We had one of our regular customers crank up the injector pump on his 1086. He also added duals and fluid in the tires. By the time he was done with spring planting, he had destroyed the drivetrain. New clutch, rebuild TA, rebuild transmission, and rebuild the rear end. As various bearings failed, the shrapnel took out the rest of the bearings. If he hadn’t put on duals and fluid in all the tires, he might have got away with it. The drivetrain was never designed for that much power.
The one exception I know to that was the John Deere 5020. People repowered them with big Detroit's that would bald the rear tires and never hurt the clutch or tranny. Way over built for the factory 130 hp.
I'm telling you, you better know what your doing before you do this man. And don't do as much as he did at once. I'm telling you man I work at a tractor dealership and we work on all kinds and colors. We sale massey and new holland. You can plum ruin an engine quick, fast, and in a damn hurry I'm telling you. Not all tractors will take this man. People think you can just turn any engines fuel up and ahhh it'll be fine wrong. If the engine don't get destroyed your drive train will.
Years ago, I had a retired JD mechanic turn up the fuel on my then new 5320. He called up a few days after I dropped it off and said I’ve got good news and what you may think is bad. Good news is your tractor ready to go. Bad news is I could only get 81 hp because the pump just won’t deliver more fuel. Stock was 56 hp. I said that’s plenty for me! He went on to say, I’ve got guys coming in here expecting outrageous increases and if the pump will deliver the fuel, I can crank them up. Your engine can make way over 100 hp….HOWEVER, what happens is the radiator cannot handle the extra heat and you’ll smoke the clutch because it was never designed to handle that much hp. At 81 hp, you’ll never have any issues. And he was right. He also showed me how to adjust the screw on the pump to ‘retune’ if I didn’t need that extra power. Absolutely worked great. When you crank up stock systems way beyond their design imitations, you’re just inviting grief.
I'd never thought about turning up a 3 cylinder 5000 series. What've you mostly used it on? In the late 90s I put a lot of hours on a 2wd 5400 with that motor set at around 62, and I just wished it was heavier. The owner had a 7ft bushhog on it, and the tail would wag the dog with the 3 point raised up......even with a full rack of weights up front.
@@tuckercole1531 then how does an egr make a diesel cooler by giving less oksygen? I think im right but in extreme cases like this it would run hotter yes
I worked for WFE (White Farm Equipment) in the '80's. We also worked on Oliver, MM as well. The Perkins 6 354 was used in 105, 155 and 210 Whites as well 1650-2255 Oliver units, the difference was turbo, injectors, injector pump and most importantly button clutch verses standard clutch plate.
There are so many horsepower hours in any machine. You can take them out in a long period of time as they were designed, or push them and use them up faster.
Half a turn is a good compromise of a moderate gain without wasting a ridiculous amount of fuel. If anybody thinks this thing would compete with a 200hp tractor in the field, they are in for a rude awakening.
Spent 9 years working for an IH dealership in the 80's. If you turn that tractor up, then weight the rear end, hook it to a big wide implement it has to pull at 3-4 MPH, and do that for any period of time, it will fail. If everything you do with it is 7-8 MPH and higher, that will help but, if the tractor will pull whatever it is hooked to at that speed, you probably didn't need to turn it up and you are just wasting fuel.
The only time it will hurt anything in the engine is if you twist it as hard as it will go and over heat it, or lug more weight than the rear end or transmission can stand. If you operate it like a hot rod then it will have the lifespan of a hot rod. You can add 90hp easy an it won't phase them if you operate them with a little common sense.
You can do all this, but the bottom line is everything behind that engine isnt going to handle 200hp, and once you cross 160-180 duals wont hold the tractor down, it will just spin under load
You should make a how to video on rebuilding the t/a and the pto clutch on these things because you know some kid is gonna ignore your warnings lol. I was young and dumb too once. Considering that everything i have isn't at the factory settings maybe I'm not that smart now yet😅
We have a 1086 , I used to bale hay with a 3x3 ft big baler , one time caught up a log truck going up a hill - driver kept looking in his mirror at this tractor catching him lol . Always thought she’d handle more fuel , makes no smoke even when fully loaded . Good tractor but drivetrain wouldn’t like too much Hp I’d suspect .
I’m getting fuel in the oil on a 1566 where would you start? It’s not a huge leak but it’s going in crank case … probably through a oring in pump I assume?
That tranny and rearend will hold 200 hp easily with a heavy duty torque,we had 5 b1066's at one time coontuned like that and never replaced a final or transmission.
@@richieh6840wrong lol, the pistons would melt from the extra fuel causing massive amounts of heat build up. It’s not a gasser, if you managed to make more boost and clean up all that fuel then you would run less risk of high egts melting the pistons
@@JoshHawkins-o8vyou probably won't get that sort of response from a pump adjustment on your 784, or at least I would be surprised if you did. It's a naturally aspirated engine. You'll add more fuel and it will smoke more, but it won't be getting more air, therefore it's not going to make more power. Turbo engines are really the only ones you can get crazy gains from
@zacharyantoneshyn9295 interesting thanks for the insight. I was pulling a 7 shank chisel plow today and its all it will do. Just a little more would be so very helpful. Even 10-15 would be noticeable I'm sure.
@@JoshHawkins-o8v yep I hear you. Now, I could be completely wrong about what I said, you might see some decent gains. I've never tried turning up specifically one of those tractors. My comment was made entirely based on theory and previous experiences with other NA diesels. Good luck!
@zacharyantoneshyn9295 yes sir! I've looked online but can't find anything, can you tell me how to adjust a Bosch pump like mine? Won't hurt to try and then turn it back if no difference. Currently zero smoke even when pulling hard enough to drop rpms way down
Sounds like fun for a pull tractor that only does 10hrs of " work" a year. Think I'd be a bit more conservative if it was my paddock tractor that did 10+hours a day
As long as you don’t do field work like it is a 300 hp tractor, that extra boost with the same implements will get through a tough spot, but not destroy it.
Jesse, you have a pile of IH super mechanics in these comments! Or should I say Keyboard super mechanics! Hope things are all well over the river for you. 👍
People, don't just go out and do this. This ain't just something a back yard guy ought to do. I promise you you'll cook your engine if you're not careful and screw your drive train up too. Not all tractors can take that. Just be careful
I didn't see the EGT (EXHAUST GAS TEMPERATURE) being checked. Yep, turn up the horsepower, burn the valves, melt pistons, destroy the TA, trannie, rear end. For what???
I was hoping Jesse would explain that some. Another retired Jesse up my way explained that years ago. What I remember is you gain torque until you go a little bit too far then it has no torque. One of our 1586 always out ran any other 66/86 we have had in the last 25 years
I’ve always adjusted the fuel and the governor arm/torque finger(think thats what its called) and can get them to run way up there. Never messed with the delivery valve. Played with the droop screw but it never seemed to do as much as the torque finger. Good video otherwise!
I know nothing about Diesel engines. But what i do know about a Gasoline engine. Would make alot of the comments and the results of just adding fuel incorrect. Also, The fella said, for those of you that want to turn it up for pulling. Then back down for working. How many comments does that cancel out?
The motor will handle the extra fuel, everything the motor turns won’t! been there done that! If all your looking to do is drive around in parades and blow black smoke your ok but if your looking To pull bigger heavier implements your asking for trouble to each his own
Yup, turning down the lifespan is a _great_ idea. Imagine having a tractor that lasts only 300 hours that is known to be able to do 30,000! Unless you can pull the implement on foot, don't do this to your tractor.
Lesson one, never show farmers how to adjust the injector pump 😂 it will reduce the life of a tractor if you’re working it hard, drivetrain more so than engine, but saying that, 50 years ago when tractors like that were new people weren’t that concerned about 5-10 years down the line because they’d replace it before anything major gave up, or they didn’t care because sometimes wearing out a fueled up smaller tractor was cheaper than buying the bigger one
It works until it goes up in white smoke,then what do you have.This is nothing new,but there's a stress problem,it's not built to handle the extra load ,good luck,,have a little money set aside for a new engine
It’s comical seeing American farmers lose their minds over extra fuel. When I started we had a Naturally aspirated tractor swapped manifolds and made it turbo, added fuel and got 195% of what it had originally I ran that tractor myself for 18k hours before it was sold never slipped or skipped a beat still miss it. Extra fuel issues is more to do with the driver than the tractor being unreliable
First Gen Cummings you could turn them up as well. I've a few ppl turn them up after telling them don't turn that screw more that 2 turns But but I've heard you can turn it up to 4 alright I would say but have a board ready What do I need a board for so you can shut it off before it blows up You're crazy and don't know what you're talking about alright I would say I watched 2 run away on fools that wouldn't listen that is a chance you take by doing shit like this listen or don't but at the very least have a way to cut the air off just in case
Most do not realize that horsepower does not always equate to torque. Torque is what farm tractors were built around. Horsepower without torque is as useless as tits on a boar hog.
We had one of our regular customers crank up the injector pump on his 1086. He also added duals and fluid in the tires. By the time he was done with spring planting, he had destroyed the drivetrain. New clutch, rebuild TA, rebuild transmission, and rebuild the rear end. As various bearings failed, the shrapnel took out the rest of the bearings. If he hadn’t put on duals and fluid in all the tires, he might have got away with it. The drivetrain was never designed for that much power.
That's what I was going to say is .. 270 HP will tear the whole drive train out.
The one exception I know to that was the John Deere 5020. People repowered them with big Detroit's that would bald the rear tires and never hurt the clutch or tranny. Way over built for the factory 130 hp.
1086 drivetrain couldn’t even handle the stock power, let alone turned up.
@@hordboy I know IH Drive Trains may be rather light but there are some really stout Super Stock IH Tractors out there. How do they beef them up ?
I have a 986 that came from the factory at 185 hp. It has a 1586 clutch in it. Been running since 1982 with this set up.
We had a 966 turning 140 🐎 power all day long for 20 years.
A great tractor.
Uncle had an 806 that had the pump turned up….for years! Pulled 6-16’s and would roll the black smoke!😂
Did you have a turbo on it? Or just turned it up.
@leviwells8596 just turned up.
@ didn’t run hot?
@ didn’t run hot?
Keep ‘em coming! Enjoying the video…who would have known extra power was that easily available.
I'm telling you, you better know what your doing before you do this man. And don't do as much as he did at once. I'm telling you man I work at a tractor dealership and we work on all kinds and colors. We sale massey and new holland. You can plum ruin an engine quick, fast, and in a damn hurry I'm telling you. Not all tractors will take this man. People think you can just turn any engines fuel up and ahhh it'll be fine wrong. If the engine don't get destroyed your drive train will.
Years ago, I had a retired JD mechanic turn up the fuel on my then new 5320. He called up a few days after I dropped it off and said I’ve got good news and what you may think is bad. Good news is your tractor ready to go. Bad news is I could only get 81 hp because the pump just won’t deliver more fuel. Stock was 56 hp. I said that’s plenty for me! He went on to say, I’ve got guys coming in here expecting outrageous increases and if the pump will deliver the fuel, I can crank them up. Your engine can make way over 100 hp….HOWEVER, what happens is the radiator cannot handle the extra heat and you’ll smoke the clutch because it was never designed to handle that much hp. At 81 hp, you’ll never have any issues. And he was right. He also showed me how to adjust the screw on the pump to ‘retune’ if I didn’t need that extra power. Absolutely worked great. When you crank up stock systems way beyond their design imitations, you’re just inviting grief.
I'd never thought about turning up a 3 cylinder 5000 series. What've you mostly used it on? In the late 90s I put a lot of hours on a 2wd 5400 with that motor set at around 62, and I just wished it was heavier. The owner had a 7ft bushhog on it, and the tail would wag the dog with the 3 point raised up......even with a full rack of weights up front.
I like how your comment included a story and also mentioned the ramifications that also happen when exceeding factory designs.
You can turn it up but you have to add a pyrometer to moniter the exhaust gas temperature so the pistons don't melt.
its richer not leaner.
@chopchop9382 what is your point?
@@donaldmiller2654 its gonna be fine
@@chopchop9382richer is hotter with a diesel
@@tuckercole1531 then how does an egr make a diesel cooler by giving less oksygen? I think im right but in extreme cases like this it would run hotter yes
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That'll be my new go-to phrase anytime i see something sketchy😆
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I worked for WFE (White Farm Equipment) in the '80's. We also worked on Oliver, MM as well. The Perkins 6 354 was used in 105, 155 and 210 Whites as well 1650-2255 Oliver units, the difference was turbo, injectors, injector pump and most importantly button clutch verses standard clutch plate.
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Holy smokes we have had our stock 1066 for over 40 years , I never knew this could double the HP thats incredible !
If you leave it alone you will have it for another 40 years.
@@Failure_Is_An_Option whats the fun in that
with a whole lot of cheap parts and some nitrous I can drag-race in my frontier... it won't live more than about 15 miles tho
@@hsbbeicysbve Stupidity
I was just gonna comment that the reason it lasted 40 years is because it wasn't turned up.
There goes the rear end and transmission. Turn up 10 percent max unless you want everything to blow up.
There are so many horsepower hours in any machine. You can take them out in a long period of time as they were designed, or push them and use them up faster.
Like drinking alcohol, works the same kinda.
Engines only have so many cycles. Turn it up and you shorten the lifespan.
Half a turn is a good compromise of a moderate gain without wasting a ridiculous amount of fuel. If anybody thinks this thing would compete with a 200hp tractor in the field, they are in for a rude awakening.
Spent 9 years working for an IH dealership in the 80's. If you turn that tractor up, then weight the rear end, hook it to a big wide implement it has to pull at 3-4 MPH, and do that for any period of time, it will fail. If everything you do with it is 7-8 MPH and higher, that will help but, if the tractor will pull whatever it is hooked to at that speed, you probably didn't need to turn it up and you are just wasting fuel.
What about doing this to say a 1480 combine?
The only time it will hurt anything in the engine is if you twist it as hard as it will go and over heat it, or lug more weight than the rear end or transmission can stand. If you operate it like a hot rod then it will have the lifespan of a hot rod. You can add 90hp easy an it won't phase them if you operate them with a little common sense.
The engine will handle the increase in power, but the drivetrain won’t.
Turn up the injection pump, better add exhaust temp gauge
@berniepfitzner487 definitely recommend!! Make a machine out of it. I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't turned up already
Hell I wish I knew those tricks when we ran our 1066 !! It needed a few more G G’s !!
Nice video!!!! keep em coming
Great Vid!!! look forward to more!
You can do all this, but the bottom line is everything behind that engine isnt going to handle 200hp, and once you cross 160-180 duals wont hold the tractor down, it will just spin under load
Not if you're using the power to increase ground speed.
@@jimlong2469 so you can pull a disk at 12 mph? Rather dumb really
You will be lucky if the rear tires spin. Locked to the ground will destroy the. Driveline.
@@robertheinkel6225with that ole international the driveline will definitely get cooked. Seen it more than once
I think me means ground speed sled pulling before the weight box heat the sled
Its for sure driveline destruction happened to a lot of 14's back then. Loaded 20.8's , weights and hook to train of tillage.
You should make a how to video on rebuilding the t/a and the pto clutch on these things because you know some kid is gonna ignore your warnings lol. I was young and dumb too once. Considering that everything i have isn't at the factory settings maybe I'm not that smart now yet😅
I think they're safe. Most of them are used for auger tractors these days .
We have a 1086 , I used to bale hay with a 3x3 ft big baler , one time caught up a log truck going up a hill - driver kept looking in his mirror at this tractor catching him lol . Always thought she’d handle more fuel , makes no smoke even when fully loaded . Good tractor but drivetrain wouldn’t like too much Hp I’d suspect .
You didn't mention advancing the timing. You're giving it more fuel. Wouldn't you have to start delivering it sooner?
SO TRUE 👍
I’m getting fuel in the oil on a 1566 where would you start? It’s not a huge leak but it’s going in crank case … probably through a oring in pump I assume?
Factory timing on the pump or slightly ahead?
Now you can use that old 9 bottom plow that's been sitting in the weeds 😂
Very, very good video! Thank you!
Smart man nice video
Do you know if this can be done to a 4 cylinder Roosa Master pump?
That tranny and rearend will hold 200 hp easily with a heavy duty torque,we had 5 b1066's at one time coontuned like that and never replaced a final or transmission.
Good video
YEA AN MELT THE PISTONS!
You can’t melt pistons from extra fuel, that comes from running lean, if he turned up the boost pressure you’d have a point
@@richieh6840wrong lol, the pistons would melt from the extra fuel causing massive amounts of heat build up. It’s not a gasser, if you managed to make more boost and clean up all that fuel then you would run less risk of high egts melting the pistons
How many turns would u recommend for a working 966/986
Not more than 1 turn due to a lighter engine clutch and not having a turbo
Very informative video but you should include how these modifications can destroy the motor in a very brief time even for just one pull.
Not so much the engine. More so the clutch.
Great information. Any insight on the 84 series? I have a 784 that would love to get 20 to 30 more hp
It's a Bosch pump
@@JoshHawkins-o8vyou probably won't get that sort of response from a pump adjustment on your 784, or at least I would be surprised if you did. It's a naturally aspirated engine. You'll add more fuel and it will smoke more, but it won't be getting more air, therefore it's not going to make more power. Turbo engines are really the only ones you can get crazy gains from
@zacharyantoneshyn9295 interesting thanks for the insight. I was pulling a 7 shank chisel plow today and its all it will do. Just a little more would be so very helpful. Even 10-15 would be noticeable I'm sure.
@@JoshHawkins-o8v yep I hear you. Now, I could be completely wrong about what I said, you might see some decent gains. I've never tried turning up specifically one of those tractors. My comment was made entirely based on theory and previous experiences with other NA diesels. Good luck!
@zacharyantoneshyn9295 yes sir! I've looked online but can't find anything, can you tell me how to adjust a Bosch pump like mine? Won't hurt to try and then turn it back if no difference. Currently zero smoke even when pulling hard enough to drop rpms way down
Sounds like fun for a pull tractor that only does 10hrs of " work" a year. Think I'd be a bit more conservative if it was my paddock tractor that did 10+hours a day
As long as you don’t do field work like it is a 300 hp tractor, that extra boost with the same implements will get through a tough spot, but not destroy it.
It’s about time u did a video jessie
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Sounds like it might be a good idea if you need to power something stationary for a short time.
You can turn the fuel delivery up on any older tractor. Once you wreck something, then you'll wish you didn't
These tractors were the dealerships bread and butter. Rearend PTO and TA were always being replaced. Coke can on wheels.
You could probably also straight pipe it to have the least exhaust restriction
The guy that works on my brothers tractors said for constant use you're good to about 170
My dad added 15hp to our 1468 and it lasted 2 years
Jesse, you have a pile of IH super mechanics in these comments! Or should I say Keyboard super mechanics! Hope things are all well over the river for you. 👍
@@alexanderyale5061 facts are hard too deny!
Would like to see one on a roosa master pump next
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They are pretty easy but more involved or harder to get at than these usually
Is it the same for the dv 550 engine in the 1466.
1468, slightly different pump but possible.
People, don't just go out and do this. This ain't just something a back yard guy ought to do. I promise you you'll cook your engine if you're not careful and screw your drive train up too. Not all tractors can take that. Just be careful
new youtuber , give us more technical details infos about the 66 series !
negative comments are from those that don't listen, he stated going back to the field turn it back down.
Question. IH was a giant company, much larger than Case. How or why did Case buy IH???
Because IH built junk and screwed the public until they had no consumers left.
Technically the company Tenneco bought Case then bought IH and then merged them to form Case IH
I didn't see the EGT (EXHAUST GAS TEMPERATURE) being checked. Yep, turn up the horsepower, burn the valves, melt pistons, destroy the TA, trannie, rear end. For what???
Turn the droop screw under that for real fun
I was hoping Jesse would explain that some. Another retired Jesse up my way explained that years ago. What I remember is you gain torque until you go a little bit too far then it has no torque. One of our 1586 always out ran any other 66/86 we have had in the last 25 years
I’ve always adjusted the fuel and the governor arm/torque finger(think thats what its called) and can get them to run way up there. Never messed with the delivery valve. Played with the droop screw but it never seemed to do as much as the torque finger.
Good video otherwise!
The engine in a 1066 is a 414 cu. in. not 466.
International repair man....." Hey somebody's had the back off this "
Tractor data says neither 1066 or 1466 have a 466 engine?
Different from what poster says
1066-414 ci
1466-.436 ci
1566-436 ci
I know nothing about Diesel engines. But what i do know about a Gasoline engine. Would make alot of the comments and the results of just adding fuel incorrect. Also, The fella said, for those of you that want to turn it up for pulling. Then back down for working. How many comments does that cancel out?
If you’re not breaking parts, it’s because you’re putting out enough power.
turn up the fuel, wash the oil off of the cylinder walls. great. when you get more blow-by than exhaust, you know you won.
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This is no secret.
Shouldn’t go up more than 30%on any stock driveline, you’ll twist the input shaft like a twizzler over a short time or worse.
Now find an 11mm Ambac head, and bump the timing up a bit!
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A bit of extra HP is nice in a pinch . Push it hard all day . Wont live long .
The transmissions in these tractors can't handle that much increase in HP. The transmissions are a weak spot to begin with.
The motor will handle the extra fuel, everything the motor turns won’t! been there done that! If all your looking to do is drive around in parades and blow black smoke your ok but if your looking
To pull bigger heavier implements your asking for trouble to each his own
Yup, turning down the lifespan is a _great_ idea. Imagine having a tractor that lasts only 300 hours that is known to be able to do 30,000! Unless you can pull the implement on foot, don't do this to your tractor.
@@prjndigo show me a 1066 with 30,000 hrs...
@@alexanderyale5061 I have one with 27, 436hrs
My 65' 806 has 60000 plus bours. Any tractor can get past 60k if its taken care of
Amazing 👍 fantastic maintenance obviously well done for looking after it
Turning the fuel up on a non turbo tractor will increase the heat, watch your temps
Lesson one, never show farmers how to adjust the injector pump 😂 it will reduce the life of a tractor if you’re working it hard, drivetrain more so than engine, but saying that, 50 years ago when tractors like that were new people weren’t that concerned about 5-10 years down the line because they’d replace it before anything major gave up, or they didn’t care because sometimes wearing out a fueled up smaller tractor was cheaper than buying the bigger one
Doubleing hp seems bad idea for the rest of drive line
It works until it goes up in white smoke,then what do you have.This is nothing new,but there's a stress problem,it's not built to handle the extra load ,good luck,,have a little money set aside for a new engine
The engine will put out, but the clutch and TA sure won’t
It’s comical seeing American farmers lose their minds over extra fuel. When I started we had a Naturally aspirated tractor swapped manifolds and made it turbo, added fuel and got 195% of what it had originally
I ran that tractor myself for 18k hours before it was sold never slipped or skipped a beat still miss it. Extra fuel issues is more to do with the driver than the tractor being unreliable
Makes it a different tractor!!! Put a pyrometer on it
First Gen Cummings you could turn them up as well. I've a few ppl turn them up after telling them don't turn that screw more that 2 turns
But but I've heard you can turn it up to 4 alright I would say but have a board ready
What do I need a board for so you can shut it off before it blows up
You're crazy and don't know what you're talking about alright I would say
I watched 2 run away on fools that wouldn't listen that is a chance you take by doing shit like this listen or don't but at the very least have a way to cut the air off just in case
Turning engines higher than designed is going to fail and cost lots of money
today learn how to blow up a engine the engineers made it to last your making it to last a week
There is no 88 series. There was the 30 and 50 series.
over fueling an engine is against the law
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Now the real question is how fast will it go on the highway with the highest gear😂
Most do not realize that horsepower does not always equate to torque. Torque is what farm tractors were built around. Horsepower without torque is as useless as tits on a boar hog.
And a nitros kit😂