Thanks, Thorsten. If the M lens is similar to the SL 35, you should see a wonderful drop off that’s just like you were shooting a 1.4 instead of the “boring” 2.0! Another of Peter’s miracles. BTW, I bought one of your wonderful camera straps for my M10 about a month ago - black with orange trim - and absolutely love it!!
I've placed pre-order via BHPhotoVideo on this since it was available for pre-order. I also got the 35mm f/1.4 floating element. Spectacular and versatile lens but kinda big. I would imagine using the APO on trips since it has close focus range for further flexibility and probably don't need to use my phone for some moderate close-ups.
I just purchased the 35mm APO f/2.0 and found out you need live view to use the close up ranges. It won't work well with the Leica film MP or the Leica M9 Monochrome.
Thanks Thorsten, well I finally bought my Q2 and I’m finding I really enjoy the 28mm field of view. I’m blown away by the clarity. The lens seems to produce a glow in some of the images which I love.
Great video. Very informative! I have a Digilux 2 and it is still pretty enough to use in 2022. The lens is really good and the Digilux 2 even have a video function. The video provides its own unique and special characters. I love my Digilux 2. Thank you.
I still have the good ol' "King of Bokeh" version 4 Summicron. I love the way it renders wide open, with the slightly crazy background blur. And if you want ultimate sharpness, it's can still compete with modern lenses stopped down to F5.6 or F8. Never stops amazing me how highly resolving these old Leica lenses can be stopped down a bit.
@@thedondeluxe6941 Haha right, and oh yes mine too. Especially the Mandler ones, although the ASPH is special in its own right. Then you have the legendary F1 but, that's another story 😁
@@spoolindsm127 Totally agree! Mine is a Mandler designed pre-asph. Super nice and smooth rendering. The old F1 Nocti is special, but that new Voigtländer 50mm F1 is pretty fab too! Future classic, I think😄
Thanks Thorsten, are APO lenses useful for monochrome cameras? If this technique corrects difference in the light speeds / breaking angles of different colours then there should be limited benefits for B&W.
The 50APO is really great for monochrome, it could be APO and ASPH that plays in, but mainly most likely that the resolution (lines per mm) was doubled from 50APO and onward for M lenses. The sensor of the Monochrom can capture that resolution, where film had no chance and there was no reason to make that high-resolution lenses before digital.
Thank you, Thorsten! No mention of the APO Summicron 50/2.0? Or did I miss it? That should be a lens most like the new APO 35, in your favorite focal length?
Thank you Thorsten. I hung on to the end and understood enough to look further into what an APO lens is and what it can produce. Do not be afraid to do another video of this length or style.
Beginner question here: does the APO design somehow affect the impact on monochrom sensors, because usually lenses have a colour spectrum built into them, right? So does the APO design have any advantages over the ASPH design? I ask because I am acquiring a beautiful M Monochrom from 2012 (10760) with a 50mm Summicron. As I build out my lenses, I'd like to know more from people like you who are veterans with the M system.
Colors are clearer and more precise down to the most minute micro details. That should also affect monochrome because - after all - light is made of Red, Green and Blue and the precision with which those hit the sensor has influence. The APO 50 was introduced with the M Monochrom camera and showed extreme details (both lens and the fact that the sensor ony had to deal with monochromes).
@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard This is great to know, and exactly the kind of information that's tough to find in forums. I think I will enjoy my Monochrom very much, since it's my first Leica. I will certainly be back in this channel in the future. Cheers!
Good insight, Sir Thorsten, This is the dilemma we all are in, I guess, can't decide which one to get as they are all in their own right SO SO GOOD! I am a 50mm guy myself but lately invested in a 35mm asp 1.4 (stainless steel version that comes with the M60 body, got that too, I got it because of the kit, basically, I was a sucker for the M60 kit and I bought it after yrs of thinking about it. Well I do enjoy the wider view of the 35mm, its not so wide but at the same time is as it captures just enough more then a 50mm. I think its good to own a 50 and a 35 in one's life time.
Hello Thorsten, will you be inclined to think that Leica will release a limited version of the 35 apo asph in the future? Much like what they did with the 50 apo asph
Siden jeg som konfirmand fik mit Minolta SRT-101 med en 55/1.7 har jeg elsket denne brændvidde, nu båret over i en Summilux. Jeg bliver heller aldrig 35mm fan. Meister Berlin solgte mig for nogle år siden en Angenieux Zoom 45-90/2.8 med R-bajonet. Har du prøvet/haft sådan een? Men fin og informativ video.
Not directly comparable, but I would think the 35 APO involve more precision and more knowledge accumulated after having made the 50 APO and then a good handful of APO lenses for the L range since that first 50 APO.
Good news for viewers: the Don is right. You do not need this masterpiece in order to take great pictures. I use the original eight element '50s Summicron on my M3 and I cannot imagine that the APO would be markedly better. There is a mountain of fine old Leica lenses available that will not savage your bank accounts.
The 8 element 35 Summicron definitely dries up my bank account with a price tag of USD3,500+ . The 2nd version (king of bokeh) 7 element is more affordable with stunning performance.
I am still saving up for the 35mm APO because its longer sibling 50mm APO knocked my socks out. I have the 50 Noct 0.95, 1.0 and V1 to V4 50mm yet this 50APO is simply stunning. The results are near medium format output even on my M10-P with only 24Mp sensor. Like mentioned in the video, it's the clarity that is outstanding. With gentle fall offs. I also own S2, 006 and 007. The 120 APO Macro Summarit is a tad superior. Can't wait to try out the 35APO.
Great explanation of what it feels like to be a Leica M lens addict. Constant tradeoffs of specs vs novelty vs performance and $. Interesting to see that the SL 35mm APO is £3,900 and the new M 35mm Summicron APO is £6,700, 71% more expensive for shrinking the same elements into a M-lens body and removing autofocus.. Leica is becoming increasingly like Porsche and Rolex. You pay more for less..
Lens weight is something Leica and Leica users should keep in mind. Street photographers regularly using Leica's 75mm lens will probably end up suing Leica for something called Noctilux-lens-induced arthritis or "Noctilux hands."
so Leica made a 35mm lens that close focuses to 30cm. But the Zeiss flektagon 35mm focuses down to 20 cm as does the Nikon 28mm f 2.8 Ais. Is it because the Leica is a more compact lens that makes its close focusing amazing? This is a real question. Im only lately realizing compact lenses have innate problems like with wide apertures etc?
@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Thank-you for response Thorsten. I think I under estimate how compact Leica lenses are. As I said it was a real question. The Flektagon and the Nikon are both slower lenses than the Leica. And I don't know if they are apochromatic or not. And when I compare the size of the Lecia 50mm f 0.95 to the current manual focus Nikon 50 mm 0.95 I'm left wondering what is wrong with Nikon that they have to make this lens as big as a house! Thanks again.
Someone needs to make a Blue Book for Leica camera s & lenses going all the way back! ??? Thorsten, how often do you shoot below F2? Just curious. I know, it is great to have 1.4 or 0.95 when you need or WANT it. I always wondered why some of the new lenses (especially with the Leica M) are so different in size. Larger Dia. flange mount = more light, but the length also. I mean 35mm focal length is 35mm, Y/N? Thanks for the vid. I can listen to vlogers talk about the Leica lenses all day.
The 50mm Summicron -f/2.0 "Rigid" is the answer to your prayers. Fantasic lens, available at not that high prices (also available at higher prices for mint looking editions). Other than that, the 50mm Summicron 1980's model and design (still going stong).
Hmmm I used to have a Zuiko 35mm F2 quite shallow fully opened, I always used it at F2.8, F1.4 must be really shallow. The 35mm F2 is a compact size, that and a 50mm F1.4 really is all the lens most people need...At some point, I may get a Leica but need to improve as a photographer to justify carrying it...
I should say it’s pronounced as ‘A-sferical’ as opposed to ‘sferical’. This means the glass surface is curved slightly near the edges. So not pronounced as: As-Perical. Minor gripe.
Great video 📷👍🏻 I love my 35mm Summicron and my 50mm Summilux. They work great on my M240 and the SL2-S. Have you used the L mount 35mm Summicron? Greetings from Austria
No, I have the SL and SL2 and use very few L lenses and mostly M lenses on them. The 50mm Summilux and 35 Summilux is probably the best allround lenses for M.
"I was like ... its a big lens. *smack lips* Also a fantastic lens ... (thick euro-accent speaks) *smacks lips* ... M .. its inexpensive, because I'm wealthy stupid rich"
Papa Overgaard went a bit on a ramble here, but these are my favourite videos
Very enjoyable
I thought that that the 75 f2 apo had a built in lens hood, the one you showed had a vented lens hood attached, was that an earlier version ?
Thanks Thorsten, it's always a please to listen some interesting stories about Leica accompanied with some beautiful images. Very inspiring
Thank you :-)
Thanks, Thorsten. If the M lens is similar to the SL 35, you should see a wonderful drop off that’s just like you were shooting a 1.4 instead of the “boring” 2.0! Another of Peter’s miracles. BTW, I bought one of your wonderful camera straps for my M10 about a month ago - black with orange trim - and absolutely love it!!
Are the colours / tonal / contrast a lot better on new 35 Summilux or 35 Apo?
Love your videos. I also find it impressive how committed you are to pronouncing "photographer" and "photography" in the most Danish way possible.
I have the lens Thorsten. I am in CPH and you are welcome to try it out if you are here. It is better then 50 APO and in M10R it is amazing.
Thanks for the explanation, maybe a Q3 with apo lens is coming! That would be awesome.
Looks like a nice collection of fountain pens too. 😊
I've placed pre-order via BHPhotoVideo on this since it was available for pre-order.
I also got the 35mm f/1.4 floating element. Spectacular and versatile lens but kinda big. I would imagine using the APO on trips since it has close focus range for further flexibility and probably don't need to use my phone for some moderate close-ups.
I just purchased the 35mm APO f/2.0 and found out you need live view to use the close up ranges. It won't work well with the Leica film MP or the Leica M9 Monochrome.
Thanks Thorsten, well I finally bought my Q2 and I’m finding I really enjoy the 28mm field of view. I’m blown away by the clarity. The lens seems to produce a glow in some of the images which I love.
Great video. Very informative!
I have a Digilux 2 and it is still pretty enough to use in 2022.
The lens is really good and the Digilux 2 even have a video function.
The video provides its own unique and special characters.
I love my Digilux 2.
Thank you.
35mm is Ansel Adams favorite focal length. 2.0 is the best aperture as well for the best bokeh. a 35 and a 80mm.
I still have the good ol' "King of Bokeh" version 4 Summicron. I love the way it renders wide open, with the slightly crazy background blur. And if you want ultimate sharpness, it's can still compete with modern lenses stopped down to F5.6 or F8. Never stops amazing me how highly resolving these old Leica lenses can be stopped down a bit.
Dumbest nickname for a lens ever. Not even true. The guy who accidentally coined it regrets it too.
@@spoolindsm127 Yep, makes no sense at all😂 My personal choice for Bokeh King is the 50 Summilux.
@@thedondeluxe6941 Haha right, and oh yes mine too. Especially the Mandler ones, although the ASPH is special in its own right. Then you have the legendary F1 but, that's another story 😁
@@spoolindsm127 Totally agree! Mine is a Mandler designed pre-asph. Super nice and smooth rendering.
The old F1 Nocti is special, but that new Voigtländer 50mm F1 is pretty fab too! Future classic, I think😄
Thanks Thorsten, are APO lenses useful for monochrome cameras? If this technique corrects difference in the light speeds / breaking angles of different colours then there should be limited benefits for B&W.
The 50APO is really great for monochrome, it could be APO and ASPH that plays in, but mainly most likely that the resolution (lines per mm) was doubled from 50APO and onward for M lenses. The sensor of the Monochrom can capture that resolution, where film had no chance and there was no reason to make that high-resolution lenses before digital.
Thank you, Thorsten! No mention of the APO Summicron 50/2.0? Or did I miss it? That should be a lens most like the new APO 35, in your favorite focal length?
Yes, I had it on my mind, so probably thought I mentioned it :-).
Finally, I am waiting for a long time, thanks for sharing!!!
Thank you Thorsten. I hung on to the end and understood enough to look further into what an APO lens is and what it can produce. Do not be afraid to do another video of this length or style.
Beginner question here: does the APO design somehow affect the impact on monochrom sensors, because usually lenses have a colour spectrum built into them, right? So does the APO design have any advantages over the ASPH design? I ask because I am acquiring a beautiful M Monochrom from 2012 (10760) with a 50mm Summicron. As I build out my lenses, I'd like to know more from people like you who are veterans with the M system.
Colors are clearer and more precise down to the most minute micro details. That should also affect monochrome because - after all - light is made of Red, Green and Blue and the precision with which those hit the sensor has influence. The APO 50 was introduced with the M Monochrom camera and showed extreme details (both lens and the fact that the sensor ony had to deal with monochromes).
@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard This is great to know, and exactly the kind of information that's tough to find in forums. I think I will enjoy my Monochrom very much, since it's my first Leica. I will certainly be back in this channel in the future. Cheers!
Thank you for the white balance blog. Very helpful.
Greetings Good Sir, any updates as to when the M 35 APO will become widely available? Thank you,
What about the 35 lux TL how was that made ?
Good insight, Sir Thorsten, This is the dilemma we all are in, I guess, can't decide which one to get as they are all in their own right SO SO GOOD!
I am a 50mm guy myself but lately invested in a 35mm asp 1.4 (stainless steel version that comes with the M60 body, got that too, I got it because of the kit, basically, I was a sucker for the M60 kit and I bought it after yrs of thinking about it. Well I do enjoy the wider view of the 35mm, its not so wide but at the same time is as it captures just enough more then a 50mm. I think its good to own a 50 and a 35 in one's life time.
11:20 has purple fringing all over the top of the eagle's head!
The I don't need it sentence was the best ; )
Is that a Fuji XE-4 on that shelf in the background? 🤔
My thoughts exactly!
Leica D-Lux 7 in silver :-)
Is there a comparison of apo 35, in both SL and M mount, on your plans?
Can you compare the Leica 35mm APO-Summicron-M APSH 2.0 to the Voigtländer 35mm 2.0 APO-Lanthar ?
Check the top of the eagle head @11:19 to understand why the Summicron-APO 90mm does not deserve the “APO” designation.
Hello Thorsten, will you be inclined to think that Leica will release a limited version of the 35 apo asph in the future? Much like what they did with the 50 apo asph
Siden jeg som konfirmand fik mit Minolta SRT-101 med en 55/1.7 har jeg elsket denne brændvidde, nu båret over i en Summilux. Jeg bliver heller aldrig 35mm fan. Meister Berlin solgte mig for nogle år siden en Angenieux Zoom 45-90/2.8 med R-bajonet. Har du prøvet/haft sådan een? Men fin og informativ video.
Angenieux lyder spændende, men har ikke leget med den. 35-70/4 og 35-70/2.8 til R har jeg brugt, begge fine ...
Is the 35mm apo f2 more superior than 50mm f2 apo?
Not directly comparable, but I would think the 35 APO involve more precision and more knowledge accumulated after having made the 50 APO and then a good handful of APO lenses for the L range since that first 50 APO.
Thanks for the informative vid. Love the 50mm Black Chrome too.
Thank you for your Insight, A very eye opener for us
Good news for viewers: the Don is right. You do not need this masterpiece in order to take great pictures. I use the original eight element '50s Summicron on my M3 and I cannot imagine that the APO would be markedly better. There is a mountain of fine old Leica lenses available that will not savage your bank accounts.
The 8 element 35 Summicron definitely dries up my bank account with a price tag of USD3,500+ . The 2nd version (king of bokeh) 7 element is more affordable with stunning performance.
But for new M11 high resolution cameras it’s recommended to use new lens.
I am still saving up for the 35mm APO because its longer sibling 50mm APO knocked my socks out. I have the 50 Noct 0.95, 1.0 and V1 to V4 50mm yet this 50APO is simply stunning. The results are near medium format output even on my M10-P with only 24Mp sensor. Like mentioned in the video, it's the clarity that is outstanding. With gentle fall offs. I also own S2, 006 and 007. The 120 APO Macro Summarit is a tad superior. Can't wait to try out the 35APO.
Great explanation of what it feels like to be a Leica M lens addict. Constant tradeoffs of specs vs novelty vs performance and $. Interesting to see that the SL 35mm APO is £3,900 and the new M 35mm Summicron APO is £6,700, 71% more expensive for shrinking the same elements into a M-lens body and removing autofocus.. Leica is becoming increasingly like Porsche and Rolex. You pay more for less..
You have option for Fujifilm 😂🥰
Unrelated question, what are your thoughts on the Zeiss Otus Lenses?
Bulky design, probably comparable to the Leica L lenses in philosophy.
Something else just occurred to me. Is it much harder to make lenses with close focus for rangefinder cameras?
Linhof still produce no fewer than five 4x5 models. 👌
Great Montblanc fountain pen BTW. 4810 ludwig ii~joseph ii~..Amazing
Lens weight is something Leica and Leica users should keep in mind. Street photographers regularly using Leica's 75mm lens will probably end up suing Leica for something called Noctilux-lens-induced arthritis or "Noctilux hands."
Brilliant as usual.
Thank you :-)
Hey, I have the APO-Summicron-M 35. When are you in Germany? Then you can try it out. :)
so Leica made a 35mm lens that close focuses to 30cm. But the Zeiss flektagon 35mm focuses down to 20 cm as does the Nikon 28mm f 2.8 Ais. Is it because the Leica is a more compact lens that makes its close focusing amazing? This is a real question. Im only lately realizing compact lenses have innate problems like with wide apertures etc?
It's a new thing for Leica, and it's definitely a very compact lens (as it should be for the M system).
@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard Thank-you for response Thorsten. I think I under estimate how compact Leica lenses are. As I said it was a real question. The Flektagon and the Nikon are both slower lenses than the Leica. And I don't know if they are apochromatic or not. And when I compare the size of the Lecia 50mm f 0.95 to the current manual focus Nikon 50 mm 0.95 I'm left wondering what is wrong with Nikon that they have to make this lens as big as a house! Thanks again.
Someone needs to make a Blue Book for Leica camera s & lenses going all the way back! ??? Thorsten, how often do you shoot below F2? Just curious. I know, it is great to have 1.4 or 0.95 when you need or WANT it. I always wondered why some of the new lenses (especially with the Leica M) are so different in size. Larger Dia. flange mount = more light, but the length also. I mean 35mm focal length is 35mm, Y/N? Thanks for the vid. I can listen to vlogers talk about the Leica lenses all day.
Don't forget the Summarit. Very nice lens. Maybe to inexpensive for Leica
Yes, Summarit has been overlooked throughout their life span. Economics, great lenses.
Thorsten, any place where I can find what M-mount 50mm "cheaper" lenses you recommend for someone on a budget?
The 50mm Summicron -f/2.0 "Rigid" is the answer to your prayers. Fantasic lens, available at not that high prices (also available at higher prices for mint looking editions). Other than that, the 50mm Summicron 1980's model and design (still going stong).
@@MagicOfLight_ThorstenOvergaard ❤️
Did you find one? I'm selling mine!
Good advice. Buying lots of cheaper lenses as a compromise and consolation, isn't going to get you any closer to the lens you really want.
Hmmm I used to have a Zuiko 35mm F2 quite shallow fully opened, I always used it at F2.8, F1.4 must be really shallow. The 35mm F2 is a compact size, that and a 50mm F1.4 really is all the lens most people need...At some point, I may get a Leica but need to improve as a photographer to justify carrying it...
I should say it’s pronounced as ‘A-sferical’ as opposed to ‘sferical’. This means the glass surface is curved slightly near the edges.
So not pronounced as: As-Perical. Minor gripe.
Thorsten, how many beautiful desks you have in your house? There is a new workspace in every video. haha
Yes, different locations. I travel around quite a bit.
And a Beosound Level in the background :-)
he talked 20 minutes even without getting hold of the lens....and he doesn't even need it
Where I see Leica optics shows clarity, is peoples eyecolors, they seem to really enhance eyecolors. Just my observation, don't know if it's true. ;)
Great video 📷👍🏻
I love my 35mm Summicron and my 50mm Summilux. They work great on my M240 and the SL2-S. Have you used the L mount 35mm Summicron?
Greetings from Austria
No, I have the SL and SL2 and use very few L lenses and mostly M lenses on them. The 50mm Summilux and 35 Summilux is probably the best allround lenses for M.
That beosound level making a cameo
Yes, it's nice. Wood and five speaker units in it.
Nice & Thanks :)
Now you can buy a Q3 43 and get a lens which is optically superior to the 35 apo-M, which is $1500 less, and Leica generously throw in a free camera!
I was never impressed with the 90mm app at all, aside from the size, it’s pretty soft at 2.0, at least the two copies I had
You would need over £3.000 to as much as £6.000 to buy one of these LEICA 35MM lenses
Peanuts!
🤣
Carl Zeiss is my spendy limit. 🤣
When a guy says "i'm a 50mm person" girls leave the room. ;)
your knowledge on leicas are far beyond your knowledge on photography
"I was like ... its a big lens. *smack lips* Also a fantastic lens ... (thick euro-accent speaks) *smacks lips* ... M .. its inexpensive, because I'm wealthy stupid rich"
smacky lips. have some water bruv.
Looks like a great lens but never been a 35mm kind of guy. For me it's 28mm, 50mm and 80mm for travel @xftales