I’ve been a diesel tech for decades. While the V8’s aren’t the worst engines ever, an in-line 6 is by far the better choice for torque, stronger construction design, and can operate with much longer life.
@@TheDieselDiaryIn the pickups, yes, especially the 4 valve per cylinder. They have much greater power and smoother than a straight 6. The torque is hard to match down low against a 6. The E9 Mack is quite the Hoss as well, it's just nobody wants to run them.
@@HPDrifter2 Commer Knocker engines in the UK sounds really close to a Detroit at higher than idle rpms, both being 2 stroke scavenged diesels (although the Commer is an opposed cylinder engine). The Junkers JuMo 205 also sounds close to a Detroit. Like the Commer It's also a scavenged 2 stroke opposed-piston. Alas I wasn't able to find the video of a revving JuMo on the net, but one video exists of a JuMo running idle and sounding like a Detroit.
Unfortunately they're generally considered a fragile, lower hour motor, lots of racket, lots of smoke, lots of oil slobber. Some folks might like the sound but, not worth the grief.😮
If I may comment on the John Deere 8850 - its V8 engine was mounted directly to the Front Bogie Frame, which twisted slightly in operation. That caused issues with the overall rigidity of the block and head, so not really the fault of the engine itself, per se. John Kinzebaum's solution was to lengthen the Front Bogie Side Rails and install a 6 cylinder Cummins (NOT a V8 as stated in the video), engine, which itself was mounted on a seperate sub frame. The sub frame was attached to the chassis side rails, and gave a much more rigid set up, since the sub frame itself absorbed pretty much all of the twisting forces generated by the tractor when in operation. The chassis rails were lengthened to accommodate the fact that an inline 6 engine of similar capacity, is longer than a V8 set up.
There was a single cradle that held all of the lower main bearings that was severely tweaked by oscillations of the front axle which led to engine failure. Kinze came up with the Sub frame idea to make clutch replacement quicker. Even the straight 6 Deere tractors he repowered get the Subframe simply for that reason. He was repowering 84/8630/40/50 series before the 8850 problem.
The 8450, 8650 had the same issue even with an in 6. If you went through a low spot at an angle the axle stop would bottom out and put stress on the block by twisting it.
what is also a big deal on the bigger inlines is the amount of twist that the crankshaft is forced to endure. V8 crankshaft is MUCH shorter, and flexes (torsionally) a lot less. On top fuel engines, for example, there can be up to a 15 degree difference between the front and rear cylinders' ignition timing due to crankshaft twisting. Imagine how much a big inline 6 would twist at those cylinder pressures. The main reason I-6's are popular in "trucking" is cost. There is one cylinder head, 24 valves instead of 32, 12 lifters instead of 16, and then maintenance-you can do an in-frame overhaul on most of them in a lot less time than a V8 would need. If the I-6 were "that" good, larger boat engines would all be I-6, but they're not-there are many V24, V16, etc. There is also a bunch of I6's but they were really smaller power unit engines and not propulsion engines for the most part of bigger ships and such.
The depends on the Width and Diameter of the bearing. I have two 903 Cubic Inch Cummins V-8's with a Turbo. they are rated at 350 HP at 2,600 RPM's Low Rpm's should get better fuel economy .. If you want to make more power and torque at lower RPM's you need more boost. Then you need an Intercooler or after cooler.. Which the 903 Cummins does not have.
My original reply was cut short by events out of my control. Because of the structure of a V8 you will not have more than 5 main bearings. There is no place to put more. There is nothing special about 7 in an I6 other than it will cost more to produce bearings and caps for the main. For farming all that matters is 1. Can it produce the advertised power ratings and 2. Ease of repairs and maintenance. 3. Can it farm what I need it to farm.
When I was a kid, a neighbor is known to have a Massey Harris 44 modified pulling tractor with a pair of Chevy car 427 engines on it. It was a tractor to beat in it's day. His farm tractors were Massey Ferguson Perkins V8 tractors with straight exhaust! They would howl all day when the fields were turned over. He had the latter 18 series and a 28 series 2WD, and a Perkins powered articulated 4WD. Wayne was of the few that didn't run Steiger or John Deere were I grew up.
Very interesting Video! Over here in Germany, Bavarian tractor manufacturer Schlüter used to install Inline 8 Engines with 9,5 or 9,8 Liters displacement their 200 hp 4wd Models. As far as I know these were the only tractors with an inline 8 ever made. About 400 units were manufactured. To this day Schlüter has a very strong fan base and even though they seized production in the 90s many of their tractors are still around.
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Gardner straight 8s had very few problems .They made huge ones at the time for industry ,ships and smaller ones for Lorries and boats.
No matter the engine, you can only put so much torque to the ground through two wheels before they just start slipping. Duals also have thier limits. This is why Versatile and Steiger went to articulated tractors for thier high powered lines.
The Hungarian Dutra tractors were also 4WD but not articulated. Conventional steering with 4 equally sized wheels. A beast to turn, but with good traction.
We farmed with Massey and Oliver tractors when I was kid. Our MF 1500 4WD had the v-8 Cat 3150. Made lots of noise and would pull if you kept it wound up. Constantly adjusting the depth of the disk especially on hilly ground. Our Oliver 2255 was my favorite. It was cat 3208 powered. We were told by the dealer not to lug that engine. IMO what made this tractor so great was its compact center of gravity and 3 speed over under hydraul shift. You could shift on the go to help keep the rpm’s up. Neither were fuel guzzlers. That winner was our Oliver G-1355. That 585 Moline straight 6 was very thirsty! Lot’s of low end grunt with that big inline six. Never ran a Detroit but would imagine those 2 strokers were torque monsters. Thanks for the video, brought back some great memories!
@@TheDieselDiary my dad and grandpa each had an oliver 2255 with the cat 3150 engines. They loved them, but had to be careful cause the cat engine could tear the rear end right out of the tractor. Oliver apparently wasnt making their gears strong enough to handle the cat engine, so it was "de-horsed" as he'd tell me. When the whites came out, they sold out of farming alltogether. Was amazing to me was, they loved, and farmed with olivers, and both were international harvester employees
My nephew and I put a 83 bus 9L international v8 into a mid 70s 1468. Taking the junk dv550 out and putting a more modern 9L in made a big difference. A friend recently the injector lines and put the old ag governor from dv pump on the bus pump. It's turned up a bit and still doesn't smoke. There are a few things to worry about. The biggest was a cast boss on the 9L block needs ground off to mount the old dv water and cam injector pump drive.
My son and I went to tour Jon Kinzenbaw’s collection 2 years ago. He gave a great tour and still has quite a few of his V8 conversions. Great job explaining this subject. We farm with some John Deere muscle tractors in western New York. 4020, 4320, 5020, 6030 7520 and a number of newer tractors. Someday we’ll have a V8!
German Schlueter 5000 twin turbo V12 was bonkers too. When German engineers get gifted schnapps baskets from the German farmers and the supervisors went missing.
The 1468/1568 used the DV550 from Motortruck or Payline use - originally the pumps were set to hit on 4 cylinders until the load came on - ostensibly for fuel economy. Most owners took their pumps to a shop to convert them to hit on all 8 all the time. Nice sound with twin turbos but fuel economy was less than a DT436 as in the 1466/1566.
We had a 1468 as a loaner when our tractor broke down, until it broke down. Supposed to be decent once the cylinder cutoff feature was removed, but given how strong a DT466 was, there was no point in a V8.
Please correct me. I was told the injection pump that hit on 4 cylinders at idle then 8 on demand might have been built by Holly. I saw one at an injection shop in the early '80s. Holly had no history of building farm rated diesel injection pumps. No history for any other applications either. So the farmers hated the "engine." But when the pump was replaced by a Bosch A series (I think) it was a descent engine. The Holly pump looked puny. It did not look like it was up to the task of farm life.
This is interesting Larry, I have a parts book for the 1468 that has Holly documentation on the pump, but my engines the pumps on my enginess and the spares are not branded as such. I need to dig further on this.
@@TheDieselDiary You might get in touch with Area Diesel Service in Carlinville, Illinois. Talk to Val Leefers, the owner. He built the shop in about 1973. He might have lots to say. I did not see the Holly pump in his shop. That was a small shop in Biggsville, Illinois. Val would be a wealth of historical knowledge. At one time, he was known as Mr. R-D. An International injection pump from the very early days. The Holly was short. Only 6 inches tall. It looked like it was a long as a yardstick. Engine adapter, 8 barrels and a funky governor and you get a weird, pencil injection pump. Have fun with your search! I look forward to your results.
@@TheDieselDiaryThey were sold in North America as a Belarus, and they were painted orange. Theres a playlist on TH-cam of a guy in Canada with one, very cool to see one here.
Yes the Massey 1150 was the first V8 powered tractor. The 1130 mentioned in the video was a one of a kind demo model (prototype) the MF 1150 had the perkins AV8.510, the 1155 and 2745 had the AV8.540. 2775 had the AV8.640. 2805 had the ATV8.640 (with only of course one turbo not dual turbo as mentioned in the video) these mentioned tractors were the only ones produced with masseys own engines (Perkins wich they owned) the 1500/1800 had the 3160 caterpillar V8, 1505/1805 had the 3208 caterpillar V8. Then massey lauced the 4000 series with the Cummins 903 V8 wich were the biggest and last V8 powered tractors from Massey.
@@scottjohnson4396 We use a 1155 on our farm with very steep hilly fields with a 11 meter, 108 tooth harrow. We have never had a tractor with such pulling power, it pulls the harrow in high gear also.. we also have a 1135 that we use, but not as much pulling power as the 1155 even though many people says it pulls better.
Sh*t you are right, I didn’t realise I said twin turbo! I was going to talk about the M&W turbo kits for the Dv and had twin turbo in my head! The 1150 was a great tractor, Agco pushed on with the V8. Not many out here, but I had a beautiful platform 1155 I regret selling. Had a couple of the later ones but they don’t interest me much!
So the 1130 was a prototype. My parents farm was a half mile from the. Massey Ferguson test facility near Tecumseh Michigan. Massey would loan out to farmers to accumulate hours. I got to put a few hours on the 1130 disking cornstalks.
Worked for a big dairy farmer early 80"s he had a 1980 4786 IH with the DVT-800 v8 diesel , It had major issues with dropping the valves at random times very unreliable engine , It finally blew up while plowing the owner put the cummins re-fit in and no further problems !
I spent a summer (1981) operating a 2255 Oliver with MFWD. It had the 3208 Cat. I absolutely loved the performance of that tractor. Probably impractical today but at the time, it ran with anything in the 150 hp class. Great content. Thank you.
The White / Oliver / Minneapolis Moline is still a practical Tractor as the 3208 Caterpillar is very easy on fuel. I ran one in my lime spreader 6 wheel drive truck for 12,000 hours .. It developed a knock and I upgraded to a Jasper rebuilt with hard cast iron sleeves and 2 ring pistons over the 1 ring Pistons in my 3208 Cat 250 Horsepower Turbo engine. 640 ft pounds of torque at 14000 RPM's and the 210 Horsepower naturally aspirated versions made 500 # of torque. You don't want to lug the engines.. they last longer if you keep them revved up .
@@ITrustInDog thank you so much. This comment made my day! I also dislike AI, I try to be credible and accountable and you can’t do that being faceless. I like to research things and make these videos out of my learnings. There are so many fascinating stories out there to cover!
shout out to this champ who actually took time from his day for 942 people to come watch it thank all of you for showing this guy some love I wish for you the best man. my favorite v8 is the cat diesel v8 semi engine, my least favorite is probably Detroit diesel v8. and honestly, I know that v8's or most of em aren't very fuel efficient but you can pump a lot of power out of them.
Oliver went with the higher RPM lower Torque Naturally Aspirated 3208 Caterpillar because they needed a more powerful tractor yet their three range powershift Transmission could not handle the Torque of a Lower RPM Big Torque 6 Cylinder engine. They could put more Horsepower into the light drive train with a higher rpm lower torque engine and still get that 175 Horse Power that they wanted. I would assume that the 3208 Cat Progressed to the 4 wheel drive White/Oliver Tractors because they were already using it .
The first 2255 had a 3150 cat rated at 135 hp the later 2255 with the 3208 cat was rated at 145 hp have heard the could be turned to 215,mine was turned to 160 hp on the dino...loved my 2255
@@terrygugel3803 That rating is drawbar or PTO Horsepower I was going by Gross Horse Power.. After 20,000 hours my radiator is worn too thin to cool my 3208 Cat anymore.. I need to put a bigger radiator in it .. I do run water Injection.. The Jasper engine dynode 265 HP The engines used in the Tractors were at least 175 Gross Horsepower
Least favorite V8 - the juice. Most favorite V8 - Cadillac 429. Had one in a 67 Fleetwood. Had more fun with that car than any other. Engine was built by a shop that mostly did racing motors. It took months to get it in for an estimate, then a few more to get a slot for a build.
1984-1990 I worked for WFE, prior to AGCO as such I worked on White, Oliver, Cockshut, MM and old Silver Kings. Perkins, Waukesha and Cummins were the I6 engines. The Oliver 2155 and White 4-210 both had CAT 3208 (C7) V8 options although I can only remember servicing a couple. Nice video, have a happy new year.
IMT from Yugoslavia used Mercedes Benz V engines for tractors above 150hp. A unique tractor case is a V6 Mercedes Benz OM 401 173 hp engine in an IMT 5170 and OM441 210hp V6 in a 5210 model. They had the potential to be decent high power tractors, but models had some design flaws, like weak differential. Since they were made in few numbers, they are hard to maintain.
I worked on a dairy farm that bought a John Deere (can't remember the model) that was repowered with a Cat V8. I'd say a 3208 except I don't think it was out yet. It was to replace a JD 4020 that didn't have enough power to pull a 5 bottom plow in some of the heavy black soil they had. I remember my young boss bragging about what a hot deal he got at an auction when he bought it. It didn't last a month and the flywheel came unbolted and the tractor had to be split. It turned out to be a real lemmon.
I worked in a case IH shop in the 1990s, and saw many different v8 tractors here in the south. The international, Massey, and even the White. We worked on all of them were always interesting.
@@TheDieselDiary Wagner was one of the first to make big 4WDs, because of them we have Steiger and big bud too. You Can’t really appreciate how big they are until you standing next to the tires and your still looking at rubber
@@loganbeedy5950 I have a photo of me standing on 747. That thing is a tank. I am working on a big-bud video, I didnt realise about the wagner big-bud connection until I did my earlier video!
Deutz 16006 V8 articulated tractor developed of a wheelloader prototype. Deutz as a supplier of engines for construction equipment manufacturers stopped producing its own construction machinery around the end of the 1960s in order not to scare away its engine buyers. So Deutz built a tractor from the “remains” of the wheel loader. However, fewer than 100 tractors were built between 1969 and 1975. And as far I know it's the only non prototype V8 tractor build in Germany.
I have a Massey Ferguson 1155 and I think it was one of the better V8 tractors. The engine was a good blend of power and torque that you don't miss an inline engine in that machine. I wish the rest the drivetrain was heavier because with a turbo and more power that engine would really feel like something. The 2000 series Massey Ferguson tractors had more transmission issues than engine problems. I have a Versatile 145 with a Cummins V8 a v470. The engine makes power like a petrol V8 so rev her out from 2500 to 3000 rpm to get power from that machine. Seems to be the main reason the inline engine was better the torque is down low unlike most v8s of the time. What do you think of the big IMT tractors with V6 Mercedes Benz diesel engines.
Hey mate, I dont know much about the IMT Tractors, and yet heaps of people have mentioned them, I will look into it! The 1155's are still going strong to this day, those perkins motors were solid!
A big issue is the main bearings, a V8 has only 5 mains for 8 cylinders, while a straight 6 has 7 mains for the 6 cylinders. The mains also tend to be narrower in a v8 to fit between the conrod pairs. As someone who moves his old tractors around with an 8V71 powered Kenworth, i think the noise makes up for any short comings!
Speaking of noise, the inline six has inherently less primary vibration, at the torque level involved it stands to reason that metal has limits and consistent levels of force small factors play into the scheme.
Just today I was helping my dad put insulation under an old house, there was a flathead V8 engine just sitting on the ground in the crawlspace. He says: "that looks like and old tractor engine" then I say "That's a flathead V8, I've never seen a tractor with a V8 before." looks like I'm eating crow for dinner.
@@TheDieselDiary not sure, I'm not very knowledgeable on flathead v8's the heads were off of it and I could see the valves, and that it had two water pumps for whatever reason that were painted orange, I don't know much else
The inline six is far more reliable in a diesel under interstate or farm loads. Actually, it's just a great design regardless of fuel when it comes to reliability. I drove a Chevy 250 in a '75 Nova 3 on the tree to 145.000 miles. No smoke, no leaks. Replaced the distributor pickup. Ran when it was asked to and never failed.
Fascinating subject for me. i drove a 4WD Versatile articulated tractor in the Northern Territory during the early 1980's. This was powered by a V8 Cummins engine and was a beast. At times it was used in conjunction with a D7 bulldozer with a chain pulling scrub, a task which it accounted for itself quite well , but tracks are more robust than rubber tyres.... I will never forget the noise and the power of the thing. The inline six is the perfect configuration for an engine, with its inherent balance characteristics and relative simplicity. Modern manufacturers are going back to them. They make good power too. International made terrific inline six diesels, bullet proof. Not tractor engines , however , reliable 2000hp from Ford Barra engines is not unheard of
Mate you would have some stories. The NT country is something else. We once bought some Steigers from Tipperary station. Bet you have seen some things!
@@TheDieselDiary I think they were trying to grow rice(for the magpie geese) on Tipperary Station when I was up that way. The critters and the bugs and the feral animals beat most agriculture in the N.T./northern Australia no matter how much money they throw at it. Us whitefellas have ruined most of it by now compared to what it was.
They just don’t have the constant pulling power. Maybe if yo7 could jam a3408 CAT in there it would cut it . Nice presentation. And yes just read the Adolf Diesel book . Anyone that’s been around diesels should read it. HAPPY NEW YEAR !!
The international 1468 and 1568 were made in an attempt to get horsepower obsessed younger farmers into the profession. People also twin turboed them but that didn’t help. There’s some discrepancy about the IH 7388, 7588, and 7788 4WDs, we do know for sure that they made 2 of each but some are convinced that there was a 3rd of one of them but it hasn’t been found/doesn’t exist
Hey Logan! interesting, I have been trying to find more and more info but aside from a few forum posts, which are mostly hear-say, it is hard to verify. I am trying to find someone from International that may be able to help give me real information.
What I have noticed about the difference between a V8 and an I6, is the V8 is like a race horse. It wants to get out and run. Yes it’s powerful but it doesn’t like being slow. The I6 is more like a mule. It’s slow but it will run all day long and get the work done.
The respiration difference between the two is remarkable. A 6cyl has a intake stroke every 120° where an 8cyl every 90°. Thats all being shared thru the same intake/turbo. Its less work to fill 6 cyl. The 8cyl has overlapping intake strokes, it needs to move more air a burn more fuel. It won't produce much more power unless it's under a heavy load. There is also something to be said for engine harmonics, things have a way of vibrating themselves loose in v8's where a 6cyl doesn't have the same buzz
I've been a fan of the two cylinder diesel with a small 4 cylinder pup motor to start the diesel. Like the john deere 820... ect... and get a kick out of old tractors with water injection 💉
I never had a V8 in. Tractor but had a New Holland 1500 combine with a 3208 Cat diesel. It was a good engine with no issues and a huge improvement over the 391 ci Ford gas engine that I had in a previous 1500 New Holland.
In germany there was Schlüter too a brand that more the one time utilized I8 engines from MAN etc. But even here in germany, nowadays, our high power tractors feature I6 only.
can not beat the torque of a straight six. Lots of low end power. And less fuel burn. I have a 706 with a IH 310 German. love that tractor. But she does not like the cold. I love the sound of the six spun up to 2100 rpm sounds nice...
It would be interesting to build two drag racing engines with same cubes (300-302 Ford), same power output and race at max for each design with basic maintenance to see how many runs each would maintain steady numbers, I’m betting on the six!
it would come down to bearing area and oil 5 bearing with the same area and oil as 7 bearing would be interesting toyota make a inline 6 2j i think that goes well
In a modern row crop tractor space, size, and packaging matters a lot! With powered front axles, clearance between the engine and tires is a huge issue. 6-cylinder engines are long, V8's are wide. Long is much easier to work with. Note: I used to work for Deere.
Here in the US ... I grew up this era ... I've never recall seeing a V8 tractor ... primarily row crop tractors were popular ... if the couldn't staddle a rice dike, cotton row or soybean row ... the farmer didn't need it ...
Why do tractors not use semi-truck engines? They've more or less always been more powerful, and they are built in larger numbers and are also designed to operate at close to peak power for an extended period of time. Or am I missing something?
My best guess is that a tractor engine is meant to run under constant load, whereas truck engines run on partial load most of the time. That's not to say there weren't good tractors built with truck engines (and axles, too)
Great video. New Subscriber. I collect V8 4wd tractors. I have enjoyed having the chance to get them out in the field. My favorite is my 1981 IH 4786. I also have collected a John Deere 8850, FORD FW-30, CASE 4994, STEIGER Turbo Tiger I and II.
@ I am looking forward to watching more of your videos. The 8850 runs great. Nice tractor. There is always a risk with V8s but so far I have not encountered any issues.
@ I think the biggest factor is how hard the tractors were pushed. Maintenance is very important although I think many were hooked to bigger implements and run faster than they were built for. In the most case of the V8 4wds they were the first big tractor purchase for a farm. A farmer would think look how big this is and just run it wide open.
@@TheDieselDiary hot damn! if i'm the lucky duck, you can count on some photos of it out here for sure! i sure miss it down there, i lived in SA for a couple years. be well!
Good video I'd like to add that the inline 6 being narrower also helps with visibility and mfwd turning. I can't remember from where but I read Deere actually thought about v style engines in their 10 series new generation tractors back in 1960 but found them to be too wide and interfered with mounted cultivators and pickers. I like inline engines in tractors where you access most things from the sides and V8 diesels in pickups where you have a hood to open and have easy access to the valley.
Sublimity is a small farming community just a few miles East of Salem, Oregon, USA. Every year, a large tractor pull event is held. There is an Oliver, just like the one your title page that is the star of the show. When he drives up and turns around to get hooked up, he has a great big smile that just telegraphs; WAIT TILL YOU SEE THIS!! It is very loud. It pulls the heaviest drag all the way to the end until it runs out of room. Oliver V8 RULES!!!
i have been wanting to purchase a New Holland T8050, modify the hood and chassis and then put a FPT V20 V8 engine from a top line Forage harvester from New Holland in it (it is a 20 Liter 90 Degree V8 with ovh and twin turbo's making 920 hp from the factory, the engine weighs 1,6 Tons without he oil and coolant)
Vee configuration diesels have an inherent problem - you have squeeze bearings for 8 cylinders into roughly the space you would find in a straight 4. High bearing loads are not conducive to durability. Having said that, Scania seems to have succeeded and of course locomotives and ships usually have medium speed vee engines (but maybe scale and lower speeds help)
talked to a JD engineer when he came back from the 8850 intro and he said it would have problems // to make the power and reliability the engine already had all the hot rod tricks and this was at introduction // they had to really lean on it out of the box to make it work
Please normalize the clips volume to your voice. I am really enjoying your video! But i am also lazy and do not like to constantly have to adjust the volume on my end to not r/\pe my ears while using my headphones❤❤ best wishes and keep 'em comming 😃
I have two 4880 and a 4900 Massey tractors that have served me very well now retired 😢 I would like to find a good home for them and not a junkyard loved those v eight's worked out as well as any other around here ❤
John Deere also made a 6030. It was a 200 horse 2 wheel drive. They had trouble holding the horse. John Deere did not make very many. Dad traded for a 5020 put a turbo on it. I bought a 5020 with a turbo. 5020 John Deere stock 6 cylinder with a turbo is a strong dependable work horse!!!
Shorter strokes higher piston speeds leads to higher revolution's for sane work output. Big straight sixes and 8 ling strokes lead to lower low end torque lower piston speeds, longer life.
I like the 903 v8 the best from the older Versatile tractors another good one was the Perkins V8 in the Massey Ferguson 2805 they were what I grew up with on the farm when I was young.
IH 1468. As A kid I use to ride my bicycle out into the country to listen to one working. Years later I got many chance to drive that same tractor some 35 or so years later as I worked as a hired hand. This farmer had two of them . One with mufflers the other straight piped with the tips curved to the front. The sound when in the field was incredible. He used these from new till he retired in 2022. On the last day that I worked for him I got to feary the straight pipe as we called it to another farm as he was getting ready for his retirement auction. A truck came up behind me the passenger rolled down his window and stuck his head out to get the full effect. They worked great for him all those years. He got more for them in 2022 then he payed for them when new. He also had a 2+2 it was a joy to work in after you got use to the nose moving while you were still going straight. Here's a link to a youtube video of the straight pipe at work. th-cam.com/video/6wr1t1Q7Hd4/w-d-xo.html
Dont know where it went. I think it was somewhere in Illinois or Iowa. These tractors have a bad reputation. The farmer I worked for said that a lot of people really turned up the horsepower and that is why so many got 6 cylinders put in. . They were working them to hard and they blew up. He was very meticulous about maintenance and I am sure that helped. He never had to do any major work on them till the early 2000s. The straight pipe had the keyway on the camshaft get knocked out of place. took for ever to finger that out. He bought them for the fuel savings as when below a certain RPM it would shut down 4 cylinders to conserve fuel.
I HAD A IHC 1468 , it was a awsome tractor its only detractor for me was the cab noise level , i would still have it today if not for an unfortunate accident it was written off . And if you ran it under 2000 rpm the fuel consumption was low then the six cyl. deleting the 4 8 ended the wear issue that hurt the 550 engines .
I’ve been a diesel tech for decades. While the V8’s aren’t the worst engines ever, an in-line 6 is by far the better choice for torque, stronger construction design, and can operate with much longer life.
Definitely longer life and better torque output
What about the modern iterations of the V8, any better in your opinion?
@@TheDieselDiaryIn the pickups, yes, especially the 4 valve per cylinder. They have much greater power and smoother than a straight 6. The torque is hard to match down low against a 6. The E9 Mack is quite the Hoss as well, it's just nobody wants to run them.
Check out the mecedes actros v 8. Twin turbo. Gobs of torque
For 4X2 tractors for sure.
The Detroit Diesel 8V powered tractors are my favorites for the sound they make.
Nothing sounds like a Detroit two-stroke.
@@HPDrifter2 Commer Knocker engines in the UK sounds really close to a Detroit at higher than idle rpms, both being 2 stroke scavenged diesels (although the Commer is an opposed cylinder engine). The Junkers JuMo 205 also sounds close to a Detroit. Like the Commer It's also a scavenged 2 stroke opposed-piston. Alas I wasn't able to find the video of a revving JuMo on the net, but one video exists of a JuMo running idle and sounding like a Detroit.
SCREAMERS!
Machines turning diesel into sound
Unfortunately they're generally considered a fragile, lower hour motor, lots of racket, lots of smoke, lots of oil slobber. Some folks might like the sound but, not worth the grief.😮
If I may comment on the John Deere 8850 - its V8 engine was mounted directly to the Front Bogie Frame, which twisted slightly in operation. That caused issues with the overall rigidity of the block and head, so not really the fault of the engine itself, per se.
John Kinzebaum's solution was to lengthen the Front Bogie Side Rails and install a 6 cylinder Cummins (NOT a V8 as stated in the video), engine, which itself was mounted on a seperate sub frame. The sub frame was attached to the chassis side rails, and gave a much more rigid set up, since the sub frame itself absorbed pretty much all of the twisting forces generated by the tractor when in operation.
The chassis rails were lengthened to accommodate the fact that an inline 6 engine of similar capacity, is longer than a V8 set up.
Interestingly, that design was probably the reason the torque impacted the bearings so badly.
There was a single cradle that held all of the lower main bearings that was severely tweaked by oscillations of the front axle which led to engine failure. Kinze came up with the Sub frame idea to make clutch replacement quicker. Even the straight 6 Deere tractors he repowered get the Subframe simply for that reason. He was repowering 84/8630/40/50 series before the 8850 problem.
The 8450, 8650 had the same issue even with an in 6. If you went through a low spot at an angle the axle stop would bottom out and put stress on the block by twisting it.
In line 6 cyl engines have 7 main bearings VS V8's that have only 5. It's a big deal when talking about durability in high HP/TQ applications
what is also a big deal on the bigger inlines is the amount of twist that the crankshaft is forced to endure. V8 crankshaft is MUCH shorter, and flexes (torsionally) a lot less. On top fuel engines, for example, there can be up to a 15 degree difference between the front and rear cylinders' ignition timing due to crankshaft twisting. Imagine how much a big inline 6 would twist at those cylinder pressures. The main reason I-6's are popular in "trucking" is cost. There is one cylinder head, 24 valves instead of 32, 12 lifters instead of 16, and then maintenance-you can do an in-frame overhaul on most of them in a lot less time than a V8 would need. If the I-6 were "that" good, larger boat engines would all be I-6, but they're not-there are many V24, V16, etc. There is also a bunch of I6's but they were really smaller power unit engines and not propulsion engines for the most part of bigger ships and such.
@turbojoe9554 great point!
This isn’t the flex you think it is when the crank is two cylinders longer.
The depends on the Width and Diameter of the bearing. I have two 903 Cubic Inch Cummins V-8's with a Turbo. they are rated at 350 HP at 2,600 RPM's Low Rpm's should get better fuel economy .. If you want to make more power and torque at lower RPM's you need more boost. Then you need an Intercooler or after cooler.. Which the 903 Cummins does not have.
My original reply was cut short by events out of my control.
Because of the structure of a V8 you will not have more than 5 main bearings. There is no place to put more. There is nothing special about 7 in an I6 other than it will cost more to produce bearings and caps for the main.
For farming all that matters is 1. Can it produce the advertised power ratings and 2. Ease of repairs and maintenance. 3. Can it farm what I need it to farm.
When I was a kid, a neighbor is known to have a Massey Harris 44 modified pulling tractor with a pair of Chevy car 427 engines on it. It was a tractor to beat in it's day. His farm tractors were Massey Ferguson Perkins V8 tractors with straight exhaust! They would howl all day when the fields were turned over. He had the latter 18 series and a 28 series 2WD, and a Perkins powered articulated 4WD. Wayne was of the few that didn't run Steiger or John Deere were I grew up.
Thank you for sharing!
Very interesting Video! Over here in Germany, Bavarian tractor manufacturer Schlüter used to install Inline 8 Engines with 9,5 or 9,8 Liters displacement their 200 hp 4wd Models. As far as I know these were the only tractors with an inline 8 ever made. About 400 units were manufactured. To this day Schlüter has a very strong fan base and even though they seized production in the 90s many of their tractors are still around.
I seized what you did...😂
6~8~12...nobody ever shopped at ...7 / 11 ?
@@JTA1961gas engines rarely have odd numbers and so dont get many in diesel though you can
Straight 8cyl engines have long cast blocks which tend to crack/warp.
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Gardner straight 8s had very few problems .They made huge ones at the time for industry ,ships and smaller ones for Lorries and boats.
I love the 8V71 and the 8V92. I grew up hearing the marine version of these and still love the sound and smell of them.
No matter the engine, you can only put so much torque to the ground through two wheels before they just start slipping. Duals also have thier limits. This is why Versatile and Steiger went to articulated tractors for thier high powered lines.
The Hungarian Dutra tractors were also 4WD but not articulated. Conventional steering with 4 equally sized wheels. A beast to turn, but with good traction.
We farmed with Massey and Oliver tractors when I was kid. Our MF 1500 4WD had the v-8 Cat 3150. Made lots of noise and would pull if you kept it wound up. Constantly adjusting the depth of the disk especially on hilly ground. Our Oliver 2255 was my favorite. It was cat 3208 powered. We were told by the dealer not to lug that engine. IMO what made this tractor so great was its compact center of gravity and 3 speed over under hydraul shift. You could shift on the go to help keep the rpm’s up. Neither were fuel guzzlers. That winner was our Oliver G-1355. That 585 Moline straight 6 was very thirsty! Lot’s of low end grunt with that big inline six. Never ran a Detroit but would imagine those 2 strokers were torque monsters. Thanks for the video, brought back some great memories!
@@Troy-i5e 2255, dream tractor! Thank you for your story. Glad you enjoyed it and happy new year.
Diesel engines were more efficient full throttle
@@TheDieselDiary my dad and grandpa each had an oliver 2255 with the cat 3150 engines. They loved them, but had to be careful cause the cat engine could tear the rear end right out of the tractor. Oliver apparently wasnt making their gears strong enough to handle the cat engine, so it was "de-horsed" as he'd tell me. When the whites came out, they sold out of farming alltogether. Was amazing to me was, they loved, and farmed with olivers, and both were international harvester employees
Had a 1805 MF, & it had a lot of power & torque. You could take off with the plow in the ground at 1100 RPM , 👨🌾
My nephew and I put a 83 bus 9L international v8 into a mid 70s 1468.
Taking the junk dv550 out and putting a more modern 9L in made a big difference. A friend recently the injector lines and put the old ag governor from dv pump on the bus pump. It's turned up a bit and still doesn't smoke.
There are a few things to worry about. The biggest was a cast boss on the 9L block needs ground off to mount the old dv water and cam injector pump drive.
My son and I went to tour Jon Kinzenbaw’s collection 2 years ago. He gave a great tour and still has quite a few of his V8 conversions. Great job explaining this subject. We farm with some John Deere muscle tractors in western New York. 4020, 4320, 5020, 6030 7520 and a number of newer tractors. Someday we’ll have a V8!
That’s one of the most collectible set of tractors I’ve seen!
CAT 3208 V8. Is my favorite. I did my apprenticeship with.the Cat dealers in South Africa. The 3208 just had the sound!!
The cat 3208 could have been one of the most widely used engines around?
I love the Detroit v8 repower, but my favorite is the Oliver v8 caterpillar with 4x4!
It has such a cool look and enough power to pull a house down!
How have I not come across this channel sooner? Diesels, tractors, and V8s all in one place? Subscribed.
I think the K 700 A is by far the most legendary V 8 tractor which has still a hype in germany nowadays. And the turbo sounds great
But even that was replaced and topped by V-12 NA diesel powered K-701. And that rumbles even better.
@Tegelane5 True
German Schlueter 5000 twin turbo V12 was bonkers too.
When German engineers get gifted schnapps baskets from the German farmers and the supervisors went missing.
The 1468/1568 used the DV550 from Motortruck or Payline use - originally the pumps were set to hit on 4 cylinders until the load came on - ostensibly for fuel economy. Most owners took their pumps to a shop to convert them to hit on all 8 all the time. Nice sound with twin turbos but fuel economy was less than a DT436 as in the 1466/1566.
Was a 549 with diesel heads.
We had a 1468 as a loaner when our tractor broke down, until it broke down. Supposed to be decent once the cylinder cutoff feature was removed, but given how strong a DT466 was, there was no point in a V8.
Please correct me. I was told the injection pump that hit on 4 cylinders at idle then 8 on demand might have been built by Holly. I saw one at an injection shop in the early '80s. Holly had no history of building farm rated diesel injection pumps. No history for any other applications either. So the farmers hated the "engine." But when the pump was replaced by a Bosch A series (I think) it was a descent engine. The Holly pump looked puny. It did not look like it was up to the task of farm life.
This is interesting Larry, I have a parts book for the 1468 that has Holly documentation on the pump, but my engines the pumps on my enginess and the spares are not branded as such. I need to dig further on this.
@@TheDieselDiary You might get in touch with Area Diesel Service in Carlinville, Illinois. Talk to Val Leefers, the owner. He built the shop in about 1973. He might have lots to say. I did not see the Holly pump in his shop. That was a small shop in Biggsville, Illinois. Val would be a wealth of historical knowledge. At one time, he was known as Mr. R-D. An International injection pump from the very early days. The Holly was short. Only 6 inches tall. It looked like it was a long as a yardstick. Engine adapter, 8 barrels and a funky governor and you get a weird, pencil injection pump. Have fun with your search! I look forward to your results.
The best sounding V8 tractor has to be the Kirovets K700A.
Though you can't really even hear the V8 sound, just the turbo whistle.
The K701 sounds good too. Non turbo v12!
Never heard of that! Will look into it!
@@TheDieselDiaryThey were sold in North America as a Belarus, and they were painted orange. Theres a playlist on TH-cam of a guy in Canada with one, very cool to see one here.
Yes the Massey 1150 was the first V8 powered tractor. The 1130 mentioned in the video was a one of a kind demo model (prototype) the MF 1150 had the perkins AV8.510, the 1155 and 2745 had the AV8.540. 2775 had the AV8.640. 2805 had the ATV8.640 (with only of course one turbo not dual turbo as mentioned in the video) these mentioned tractors were the only ones produced with masseys own engines (Perkins wich they owned) the 1500/1800 had the 3160 caterpillar V8, 1505/1805 had the 3208 caterpillar V8. Then massey lauced the 4000 series with the Cummins 903 V8 wich were the biggest and last V8 powered tractors from Massey.
Very good succinct, and also accurate post.
Dad and I had 2 2745’s and a 1155 with m and w turbos . They run good!
@@scottjohnson4396 We use a 1155 on our farm with very steep hilly fields with a 11 meter, 108 tooth harrow. We have never had a tractor with such pulling power, it pulls the harrow in high gear also.. we also have a 1135 that we use, but not as much pulling power as the 1155 even though many people says it pulls better.
Sh*t you are right, I didn’t realise I said twin turbo! I was going to talk about the M&W turbo kits for the Dv and had twin turbo in my head!
The 1150 was a great tractor, Agco pushed on with the V8. Not many out here, but I had a beautiful platform 1155 I regret selling. Had a couple of the later ones but they don’t interest me much!
So the 1130 was a prototype. My parents farm was a half mile from the. Massey Ferguson test facility near Tecumseh Michigan. Massey would loan out to farmers to accumulate hours. I got to put a few hours on the 1130 disking cornstalks.
Worked for a big dairy farmer early 80"s he had a 1980 4786 IH with the DVT-800 v8 diesel , It had major issues with dropping the valves at random times very unreliable engine , It finally blew up while plowing the owner put the cummins re-fit in and no further problems !
I spent a summer (1981) operating a 2255 Oliver with MFWD. It had the 3208 Cat. I absolutely loved the performance of that tractor. Probably impractical today but at the time, it ran with anything in the 150 hp class. Great content. Thank you.
That's the motor I was thinking off first. Or Detroit 2 strokes
The White / Oliver / Minneapolis Moline is still a practical Tractor as the 3208 Caterpillar is very easy on fuel. I ran one in my lime spreader 6 wheel drive truck for 12,000 hours .. It developed a knock and I upgraded to a Jasper rebuilt with hard cast iron sleeves and 2 ring pistons over the 1 ring Pistons in my 3208 Cat 250 Horsepower Turbo engine.
640 ft pounds of torque at 14000 RPM's and the 210 Horsepower naturally aspirated versions made 500 # of torque. You don't want to lug the engines.. they last longer if you keep them revved up .
Thanks for sharing, and thank you for watching.
Your channel showed up in my feed for the first time today. Love the content and that you didn’t use AI to narrate your video. Subscribed!
@@ITrustInDog thank you so much. This comment made my day! I also dislike AI, I try to be credible and accountable and you can’t do that being faceless.
I like to research things and make these videos out of my learnings. There are so many fascinating stories out there to cover!
Me too trusting dog
shout out to this champ who actually took time from his day for 942 people to come watch it thank all of you for showing this guy some love I wish for you the best man. my favorite v8 is the cat diesel v8 semi engine, my least favorite is probably Detroit diesel v8. and honestly, I know that v8's or most of em aren't very fuel efficient but you can pump a lot of power out of them.
*12 hours later*
43,000+ people!
I still run a Cat 3208 in a MF. A Cummins 903 in a truck, a Duetz air cooled V8. I have a Detroit 8V71 but have never run it.
@@northdakotaham1752 nice I just like the sound but before real cat engines can pack power especially those 18 18 liter ones yk.
@@Vehicle_Enthisiast the 3208 only puts out about 210 hp but the noise from it sounds like 400 hp! 😆
I cant believe it!
Oliver went with the higher RPM lower Torque Naturally Aspirated 3208 Caterpillar because they needed a more powerful tractor yet their three range powershift Transmission could not handle the Torque of a Lower RPM Big Torque 6 Cylinder engine.
They could put more Horsepower into the light drive train with a higher rpm lower torque engine and still get that 175 Horse Power that they wanted.
I would assume that the 3208 Cat Progressed to the 4 wheel drive White/Oliver Tractors because they were already using it .
The first 2255 had a 3150 cat rated at 135 hp the later 2255 with the 3208 cat was rated at 145 hp have heard the could be turned to 215,mine was turned to 160 hp on the dino...loved my 2255
@@terrygugel3803 That rating is drawbar or PTO Horsepower I was going by Gross Horse Power.. After 20,000 hours my radiator is worn too thin to cool my 3208 Cat anymore.. I need to put a bigger radiator in it .. I do run water Injection.. The Jasper engine dynode 265 HP The engines used in the Tractors were at least 175 Gross Horsepower
PTO
I’ve always liked the big Detroit V8’s. At least in theory since my only exposure has been through TH-cam. Thanks for sharing the story.
I put a lot of trouble free hours on a Massey Ferguson 1150 pulling a 7 - 16 plow. I loved it!
I loved my 1155! Would love an 1150!
Oliver 2255 is my favorite V8 with the 1468/1568 coming in second.
Pretty much the same as me mate!
Least favorite V8 - the juice. Most favorite V8 - Cadillac 429. Had one in a 67 Fleetwood. Had more fun with that car than any other. Engine was built by a shop that mostly did racing motors. It took months to get it in for an estimate, then a few more to get a slot for a build.
I love my 1468 International Harvester. They may not be the best in the field. But they sure turn heads today!!
I love hate them, I love them, I have had 4, but I hate that they are so hard to rebuild these days.
1984-1990 I worked for WFE, prior to AGCO as such I worked on White, Oliver, Cockshut, MM and old Silver Kings. Perkins, Waukesha and Cummins were the I6 engines. The Oliver 2155 and White 4-210 both had CAT 3208 (C7) V8 options although I can only remember servicing a couple. Nice video, have a happy new year.
Thank you and happy new year!
IMT from Yugoslavia used Mercedes Benz V engines for tractors above 150hp. A unique tractor case is a V6 Mercedes Benz OM 401 173 hp engine in an IMT 5170 and OM441 210hp V6 in a 5210 model.
They had the potential to be decent high power tractors, but models had some design flaws, like weak differential. Since they were made in few numbers, they are hard to maintain.
I’ll look them up! I’ve heard a little about IMT but not much.
Absolutely love that era of tractor. Don't pick me hahaha. That one bloke knows more about Massey's than me nearly 😅😅
You're in the draw mate, and everyone has the same chance. Its all about learning and sharing here! Thank you for watching!
I worked on a dairy farm that bought a John Deere (can't remember the model) that was repowered with a Cat V8. I'd say a 3208 except I don't think it was out yet. It was to replace a JD 4020 that didn't have enough power to pull a 5 bottom plow in some of the heavy black soil they had. I remember my young boss bragging about what a hot deal he got at an auction when he bought it. It didn't last a month and the flywheel came unbolted and the tractor had to be split. It turned out to be a real lemmon.
That sounds expensive, would have been a nice thing to have now though! $
Cat 3208 the best starting diesel I’ve ever used.
I worked in a case IH shop in the 1990s, and saw many different v8 tractors here in the south. The international, Massey, and even the White. We worked on all of them were always interesting.
Any worse than any others in your experience?
In line engines are almost always strokers. Strokers have more torque and at lower rpm, like what diesels like to run at. A good combo.
Greetings from Montana ! There were several of these Steiger tractors with a 555 cummins or a 3208 Cat V8's sold over here in Idaho and Montana
Don't forget the 935 Versatile with the 903 Cummins. Factory hp was 330, ours was turned up to 365hp to pull 50' cultivator, 60' of 9350 JD drills.
I can’t wait to visit Montana! Big tractor country! When I researched Wagner for my earlier video I learned a little bit about your beautiful state!
@@TheDieselDiary Wagner was one of the first to make big 4WDs, because of them we have Steiger and big bud too. You Can’t really appreciate how big they are until you standing next to the tires and your still looking at rubber
@@loganbeedy5950 I have a photo of me standing on 747. That thing is a tank. I am working on a big-bud video, I didnt realise about the wagner big-bud connection until I did my earlier video!
@@loganbeedy5950 th-cam.com/video/SP_vokpQZJU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dtDaTn2u5xtsu_Ov
Deutz 16006 V8 articulated tractor developed of a wheelloader prototype. Deutz as a supplier of engines for construction equipment manufacturers stopped producing its own construction machinery around the end of the 1960s in order not to scare away its engine buyers. So Deutz built a tractor from the “remains” of the wheel loader. However, fewer than 100 tractors were built between 1969 and 1975. And as far I know it's the only non prototype V8 tractor build in Germany.
Interesting!!! I didn’t find that in my research. I’ll check it out thank you.
I ran a vt903 for 45 years with one overhaul mid way . I sold it to my son he's still running it. It burns about 7-8 gallons per hour. Runs cheap
The Cummins 555, or 'triple nickel' is probably my fav, but for the wrong reasons. It'll snap a crank if you sneeze at it, lol!
Fair dinkum!?
Happy new year! Greetings from Germany🇩🇪🤝
Happy new year!
My dad has two 1568 IHs. There impressive to look at but wouldn’t even think about starting until it saw an ether can. Really put out a lot of smoke.
Your dad sounds like a cool guy! Love it!
I have a Massey Ferguson 1155 and I think it was one of the better V8 tractors. The engine was a good blend of power and torque that you don't miss an inline engine in that machine. I wish the rest the drivetrain was heavier because with a turbo and more power that engine would really feel like something. The 2000 series Massey Ferguson tractors had more transmission issues than engine problems. I have a Versatile 145 with a Cummins V8 a v470. The engine makes power like a petrol V8 so rev her out from 2500 to 3000 rpm to get power from that machine. Seems to be the main reason the inline engine was better the torque is down low unlike most v8s of the time. What do you think of the big IMT tractors with V6 Mercedes Benz diesel engines.
Hey mate, I dont know much about the IMT Tractors, and yet heaps of people have mentioned them, I will look into it!
The 1155's are still going strong to this day, those perkins motors were solid!
Like the Perkins in Massey Ferguson!
Me too!
I had a 1150 and a 1155 Massey Fergusons. I loved the 1155.
Me too! My 1155 platform was a beast!
The coolest little tractor is a Ford 8N with a V8 conversion kit. But no diesel that I know of.
I’ve seen only one ever! It did wheelstands!
Had a neighbor that Had Massy Fergeson with a v-8 thought it was real cool but never saw it in operation.
Did you hear it?!
Wait till he figures out what a john deere 5020 repower is
He’s busy looking for a set of ear plugs and a gallon of oil
Cool video! I didn’t know much about v8 tractors before!
Thank you for watching! Hope it was entertaining!
Favorite Diesel V8 is a Detroit Diesel 2 Stroke 8V71. One of the best sounding engines in my opinion.
So many Detroit lovers! 💪🏼
JD 5020 looked great ! Powerful ! My best looking V8 tractor.
A big issue is the main bearings, a V8 has only 5 mains for 8 cylinders, while a straight 6 has 7 mains for the 6 cylinders. The mains also tend to be narrower in a v8 to fit between the conrod pairs. As someone who moves his old tractors around with an 8V71 powered Kenworth, i think the noise makes up for any short comings!
Speaking of noise, the inline six has inherently less primary vibration, at the torque level involved it stands to reason that metal has limits and consistent levels of force small factors play into the scheme.
Must do right?
Just today I was helping my dad put insulation under an old house, there was a flathead V8 engine just sitting on the ground in the crawlspace. He says: "that looks like and old tractor engine"
then I say "That's a flathead V8, I've never seen a tractor with a V8 before." looks like I'm eating crow for dinner.
Hahaha what size motor?!
@@TheDieselDiary not sure, I'm not very knowledgeable on flathead v8's the heads were off of it and I could see the valves, and that it had two water pumps for whatever reason that were painted orange, I don't know much else
The inline six is far more reliable in a diesel under interstate or farm loads. Actually, it's just a great design regardless of fuel when it comes to reliability. I drove a Chevy 250 in a '75 Nova 3 on the tree to 145.000 miles. No smoke, no leaks. Replaced the distributor pickup. Ran when it was asked to and never failed.
G day from Ontario Yes & now dodge pkup is going back to straight 6 /turbo
I remember having a 250 chev 6 7main bearing
Ths
Fascinating subject for me.
i drove a 4WD Versatile articulated tractor in the Northern Territory during the early 1980's.
This was powered by a V8 Cummins engine and was a beast.
At times it was used in conjunction with a D7 bulldozer with a chain pulling scrub, a task which it accounted for itself quite well , but tracks are more robust than rubber tyres....
I will never forget the noise and the power of the thing.
The inline six is the perfect configuration for an engine, with its inherent balance characteristics and relative simplicity.
Modern manufacturers are going back to them.
They make good power too.
International made terrific inline six diesels, bullet proof.
Not tractor engines , however , reliable 2000hp from Ford Barra engines is not unheard of
Mate you would have some stories. The NT country is something else. We once bought some Steigers from Tipperary station.
Bet you have seen some things!
@@TheDieselDiary I think they were trying to grow rice(for the magpie geese) on Tipperary Station when I was up that way.
The critters and the bugs and the feral animals beat most agriculture in the N.T./northern Australia no matter how much money they throw at it. Us whitefellas have ruined most of it by now compared to what it was.
They just don’t have the constant pulling power. Maybe if yo7 could jam a3408 CAT in there it would cut it . Nice presentation. And yes just read the Adolf Diesel book . Anyone that’s been around diesels should read it. HAPPY NEW YEAR !!
@@jimcushman5060 happy new year!!! Thank you!
3408 is the most garbage cat engine ever. A c18 shits on it all day
Fact is that the current 8V-903 are the most rugged and durable amongst all engines available.
The international 1468 and 1568 were made in an attempt to get horsepower obsessed younger farmers into the profession. People also twin turboed them but that didn’t help. There’s some discrepancy about the IH 7388, 7588, and 7788 4WDs, we do know for sure that they made 2 of each but some are convinced that there was a 3rd of one of them but it hasn’t been found/doesn’t exist
Hey Logan! interesting, I have been trying to find more and more info but aside from a few forum posts, which are mostly hear-say, it is hard to verify.
I am trying to find someone from International that may be able to help give me real information.
@ basically a giant game of telephone. The people who could tell us have probably all passed on and were left speculating until someone finds it
@@loganbeedy5950 I am still trying to find someone!
What I have noticed about the difference between a V8 and an I6, is the V8 is like a race horse. It wants to get out and run. Yes it’s powerful but it doesn’t like being slow. The I6 is more like a mule. It’s slow but it will run all day long and get the work done.
That’s a great way to put it!
The respiration difference between the two is remarkable. A 6cyl has a intake stroke every 120° where an 8cyl every 90°. Thats all being shared thru the same intake/turbo. Its less work to fill 6 cyl. The 8cyl has overlapping intake strokes, it needs to move more air a burn more fuel. It won't produce much more power unless it's under a heavy load. There is also something to be said for engine harmonics, things have a way of vibrating themselves loose in v8's where a 6cyl doesn't have the same buzz
Fantastic! Thank you for sharing!
As a kid in the 70s we had a Versatile with a very noisy v-8.
I've been a fan of the two cylinder diesel with a small 4 cylinder pup motor to start the diesel. Like the john deere 820... ect... and get a kick out of old tractors with water injection 💉
Love it!
I never had a V8 in. Tractor but had a New Holland 1500 combine with a 3208 Cat diesel. It was a good engine with no issues and a huge improvement over the 391 ci Ford gas engine that I had in a previous 1500 New Holland.
In germany there was Schlüter too a brand that more the one time utilized I8 engines from MAN etc. But even here in germany, nowadays, our high power tractors feature I6 only.
Favorite V8 is the Olds 350 diesel... 😂 I kid!
can not beat the torque of a straight six. Lots of low end power. And less fuel burn. I have a 706 with a IH 310 German. love that tractor. But she does not like the cold. I love the sound of the six spun up to 2100 rpm sounds nice...
The international V8 probably had the most serious work being done, but the white tractor was just basic maintenance.
It would be interesting to build two drag racing engines with same cubes (300-302 Ford), same power output and race at max for each design with basic maintenance to see how many runs each would maintain steady numbers, I’m betting on the six!
it would come down to bearing area and oil 5 bearing with the same area and oil as 7 bearing would be interesting toyota make a inline 6 2j i think that goes well
In a modern row crop tractor space, size, and packaging matters a lot! With powered front axles, clearance between the engine and tires is a huge issue. 6-cylinder engines are long, V8's are wide. Long is much easier to work with. Note: I used to work for Deere.
Thanks for sharing!
Here in the US ... I grew up this era ... I've never recall seeing a V8 tractor ... primarily row crop tractors were popular ... if the couldn't staddle a rice dike, cotton row or soybean row ... the farmer didn't need it ...
The 8v71 detroit 318 best v8 ever put in a tractor back in the day and was never a factory option! Just repower
Why do tractors not use semi-truck engines? They've more or less always been more powerful, and they are built in larger numbers and are also designed to operate at close to peak power for an extended period of time. Or am I missing something?
The dV550 was a truck engine converted for tractors!
Cummins are a popular large horse power tractor engine.
My best guess is that a tractor engine is meant to run under constant load, whereas truck engines run on partial load most of the time. That's not to say there weren't good tractors built with truck engines (and axles, too)
Wow! I had no idea they even used tractors down under!
Great video. New Subscriber. I collect V8 4wd tractors. I have enjoyed having the chance to get them out in the field. My favorite is my 1981 IH 4786. I also have collected a John Deere 8850, FORD FW-30, CASE 4994, STEIGER Turbo Tiger I and II.
The FW30 is a rare tractor!
I love your page! Thank you for your comment.
Did you 8850 run ok?
@ I am looking forward to watching more of your videos. The 8850 runs great. Nice tractor. There is always a risk with V8s but so far I have not encountered any issues.
Keep the maintenance up. Apparently the fail rates were higher here in Australia than in the USA. Weather and use maybe?
@ I think the biggest factor is how hard the tractors were pushed. Maintenance is very important although I think many were hooked to bigger implements and run faster than they were built for. In the most case of the V8 4wds they were the first big tractor purchase for a farm. A farmer would think look how big this is and just run it wide open.
subscribed before you mentioned the giveaway! this septic tank would love a hat, iffn the drawing's still on. cheers from Alaska!
You're in the draw brother from across the pond!
@@TheDieselDiary hot damn! if i'm the lucky duck, you can count on some photos of it out here for sure! i sure miss it down there, i lived in SA for a couple years. be well!
Good video I'd like to add that the inline 6 being narrower also helps with visibility and mfwd turning. I can't remember from where but I read Deere actually thought about v style engines in their 10 series new generation tractors back in 1960 but found them to be too wide and interfered with mounted cultivators and pickers. I like inline engines in tractors where you access most things from the sides and V8 diesels in pickups where you have a hood to open and have easy access to the valley.
Thank you for watching! :)
Oliver v8. Were there any conversions using the MM 1385 engine in the Oliver's?
I am not sure sorry, I might need to look into it!
Some of these are properly rare old bangers 👌
Hell yeah they are these days!
Sublimity is a small farming community just a few miles East of Salem, Oregon, USA. Every year, a large tractor pull event is held. There is an Oliver, just like the one your title page that is the star of the show. When he drives up and turns around to get hooked up, he has a great big smile that just telegraphs; WAIT TILL YOU SEE THIS!! It is very loud. It pulls the heaviest drag all the way to the end until it runs out of room. Oliver V8 RULES!!!
With those rocker covers and flared shields, they are my pick as the toughest of all the muscle tractors. STAUNCH
The best motor to build is the straight 8, smooth, constant torque, keep the oil burners though I want gas.
i have been wanting to purchase a New Holland T8050, modify the hood and chassis and then put a FPT V20 V8 engine from a top line Forage harvester from New Holland in it
(it is a 20 Liter 90 Degree V8 with ovh and twin turbo's making 920 hp from the factory, the engine weighs 1,6 Tons without he oil and coolant)
@mmm365 Iveco?
That would be W.I.L.D!
Love the two stroke Detroit Vs
Screamers!!! We had an Oliver that had a Detroit! Wow
Vee configuration diesels have an inherent problem - you have squeeze bearings for 8 cylinders into roughly the space you would find in a straight 4.
High bearing loads are not conducive to durability.
Having said that, Scania seems to have succeeded and of course locomotives and ships usually have medium speed vee engines (but maybe scale and lower speeds help)
talked to a JD engineer when he came back from the 8850 intro and he said it would have problems // to make the power and reliability the engine already had all the hot rod tricks and this was at introduction // they had to really lean on it out of the box to make it work
Other v8 tractors was the old Swedtrac
Please normalize the clips volume to your voice. I am really enjoying your video! But i am also lazy and do not like to constantly have to adjust the volume on my end to not r/\pe my ears while using my headphones❤❤ best wishes and keep 'em comming 😃
Sorry mate! Still learning the audio output. I should test it with headphones on export. Will work harder, but thank you for letting me know! 🙏🏼
I have two 4880 and a 4900 Massey tractors that have served me very well now retired 😢 I would like to find a good home for them and not a junkyard loved those v eight's worked out as well as any other around here ❤
Someone will find a nice home for them!
I dont know much about v8s but the k 700 v8 with turbo is a wonderful sound
John Deere also made a 6030. It was a 200 horse 2 wheel drive. They had trouble holding the horse. John Deere did not make very many. Dad traded for a 5020 put a turbo on it. I bought a 5020 with a turbo. 5020 John Deere stock 6 cylinder with a turbo is a strong dependable work horse!!!
I actually own a 6030! Jump on my page and there are some restoration videos. Juggernauts.
I have a White 2-180 with a Cat3208 in it. Love it.
Nothing draws emotion like the sound of a australian accent
Ill let my missus know! :p
Great video, great pics !
Thank you!
Love the sound of my friends V8 massey
Hell yeah!
Shorter strokes higher piston speeds leads to higher revolution's for sane work output. Big straight sixes and 8 ling strokes lead to lower low end torque lower piston speeds, longer life.
I like the 903 v8 the best from the older Versatile tractors another good one was the Perkins V8 in the Massey Ferguson 2805 they were what I grew up with on the farm when I was young.
The german manufacturer schlüter just used an Inline 8 engine imstead of an v8 in its bigger tractors
IH 1468. As A kid I use to ride my bicycle out into the country to listen to one working. Years later I got many chance to drive that same tractor some 35 or so years later as I worked as a hired hand. This farmer had two of them . One with mufflers the other straight piped with the tips curved to the front. The sound when in the field was incredible. He used these from new till he retired in 2022. On the last day that I worked for him I got to feary the straight pipe as we called it to another farm as he was getting ready for his retirement auction. A truck came up behind me the passenger rolled down his window and stuck his head out to get the full effect. They worked great for him all those years. He got more for them in 2022 then he payed for them when new. He also had a 2+2 it was a joy to work in after you got use to the nose moving while you were still going straight. Here's a link to a youtube video of the straight pipe at work. th-cam.com/video/6wr1t1Q7Hd4/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for sharing! Where is the tractor now do you know?
Dont know where it went. I think it was somewhere in Illinois or Iowa. These tractors have a bad reputation. The farmer I worked for said that a lot of people really turned up the horsepower and that is why so many got 6 cylinders put in.
. They were working them to hard and they blew up. He was very meticulous about maintenance and I am sure that helped. He never had to do any major work on them till the early 2000s. The straight pipe had the keyway on the camshaft get knocked out of place. took for ever to finger that out.
He bought them for the fuel savings as when below a certain RPM it would shut down 4 cylinders to conserve fuel.
@ many people changed the fuel pumps to run on 8 cylinders at all time, because they didn’t kick to 8 cylinders until about 80% load on the pump!
The Massey 1150- 1155 is my favorit.
I loved my 1155!
I HAD A IHC 1468 , it was a awsome tractor its only detractor for me was the cab noise level , i would still have it today if not for an unfortunate accident it was written off . And if you ran it under 2000 rpm the fuel consumption was low then the six cyl. deleting the 4 8 ended the wear issue that hurt the 550 engines .
Many converted to run on 8cyl at all times. Sorry to hear you lost it!
Perkins V8-540 and 640 were some of the better V8 engines.
Reliable, many still working hard to this day.
Kinze used 8V-71N Detroit's, the later larger 2 + 2 articulated used 855 Big Cam Cummins