Fifth Wheels VS Travel Trailers - What's Best For You?

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  • If you have decided that a motorhome is not right for you, maybe a towable RV will work better for your style of RV camping. But which kind of towable? Would a fifth wheel or a travel trailer be the best choice? What are the pros and cons of each of these kind of RVs? A certified RV inspector explains what you need to know!
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  • @netzerostrategies4409
    @netzerostrategies4409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Great Video, You got almost every Pro & Con, but wanted to point out a couple of things you eluded to but didn't get to. First of all, It's much trickier to hitch and unhitch a 5th Wheel, especially if your have a self-adjusting hitch like a Pullright or if you're on uneven ground (... like when your boon-docking). Also, the cost of the Hitching equipment and difficulty of installing that equipment on the truck is significant. One may not realize that the equipment is mounted to the frame (right through the bed of the truck) so it's very tough to DIY to install, especially alone.... Pulling a Full Profile 5th wheel is also no joke! Mine is a wide body, 102" wide; you have to stay 100% focused, when you're pulling that thing; It's not one thing, it's everything the height, width, weight and the poor visibility; It feels like your pulling a house around, harder then you may think. 5 hours is about my daily limit where as with my travel-trailer I could go much longer. --G1

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those are all great points NetZeroStrategies. Thanks for bringing up the 5th wheel hitch and installation cost. That's often ignored. And you are so right that as the size increases, RVs require more and more concentration going down the road. When I towed my 16 foot TT with my minivan it was a snap. But our 40' DP demands a lot more focus on all levels. Great post and thanks for watching.

    • @jeffforbess6802
      @jeffforbess6802 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some hitches (Henley). Cost just as much as a fifth wheel hitch, don’t they?

  • @celestepalm6949
    @celestepalm6949 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Must admit the higher price for easier tow/backup on a 30-33ft 5th wheel seems worth it, including the better build & extra insulation. Trailers can be nightmarish going downhill & 5th wheel center of gravity eliminates much of that stress. I'm fine with scrounging for a used 1-ton flatbed & used 5th wheel as long as they're mainly clean & don't require too many renovation costs. Thanks, Duane!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hi Celeste. With the right weight distribution hitch and sway bar combination you can get travel trailers to tow pretty well. But I agree that fifth wheels simplify a lot of the towing issues just by design. I wish you happy hunting in your quest for a good tow vehicle and fifth wheel rig!

    • @garyrussell8303
      @garyrussell8303 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In my research for a 5th wheel tow vehicle, I found, for what I need, GMC or Chevy 2500HD, Ford F250HD, or RAM 2500HD equivalent, with towing packages, the gas V8s can tow around 16,000 pounds; diesels can tow a bit more. If you are going to haul heavy "toys", then you should get a 1 ton truck and a toy hauler 5th wheel. There are some toy hauler 5th wheels that only weigh in the 12000 to 1500 pound range.

  • @DavidBundrickRealtorDoc
    @DavidBundrickRealtorDoc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you--we are at the very beginning of thinking about getting a 5th wheel or travel trailer, so your thoughts were perfect for us!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So glad it was helpful David. I hope you find the perfect RV for your needs!

  • @greghankins1655
    @greghankins1655 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video Duane! Lots of good information!

  • @justsadie87
    @justsadie87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This was such a great and informative video! My family is moving to rv full time and I am debating between a fifth wheel and travel trailer and this was very helpful. Can’t say I’ve fully decided yet- but at least I have the great comparisons! I subscribed and am eager to check out your other videos! :)

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful Sara. Going full-time is an exciting adventure. If you do as much homework beforehand as you can, you will be able to make some really good decisions as you get started. All the best to you and your family in your RV travels!

  • @griggsvideoservices43
    @griggsvideoservices43 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for this video. We've been trying to decide on a 5th wheel or bumper pull.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm glad the video was helpful. There's lots of both kinds of RVs on the road and people happily enjoying them. It just comes down to what best fits your particular situation and needs. Thanks for your comment GVS.

  • @graceplace1206
    @graceplace1206 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I really enjoyed this video, as first-timers your video helped us make the right choose.
    Thank you so much

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So happy to hear that the video was helpful Grace. Thanks for watching!

  • @sandracolby2730
    @sandracolby2730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    you answered so many questions for us. Thank you Great Video 😊

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are so welcome Sandra. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @kendigjl
    @kendigjl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm going to be living temporarily in a trailer, and this video helped me decide that I need a 5th wheel instead of a travel trailer.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm so glad it was helpful for you in your decision making process. Thanks for watching and providing feedback as well!

  • @SandeepBanerjee1
    @SandeepBanerjee1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. You've done a good homework on the subject.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you liked it Sandeep. Thanks for your positive feedback!

  • @jennidoughty9460
    @jennidoughty9460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video was very helpful, thank you!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful Jenni. Thanks for watching it and leaving a positive comment!

  • @richgran
    @richgran 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent, thanks for your experience and input.

  • @nelson2071
    @nelson2071 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am in the looking and purchase stage This is just what I needed to hear. I decided not go with a class C and was considering fifth wheel or trailer. This info is extremely helpful

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's awesome Nelson. I'm glad the information on the video was helpful. Thanks for watching!

  • @mitchhilton2668
    @mitchhilton2668 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you! Great information!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My pleasure. Thanks for watching and commenting Mitch!

  • @budlamy3870
    @budlamy3870 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    TT’s are cheaper foot for foot so if your starting out try a TT and see how you like it! Wouldn’t want to spend a bunch and a year later find out you hate it. We started that way and have upgraded to a 29 foot fifth wheel ( only two of us so we keep smaller).

  • @TheGteuni
    @TheGteuni 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your video is very helpful and efficient. You provide a good foundation for making the 5th wheel versus travel trailer decision. Thank so much for doing the video.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful. And I appreciate the positive feedback too!

  • @kenji4955
    @kenji4955 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you sir! Appreciate the very comprehensive information!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So nice of you to say Ken. I'm glad it was helpful!

    • @kenji4955
      @kenji4955 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RVInspectionAndCare absolutely sir!

  • @rockygeanseducatorspeakerc489
    @rockygeanseducatorspeakerc489 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent! I can’t thank you enough. You saved my wife and me a lot of time and possibly money. Keep the faith!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's great to hear Rocky! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @davidgoncalves4221
    @davidgoncalves4221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much man for your comments, they are very helpful and clarify many things

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad I could help David. I appreciate your leaving such a nice comment!

  • @jsilva7721
    @jsilva7721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this information... We currently have a pop-up camper and are looking to upgrade, and everything was just so confusing sizes, weights, etc. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Very helpful video

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful Elias. There are lots of confusing choices in the RV world. So I'm glad that my video made some of the choices a little bit easier to understand. Thanks for watching!

  • @Tommytorque69
    @Tommytorque69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent information. Thank you!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful. And thanks for your positive feedback!

  • @timmurr1672
    @timmurr1672 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great information. we had a travel trailer to start with and moved up to a Tiffin A class.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a great way to get started RVing Tim. Travel trailers aren't nearly as complicated as motorhomes in most cases and they can be a really good choice to help you learn the RV basics. Once you have those down, then moving on to larger and more advanced RVs is much easier.

  • @robinmorse1889
    @robinmorse1889 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much! This was really wonderful and helpful information!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful Robin. Thanks for watching and leaving such positive feedback!

  • @RhondaMinnick
    @RhondaMinnick ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So much good information in this video. Thank you!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are so welcome Rhonda. I'm glad that you enjoyed it!

  • @jimcurry5458
    @jimcurry5458 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very well done. Your easy going personality is a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of the other videos on here with people making silk faces about “disasters” and suspense over “big reveals”. Useful information without gimmicks. Thank you! Keep up the great work.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks Jim. Yes, it's true that there is a lot of unnecessary drama on many TH-cam RVing channels these days. That's just not my style. I know that I'm not entertaining enough for a lot of people, but if you want to know the truth about anything RV-related, that's the goal of this channel. I appreciate your positive feedback. It's much appreciated!

  • @dadpool3519
    @dadpool3519 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RV updates withstanding, this was really good information. Thanks.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @julietran1280
    @julietran1280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you this is very helpful info for where we are now.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad that the video was a help for you Julie. I hope you find the RV that fits you best and have great adventures in it!

  • @TheBirdandEagle
    @TheBirdandEagle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent information. Thank you.

  • @tressiesmuse1030
    @tressiesmuse1030 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks You ! You've cleared up a lot for Me....

  • @johnyoung5648
    @johnyoung5648 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great information. Thanks

  • @craigwilliams1073
    @craigwilliams1073 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent Information!!! Thank you!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      So glad it was helpful Craig. Thanks for watching and for leaving such a nice comment!

  • @charlescartwright71
    @charlescartwright71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My wife and I recently traded a 35' Montana for a 27' Winnebago Voyager. The fifth wheel being heaver took more effort ( Chevy duramax dually) to get it up to speed but once there towed a bit better than the trailer. Towing the trailer 1,100 miles at around 60 to 65 mph , recently, I did not notice much difference in the 10 to 11 mpg fuel mileage. We decided to try the trailer in part because the one level of the trailer is is easier on people with artificial knees ,etc. The trailer(24/27 rb) is a bit smaller and lower which can at times be an advantage. I also have a storage space the trailer fits that the fifth wheel didn't.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I really hear you about the whole artificial knees thing Charles. I still have my original parts, but it's getting tougher every year to get up and down our Class A stairs. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the differences between your 5th wheel and TT too. It's useful information.

  • @walkermildenberger
    @walkermildenberger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very helpful! Thank you.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful. Thanks for leaving a comment too!

  • @bryaux
    @bryaux 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good video. After watching many of these. Very clear explanations and highly informative. Thank you Sir

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So nice of you to say Bryan. Thanks for watching and leaving such a nice comment!

  • @paulbagshaw2483
    @paulbagshaw2483 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well thought explanation. Thanks

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad it was helpful Paul. Thanks for watching and leaving a nice comment!

  • @arielperez5951
    @arielperez5951 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks, very good explanation.

  • @garyrussell8303
    @garyrussell8303 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great stuff; non-biased. I really like the Pros/Cons and "Best for".

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the positive feedback Gary. It's much appreciated!

  • @steveandsheryl
    @steveandsheryl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    thanks, this really helps!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So glad to hear that Steve. Thanks for watching!

  • @whatever_it_takes6691
    @whatever_it_takes6691 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative interview

  • @rustumanklesaria362
    @rustumanklesaria362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes I interest to listen to ur best guidence for my fully secured old-age.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching!

  • @Dan-hb5iy
    @Dan-hb5iy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to say thank you for the info and great video.I will be getting into a trailer not sure right now if it will be a 5th wheel or travel trailer.There is so much to think about but I have made up my mind I am going with a toy hauler thats hands down.Thank you again

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Dan. Yes, buying an RV takes careful thought and planning to do it right. And you are doing the right thing by doing your research beforehand. It will save you a lot of money and frustration by doing that. I hope you find the perfect RV for your needs!

  • @jlind00
    @jlind00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great summary - much appreciated! Your videos are clear, concise and comprehensive. Reinforcement with text aids retention. Consider adding side-by-side imagery to compare/contrast hitch areas and trade-offs such 5th-wheel-slide-out spaciousness vs boxy travel trailer. Thanks again.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks for the constructive criticism Jeffo. I appreciate your advice on how to make better videos and I'll do my best to apply your suggestions. :-)

    • @DobyDuke
      @DobyDuke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RVInspectionAndCare i have a 2006 gmc 2500hd diesel, im looking for a 5th wheel for full timing living. what is the maximum weight i could get??? thanks

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      First you have to determine the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) of your truck. Usually you can find that weight listed in your owners manual or on the VIN plate inside your drivers door. Then determine the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) of that truck. You can often get that figure online from the manufacturer or in the truck's manual or brochure. If you subtract the GVWR from the GCWR that will tell you how much weight you can tow safely. This video helps explain all of that better - th-cam.com/video/OkWyFGtVveQ/w-d-xo.html I hope that helps.

  • @angeladunn5154
    @angeladunn5154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video, trying to figure out what would be best for us.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's always the million dollar question Angela. What is best for YOUR needs and YOUR wants? It takes time to figure that out. I hope my videos help you get to the answer you want as soon as possible. :-)

  • @corinnemacpartland5168
    @corinnemacpartland5168 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been struggling with all of this...thanks

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm glad it was helpful Corinne. Thanks for watching and leaving a nice comment!

  • @jennygaul3210
    @jennygaul3210 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THANK YOU FOR BEING SO THOROUGH AND INFORMATIVE I ENJOYED WATCHING YOUR VIDEO SO MUCH AND I AM HAPPY TO BE A SUBSCRIBER OF YOUR CHANNEL THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Jenny. I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and for leaving such a nice comment as well! It's much appreciated!

  • @scottyneal2769
    @scottyneal2769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enjoyed video. We are getting together a plan to buy a 250 truck and a tt or 5th wheel. Still doing our research. Thanks for the information.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm glad the video was helpful for you Scotty. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @cynthiabrown372
    @cynthiabrown372 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching and for the nice comment Cynthia!

  • @dianeanddontraeger5058
    @dianeanddontraeger5058 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great pro/con review, the only thing that I can think of that was not discussed was depreciation differences between fifth wheel and pull behind.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'll try to cover that in a future video. Thanks for the suggestion!

  • @pains
    @pains 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thx for this info bro ... and can u do a video to explain the best rv for weekly basis travellers ?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a great suggestion. Thanks for the input. I'll see what I can do!

  • @MegaMantim
    @MegaMantim 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info...I liked and subscribed...Tilting for a 5th wheel...

  • @davejohnson5707
    @davejohnson5707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you. I am trying to find a home for my mother to live in while I start my family in the main house and this was very helpful.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm glad it was helpful Dave. :-)

    • @meganlukes6679
      @meganlukes6679 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most states/counties/cities have building and zoning laws that prohibit people from living in a stationary RV full time (even on their own property out in the boonies). They’ll come after you if they suspect an RV is being used as a full time residence. Check the local laws before you buy the trailer

  • @kevinparham8315
    @kevinparham8315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great presentation. Very objective. I presume that all of the other expenses would be greater with a 5th wheel as well (insurance, taxes, registration, etc.). Especially if one does not have the deductibility of taxes like a house. A considerable tradeoff if one wanted to go full time RVing. Thanks for all of the tidbits. Catch you in the next video.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually Kevin, most of the items you mentioned are fairly similar between 5th wheels and TTs in my experience. The main differences that would impact someone financially are what I mentioned in the video. Thanks for watching and commenting. I appreciate it!

  • @germanjimenez5968
    @germanjimenez5968 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good presentation. I will continue to follow you.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad to hear that you like the channel. Thanks for leaving some positive feedback!

  • @rygi23
    @rygi23 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really good vid👍. Only thing I’d differ with is that going with a 5th does not mean you need a diesel. What it means is that you need a 3/4-1 ton truck which has the proper payload and braking. The weight of a large 5th wheel is certainly diesel territory but the vast majority of them can be towed just fine with a HD gas engine as they make good power these days. The full mileage obviously will be less but the initial cost of the truck and the cost to maintain it is much less. Again, awesome vid thx for your efforts.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. And thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!

  • @bruchlandung1
    @bruchlandung1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With this video you earned my subscription

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome! I'm glad to hear that I earned your support. Thanks for the positive feedback!

  • @Fitzfish
    @Fitzfish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's very good information! I'm considering going from a 31-ft travel trailer to a 40-ft fifth wheel. It's a lot more expensive but it would be a way better experience. I would be more confident going further distances due to the ease of towing a fifth wheel versus the sway I get in a 31-ft travel trailer....

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a big step up in size Dave. I'm glad the video was helpful though. Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @mikedoran4763
    @mikedoran4763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Couldn't disagree with everything said. Always exceptions within the comparisons but generally SPOT ON. Well done!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the positive feedback Mike. It's much appreciated!

  • @victorsouza9915
    @victorsouza9915 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Appreciate your video. I would like to see more detail on the driving/towing effects going down the road. Some people tell me that tt towing is dangerous in situations like 18wheelers passing you.
    Thank you

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks for the suggestion Victor but that will be included in another video about RV towing that is coming in the future. I know a lot of people have negative things to say about towing TTs, but much of that is unwarranted in my opinion. While it is true that 5th wheels tow well due to the pin weight being shifted forward on the truck bed, you can mitigate much of that advantage by using a weight distribution hitch, sway bars, and proper weight management on the front of the TT. Just my two cents ....

    • @safn1949
      @safn1949 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I towed a 10,000lb 31ft trailer with a 1999 Dodge 1 ton. Always get more truck. It was a dually and towed like a dream.

  • @RS-qm6ov
    @RS-qm6ov 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Perhaps a discussion on gvw and weight distribution for both travel trailers and 5th wheels?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's a great suggestion. I'll see what I can do about that. Thanks for giving me some more content ideas!

  • @stephenlewis29
    @stephenlewis29 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good info. My budget says bumper pull. Luckily I'm a dreamer, so I need a 5th wheel. Plan on getting one next year.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's great Stephen. I hope you find the RV your looking for!

  • @stas7878
    @stas7878 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! I'm sure I will be referring back to this again and again for all of the interesting tidbits of information!
    After watching this, I'm leaning more towards a fifth wheel. In the video it's mentioned that a con of fifth wheels may be limited choices for campgrounds, are there any resources online that show which campsites (specifically in the mid/south Florida area) are more accommodating to fifth wheels?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The only reason that fifth wheels could be more difficult to get a site for is that many of them are bigger and longer than most travel trailers. That was the point I was trying to make anyway. You will probably need to look for campgrounds that have sites that can accommodate a 30 - 40 foot RV as many fifth wheels will fall within that range. And more toward the 40 foot length. But the good news is that Florida has plenty of campgrounds that fit that bill because of all of the snow birds that come down in the winter each year in bigger rigs. Anyway, I don't think you'll have much trouble finding fifth wheel campsites in central and southern Florida. I lived there for several years and saw a lot of fifth wheels camping in those areas.

  • @nickrica7501
    @nickrica7501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video. You could spend an hour on the topic and not cover everything. We have been thinking about this for a long time and we are getting ready to move to a 5th wheel. Over the last 28 years I have pulled a small pop up, a large pop up and a TT. I did get to move up gradually in size and complexity and have logged thousands of miles towing. First it was a 1/2 ton Suburban, then a 3/4 ton Suburban and now we have a 1 ton long bed CC SRW diesel pick up, a very long vehicle which makes for a very stable tow set up. We are mostly looking for the modern amenities more available on 5th wheels as we prepare for retirement. Self leveling, cameras, cord reels, disc brakes, electric awnings, generator, solar, fireplace, larger fridge etc. Moving up to glamping you could say but that is how we felt when we got the TT. We will travel slower but further with a bigger rig. Consider the seasons that you travel. On the road, we sometimes sit out bad weather and we want something more comfortable. We have traveled all times of the year but avoid snow and ice.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It sounds like you have the RV experience necessary to make a good decision on your next rig Nick. As we get older having amenities, room and comfort is often a higher priority. And fifth wheels can provide all of that in spades. Thanks for sharing your decision making process with us.

  • @kennyburns3338
    @kennyburns3338 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info again Duane! I’m sure this will help those trying to decide between TT and 5th wheel. Keep up the great work.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Kenny. I appreciate the positive feedback. :-)

  • @kelvinshrake7628
    @kelvinshrake7628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative for the first rv drivers

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you think so Kelvin. Thanks for watching!

    • @kelvinshrake7628
      @kelvinshrake7628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm a newbie on trailer and 5th wheels, thinking about getting a 5th wheel but have to get the 5th wheel for my truck

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, be sure to match the weight of the 5th wheel to the towing capacity of your truck before you buy anything. A lot of buyers have bought first and then were faced with the fact that their truck could not really handle the RV they bought. Here is a video I made to help you learn how to match your truck and RV - th-cam.com/video/OkWyFGtVveQ/w-d-xo.html

    • @kelvinshrake7628
      @kelvinshrake7628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a 3500 gmc 2022 truck, is that enough?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That will certainly pull a lot of RVs very well. But be sure to watch the video I left for you in my answer above and learn about how to match the tow vehicle to the RV just to be sure.

  • @RobertShaw37
    @RobertShaw37 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent content.
    Since you are using video, do you have images to illustrate these pros and cons, even several photographs? Without those images, a table of text would suffice. With those images, inserting that table between factors could reinforce each factor.
    An additional factor in favor of Travel Trailers, especially for those new to RVing, the acquisition and installation of a 5th wheel hitch requires modification of the tow vehicle. What impact does that modification have on the resale value of the truck, should an RVer reconsider?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the suggestions Robert. I am working on trying to include more photo content in my videos. It's a work in progress at this point .... On the value of a 5th modified tow truck, I don't think it would have too much impact as used diesel trucks capable of pulling a fifth wheel or travel trailer seem to be commanding a premium price these days if they are in good condition. I haven't personally noticed much difference in price depending on whether the 5th wheel hitch was installed or not.

  • @liven4happynus115
    @liven4happynus115 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We're still shopping. I have looked at both 5th wheel and travel trailers. One thing I keep asking myself is can and could I pull this all the way home? Should I lose my better half on our travels due to unforeseen circumstances. I like the headroom of the 5th wheel, but I feel a travel trailer is easier to handle all the way home.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The shopping phase of RV buying can be overwhelming at times. But take your time and look at as many RVs as you possibly can, both online and at dealers. Also, if you have towing questions, and you have a tow vehicle, you might try renting a travel trailer or a fifth wheel for a day and see which one tows better for you.

  • @RoadRider95
    @RoadRider95 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best solution for crating two labs while in transit? Easy way with a 5th wheel? Or is TT the only easy solution?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Vasilios. Sorry but I think you've got me there. I don't really have any experience with transporting pets while RVing. Maybe someone who sees your question that has pets in their RV can help out. Any ideas anyone?

  • @imatt6566
    @imatt6566 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good comparison. Use of CG (Center of Gravity) was often incorrect. Ex: 5th Wheel CG is not at the hitch.

  • @patnichols3053
    @patnichols3053 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To add to this, I feel like he doesn't go far enough into the available sizes for fifth wheels. I've been doing a lot of research on this for 6 months now trying to decide on an appropriately sized fifth wheel, because my biggest issue was I didn't want to go too large. There are several fifth wheels out there that are about 20-ft long. There are a lot more fifth wheels that are in the 25 to 27 ft range, and even more that range in 28 and 29 ft. Not all of them start at 30 ft. Scamp makes a 19-ft fifth wheel, and escape makes a 20-ft fifth wheel.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually you make a good point Pat. There are fifth wheels available in smaller sizes. But when you compare fifth wheels with travel trailers there is far greater availability of travel trailers in smaller sizes than fifth wheels in a comparable length and that was the point I was trying to make.

  • @droningharry
    @droningharry 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish this would have been out when we bought our 5th Camper a 26FT North Trail. We love it, it's a great Grandpa and Grandma special and at 59 we have so much fun. We pull with our 2014 Ford Expedition and it's perfect. This will be our next to last Rig. WE'll buy a "C" when my wife officially retires and explore the country with the Weather every year. This has been a way of life since our 3 kids were young, now all 37,36,& 35 for a couple the best vacations ever were camping with us as a family. We truly love and embrace our RV'ing Lifestyle.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Harry. It sounds like you have found the perfect RV for your needs and have a great handle on your future RVing plans as well. I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. And I appreciate you sharing your experiences with us. Have safe and happy travels in the years ahead!

  • @pattytaylor396
    @pattytaylor396 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ooking for a motet home for about 2 years no lawn. I need space for storagel

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope you find what you're looking for. Thanks for watching!

  • @butchlankowski7897
    @butchlankowski7897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was hoping you would get into ease of hook up. I have a bad back not to mention it gets up to 115 degrees here in Nevada and hooking up/unloading a camper trailer really takes its toll on me. I am told 5th wheels are much easier but would like to here it from a pro.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Butch. A lot of RVers say that hooking up a 5th wheel is easier than a travel trailer. I think it depends on your situation and what equipment you have. But generally speaking, hooking and unhooking a 5th wheel is more of an upright experience than the same procedure on a travel trailer. And that may be beneficial for your back issues.

    • @butchlankowski7897
      @butchlankowski7897 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you kindly.

  • @TheMuddatrucker
    @TheMuddatrucker ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve drove trucks most of my life so fifth wheels are very normal to me but if I were planning on buying one of these I’d only consider towing it by a normal tow hitch.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you talking about fifth wheels or travel trailers? Which hitch would you use?

    • @TheMuddatrucker
      @TheMuddatrucker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RVInspectionAndCare I’ve never heard the term travel trailer before, is that what you call them if they go onto a normal style towbar? Well yeah that’s what I’d use. I don’t see a single benefit to using a fifth wheel.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheMuddatrucker I understand. Fifth wheel RVs aren't for everybody. 🙂

  • @dontoni1994
    @dontoni1994 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What would you recommend for a long term travel? I have a 2013 f150 3.5l eco boost.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you are asking about my recommendation for long-term living in a travel trailer. If so, I would say that Airstream, Grand Design, and Northwood would be good choices for that kind of RVing. You can watch my video on the top 3 TT brands I recommend here - th-cam.com/video/bmRu0Sl1Ae0/w-d-xo.html I hope that helps. :-)

  • @ulfasplund3514
    @ulfasplund3514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A lot of the Travel trailer pro's are more the pro of a smaller trailer vs a longer trailer. It is easier to maneuver a 5th wheel than a travel trailer of same livable length. Comparing a 40' 5th wheel with a 12' travel trailer is just not sincere and straight up disingenuous. A 25' livable length 5th wheel is generally 27' long from hitch to rear end and only sticks out a tad over 20' behind the truck, a 25' livable length travel trailer is generally over 32' long from hitch to end and sticks out close to 33 feet behind the truck making it far less nimble for boondocking and maneuvering in tight areas etc.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Ulf. On the subject of towing, it is true that as the RV gets longer the more difference you can feel in towing a 5th wheel versus a travel trailer. But I don't think that the comparison is as stark in that case as some make it seem. In my experience, if a TT has the proper towing equipment installed, it can be a similar experience in many ways to towing a 5th wheel. In other words, you shouldn't be white-knuckling your way down the highway with a properly equipped TT. However, as you mentioned, maneuvering in small areas is a very different experience between 5th wheels and TTs for the reasons you mentioned. Thanks for making those points so well.

  • @StevenHaddox-fe8gu
    @StevenHaddox-fe8gu ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How is the jayco 330 as far as build quality and towing ?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Steven. Jayco makes a solid RV overall. It's not the best and it's not the worst. I rate them a little above average. In that price range though, it's a good choice.

  • @valerief1231
    @valerief1231 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful explanation, I thought the terms Fifth Wheel and Travel Trailer were interchangeable, like a regional or generational jargon so to speak, but then when I started watching Matt’s RV Reviews I noticed that the majority of the fifth wheels had the main sleeping quarters over the hitch, which is an issue, as my husband lives with a physical limitation that prevents him from climbing stairs. So our first objective is finding a solution to getting IN the RV, and I’d like for him to feel as normal as possible. He requires forearm crutches and is fiercely (to a fault some times) independent. Do you or anyone really have any recommendations or suggestions about the exterior steps to enter and exit the RV safely? Thanks so much!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is a great question and I haven't had much experience with the subject of RVing with limitations. I did some research though and have a couple suggestions for places to get some ideas. First of all, I would probably recommend a travel trailer or Class A or C since they all typically don't have any inside stairs to climb after you enter the RV. Fifth wheels almost always have some kind of stairs to negotiate though, so that would probably not be a good choice. But most of the entry solutions for those with limitations seem to focus on chair lifts for wheelchairs. That may be a way for him to get inside the RV and then he can use his forearm crutches from there. Here are some links to check out on what may be available - www.rvingknowhow.com/handicap-accessible-rv/ and www.rvproperty.com/handicapped-rvs-for-sale/ I hope that those sites can at least provide some ideas to build from. I hope you find just what you need to solve this challenge. All the best of life to you both!

    • @valerief1231
      @valerief1231 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RVInspectionAndCare thank you so much for the links, I will check them out right now! 💖

  • @yellowarmadillo
    @yellowarmadillo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It will be good if you activate the close caption

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the suggestion. I'll see what I can do.

  • @krisg3984
    @krisg3984 ปีที่แล้ว

    Boondocking - sewer pipes and lower axels, a small fresh water tank. Black tank needs dumped consistently.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us on the subject.

  • @jimmysjamin1
    @jimmysjamin1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi I really loved your video Im a Truck driver so a fifth wheel is not new to me but I dont own a pick up truck so I would have to use my Jeep Grand Cherokee Trail Hawk with a bumper hitch currently looking at units at Camping world. I would like to live in it full time any suggestions about what I should be looking at ? I've been checking out Air streams but they are pretty expensive and Camping world of course is trying to put me in the more expensive ones I think I'd like to be in the 30 ft range could you possibly point me in a better direction as far as what I can tow I would be thankful too be sure.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm glad you enjoyed the video Jimmy. I can't really suggest specific travel trailers for you because it all depends on how you plan to use it. But since you are towing with a Grand Cherokee, be sure to get very familiar with the towing capacity of the Jeep and keep the trailer within that capacity. You may find that a 30 footer is stretching the capacity of the Jeep. Then again, maybe not. Airstreams are fantastic travel trailers. But you are right about the cost. If you plan on keeping the trailer for a while, it may be worth it though as Airstreams are built to last a long time. My best suggestion is to go through as many travel trailers as you can and get as familiar with them as you can. Eventually you will get a feel for what works best for you. And ignore the CW sales people. It's rare that they are actually helpful in the search process. In many cases they can be downright misleading.

    • @jimmysjamin1
      @jimmysjamin1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out. I have land so really I'm planning on a one way trip as the trailer will become my full time home so this way I will not be anchored to house plus I love the idea that my home will be mobile any time it may be necessary to roll out if I need to. So in closing I would say the Trailer would only be towed once. I will study the Jeeps towing capabilities. I really appreciate your guidance hope I can check in with you again soon Thank-you again truly .🙏

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure. Let me know if I can help in any way. I hope your RV plans go super smoothly!

    • @jimmysjamin1
      @jimmysjamin1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RVInspectionAndCare Thankyou so much got a few sellers that are private nothing to do with camping world no airstreams sorry to say but there are some really good deals out there. I really do appreciate your taking the time to help me and will definitely keep you in the loop Thanks so much 😀

    • @tedwalford7615
      @tedwalford7615 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "DON'T BUY FROM CAMPING WORLD" is the most common and strong warning that I've seen, especially from those who have.

  • @ronmcdaniel1583
    @ronmcdaniel1583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😎

  • @TheFirstRealChewy
    @TheFirstRealChewy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My heart is telling me to get a 5th wheeler. My wallet is telling me that I don't have enough money for a travel trailer. My car is telling me that I have lost my mind. 😅
    We are in the very early stages and just learning about this stuff. We want the flexibility to travel.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL .... I know it can be intimidating. Just take your time and learn as much as you can about RVs and RV life. One way or another you will be able to figure out what works best for you.

  • @NON155
    @NON155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what about small fifth wheels like 26to28 feet?

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not sure what your question is Non 15. Can you clarify it a little more?

    • @tedwalford7615
      @tedwalford7615 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@RVInspectionAndCare That might be the same as my question. Most of the pros & cons discussed were about big versus small (and those were great points!). But some of us are wondering how the two different towing experiences compare if what you're towing is the same size. Such as comparing a smaller 5th-wheel unit to a same-size trailer. Thanks!

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Ted. I think I mentioned in the video that generally speaking 5th wheels tow better than TTs, and that would be true regardless of the size. The main reason for this is that placing the towable's weight directly over the rear axle of the tow vehicle is better overall than placing the tongue weight on the rear bumper. But towing ease is not the big issue now that it may have been in the past due to the excellent combinations of weight distributing hitches and sway bars that are available these days for TTs. Still all-in-all, 5th wheels do get the slight nod for towing ease.

    • @budlamy3870
      @budlamy3870 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s what we did, went from a 25 foot TT to a 29 foot 5th wheel. Love it! Be careful though a half ton unless it has the HD tow package with at least a 3.42 : 1 rear end. Think of a standard 1/2 ton as really a 1/4 ton and the HD package as a 5/8’s ton!! 1/2 ton towable aren’t really meant for standard 1/2 ton trucks but the HD package works exceptionally well on a 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel.

  • @nicolaypastore
    @nicolaypastore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just wished I could use a Bronco raptor to tow it.. 😞 then I would get it for sure.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hear you Nicolay. The Raptor is a great off-road vehicle and a lot of fun. Thanks for watching the video!

    • @nicolaypastore
      @nicolaypastore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RVInspectionAndCare yes it is. Could a Ford 150 raptor pull a small 5th wheel though? I know they have a towing capacity of 8’200 lbs.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nicolaypastore There aren't a lot of 5th wheels as light as that. They tend to be getting larger these days. But here is a video I made that will help explain how to know what weight ratings to work with on both the tow vehicle and the trailer to tow safely - th-cam.com/video/OkWyFGtVveQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @jimlogan5789
    @jimlogan5789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a three-quarter ton Chevy heavy duty truck 8 ft. bed GVWR 9200 lb.. pulling a 2017, 27 ft. prowler travel trailer GVWR 7500 lb. 1st thing I did with the New Trailer was to put on Goodyear 8 ply tires. The trailer has the thing to take the weight off the backend & anti-sway bar. OK the Question: the sweet spot for towing on the interstate is between 55mph and 60mph in good condition. Good Advice? The reason I asked before that I was towing second hand fifth wheels. which were no problem on the the interstate. Just want to make sure I'm towing a travel trailer at a safe speed. the handing is different than a fifth wheel. My old fifth wheel got tore up by hurricane Matthew in 2016 and I couldn't afford another fifth wheel. I was able to afford this new travel trailer. I'm a little nervous about taking it out on the interstate for long distances. Going to Florida in the Fall. Any advice would be helpful.

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Jim. If you have a good set of anti-sway bars and a weight distribution hitch that is matched to your vehicle and trailer, you may find that towing a trailer is not as difficult as some say. But be sure that the GVWR of your truck and the GVWR of your trailer falls within the GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) for your truck. But I always feel comfortable going around 60 MPH on highways with my motorhome myself. Of course, a lot depends on road conditions and the weather too. But I rarely go above 60. I just feel that it gives me an edge if something happens quickly on the road and I need to stop in a hurry or make evasive maneuvers. But make sure what speed is acceptable for the tires on your trailer and stay at a speed where everything feels in good control. You will learn what your rig can do the more you use it on the road. Happy travels this Fall!

    • @jimlogan5789
      @jimlogan5789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RVInspectionAndCare Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it. Yes you have to worry about camper tires heating up at high-speed's. I do have tire monitors (TPMS) & A back up camera to see who is coming up behind me. I have my cat Whiskers in training now to be my navigator. Thanks again, Jim

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      From what you have said Jim, it sounds like you are getting well prepared for your RV adventures in the Fall. And having a TPMS is a great idea. I love mine!

  • @6548324
    @6548324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video. But that shirt is too bright. Wooooh

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ha! Ha! I guess I should have provided a warning that sunglasses are needed to view this video. :-)

    • @jeffforbess6802
      @jeffforbess6802 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like the pi...coral.

  • @argentumboyle249
    @argentumboyle249 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A fifth wheel is basically a motorhome without the motor and the cockpit ...... both are equally clumpy at high speed and terrible at aerodynamic and are more prone to cross-wind tip-over due to high profile

    • @RVInspectionAndCare
      @RVInspectionAndCare  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I do feel like our rig is basically just a flat billboard going down the road sometimes when the wind kicks up. :-)

    • @budlamy3870
      @budlamy3870 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I felt it more with my TT than my 5th wheel, big rig trucks used to really upset my TT even with the heavy duty sway bars and the 5th pulls just fine and I get two mpg more!