@@edcollins9377 He is pretty damn awesome! Feel free to check this out. From our first album, Fortress. It featured Bryan Cole on vocals, though Roy Cathey is now our lead singer. Vinnie and John Norum are two of my favorite guitarists so it only seemed natural to cover. th-cam.com/video/hTxNAaiWy3w/w-d-xo.html
I thought the opposite.. never liked he's "all out power vocals" on yngwie's albums but they were good none the less. He has a more strong sensitive soft voice that fits in with this kind of music better.
Thanks so much for this! One of my favorite albums of all time. Ironically so is Fire and Ice. I will say I'm happy with Robert getting the job on the L.P., what a great record!
Some of his annunciation is off but boy does this guy have pipes! I wonder if he could pull this off on a tour. Mark was definitely hurting on tour this so hard to sing. I'd love to hear Mark's audition tapes. The best tapes though are Vinnie humming all the high melodies as he writes the songs on his acoustic or 4 track. One guy on here has parts of all of the All Systems Go songs with Vinnie singing but they are like 11 seconds a piece or something. Cool upload Vik V!
Goran made a name of himself with Yngwie Malmsteen on the Odyssey album and tour. Check it out, he most definitely pulls it off. A great singer by all standards.
With Goran singing it takes this stuff to a whole new level! Truly superb! More melodic and not as shrill and piercing as the vocals that ended up on the record. Nothing against Fleishman. He can sing really beautiful, but the VVI vocals all sound like he's trying to break glass.
I’m not into these kind of ultra high notes singers, but I like Goran! It seems like his voice is always ready to go to the moon (same as Robert). It would have been a perfect fit... in fact he joins Malmsteen later. Just to say... in these demos, the voice is mixed better than in the Yngwie records with Goran.
I love these types of vocals. It's what really impressed me with VVI the first time I heard it. One of the reasons why I love the 80s I admire the talent it takes to be able to pull this off.
@@viktorvasilievich5891 Well, he didn't exactly dodge that bullet. I think Göran wound up suing Yngwie Malmsteen later on (and winning) for songwriting credit.
He said in the interview that Vinnie asked him to sing in Robert Fleishcman's style and it was very hard for him. He actually was pretty sure that he could ruin his voice performing this songs live. Ot was too high even for Edman.
Edman sounds even better than I expected when I heard there is VVI demo with him. Much better than Vinnie`s chosen singers. Göran was fantastic with Yngwie.
This audition occurred after Robert had left the band and Edman was in fact Vinnie's first choice as a replacement for Robert Fleischman. The label chose Slaughter because he was american basically
Robert Fleischman's vocal range sounds more structured. Also you can recognize the colour of his voice even in the top highs. Who knows what happened if the line up with Robert had not broken.
Göran also played with Jayce Landberg. Look it up. I wish Yngwie wouldn’t have been such an ass and burn his bridges bc Göran was such a talented asset. Also, he’s a sweetheart.
Todos cantam muito bem, mas o Mark não funciona com as músicas do primeiro disco nem a pau. Tem shows com o Mark na turnê do primeiro disco que Deus me livre.
THE CLARENCES Robert is Awesome on the first album....power precision stratospheric notes emotion!!!!!ok the hair style could change.....the easiest part!!!!!
@@viktorvasilievich5891 What do you think about the versions of Gypsy in Your Eyes and Back on the Streets with Vinnie singing though? Aren't those the best versions? Or are there other versions you prefer?
En mi humilde opinión, la voz de Goran Edman es como que mas melódica, enamora; pero la de Mark Slaughter es más rebelde mas agresiva y cayó a pelo para Vinnie Vincent Invasion.
Damn. I loved Robert’s vocals. When I heard VV wanted some guy but couldn’t find him and then it was Slaughter I was like wth. I did like Slaughter’s debut album but he did NOT fit VVI and he was awful covering the first album live. This is the first time even knowing Goran was a possibility and not the range of RF but whoa. I think the album may have done better with Goran’s vocals bc he’s awesome and not verging on some Jim Gillette crazy range like Robert was hitting. Hands down one of the best albums of the 80s Production and promotion could’ve been much better
@@kevinrosner8676 Haha! Goran has a beautiful voice, one of my all time favorites, apparently Vinnie wanted him, but the record company managment wanted an American singer, oh well, John Norum's version of Back on the Streets with Goran is one of my favorite songs ever
@@kamikazekrush3758 record contracts can be some BS. idk that was Goran singing on Norum’s version. I didn’t like it as much but only listened to it once. Hard to hear it when I’ve known Robert’s version in my head since release (what 35 fucking years ugh). The equivalent of discussion The Everly Brothers in the 80s or who should’ve sang lead on a Beatles song. 😆🤓
The story about that Mark could not be found was made up when Vinnie knew that Fleischman was quitting the band, Vinnie never wanted Mark, and gave him a hard time on tour, Mark says had said that in several interviews... Fleischman was a good fit for the first V.V.I. album. Edman is a great singer though...
These honestly sound way better(even in this quality) than whatever thinny sounding things appeared on the albums. Vinny probably went full Lars Ulrich on them in the end or something sadly
no....Vinnie really liked Goran Edman and wanted him as a vocalist in the group...But the management and managers of the studio considered that he would cost them too much financially since Gorun had Swedish citizenship, then during the tour a lot of legal and financial issues would arise problems so he was eventually finally replaced by a young 20 year old squeaky guy Mark Slaughter
@@viktorvasilievich5891 I'm talking more how the record turned out sound-wise vs these demos. I never liked how it sounded(and the "remaster" sound ever worse). Zero bass and just very shrill
if you recall interviews with Vinnie around the time of ASG,. he said he actually wanted Slaughter for the first album, but didn't know how to contact him. The story was that he'd heard his voice on the b side of someone else's audition tape iirc. How much truth there is in that I don't know.
@@viktorvasilievich5891 i don't think there was much mention of this in the Bobby Rock bio that came out a while ago. I actually enjoyed the book, but don't recall him mentioning this.
@@RavnerRavner you probably missed this chapter ... I also read this book .... there it is well written about it ... I also communicated with Goran on this matter ...
Even in these rough recordings, Goran's voice stands out. Though I think Slaughter had some fine moments on the ASG album, Goran would have been fantastic. He could sing Robert's lines better than Mark could. And now I open the can of worms....you also have to remember that Goran had to sing to the sped up versions of the songs. If you listen to the original album (and these tracks), you'll find the guitars are tuned to F standard...or, more than likely, sped up from E standard to F. Which in itself is crazy. If Vinnie wanted to speed the songs up to make himself seems faster, why didn't he tune to Eb standard and speed up to E? No one would have known! The fact that none of the ex-members (who have no love for him and Dana being a very good producer) said they saw Vinnie speed the songs up, just adds to the mystery! That said, Goran singing at the higher tuning makes it even more impressive!
you really wrote such nonsense of a madman .... Vinnie never accelerated songs and track on the record .... you were brainwashed with fake information, go learn history ..
Like i said, a can of worms! LOL I hope he didn't speed them up. The guitar transcription book by Wolf Marshall says, "guitars sped up a half step". Whether Vinnie or the record company did or didn't, still doesn't negate the fact that if you want to play along with the album, you need to tune your guitar up half a step! If you own a guitar, try play along in standard tuning and you'll find you can't because you'll be a half step flat. Try playing the simple riff in Twisted. Bending the 4th fret Ab on the low E string with your pinky, then pulling off to the F when you can clearly tell that the F is an open string means that the guitars were tuned to F or, were sped up!
@@shramiac this is a ridiculous rumor about acceleration ... he never accelerated them ... I personally saw him at a party and we talked with him about this and the guitars were so tuned
@@viktorvasilievich5891 You got to one of Vinnie's parties? That's great! Like I said, none of the ex-members said Vinnie sped it up. Tuning the guitar to F is still weird though and you can see why people are sceptical. I still love those albums either way.
The label wanted Mark Slaughter to sing for Vinnie and Vinnie wanted Göran Edman. Göran Edman has such a clear and great voice compared to Mark Slaughter.
first VVI album would have been so much better With Goran. He hit it out of the park with Yngwie. Goran has a very smooth vibrato, super clean, melodic singer. Its like Robert Fleischman sings in the same range the entire album, its just shrill at times. Mark was a better fit for the band and All Systems Go was a better album
VVI was so aggressive and so over the top that as great as Goran Edman is his more understated voice wasn't the right fit. Mark Slaughter was the right choice.
Mark Slaughter was a terrible choice ... And it was not Vinnie who chose him but the leadership and managers ... Vinnie wanted Goron Edman to join the team, but how Goran is not from the USA ... a lot of problems could start with a Visa, etc. ... The management decided to take the young and utterly incompetent Mark, the very ones with saving money ..... Mark himself turned out to be a bad person ...
@@viktorvasilievich5891 Mark improved as a vocalist on the Slaughter albums. I disagree that he was incompetent. On the VVI tours he sounded pretty bad live though
you mus't be kidding right? Mark can't be compared? of course not! Mark is powerful and have a incredible vocal range. Much better than Robert and in the same level of Goran
@@AllanJonesband You must be kidding, right? Mark Slaughter just plain isn't in the same caliber as Robert Fleischman or Goran Edman when it comes to range or power. Just listen to the high notes in live VVI performances, or tracks from All Systems Go. Mark has to scream/squeal to hit them, unlike Robert or Goran. I'm not saying Mark isn't a good singer, he's just not quite as vocally capable as the former VVI singers. I even prefer Vinnie's voice over Mark's, have you heard the Warrior demos? Vinnie had a rich and powerful voice, maybe not the widest range, but a lot of soul and character.
@@AllanJonesband Mark Slaughter sounded like crap in live shows but was good in the studio. The issue is that I think both Goran and Robert suited the band much better. Vinnie didn't want Slaughter, he wanted Goran as a replacement.
@@Atari2600Gamer Mark has hit some of the highest notes ever laid on tape in the 80s but his head voice sounded quite different compared to Goran and Fleischman, who also IN FACT frequently incorporated the use of head voice or reinforce falsetto to reach these notes, but I think they mastered the art of matching it to the sound of their chest voice more than Slaughter, making their head voice sound incredibly convincing, it's difficult to spot where they switch to head voice or when they belt chest voice. That's the point of this style of singing basically. Mark hadn't quite mastered that yet but while in the band Slaughter he improved as a vocalist.
Vinnie told Goran to copy Fleischman (singer on the first album) and had chosen Goran as a replacement. The record label however didn't want Goran and chose Slaughter instead which Vinnie never wanted.
Horror Metal Depot No Göran Edman would have got the band to the top instead of slaughter who just got in trouble with Vinnie cause he didn’t want Slaughter in the band
Nope the record company wanted Mark not the band and thats the thing he didn’t fit like Göran would have and if Göran would have got in to the band then they would have been big Really freaking big
Goran sounds heaps better than both singers VVI had. I haven’t properly listened to “All systems go”, a few singles were ok. The 1st album is ruined by the vocals and Vinnie overplaying at just about every opportunity. I wish he’d stayed in KISS. Lick it up is brilliant and they tempered his playing well.
He should have got the job and the record company should have Stayed out of this cause Vinnie Vincent invasion could have been big and they could still be playing today if Göran Edman got this
Edman sounds good on these songs. Robert Fleischman still sang theses songs the best. Edman would have been a way better alternative then Mark Slaughter.
Much better than Slaughter but don't like all three of them. I don't hear a word they sing. Wish Vinnie would have had taste for lower pitch vocals, my first choice Danny Vaugn. Dynamite with him on vocals
Should of used this singer.... ! Mark slaughters voice us so annoying and just squealing noise... what a mistake... ! These demos sound better... than slaughter.!
That's right ... Vinnie really wanted Goran Edman to be the vocalist ... but the producers and the studio felt that Goran would cost them dearly. since he is from Sweden and there will be a lot of legal problems .... they took this 20-year-old mediocre Mark ... but they thought it would be cheaper this way ... a big mistake
0:00 Back on the Street
2:36 Boyz R Gonna Rock
5:25 No Substitute
7:19 Do You Wanna Make Love
9:34 Baby-O
11:39 Shoot U Full of Love
14:36 Animal
This demo explains the reason why "Back on the Streets" appears on first John Norum LP. Goran knew how great this song was. Thanks for sharing.
Superb! Göran is 💯
Love Goran's voice, most notably on Total Control with John Norum. What an amazing talent.
The John Norum version of Back on the Streets is the definitive version of this song. Amazing.
@@edcollins9377 He is pretty damn awesome! Feel free to check this out. From our first album, Fortress. It featured Bryan Cole on vocals, though Roy Cathey is now our lead singer. Vinnie and John Norum are two of my favorite guitarists so it only seemed natural to cover.
th-cam.com/video/hTxNAaiWy3w/w-d-xo.html
@@edcollins9377 John Norum's version of Thin Lizzy's Wild One too
Dang this is badass! I loved his vocals on Yngwie’s albums
I thought the opposite.. never liked he's "all out power vocals" on yngwie's albums but they were good none the less. He has a more strong sensitive soft voice that fits in with this kind of music better.
@@Annatar0 I agree, and he was very bad live with Malmsteen
The debut VVI was an underrated monster.
Two great albums ruined by ridiculous screechy vocals.
The first one actually reached platinum status as I know
I never knew this existed. Love Vinnies playing and fan of Gorans voice. Love the official Back On The Streets.
think this is too heavy
stuff for his voice 😀👍
Awesome Göran!
Goran Edman Great Singer 🎤🎵🎼🎶🎤😎👊
This sounds amazing! I can’t believe I am just hearing this now 😢
OMG this album would have been insane with Edman. The next one too ;-)
No one can outdo Robert Fleischman.
Thanks so much for this! One of my favorite albums of all time. Ironically so is Fire and Ice. I will say I'm happy with Robert getting the job on the L.P., what a great record!
This guy sounds great. 🤘
Because is the fucking Goran Edman, could it be otherwise?
For me Robert was the top one!!! But Goran sounds excellent and stable.it would have bee an excellent choice after Roberts "departure"....
🎤🎤⭐️⭐️
I thought this dudes best performance was on the Yngwie Malmsteen album " Fire and Ice". Great singer, Great Voice.
His chops on Eclipse weren’t bad either. Probably a little biased because Eclipse was a killer record. Non the less he’s a very good singer.
Eclipse!! Is his masterpiece, and that other guy to , yngwie
Yngwiue hates Fire and Ice reportedly but I think it's a killer album.
@@erteltsa + Yngwie is a great musician, but a severe mental case. The poor child can't help himself.
You should check out Madison - Diamond Mistress with Goran Edman
Thank you so much for this great material!
Reminds me of Black Sabbath missing out on Ray Gillen.
Damn, awesome singer
Goran edman love love .
Master
Some of his annunciation is off but boy does this guy have pipes! I wonder if he could pull this off on a tour. Mark was definitely hurting on tour this so hard to sing. I'd love to hear Mark's audition tapes. The best tapes though are Vinnie humming all the high melodies as he writes the songs on his acoustic or 4 track. One guy on here has parts of all of the All Systems Go songs with Vinnie singing but they are like 11 seconds a piece or something. Cool upload Vik V!
Goran made a name of himself with Yngwie Malmsteen on the Odyssey album and tour. Check it out, he most definitely pulls it off. A great singer by all standards.
odyssey was joe lynn turner
Sorry meant Eclipse of course
With Goran singing it takes this stuff to a whole new level! Truly superb!
More melodic and not as shrill and piercing as the vocals that ended up on the record.
Nothing against Fleishman. He can sing really beautiful, but the VVI vocals all sound like he's trying to break glass.
I’m not into these kind of ultra high notes singers, but I like Goran! It seems like his voice is always ready to go to the moon (same as Robert). It would have been a perfect fit... in fact he joins Malmsteen later. Just to say... in these demos, the voice is mixed better than in the Yngwie records with Goran.
Goran said that it was too high for him, and he could't singt it always so high. His range naturally lower.
I love these types of vocals. It's what really impressed me with VVI the first time I heard it.
One of the reasons why I love the 80s
I admire the talent it takes to be able to pull this off.
No wonder he got the job.
Shame the record company decided they wanted a dude with an inferior voice, just because he happened to be American.
Goran would have had a lot of financial and legal problems ....
@@viktorvasilievich5891 Well, he didn't exactly dodge that bullet. I think Göran wound up suing Yngwie Malmsteen later on (and winning) for songwriting credit.
Razorfist, possibly cover Vinnie Vincent :P
@@TheRageaholic Razorfist, please do a video on the Vinnie Vincent Invasion. It's a great story of ego and implosion.
Mark Slaughter had a great voice as well, Jeff Scott Soto was up for this gig as well
I like his voice a lot more than Slaughter's.......Wish I could have heard his take on "Invasion"
You do know that Slaughter didn't sing on the Invasion record??
Yes, Obviously! Would still like to hear his take on the song "Invasion"
technically you heard Fleischmann's voice.not Slaughter's
Same, I much prefer him.
He said in the interview that Vinnie asked him to sing in Robert Fleishcman's style and it was very hard for him. He actually was pretty sure that he could ruin his voice performing this songs live. Ot was too high even for Edman.
Edman sounds even better than I expected when I heard there is VVI demo with him. Much better than Vinnie`s chosen singers. Göran was fantastic with Yngwie.
This audition occurred after Robert had left the band and Edman was in fact Vinnie's first choice as a replacement for Robert Fleischman. The label chose Slaughter because he was american basically
Goran is awesome!!!! Interesting i had never listened to this before!! Wow!!!! he sounded a lot like Robert, i can see why Vinnie wanted him!!
Awesome!!! Thanks for uploading!!!
xoxo The Clarences
I love göran edman voice.
great man!!! thanks for uploading, is this the only version of Goran singing Back on the streets?
How did you get this tape? This is very interesting to hear these behind the scenes tapes.
Very good singer, would've fit perfectly in VVI
Goran had a great studio voice. He’s great on this demo. I saw him live with Malmsteen and the voice was a disaster.
Muito bom!
Dana ended the Vinnie Vincent Invasion by choosing Mark over Goran. If Goran could work with Malmsteen, surely he could work with Vinnie.
They actually want to hire Goran, but there was issues due to his US work permission.
Robert Fleischman's vocal range sounds more structured. Also you can recognize the colour of his voice even in the top highs. Who knows what happened if the line up with Robert had not broken.
Cool
Great singer. He just sounds right on this stuff, would perhaps have been a better fit than either Fleischman or Slaughter.
Agreed
And agreed but he can't say the name Vinnie.
@@ziviaantjeverharius6165 Winnie Wincent? Is that why?? lol
In my opinion Fleischman was the best, maybe I'm wrong but to me it seems like his voice fits Vinnie's compositions and playing style perfectly.
This was the best vocalist for the album
Göran also played with Jayce Landberg. Look it up. I wish Yngwie wouldn’t have been such an ass and burn his bridges bc Göran was such a talented asset. Also, he’s a sweetheart.
You guys need to check out Madison Gorans heavy metal band from Sweden
Cara, não sei quem é melhor, goran, mark, robert ou o próprio vinnie vincent cantando
vinnie
robert
Todos cantam muito bem, mas o Mark não funciona com as músicas do primeiro disco nem a pau. Tem shows com o Mark na turnê do primeiro disco que Deus me livre.
Göran Edman is a fantastic singer however, nobody can copy the phenomenal Robert Fleischman!!! xoxo The Clarences
THE CLARENCES Robert is Awesome on the first album....power precision stratospheric notes emotion!!!!!ok the hair style could change.....the easiest part!!!!!
He sounds a bit like him, perhaps even better. Much better replacement than Slaughter I might add.
@@constantinosxenos5567 Robert rules!!! xoxo The Clarences
@@lrn_news9171 Interesting!!! xoxo The Clarences
Much prefer Goran
He does a great job...but what I don't get...is why Vinnie Vincent didn't just do the vocals himself. He was an amazing rock singer.
how do you imagine playing shreds and singing at the same time ???
@@viktorvasilievich5891 What do you think about the versions of Gypsy in Your Eyes and Back on the Streets with Vinnie singing though? Aren't those the best versions? Or are there other versions you prefer?
Vinnie wanted high pitch vocals, he couldn't do that himself.
@@viktorvasilievich5891 two words: Eric Johnson.
his song "Desert Rose" proves its possible
Agreed I want only Vinnie to sing. The only two singing lines I like on the first album are on back on the streets which Vinnie sings.
Good enough
Well, it had been damn fun to se him in "Shotgun Messiah"
Damn SM would have been such a better band with him holy crap.
"Trivsamma tonarter" as they say in swedish.
Mr. Goran "Fuck" Edman 🎤 Criminally Underrated
En mi humilde opinión, la voz de Goran Edman es como que mas melódica, enamora; pero la de Mark Slaughter es más rebelde mas agresiva y cayó a pelo para Vinnie Vincent Invasion.
Amo la voz de slaughter tanto como la de goran pero hubiera sido glorioso escuchar los 2 albumes de vinnie con goran en las voces
De acuerdo contigo hermano, ¡saludos desde México!
Damn. I loved Robert’s vocals. When I heard VV wanted some guy but couldn’t find him and then it was Slaughter I was like wth. I did like Slaughter’s debut album but he did NOT fit VVI and he was awful covering the first album live. This is the first time even knowing Goran was a possibility and not the range of RF but whoa. I think the album may have done better with Goran’s vocals bc he’s awesome and not verging on some Jim Gillette crazy range like Robert was hitting. Hands down one of the best albums of the 80s Production and promotion could’ve been much better
Robert wasn't hitting Jim Gillette highs
@@kamikazekrush3758 I’ll agree. I was exaggerating
@@kevinrosner8676 Haha! Goran has a beautiful voice, one of my all time favorites, apparently Vinnie wanted him, but the record company managment wanted an American singer, oh well, John Norum's version of Back on the Streets with Goran is one of my favorite songs ever
@@kamikazekrush3758 record contracts can be some BS. idk that was Goran singing on Norum’s version. I didn’t like it as much but only listened to it once. Hard to hear it when I’ve known Robert’s version in my head since release (what 35 fucking years ugh). The equivalent of discussion The Everly Brothers in the 80s or who should’ve sang lead on a Beatles song. 😆🤓
The story about that Mark could not be found was made up when Vinnie knew that Fleischman was quitting the band, Vinnie never wanted Mark, and gave him a hard time on tour, Mark says had said that in several interviews...
Fleischman was a good fit for the first V.V.I. album.
Edman is a great singer though...
I prefer Goran's vocal over Roberts.
Less shrill than Robert ....
you are not singing like that for a full tour
These honestly sound way better(even in this quality) than whatever thinny sounding things appeared on the albums. Vinny probably went full Lars Ulrich on them in the end or something sadly
no....Vinnie really liked Goran Edman and wanted him as a vocalist in the group...But the management and managers of the studio considered that he would cost them too much financially since Gorun had Swedish citizenship, then during the tour a lot of legal and financial issues would arise problems so he was eventually finally replaced by a young 20 year old squeaky guy Mark Slaughter
@@viktorvasilievich5891 I'm talking more how the record turned out sound-wise vs these demos. I never liked how it sounded(and the "remaster" sound ever worse). Zero bass and just very shrill
A shame they didn't hire him.
This sounds better than slaughter
if you recall interviews with Vinnie around the time of ASG,. he said he actually wanted Slaughter for the first album, but didn't know how to contact him. The story was that he'd heard his voice on the b side of someone else's audition tape iirc. How much truth there is in that I don't know.
Yeah that was a bs story. Vinnie never wanted Slaughter, the label did.
Vinnie wanted Goran after Robert left.
That was a made up story they came up with when they knew Fleischman was quitting the band, Vinnie never wanted "the kid" as he called him...
Vinnie sang his songs the best, period.
I think they made the right choice going with Robert Fleischman his voice fits better!!! A REALLY STRONG VOICE!!!
This audition was after Robert ..
Ok Sorry didn't know it was after Robert! Nice Voice!!!
@viktorvasilievich5891 what was the reason Goran didn't make it... .this is crazy
So *before* Fleischman there was someone else?
Everything is written under the video ... this is a record from the audition .... after Fleischman
after fleischman , before slaughter ?
@@viktorvasilievich5891 i don't think there was much mention of this in the Bobby Rock bio that came out a while ago. I actually enjoyed the book, but don't recall him mentioning this.
@@RavnerRavner you probably missed this chapter ... I also read this book .... there it is well written about it ... I also communicated with Goran on this matter ...
Shoot You Full of Love sounds like Fleishman to me.
Melhor que Robert Fleichman e Mark Slaughter
Even in these rough recordings, Goran's voice stands out. Though I think Slaughter had some fine moments on the ASG album, Goran would have been fantastic. He could sing Robert's lines better than Mark could.
And now I open the can of worms....you also have to remember that Goran had to sing to the sped up versions of the songs. If you listen to the original album (and these tracks), you'll find the guitars are tuned to F standard...or, more than likely, sped up from E standard to F. Which in itself is crazy. If Vinnie wanted to speed the songs up to make himself seems faster, why didn't he tune to Eb standard and speed up to E? No one would have known! The fact that none of the ex-members (who have no love for him and Dana being a very good producer) said they saw Vinnie speed the songs up, just adds to the mystery! That said, Goran singing at the higher tuning makes it even more impressive!
you really wrote such nonsense of a madman .... Vinnie never accelerated songs and track on the record .... you were brainwashed with fake information, go learn history ..
Like i said, a can of worms! LOL I hope he didn't speed them up.
The guitar transcription book by Wolf Marshall says, "guitars sped up a half step". Whether Vinnie or the record company did or didn't, still doesn't negate the fact that if you want to play along with the album, you need to tune your guitar up half a step! If you own a guitar, try play along in standard tuning and you'll find you can't because you'll be a half step flat. Try playing the simple riff in Twisted. Bending the 4th fret Ab on the low E string with your pinky, then pulling off to the F when you can clearly tell that the F is an open string means that the guitars were tuned to F or, were sped up!
@@shramiac this is a ridiculous rumor about acceleration ... he never accelerated them ... I personally saw him at a party and we talked with him about this and the guitars were so tuned
@@viktorvasilievich5891
You got to one of Vinnie's parties? That's great! Like I said, none of the ex-members said Vinnie sped it up. Tuning the guitar to F is still weird though and you can see why people are sceptical.
I still love those albums either way.
Vinnie never sped up any song or solo on the album. You can watch VVI live shows on youtube and he played that fast live.
The label wanted Mark Slaughter to sing for Vinnie and Vinnie wanted Göran Edman.
Göran Edman has such a clear and great voice compared to Mark Slaughter.
I like Goran's voice on these songs a lot better. Far less screechy.
first VVI album would have been so much better With Goran. He hit it out of the park with Yngwie. Goran has a very smooth vibrato, super clean, melodic singer. Its like Robert Fleischman sings in the same range the entire album, its just shrill at times. Mark was a better fit for the band and All Systems Go was a better album
I really agree with your whole comment
are you sure Goran sings on every song?
Absolutely, this is a complete tape from listening .... you need to be either a deaf or dumb idiot to think that this is someone else singing ...
@@viktorvasilievich5891 Why or? it is and. I'm a deaf and dumb idiot. In fact simply an idiot.
VVI was so aggressive and so over the top that as great as Goran Edman is his more understated voice wasn't the right fit. Mark Slaughter was the right choice.
Mark Slaughter was a terrible choice ... And it was not Vinnie who chose him but the leadership and managers ... Vinnie wanted Goron Edman to join the team, but how Goran is not from the USA ... a lot of problems could start with a Visa, etc. ... The management decided to take the young and utterly incompetent Mark, the very ones with saving money ..... Mark himself turned out to be a bad person ...
@@viktorvasilievich5891 Mark improved as a vocalist on the Slaughter albums. I disagree that he was incompetent. On the VVI tours he sounded pretty bad live though
Its a real shame they didn't put him in the band. He sounds great, Mark Slaughter is nothing compared to Robert and Goran
you mus't be kidding right? Mark can't be compared? of course not! Mark is powerful and have a incredible vocal range. Much better than Robert and in the same level of Goran
@@AllanJonesband You must be kidding, right? Mark Slaughter just plain isn't in the same caliber as Robert Fleischman or Goran Edman when it comes to range or power. Just listen to the high notes in live VVI performances, or tracks from All Systems Go. Mark has to scream/squeal to hit them, unlike Robert or Goran. I'm not saying Mark isn't a good singer, he's just not quite as vocally capable as the former VVI singers. I even prefer Vinnie's voice over Mark's, have you heard the Warrior demos? Vinnie had a rich and powerful voice, maybe not the widest range, but a lot of soul and character.
@@AllanJonesband Mark Slaughter sounded like crap in live shows but was good in the studio. The issue is that I think both Goran and Robert suited the band much better. Vinnie didn't want Slaughter, he wanted Goran as a replacement.
@@Atari2600Gamer Mark has hit some of the highest notes ever laid on tape in the 80s but his head voice sounded quite different compared to Goran and Fleischman, who also IN FACT frequently incorporated the use of head voice or reinforce falsetto to reach these notes, but I think they mastered the art of matching it to the sound of their chest voice more than Slaughter, making their head voice sound incredibly convincing, it's difficult to spot where they switch to head voice or when they belt chest voice. That's the point of this style of singing basically.
Mark hadn't quite mastered that yet but while in the band Slaughter he improved as a vocalist.
Fleishman is the best !
Great vocals, they should pursue this option. The singers that sang the vocals on the VV albums, were all a disappointment.
Vinnie told Goran to copy Fleischman (singer on the first album) and had chosen Goran as a replacement. The record label however didn't want Goran and chose Slaughter instead which Vinnie never wanted.
Better than Mark's Laugher
He sounds like Mark Slaughter
Just a little bit. Not a lot
@Amber H I know makes no sense Slaughter was the better choice for the band even though I like Goran as well
Horror Metal Depot No Göran Edman would have got the band to the top instead of slaughter who just got in trouble with Vinnie cause he didn’t want Slaughter in the band
Goran is great no doubt, but I think Mark Slaughter was the better choice
Nope
Nope the record company wanted Mark not the band and thats the thing he didn’t fit like Göran would have and if Göran would have got in to the band then they would have been big Really freaking big
Goran sounds heaps better than both singers VVI had. I haven’t properly listened to “All systems go”, a few singles were ok. The 1st album is ruined by the vocals and Vinnie overplaying at just about every opportunity. I wish he’d stayed in KISS. Lick it up is brilliant and they tempered his playing well.
you're talking nonsense....you obviously have crappy tastes
The first album was great, love the vocals, also Goran does kinda sound like Fleischman here.
I think Goran is better than Robert, however I think Mark did fit the second record well, no complaints on that one
He should have got the job and the record company should have Stayed out of this cause Vinnie Vincent invasion could have been big and they could still be playing today if Göran Edman got this
Soooooooooo much better than that guy who did the first album.
Edman sounds good on these songs. Robert Fleischman still sang theses songs the best. Edman would have been a way better alternative then Mark Slaughter.
Much better than Slaughter but don't like all three of them. I don't hear a word they sing. Wish Vinnie would have had taste for lower pitch vocals, my first choice Danny Vaugn. Dynamite with him on vocals
Roberts voice imo was more powerful and fit these songs better
Should of used this singer.... ! Mark slaughters voice us so annoying and just squealing noise... what a mistake... ! These demos sound better... than slaughter.!
That's right ... Vinnie really wanted Goran Edman to be the vocalist ... but the producers and the studio felt that Goran would cost them dearly. since he is from Sweden and there will be a lot of legal problems .... they took this 20-year-old mediocre Mark ... but they thought it would be cheaper this way ... a big mistake
I wish Edman got this gig , two great albums with yngwie came later ❤️