This is such an L take. Being a celebrity does not mean the public has any right to ask you something whenever they feel like it. What made the Breakfast Club situation worse is that it was on the list of forbidden topics and Charlamagne brought it up anyways and she handled it respectfully. That's the missing context. And Charlamagne was clearly doing it to troll her as well. She is going to be perpetually questioned about her identity but that doesn't mean she has to drop whatever she's doing to anyone who is curious or asks at all times. And that goes not just for identity but any information Another thing is that Tyla has been an artist for years now. She's international, but she's very South African inspired as well as that's where her career started. So when talking about her identity, she's not only talking to Americans, she's talking to her fellow countrymen as well as the rest of the world. Americans don't want to get it rather than they don't know, that's the issue.
Ok first, being a celebrity absolutely does mean that people have the right to ask you any question at any time. Does that mean they SHOULD ask some questions or that the celebrity has to answer? No, that’s not what that means. But part of being a celebrity is literally selling your public image as a good/product and people are going to have thoughts and questions on what they’re spending their hard-earned money on. If you don’t want to deal with that, just ignore the questions and face the consequences or stop trying to be a celebrity. Second, please stop group all Americans (especially Black Americans) in the same box. We are not all having the same conversations or interpreting this situation the same way. There are a lot of people who genuinely don’t understand South African race politics and how a term like “coloured” isn’t offensive. There are groups of Black American men fetishizing Tyla and insisting she’s Black because they have identity issues and must project Blackness onto every woman they want to have sex with. And then there are also a lot of us who understand that there is a difference between being Black and being coloured in SA and we’re trying to figure out what that means now that she’s trying to break out in the American music scene. Which is another point I’d like to touch on actually. I’ve seen wayyy too many people acting obtuse about the fact that Tyla is specifically marketing herself to Black Americans right now. She’s not just marketing herself globally or to the American music scene in general anymore, but specifically the Black American music scene. She was on the Breakfast Club, she’s doing events with BET, she’s making sure that she’s seen with Black American musicians, and is hanging out with Black American influencers. Let’s stop acting like she’s not trying to court more Black Americans to her fanbase, because she is. And if she’s going to do that then hell yeah she’s going to have to explain her relationship with Blackness. Because we’re tired of non-Black people profiting off of us and giving us nothing in return. And coloured people in SA have a history of being racist and elitist towards Black people from what I’ve heard, so her identifying as coloured makes it even more important for Tyla to move carefully. Also, Tyla is far from the first person to go through this and won’t be the last. Beyoncé’s race is still discussed to this day. Rihanna’s race is still being discussed to this day. They argue about Zendaya’s race in twitter every other day. To be a woman of color in the American spotlight, you have to be prepared for this and it doesn’t seem like Tyla was. And lastly, The Breakfast Club is known for it’s shenanigans, Charlemagne’s specifically, so why wasn’t Tyla’s team expecting some type of foolishness? I’m sorry but I can’t have any sympathy for someone who’s willingly going on that platform in spite of their terrible history. Nobody with sense listens to TBC for anything other than mess. They ask people questions from their forbidden list all the time and do not care. Even bigger names than Tyla have had their wishes disregarded and been humiliated on that show, so why was her team expecting any different? Why the hell would she even go on there in the first place? Literally the only reason to go on that show is to reach Black Americans who are less online, that often have an even more convoluted idea of Blackness than those of us who are more chronically online. There have been a lot of accusations of Black Americans not knowing or respecting South African culture and history, but it doesn’t seem like much respect or effort to understand is being given in return Edit: corrected a “they’re” for a “their”
@@afroqueen698 if ur in any other career there are boundaries. she's a singer. she's not obligated to do anything else other than that. she doesnt have to answer any questionsa bout race and thats what she'll continue to do, good for her
@@theceech Never did I say or imply that she was obligated to respond to questions, I in fact said that she does not have to and that there are some questions that people should not ask, but she is not just trying to be a singer. Tyla wants to be a public figure. She doesn’t HAVE to do anything, but just like jobs come with boundaries they also come with expectations. If you don’t meet those expectations, don’t expect that to come without pushback or to be rewarded for it. Tyla is clearly trying to build a global audience and become an international superstar. Part of being in the spotlight is having to deal with the public, because it’s not like she’s singing to herself in the shower. And she’s also not putting out music or selling concert tickets for free. It is a give and take. If she wants the fame and money, she’s gotta deal with being scrutinized. Or she can always choose a different career path. I’m not trying to say this is an explicitly good thing, it’s just not a new concept and I don’t understand why Tyla, her team, or anyone else would think she’d be an exception to the rule when people with more experience and influence (and arguably talent) have had to deal with the same issues or far worse Tyla does not have to answer questions about race, but it’s unrealistic to expect a community of people who are continuously taken advantage of, discriminated against, and/or worse because of race to not have an unfavorable reaction to that. Especially after it was made such a big deal that she’s actually not Black
Every time she answers that she's coloured, black Americans criticise or even insult her for it. I won't fault her for trying to avoid it this time. It just didn't work out in her favour.
people don’t understand different places have different cultures & societal constructs/views shaped by their histories. if i was colored and grew up in south africa not too long after apartheid i probably would just explain that i’m not denying my blackness, but grew up in a different place that views race in a different lens than america if i had to touch on it at all. (which she already has addressed that she never denied her african ancestry, ppl take ideas projected from their own heads and run with it)
Honesty, as a South African. I dont understand why americans are sooooo obsessed about race. Tyla is coloured. She doesnt have to keep answeing questions about her race. We should be talking about her craft.
i'm latin american and have noticed the same. it looks like americans try to get rid of racism by talking about race 24/7 instead of just focusing on what people do regardless of how their race/ethnicity. if tyla is tired of the question then just stop asking it?????
I mean, I‘m a white-a$$ girlie, so I don’t really have much to add to the conversation apart from that being asked about your ethnicity, especially constantly, should not be considered “normal”. I don’t have to explain my ethnicity pretty much ever, I know a LOT of people are pressured into that ever so often, but the question really is a problem. Because nobody questions Whiteness (different story for antisemites and the like, but in general, it’s just not something “we” have to deal with/take accountability for)
this is a prime example of why ive always advocate for ppl in public situations where theyre being asked what ethnicity they are - to lie. bc nine times out of ten ppl are just being nosey. they dont care where youre from. or about the country youre from. they just wanna know why you look the way you do. its trite and tired, and ppl need to find other topics to ask folks.
I think you’re imposing a dominant paradigm of what you think is “race” based on your ideas of the USA’s hegemony and how race is weaponised sociologically as a distraction from economic exploitation. Pretty limited take.
Idk I feel like having to explain ur race, ur countries history,ur countires politics, ur country and ur countires culture each and every time u go on a interview just bc the rest of the world is extremely ignorant to a very important fact in history, yeah I think I would get annoyed to especially if every time she does, she gets torn online for it, its kind of like I understand if she wants to but I also understand if she doesn't..
This is such an L take. Being a celebrity does not mean the public has any right to ask you something whenever they feel like it. What made the Breakfast Club situation worse is that it was on the list of forbidden topics and Charlamagne brought it up anyways and she handled it respectfully. That's the missing context. And Charlamagne was clearly doing it to troll her as well.
She is going to be perpetually questioned about her identity but that doesn't mean she has to drop whatever she's doing to anyone who is curious or asks at all times. And that goes not just for identity but any information
Another thing is that Tyla has been an artist for years now. She's international, but she's very South African inspired as well as that's where her career started. So when talking about her identity, she's not only talking to Americans, she's talking to her fellow countrymen as well as the rest of the world. Americans don't want to get it rather than they don't know, that's the issue.
Ok first, being a celebrity absolutely does mean that people have the right to ask you any question at any time. Does that mean they SHOULD ask some questions or that the celebrity has to answer? No, that’s not what that means. But part of being a celebrity is literally selling your public image as a good/product and people are going to have thoughts and questions on what they’re spending their hard-earned money on. If you don’t want to deal with that, just ignore the questions and face the consequences or stop trying to be a celebrity.
Second, please stop group all Americans (especially Black Americans) in the same box. We are not all having the same conversations or interpreting this situation the same way. There are a lot of people who genuinely don’t understand South African race politics and how a term like “coloured” isn’t offensive. There are groups of Black American men fetishizing Tyla and insisting she’s Black because they have identity issues and must project Blackness onto every woman they want to have sex with. And then there are also a lot of us who understand that there is a difference between being Black and being coloured in SA and we’re trying to figure out what that means now that she’s trying to break out in the American music scene.
Which is another point I’d like to touch on actually. I’ve seen wayyy too many people acting obtuse about the fact that Tyla is specifically marketing herself to Black Americans right now. She’s not just marketing herself globally or to the American music scene in general anymore, but specifically the Black American music scene. She was on the Breakfast Club, she’s doing events with BET, she’s making sure that she’s seen with Black American musicians, and is hanging out with Black American influencers. Let’s stop acting like she’s not trying to court more Black Americans to her fanbase, because she is. And if she’s going to do that then hell yeah she’s going to have to explain her relationship with Blackness. Because we’re tired of non-Black people profiting off of us and giving us nothing in return. And coloured people in SA have a history of being racist and elitist towards Black people from what I’ve heard, so her identifying as coloured makes it even more important for Tyla to move carefully.
Also, Tyla is far from the first person to go through this and won’t be the last. Beyoncé’s race is still discussed to this day. Rihanna’s race is still being discussed to this day. They argue about Zendaya’s race in twitter every other day. To be a woman of color in the American spotlight, you have to be prepared for this and it doesn’t seem like Tyla was.
And lastly, The Breakfast Club is known for it’s shenanigans, Charlemagne’s specifically, so why wasn’t Tyla’s team expecting some type of foolishness? I’m sorry but I can’t have any sympathy for someone who’s willingly going on that platform in spite of their terrible history. Nobody with sense listens to TBC for anything other than mess. They ask people questions from their forbidden list all the time and do not care. Even bigger names than Tyla have had their wishes disregarded and been humiliated on that show, so why was her team expecting any different? Why the hell would she even go on there in the first place? Literally the only reason to go on that show is to reach Black Americans who are less online, that often have an even more convoluted idea of Blackness than those of us who are more chronically online.
There have been a lot of accusations of Black Americans not knowing or respecting South African culture and history, but it doesn’t seem like much respect or effort to understand is being given in return
Edit: corrected a “they’re” for a “their”
@@afroqueen698 if ur in any other career there are boundaries. she's a singer. she's not obligated to do anything else other than that. she doesnt have to answer any questionsa bout race and thats what she'll continue to do, good for her
@@afroqueen698 Wow very well said your written skills are top notch ❤️🔥
@@theceech Never did I say or imply that she was obligated to respond to questions, I in fact said that she does not have to and that there are some questions that people should not ask, but she is not just trying to be a singer. Tyla wants to be a public figure. She doesn’t HAVE to do anything, but just like jobs come with boundaries they also come with expectations. If you don’t meet those expectations, don’t expect that to come without pushback or to be rewarded for it. Tyla is clearly trying to build a global audience and become an international superstar. Part of being in the spotlight is having to deal with the public, because it’s not like she’s singing to herself in the shower. And she’s also not putting out music or selling concert tickets for free. It is a give and take. If she wants the fame and money, she’s gotta deal with being scrutinized. Or she can always choose a different career path.
I’m not trying to say this is an explicitly good thing, it’s just not a new concept and I don’t understand why Tyla, her team, or anyone else would think she’d be an exception to the rule when people with more experience and influence (and arguably talent) have had to deal with the same issues or far worse
Tyla does not have to answer questions about race, but it’s unrealistic to expect a community of people who are continuously taken advantage of, discriminated against, and/or worse because of race to not have an unfavorable reaction to that. Especially after it was made such a big deal that she’s actually not Black
@@llsss777 Thank you so much 💕
Every time she answers that she's coloured, black Americans criticise or even insult her for it. I won't fault her for trying to avoid it this time.
It just didn't work out in her favour.
We don’t care! The media does. She has 1 song
people don’t understand different places have different cultures & societal constructs/views shaped by their histories. if i was colored and grew up in south africa not too long after apartheid i probably would just explain that i’m not denying my blackness, but grew up in a different place that views race in a different lens than america if i had to touch on it at all. (which she already has addressed that she never denied her african ancestry, ppl take ideas projected from their own heads and run with it)
Honesty, as a South African. I dont understand why americans are sooooo obsessed about race. Tyla is coloured. She doesnt have to keep answeing questions about her race. We should be talking about her craft.
i'm latin american and have noticed the same. it looks like americans try to get rid of racism by talking about race 24/7 instead of just focusing on what people do regardless of how their race/ethnicity. if tyla is tired of the question then just stop asking it?????
fr we can recognize our similarities and differences, but first step to breaking barriers is seeing each other as simply individuals
Let it go. She's South African and coloured.
I mean, I‘m a white-a$$ girlie, so I don’t really have much to add to the conversation apart from that being asked about your ethnicity, especially constantly, should not be considered “normal”. I don’t have to explain my ethnicity pretty much ever, I know a LOT of people are pressured into that ever so often, but the question really is a problem. Because nobody questions Whiteness (different story for antisemites and the like, but in general, it’s just not something “we” have to deal with/take accountability for)
i agree completely!
Absolutely 💯 her team did not have her back. Super bizarre 😅
Tyla is allowed to set boundaries during interviews. She may have even done it in a very Breakfast club style 😅
I mean, she has been doing SO MUCH press, people are allowed to just get tired, unfortunately she got tired on a very, very loaded question
Caste is pronounced “cah-ste”.
Meghan Markle is American.
This is a fallacious argument because “Coloured” is also cultural not just racial.
this is a prime example of why ive always advocate for ppl in public situations where theyre being asked what ethnicity they are - to lie. bc nine times out of ten ppl are just being nosey. they dont care where youre from. or about the country youre from. they just wanna know why you look the way you do. its trite and tired, and ppl need to find other topics to ask folks.
I think you’re imposing a dominant paradigm of what you think is “race” based on your ideas of the USA’s hegemony and how race is weaponised sociologically as a distraction from economic exploitation.
Pretty limited take.
Idk I feel like having to explain ur race, ur countries history,ur countires politics, ur country and ur countires culture each and every time u go on a interview just bc the rest of the world is extremely ignorant to a very important fact in history, yeah I think I would get annoyed to especially if every time she does, she gets torn online for it, its kind of like I understand if she wants to but I also understand if she doesn't..
We don’t care! This girl has 1 song here! HER and the media feeds into IT! Go away
Jealous. Most racist people on planet earth is black people from America.