I hope you enjoyed this deep analysis of the historicity of Socrates! Feedback welcome as always. Here are some other videos on the subject that you might enjoy: Gregory B. Sadler lecture on Republic Book 2: th-cam.com/video/nMNrnBFT8Vs/w-d-xo.html School of Life, Why Socrates Hated Democracy: th-cam.com/video/fLJBzhcSWTk/w-d-xo.html 8bit philosophy, Who Was Scorates? th-cam.com/video/bJUuOnsRcvc/w-d-xo.html
if I wanted to establish myself as the preeminent philosopher of my time, it might be a good idea to invent a brilliant fictional personal mentor who was always winning every argument in my works (but for some reason never wrote any works himself), and then kill off that fictional mentor, leaving me as the de facto successor to the wisest person in the world
It is just like that today. Sophists (people that argue terribly using fallacy) usually (even to this day) either just shut up when they are verbally beaten or lash out and lose face in the absence of an actual argument. Funny how times change, but people do not.
+Mr. Beat's Social Studies Channel pretty much. To seek answers is the point, even when it looks like we can't really know. Such is the human condition, I guess :/
+Advait Varma Thanks for watching! He'll certainly be included in my series about the Presidency, but I can't promise 'soon'. Those are the kind of videos I research the longest, so production takes extra time.
I bet we all knew someone like Socrates in our lives at some point. He's that mildly Aspie guy who always debates everyone about everything and doesn't stop until he can get a definite solution. I knew a physics PhD student like that. He was wicked smart and witty.
+Origin Stories thanks, origin stories. It's a slog to learn these things from scratch! As for the slide transition, I think I typed 'slide transition' into the TH-cam search bar. No joke! Evan Abrams made a good tutorial for it, if I'm not mistaken.
I always find those kind of statements funny. They are rooted in the thought that our current record-keeping is somehow not good enough to stand the test of time and, yes, while I know you are joking, is kind of just ignoring how far we have advanced technologically. Records today are so well-kept, people 1000 years from now would be able to read all about the people from today barring some kind of world-wide catastrophe....which is quite likely to either be nuclear war or global warming, so I suppose it is not that unlikely.
Nice! My only real criticism (gear up for it) is that, while you did definitely point it out, I don't feel you put enough emphasis on the fact that Aristophanes was a comic playwright, and he would already have been presenting a character of Socrates, not the actual Socrates (this may be just my personal opinion). For part of my A-levels I'm doing comic drama in the ancient world, and I literally just read the Clouds today. (Oh dear, it's already getting long, but oh well.) From the preface, in Alan H. Sommerstein's translation: 'and in The Clouds ... he [Aristophanes] returns to this theme, as a rustic father and his cityfied son come into contact with the new learning in all its major aspects - natural science, rhetoric, the new morality and the new irreligion. It made good dramatic sense for all these tendencies to be embodied in a single individual. Aristophanes could have created, if he had wanted to, a fictitious composite of the leading 'sophists' of the day - Protagoras, Antiphon, Diogenes of Apollonia, and others. Many, indeed, would argue that that was precisley what he did. But the tradition of Old Comedy was that major satirical targets should be given the identities, and usually the names, of actual contemporaries (like Lamachus in The Acharnians and Clean ['Paphlagon'] in the Knights); and Aristophanes gave his fictitious composite the identity and the name of Socrates.' Apparently, Aristophanes might have chosen Socrates because, unlike most other 'sophists' (for apparently some contemporaries may have simply called him a sophist, and he was even called one over half a century after his death) of the time, he was Athenian, 'was always in public places; his lifestyle was in certain respects unconventional, as we have noted; and (if we are to believe Plato) his appearance had something of the comically ugly about it.' The 'as we have noted' bit refers to this: 'Plato confirms, what we might otherwise have supposed to be a comic slander, that he rarely bathed or wore shoes.' Also, Plato seems to understood the play as more in jest than anything, because in one of his dialogues he has Aristophanes appear, and Plato does not seem to really censure him, despite it being possible that his characterization of Socrates as impious might have affected him later on in his trial. (Sorry if this is a bit long. No, WAY too long, but I just felt like rambling with random points. I've honestly lost all track of what this was about.)
+Fable Reader this is legitimate criticism, and I'd heard the interpretation that Aristophanes was simply using Socrates as a fill-in for sophists in general (could totally be true!), but I think this is addressed by me referring to Aristophanes as 'satire' on multiple occasions, and clearly stating that it was meant to be parody. I think the audience can determine the rest for themselves. In the end, it is a contemporary source that we can look at. None of the authors presented had any standard of historical accuracy like we would expect today, so we just take them for what they are, never forgetting their flaws or agendas. Plato blurs the line of fiction too. We don't ignore him, rather we take it with a huge grain of salt and draw comparisons with the limited sources we have. By the way, that's a cool topic for A levels. When's the exam period? Thanks for writing, and if you have more criticism, feel free to let me know.
You did do so, but (and this is really probably just how I would do it, because I would want to make it very, very clear) I just felt like it could have used more emphasis on that fact. It is indeed, and I completely agree with you. The exams are this summer, in May and June. Whoopee. (I don't dislike the module, I love it, but exams ... )
While I was watching a Plato documentary I heard how he wrote all of the writings of Socrates in first person and I wondered was Socrates even a real person did Plato just use a fictional Mentor as a scapegoat to iron out philosophical ideas.
What is the song beginning at 7:54 ? I listened to the three Kevin MacLeod songs in the description, this song wasn't among them. Great taste in music by the way
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I worked through those three songs detailed in the description, but I can't seem to find the last one you play. What would happen to be the name of it?
You forgot that there is a Socrates--of Athens--referenced in Thucydides history of the Peloponesian war. Of course, there's no reference that this was the teacher of Plato or Xenophon, but there obviously was a Socrates whose age could roughly correspond to the Socrates who taught Plato and Xenohon. But then again, you can always play the "historical source" game. Was there *really* a Genghis Khan? Sure, we've got some writings referring to him, but they could be mixing metaphor with reality like Plato did...
I know this is nit-picking, but it really surprised me that your translation uses an article before "Pireaus". Piraeus is a city. You wouldn't say "I'm going to the Chicago" would you? Actually, even in the original Ancient Greek text, there is no article ("Κατέβην χθές εις Πειραιά"). In any case, again, sorry for nit-picking. Your video was awesome and very informative, because most people think of Socrates in the way that Plato presents him. As a matter of fact, in my Ancient Greek Philosophy class (I am Greek by the way), we were only taught Plato's version of the story. So, thank you once more.
+gijijijijijijijijijijji no need to apologize for constructive criticism! I wondered the same thing. Perhaps Piraeus wasn't a official city at the time? My reading led me to believe that it was a series of docks. That being said, I even saw a battle map of the war with the Persians and Piraeus was marked there... We'd need a translation expert to tell us why it's been done this way. Thanks again for watching and glad you liked it. -Will
Suppose it's a matter of fluidity. Piraeus gives us 'pier' in English, so the Athenians might have considered the town "the piers" even if the locals though of it as a town.
Awesome! So... Do you think that, of the aspects of his mythos which are likely falsified, it was all Plato's invention? Or his 'legend' just picked up elements over time? (Or a healthy mix if the two :P) Looked at from this direction it's hard not to see the parallels between Socrates and some religious deities. Many are regarded as teachers and the values expressed through their stories are considered revelatory.
Socrates did indeed exist, of that there is little doubt. The question is where does Socrates begin and where does Plato add his own thoughts into his writings about the former? The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. Plato really liked Socrates. So it would be fair to draw the conclusion that some if not most of what Plato wrote about Socrates is true. Yet he couldn't help himself to add in some of his own thoughts in the mix. Thus what we get in Platos writings, is a mix between himself and Socrates. The two blend into one and the same.
So you asked if he was real but then you say he was. Why not have a better title so you don’t mislead people as much, maybe ‘Who Was Socrates?’ Because most of the video is based on what type of person he is, you base most of your information on one event that may or not be true based on no written record of Plato not having brothers. But it has a good final ending so I guess you can draw some moral or theme from this video. Just my thoughts, feel free to comment if you like.
Boy do I feel dumb, I never knew they were actual people,I thought they were popular pet names,like my girlfriends schnauzer s , I guess I should’ve asked
Dude, Aristophanes here has not the same credibility as the other two. It is the equivalent of someone in the future placing some of John Oliver's jokes, or any other alike, and claiming that is a legit view of someone of today. Also, I think it is a big leap of logic to go from doubting Plato's biased characterization of Socrates to accepting as equally valid the views of people who likely did not know Socrates nearly as well.
+EDY el O I think I made it pretty clear multiple times that Aristophanes was parody. The audience is smart enough to judge his credibility without me spelling it out any more than that.
+EDY el O but that is the exact content of the video. Click bait implies bait and switch, but this is a video about if Socrates was real, just like the title says.
Plenty of people assert that Socrates wasn't real, or may not have been. If you'd just heard that for the first time, saw this title, and watched the video, you'd know what you need to know. So I say it's no click-bait.
BCE is secular. BC is bias towards Christianity, a religion over 2/3 of the planet either does not believe in or actively dislikes. Majority opinion should rule in this regard. It is also the accepted scientific usage, so it is the proper term.
No, Socrates is a real person, that's widely known. In your video you just reassure what we have already known. If the video included any clue against Socrates' existence, missed by mainstream knowledge, then the title might have been suitable.
+Birgilios Marmaroglou it's a legitimate historical question which I examined. Unsubscribe button is there if digging through historical primary sources is too clickbait for you. Have a good one. -Will
It's the biggest tourist/commercial port in the Mediterranean. The part closest to me in the commercial part, so there's a lot of containers, the part farthest away is the cruise ship docks. During the Olympics, Queen Mary II docked there. The center of the city has a pretty opera house and a nice square (which is currently messed up due to subway works), but the rest of the city is noisy, polluted and dirty, but it has a picturesque part with taverns, restaurants, etc.
+Harris D. Afent. I was in Athens in 2016 and I went down to the beach area. That's not Piraeus, right? Piraeus is further west along the coastline from what I gather.
Maybe Socrates wasn't real. Doesn't really matter seeing as nobody is saying that we should restrict rights for gay and trans people because baby Socrates will cry. No one wants to ban teaching factual science such as evolution in public schools because of Socrates.
Was Socrates real? I will have to ask you a bunch of questions to find out.
+Step Back History I have a beverage you might enjoy. Rhymes with Demspock.
Socratic Seminar it is?
HIGHLY underrated comment.
it'd be cool if 2 millennia from now people debated if Superman was a historical figure or not
Won't happen because of a thing called the internet, unless of course some apocalyptic event happens and we lose all the info on the internet
but he died for our sins
Or a new, better system comes up and we just forget about the internet.
The debate began 8 months ago when you posted this.
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I hope you enjoyed this deep analysis of the historicity of Socrates! Feedback welcome as always. Here are some other videos on the subject that you might enjoy:
Gregory B. Sadler lecture on Republic Book 2: th-cam.com/video/nMNrnBFT8Vs/w-d-xo.html
School of Life, Why Socrates Hated Democracy: th-cam.com/video/fLJBzhcSWTk/w-d-xo.html
8bit philosophy, Who Was Scorates? th-cam.com/video/bJUuOnsRcvc/w-d-xo.html
HOLY CRAP. Just saw the end of the video. THANK YOU.
if I wanted to establish myself as the preeminent philosopher of my time, it might be a good idea to invent a brilliant fictional personal mentor who was always winning every argument in my works (but for some reason never wrote any works himself), and then kill off that fictional mentor, leaving me as the de facto successor to the wisest person in the world
The animation is this video is so well done. Thank you for leaving so many links in the description, I'm off on a Socrates binge now.
+Cogito I do my best to source things. Thanks for the kind words, cogito!
"rhetorically demolishes into silence" damn, that might be the coolest sentence i've ever heard haha
It is just like that today. Sophists (people that argue terribly using fallacy) usually (even to this day) either just shut up when they are verbally beaten or lash out and lose face in the absence of an actual argument. Funny how times change, but people do not.
Thank you Man you have explained the Socratic Problem in a very simple manner... Good Job...Greetings From Beirut..
+Elie Mokled thanks, Elise! Hi from Spain
I still cannot believe the Greeks had theatrical productions 2500 years ago. Crazy.
Paul Ancients weren't as stupid as we believe. Most of history to us is unknown.
very well edited. keep it up!
I love how the video lowkey goes through Socrates triple filter test, is it true, is it good, is it useful.
please keep making more videos, I love this channel and what you do. every time you upload its like getting your amazon package early.
awesome compliment! I'll keep making videos, promise!
I look forward to hearing about this video on your podcast.
+Soliloquy will definitely talk about it more on the next episode of TH-camrs United :)
*"By all means, get married. If it's a good marriage, you will have a good life. If not, you'll be a philosopher."*
So basically, Socrates was real, (probably?) but no one really knows how exactly how he was like and no one really cares (kind of like Jesus!)
+Mr. Beat's Social Studies Channel pretty much. To seek answers is the point, even when it looks like we can't really know. Such is the human condition, I guess :/
Mon ami, who would you have a long sit with if you had a time machine?
Well it kinda does if he was just a alcoholic tramp.
@MHM EEKK Christianity says Jesus Christ is a messenger of God. Islam also states that Jesus Christ is a messenger of God.
"No one really cares"? Tell that to 2.4 billion known Christians in the world.
Thanks 4 recommending mr beats channel,
got some binge-watching to do
+Nick Birkas enjoy, nick.
Socrates was real. He played for Corintians in Sao Paulo, Brasil 😎
Another wonderful video! It is always a delight listening to you. Will you be making a video on FDR anytime soon?
+Advait Varma Thanks for watching! He'll certainly be included in my series about the Presidency, but I can't promise 'soon'. Those are the kind of videos I research the longest, so production takes extra time.
Splendid! Thank you for your efforts.
I bet we all knew someone like Socrates in our lives at some point. He's that mildly Aspie guy who always debates everyone about everything and doesn't stop until he can get a definite solution. I knew a physics PhD student like that. He was wicked smart and witty.
Dude... I Iove your channel... I have been watching various episodes for the past 3 hours.
I enjoy your content. Very informative and thought provoking.
Absolutely amazing! Thanks!
OMG man your motion graphics are getting so good! how do you do that slide transition?
+Origin Stories thanks, origin stories. It's a slog to learn these things from scratch!
As for the slide transition, I think I typed 'slide transition' into the TH-cam search bar. No joke! Evan Abrams made a good tutorial for it, if I'm not mistaken.
1000 years from now, people will be asking "Who was this Simon, and why did he say all those things. issuing orders to people?"
I always find those kind of statements funny. They are rooted in the thought that our current record-keeping is somehow not good enough to stand the test of time and, yes, while I know you are joking, is kind of just ignoring how far we have advanced technologically. Records today are so well-kept, people 1000 years from now would be able to read all about the people from today barring some kind of world-wide catastrophe....which is quite likely to either be nuclear war or global warming, so I suppose it is not that unlikely.
“Socraets was real, duude.” -Bill and Ted
I recommend "picture this" by Joseph Hel;ller as being the best/entertaining examination of the socratic problem
Isn't it also a fact that the most recent copy we have anything that you've attributed to Socrates is ovre five hundred years after he was executed?
Nice! My only real criticism (gear up for it) is that, while you did definitely point it out, I don't feel you put enough emphasis on the fact that Aristophanes was a comic playwright, and he would already have been presenting a character of Socrates, not the actual Socrates (this may be just my personal opinion). For part of my A-levels I'm doing comic drama in the ancient world, and I literally just read the Clouds today. (Oh dear, it's already getting long, but oh well.) From the preface, in Alan H. Sommerstein's translation: 'and in The Clouds ... he [Aristophanes] returns to this theme, as a rustic father and his cityfied son come into contact with the new learning in all its major aspects - natural science, rhetoric, the new morality and the new irreligion. It made good dramatic sense for all these tendencies to be embodied in a single individual. Aristophanes could have created, if he had wanted to, a fictitious composite of the leading 'sophists' of the day - Protagoras, Antiphon, Diogenes of Apollonia, and others. Many, indeed, would argue that that was precisley what he did. But the tradition of Old Comedy was that major satirical targets should be given the identities, and usually the names, of actual contemporaries (like Lamachus in The Acharnians and Clean ['Paphlagon'] in the Knights); and Aristophanes gave his fictitious composite the identity and the name of Socrates.' Apparently, Aristophanes might have chosen Socrates because, unlike most other 'sophists' (for apparently some contemporaries may have simply called him a sophist, and he was even called one over half a century after his death) of the time, he was Athenian, 'was always in public places; his lifestyle was in certain respects unconventional, as we have noted; and (if we are to believe Plato) his appearance had something of the comically ugly about it.' The 'as we have noted' bit refers to this: 'Plato confirms, what we might otherwise have supposed to be a comic slander, that he rarely bathed or wore shoes.' Also, Plato seems to understood the play as more in jest than anything, because in one of his dialogues he has Aristophanes appear, and Plato does not seem to really censure him, despite it being possible that his characterization of Socrates as impious might have affected him later on in his trial.
(Sorry if this is a bit long. No, WAY too long, but I just felt like rambling with random points. I've honestly lost all track of what this was about.)
+Fable Reader this is legitimate criticism, and I'd heard the interpretation that Aristophanes was simply using Socrates as a fill-in for sophists in general (could totally be true!), but I think this is addressed by me referring to Aristophanes as 'satire' on multiple occasions, and clearly stating that it was meant to be parody. I think the audience can determine the rest for themselves.
In the end, it is a contemporary source that we can look at. None of the authors presented had any standard of historical accuracy like we would expect today, so we just take them for what they are, never forgetting their flaws or agendas.
Plato blurs the line of fiction too. We don't ignore him, rather we take it with a huge grain of salt and draw comparisons with the limited sources we have.
By the way, that's a cool topic for A levels. When's the exam period?
Thanks for writing, and if you have more criticism, feel free to let me know.
You did do so, but (and this is really probably just how I would do it, because I would want to make it very, very clear) I just felt like it could have used more emphasis on that fact.
It is indeed, and I completely agree with you.
The exams are this summer, in May and June. Whoopee. (I don't dislike the module, I love it, but exams ... )
While I was watching a Plato documentary I heard how he wrote all of the writings of Socrates in first person and I wondered was Socrates even a real person did Plato just use a fictional Mentor as a scapegoat to iron out philosophical ideas.
Love your voice.(no homo) Should do some game voice overs :D
Never gotten this comment before. Made my day. Thanks!
I thank you, Sir, for sharing your knowledge with us.
What is the song beginning at 7:54 ? I listened to the three Kevin MacLeod songs in the description, this song wasn't among them. Great taste in music by the way
Did you ever find out?
What is the point of this video? Socrates is simply a character in Plato's novel, but surely based upon Plato's master whom Plato idolised.
Great video. A thought I've had; Socrates was used as medium to channel Plato's more impious philosophies?
I know you're saying Plato, but I keep thinking you're saying Play-doh
Good video, very nicely produced. Your shoulders look quite rounded and somewhat hunched - have you thought about improving your posture?
How do we know this ? Are there actually books? Stone books? Paper books or writings?
Literally all lies in Egypt shit was written on the wall
Interesting that his alleged parents names mean something akin to temperance and excellent enlightenment in Greek.
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I worked through those three songs detailed in the description, but I can't seem to find the last one you play. What would happen to be the name of it?
You forgot that there is a Socrates--of Athens--referenced in Thucydides history of the Peloponesian war.
Of course, there's no reference that this was the teacher of Plato or Xenophon, but there obviously was a Socrates whose age could roughly correspond to the Socrates who taught Plato and Xenohon.
But then again, you can always play the "historical source" game. Was there *really* a Genghis Khan? Sure, we've got some writings referring to him, but they could be mixing metaphor with reality like Plato did...
I live in Piraeus
+gijijijijijijijijijijji so "going down to the Piraeus" for you is just like, going home from work and making a sandwich. Lol
I know this is nit-picking, but it really surprised me that your translation uses an article before "Pireaus". Piraeus is a city. You wouldn't say "I'm going to the Chicago" would you? Actually, even in the original Ancient Greek text, there is no article ("Κατέβην χθές εις Πειραιά"). In any case, again, sorry for nit-picking. Your video was awesome and very informative, because most people think of Socrates in the way that Plato presents him. As a matter of fact, in my Ancient Greek Philosophy class (I am Greek by the way), we were only taught Plato's version of the story. So, thank you once more.
+gijijijijijijijijijijji no need to apologize for constructive criticism! I wondered the same thing. Perhaps Piraeus wasn't a official city at the time? My reading led me to believe that it was a series of docks. That being said, I even saw a battle map of the war with the Persians and Piraeus was marked there...
We'd need a translation expert to tell us why it's been done this way.
Thanks again for watching and glad you liked it.
-Will
Suppose it's a matter of fluidity. Piraeus gives us 'pier' in English, so the Athenians might have considered the town "the piers" even if the locals though of it as a town.
+Metusalem979 ooh, good point.
Awesome! So... Do you think that, of the aspects of his mythos which are likely falsified, it was all Plato's invention? Or his 'legend' just picked up elements over time? (Or a healthy mix if the two :P) Looked at from this direction it's hard not to see the parallels between Socrates and some religious deities. Many are regarded as teachers and the values expressed through their stories are considered revelatory.
I met him...nice bloke....argued a lot.
Song at the end?
Yes mate, played for Brazil
The apology hints at Socrates' god being Apollo
Are you in los jardines de Sabatini?
I know 6 people named Michael. I guess there was only ever one single person ever named Socrates.
1. Plato’s Apology was real
2. Looks like Socrates never wrote down a book about himself
3. Socrates life is represented with earlier sources
I'd be interested if you talk about Hong Kong.
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It really doesn't matter if its all true for Plato anyway..
Socrates did indeed exist, of that there is little doubt.
The question is where does Socrates begin and where does Plato add his own thoughts into his writings about the former? The truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
Plato really liked Socrates. So it would be fair to draw the conclusion that some if not most of what Plato wrote about Socrates is true.
Yet he couldn't help himself to add in some of his own thoughts in the mix.
Thus what we get in Platos writings, is a mix between himself and Socrates. The two blend into one and the same.
more interested in dubious rhetoric you say? sophistry was it?
So you asked if he was real but then you say he was. Why not have a better title so you don’t mislead people as much, maybe ‘Who Was Socrates?’ Because most of the video is based on what type of person he is, you base most of your information on one event that may or not be true based on no written record of Plato not having brothers. But it has a good final ending so I guess you can draw some moral or theme from this video. Just my thoughts, feel free to comment if you like.
Of course,everyone knows without Socrates Pele would not have learnt how to score
2400 years after the fact there will very likely be no evidence that i existed either
Piraeus is not on an ocean. It's on the Aegean Sea.
This video made me pick up Assassin Creed again
Boy do I feel dumb, I never knew they were actual people,I thought they were popular pet names,like my girlfriends schnauzer s , I guess I should’ve asked
The great philosopher..turned out to be a troll master.
Interesting, but it has no legal status and will not get by the Sheriff. Class politics rules.
do you know how easy it is to fake an entire person, with historical references and all? Think of a couple generations time, let alone 2500 years
Doesn't matter if he was real or not....
Didn’t even answer the question lol 😂😂😂😂
Hi
hey
This (no accurate historical record) is the case with every historical figure and event before the 19th century. Surprise.
Yes he was.
What is real?
Not even Socrates apparently
What Socrates was a rhetorical figure born from a "type" of person, like modern "Karen"? We´d have spending over 10 centuries talking about a Karen.
Wow. The evidence is better than the evidence for Jesus, but you won't see me making a religion about Socrates.
Knawledge
Dude, Aristophanes here has not the same credibility as the other two. It is the equivalent of someone in the future placing some of John Oliver's jokes, or any other alike, and claiming that is a legit view of someone of today.
Also, I think it is a big leap of logic to go from doubting Plato's biased characterization of Socrates to accepting as equally valid the views of people who likely did not know Socrates nearly as well.
+EDY el O I think I made it pretty clear multiple times that Aristophanes was parody. The audience is smart enough to judge his credibility without me spelling it out any more than that.
My point is that with that consideration the title "Was Socrates even a real person?" seems more on the side of sensationalistic/click bait.
+EDY el O but that is the exact content of the video. Click bait implies bait and switch, but this is a video about if Socrates was real, just like the title says.
But it is on the gray zone between being something totally different and directing the audience in the wrong direction.
Plenty of people assert that Socrates wasn't real, or may not have been. If you'd just heard that for the first time, saw this title, and watched the video, you'd know what you need to know. So I say it's no click-bait.
First :)
I'm sorry, couldn't resist
Well done :)
Why use BCE? It's so much simpler to just use BC.
BCE is secular. BC is bias towards Christianity, a religion over 2/3 of the planet either does not believe in or actively dislikes. Majority opinion should rule in this regard. It is also the accepted scientific usage, so it is the proper term.
@@tygonmaster but it still uses the year 0. Sooooo….
Is this a joke? You make a video on Socrates and keep mentioning"students". Wtf
Is this clickbait?
+Birgilios Marmaroglou title and content match perfectly
No, Socrates is a real person, that's widely known. In your video you just reassure what we have already known. If the video included any clue against Socrates' existence, missed by mainstream knowledge, then the title might have been suitable.
+Birgilios Marmaroglou it's a legitimate historical question which I examined. Unsubscribe button is there if digging through historical primary sources is too clickbait for you. Have a good one.
-Will
I live in Piraeus!
+Harris D. Afent. Love it. Is it still an area with docks?
It's the biggest tourist/commercial port in the Mediterranean. The part closest to me in the commercial part, so there's a lot of containers, the part farthest away is the cruise ship docks. During the Olympics, Queen Mary II docked there. The center of the city has a pretty opera house and a nice square (which is currently messed up due to subway works), but the rest of the city is noisy, polluted and dirty, but it has a picturesque part with taverns, restaurants, etc.
+Harris D. Afent. I was in Athens in 2016 and I went down to the beach area. That's not Piraeus, right? Piraeus is further west along the coastline from what I gather.
Piraeus is the westernmost part of Athens. The beach area includes the municipalities of Faliro, Alimos and Glyfada and goes on eastwards.
Your brain is very big.
you are of your head
Both Greeks and Roman had a bunch of imaginary writers too.
English muffin
hes not real
Maybe Socrates wasn't real. Doesn't really matter seeing as nobody is saying that we should restrict rights for gay and trans people because baby Socrates will cry. No one wants to ban teaching factual science such as evolution in public schools because of Socrates.
So you don't understand what the word theory even means.
I disagree
With you. Sr
Jesus wasn't real...
Jarl Ballin' tacitus mentioned him