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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2008
- In this first part, lead guitarist Jorma Kaukonen and bassist Jack Casady discuss with Forbes Adventurer Jim Clash Woodstock, Monterey Pop and pioneering the San Francisco sound of the 1960s. As founding members of Jefferson Airplane, they were inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1996. See Part 2, Hot Tuna, at www.forbes.com/tothelimits
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Jack and Jorma really are true gentlemen. Great interview.
Love how Jorma credits the songwriters in the band for giving him a canvas to paint on. These guys are talented as hell, intelligent and humble to boot.
I.P. Knightly Finnish Roots
However he speaks the truth.
His "painting" was perfect on the first two albums but, from Baxter's on, he started using way too much "colour". Translate the last word in that sentence as blues-noodle-tedium.
@@blackmore4 did Jorma steal your girlfriend, or personally offend you in another way. You chase around from entry to entry on here with the same ridiculous analysis.
Jaco Pastorius of Finnish roots as well, right? I read where he and Jorma crossed paths at some point, not sure whether they played together.
I didn't go to Woodstock... I was working at the Gaslight folk music club in the Village, in NYC and my boss Sam Hood, wanted me to "hold down the fort" that entire weekend. So I did. Who knew Woodstock would turn out the way it did? But lots of the musicians played at the Gaslight later on, so it worked out (sort of). Boy, those were the days! I still can't believe we had such an incredible, literal mind-blowing times. Wow.
yeah, I know the feeling, my freshman year in college, just started first semester, one of my dorm mates from NY was going and made me an offer to ride along with him.... I regret not taking him up on that, not wanting to disappoint my parents and jeopardizing my status in school );
Let’s hope they come around again..I missed it but the waves shook my life years later. Damn cultural revolution , I actually thought everyone with long hair was somehow in my tribe and that we had some magic shared secret. A bit naive for today but with so many thinking the same at one time years ago....it was as real as it gets. We are all brothers!
These 2 fellas are true to heart PROfessionals. Jorma can play in a way that looks so easy and light fingered. But he can make the guitar itself go out of the universe. That is a pro. Jack actually considers himself a pro and he should! But he could also take you out of this realm. This world. This stratosphere. Just as Jorma can. These guys are REAL musicians. Not hippy dippy sling-it-out playing. I love them dearly and respect them and I have ADORED their albums (vinyl) since my early teens ♥
I was only 12 when the Airplane played. My mom, so damn cool, bought me the Woodstock Trilogy. She knew the music I loved. But I did attend Watkins Glen. The best weekend I have ever had. It may have rained, and I came home with one shoe, but I’d do it again. All three bands.......constant music and I cannot remember anyone sleeping! Thanks! Yes, I was way too young to go, but I threatened to run away. She trusted me, but wasn’t happy when she saw how many people were already on their way. I had a ticket, as did the 50 of us on the bus we rented. Loved the largest music jam ever. Thanks
To THE BAND!
Thank you so very much! I'm I'm impressed with your kindness as well as reading my message. 🙏🥰🙏 Best to you and yours 🐘
Airplane was the only band to perform in all three major festivals, Monterey, Altamont, and Woodstock
mikemoair lol...omgoodness....
A tribute to their greatness.
The Grateful Dead was at all 3 shows as well....but backed out of playing at Altamont when the shit started to hit the fan......so technically your original statement is still correct....
Jack Cassidy is the shizzzz....So is Jorma......He was a tweeker was a little while. Glad he got away from it. That was the energy at Altamonte, hence all the violence, including Meredith Hunter who unfortunately had blood in his eyes and was going to use the gun he pulled out before he was stabbed to death by a Hells Angel. Too bad it went down like that, but a little too much tweek going around at that festival. The other two were missing that element hence they were not Violent like the other one.
B Green it’s always the tweekers
this one of the best interviews I have ever seen. Jack, Jorma and Jim get into some deep stuff . Wonderful thank you ! Long live Hot Tuna, Jefferson Airplane and the San Francisco Sound!
Jorma said they were moderately talented. Huh?? Jack became one of the most recognized Bass players of the era. Jorma's lead on Wooden Ships is one of the greatest I have ever heard. When they became Hot Tuna, they became the Blues - Folk Duo that was in their core. These 2 guys are the best. Along with Grace & Marty's vocals, they were the true heart & soul of the Airplane.
He was being humble. Bragging can sound pretty cheesy.
Please don't forget Spenser Dryden, a criminally underrated drummer.
Synergy: The whole was greater than the sum of its parts. Individual egos couldn't coexist as a whole, contrary to the collective ideal of the 60s. Too bad because Hot Tuna and Jefferson Starship, weren't as "artistically creative" as the Jefferson Airplane.
Theo Lamp ...Jorma may have just been modest. He may not wanted to sound like he has an ego.
Bands back in the day just loved to play music and let the world know of something they had to say.
Yeah. Bach and Beethoven were "moderately" talented too...
My sister tried to get to Woodstock, but the highways were jammed, she missed it. Wow, these guys are still alive & kicking, great! Jack & Jorma were my heroes for years - still are, of course.
I met jorma after a gig in San Diego! He was carrying is guitar and a bottle of Jack! I was born in San Francisco! My mother show me around Height Ashbury! When I was a child I met sal Valentino from the Beau brummels! I saw Carlos Santana in Hayward 1966! Later on I became a member of the Hari Krishna movement! Now I'm a grandpa not a monk anymore! Read The Vedas love Jesus Christ! Also got to work with George Harrison! Now I'm 64! In my wife still loves me! Namaste
I can’t imagine going from playing places like the Matrix Club, which held maybe 40 people, to playing crowds of 300,000+ a few years later. That’s crazy.
"It's always a psychedelic blur for me when I'm onstage". Jorma FTW!
Marty Balin just died recently and he was a big part of this band.
Damn, that’s the first I’d heard. Marty was part of my early soundtrack, RIP brother. I,m walking in your giant footsteps .
Their additions to White Rabbit pure inspiration, great art & awesome creativity!
Pure class, intelligence, and talent. Jorma and Jack (oh, Jack! ;-) are amazing individually and their interaction truly a synergy.
As someone else noted, you have to laugh when you hear Jorma describe himself and Jack as "moderately talented." This is the most influential American finger-style guitarist of the past 50 years. Still. if you know Jorma (he was my teacher), it's a typical (under)statement for him.
Michael hedges? Maybe chet?
Maybe he is chalking their success up to hard work instead of talent?
Jack is one of the greatest bassists EVER...up there with Paul Mc, Flea, Geddy, Paco, etc...Jorma is definitely underrated. ..did he even make Rolling Stone top 100 guitarists?? (Like it really matters) Jorma was the one who all of the 60s guitar players emulated, not Clapton and Hendrix...that psychodelic, heavy fuzz tone, with that tense vibrato...THAT was the guitar sound of the 60s!
klmullins65 yeah he is number 54 on the list I believe
John Entwhistle (The Who), Phil Lesh (Dead).
Roger mcguinn too.
Tony Levin played with soo many artists, I think he was one of the true bassists of the soundtrack of my life. Can't forget Sklar, Carol Kane, the list goes on!!! And if you don't know Jorma - you don't know Jack!!
There is a basist named brian bromberg..type in bromberg /hendrix...u will never look at the bass the same way again...
I loved the Airplane but I really loved Hot Tuna with Jorma and Jack. I literally burned up their first eight track tape!
They still play and tour together as Hot Tuna
A lot of people might not know that Jimi Hendrix wanted Jack Casady for his dream band with Drummer Mitch Mitchell and Organist Steve Winwood. Of course, everyone remembers “Voodoo Child” as sort of a jam, which it was, but it was also the impetus to the idea for Jimi’s super band. Anyone who’s ever really listened to Casady’s bass playing knows he was the genius that predated Jaco with bass feedback and harmonic overlays. Jack made the the Downbeat Magazine readers poll for best instrumentalist. A true creative player.
Wow! I never knew that! Jack and Winwood playing with Hendrix!!! Jimi knew! That would have have gone places no band has ever gone before!
@@dougpotosky4102 well, maybe. However, on the only Hendrix recording with Casaday, Voodoo Chile (slight return) the bass is absolutely lost in the mix. Barely perceptible. Sorry, Jack 😒
Jefferson Airplane live at Woodstock is by far my favorite live performance. Just listen to Wont you try/saturday afternoon. It will blow your mind.
They rock!!Both very underrated.
My favorite my favorite airplane album! Blows against the empire! Jerry Garcia on pedal steel guitar! Also David Crosby's album if I could only remember my name! Everybody playing on that one! Goodnight universe 2020!
Jorma, Jack Marty Grace Paul Skip a unique grouping of people who created music that was original, ethereal and beautiful. There's something going on that is unexplainable, expansive and mysterious. It's not for analysis, rather it's to become one with.
Phil Corfield don't forget Spencer and Signey.....
the astrologers claim it is the influence of a trine in the outer slow moving planets, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, that lasted from about 64/65 til about 74/75 that is the source of that inexplicable expansive mysterious depth manifesting itself in our generation's music....
Don't forget Joey Covington (RIP)...
Yes! The Airplane where very special! I have my stories! R.I.P. Marty & Paul
@@dlsmpsn Joey gave me a ride home at sunrise in that classic car on the cover of Burgers! I was at the studio with Hot Tuna when they where mixing the album Burgers. Now! That was a night for the books!
Awesome interview!!!! Thank you for sharing that!!!
Legends
Thanks for posting. I used to go to Hot Tuna concerts in the Bay Area as often as I could back in the day.
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Richard Burt lucky man
yep, when it was impossible to get Dead tix around their annual New Year's run, we'd see Hot Tuna at the Fillmore, when Papa John Creach was part of the group. I always remember telling myself... THIS should be top priority and only go to GD shows if Hot Tuna tix were sold out and impossible to find
Jack is one of the greatest bass players ever. Seriously one of the top 5 to ever pick up the instrument. Just saw Electric Hot Tuna live and was amazed at how good they sounded and particularly Jack's basa playing
I loved this band since my teens. Jack and Jorma? The best!
Funny how much Jorma snd Jerry sound alike. Ty. Great stuff. Up against the wall indeed.
very talented musicians thank you.
LOVE! LOVE! LOVE!
i was up past albany n didnt know the festival would be so huge...cousin tried to get there but road was blocked.
at 4:56 Jorma says "Moderately" talented, are you kidding???? He is one the best guitarists ever,
I am from Portland Oregon. Is there a record of the Airplane playing in Portland? I did a lot of drugs in the 60's and 70's and THINK I remember seeing JA back then. Of course I lived in San Francisco as well - so it might have been there. I remember the "Light Show" and the music --
Wow-humility, intelligence, what a concept!
Legendary Band the Airplane ……it was a disparate group of magic 🪄 miracle ….Slick was everything and more that Joplin could never have been !!
"I had a great song to play and I got lucky" Wow-what a stud.
Jorma and Jack grandi!! Mauri 1960
----- This is fun stuff... Jack was underrated on the bass, Hot Tuna really shows that off more than the Airplane stuff did, but they were really the sum total of their parts--Kaukonen makes that really clear in the interview... Great how Jorma says he 'got lucky' with the late solo on "Somebody to Love", then credits the writers for the songs they wrote-- Grace, Paul & Marty (R.I.P)... That kind of closeness is rare in today's hyped-up milieu of over-exposed electrified divas and rap-tainted hogwash... It was what it was, wasn't it??...
Great musicians
well said
I've always heard that if you can remember being at Woodstock you weren't there.
@Barbara Kennedy not according to the many celebrities I'm quoting that were there
@Barbara Kennedy lighten up Barbara why are you giving me a hard time for repeating a well-worn phrase by many of the performers who were there.
That became a tongue-in-cheek joke in the 70's. A LOT of people claimed they were there and weren't. That was a comeback line to all of those lying jokers back in the day.
"What pedals did you use?" "They didn't have pedals back then." And in the decades since, countless inventors and have tried to reverse engineer what Jorma has in his fingers. He's one of a kind.
Okay. I understand. Jorma is an excellent musician, just because that's who he is; but he recognizes the 2nd requirement: Being lucky. And so, anyone who has a song, Play it. Even if it's at home, when you used to play in public. The artist is the 1st audience. If you don't like it, they won't either. And thanks, Jorma. For the space between the notes. For "Embryonic Journey", "Song For the North Star". Ir's cool that "Jefferson Airplane" and "Hot Tuna" showed what Diverse would really mean.
YIKES
This is what books on the subject cleary state.
who's the artist Jorma credits at 6:30? sounds like"Bill Arrow", but that's not bringing up any results
Casady is talking about the composition, Bolero, composed by Maurice Ravel. Give it a listen. Good shit. Then listen to Beck's Bolero.
@Denvrdave, at 5:30, Kaukonen said "I owe them a DEBT of gratitude", not a Dead of gratitude. Geez, put the bong down.
Some people get "lucky"! LOL
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I care. I was 16 years old and too far and way, way too immature to go. If you weren't around then I'm afraid there is no way to explain to you what the incredible love and harmony among half a million people at Woodstock meant. This country was at war in Vietnam and friends were dying. The televised violence at the Democratic convention in Chicago was still on people's minds. People expected violent rioting as the crowd at Woodstock mushroomed. Instead there was only peace.
umm the grateful dead?????????? true they refused at Altamont, but that was agfter Marty got KOd
Wait.Do you pronounce Jorma's name.Pronounce J or Y
Like Y. He's of Finnish ancestry, and has a Finnish name, so J in Finnish is pronounced like Y.
i have heard these guys did not like being in the band and the drama surrounding the band
Woodstock...
... a stock of peace, wonderful music and love.
For those that might've missed the magic... th-cam.com/video/cJ0onxQIY_w/w-d-xo.html
Jorma and Jack, Mann's Fate, '69
marty and grace were out of their minds at woodstock
Doesn't Jorma look like Felonious Falafel here on YT? Wondering if he's forklift certified now...
I think u gave this to me
Oh not with grace nevermind
Unique time in history. Baby Boomers coming of age. Drugs, weed, wine alcohol sex. Youth. and the freaking politics. Good God the war.
Always lookd at woodstock era as changing humans for the better, but now Im not so sure how is there so much hate, racism in the world....(now I will just wait for the typical hateful reply)....
You are right,woodstock nation sold out.old saying but true.
It's anybody BUT the hippies fault that the world sucks. AS for the shallow 'sell outs' most of them were fakes from the beginning.The true talents did NOT sell out but left us a legacy of art, humanity and hope that still enthuses those youth who get exposed to this like my 18 year old son!
There actually isn't. Stop listening to today's main stream media that sesationalize hate and racism for ratings.
How did Jorma figure out the haunting guitar lead? Uh, Jerry Garcia showed him. Jerry re-worked a bunch of the Surrealistic Pillow album. This is widely known.
they refuse to play with paul kanter
grace slick said so
Grace just refuses to perform rock on a stage any more. It's not because of Paul.
Hooptie Hamburger its because of her age but she claims the guitar and bass player don't want to perform with PAUL that's JORMAN AND JACK DOINT WANT TO PLAY WITGH PAUL
MichaelHansenFUN
That is because he is dead.
Hooptie Hamburger this was before he died
MichaelHansenFUN
We are past that point. He died a few months ago.
Stop saying 'San Francisco sound'. For the love of Christ, please stop it.
Sorry... there really was a sound -same fuzz , same whammy,.(Big Brother,Quicksilver,Moby Grape,Country Joe ,Grateful Dead)....but read 13th floor elevator bio and their migration between TX & San Fran for a bigger picture!
Sorry pal but there is still the san francisco sound. Lots of great musicians from the bay. Many still play today
BS
The only thing I've seen since that's at all comparable was the amazing crowd at the Obama inauguration this January. I hope to live long enough to reminisce about that significant event in another 40 years.
Too bad buddy. He turned out to be a loser.
Why'd you have to bring obama up....this thread was going so well.