Love that you corrected him saying Jesus "offends" people to it "annoys" people. I am annoyed by the "just try it again and pray for real this time" narrative.
@@richardb7495in the past over a hundred or hundreds of years ago,they can't now because of laws .There's only one religion that actually does that today,I wont say it but you know.
@@WilbertLek It's happened to me. I was called stupid because I do not believe all of science is a hoax. I happen to believe I am not stupid because I don't fall for every conspiracy theory!!
I wonder if there was a time when tomatoes were more fruity. Maybe all the good ones died out from over farming, like bananas. Perhaps we're eating the plantain of the tomato genus.
@@ephreI would have expected the opposite personally. Fruit is being genetically modified to be sweeter to the point where certain health agencies are saying it should be a treat in moderation due to it's sugar content
Another good way of explaining at 12:48 is that animals evolved around their prey and predators even though they still evolved. independently. The food chain built itself.
Animals all start out as first order consumers. One day, an animal population evolves in such a way it can digest and repurpose other animal tissue, becoming the first predator. It becomes incredibly successful. Other animal populations get whittled down until only those who happened to be fast or tough or strong enough to avoid predation survive. Voila, your responsive prey populations!
"How did that happen, and don't give me the answer of how it happened." An awful lot of "in my opinion" from a guy who then demands evidence from the other side.
This Christian has never spoken to someone that doesn't already believe the nonsense he believes or if he has, he never listened to a single word in opposition.
"If we had to start over on a new planet and we could only bring ten books, I don't think the bible would be one of them." Savage Planet Quote From Captain Planet himself 🔥
New testament and old testament,there's actually a huge difference tbh,im shocked this guy didn't even mention that Jesus*who is the father * came a said that some of these old rules have to go and now it's easier to follow and simpler.its so strange that when planet brought up some of the terrible rules of the old and said it as the entire rule of the Bible he didn't tell him that Jesus said don't do that anymore so christians stopped doing those thousands of years ago.
@@b_itachigaming2563 no, it's like you don't read your Bible. Jesus never said some of the old rules have to go. He literally says None of it will change until the end times. And regardless your in a bad position because that would just prove that morality in Christianity is subjective.
Christian complains about being called stupid and a fool while observing that atheists spend the time to argue against something they don't believe exists. There are a lot of reason I think theists are stupid or ignorant, but this continued inability to understand why atheists would spend time arguing against theists when they don't even believe God is real has got to be one of those at the top. I understand it feeds into their persecution complex, but even pretending not to understand this concept demonstrates a diminished ability to think critically and a lack of curiousness. But here is a hint to get this guy started - No one is arguing this is a "Unicorn nation" and that the very nature of our culture and laws are built on the reality and desires of unicorns. No one is arguing that our morality is derived from or that people's behaviors should be regulated because Unicorns. And even more importantly, no one is teaching their kids that the way to understand the world they live in (and how they can know anything about it) is through their personal relationship with Unicorns or that they can trust ancient books that are, at best "big fish stories" about the miraculous romping's of majestic, four-legged, horned beasts .
It's even better when you point out, just how much better the evidence is for single horned horse like animal, compared to the evidence for carpenter wizards and magic ghosts. One pastor who trapped me in a laundry mat, got so angry, I thought he was going to hit me😅
Yeah, because none of us former Theists have ever prayed to god or jesus asking for evidence or proof or faith etc., especially not when we started to lose our faith. They really think you or I or any of us have never asked god for guidance or proof or anything before?
46:46 Will Jesus didn't make any sacrifices. A sacrifice would mean that you're losing something. Before Jesus was human he is what he is now. All he did was become human for 30 years and then go back to what he was before. He didn't sacrifice anything. That'd be like I live in America, I go on vacation and Europe, then I come back to America. And somehow that vacation in Europe and me coming back to America is a sacrifice. That's all Jesus did.
It's funny because you can tell they're tuned out when they start bringing up chat. Like you're in an active discussion and you're checking chat? It's like being on a date and flipping through your phone.
Who cares if the Church set the years after what they thought was Jesus' birth? That's does't prove that Jesus was supernatiural (nor does it even prove or disprove Jesus existed at all). The idea that Jesus was born in the year 1 didn't come about until 500+ years after Jesus supposedly was born. People living in (what we call) the year 100, 200, or 300 AD didn't consider that the they were living in was 100, 200, or 300 AD.
This guy seems to forget.... He's ALMOST as much of an atheist as we are. He only believes one of the 5,000 plus religions that are out there, while we believe none. He's 99.9999999% of a classical definition of an atheist.
My roommates and I have a symbiotic relationship. I provide them a place to live, they provide me with money for rent. Surely this couldnt have come about through time and chance. This HAD to be designed by someone all-powerful
"You realize it's 2023 years since Jesus, right?" You realize it's Wednesday, right? Which is an anglicanization of Woden's Day (Odin), right? So then the Norse gods have historical evidence.
Exactly this. I *hate* thatbdumb Christians find this to be some kind of inarguable gotcha. As if days of the week aren't named after Norse gods and the planets aren't named after Roman gods. Dumb people arrogantly delivering 'gotchas' that don't fucking work *really* winds me up!
Don’t we now have CE (Common Era) and ACE (After Common Era) for time now we also don’t know the date of Jesus’s birth and christmas was stolen from the Pagans minus santa claus and Jesus’s birth they stole the christmas tree, wreaths etc… Kings 2, 2 : 23-35 is the prophet Elisha calling IN THE NAME OF GOD so he granted it for two bears to to come down maul 42 boys for calling him…. “Baldy!!”
Anything from Numbers just flies in the face of supposed unchanging, universal morality. Sex slaves as spoils of war, whether they were literal children or not, were commanded to be taken. By Moses.
Writing Revelations in code so the autorities would not destroy it is pretty presumptious. As if the autorities even cared what an obscure little group of people thought. The only things that occured to the autorities was: Is the peace disturbed or not and are the taxes paid.
That and the Great Unconformity. It proves the earth was covered almost entirely in ice for like 750 million years. The whole "geologic column" is on top of it.
I couldn't finish watching this. It made me too angry how nice you wee to this guy who was being absolutely terrible to you. My ears got red when he kept trying to flip the burden of proof. Because he has such an immature understanding of the nature of knowledge. And like ALL the others presupposes their personal beliefs are the default position. Not a single humble person amongst the highly religious.
The AD and BC bit is a little off because it technically was coined by a Christian Monk attempting to establish a Christian chronolgy to get away from the pagan AUC dating system and consular dating... so pedantically debating whether it means "Before/After Christ" instead of the original AnnoDomini and the English extension/application of BC as "Before Christ" isn't productive outside of simply accepting that yes, some Christian scholar devised a new dating paradigm that eventually was broadly accepted by western cultures due to the success of Catholics conquering and converting various cultures 700-1300 CE. But accepting that a Christian scholar's dating paradigm doesn't inherently serve as evidence to the veracity of Christian paranormal claims.
7:57 "[Year] of what?" Year of the beginning of the calendar created and retroactively assigned by a Christian government in the 16th century that controlled most of Europe, that influenced much of its surrounding cultures, who later adopted that calendar, that arbitrarily chose a date based on their belief of when a person they believed was their messiah supposedly was born, and not based on any actual empirical or historical facts (even relating to said figure), and is just a small modification (in addition to the change in starting year) to the Julian calendar that was in effect from mid 40s BCE until the late 1500s when Pope Gregory ordered the change over. Islam has its own calendar, but didn't conquer the world and force its calendar upon the world like Christianity did. Same with the far eastern nations of China, Japan, etc. So the beginning date is meaningless, except to say that Christians who were in power changed the the beginning date to reinforce their own beliefs (and to have a more accurate calendar for religious practices). Doesn't mean that person actually existed, and the historicity of Jesus is entirely moot to why year 1 is what it is. Such a stupid argument. And then I un-paused and the guy said year 1 was based on the death and resurrection of Jesus...wow... 28:20 This is always so stupid, too. These people say "just truly, sincerely repent and ask Jesus to enter your heart, and pray for forgiveness, and Jesus will come to you", and when you genuinely, truly, sincerely attempt it, and nothing happens, these same people will come back and say you didn't truly, or sincerely, or genuinely, or whatever, try, and blame you for it not working, blame you not trying to make it work, and come up with any excuse to justify why you didn't experience what they think you would. It's deception. Further, it's also manipulation, to try to get you to psych yourself up to have an emotional reaction to the act of prayer so that if you do have an emotional reaction, you'll just accept his claim that it was actually Jesus, or a god, or whatever. It's just layers of deception. (Okay, and you pointed that out, partially, when you mentioned "preloaded", so yeah, thank you for making that point.) 30:50 He says he read the Quran, when he hasn't even read the Bible... Dude says he prayed that Jesus wasn't real....to Jesus? He says he was agnostic in college and prayed that Jesus wasn't real because he didn't want to believe in the Christian God... And I know that to him, agnostic is a label for some false middle ground between theism and atheism, because he screams ignorance, based on the calendar stuff alone but also the Kalam and fine-tuning arguments, and the misunderstanding of abiogenesis, chemistry, and evolution he has demonstrated thus far. 34:15 If you're used to negative comments, why do you keep responding to the negative comments? I'm used to my skin being wet in the shower, but I don't say "what is this sensation? Why does this keep happening?", especially each time... Also, they're saying you're being foolish and stupid because you are, in fact, being stupid and foolish... You literally said AD meant "after death", having no clue that Jesus supposedly was born in 4-6 BC (or BCE for those of us without religious motivations to perpetuate Christian indoctrination) and supposedly died in 30-35 AD (typically cited as 33 AD), and that the calendar was created in the late 1500s and retroactively labeled as 1 AD years after Jesus' supposed birth. You make the stupid fine-tuning argument, which assumes the fine-tuning has to come from a god, then asserts there is fine-tuning to conclude there is a god, and the Kalam, which assumes that the way the universe works now is how the universe had to have worked "at its beginning" (while also asserting the universe, which it means cosmos in that context, did have a beginning, so whatever existed before the big bang had to have a beginning, which there is no evidence of, and kind of needs a "nothing" to exist, which scientists aren't convinced a philosophical nothing can exist in any meaningful way). You're saying stupid stuff, especially the "just truly pray to Jesus, and you'll come to Jesus" stuff, which you have to know every charlatan (oh, sorry, apologist...) of every religion (albeit, different recipients, so not Jesus, but some god or "higher power" nonetheless) says as if it actually works (as in a causal relationship, not "some people say it worked"). It's a manipulation, and it's stupid. Don't get me wrong, stupid things do convince a lot of people, but that doesn't mean it is any less stupid. And why do they care enough to call you stupid? Because they're watching you, they care about the truth, and see you're making stupid statements. You brought up the calendar as a "gotcha" piece of evidence for Jesus (and thus God and Christianity), without knowing the basics of that calendar. You just thought "oh, AD means after Jesus' death, and that'll prove it to him"....that's stupid, and people who care about the truth see that it's stupid and call it out. As far as caring about the topic, if it was true that a god exist, then it may be the most important fact there is, so investigating the veracity of truth claims merits some consideration. Plus, I find it hilarious when people act like idiots to say "nuh unh, god does exist" while denying things we actually see, like evolution, geology and archaeology that shows the Bible isn't true (with regard to Noah's flood, the Hebrew exodus out of Egyptian slavery, origin of languages and their evolution, cultural origins around the world, age of earth, animal origin and diversity inaccuracy of Genesis, etc), of chemistry (to deny abiogenesis because it contradicts the Bible's claims of animal origins), and most of every fact we see in an effort to undermine our existing knowledge to fill that gap with God, that end up falling back to "if you truly pray, you'll convert"...it's hilarious, because it's stupid, and that humor is why I care. Plus, I don't like that people are lying to discredit science. I care about the truth, and science has been the most consistently reliable path to truth, so this anti-intellectualism and anti-science attitude of religion advocates, that have to deceive and manipulate people in pursuit of that anti-intellectualism and anti-science advocacy, disturbs me, and many others. So why do we care? Because we're tired of your lying. We care about the truth, because our species has evolved to value truth, because it aids in our species' survival, and you're attacking the very bedrock of our species, the value for accurate assessments of our environments, using lies and manipulations. Why do we care about this god claim? Because you clearly don't care about the truth. Liar. People would absolutely make fun of people professing unicorns to be real, just like they do with cryptozoology (big foot, Loch Ness, etc) and alien abductions. He's a liar, and now I know he knows it. 37:50 As far as "objective truth in philosophy", philosophy doesn't have "objective truth" (which is a tautology anyway, as truth is that which comports with reality, so it's merely attributes/characteristics/behaviors of the reality), but rather philosophy discusses truth and proposes definitions of truth that would allow for subjectivity. No, the laws of logic are not objective because they are descriptions that humans created to describe how the universe behaves, and those behaviors being describes are objective truths because those behaviors would occur independent of any minds (as far as we can tell, because there's no evidence of minds outside the universe, and no evidence that minds can exist without physical forms to enact said minds, as a mind seems to merely be the brain doing stuff, as evidenced by the mind going away when the brain stops doing stuff). Philosophy isn't unrelated to science, so his premise is false. "If philosophy is unrelated to science, why do you believe in any philosophy" is faulty, because of the false premise and because the predicate has philosophy in that sentence's context describing how people think and the values they hold to rather than a prescriptive outlook, of which science is a rational investigation (how people think, albeit less subjective due to grounding how they think in repeatable, demonstrable observations of facts) based on the value of seeking truth, so the predicate is a contradiction to the premise. And philosophy is a precursor to science, very much informing science of rational methodologies for pursuing truth, and has provided the foundations, such as the laws of logic, upon which science could be built and improved upon. So they are not unrelated. They are distinct fields, but that doesn't mean they are unrelated. Peterson points this out, and I appreciate his accuracy.
"Can you prove that god doesn't exist?" And with that one question, another theist proves himself to be a 1 Peter 3:15 failure. It's not our job to disprove your god's existence. It's every thinking person's job to withhold belief until you can show evidence of your god's existence.
1. Agreed, but it can be a valid response if someone asserts categorically 'god doesn't exist'. The one making the claim has the burden of proof. Or you could take the flerf position 'I make no claim, I lack belief', which is actually the atheist position. 2. For those not familiar with 1st Peter 3:15 - "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." (NIV). (a) what is to be provided is an 'answer' or 'reply' (gr. 'apologia') - not 'proof' as we currently use the word. (b) the words translated 'reason for' (gr. 'logos peri') have a wide range of meanings, none of them relating to what we now call 'logic'. (c) The word translated 'hope' (gr. 'elpis') differs from the words translated as 'faith' and 'trust' (all three are used in1st Peter 1:21) What is being demanded of believers here is not what a cursory reading might suggest to a modern debater.
Bc and Ad are biblical, which is a shame it's so heavy because we have no proof which would mean the whole years and calendars are designed on something that doesn't probably exist. Through this video I actually have now learnt BCE and CE though which seems like a much better system
@9:30 What would the year be when J was 12 ? assuming he was born 4 BCE it would be Ad Urbe Condata 761 or during the consulship of Marcus Furius Camillus & Sextus Nonius Quinctilianus The Anno Domini count was not introduced for about 500 years by Dionysius Exiguus quote: Verily the holy Cyril began the first cycle from the 143rd year of Diocletian and ended in the 247th year, rather than commence by the leader in the 248th year from the Tyrant, we did not wish to include in our circle the memory of an impious and persecutor, but we chose above to mark the time from the year of the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. The table devised by Dionysius began at 513 AD which was 229 years after the start reign of Diocletian. He marked the first 229 years as “Anno Diocletiani.” Then at 532 AD he changed the acronym to mean “Anni Domini nostri Jesu Christi.” His table ends at 626 AD with no reference to the reign of Diocletian.
There is something wrong with this caller: he keeps saying he feels the need to repent and thinks that without the belief in God there would be nothing stopping him from raping and murdering. Someone call the police cos I think they need to investigate this guy.
It’s really quite clear that christianity is just like Santa and the tooth fairy etc. but they forget that when you grow up and understand what imagination is you shouldn’t believe in it any more…
"Waaah, people won't listen to me and think how I think and believe what I believe. They're so ARROGANT! But not me I'm so humble UwU" - this Bible Thumper.
"The Earth is 75% water.", states the theist in supremely confident incorrectness. 71% of the Earth's surface is covered by water. Water makes 0.05% of Earth's mass. Once again: Where did the water go?
The smallest strand of DNA is a single nucleotide which consists of a single base (adenine, thymine, cytosine, or guanine). It's extremely simple and compared to it a computer processor is infinitely more complex.
the "god sacrificed his only son" argument is so stupid. God / Jesus did not sacrifice anything for anyone for the same reason Superman cannot be considered "brave" They know they're invincible and immortal so there is no fear at all. If "god" would have sacrificed Jesus and Jesus would have stayed dead maybe you can say he sacrificed him but he only inconvenience him for a few days.
Well, we're again returning to the question of what came before time which is a wholly incoherent question. Without time there is no before, you can't have temporal concept without time. Since time requires space and is a feature of the universe the universe has literally existed for all time and nothing came before it.
My favorite argument against God is the lack of a possibility for the soul. Without a soul, basically every relevant God claim falls apart because there's no eternity in hell/heaven/etc. to be concerned with. *edit: Also, I think the idea worship is silly and demanding it is fundamentally immoral. So, that destroys any idea of a good God that demands worship or rewards it.
If something exists outside of space and time there‘s no way formany changes to happen. At all. So that existence could not even think let alone act or do anything if time wasn’t a thing in its environment
Your in 2024 was there not a 0000?and he was dumb cause he didn't know much even tho he brought it up.I bet you don't know when 0000 started,Google it and edit your comment lol
All this calendar stuff proves is that the people in charge of creating the calendar were Christian.. July and August were added to our calendar to honor Caesar.. What does this prove?
That is so stupid because the use of BC and AD are only used for calendars in western judeo-christian nations. If you are in China, India, Japan etc... BC and AD aren't used.
I hate when these guys pretend to be debating anything and then just spend time preaching. The guy literally just said he prayed in the hopes that god didn't exist.
No matter how many hours theists ramble on, and now it's been thousands upon thousands of hours of such apologetics, none of them ever have a single thing to say that comports with reality and is convincing that their imaginary friends are actually real.
"When jeebus was 12, what year was it?" 🤦🏻♂️ That question isn't the gotcha he thinks it is. If jeebus was born between 6 and 4 bce, let's split the difference, and call it 5 bce. So, when jeebus was 12, the year was 3756, according to the Hebrews. 🤷🏻♂️
"I just want to turn you into a theist" why? these people go around trying to force world views on people, then don't understand why they get backlash. immediately after this statement, "Bro, this chat is negative"
god I'm so sick of people who don't understand that _agnostic_ and _atheist_ are not mutually exclusive. Gnosis = knowledge | Gnostic = can know | Agnostic = cannot know Theism = belief in god or gods | Theist = believes in god or gods | Atheist = does not believe in god or gods it's that simple
I absolutely agree with your take on Jordan Peterson. He actually addresses some serious social problems but at the same time he's a crazy wacko. It's a weird mix of extremes.
What little Jordan PeterSon gets right is pedestrian and has been covered more cogently by better thinkers. The rest is just reactionary ideology and personal gripes he treats like profound truths.
The best evidence of god not existing i have is childhood cancer or any other such diseases. If god was good, he would not have allowed such things to exist, unless he is evil.
"Why would Jesus sacrifice himself for everyone that he didn't know, or wasn't related to?" Well, Jesus went around saying that he was the king of kings or son of god, and when he was asked to confirm or deny that, he just claimed ignorance (by saying "you say so"). The GOD of the old testament went through extreme length to prove how powerful and mighty he was, but the other 1/3 of the trinity didn't even try to prove his divinity and therefore based on the Roman laws he was crucified for insulting the Roman emperor and the roman deities. If all humanity was facing the threat of extinction from a supernatural power and Jesus offered his life as an exchange for sparing Earth and his habitants, and that supernatural power was benefiting from killing Jesus, than it would have been a proper sacrifice. But The Jesus NPC respawned after 3 days (By definition, in any human language, that doesn't count as a sacrifice). In the movie "The avengers" Thanos sacrificed his daughter Gamora. That is a proper sacrifice. She did come back to life but that was due to the Avengers using the infinity stones again. Thanos sacrificed the life of his adopted daughter whom he loved more than anything in the entire universe and he did it knowingly that he would never see her again. On the other hand, Jesus, is like a debt collector that paid for your debt and now he is saying that he did it out of the goodness of his heart but if you don't do as he says and don't worship him, you will burn to hell for all eternity. Doesn't seem like a person that is loving me unconditionally (agape love - from the koine Greek ). If you use reason and logic as you reed the bible, than nothing makes sense.
You could HOPE for it because it might be nice. It would be nice to think there is such as thing as eventual justice, hope for the dead, etc. But yes, you can't just assume it.
Every time this guy is backed into a corner, he moves the goalposts another notch down the list of apologetics greatest hits
claim after claim....that are supported by a claim by claiming the bibles claim is a good claim ....
My favorite is "our minds can't comprehend that" while fucking making declarative statements.
go into your room tonight
"You are asking me to believe in your 1 God while you yourself dont believe in the other 1000 gods"
Love that you corrected him saying Jesus "offends" people to it "annoys" people. I am annoyed by the "just try it again and pray for real this time" narrative.
this is the distiction that people need to understand. Im glad he distinguished
It is quite offensive though, to suggest that someone is stupid for not accepting a fairy tale as reality.
Also religious people and churches have inflicted lots of harm on some of us. This is a fact
@@richardb7495in the past over a hundred or hundreds of years ago,they can't now because of laws .There's only one religion that actually does that today,I wont say it but you know.
@@WilbertLek It's happened to me. I was called stupid because I do not believe all of science is a hoax. I happen to believe I am not stupid because I don't fall for every conspiracy theory!!
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in fruit salad...
Look, you ruin a fruit salad the way you want, I'll ruin a fruit salad the way I want.
I like this, I may use it in the future
I wonder if there was a time when tomatoes were more fruity. Maybe all the good ones died out from over farming, like bananas. Perhaps we're eating the plantain of the tomato genus.
@@ephreI would have expected the opposite personally. Fruit is being genetically modified to be sweeter to the point where certain health agencies are saying it should be a treat in moderation due to it's sugar content
Brilliant 😂
Another good way of explaining at 12:48 is that animals evolved around their prey and predators even though they still evolved. independently. The food chain built itself.
Animals all start out as first order consumers. One day, an animal population evolves in such a way it can digest and repurpose other animal tissue, becoming the first predator. It becomes incredibly successful. Other animal populations get whittled down until only those who happened to be fast or tough or strong enough to avoid predation survive. Voila, your responsive prey populations!
"I'm actually asking cause I don't know"
Then maybe you shouldn't have been trying to argue a point based on what A.D. stands for if you don't know.
This guy straight up said "blessed are the gullible" oh dear
Thick is a word that comes to mind when I listen to this caller!
I listened to half an hour and I thought he was arrogant teenager. Then I saw the screen and realised he's a grown man.
Oh. My. God.
"I didn't even want to believe that a god was rell, like, at all." 😂😂😂
I was looking at the screen, didn’t even realize he was there until I read this 😂
"How did that happen, and don't give me the answer of how it happened."
An awful lot of "in my opinion" from a guy who then demands evidence from the other side.
This Christian has never spoken to someone that doesn't already believe the nonsense he believes or if he has, he never listened to a single word in opposition.
"If we had to start over on a new planet and we could only bring ten books, I don't think the bible would be one of them."
Savage Planet Quote From Captain Planet himself 🔥
New testament and old testament,there's actually a huge difference tbh,im shocked this guy didn't even mention that Jesus*who is the father * came a said that some of these old rules have to go and now it's easier to follow and simpler.its so strange that when planet brought up some of the terrible rules of the old and said it as the entire rule of the Bible he didn't tell him that Jesus said don't do that anymore so christians stopped doing those thousands of years ago.
@@b_itachigaming2563 no, it's like you don't read your Bible. Jesus never said some of the old rules have to go. He literally says None of it will change until the end times.
And regardless your in a bad position because that would just prove that morality in Christianity is subjective.
You've the patience of a saint.
You mean of course an Atheist activist.
@@WilbertLek Yep, atheist activists are patient. They have to be, because most believers are knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing morons.
Christian complains about being called stupid and a fool while observing that atheists spend the time to argue against something they don't believe exists. There are a lot of reason I think theists are stupid or ignorant, but this continued inability to understand why atheists would spend time arguing against theists when they don't even believe God is real has got to be one of those at the top.
I understand it feeds into their persecution complex, but even pretending not to understand this concept demonstrates a diminished ability to think critically and a lack of curiousness.
But here is a hint to get this guy started - No one is arguing this is a "Unicorn nation" and that the very nature of our culture and laws are built on the reality and desires of unicorns. No one is arguing that our morality is derived from or that people's behaviors should be regulated because Unicorns.
And even more importantly, no one is teaching their kids that the way to understand the world they live in (and how they can know anything about it) is through their personal relationship with Unicorns or that they can trust ancient books that are, at best "big fish stories" about the miraculous romping's of majestic, four-legged, horned beasts .
It's even better when you point out, just how much better the evidence is for single horned horse like animal, compared to the evidence for carpenter wizards and magic ghosts. One pastor who trapped me in a laundry mat, got so angry, I thought he was going to hit me😅
Yeah, because none of us former Theists have ever prayed to god or jesus asking for evidence or proof or faith etc., especially not when we started to lose our faith. They really think you or I or any of us have never asked god for guidance or proof or anything before?
They think they are only true scottsman
@@Kulascus While knowing little about being Scottish
46:46 Will Jesus didn't make any sacrifices. A sacrifice would mean that you're losing something. Before Jesus was human he is what he is now. All he did was become human for 30 years and then go back to what he was before. He didn't sacrifice anything. That'd be like I live in America, I go on vacation and Europe, then I come back to America. And somehow that vacation in Europe and me coming back to America is a sacrifice. That's all Jesus did.
I agree but let's be real, having to leave Europe to come back to America IS a pretty big sacrifice.
If he knew he was god then he knew there would be no sacrifice.
This channel is underrated
It's funny because you can tell they're tuned out when they start bringing up chat. Like you're in an active discussion and you're checking chat? It's like being on a date and flipping through your phone.
You can special plead for any God. You just gotta make sure to fill in all the gaps.
Who cares if the Church set the years after what they thought was Jesus' birth? That's does't prove that Jesus was supernatiural (nor does it even prove or disprove Jesus existed at all).
The idea that Jesus was born in the year 1 didn't come about until 500+ years after Jesus supposedly was born. People living in (what we call) the year 100, 200, or 300 AD didn't consider that the they were living in was 100, 200, or 300 AD.
This guy seems to forget.... He's ALMOST as much of an atheist as we are. He only believes one of the 5,000 plus religions that are out there, while we believe none. He's 99.9999999% of a classical definition of an atheist.
He didn't forget it, it's just a terrible argument.
Cause no other religion got actually evidence.He didn't know that evidence and hopped on this podcast Like he did,it's sad asfq
It was never the year 12. In the 6th century they retro fitted the dates to when they calculated christ was born.
He is conflating love and empathy
47:50 comparing parts of the Bible with other pop culture is always hilarious.
My roommates and I have a symbiotic relationship. I provide them a place to live, they provide me with money for rent. Surely this couldnt have come about through time and chance. This HAD to be designed by someone all-powerful
"You realize it's 2023 years since Jesus, right?"
You realize it's Wednesday, right? Which is an anglicanization of Woden's Day (Odin), right?
So then the Norse gods have historical evidence.
i’ve heard that before as evidence. it’s depressing
It's Thor's Day as I'm reading this
Exactly this. I *hate* thatbdumb Christians find this to be some kind of inarguable gotcha.
As if days of the week aren't named after Norse gods and the planets aren't named after Roman gods.
Dumb people arrogantly delivering 'gotchas' that don't fucking work *really* winds me up!
"I admit you're a smart guy, but you're dumb for not accepting the Bible like I do"
didn't even know what AD is
Don’t we now have CE (Common Era) and ACE (After Common Era) for time now we also don’t know the date of Jesus’s birth and christmas was stolen from the Pagans minus santa claus and Jesus’s birth they stole the christmas tree, wreaths etc… Kings 2, 2 : 23-35 is the prophet Elisha calling IN THE NAME OF GOD so he granted it for two bears to to come down maul 42 boys for calling him…. “Baldy!!”
Anything from Numbers just flies in the face of supposed unchanging, universal morality. Sex slaves as spoils of war, whether they were literal children or not, were commanded to be taken. By Moses.
Writing Revelations in code so the autorities would not destroy it is pretty presumptious. As if the autorities even cared what an obscure little group of people thought.
The only things that occured to the autorities was: Is the peace disturbed or not and are the taxes paid.
Especially since they claim the goverments is supported by god...
55:00 The big issue with the flood is you have a heat problem.
If the flood covered the whole world how did all of them survive at over 25000 feet
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one of the many big issues
Gutsick Gibbon has done great videos on this subject
That and the Great Unconformity. It proves the earth was covered almost entirely in ice for like 750 million years. The whole "geologic column" is on top of it.
The first ten minutes of that are so god damn frustrating lol
It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled
I couldn't finish watching this. It made me too angry how nice you wee to this guy who was being absolutely terrible to you. My ears got red when he kept trying to flip the burden of proof. Because he has such an immature understanding of the nature of knowledge. And like ALL the others presupposes their personal beliefs are the default position. Not a single humble person amongst the highly religious.
Being mad with the guy is pointless, he's indoctrinated and can't see past his nose
It's interesting how horrible and cruel these people can be but think they're being nice and fair.
His willful ignorance is offensive.
one bad argument after the other from this guest
Technically, Jesus just relocated himself. And it was at best assisted suicide.
The AD and BC bit is a little off because it technically was coined by a Christian Monk attempting to establish a Christian chronolgy to get away from the pagan AUC dating system and consular dating... so pedantically debating whether it means "Before/After Christ" instead of the original AnnoDomini and the English extension/application of BC as "Before Christ" isn't productive outside of simply accepting that yes, some Christian scholar devised a new dating paradigm that eventually was broadly accepted by western cultures due to the success of Catholics conquering and converting various cultures 700-1300 CE. But accepting that a Christian scholar's dating paradigm doesn't inherently serve as evidence to the veracity of Christian paranormal claims.
If Jesus was so important to early Christians then why didn’t they keep track of when he was born?
I've had more mystical experiences as a wiccan and now as an atheist than I ever did as a Christian.
he doesnt understand how erosion happens
7:57 "[Year] of what?"
Year of the beginning of the calendar created and retroactively assigned by a Christian government in the 16th century that controlled most of Europe, that influenced much of its surrounding cultures, who later adopted that calendar, that arbitrarily chose a date based on their belief of when a person they believed was their messiah supposedly was born, and not based on any actual empirical or historical facts (even relating to said figure), and is just a small modification (in addition to the change in starting year) to the Julian calendar that was in effect from mid 40s BCE until the late 1500s when Pope Gregory ordered the change over.
Islam has its own calendar, but didn't conquer the world and force its calendar upon the world like Christianity did. Same with the far eastern nations of China, Japan, etc.
So the beginning date is meaningless, except to say that Christians who were in power changed the the beginning date to reinforce their own beliefs (and to have a more accurate calendar for religious practices). Doesn't mean that person actually existed, and the historicity of Jesus is entirely moot to why year 1 is what it is. Such a stupid argument.
And then I un-paused and the guy said year 1 was based on the death and resurrection of Jesus...wow...
28:20 This is always so stupid, too. These people say "just truly, sincerely repent and ask Jesus to enter your heart, and pray for forgiveness, and Jesus will come to you", and when you genuinely, truly, sincerely attempt it, and nothing happens, these same people will come back and say you didn't truly, or sincerely, or genuinely, or whatever, try, and blame you for it not working, blame you not trying to make it work, and come up with any excuse to justify why you didn't experience what they think you would. It's deception. Further, it's also manipulation, to try to get you to psych yourself up to have an emotional reaction to the act of prayer so that if you do have an emotional reaction, you'll just accept his claim that it was actually Jesus, or a god, or whatever. It's just layers of deception. (Okay, and you pointed that out, partially, when you mentioned "preloaded", so yeah, thank you for making that point.)
30:50 He says he read the Quran, when he hasn't even read the Bible... Dude says he prayed that Jesus wasn't real....to Jesus? He says he was agnostic in college and prayed that Jesus wasn't real because he didn't want to believe in the Christian God... And I know that to him, agnostic is a label for some false middle ground between theism and atheism, because he screams ignorance, based on the calendar stuff alone but also the Kalam and fine-tuning arguments, and the misunderstanding of abiogenesis, chemistry, and evolution he has demonstrated thus far.
34:15 If you're used to negative comments, why do you keep responding to the negative comments? I'm used to my skin being wet in the shower, but I don't say "what is this sensation? Why does this keep happening?", especially each time... Also, they're saying you're being foolish and stupid because you are, in fact, being stupid and foolish... You literally said AD meant "after death", having no clue that Jesus supposedly was born in 4-6 BC (or BCE for those of us without religious motivations to perpetuate Christian indoctrination) and supposedly died in 30-35 AD (typically cited as 33 AD), and that the calendar was created in the late 1500s and retroactively labeled as 1 AD years after Jesus' supposed birth. You make the stupid fine-tuning argument, which assumes the fine-tuning has to come from a god, then asserts there is fine-tuning to conclude there is a god, and the Kalam, which assumes that the way the universe works now is how the universe had to have worked "at its beginning" (while also asserting the universe, which it means cosmos in that context, did have a beginning, so whatever existed before the big bang had to have a beginning, which there is no evidence of, and kind of needs a "nothing" to exist, which scientists aren't convinced a philosophical nothing can exist in any meaningful way). You're saying stupid stuff, especially the "just truly pray to Jesus, and you'll come to Jesus" stuff, which you have to know every charlatan (oh, sorry, apologist...) of every religion (albeit, different recipients, so not Jesus, but some god or "higher power" nonetheless) says as if it actually works (as in a causal relationship, not "some people say it worked"). It's a manipulation, and it's stupid. Don't get me wrong, stupid things do convince a lot of people, but that doesn't mean it is any less stupid. And why do they care enough to call you stupid? Because they're watching you, they care about the truth, and see you're making stupid statements. You brought up the calendar as a "gotcha" piece of evidence for Jesus (and thus God and Christianity), without knowing the basics of that calendar. You just thought "oh, AD means after Jesus' death, and that'll prove it to him"....that's stupid, and people who care about the truth see that it's stupid and call it out. As far as caring about the topic, if it was true that a god exist, then it may be the most important fact there is, so investigating the veracity of truth claims merits some consideration. Plus, I find it hilarious when people act like idiots to say "nuh unh, god does exist" while denying things we actually see, like evolution, geology and archaeology that shows the Bible isn't true (with regard to Noah's flood, the Hebrew exodus out of Egyptian slavery, origin of languages and their evolution, cultural origins around the world, age of earth, animal origin and diversity inaccuracy of Genesis, etc), of chemistry (to deny abiogenesis because it contradicts the Bible's claims of animal origins), and most of every fact we see in an effort to undermine our existing knowledge to fill that gap with God, that end up falling back to "if you truly pray, you'll convert"...it's hilarious, because it's stupid, and that humor is why I care. Plus, I don't like that people are lying to discredit science. I care about the truth, and science has been the most consistently reliable path to truth, so this anti-intellectualism and anti-science attitude of religion advocates, that have to deceive and manipulate people in pursuit of that anti-intellectualism and anti-science advocacy, disturbs me, and many others. So why do we care? Because we're tired of your lying. We care about the truth, because our species has evolved to value truth, because it aids in our species' survival, and you're attacking the very bedrock of our species, the value for accurate assessments of our environments, using lies and manipulations. Why do we care about this god claim? Because you clearly don't care about the truth.
Liar. People would absolutely make fun of people professing unicorns to be real, just like they do with cryptozoology (big foot, Loch Ness, etc) and alien abductions. He's a liar, and now I know he knows it.
37:50 As far as "objective truth in philosophy", philosophy doesn't have "objective truth" (which is a tautology anyway, as truth is that which comports with reality, so it's merely attributes/characteristics/behaviors of the reality), but rather philosophy discusses truth and proposes definitions of truth that would allow for subjectivity.
No, the laws of logic are not objective because they are descriptions that humans created to describe how the universe behaves, and those behaviors being describes are objective truths because those behaviors would occur independent of any minds (as far as we can tell, because there's no evidence of minds outside the universe, and no evidence that minds can exist without physical forms to enact said minds, as a mind seems to merely be the brain doing stuff, as evidenced by the mind going away when the brain stops doing stuff).
Philosophy isn't unrelated to science, so his premise is false. "If philosophy is unrelated to science, why do you believe in any philosophy" is faulty, because of the false premise and because the predicate has philosophy in that sentence's context describing how people think and the values they hold to rather than a prescriptive outlook, of which science is a rational investigation (how people think, albeit less subjective due to grounding how they think in repeatable, demonstrable observations of facts) based on the value of seeking truth, so the predicate is a contradiction to the premise. And philosophy is a precursor to science, very much informing science of rational methodologies for pursuing truth, and has provided the foundations, such as the laws of logic, upon which science could be built and improved upon. So they are not unrelated. They are distinct fields, but that doesn't mean they are unrelated. Peterson points this out, and I appreciate his accuracy.
2:52 dudes about to drop his mic 😂
This was painful 🤦♂️
Praying that Jesus isn't real is the dumbass thing ever, especially if you don't believe he exists in the first place
i don’t expect them to make sense anymore
"Can you prove that god doesn't exist?"
And with that one question, another theist proves himself to be a 1 Peter 3:15 failure.
It's not our job to disprove your god's existence. It's every thinking person's job to withhold belief until you can show evidence of your god's existence.
This goes over every "gods-believers" head.
1. Agreed, but it can be a valid response if someone asserts categorically 'god doesn't exist'. The one making the claim has the burden of proof. Or you could take the flerf position 'I make no claim, I lack belief', which is actually the atheist position.
2. For those not familiar with 1st Peter 3:15 - "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." (NIV).
(a) what is to be provided is an 'answer' or 'reply' (gr. 'apologia') - not 'proof' as we currently use the word.
(b) the words translated 'reason for' (gr. 'logos peri') have a wide range of meanings, none of them relating to what we now call 'logic'.
(c) The word translated 'hope' (gr. 'elpis') differs from the words translated as 'faith' and 'trust' (all three are used in1st Peter 1:21)
What is being demanded of believers here is not what a cursory reading might suggest to a modern debater.
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Only positive claims. About existence...
@@alancrabbdepends on god. Christian god from a bible is for sure not true. Other gods - depends
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If you can make anything a "supreme being", nothing is.
Bc and Ad are biblical, which is a shame it's so heavy because we have no proof which would mean the whole years and calendars are designed on something that doesn't probably exist. Through this video I actually have now learnt BCE and CE though which seems like a much better system
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What would the year be when J was 12 ?
assuming he was born 4 BCE it would be Ad Urbe Condata 761
or during the consulship of Marcus Furius Camillus & Sextus Nonius Quinctilianus
The Anno Domini count was not introduced for about 500 years by Dionysius Exiguus
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Verily the holy Cyril began the first cycle from the 143rd year of Diocletian and ended in the 247th year, rather than commence by the leader in the 248th year from the Tyrant, we did not wish to include in our circle the memory of an impious and persecutor, but we chose above to mark the time from the year of the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The table devised by Dionysius began at 513 AD which was 229 years after the start reign of Diocletian. He marked the first 229 years as “Anno Diocletiani.” Then at 532 AD he changed the acronym to mean “Anni Domini nostri Jesu Christi.” His table ends at 626 AD with no reference to the reign of Diocletian.
Who would ever believe that people would scoff at insanity, what a prediction.
He asked why Jesus sacrificed himself. He didn’t. His daddy killed him🤣. It’s a crazy story that doesn’t make any sense to thinking people.
Even worse hid daddy was him and sacrificed himself to himself for the sin he created! for a long weekend !
If it was 60 degrees I would be on fire
There is something wrong with this caller: he keeps saying he feels the need to repent and thinks that without the belief in God there would be nothing stopping him from raping and murdering. Someone call the police cos I think they need to investigate this guy.
It’s really quite clear that christianity is just like Santa and the tooth fairy etc. but they forget that when you grow up and understand what imagination is you shouldn’t believe in it any more…
"Waaah, people won't listen to me and think how I think and believe what I believe. They're so ARROGANT! But not me I'm so humble UwU" - this Bible Thumper.
"The Earth is 75% water.", states the theist in supremely confident incorrectness.
71% of the Earth's surface is covered by water. Water makes 0.05% of Earth's mass. Once again: Where did the water go?
19:06 i dont know why he didnt ask but im asking,what lie did he tell?
The smallest strand of DNA is a single nucleotide which consists of a single base (adenine, thymine, cytosine, or guanine). It's extremely simple and compared to it a computer processor is infinitely more complex.
How often do you think fruit actually falls perfectly into his hand? Is this a good superpower or lame?
Doesn’t BCE stand for “before the common era”?
the "god sacrificed his only son" argument is so stupid. God / Jesus did not sacrifice anything for anyone for the same reason Superman cannot be considered "brave" They know they're invincible and immortal so there is no fear at all. If "god" would have sacrificed Jesus and Jesus would have stayed dead maybe you can say he sacrificed him but he only inconvenience him for a few days.
If we sticked to BC, we'd need to say jeezus was born 4 to 6 years before himself. Honnestly, that sounds funny enough. I'm on board with that.
Well, we're again returning to the question of what came before time which is a wholly incoherent question. Without time there is no before, you can't have temporal concept without time.
Since time requires space and is a feature of the universe the universe has literally existed for all time and nothing came before it.
I don’t understand. Some people don’t say the word kill anymore?
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Oh, no! Not scoffers!
My favorite argument against God is the lack of a possibility for the soul. Without a soul, basically every relevant God claim falls apart because there's no eternity in hell/heaven/etc. to be concerned with.
*edit: Also, I think the idea worship is silly and demanding it is fundamentally immoral. So, that destroys any idea of a good God that demands worship or rewards it.
Philosophy is the drunk uncle of science.
"There are millions of people who wrotexabout God."
There are,also millions of people who writers avmbout Harry Potter, Star Wars etc.
If something exists outside of space and time there‘s no way formany changes to happen. At all. So that existence could not even think let alone act or do anything if time wasn’t a thing in its environment
Loved the ending
There is Year Zero in 'The Man In The High Castle' (Jahr Null).
Your in 2024 was there not a 0000?and he was dumb cause he didn't know much even tho he brought it up.I bet you don't know when 0000 started,Google it and edit your comment lol
6:58 goddamn, I don’t miss being a religious fanatic. How insane it is to belittle someone over their non-belief in a fairy tale.
The force of the flood shot boulders into the atmosphere, but a wooden boat full of animals survived w/o a single loss of life?
All this calendar stuff proves is that the people in charge of creating the calendar were Christian..
July and August were added to our calendar to honor Caesar.. What does this prove?
Mf Thursday is named after Thor for crying out loud
he did not destroyed shit, he just said incoherent bs sentences
That is so stupid because the use of BC and AD are only used for calendars in western judeo-christian nations. If you are in China, India, Japan etc... BC and AD aren't used.
Why would you want to worship anything?
Here we go with the “foreshadowing” nonsense 😂
I hate when these guys pretend to be debating anything and then just spend time preaching. The guy literally just said he prayed in the hopes that god didn't exist.
“Bro bro bro bro bro bro bro bro”
Sam Harris went insane with his current takes.
So that guy doesn't know what a 7 day Adventist is..?
No matter how many hours theists ramble on, and now it's been thousands upon thousands of hours of such apologetics, none of them ever have a single thing to say that comports with reality and is convincing that their imaginary friends are actually real.
"When jeebus was 12, what year was it?"
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That question isn't the gotcha he thinks it is. If jeebus was born between 6 and 4 bce, let's split the difference, and call it 5 bce. So, when jeebus was 12, the year was 3756, according to the Hebrews.
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inaccurate. no theist apologist has ever been observed to think
Today is Wednesday, which is named after Odin. What does that indicate about the existence of Norse gods?
What is worship, and why would should I want to engage in that activity?
"I just want to turn you into a theist" why? these people go around trying to force world views on people, then don't understand why they get backlash. immediately after this statement, "Bro, this chat is negative"
So does he believe in the other 999 Gods too. Or does he only believe in his God ?
god I'm so sick of people who don't understand that _agnostic_ and _atheist_ are not mutually exclusive.
Gnosis = knowledge | Gnostic = can know | Agnostic = cannot know
Theism = belief in god or gods | Theist = believes in god or gods | Atheist = does not believe in god or gods
it's that simple
An hour of unsupported assumptions and baseless claims. That's all this is
That's what all "gods-believing" is.
Sounds like the way millions of Americans spend part of their Sunday mornings.
I absolutely agree with your take on Jordan Peterson. He actually addresses some serious social problems but at the same time he's a crazy wacko. It's a weird mix of extremes.
What little Jordan PeterSon gets right is pedestrian and has been covered more cogently by better thinkers. The rest is just reactionary ideology and personal gripes he treats like profound truths.
@@komradjay5738 Exactly. Thank you
His predictions about the Panthers did not come true lol
The best evidence of god not existing i have is childhood cancer or any other such diseases. If god was good, he would not have allowed such things to exist, unless he is evil.
The Problem of Evil is currently unsolvable. It’s the largest foundational crack in Christianity and most other religions
"Why would Jesus sacrifice himself for everyone that he didn't know, or wasn't related to?"
Well, Jesus went around saying that he was the king of kings or son of god, and when he was asked to confirm or deny that, he just claimed ignorance (by saying "you say so").
The GOD of the old testament went through extreme length to prove how powerful and mighty he was, but the other 1/3 of the trinity didn't even try to prove his divinity and therefore based on the Roman laws he was crucified for insulting the Roman emperor and the roman deities.
If all humanity was facing the threat of extinction from a supernatural power and Jesus offered his life as an exchange for sparing Earth and his habitants, and that supernatural power was benefiting from killing Jesus, than it would have been a proper sacrifice.
But The Jesus NPC respawned after 3 days (By definition, in any human language, that doesn't count as a sacrifice).
In the movie "The avengers" Thanos sacrificed his daughter Gamora.
That is a proper sacrifice. She did come back to life but that was due to the Avengers using the infinity stones again.
Thanos sacrificed the life of his adopted daughter whom he loved more than anything in the entire universe and he did it knowingly that he would never see her again.
On the other hand, Jesus, is like a debt collector that paid for your debt and now he is saying that he did it out of the goodness of his heart but if you don't do as he says and don't worship him, you will burn to hell for all eternity.
Doesn't seem like a person that is loving me unconditionally (agape love - from the koine Greek ).
If you use reason and logic as you reed the bible, than nothing makes sense.
He admits he can’t provide evidence for a god that’s outside Spacetime… then proceeds to provide evidence’ for Jesus who existed in Spacetime.
Acharya S. Set me free from religion
If something isn’t necessary, why would you assume it?
You could HOPE for it because it might be nice. It would be nice to think there is such as thing as eventual justice, hope for the dead, etc. But yes, you can't just assume it.
"I would pray that Jesus wasn't real", BRUH. Jesus christ
1 blind man leading 300.000 😂
His bitchin’ about the chat during this conversation is showing how sensitive he is
Are you a good person if you need reward and punishment to be a good person?