HOW MUCH abrasive filaments damage your nozzle!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2019
  • In this video we'll investigate how 3D printers nozzles wear and how print-quality is affected by that.
    I've used brass nozzles with Glow in the Dark and Carbon Fiber filament to find out how and where they wear and what effect that has on print quality. I've also milled open a couple of nozzles to see how they look from the inside.
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  • @CNCKitchen
    @CNCKitchen  4 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Feel free to share and discuss the video on you Social Media plattform of choice!

    • @NightVisionOfficial
      @NightVisionOfficial 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Noice !

    • @NightVisionOfficial
      @NightVisionOfficial 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think premiere is a touch of hype ! I like it !

    • @georghartmann6971
      @georghartmann6971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How to make such a shape ? DMG Mori 5-Achs Bearbeitungszentrum

    • @banex2537
      @banex2537 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      For my (very may be clone e3d), i just pull up ''on cold'' 0.6mm nozzle fillamen without problems, for now its seems normal in 0.01+/- mitotoyo caliper

    • @marcus_w0
      @marcus_w0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The spiral pattern is caused by a dull drill with way to much feed. The spirals of the drill try to get rid of the pressure and clog on the walls.

  • @RomanoPRODUCTION
    @RomanoPRODUCTION 4 ปีที่แล้ว +317

    thank you CNC Kitchen for still producing 3d printing videos that are accurate. The others have given up. Watch you soon

  • @girass
    @girass 4 ปีที่แล้ว +414

    Insane production quality, better than ever - so much time and effort and it really shows!

  • @Jam3s2001
    @Jam3s2001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    @CNC Kitchen, that's my blownout nozzle at 10:34! I got that after printing approximately 1 spool of inland glow in the dark PLA. Thank you for showcasing it in this video, it was a hard lesson learned for a new 3d printing user.

  • @THX..1138
    @THX..1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    The spiral pattern is achieved by plunging a dull bit into the brass with a lot of force. They make a tool to cut out the inside profile then use it until it breaks. Probably the first 1,000 nozzle's bore is totally straight, by nozzle 2,000 though you have the spiral pattern and somewhere after that the bit breaks and they make a new one.

    • @cherrify3498
      @cherrify3498 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So they just jam a drill bit in there?

    • @dillpickle7633
      @dillpickle7633 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cherrify3498 sounds like it

    • @CuttinInIdaho
      @CuttinInIdaho 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      this^^^^^^^^
      It's so simple it's strange no one understands

    • @carlchong7592
      @carlchong7592 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's not a great application for a form drill because there is a high ratio of diameter for the tip diameter and the body diameter of the nozzle and also because the tip diameter is so small.
      For a 1.75mm filament bore and 0.4mm outlet dia, one would have worse than a 4x ratio between the smallest diameter and the largest diameter on the form drill. This means that you'd really like to be drilling that tiny 0.4mm diameter a much larger RPM than you can run the 1.75mm diameter at because you'll exceed cutting surface speed limits on the larger diameter.
      This means that you have to plod ahead at 1/4 of your best drilling rate for that tiny 0.4mm end which is going to be doing a terribly ugly drilling job for the entire length of the nozzle because it's stuck to the end of the 1.75mm body dia. It would be far faster to blitz the back end of the hole with the 1.75mm dia for nearly the whole nozzle length, then go in with a 0.4mm to peck out the last bit of length at the end.
      Using a second tool position to have separate 1.75mm and 0.4mm diameters will be far faster with better quality drilling and much lower breakage of tools, not to mention that standard jobber drills are way cheaper than making a form drill.
      I think the spiral pattern is being caused by a cheap jobber drill being pushed too far past their sharpening regimen. There's no really good excuse because clean holes in brass with jobber drills is very easy with CNC. The level of tool wear management necessary really isn't high.

    • @AG-cg7lk
      @AG-cg7lk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I imagine that drill runout will also cause a spiral. An extremely true and concentric chuck is needed for highly accurate drilling at such small diameters.

  • @SanjayMortimer
    @SanjayMortimer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +376

    Freaking brilliant video! Very impressed by the quality of production and the solid engineering content.
    The undulating helical pattern is a likely result of a worn or chipped drill bit and pushing the feedrates on the lathe too hard. Also if you don't have your drill running dead centre it will walk and cause run-out. Glad to see ours were straight and shiny as they should be, but agree that it's not really a contributor to stringing.
    You're dead right that the most important part of the nozzle is the orifice to tip flat transition. We've put a lot of time into ensuring that corner is 'just so'. The internal cone angle is also a surprisingly large contributor to the ooze and clean sharp extrusion, it gets you the more laminar flow you postulate and lowers pressure needs. Combine those two and you get the rather dramatic difference you saw in stringing.
    I suspect but cannot prove that the excessive chamfer on the clone and worn nozzles also serves as a place where material will cling to and accumulate. This little annular 'pool' of very liquid material may serve as a source of material that will be entrained into a string. Retraction is going to be completely ineffective at controlling any buildup on this part of the nozzle.

    • @samtaylor4779
      @samtaylor4779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I was going to say the spiral was from a blunt drill but it has been said in detail above so I'll shut up now. Thanks very much for the great videos @cnckitchen

    • @Gengh13
      @Gengh13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I was going to say: this guy sounds really sure about his statements, then I saw your name.

    • @JasperJanssen
      @JasperJanssen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Genghisnico13 the “our” referring to the e3d nozzle was my first clue - people sound sure of themselves in YT comment sections allllll the time ;)

    • @martinfrandsen3960
      @martinfrandsen3960 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I just want to add ontop of your fine explaination about the helical pattern.
      -This is a great example why GPS tolerances (Geometric Product Specification) was invented, and specifically why it's important to have them specified when you make large orders produced out of China and the like. Not that it isn't necessary in all other countries though. :-)

    • @PiGood
      @PiGood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Excessive feed rate, lack of pecking and worn tooling is the most likely causes, but materials like brass also have issues caused by their high thermal expansion. Materials do not heat evenly when drilling and tends to build up heat near the corners of the drill flutes during the machining process. Thus the materiel near the corners of the drill flutes is removed at a higher temperature so those areas expand more then the other areas of the cut. This leaves a smooth hole at the time of operation, but then when the materiel cools and constricts it leaves a helix or spiral shape that matches the drill feed rate. Brass and plastics it tends to become fairly prominent due to their high thermal expansion rates and high drill feed rates.

  • @MorRobots
    @MorRobots 4 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    That spiral is from the drilling procedure at the factory. The tool is flexing as it's plunging in.

    • @erichmaler6829
      @erichmaler6829 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      If the drill vibrates, it usually makes cones. Like an hourglass shape. The walls of hole look like melted, probably drill was overheated during the production and left that weird pattern?

    • @swould333
      @swould333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      25 year machinist .. that pattern happens when the drill geometry is shoddy, specifically the lead on the spiral or the point being off center slightly and your feed is way to high. Brass has a tendency to grab when using sharp tooling. A way to mitigate the grabbing is to flatten the cutting edge slightly on the perpendicular axis of the cut. This is probably the reason for the over powered feed so as to compensate for that flattened cutting edge.

    • @Waylander131
      @Waylander131 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@swould333 I can confirm that, worked a lot with brass in the past, it likes short stubby cutting edges and the unevenly sharpened chinese 1.75mm drill bit is far from that. High speed vibrations + eccentric forces combined with resonance from the brass grabbing and you get forms you could not imagine can exist!

    • @MorRobots
      @MorRobots 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@swould333 yep.

    • @MorRobots
      @MorRobots 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@swould333 curious if the good nozzles are cut in three procedures and that's why they have good surface finish and geometry that clearly wasn't taken off a shotty twist drill.

  • @fhuber7507
    @fhuber7507 4 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    The wobbly pattern of the passage through the cheap nozzle is from a warped drill bit.
    They used a high rotation speed (probably with inadequate cooling fluid) and overheated the bit several times and they were using a high rate f driving the bit into the brass.
    Its an effect I got when learning to use a home drill press.

    • @MyLonewolf25
      @MyLonewolf25 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      F Huber it most likely isn’t cut for brass and was trying to pull the part as well which combined with being cooked and probably dull

    • @tronique5736
      @tronique5736 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some more insights as to how the wobble might have occurred: The geometry of nozzles lends well to lathes (and by extension screw machines), where wobble of both the part and the drill can be more severe vs with a mill. It's also likely that the stock used to make the nozzles is at the max diameter of the part to minimize material waste, and that thinner material would also wobble more. As for feeds and speeds, the high machinability of brass allows very aggressive settings without significantly shortening tool life (and that's great for minimizing labor cost, but bad for part quality).

    • @grimoirworkshop6623
      @grimoirworkshop6623 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tronique5736 most probably machined from hex bar

    • @grimoirworkshop6623
      @grimoirworkshop6623 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also I bet the is not exactly round, but slightly elliptical due to the same reasons. I’ve learned the hard way as a home gamer that drilled holes are always bigger and never round.

  • @lukasdon0007
    @lukasdon0007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The cross-section of the genuine E3D nozzle really sold me on their products. Such amazing quality assurance; and it really shows why it's smart to dole out the little extra cash for it.

  • @BelowAboveAverage
    @BelowAboveAverage 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This guy... This guy right here is one of the absolute best things about TH-cam.

  • @wargdrones3053
    @wargdrones3053 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Stefan, deine Videos sind einfach oberklasse. Qualitativ hochwertig. Informativ. Gute Geschwindigkeit. Nie langweilig. Helfen mir jede Woche neu!

  • @mrclown7469
    @mrclown7469 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The chamfer on brand new (cheap) nozzles effectively increasing their diameter and hurting print quality is a very interesting discovery. Thanks Stefan, glad we have people like you in the community 👍

    • @einsteinx2
      @einsteinx2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it’s worth noting though that those cheap nozzles are made by a very wide variety of manufacturers, and it may just be that the particular nozzles he tested were especially bad...
      I have only cheap Chinese nozzles, a big variety box of standard CR10 style nozzles, as well as one V6 style I was sent by mistake, and about 6 volcano style I bought for my Sidewinder X1. I just double checked all of the volcano and the v6 nozzle as well as a random selection of the CR10 nozzles and not a single one had that chamfer. I even double checked under a microscope in case I just couldn’t see it with my naked eye.
      I’m sure the internal bore of the nozzles is not as clean as genuine E3D nozzles, and there may be a difference in the internal angle, but at least it doesn’t appear that the no name brand nozzles all have that chamfer or that it’s even a common defect. He may have just received a defective batch or bought from a particularly bad manufacturer or I’m just extremely lucky...
      He’s 100% correct that you’re taking a gamble not buying genuine, but given that the cost of a single E3D volcano nozzle is about the same all of my Chinese volcano nozzles combined, it may be worth the risk as you won’t lose much money if they turn out bad. Though of course I do appreciate supporting the original creators. Also for example there is a massive difference in quality between the heat breaks especially on knock off E3D extruders vs the real ones that I think makes them an obviously better buy even at the in increased cost (my sidewinder for example has a PTFE tuve all the way through the heartbreak which is an issue for high temp printing, so I’m planning to upgrade to an official E3D all metal titanium head break which is actually about the same price as some of their nozzles somehow even though it’s a more complex part).
      Also it’s worth considering that I can buy the Chinese nozzles easily here in Colombia with local 1 day shipping, whereas to buy genuine E3D nozzles I would need to order from the US and import them, increasing the already higher cost due to reshipping and import taxes as well as significantly increasing the wait time to receive them if I need one quickly.
      I’m still planning to buy a few genuine nozzles to use as a baseline comparison against my cheaper nozzles to see if I get increased print quality, but I don’t think it’s fair to test a single brand of Chinese nozzle and then imply that all Chinese nozzles are manufactured that way or have similar problems. Many of them are perfectly fine from what I can tell (including from my own print quality which is quite good using only these nozzles).
      Anyway just my 2 cents.

  • @derekdubs3074
    @derekdubs3074 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The effort put into these videos is unbelievable

  • @Daniel_Wolf
    @Daniel_Wolf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi pal!. I just bought my first printer and I'm soaking up information with a sponge (even though I could be your grandpa because of my age... I never tire of learning!), this report opened my eyes to many doubts I had and I think a spectacular job on your part, very serious and dedicated. This is the first video of yours I've seen and I've subscribed to the channel to see the rest. A pleasure to learn from people who really care about finding the important point of the problems. My congratulations, today, December 31, 2022, I send you a big greeting from the South of Argentina and I wish you a good year!

  • @ethanbunch3274
    @ethanbunch3274 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I found the section on glow in the dark filament really interesting! I had been printing a very large gift for my fiance and the nickel plated nozzle that I had been using started to show signs of damage. The filament would shoot off to the back and left no matter what filament I used. Just bought myself some steel nozzles because of it! Thank you for the great videos and keep it up!

  • @ryjacrafts4797
    @ryjacrafts4797 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in depth tests like this, saves us a lot of time and money before deciding. thanks so much.

  • @0calvin
    @0calvin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super interesting findings. I really appreciate these types of investigatory videos that you do.

  • @bill8478
    @bill8478 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video Stefan. I found this video very helpful. You put so much work into your high quality videos.

  • @copper4842
    @copper4842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really great video. I loved the close ups of the nozzle internals.

  • @RobbyNowell
    @RobbyNowell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video as usual from the best 3DP channel on TH-cam. There's always good information to digest from the CNC Kitchen :-)

  • @jet4fun54
    @jet4fun54 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Looking forward to your Ruby nozzle review.

  • @rabidscallion9947
    @rabidscallion9947 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video. You're always concisely informative. I learn something new every time.

  • @billjames1953
    @billjames1953 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Stefan, great job, always look forward to your good engineering and scientific method. Danke.

  • @ifell3
    @ifell3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I love these videos, but I'm now off to look for that CNC mill thing, wow!!

  • @medyk3D
    @medyk3D 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chapeau bas. The amount of work in this video is overwhelming.

  • @musikmaker19
    @musikmaker19 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible work as always, Stefan!

  • @skaltura
    @skaltura 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    amazing round of tests once again! :)

  • @1kreature
    @1kreature 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of your best videos ever!
    I wish you had shows much more before and after shots and cuts though. Like you did with them mirrored for comparison but maybe split view instead so you line them both up and show each half from their respective nozzles.
    Looking forward to your steel nozzle tests!

  • @rodsnyder6020
    @rodsnyder6020 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now these are some interesting results! I am excited about what comes next. Great work! Thx!

  • @BenjiCheirif
    @BenjiCheirif 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video as always! Don’t forget to try a slice engineering vanadium nozzle in the abrasive resistant shoot out.

  • @Kenji314159
    @Kenji314159 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive quality of this video: How you shot it, that you cut the nozzles in half, content-wise. Good job.

  • @IrocZIV
    @IrocZIV 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't yet have a 3D printer, but I really enjoy how much thought goes into these videos.

  • @nerdipedia1142
    @nerdipedia1142 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m really interested in a video testing the possibility of improving the print quality using a smaller nozzle.
    Cool video! I always learn a lot from you. ❤

  • @wouter_h
    @wouter_h 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Brilliant. This video concludes everything you need to know about nozzles for 3d printing. I learned that brand / quality matters and that you must choose nozzle according to materials used. Thanks for the research! Great work

  • @FunctionalDesign
    @FunctionalDesign 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice science and nice video work! I also found it very interesting to see and learn about the geometric differences in cheap and high end nozzles 👍🏻 thanks

  • @jcugnoni
    @jcugnoni 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In my opinion, the E3D is superior in terms of stringing because of the 60deg angle of the convergent channel (instead of 90) as it will create less flow resistance, thus lowering the pressure buildup in the melt chamber. With a lower pressure accumulated in the chamber there is less viscoelastic flow (ooze) when you stop extrusing. Also the sharp transition can help too as it will cut the strings and avoid pulling out filament. Great video as always, and excellent scientific approach to real world problems.
    Ps: funny enough I just noticed that Sanjay just made a similar comment.. Seems that physics is the same for all of us ;-)

  • @ScottLahteine
    @ScottLahteine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love it when we get the actual science, and in a form where we can see it for ourselves!

  • @PauloRicardoBlank
    @PauloRicardoBlank 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video as always. Very nice to have your experiment results to enrich our knowledge. Thanks !

  • @kurtlindner
    @kurtlindner 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a good test, not something you'd submit to a journal but it produced useful information.

  • @me3dnone107
    @me3dnone107 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this really interesting investigation!

  • @dragonstyneenterprises5344
    @dragonstyneenterprises5344 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy your attention to detail and you methodical approach to testing..

  • @jamescrombie2320
    @jamescrombie2320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In a previous life I was a tool and cutter grinder in a mould shop. One tool I had to design and make was a D-drill for plastic injection nozzles. The interior bore ended in a 40° included angle hole. I assume this allowed for faster flow in the injection process. Materials for the nozzles were either beryllium copper or a tool steel. the nozzles also had a variety of exit holes, some on the ends and others at angles coming out on the sides of the tip.

    • @BRUXXUS
      @BRUXXUS 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      James Crombie that's awesome!
      I thought that angle was really interesting. I'm guessing E3D have tried all sorts of angles to get one that works best, but I'd be interested in results from even more acute angles.

  • @fredgenius
    @fredgenius 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Useful info, thanks.
    I have a small lathe, tried making my own nozzles, they worked ok, but no better than the bought nozzles. The hand-made nozzles took a lot of time to make, and the materials are expensive.
    A good compromise is to buy 0.2 or 0.3mm nozzles, and drill them out to the required size. I find 0.35mm is a good size for the kind of printing I mostly do. Carbide PCB drills are cheap, but it's easy to break them. I start by facing off a piece of scrap stock, drill and tap M6, and screw a nozzle on. I do this for each batch of nozzles to maintain concentricity. The drilling part is easy, as long as your tailstock is aligned correctly.

  • @PRO3DESIGN
    @PRO3DESIGN 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wow! Ones again awesome tech analytical content. As a mechanical engineer I really appreciate your channel. I will never print a cheap nozzle from now on!

  • @timospitzhorn1738
    @timospitzhorn1738 ปีที่แล้ว

    Honestly you are making the best 3d printing videos. Sau stark. Weiter so.

  • @gonzo665
    @gonzo665 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the information. You helped solve why my prints were degrading and why I've been having an increase in stringing in my prints. Cheers.

  • @lxxxsy8179
    @lxxxsy8179 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Das Thema Verschleiß von Düsen hat mich echt mal interessiert, da ich viel zu wenig darüber wusste und außerdem auch floureszierendes Filament verwende. Dein Video war optimal, danke!

  • @SebasTian-od7oz
    @SebasTian-od7oz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really informative! Thank you for your effort!

  • @ryoohk
    @ryoohk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant wait for the Ruby video, been very curious about them.

  • @elfpimp1
    @elfpimp1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I asked 3dpn a million times to make a video about this one topic . You really did a VERY good job putting as much thought into the tech as well as the science.

  • @magicmanac
    @magicmanac 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow that was very informative didn't think of it in that way. Keep it up would love to see more on the subject

  • @3dPrintCreator
    @3dPrintCreator 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your perfect test. Learned a lot of new things here.
    Going to buy some E3D nozzles to compare against my el cheapo nozzles I have right now.

  • @SebastianEnd
    @SebastianEnd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Klasse Video, sehr informativ. Großartig was du dir für Zeit für die ganzen Tests genommen hast!
    Und was mich am meisten freut ist, dass dein Kanal sehr, sehr schnell so gewachsen ist :D Sauber!
    Grüße, Sebastian

  • @dragonstyneenterprises5344
    @dragonstyneenterprises5344 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I concur with your findings, it was interesting to see the 60 degree chamfer on the inside of the e3d nozzle verses the 90 of the in expensive nozzle. Custom tooling verses standard drill bits, that is significant.

    • @FBarny
      @FBarny 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Both angles point to an custom drill bit. (Which arn't expensive when you mass produce.) The default angle on a HSS drill bit is 118°. But there can be differences for hard and soft maqterial from 110° to 130°. Carbide drills normally use 140° tip angle.

    • @mxsxend1982
      @mxsxend1982 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most spot drills have a 90 degree angle and are extremely rigid. Could be step one for E3D’s process...

    • @dragonstyneenterprises5344
      @dragonstyneenterprises5344 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are correct. Machining bits can be 90 degrees.

    • @dragonstyneenterprises5344
      @dragonstyneenterprises5344 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would make since.

    • @dragonstyneenterprises5344
      @dragonstyneenterprises5344 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      With a finishing cut at 60

  • @MrKelaher
    @MrKelaher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    as always, scientific approach and useful info. Thank you.

  • @bartspeet930
    @bartspeet930 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Stefan, I'm using probably the same ruby nozzle that you have in your ruby collection. It has a chromed copper body. I use it with a titanium heat brake (all metal) and a home-designed & milled copper heater block. The back pressure in the nozzle is greater (especially with CF-PEG) so I use a dual-drive geared extruder. With a bowden cable, in a Anycubic kossel linear plus. It took me a while to get good results again, but now it's spot on. I play around with linear-advance a bit and with normal PLA it's better not to use it (K-factor zero). Hope you're having fun with it and happy printing!

  • @bradykirk9932
    @bradykirk9932 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent analysis with a surprising result. Thanks!

  • @Mike01Hu
    @Mike01Hu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another fine video. It was interesting to see E3D's earlier research on this topic when they introduced the hardened nozzle and had similar results but much-increased internal wear. I think they did many more hours of printing. I use a lot of XT CF20 with the hard nozzle and there is no wear detectable by eye but it does eat the silicone socks!

  • @HobbyHoarder
    @HobbyHoarder 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great as always. I'm also happy to see I'm not the only one who cut away the bottom of the silicone sock.

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      These are actually the new silicone socks, the closed ones are now called "pro" socks.

    • @HobbyHoarder
      @HobbyHoarder 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CNCKitchen Funny, I don't know what's pro about that. I had to cut away a mm or two of the bottom of every sock so far.

  • @alexanderthomas2660
    @alexanderthomas2660 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice tests. I have some glow-in-the-dark PLA from Velleman and it is definitely abrasive, I also noticed the nozzles being ‘sanded’ at the bottom after printing a lot of this material. The hole diameter seems to have slightly increased as well, although the only way I noticed this is that it gradually became easier to push a .4mm guitar string through the hole.
    A larger sanded-off nozzle bottom does have an advantage in that it makes it easier to get nice smooth top surfaces, but a problem is that it dumps more heat into nearby already printed material, which makes for worse overhangs and also it has more of a tendency to drag along PETG because it is so sticky.

  • @indigen205
    @indigen205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    after the video i immediatly ordered an e3d nozzle. thanks!

  • @scottn9492
    @scottn9492 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There are so many interesting points in this video. It is really good to see the actual differences between the parts of different manufacturers. I've heard many TH-camrs talk about the poor quality of cheap Chinese parts, but you actually show the difference. It would be interesting to see the real world print quality difference between these, and examine why they may or may not be worth the extra cost. I would think that the quality of the print may also affect the overall structural quality of what you print as well. Basically how much does 3D-Printer part quality affect the output, and how much does it cost to mitigate the loss in quality.

  • @lassew.4881
    @lassew.4881 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Danke für das gute Video, sehr informativ! Respekt für die ganze Arbeit die du dir gemacht hast !

  • @SamChaneyProductions
    @SamChaneyProductions 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is incredibly valuable information. Thanks so much for this video!

  • @THEDANRMUSIC
    @THEDANRMUSIC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job! I love your videos! Thank you so much for all!

  • @aggronn
    @aggronn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep up the good work, you have nice subject that are very clear!

  • @johnv341
    @johnv341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stefan@CNC Kitchen, and Stefan Gotteswinter. My favourite TH-cam subscriptions. So logical. So scientific.

  • @LPMSupporter
    @LPMSupporter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You'll hit 100k subs soon, congrats Stefan!

  • @atsybulsky
    @atsybulsky 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting and insightful. Thanks for what you're doing ! It's awesome

  • @grumpydude1598
    @grumpydude1598 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    absolutely amazing Stefan! well done i think 100k will be achieved in a few hours perhaps

  • @TC-dk6do
    @TC-dk6do 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks..look forward to seeing the rubi nozzel test.

  • @davidd314
    @davidd314 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As always, great content with superb analysis. Have you gotten your hands on diamondback nozzles yet?

  • @cefloach9019
    @cefloach9019 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy has better English than most Americans and better production quality than a lot of big TH-camrs. Great job!

  • @olavodias
    @olavodias 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish there was a way to like the same video 1000 times. This guy definitely makes amazing videos.

  • @Craigs_Adventures
    @Craigs_Adventures 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    great video...suggestion....take a worn nozzle and CNC a new flat extruder surface and see the difference in the benchy....

    • @JayOhm
      @JayOhm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what I thought. And another option (which I'm going to try after fixing my printer) is to… Do the same with sandpaper.

    • @Craigs_Adventures
      @Craigs_Adventures 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JayOhm i have tried the sand paper but cant get it flat enough. Looks ok to the naked eye, but under a microscope you can see the rounded edges

  • @OwenBuckingham11
    @OwenBuckingham11 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My extruder just clogged today, perfect time to get a new one! Great job keep it up

    • @BioClone
      @BioClone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      late, but man, clogging is ussual, just clean it up! most extruders come with a needle to clean them... just dissasembly it, heat it a bit on a furnace and use the needle to remove the clog.

  • @jopplehead
    @jopplehead 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your tests and experiments. Nice info to know :)

  • @Zaniahiononzenbei
    @Zaniahiononzenbei 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Sanjay Mortimer
    's answer on the helical pattern seems unlikely.
    The consistent helical pattern is more likely to come from a drill that is mounted on a bent lead-screw. This explains the consistency much better.

    • @merlinjim
      @merlinjim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have personally seen that helical pattern when printing on my makerbot cupcake with bent lead-screws. I immediately assumed that was the cause when I saw the cross section.

  • @Mobile_Dom
    @Mobile_Dom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    now i kinda want to see the new cloned Ruby (FYSETC also do a white sapphire nozzle [Sapphire is available in all colours asided frfom red, though red corundum is just a ruby so very close] that'd be fun)

  • @tim1398
    @tim1398 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the one 3D printing channel I keep learning valuable, practical printing information from even after a couple of years of experience. Keep up the good work!

  • @lahavsvorai276
    @lahavsvorai276 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great subject to point out !
    I believe that if you used an extremely strong tool (such as adjustable pliers) to tighten the nozzle it can easly deforms the inside of the nozzle and will only have a slight affect on the outside of the nozzle.
    I would suggest to check it after tighting (with a strong tool) a brand new nozzle.

  • @cosmicac6608
    @cosmicac6608 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now i finally know why i get strings...cheap nosel + lots of Glow in the Dark! Thank you for testing these things!

  • @PennsyRailroad
    @PennsyRailroad 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fabulous research and video presentation. Thank you.

  • @mshepard2264
    @mshepard2264 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The spiral pattern happens when you drill a hole on a lathe but the tail stock is off center it makes the bit flex and wiggle as it rotates

  • @lindseyjohnson1130
    @lindseyjohnson1130 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Stefan,
    Job well done, as always.
    I print mainly with flexibles and CF nylon on the same Prusa i3 MK2s. Yes, two completely different materials, each with their own challenges.
    I was having major extrusion issues and jams. I replaced the E3D hardened nozzle that I had run a few kilos of CF nylon through with a new E3D Nozzle X with no real change. I then looked at the heat break tube and saw some markings on the inside of it, so that got replaced. This improved my results a fair bit. I still had problems. I noticed inconsistent layer adhesion on the small parts that I print using Ninjateks Armadillo. There is a post that is 4mm diameter that when everything is right will not snap off. I print about twenty of the parts at a time and have maybe 4 - 5 that fail. I then looked at the Hobbed Pulley and noticed some wear. I didn't realize how much until I removed it and compared it with a new one. (See the photo in the attached link)
    There are many aspects that can cause extrusion issues. If you use the "Cause and Effect" process the best method for solving the problem is to go back the where all was good.
    photos.app.goo.gl/SDJUQd27NxsFrfXd9
    photos.app.goo.gl/fLq8RsCXCE3vuNza7

  • @imqqmi
    @imqqmi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm looking forward seeing you machine a tungsten nozzle 😆 Great video as always! I too have a brass nozzle and the wear was primarily on one side, the filament free extruded to one side too. I used a steel tweezers to clean the nozzle regularly, which probably did some damage too. The surface finish with a new steel with zinc coated e3d nozzle is significantly better. A new brass nozzle was going to be better too of course, compared to the damaged one. I'll try to machine the nozzle too, would be interesting.

  • @zimmy1958
    @zimmy1958 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video Stefan very well done test.

  • @vapp13
    @vapp13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video as always.. congrats on your 100k.

  • @BenEBrady
    @BenEBrady 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, Stefan! Thank you!

  • @TheStangSlayer
    @TheStangSlayer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great test! Thanks for sharing!

  • @reyalPRON
    @reyalPRON ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job Stefan! I learned alot.

  • @ethansdad3d
    @ethansdad3d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your tests match mine. I found that nozzles wore in both hole diameter and height, but wore in height more signficantly.

  • @DimitarSavov87
    @DimitarSavov87 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, Stefan! Tho I am more interested in the wear of Stainless Steel and Hardened Steel nozzles. Looking forward for those! Cheers!

  • @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube
    @StopChangingUsernamesYouTube 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad that you tested with clone nozzles. For as much as I might like E3D parts and prefer them, if I need a pack of .4's (sometimes you just know you'll be wrecking nozzles with wood), or a couple in each diameter between .2 and .6, it's usually the difference between $10 and $50. They aren't as good, but they'll usually get the job done, and it's good to know how long they'll handle that job. So thank you.

  • @hradford55
    @hradford55 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The odd spiral pattern is most likely caused by the stock being off-center when drilled. This causes the drill to wander, due to flexing, while drilling. I have seen similar behavior when milling a circle, using a bad collet that mis-aligns the tool. It can actually create a hole that is hourglass shaped in cross-section!

    • @MrWachowsky
      @MrWachowsky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also, unevenly sharpened drill bit does the job. Possibly they didn't even use center drill.

    • @CHSidChou
      @CHSidChou 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah no center drill would do it, i wonder boring it on our own would do any improvement

  • @TonyGrant.
    @TonyGrant. 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another very interesting video Stefan.
    I don't have a 3d printer at the moment because I can't open that can of worms at this point due to other priorities. However, I do plan to get one sometime next year. I still watch your videos because they answer many of the questions I ponder or answer questions i didn't even think about. I think when I do get a printer your videos will already have helped me better understand this process.
    One thing I do wonder about you touched on in this video which is nozzle diameter - because I assume it is related to wall thickness. Some of the things I am considering printing will require thin wall thicknesses. I want to make fuselage type structures as lightly as possible - with and without bracing/infill.
    So the questions i ask are - How small a nozzle diameter can you use? How thin can a cylinder's wall thickness be? What are the limits? I wonder if you can do a video which pushes the boundaries in that direction.
    Many thanks.

  • @printingotb521
    @printingotb521 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Highly interesting content as usual. I just subbed to your Patreon :)
    I would love to learn more about the wear of Plated nozzles like the ones made by Microswiss.

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your support!

  • @swankscabinet1625
    @swankscabinet1625 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m trying to learn about nozzle wear and then a WHOLE LTT episode over intel gold cpus pops up as an ad lmao. And it’s 1 of 2!!!!!!

  • @11thmoon30
    @11thmoon30 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Exactly.
    The biggest problem of abrasive filaments appears not inside(hole diameter) but outside(hole length).
    From my experiences, the most abrasive additive agent is "glass fiber", and not carbon fiber or metal particles.
    Actually it can shorten stainless steel nozzles over 0.5mm within one reel(500g).
    This means the nozzle diameter changes from 0.4mm to 2.0mm, or simply the nozzle has died out.
    If diameter of the nozzle was changed at this moment, it is not so big of a deal.
    I tried to use HSS_Co(used for cutting tool of stainless steel) nozzle for the glass fiber filament, but it does not work.
    So currently I am using stainless steel nozzle once for small parts,
    and flat top HSS_Co nozzle for large parts.

  • @H0wlrunn3r
    @H0wlrunn3r 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your channel bro!