AHA! if we take scientific results and compare for very rough matches in holy books, we just throw away the 99% and we're left with 1% matching scientific results for 100% ... after recognizing the rough matches were about 50% matching... so HA! Holybook matches to 0,5% 100% at a time!!! 😂
'How many times is the word 'night' mentioned in the Qu'ran?' Like everything to do with the Qu'ran, it all depends on what you choose: night, nights, nightly, nightfall, tonight? Muslim apologists often add in or discount variants until they get the number they want.
Easiest way to blow this guy mind? If you rearrange the letters in "William Shakespeare" you can spell "I was here like a psalm". William Shakespear was 46 when the King James Bible was completed. In the King James bible, Psalm 46, the 46th word from top is shake, and the 46th word from bottom is spear. Shake-spear. The Bible must be the word of God.
The great Nostradamus predicted this debate, although he claimed it would take place on Rumble, so perhaps he was referring to something else, anyway, it's fucking close enough for me.
Isn’t this the same guy who tried to argue last time that sperm comes from your back and the sun orbits the earth? I think it’s safe to say he’s been brainwashed.
I used to find all sorts of shapes in the ceiling paint as a kid, there were faces and people and animals too. Is that proof of the Great God of Ceiling Paint? 😜 Couldn't be a coincidence, couldn't just be a human's natural tendency to find patterns. It has to be Ceiling God 😂
For the moon, 28 days is just a convenient rough average between the 27.3 actual days it takes for the moon to exactly orbit the Earth, and the 29.5 days it takes to see the same exact visual moon phase from Earth. This is because the Earth itself is rotating around a body as well. Sidereal vantage point. Veritasium just had a great video about this phenomena “the SAT question everyone got wrong”.
His entire repertoire of evidence is a series of unrelated items that's he's tenuously associated together with the silliest rationale I've ever heard. He's acting like God wanted to make the proof of his existence like something out of the Davinci Code or something. It's like that episode of south park where they find out it's a show run by aliens and the scientist figures it out in the dumbest way possible. Gotta also love the part where he says, "The sign that it's too late to repent is if the sun rises in the west and sets in the east." Ok, so then your version of God is a piece of shit and is undeserving of worship, anyway.
15:13 so basically what he's saying is the Quran has coincidences that are sometimes wrong. The times when it is sometimes wrong, they're close enough because God knows the actual number that we don't know here on Earth. So what they're saying is they're right even when they're wrong because God knows.
Apart from that the atomic number of iron is 26. Maybe he talks about the atomic mass which is 55.845? It seems like numerology where they try to find some kind of relationships between numbers by adding, subtracting, mutliplying, dividing [insert any math function here] to end up at a desired result. That's the worst case of the texas sharpshooter where you invoke like 20 random rebounces to justify that you actually wanted to hit that spot ^^. Coincidences cam be found everywhere when you look hard enough.
The Koran is scientifically correct! (If we ignore all the places where the Koran is incorrect, we round the numbers up and down as we need them or we just lie outright (The word moon is 32 times in the Koran, not 27, the word man over 100 times and that Word woman over 200 times))
I like how his bee example works only in english, I'm polish, bee in polish is spelled fucking "pszczoła", nothing in the chapter being 16B tells me that a "pszczoła" has 16 chromosomes.
"Gods results are 100% accurate... Human atomic weight is wrong!" Well no, the atomic weight is measured extremely precisely. I mean... if you want to set up your god for failure, go for it 😂
"You have to be receptive" Actually I'd be a bit more inclined to believe it if someone who is *not* "spiritually inclined" at all and doesn't want to hear from god actually did. Being "receptive" to it beforehand sounds like a recipe for confirmation bias to me :P
Wow, what a powerful argument! Except that bees also have 2 wings, 3 body segments, 6 legs and an assload of other numerably things, just pick your number and then kowtow like a dummy. And where does the Quran actually explain the periodic table of elements? Oh, it doesn't? Such science, much impress...
What I need to believe in this guy's god: Some sort of evidence that's testable, falsifiable, and replicable, and specific enough to rule out all the other gods people claim exist :P
14:26 So... because the values didn't quite match up, 57 instead of 55.6... God knows the actual atomic weight better than humans so it's correct anyway? So there's no way to falsify then. If the numbers match up, it's impressive and "wow how would they know!" and if they don't it's "god knows better in the end anyway so it's still correct." Wow.
I have another. A Muslim told me that the Koran aligning with science is proof that the Koran is divine. And when the Koran does not align with science it is a miracle, and a miracle is proof that the Koran is drivine.
@@Wheres_the_money_lebowski I completely agree with that but the point I was making is that I haven't seen an honest Muslim apologist make an argument for their god.
10:41 This isn't that impressive. You have a large amount of numbers to pick from and you can match it to whatever number you want. You could go for the amount of hours it takes for the sun to rotate 360 degrees, you could take the amount of days in a year where there is a full moon. It's really not that impressive.
People have been knowing about the lunar-solar cycle for centuries. If the author of the quran wanted to have the word sun appearing 33 times is not a miracle.
The interesting thing for me despite knowing they’re all fake stories is this: Confidence Judaism is false = 99.8% Confidence Christianity is false = 99.9% Confidence Islam is false = 100%. Probably has to do with how new they are 🤷🏼♂️
Let me sum up this vid for ya. The theists spouts a list of bullshit and anytime he is questioned about said list. He insists that they cannot discuss it further. So essentially this was just “let me preach and anytime I say something wrong, don’t worry about it cause I got plenty more bullshit to spew”. From the moment he said he didn’t want to debate the science I’d hang up. That’s what you’re here to debate bud.
"I'm not trying to go into the science with you, I'm just trying to provide you the evidence"......... Wat? Do you not understand how evidence works? Like you can't just claim something and say it's evidence...... It's literally just a claim, you have to have demonstrable proof to back up your claim as truth.
I didn't read all of the Quran, but I would say that the biggest factor in whether I would believe in Allah or not is if he would allow me to believe in him. It is Allah, after all, who chooses who believes and who does not. And those he chooses to not believe he sends to a lake of fire to suffer eternally. While those who he chooses to allow to believe he sends to a paradise where they can kick back and listen to the tormented screams of the damned for all time.
This is a false dichotomy. The only options aren't "coincidence or god" lol XD And even if that were true, and even with a thousand coincidences, it's still more likely to just be coincidence than god. We know coincidence is a real phenomenon, but there's zero evidence at all of a god ;P
You'r right about Schizofrenia, My mother is diagnosed with it, Twice. But in her mind, she is 100% normal and are not sick. even though she knows she is sick, but that part is one of the normal "Side-effects" of being Schizofrenia.... But she dont take medication, BUT she seems 100% normal and have lived with it for 20+ years. and she is not a harm to herself, or anyone so she dont feel the need for those meds... And i wont force her to take the meds since she is function like normal people and even the Dr said if she dont harm anyone/herself she could go without the meds
The moon prbit is 27.3 days, now if the freaking quran wouldn't be so metaphorical and dumb it would have stated outright instead of using this numerology bs
I like how they wait for science to figure it out and try to fit it in after the fact, not the other way around.
AHA! if we take scientific results and compare for very rough matches in holy books, we just throw away the 99% and we're left with 1% matching scientific results for 100% ... after recognizing the rough matches were about 50% matching... so HA! Holybook matches to 0,5% 100% at a time!!!
😂
As my astrophysicist son is fond of saying, “The plural of anecdote is not data”
I love how you rebut his claim on the coincidence and he goes "Okay." Moving on...
Never heard of the Texas Sharpshooter analogy before, but then again I'm not a very active marksman either. 😂
I see what you did there 😏
'How many times is the word 'night' mentioned in the Qu'ran?' Like everything to do with the Qu'ran, it all depends on what you choose: night, nights, nightly, nightfall, tonight? Muslim apologists often add in or discount variants until they get the number they want.
The word for day appears 475 times in the Quran. But, that doesn't matter. The 'divinely mandated' Muslim calendar only has 364 days.
To date, around 200 bee species have already been karyotyped, with chromosome numbers varying from n = 3 to n = 28 😂
also, the honeybee queen hatches after 16 days, all the workers... so basically all the bees you ever see... take 21 ;)
Easiest way to blow this guy mind?
If you rearrange the letters in "William Shakespeare" you can spell "I was here like a psalm". William Shakespear was 46 when the King James Bible was completed. In the King James bible, Psalm 46, the 46th word from top is shake, and the 46th word from bottom is spear. Shake-spear.
The Bible must be the word of God.
You know I could do the same thing with another book entirely and say that this cherrypicked coincidence proves that the cat was in-fact in the hat.
Well put! Numerology is such a cancer.
The great Nostradamus predicted this debate, although he claimed it would take place on Rumble, so perhaps he was referring to something else, anyway, it's fucking close enough for me.
Isn’t this the same guy who tried to argue last time that sperm comes from your back and the sun orbits the earth? I think it’s safe to say he’s been brainwashed.
Washed, dried, fluffed, and folded.
Does anyone recognise his voice? It's familiar. I think he's a Da'i.
@@XiagraBalls he is a former flerf. Razi or something
At least he was polite.
The Quran didn’t come with chapter numbers…
This is no different than numerology
I found 27.3 days for lunar cycle; I am curious about where moon appears 0.3 times or do the miracles use a floor function?
I used to find all sorts of shapes in the ceiling paint as a kid, there were faces and people and animals too. Is that proof of the Great God of Ceiling Paint? 😜 Couldn't be a coincidence, couldn't just be a human's natural tendency to find patterns. It has to be Ceiling God 😂
If you looked up the term "healthy skepticism" in the dictionary you would NOT find this guy's picture.
This feels so much like Cold Readings that I'm sure it's the same fallacy in use.
Extremely precise, because the word "days" is written 365 times!
Except that a year lasts 365.256366 days. Ok.
For the moon, 28 days is just a convenient rough average between the 27.3 actual days it takes for the moon to exactly orbit the Earth, and the 29.5 days it takes to see the same exact visual moon phase from Earth. This is because the Earth itself is rotating around a body as well. Sidereal vantage point. Veritasium just had a great video about this phenomena “the SAT question everyone got wrong”.
His entire repertoire of evidence is a series of unrelated items that's he's tenuously associated together with the silliest rationale I've ever heard. He's acting like God wanted to make the proof of his existence like something out of the Davinci Code or something.
It's like that episode of south park where they find out it's a show run by aliens and the scientist figures it out in the dumbest way possible.
Gotta also love the part where he says, "The sign that it's too late to repent is if the sun rises in the west and sets in the east." Ok, so then your version of God is a piece of shit and is undeserving of worship, anyway.
15:13 so basically what he's saying is the Quran has coincidences that are sometimes wrong. The times when it is sometimes wrong, they're close enough because God knows the actual number that we don't know here on Earth. So what they're saying is they're right even when they're wrong because God knows.
What would I require to believe in god? A personal appearance would suffice, or maybe a sell-out world tour.
In other words, he wants you to believe BEFORE you get any evidence, the sure recipe for SELF-deception!!!😂
Wow. Some words are said the same amount of times that match up with some numbers linked to them.
Imagine being so desperate for a fairytale to be true that you go to these lengths to try to prove it to yourself 😅
Human atomic weight: 56.9353922222222 +- 0.0000001
Divine atomic weight: 57.0000000000000 +- 1
How is accuracy calculated again?
Do you sell your artwork? Send ti finland?
"If you take the numerical value of iron..."
Why are you taking the numerical value for that, but mentions for the other ones?
Apart from that the atomic number of iron is 26. Maybe he talks about the atomic mass which is 55.845? It seems like numerology where they try to find some kind of relationships between numbers by adding, subtracting, mutliplying, dividing [insert any math function here] to end up at a desired result. That's the worst case of the texas sharpshooter where you invoke like 20 random rebounces to justify that you actually wanted to hit that spot ^^.
Coincidences cam be found everywhere when you look hard enough.
The Koran is scientifically correct! (If we ignore all the places where the Koran is incorrect, we round the numbers up and down as we need them or we just lie outright (The word moon is 32 times in the Koran, not 27, the word man over 100 times and that Word woman over 200 times))
I like how his bee example works only in english, I'm polish, bee in polish is spelled fucking "pszczoła", nothing in the chapter being 16B tells me that a "pszczoła" has 16 chromosomes.
"Gods results are 100% accurate... Human atomic weight is wrong!"
Well no, the atomic weight is measured extremely precisely.
I mean... if you want to set up your god for failure, go for it 😂
Confirmation Bias 😂
Is this Riz?
Is that Riz?
Yeah
"You have to be receptive" Actually I'd be a bit more inclined to believe it if someone who is *not* "spiritually inclined" at all and doesn't want to hear from god actually did. Being "receptive" to it beforehand sounds like a recipe for confirmation bias to me :P
Wow, what a powerful argument! Except that bees also have 2 wings, 3 body segments, 6 legs and an assload of other numerably things, just pick your number and then kowtow like a dummy.
And where does the Quran actually explain the periodic table of elements? Oh, it doesn't? Such science, much impress...
His argument is that bees have 16 pairs of chromosomes but that's only true for some bees, like honeybees. Bumblebees have 18 pairs.
What I need to believe in this guy's god: Some sort of evidence that's testable, falsifiable, and replicable, and specific enough to rule out all the other gods people claim exist :P
I wish someone would count the numbers any other element is mentioned. Like gold or silver
I've never heard such bull
He keeps bringing up these anecdotal claims in the Quran to prove its scientific. But the Quran also explicitly says sperm comes from the spine. 😂😂😂
This guy is all over the place. Lol. He has these ridiculous obtuse ‘coincidences’ as evidence.....and this provides him with evidence. Crazy
I’m surprised religious people try this line of argument. It makes God look so small.
14:26 So... because the values didn't quite match up, 57 instead of 55.6... God knows the actual atomic weight better than humans so it's correct anyway? So there's no way to falsify then. If the numbers match up, it's impressive and "wow how would they know!" and if they don't it's "god knows better in the end anyway so it's still correct."
Wow.
I have another. A Muslim told me that the Koran aligning with science is proof that the Koran is divine. And when the Koran does not align with science it is a miracle, and a miracle is proof that the Koran is drivine.
The word 'god' appears 39 times in the Quran. This proves there are 39 gods.
People with schizophrenia know they have schizophrenia. There are even people on TH-cam who openly discuss their symptoms.
He brings up the days and months thing as if the Julian calendar didn't predate the Quran by centuries.
The 'Iron' chapter in the Qur'an is 57. Iron has the atomic mass of 55.845 - this is not even 56, not to speak of 57.
This toddler has a fairly deep voice. 😮
Why can't Muslim apologists argue honestly?!?
It's not an exclusively Muslim issue mate.
@@Wheres_the_money_lebowski Did I say it was?
@@Disturbed0neGaming no you didn't, I was just pointing out that all apologists are equally deluded.
@@Wheres_the_money_lebowski I completely agree with that but the point I was making is that I haven't seen an honest Muslim apologist make an argument for their god.
10:41 This isn't that impressive. You have a large amount of numbers to pick from and you can match it to whatever number you want. You could go for the amount of hours it takes for the sun to rotate 360 degrees, you could take the amount of days in a year where there is a full moon. It's really not that impressive.
People have been knowing about the lunar-solar cycle for centuries. If the author of the quran wanted to have the word sun appearing 33 times is not a miracle.
The interesting thing for me despite knowing they’re all fake stories is this:
Confidence Judaism is false = 99.8%
Confidence Christianity is false = 99.9%
Confidence Islam is false = 100%.
Probably has to do with how new they are 🤷🏼♂️
Let me sum up this vid for ya. The theists spouts a list of bullshit and anytime he is questioned about said list. He insists that they cannot discuss it further. So essentially this was just “let me preach and anytime I say something wrong, don’t worry about it cause I got plenty more bullshit to spew”. From the moment he said he didn’t want to debate the science I’d hang up. That’s what you’re here to debate bud.
"I'm not trying to go into the science with you, I'm just trying to provide you the evidence"......... Wat? Do you not understand how evidence works? Like you can't just claim something and say it's evidence...... It's literally just a claim, you have to have demonstrable proof to back up your claim as truth.
I didn't read all of the Quran, but I would say that the biggest factor in whether I would believe in Allah or not is if he would allow me to believe in him.
It is Allah, after all, who chooses who believes and who does not.
And those he chooses to not believe he sends to a lake of fire to suffer eternally.
While those who he chooses to allow to believe he sends to a paradise where they can kick back and listen to the tormented screams of the damned for all time.
You would think God would know to account for freaking leap years, because his 365 uses of the word day isn't accurate.
This is a false dichotomy. The only options aren't "coincidence or god" lol XD And even if that were true, and even with a thousand coincidences, it's still more likely to just be coincidence than god. We know coincidence is a real phenomenon, but there's zero evidence at all of a god ;P
This is just Muslim gematria. Pass.
You'r right about Schizofrenia, My mother is diagnosed with it, Twice. But in her mind, she is 100% normal and are not sick. even though she knows she is sick, but that part is one of the normal "Side-effects" of being Schizofrenia.... But she dont take medication, BUT she seems 100% normal and have lived with it for 20+ years. and she is not a harm to herself, or anyone so she dont feel the need for those meds... And i wont force her to take the meds since she is function like normal people and even the Dr said if she dont harm anyone/herself she could go without the meds
The moon prbit is 27.3 days, now if the freaking quran wouldn't be so metaphorical and dumb it would have stated outright instead of using this numerology bs