by a few things from seeing this video: 1) It appears they let the station (platforms & tracks) deteriorate considerably since I was there last 2) Trains all appear to be "short" (3-5 cars) InterCities without food service cars, not the case on my visits 3) Graffiti was annoyingly rampant on almost all pieces of rolling stock, not the case in earlier years 4) Judging by the abundance of fans with cameras around the place they must have changed their "attitudes" as earlier years there was nothing but hostility by the crews to anyone with a camera and that was even towards other railroaders too. Sad to see the original station and my memories of it go
Thank you. Yes, these are some fine memories from much better times. Overall, the railways in Serbia and the region began to decline gradually, and then more and more from period you visited it.
Super Video! I am really sad that the Station closed,It was a piece of serbian history!Yea it was old but who cares!the closing of the Station was like if they closed a Museum!
Even Croatia hates railways, most of freight trains. No wonder why our highways are filled with trucks due to our greedy railway. I hate balkan 🤬 olny Bulgaria, Romania and Slovenia holds up well on trains.
wow I was there today and saw one customer tried to buy tickets from the only open ticket window... I wish there were some signs to say about this closure...
Well, good reasons as the city hall didn't spend a dime on renovating/upgrade the main station so rusty weeds all over the station never kept clean and a lot of metal junks/scraps to recycle and get money back from it. I wish there were somehow a live cam to see it all gone and redevelopment as I know the st.reigs, developers, not personally but they have one hotel/residents (what was trump tower) here in the heart of Toronto. The only thing I feel so sorry is about the staff/employees from that main station. hope they all have continuous jobs.
It will be Historical museum, but even for that whole building needs to be renovated and adapted, they need minimum 10 million euros. Also Prokop will not be finished at least in the next 10 years, they are currently building last parts of concrete roof for the last two unfinished tracks (out of total 10, 8 in use currently). Also there are some talks from city officials about metro being built from 2020, which would put in use already built metro tunnels under Prokop station, but that is in the best case in 8-10 years. As for Prokop main building on current concrete roof, they are looking for private investors who would have interest to build commercial stuff and incorporate railway station in it, but since the government in past few years invested over 3 billion dollars in railway infrastructure i think they can find 50-100 million for the station.
Druze hvala na snimku ovo mi je uspomena na ovu stanicu ja sam ovaj pregledac sa pocetka snimka hvala jos jednom.
Nema na čemu. Drago mi je da si se pronašao i hvala tebi na glavnoj ulozi u ovom snimku :)
I left Belgrade from this Beograd station on June 25th, 2018 for Budapest, 5 days before the termination of the historical station, and I even didn't know such the termination before watching this video! 😱
Ja bi napisao sta mislim ali bolje da cutim o svemu...
Hvala Dule za ovo, ovo je snimak istorije. Svaka cast.
Dobro je sto nisi! :)
Videh danas da su srusili i Ikarusovu zgradu u bloku 9..Sta zna stoka sta je istorija... daj da pravimo novi trzni centar!
KuvDabGib Trebaju i zgradu pošte ali nece! Ostavljaju ruzne zgrade da zgrozavaju turiste i sramote nas!
@KuvDabGib, Nema na čemu. Bar je ostao snimak da nas podseća kako je to imati želznicu u srcu grada.
Napiši slobodno koga se plašiš :) Nije ovo ''javni servis'' građana da te ućutkuju
Dve godine sam se pravio kao da se ništa nije desilo, a sada nakon pogledanog ovog videa osećam se kao da se vraćam sa sahrane...
Oh my...just came back from Serbia and i had no idea that the Main Station was to be shut down. Geez.
The new station is far less interesting as the old one...
Greetings from Finland,
Juha
Unfortunately, the Main railway station in Belgrade no longer exists. Passenger rail traffic is simply removed from the city, which is very sad. It's a totally abnormal situation at Serbian Railways.
Greetings to you from Belgrade.
Uudelta asemalta aika hemmetin vaikea päästä keskustaan. Edes julkisen liikenteen BusPlus-korttia ei myyty uudella keskusasemalla. Korruptoituneen maan paska kyhäelmä. Ei siinä, hieno kaupunki, hieno maa.
Pozdrav iz Finske!
I came to Belgrade in 2016 and again in July 2018 and was shocked that the station was closed
I recall going to my local station in 1963 only to learn that the previous day it had closed. Again, the work of Beeching. A sad day for all. The buildings that should have qualified as a heritage site were torn down and the history of the station died on that day. Corby, Northamptonshire, went the same as many others. Thankfully we have many photographs and film clips of a bygone era. Thanks for this video, Mr. Dulevoz. Its a reminder of what was a thriving business in your country. I am in Croatia where there are no railway services of significance.
What a shame, it's such a beautiful building. Taking the main train station out of the city center is very shortsighted, but good to hear that the building will be preserved.
yes it's going to be restored as a museum I think the building is going to serve the purpose and stay as a cultural monument which is good .
At least they didn't tear the building down like they did some of nice architectural building in the area thank God that they preserved this icon .
They did the same thing in Istanbul by closing Sirkeci Station, last stop of Orient Express, and the Haydarpaşa Station, starting point of the Baghdad Railway.
@@draganpaunovic5596 kao da su srusili i zgradu
@@M.Đ-z4u : Ali nisu ! I Trg ispred nje je lep ( još kada drveće poraste )!
@@draganpaunovic5596no the station is now demolished and now where was the station now is Beograd na vodi
Majstorski snimljeno i uradjeno, svaka cast !!
Hvala!
I was in Belgrade twice. Spent a lot of time on these platforms inhaling the atmosphere of this station. The new one sucks !!!! Greetings from Poland.
It's hard to comment on such a sad emotional event.
The video is perfect.
Dear Dusan, continue this way. I want you a lot of luck and success in your selfless shooting. Nice Hello..
Thank you very much.
Me and my boyfriend were there this year in june, 2019 such a beautiful building big shame its not working annymore, but the building will still exist forever I hope more peoples will go there to visit !! regards Liesbeth and Sander from Amsterdam
I was sure you would have done a reportage. So glad to have the opportunity to watch it... and so sad to see that this nice station is gone forever :(
I've tried a lot to make a reportage that will remind us of all of this station's interesting details. Unfortunately, this has become a historical video, because there are no more Main railway station close to the city center of Belgrade.
Очигледно да је већина људи заиста добро осетила душу нашег народа... Заиста немам речи. Теби Дуле пуно хвала за врхунски квалитет, и снимак. 😢😢😢❤❤❤
Za ovo neko treba debelo da odgovara.. Da ste obnovili tu stanicu, bila bi najlepša na svetu u centru najlepšeg grada. Bog sve vidi... Pozdrav iz Ljubljane.
Slažem se da bi to mogla da bude jedna veoma lepa stanica, na zaista dobroj lokaciji. Pozdrav iz Beograda.
Slovenac gledaj svoja posla !
@@dulevoz : Dobra lokacija ? A dolazak i odlazak ? Kako ti izgleda ? “ Svetski”? Trebala je da bude maknuta još 70- tih , ali su novu stanicu ( u Prokopu) gradili ko “ Skadar na Bojani”.
Thanks for this nice video.
The closure of the old main train station in Belgrade is a transport policy disaster. Shame on the greedy, corrupt politicians!
The "new" station Beograd Centar is not a real central station. There is no infrastructure, no escalators, no elevators, no information, no shops, just nothing! International travelers haul their bags over stairs and dirt! You arrive at a completely boring place and there is only one bus line to the center every 30 minutes. It is a shame for Belgrade.
You're welcome. I fully agree with you!
Dusan, you have done a magnificent job in recording this sad piece of railway history. Can I thank you for the hard work you put into this production. I hope you do not have to do anything similar in the future. As always, best wishes from the UK
Thank you very much.
Greetings from Coventry Belgrade's twin city
Hello Coventry!
Things look bad in Coventry too (I was born there). Coundon Road and Foleshill Stations were also closed - WHY? And no station for North Coventry since Shilton and Brandon were closed. Bastard Beeching of course. I am sure there is some 'Beechingovic' behind what has happened in Belgrade.
And in Brazil (hard to believe) it's much, much worse. No long-distance passenger trains at all. Imagine New Street closing, you get the idea. Campinas has a similar population to B'ham and not a single passenger train. Usual culprits - politicians thinking only about money.
Thank you for this. I love all your videos, but this one made me cry.
You're welcome. Believe me, this one has not only made you cry. Many people cried with the sound of music and very sad horns of the last trains.
Zbogom Železnico moja,necemo više da se vidimo!!😟😟😟😟
Историја се понавља. Само град и време су различити. th-cam.com/video/jUFIXpQF6ok/w-d-xo.html
Hello,i am an italian railway appassionate and i like very much your videos. They are very interesting and well done! Congratulations and greetings!
Very good "reportage" Dușan! Very sad to see this station being closed after all these years, its a end of a era... a stupid decision too since it was located straight in the centre and had all the facilities and stuff like that, compared to Prokop which isnt fully finished yet, all done in a hurry... well i guess money matters more than good transportation.
Pozdravi!
i have read that it will probably be finished by sometime in 2021 with all its facilities. as for depot and loading automobiles, i am not sure. i think the locomotives will be moved to Zemun and the car loading was moved to Topcider rn...
When we see the main railway station in a country's capitol city (Belgrade) shuttered and abandoned, it is indisputable proof that the government in charge no longer considers its passenger railways to be of any importance. Abandoning the Belgrade Main Railway Station is only the first step (of many) that will ultimately result in the closure of the entire passenger railway network in Serbia. (Cargo haulage may continue for some time.)
well yeah, railways have seen a decline since the 1980s mostly if you ask me, so much careless-ness from national railway companies just because air travel has more success. it needs competition, like cheaper prices or something! at this rate railways will cease to exist!
Thank you. It is really sad to see how the government treats transport policy in this country. It destroys the passenger traffic on the railways of Serbia and there is no turning back. Station Belgrade Center (Prokop) will certainly not have all of its facilities until 2021. Not started construction of any additional content, yet.
Wondering what happens to all the land. Developers are circling.
Hvala Dule za snimak, i hvala na fokusu na prave i "prave" vrednost. "Novi simbol Beograda", koja smejurija... Svako dobro
Hvala imenjace za ovaj istorijski snimak. 👍
Просто не верю! Как же так?! Центральный вокзал!! за город!!! Нет слов((
Или быть может там будет временный пункт? Пока на этом месте построят новый современный вокзал? (звучит как мечта)
no.
Верьте. Это печально, но это правда.
Very sad to see such a historic station close forever. It reminds me of when I was a boy and Penn Station in New York closed down. To add to the travesty, that gorgeous station was torn down. A crime against history and culture.
Penn Station is still active
@@samanli-tw3id The "new" one. The original Penn Station was an architectural masterpiece while the new one, which may be on its way out, is an ugly modernist travesty.
Hello Dulevoz, on the 10th of July I came from Novi Sad to Belgrade Centar station. Inside it looked nice, but inside there was a coffee bar that was out of order and it was deserted outside. Thank God there were taxis 🙂. But I found it better that they renovate the old train station. Life is life. Great video and greetings from Switzerland 🇨🇭
Thank you. I understand you, Beograd Centar (Prokop) is a terrible hole outside the city. Passengers have a big problem to find their way and without a car or taxi, it is hardly accessible.
dulevoz Jel ista bolje 😕
I have travelled in those trains around 1983 from Budapest to Zagreb--Belgrade--Skopje, beautiful scenery. It's sad to demolish beautiful historical over 134 years old building as it's written in front of the building MDCCCLXXXIV
Svaka čast Dule!!! Očekivano dobar film, za istoriju...
Hvala lepo.
Dulevoz, ovo je istorijski dokument, izvanredno. Meni sve ovo izgleda tužno, kao da mi neko nešto otima iz śećanja.
Hvala. Ovo zaista jeste veoma tužno.
Čekaj, nešto mi pade na um, neće valjda dirati zgradu stanice? Ona je arhitektonski spomenik Balkana, ne samo Beograda.
Greetings from Poland. Great video.
Thank you.
6 years later, I am unhappy to report that the new station is still highly inaccessible and unfinished. What's even worse, since covid all international lines (except the seasonal Bar train) have been shut down and there are no plans for restoration in the coming years. Apparently they're waiting until they are converted into high speed railway.
Najbolji klip koji sam video o poslednjem danu rada ZST
17:04 the best comment... Happy to have travelled from this station few times in my life.
Great vid :) I was in Belgrade two days after you published your video (on Tošin Bunar stop), but all that I met were 2 Beovoz trains :)
Thanks. You did not miss much :)
dulevoz 2 days ago I added a short video from Novi Sad, but recording it wasn't full of pleasure :)
Thanks for all your hard work documenting the operation of this train station.
You're welcome.
Kakva šteta😢, pozdrav iz Hrvatske
Tin D ta stanica je bila srce nase zajednicke drzave. Ta stanica je uspomena nasih roditelja,dedova a i nasa. Bila je prica ,istorija i srce. Na njoj su se rastajali u suzama i docekivali rasirenih ruku, kretalo na more. Sad je vise nema😢
Ni jedan evropski grad nije zatvorio svoju staru stanicu samo mi ludi Srbi
Barcelona Spain A zašto je došlo do zatvaranja kolodvora i što će biti sa zgradom kolodvora u budućnosti, ipak je to prekrasna stara zgrada i vjerujem spomenik kulture
Tin D eeeh zasto ? To se i ja pitam. Prodali pola centra grada nekim Arapima pa arapima smeta taj kolodvor, sad su napravili nove brz duse a to ce neki ministar pretvoriti u veleletnu kafanu za nove najkune i njihove silikonske frednice. A tu kafanu ce nazvati narodnim muzejem. Nekadasnji Yugosloveni su bili ugledni naucnici, diplomate,umetnici ,arhitekte.... A sadasnji seljacine i egoisticne persone. Kao sto su 5 seljacina rasturili drzavu ,pa saf tih 5 drzava ostala sa pofmlatkom tih seljacina da oskrnave ono sto bombe nisu. Evo moj cukundida je bio plemic dalmatinski , titulu dobio od harzburske nonarhije a njegov portret se cuva u Beckom muzeju a ne u muzeju Zagreba ili Zadra. Eto o kulturnim dobrima da ne pticamo. Nekada su yugosloveni isli na opere i kazalista ,a sad iz novih Yugoslovenskih drzava idu da kradu pored opera i ptose pored kazalista. Tako ti je to. Bar da ne zatvore u Zagrebu jer to je isto jako bitan kolodvor . cuvajte ga taj i meni znaci jer od dalmacije do zagreba je moja baba kao cura isla da gradi prugu, iako sam iz srbije i ta u zagrebu mi znaci.
Srdacan pozdrav za tebe
Tin D zgrada će postati muzej srednjeg vijeka
@@bggyfada7143Hvala na komentaru. Stanica nije smela da se zatvara .Ovo je samo hir jednog manijaka kome ništa nije sveto.Stanica je mogla da se renovira prekrije i da bude carica.Tužno je ovo šta je urađeno.
Sad really.
Back in april when I travelled to Serbia my train from Nis arrived on the Prokop station, I did expect it to be bad, but it was really worse than what I was thinking. Saying its unfinished is an understatement. The poor thing looked like you've carpet bombed it... I did pass a few times around the old station when I was in BG and to me it just seems like an idiotic decision to move the station from the centre to bumfuck nowhere in Prokop. The old one if its a bit renovated would look 10 times better than Prokop, not even to mention as I said that the new one is nowhere while the old is basically 10mins from the centre and Kalemegdan.
It is a real shame that the Serbian government wants to close such a historical and key train station. The should be renovated instead of closed. It is kinda of like when they closed Józsefváros in Budapest, but at least Budapest still had three major train stations in the center of the city. The new station isn't even finished and is in an inconvienient location. It will even make travelling in and out of Belgrade by train harder. Alas it is an end of an era.
I agree with you. It's really a shame how it works on Serbian railways.
What a shame :(
Shut up! It is more important for the city to develope than to satisfie your feelings!
And also messing up a good railway network, disconnecting it from the centre of town? Could have developed the city somewhere else...
I don't see this as a posive development.
Moras izaci iz tog moda mrznje.
Svet je lepsi sa druge strane.
Druge strane čega?
Enjoing from Brazil. Thanks for this fantastic video.
You're welcome.
Today ex station will bee museum.
Now belgrad have new central train station.
In past old station
Not was nice but there was yugoslavia history.
Now we ar serbia.
Bravo Dule, nek nam bude za uspomenu
Hvala. Nažalost ovo jeste za uspomenu.
A beleza da História. Magnífico vídeo. Obrigado.
This is so sad. The hungarian government and the city government of Budapest has tried to do the same with the Déli Pályaudvar, and build a sport centre and a park instead. (There is already an enormous park nearby, called Vérmező.) They have told us that Kelenföld would be just as good as an end station which is an obvious a lie. (But how would they know? They only travel with their own luxury cars. "Only the poor use the public transportation.") On the other hand Kelenföld has no free capacity to be an end station. A few years earlier they even decreased its capacity by removing some tracks.
Fortunately due to the negative judgement of the people and the press, they have they have abandoned this catastrophic plan, and made some open conferences with real experts. So now we have some acceptable plans with the train station. Only the unused area will be reused, and they might unite the station with a plaza. I hope they don't change their mind.
I hope the city government of Belgrade will come to its senses as well before it's too late.
Very well said.
That happened in Montevideo, Uruguay also. The new station is 500 m to the North and trains lost more than 100.000 passengers a year. The old station is abandoned because the plan was doomed from the start, and involved in a long legal fight since 2003.
I hope that Budapest city authorities will not close the Deli railway station. Your luck is that you have three main stations and all three nearly the city center. There was one Main station in Belgrade, and now we do not have any main station close to the city center.
Why did they discard such a beatiful and monumental train station? Look at Budapest Keleti, Paris Gare du Nord, Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof, NY Grand Central or Amsterdam Centraal, these are historic rail terminals which are seen as a city and railway heritage and always being modernized. No one thinks of discarding them.
it's kinda sad even though I've never been there.
Hvala vam za predivan video!
Nema na čemu!
Hvala za ovaj predivan video 😰💕💕💕👍
A shame it was decommissioned, I feel very fortunate to have seen/used it the last 2 times in Beograd
Gilanonte1• 🚽🧻
Wonderful video and a tragic development. Do they intend to remove the tracks?
yes, because of the nearby urban project which involved the demolition of Belgrade railway yards and station, and depot i believe...
They could at least keep the building. It could look quite nice in such development zone. Also they should have an light railway station in that newly developed area.
the building is basically the only thing they are keeping...
They are keeping the building as it is registered as a monument (so they have to). Luckily as these bastards would sell tit off their mother.
Prelep,i nostalgican video🍀
Очень хорошо фильм получился, жаль что по такому грустному поводу.
В Санкт-Петербурге есть Варшавский вокзал не работающий с 15.05.2001. До 2016 года там был музей железных дорого. В вокзале размещён торговый центр, а на месте музея строиться жилой комплекс. (ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BB_(%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D1%82-%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3)
Музей теперь располагается рядом с Балтийским вокзалом. (rzd-museum.ru/)
Грустно закрывать железнодорожные станции в центре города. Особенно, если нет альтернативы станции.
Very Sad... :-(
Dule, verovatno si vec cuo ovakve komentare ali nemas pojma koliko mi znaci ovaj snimak.
Koliko sam samo avantura imao na toj stanici, koliko sam samo devojaka upoznao u tom starom vozu koji ide po 20h do Bara. Sramota za narod sto su ovo ucinili.
Svaka cast Dule.
Hvala. Svakako da je bilo sličnih komentara i slažem se da je sve što se desilo ovoj stanici i železnici kod nas u globalu sramota.
Boi : Vreme ti je za penziju !
Incredible film. love it !
Thanks.
Im really disapointed to hear that the station is no closed :( Last year i was there for an hour and enjoyed my time on it :(
The station should have been regulated and integrated into the new part of the city. It should not have been removed :(
Im affraid i would turn into some big mall or some comercial building near Sava...
Just think, planning in Paris was far better. The old stations were built as monuments, and are easily accessible still. BTW why does Serbian RR let its locomotives get so dirty. Even our freight system in Tucson (Union Pacific) has a siding where the locomotives are scrubbed and cleaned all of the time.
Amazing video! Thx!
You're welcome.
Nice coverage👌
Das Video ist gut gemacht!
Der Bahnhof war allerdings ein ungepflegter versiffter Ort der nicht zum Reisen einlud.
Es ist mir unverständlich wie man Anlagen derart verkommen lassen kann. Unkraut zupfen und Schutt wegräumen kostet eigentlich kaum Geld ...
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
r. c. s. Ich sehe keine logische Gründe ein solchen monumentalen Bahnhof zu schließen. Ein paar S-Bahnen oder Regionalzüge könnte noch hier ankommen, fast wie Wiener Westbahnhof.
Думаю, что лет через 50, пути и платформы заростут не только сорняками, но и деревьями.
Will they move the coach and engine facility somewhere else as well? the new station does not seem to have any direct connection to the ones the old station had.
The coach and engine facilities are moved to Depot Zemun. Now in the same depot are all rolling stock of the entire passenger traffic in Serbia and Belgrade.
Veľmi prekrasne natočené video 😉😉😉😉😉.
Nádherné , super vynikajúce 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃.
Perfektné super 😉😉😉😉😉😉. Prekrasne natočené video 😉 😉😉😉😉😉😉.
Thanks.
i am morocco very nice video
Ovekovecio si trenutak.Pozdrav🍀🗾
Jako me cini tuznim sto je stanica uklonjena, proveo sam detinjstvo na njoj, otac i ja smo isli do depoa, i jedna fini masinovodja nas je cak provozao do onog dela gde se okrecu lokomotive, ali makar memorija ostaje
It appears to me that the entire passenger railway system In Serbia is being prepared for closure. The fact that the main railway station in Belgrade has been abandoned, combined with the very obvious neglect of the railway track and rolling stock (overgrown with weeds, the train cars dirty and graffiti-covered), it is very obvious to me that, like in the United States of America, where passenger trains are also in the process of being discontinued, it will not only be the capitol, Belgrade, but everywhere else in Serbia, that has no more trains. If what I think is happening is true, there soon will be no trains calling at the new and useless station at Prokop! Is this progress? No!
I fully agree with you :(
Brate,najezih se.Kao ona scena iz filma Petrijin venac,kad odlazi voz,odlazi sve
Well, from this video its quite obvious why they close station - just look at all this new big buildings which is growing near station. Soon station will be destroyed and some lucky developer get delicious piece of land to build.
You're absolutely right.
nice video
Thanks.
Really great video, thumbs up + sub. Greetings from Denmark :)
Thank you! Greetings to you from Belgrade.
Hvala na snimcima. Imam pitanje. Jel U ovo nove modenizovane lokomotive ili su samo prefarbane. Kako napreduju radovi na prugi st. Pazova- novi sad? I kada možemo da očekujemo reportažu sa barske pruge od užica do prijepolja? Znam da vozovi idu sporo ali je krajolik leti prelep. Hvala još jednom
lokomotive su prefarbane. Kad pogledate neke druge video klipova zelenice drugih zemalja pogotovo Nemacke vidite da imaju stare parnjace koje vuku vagone po gradu i to je za njih turisticka atrakcija, a kod nas sve ide u staro gvozdje
Nema na čemu. Ove sveže prefarbane lokomotive su pre nekoliko meseci imale reviziju (veliki servis), tako da su u malo boljem stanju od ostalih lokomotiva iste serije, ali izuzev pojedinih detalja nisu modernizovane. Radovi od Stare Pazove do Novog Sada napreduju veoma polako, ali se za sada radi bez zastoja. Od Užica do Prijepolja kada budem snimio, a ne želim da obećavam kada će to da bude.
@@dulevoz jos uvek cekamo tvoj snimak barske pruge
Did American consultants recommend doing this? It sound like the stupid idea they had in Georgia to close the through line through the middle of Tbilisi. Booz Allen was the name of them.
"The completely wrong traffic policy of the country" - looking at google maps, satellite view - wasn't the demise of this station caused by it taking up "precious" space in the most premium real estate area? I.e. someone made shitloads on decommissioning it and someone else will make even more once they build whatever is going to replace this station?
I will correct myself: "completely miserable policy of this country"...
Отличное видео👍
Спасибо!
Good presentation. Really love this video, whatever the matter.
Thank you.
Such a shame the new station lacks character. My grandparents went through here on the Simplon Orient Express in the 50s to Constantinople.
You are translate from Hungary, please!
Régóta figyelem videóid, munkásságod és köszönet az eddigi videóidért! Rendkívül jók, informatívak, valószínűleg a rendszereink se sokban különböznek (itt EVM, U=25kV, 16.7 Hz)
Kérdésem lenne: mi célt szolgál a pl 11.46-tól látható rácsos vagon? Arra nem tudtam rájönni.
Mikor tudsz Indija és Beograd között friss videót feltölteni? Előre is köszönet! Meg Topcider érdekel: az is megszűnt nemrég, de nem tudom: Topcider teretna (teheráru/marshalling yard) tovább üzemel?
I have been paying attention to your videos, your work and thanks for your videos so far! Extremely good, informative, probably our systems do not differ much (here EVM, U = 25kV, 16.7 Hz)
My question would be: what is the purpose of the lattice wagon seen from 11.43, for example? I couldn't figure it out.
When can you upload a fresh video between India and Beograd? Thanks in advance! I am interested in Topcider: it has also been discontinued recently, but I do not know: Topcider teretna (freight / marshalling yards) will continue to operate?
Mmmm... Such a pity....Even in Italy there is a completely useless railway station (onto the high speed tracks..). This is the railway station of "Reggio Emilia AV - Mediopadana", wanted only by politicians and that passes completely outside the city (Reggio Emilia), without any public service bringing into the city (except expensive taxis)....Bah, best don't think over... your video is very nice ;)
Thank you. I know about these and similar problems on your new railway lines. It would be nice if we in Serbia have a little faster and newer lines like you, so that we can talk about such problems :)
Do not lose hope to the hi speed tracks, Dulevoz. It's not a problem of money, trust me. It depends only on political will ;)
This really sounds like corrupt deal
Unfortunately, of course it is.
Super film!👍👍👍
Greetings from Russia!
I subscribed to your channel!
Hello mate!
Really impressive shots! Respect. May I ask with which camera filmed?
I'm looking for my driver's cabs a comparable camera.
Greetings from Germany
Thanks. Camera Sony FDR AX100.
Boze, sto me neka tuga uhvati, gledajuci ovo, gde ce biti glavna zeleznicka stanica sad?
To je kao I posvuda u Svijetu, staro nestaje a novo se gradi. Medjutim to novo ne znaci I nesto bolje. Izvrstan video.
Hvala. Slažem se.
Very, very interesting documentary.
Meny hours of work inside the final cut. Maybe workgroup?
From Barcelona, thanks Bro.
Yes, it took many days and many hours of recording for making this video. No workgroup, only me.
In another videos, your shadow on the front of sunshine when filming, reveals you are very young!
Very good video...I was there several times in the 80's and 90's when it was Yugoslavia's JZ so I was intrigued by a few things from seeing this video:
1) It appears they let the station (platforms & tracks) deteriorate considerably since I was there last
2) Trains all appear to be "short" (3-5 cars) InterCities without food service cars, not the case on my visits
3) Graffiti was annoyingly rampant on almost all pieces of rolling stock, not the case in earlier years
4) Judging by the abundance of fans with cameras around the place they must have changed their "attitudes" as earlier years there was nothing but hostility by the crews to anyone with a camera and that was even towards other railroaders too.
Sad to see the original station and my memories of it go
Thank you. Yes, these are some fine memories from much better times. Overall, the railways in Serbia and the region began to decline gradually, and then more and more from period you visited it.
Beautiful video.
Thanks.
Super Video! I am really sad that the Station closed,It was a piece of serbian history!Yea it was old but who cares!the closing of the Station was like if they closed a Museum!
Sad moment. Dont like to see historical use go
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Поезд Гайворон-Рудница / Train Gaivoron-Rudnitsa
I think Balkans hate the train as a transport.
Even Croatia hates railways, most of freight trains. No wonder why our highways are filled with trucks due to our greedy railway. I hate balkan 🤬 olny Bulgaria, Romania and Slovenia holds up well on trains.
wow I was there today and saw one customer tried to buy tickets from the only open ticket window... I wish there were some signs to say about this closure...
Da li misliš da su naše železnice pokorumptirane?
čuj stranka na vlasti postavlja direktore, da li su korumpirani... pa sve su prodali...
Через месяц еду к вам. Всё, не успел. Печально.
Well, good reasons as the city hall didn't spend a dime on renovating/upgrade the main station so rusty weeds all over the station never kept clean and a lot of metal junks/scraps to recycle and get money back from it. I wish there were somehow a live cam to see it all gone and redevelopment as I know the st.reigs, developers, not personally but they have one hotel/residents (what was trump tower) here in the heart of Toronto.
The only thing I feel so sorry is about the staff/employees from that main station. hope they all have continuous jobs.
Я работаю мастером осмотрщиков вагонов.У нас работают все сигнальных жилетах.
Интересно по смотреть: что теперь, спустя 2 года, стало со зданием вокзала? Что на месте путей творится?
At 39:56 RIP locomotive, doesn't wanna start🙂
Only after the revision of the locomotive has been done, it has small problems and defects...
Does anyone know what will the function of the building be now? And when will the Prokop station get finished?
It will be Historical museum, but even for that whole building needs to be renovated and adapted, they need minimum 10 million euros. Also Prokop will not be finished at least in the next 10 years, they are currently building last parts of concrete roof for the last two unfinished tracks (out of total 10, 8 in use currently). Also there are some talks from city officials about metro being built from 2020, which would put in use already built metro tunnels under Prokop station, but that is in the best case in 8-10 years. As for Prokop main building on current concrete roof, they are looking for private investors who would have interest to build commercial stuff and incorporate railway station in it, but since the government in past few years invested over 3 billion dollars in railway infrastructure i think they can find 50-100 million for the station.
All a big waste of money. They could have built buildings over tracks and left station in place...
Prokop will be finished next 4-5 years
Wow, and this happened in 2018? Not very visionary.. all for property development?
Unfortunately, it is a greater interest to sell the land than to enable people normal transport by rail.