What's The Best 10-Year-Old Sports Car You Can Buy?
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- This week’s topic started with us wondering what 10-year-old sports car we would buy. It turned into a discussion about one of our favorites from a decade ago, the Z4 M Coupe. With Michael Prichinello and Zac Moseley from The Classic Car Club Manhattan.
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This is one of the best comment threads in AFTER/DRIVE history. Well done guys
how about you let me on the show and ill do some drifting or some cool shit with my srt10 viper ram 6 speed with my sportbike loaded in the back lol
Or you just have someone film it and do it yourself, the put it on youtube..
If you can get here, you're on.
pm me the info please
Bread Van, they call them the bread van in the uk.
DRIVE, single handedly raising the prices on every car I want to buy
Please do the best sports cars for 5k-20k. That's a young persons sports car budget usually.
Bullet057 that's a regular enthusiasts budget, regardless of age
Bullet057 that type of show is always welcome. Check out their past shows because they do address sports cars in that price point. The eBay challenges are great and have lower priced cars. Also they did one on three Japanese sports cars you should buy.
JonnyRion: Maybe your should consider maxing out your 401K first. ...unless you have already done that.
Boxster/Cayman are on the top of this list.
Ford Fiesta ST. It's not old, but used ones are on the market everywhere for mid to high teens. If you haven't driven one don't count it off just because front wheel drive and cheap. It wont be the fastest lap time anywhere but it makes you want to take the back way home every day.
I have an 06 Z4M coupe Dinan with plenty of mods. Brembo BBK, Dinan 3.91 diff, evolve carbon intake and alpha n tune to name a few. Love it.
Guys, that turn from the hip feeling Prichinello was talking about ... I could never explain the sensation, but to me that is the most exciting gifts a good handling sporty car could give me, as a driver. I have only felt it once before, and believe it of not that was in an 87' Honda Prelude. I think the secret is in the long front hood and the driver sitting further back.--- Any other cars that you know of that fit this type of entertainment? I'll be in the market in a few months.
Gabe Pettinicchio usually that's associate with rear mod-engine cars like a Cayman.
I haven’t driven one, but I think the Toyota 86 provides a similar experience.
You’ve managed to forge the penultimate car discussion in recent history. This is unparalleled. PLEASE continue with this beautiful format!
Z3 M Coupe for me its the peach, because of the looks, the rear E30 suspensión, the S54 motor and the overall drive.. had the z4m but sold it because of the Z3MC!
S2K is another great machine.. it has the best shifter of its class 👌
Funny because when I bought it, I knew in 8-10 years , it would be the last 'real' sports car around. Nat. Aspirated, straight 6 pulling in a perfect straight line, and responsive as hell with perfect balance. The first time I broke the rear end on purpose and drifted 100 yards, it came back so natuarally that all you can do is smile. Nothing else felt like that. Not a 911, not a cayman, and on and on. I want to put it in context with older sports cars in terms as feel…but I haven't driven enough to do so. Like a modern 67 stingray with modern steering, suspension, and just enough gruff..
Specs as promised:
2007 BMW Z4 Specs
Engine
No internal engine modifications
Castrol TWS 10W60 oil
RPI intake scoops
Euro S54 headers
Supersprint X-pipe, connecting pipe and mufflers
ESS Software Flash
Vorshlag poly engine mounts (Returned to stock)
Transmission & Drivetrain
No internal transmission modifications
Redline MTL transmission fluid
Redline 75W90 differential gear oil
UUC clutch kit w/ lightweight flywheel
Vorshlag transmission mounts (Returned to stock)
UUC short shifter
UUC DSSR
Clutch Delay Valve Delete
Suspension & Chassis
KW Clubsport coilovers w/camber plates
TC Kline rear trailing arm bushings
TC Kline adjustable rear lower control arms
TC Kline rear shock mounts
Strong Strut front upper strut tower brace
Powerflex front control arm bushings
BBS RGR 18x8.5 and 18X10 wheels
Brakes
OEM rotors
Motul RBF 600 Brake Fluid
Stoptech braided brake lines
Performance Friction PFC01 brake pads
Body & Interior
Sparco DTM RS carbon fiber seats
Speedware Motorsports brackets
Speedware Motorsports aluminum side mounts
Schroth 6-point racing harnesses.
APR carbon fiber front splitter
APR carbon fiber rear adjustable spoiler
Braille 15lb Battery and mount (Returned to stock)
Custom half cage manufactured and installed by Speedware
Motorsports I/OPort camera mount
Other
All modifications and maintenance performed by Speedware Motorsports in Redmond WA. (www.speedwaremotorsports.com)
In the past two years the car has been maintained by Northeast Motorsports in NJ (www.nemotorsportsllc.com)
I own a 2007 Z4 M Coupe and a 2002 Z3 M Coupe and I have to say they are both amazing cars in different ways. Aftermarket Clutch Delay Valve (CDV) is a must in the Z4M. It's much more refined than the Z3M Coupe and also does not have bottom end rod-bearing issues like the early S54 cars. If you can't afford a Z3MC for $45,000+, then get a Z4MC. In the numbers game and in reliability the Z4MC is a better car. Less wild, more refined, faster, and easier to live with everyday. I'll create a video channel on here with detailed repair info on both of these cars and show how affordably you can own a BMW Z sports car.
3:00 Shooting brake is the term you're looking for, I think.
i was watching Jeopardy at the same time and yelled this out! (I'm UK)
"Bread Wagon". That's what I was hunting for.
no its Breadvan
Watching this I couldnt believe 3 guys in the Manhattan car club couldn't think of the name shooting brake..lol.
996 all day long (with the seal fix)
Got both. Z4M Coupe and 996 C2 manual. Both driving gold and very different to each other.
2008 BMW 335i sedan, sports package, 6 speed. Easy, cheap, and reliably make 400whp with 2k and about 4-5 mods. Motor, trans, fuel system can handle the power easily. 4 doors makes everyone happy. BMW drives, well, like a BMW. Have a little more money to spend? 2009 CTS-V sedan or wagon if you can find one. Want something less practical? C6 Z06. Those would be my top 3.
Too much talking not enough car.
Yeah anoying and why theres only double the like as there is dislikes
Shame the only car sounds are the outro
Crossfire. I've bought one, it's rare, looks stunning and still very modern, cruises like a proper GT, has more than enough speed (6.7s -60 & 155mph) great engine (3.2 SLK V6) and handles really well, even if it feel so rather numb to control. It has plenty of equipment, it's comfortable and all this costs very little money now.
The pendulum motion you described happens because it's exactly opposite as you described. You are sitting closer to the rear wheels so you are at the end of the pendulum which is pronounced. Small input in front of you, large output behind you. It makes for a feeling of as you stated, rotating. A car that truly rotates on it's center is like driving a bumper-car.
i got sleepy watching this....
atleast drive the damn car lol
/SIT
I just learned how to speed up the video to 1.5x....it helps!
Seriously. This sucked.
Junah Moreau
Couldn't have said it better.
Mitsubishi evo 8/9... all around the best car I owned
From going to school and back
And track days on the weekend
Held up like a champ
Great car for sure. We ran one at CCC with an anti-lag system and a lot of mods. It was a mindblower.
These cars are gorgeous. Similar long hood like the the 240z jag..etc.. timeless design.
You don't get them in the US and they stopped building them in 2006 but my choice is the Vauxhall VX220 turbo (Opel Speedster in the rest of Europe). Mid engine Lotus chassis, GM 2.0 turbo bullet proof power plant. Weights 930kg, half a tonne lighter than your average Porches, Ferrari's and your Z4. Totally out grips the supercars. Bucket loads of feedback. Standard 0-62mph 4.7. The average mpg for me was 35. On a run through Germany 44mpg siting mostly at 85-90 mph. The engine is very tuneable for reasonable cost and 300 bhp will give you a torquey delivery and 0-62 around 3.5 (depending on tyres). Nice turbos are fetching £12-14,000. Its a performance bargain. You can drive it quickly at 90-95% in any weather, on any road. The last 5% requires a lot more concentration 8) Nothing will match it on a twisty B road. I've had two and I'll most certainly be having a third. Spend £10k tweaking a VX in the right places and you end up with something very special.
The car that got me into cars was my old zx3. I lived in it, and I had to fix it weekly. It ate my paychecks and screwed me out of a job once. But god damn was the suicidal ideation on backroads fun. Going 80 in a 35 in a car the rattles and screams at you really gets your blood pumping, especially when you truly are ready to die.
BMW E46 330ci manual. Bought mine with 120k miles for $4800. Just done some basic maintenance and I have put 30k miles on it no problem. Fantastic to drive, pretty quick, and mines got a drop top.
Greatness
996 Turbo. Excellent platform to build. Power and an excellent chassis. Probably at the bottom of the depreciation curve right now.
any 997 would be pretty awesome
Lots of great cars mentioned in comments, but none produced in low numbers like the Z4 M Coupe. They only made 1815 for US market.
The z4m actually looks like a car I drew as a kid back in elementary school like 15 years ago. Fucking wild dude.
Car that reignited my love for driving was 2004 Corvette Z06. I was wonderfully balanced, but it commanded your respect, and if driven right it was so rewarding. Unfortunately, I was forced to sell it, life happens. But I will purchase another Corvette, maybe a newer one if it delivers the same analog driving experience.
Wish z4 M coupes were cheaper but a non M e46 or a z4 3.0 is plenty fun still
Yep. Still a ton of car.
3.0Si has the M body kit and more power vs 3.0
I own a 2.0 z4 and it is indeed fun!
Insurance for the 3.0L is just too much for me.. nearly 2000 euro per year. I'm young and would like to save some money.
Got my non m for $800 and now it's ls1 swapped with 500hp
2006-07 C6 Z06. Have not driven one but I heard the performance is BRUTAL! :O
They are great car. Much more plastic fantastic than the C7 but still great.
the first gen z4 is definitely on my top 5 favourite bmw list
Enjoyed this. When the time comes to sell my E30 M3 it'll be a Z4 M or E46 M3 that takes its place.
we can trade
Mike Prichinello Nice try. A tidy Z4M here is around £20k, so about half the value of my E30. Crazy I know. Mind you, just spent £10k on rebuilding the s14 with Schrick, DTA standalone etc, so it won't be going anywhere for a while. If anyone is interested check out Performance BMW Magazine.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=&t=1425465&d=13602.47112
I believe the term Mike is looking for at 2:55 is "Shooting Brake".
Z3M The Bread van in the UK, and you can't buy one because everyone wants them for a keeper and their prices are appreciating
I logged in just to give this video a thumbs up, regardless if I liked their choice...because /DRIVE is a cool channel and deserves it.
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Rudy M Thanks Rudy. What would be your pick?
E92 330CI or M3 if you can afford it! This is a veery good sport car.
as an owner of the older z3 m coupe id love to know how this car performs compared to mine. love the way it looks, can't go wrong with an s54 and the z geometry is just the best. good choice guys
Sounds like we need to do a consumer study shoot out! Where do you live?
2009 Porsche Cayman S with PDK.
then post this in 2019 when it's been 10 fucking years
PDK not the driver's choice. So what if it's faster against the clock.
Awesome topic, I love older cars. Best 20, 30 year old cars too, maybe?
Also, maybe throw some visuals in...car pics....TV in the background like on Top Gear, etc.
Lotus Elise.
spookmineer nononono
i've had the Elise for 7 yrs..no issues..lots of revs..literally the definition of analog, and the value is going up on them
relating to or using signals or information represented by a continuously variable physical quantity such as spatial position or voltage.
umm i don't see anything about lotus or elise in there
Caterhams are nice aswel
Great cars. We've had a few - Exiges as well. They have a safe space in my heart. The Z4 is a bit more of a daily driver if you want it to be, but still - Exige/Elise - great sports cars/
I simply this car, I never get tired of it.
Miss this show. Thank you.
I'd take an NSX even though it's expensive. Just a brilliant car. It's a shame we can't get a Type-S or R. Well at least not for another 10years for the NA2 version.
E46 M3
this is the best answer
good pick but there are cheaper fun to be had
I love this trio.
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S2000 is a pick for a 10 year old car and one you've talked about on this show a bunch. I'd love to get my hands on that modified Z4M though. F20C and S54 are the pinnacle for naturally aspirated inline 4s and 6s. I don't think we'll see them again soon.
s2000 seems like a better one because of the cost to maintain as well. Great track car, super fun and it will last forever as long as it has oil in it. I've never driven a z4M before though, so maybe I'm just bias.
I'm so happy you guys are back
/Drive my pick would be a 996 mk ii, ideally a 40th anniversary (jahre) by not necessarily as all the mods can be done on a standard car. Add a roll cage, good tires, adjust geometry (on lowered sports suspensions or GT3 suspensions) and you have a car that is as great to drive as a 911R with less power but still super fast. Some 40th anniversary have been converted to GT3 competitors android are tracked and traced. Awesome car.
Not a sports car and >>10 years old but I like that FJ62 in the background...
Does the Z4M have the same frame crack issues the E46 chassis has?
I have read that on these the sway bar mounts rip out of the chassis and have to weld them back in, specially if you use stiffer sway bars. You have to reinforce the area by welding sheet metal on the chassis to prevent it from cracking again. Also the chassis is weak enough that you can tell if its been tracked. If the panel gaps are off, assuming it has never been in a collision, chances are the car has seen hard track use, the chassis will actually tweak enough to throw the panel gaps off.
BMW has had a very bad reputation with frames tweaking, bending, cracking on normal day to day use, especially 10 years ago. Its like if you hit a pot hole, BAM, chassis is bent. Mini coopers, Z8, all E46 chassis have weak frames. I have seen E46 M3s were the previous owner had covered the wide frame cracks with duct tape and painted over to hide them during a sale. Eventually the cracks can get so bad that the rear sub-frame will actually completely separate from the chassis. How fun would that be on a HWY in a high speed turn? Some of these you have to cut the entire floor board out and weld a new one in. Very expensive to do and may not be worth it on a cheap used car in today prices.
For the E90 M3 they redesigned the chassis but still managed to find a way to screw things up with that model. Rod bearings prematurely wear and fail, resulting in catastrophic engine failure. People are recommending changing the rod bearings every 50,000 miles! E60 M5 has the same issues as it uses the same bearing sizes. I can't see any of these appreciating in value like the old ones. If I have to weld sheet metal to the frame to reinforce it so that it won't crack again, its not factory original anymore and non reversible damage.
Bought a 6 speed manual e63 M6! few things to watch like almost every sport cars but what a fantastic machine to drive! especially for the price they are at now! I don't think there is a ''best'' sport car to buy , there's so many personal preferences that come into play.
Subaru wrx 2003 bugeye , Subaru wrx sti 2004, and Ford GT 2003-2005
Porsche Cayman
hustler539 yup yup yup. 2007 Cayman S can be had in manual for under $26k where I live
Why was i thinking that 2008 was like 2 years ago the entire time they were talking about the car saying it was a 10yr old car?😂😂😂😂😂😂
Everyone Talking about their nice cars and here I am with my 13 year old 3ltr Jaguar X-Type driving it around like a track car. But a 13 year old $2,500 car is worth beating up on a daily basis.
Mike - been a while since I tuned in but your new haircut is a big improvement!
Best car ever you just have to upgrade everything
Best sports car I've had was a E46 M3 CS..... 3.2 - S54 has to be one of the best engines. Still got my Clio Williams which is great for different reasons....light and analog compare to my modern daily driver.
I am sorry, I do not agree. I believe the 2002 Honda S2000. It is a 9000 RPM on a six speed. It is heaven to drive.
I own this car, it only has 26000 k mi. It is by far the sweetest sounding car which came ready for the track with 240 HP. I haven't change mine but they can easily attain over 600HP with the right blower.
S2000!!!!!!👍
or RX8 if you're not a middle-aged bald man :-D
No. E46 is more sensible choice. Sedan or coupe is personal preference. Cheap and parts are available.
Good god Zac THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT; WTF is with the trend towards comically large wheels?
987 Porsche Cayman s pow
B7 Audi RS4. Hands down! As long as you buy an aftermarket warranty :)
wow...these Z4Ms are freaking expensive over here in DE...did not expect that
You guys should do a short video for each of the cars at CCCM.
C6 corvette z51 or z06 are available as ten year old sports cars for very little money especially considering the performance offered....
Im an MB guy, SL550 for under $30K is elegant luxury with some dcent performance
I love when you guys do this. Thanks
z3m is legendary, odd. awesome, rare and appreciating. no car like it, z4m is pretty cool also.
the best sports cars are the ones with no electronic nannies or can be completely disabled.
This is total BS. The best 10 year old sports car one could buy is obviously a Porsche Cayman S.
Well, when we're talking 10 year old sports cars in general, nobody said anything about a track. Given price, comfort, and driving experience, the Cayman seems like the best 10 year old sports car (not race car, sports car).
If you're talking aftermarket racing, well then that's entirely different, and there are hundreds of cars that can work well, but the Porsche is good to go right off the showroom floor; it's like a 300hp Scion frs, but nicer. In comparison the z4 feels like a small Mustang.
2005 Chrysler Crossfire srt6 pulley intake tune low 12 second car on street tries
C6 Z06. HANDS DOWN!!!
Pontiac Solstice
Kingjay814 I am a bit biased, cause I just bought one. Check out my channel for vids of it!
Great choice
Evo.
Adrian Paul 60% front wheel drive fuck that
bro ! It's FWD before you man up and floor it mid corner.
Robert Young Yes, I meant it as a joke xD
If you buy a used sports car, why buy anything else than a convertible? A sports car is only fun to drive when the weather is nice.
Negan took a break from Walking Dead to talk to us about cars.
Killin' zombies and tires. All in a day's work.
e36 m3. greatest bang for the buck.
Its been a week lads time for more content
I will say that, the guy on the far left, every time he says something, he starts with, "I will say that..."
I'm beginning to kinda notice it.
It's beginning to be annoying.
Oh well. Small complaint. Fantastic show, as usual.
I live in the north east so I vote 05 STI!
I like my 2009 solstice coupe with GM tune fun to drive and can be pushed with complaining
Audi TT MK1 (225 HP) SO FUN!!!
When u recognize the background in the thumbnail!! Industry city in Brooklyn!!
I have a z4 3.0i roadster, I'd love the coupe they look better, especially the z4m, I do enjoy putting the roof down though
Straight 6 n/a engine is great
I have a Z4 M Roadster.... and really enjoy the S54 Sound with the roof off! I do not track the car, so a coupe was not ideal for me.
Maybe one day an m will be mine
think the coupe looks great though, we need a coupe shape with a hard top retractable roof, best of both worlds, probably not possible to make and it would be too heavy, the e89 looks ok but still not as great as the e86 coupe
Great to see the z4 getting some love, rwd, great engine, classic looks with the huge bonnet (I'm British lol) given those features it's not really talked about much
I agree, its kind of the forgotten gem. Everybody talks about the M3. Yet this car is a true sports car, not sports sedan.
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I recently bought a 2003 Z4 3.0i manual with 39000 miles. I love it.
The z4 3.0si coupe is an excellent alternative to the Z4 M coupe since it's 200 lbs lighter (all in the front end) with a magnesium block engine, and still excellent power. The 3.0si coupe is one of the lightest BMW rwd sports cars.
S2000. They're not cheap and they will never get cheaper. They rev past 8000. You can rest assured they will only appreciate.
This
Israeli3030 yah and every single one of them have been modified and riced out and than before someone resell it they put it somewhere near stock and pretend it was that way its entire life....
that's not cheap for a car of that era
e92 m3's better, v8, revs to 8200.
Where is "here"? I'm looking for one, and that's much cheaper than where I currently am looking. We're talking about clean title under 60k miles?
Z4 coupe is like a much better version of the 350z
Lol I own a 350z and want a Z4coupe now
A little over a year ago I bought an '07 Z4 M Coupe, black on extended black leather. An unknown past and 100,000 miles on it. I drove it before I bought it and what a beast (lol, especially with the Sport button on). I LOVE THIS CAR so much - I've had a lot of Mustangs including a Saleen and also owned an '04 Honda S2000. All shite compared to this god of a car. I've never driven or been in a car with so much soul. I will pay for and replace anything and everything this car needs to keep it for a very long time. Engine blows? So what, I'll replace it.
Reliability? For many years I avoided used BMW's cus I "heard" they were unreliable. Dead wrong. 107k and 10 years old and this thing has been faultless. It literally drives like it's brand new and I've had not one problem of ANY kind with it.
Lastly, if you own one of these do yourself a favor and get the Stromung mufflers. Not too loud at all for this old guy but still quite beefy.
BMW unreliable? I have now driven many models including 6 and 8 cylinder cars and unreliable is not in my book.
Still have the same opinion ?
Eyyy
Eyyy!
Fabian Strøm eyyy my name is Fabian too
Such a great platform, great choice. The Z4 GT3 is one of the most gorgeous racecars ever made IMO. The Z4M or even a regular Z4 will always be on my wishlist.
26minute vide with no fucking b-roll. Get it together guys, its not a podcast.
I never film myself fucking. And it is a podcast, that we film.
John Friedrich b roll? So stupid
As a Z4M driver I agree, though I might be a bit biased ;-)
But that S54 engine is just a masterpiece, I honestly don't think there is any other engine in that price range which can beat it. Good power output, driveability, decent torque, revs to 8.000RPM, sounds awesome, decent fuel consumption (11-13l/100km), reliable, not to heavy
997.1 Turbo
997.1 GT3 RS
BMW m5/m6 V10 (yes, I know that those are heavy but da noise)!!
BMW Z4 M coupe
Honda S2000
Corvette C6 Z06
Audi RS4
Audi R8 MT6
the Z3M is the bread van here in the UK +/DRIVE
Car manufacturers need to stop making crap digital cars and go back to analog, everything is so disconnected and artificial feeling these days...
Danny .Lopez so true
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