Why would a gay person be considered as a plague 🤔, you are yourself and has diffirent tastes. I think it would also be great for Ken to talk it out with a therapist and then, you and he can talk it out, Ken doesn’t need that bagage if so, share it with him 💑.
@@johanandersson8252 It's the 1970s and 1980s we're talking about, which has a completely different culture and different viewpoints on social norms. Back during that time period, people were taught in school that gay people are sick. I've in fact, seen some of the videos they would show kids about this issue back in my AP World History class.
Hey, just curious, are you and Erick good then? It doesn't sound like it from your side. None of my business but our hardcore jrpg cult is too small to be splintered!
You are such are an inspirational human. These last couple of videos your authenticity has just shone through like such a light. I'm a huge fan not just of your content but of you as a person. Thank you for being so genuine.
I'm 44 years old, and I grew up thinking that since I was gay, I would be dead of AIDS before I was 30. That's how frightening it was back then. I don't think most people comprehend that. Straight people certainly don't, especially if they're younger. I totally understand where you and Ken are coming from. When you've worked this hard to wade through all the nonsense and hatred you grew up with, and struggled for DECADES to become the person you are now, it's something you feel the need to defend.
That does sound horrifying. I'm under 40, so the AIDS epidemic wasn't really something I worried about, and it's so easy to say "Oh just use a condom!" but people had no idea what was really happening. Princess Diana shaking hands with an AIDS patient was huge news. We're glad to still have you with us!
I think its hard for people now to imagine. When I was around 11 I was terrified to go to the doctor because I thought I might have aids. I had never had sex but from the way my religious family talked I thought gay people just GOT aids. I also thought the doctor would be able to medically tell I was gay.
I paused my game to listen to this. I'm also a follower of Ereck and will continue to be but I wanted to say that it takes to be a strong man to say these words. You really moved me and I respect every single thing you said. Keep strong and proud of who you are.
Im a straight guy who came here originally for your top tens but stay engaged for your earnest personality. Its rare for something to get me choked up but stories about communities ravaged by AIDS like Ken's do it. Much love to both of you. 🏳️🌈🌈
The fact that you stay calm and throughly explain your thought process behind your opinions says a lot about you and the fact that you are more than willing to have a civil conversation with people and if not change their opinions but at least understand is what keeps me coming back to your channel. Well that and you have introduced me to characters and even whole games and series that I otherwise would not have known about and for both points I thank you.
This is I why I love this channel. Lotsa fun with JRPGs, but you are such a real person who reach out to your community. Keep it up, you actually bring magnitude to the gaming public
David you are a stand up guy. Thank you for clearing the air and sharing this story, it couldn't have been easy. Thank you for your content and friendship
Hey David, I wanted to apologize to you. I left a pretty insensitive message on your video yesterday and with the intention of being insensitive. I assessed why I did that, and will make a point to do better. No one should feel like a "plague". I hope you see and feel the support you deserve, you truly do seem like a person we need more of in this world. Sorry again
I'm seeing a lot of comments that seem to suggest that this "clearing of the air" means everything is just fine between the two of them. And while I think both videos show that there is no animosity between them, I don't get the sense that "everything is cool" now. It seems Erick still didn't understand why his comments were problematic even after hearing this very personal story. And he was even further adamant that he is not apologizing for what he said. The best resolution to come out of this is David's request to people not to go retaliate on Erick's channel and for people to stop asking for a collab between the two. But to think all this good now is naïve.
That's fair but the same point David is not helping the situation here because he very explicitly stated in this video that Eric said gay people are plague at no point in any given context or situation did he use those words meanwhile David is making it a point to be very specific about the word that you use and he's paraphrasing what Eric said so that's not helping
@@Magnamaster Are you kidding me? There is *literally* a clip of Eric saying exactly that in the last video. There is no mistaking context. Please watch it.
Well you gotta remember that Erick was speaking very broadly and his intent was to shit on the left wing extremists. He didn't go out of his way to attack David for his sexuality. I do think that Erick needs to learn the root of the problem though, he blames the LGBT community, because that's the face that represents all the issues he is against. Thing is that it's not really the LGBT community that is causing this, it is the left wing extremists who are using the LGBT community as meatshields. It's an easy misunderstanding to make and it's very unfortunate that these people have been used as political meatshields but that's the world we live in I'm afraid, people preying on others for their own selfish gain, that's what politics really is. Erick needs to learn this, I agree but at the same time, I do see his frustrations and his intentions and I can safely say that they are not wrong, heck I agree with them, fuck extremism.
Eric decided to speak on David's behalf in his video, saying that David knows he's not a homophobe. David gave Eric the respect of not speaking for him. David's pure class. It's clear that things are not settled or hashed out, but that they are as close as they can be for now and if it's all David feels like dealing with it then I don't blame him at all.
Thank you, David, for such a powerful and emotional response. I can only imagine that it took a lot to compose yourself enough to make such a well-spoken and in depth reply in response to someone who ultimately does not deserve your time but the more I think about it, the more I acknowledge you are not addressing him in this video. You are addressing and sharing with us, your audience, your friends and fans who are happy to stand by you in this. We appreciate every moment of vulnerability you share with us and every story that shows who you are as a person.
Damn. That’s heartbreaking to hear Ken’s story. It’s good to hear that there was communication between you and Erick. Dialogue is important in bridging gaps, hopefully it was productive and truly impactful.
I don’t think I’d come across you on my TH-cam travels until I saw Erick’s video yesterday, but you seem to be extremely intelligent and kind. You’ve got a new subscriber in me.
I was watching some of your past videos and fell on this one, which touched me a lot. It’s amazing that you’ve been in your relationship for that long. I’ve been with a guy for 12 years, and unfortunately he died by suicide… So seeing you having found true love, and with someone that has understood and let you follow your passions (video games and training, which I share) is astounding and beautiful. I wish you both many more years of happiness 😁😁😁
I’m so glad you guys talked it out. I’ll be honest-I prefer your videos, because they’re closer to my personal feelings on most of the games we’ve both played, and I appreciate your take on things I haven’t played. I’m a cishet woman, who hasn’t always been treated with a lot of respect as a gamer (and I’m apparently older than you, as per this video!), and I can see and feel a lot of parallels in how men treat women gamers. But a “plague?” Never. Your partner is an inspiration, and so are you. Thank you for this. ❤️
I’m a fan of both David and Erick’s channels, they have very different styles of covering similar topics. I’m happy to hear they’ve settled things civilly, sadly that’s a rare occurrence nowadays.
For reals! Was so happy to hear they spoke and worked things out. I was already a fan of both channels and this made me respect both of them even more.
Was so glad to hear this!!! I enjoy both channels and content and am so happy that you both were able to talk and get things straightened out. (Also, and this isn’t to defend Erick’s statements, but I believe English is not his first language and while he has excellent English some things may be misconstrued or not put the best way due to this). But again, so happy that you both spoke and worked things out! And maybe one of these days we’ll run into each other here in Georgia!
I am a HIV counselor for almost 8 years now. Hearing stories about how bad AIDS was is saddening. You took the high road and even asked us not to go at Erick for the clearly awful words said. Know that your stories keep counselors like me motivated to keep helping others everyday.
It's hard to believe there's homophobic gamers in 2021, when taking up games as a hobby pretty much requires you to have an open mind in and of itself (ESPECIALLY concerning Japanese games). But I've personally witnessed the videogame community grow more and more toxic since gaming went online. Don't even get me started on Gamergate.
People born after 1990 probably will not know that HIV/AIDS started off being called GRID (Gay-related Immune deficiency). When I was a kid we watched a movie about a kid who contracted the disease from a blood transfusion (Ryan White), and that kind of opened a lot of people's eyes about it (and Magic Johnson contracting HIV). So the term 'plague', while bad, is going to have even more meaning for people who remember the 1980s and early 1990s.
Thank you. I love your videos. It’s a calm place in the storm. You’ve been nothing but respectful and mature in all of this and it’s really nice to see. You are a scholar and a gentleman sir.
David, I am glad that you two were able to talk and clear things up a bit. I am very sorry for the things that Ken has gone through and I'm so happy that you have each other. You were not unjustified in being upset over the usage of the word "plague" in the slightest and you are entitled to feel exactly how you do. I hope that you can mend from this soon. I'm always here for you and love you both!
"OMG you guys! It was all a misunderstanding! They are ok now! I'm sure they'll do a collab soon" Sheeesh! Some people are really out of touch with reality...
You handled this with more class than I would've on my best day, man. Good on you. While Erick is free to speak as he pleases, I still won't be watching his videos anymore. Thank you for sharing, and best wishes to you and Ken.
I really appreciate you bringing up this topic. I've been a fan and long-time subscriber of both you and Erick for quite a long time now. I never took notice to Erick's hurtful words until now. I am weary of people when they say "nobody's perfect, we all mess up". There is a difference between "messing up" and deliberately choosing to harm a community of people. And yet, regardless of either situation, proper accountability of the perpetrator must be taken seriously. Needless to say, I am no longer interested in supporting said individual. It's not politics; it's called being a decent human being.
Some people try to rationalize what they do and or say to minimize what damage was done… by saying “ oh it was out of context “ … Intolerance and insensitivity at its finest: and it doesn’t work that way. Thank you for this David! I’m glad you BOTH came to some sort of resolution and were at least able to communicate. I know that wasn’t easy for either of you . I truly do believe we all learned a valuable lesson from this . RESPECT ✊🏽
Wow, this one went deep. Definitely hit the feels with this one. There's no mystery why this channel is growing. There is just so much that goes into this community, Real stuff.
Usually a lurker here, been here awhile. Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story. In a world of canceling others I also respect asking people to stay civil even of its obvious someone was in the wrong. Really beautiful conversation and best of luck to you and your partner.
As a viewer of both channel, I'm very glad that you are able to talk it out and handle it maturely. It's very immature on Erick's side, but I'm glad that he admits his mistakes and has delivered apologies. I enjoy the calm voice of yours clarifying this matter. I hope you and your partner are doing good.
Thank you thank you thank you for not backing down. Thank you. You are an amazing human being. And hope you and Ken live very happy, healthy, amazing lives.
Thank you so much for sharing Ken’s story. We are not a plague. It is so tough being gay, and I’m so proud of you for standing up for everything. We need to stick together. You’re an amazing role model, and I look up to you so much. Love you, David.
Wow, thank you so much for sharing Ken’s story. I said it before, and I will reiterate it again. You have my support. I absolutely support you for who you are and appreciate you.
This is the first time I’ve seen a video of yours. Even though I see it’s not your normal content I have to subscribe! Your civility and story is awesome.
He literally deleted the video "apologizing" the guy has no intention of taking accountability or changing his ways. Honestly we're all better off without him.
Words do hurt. It's a reminder for not just those with the platform to speak to thousands of people but it's also those who think this is okay to say in private. Hopefully this helps someone out there change their mindset a little when they are angry, jealous or just flat out negative. Everyone has feelings - So Let's all try to be excellent to one another! Thank you for sharing and thanks to Ken for opening up his past though you, David.
I’m glad you and Erick seemed to have a good albeit heated discussion, but it seemed very fruitful and productive. Sharing this story about Ken was also deeply moving and sad. I wish people thought more about the effects their words have. I really enjoy your content and community. I can’t wait to see more from you.
You are truly a class act and I love your channel. Ken must be so strong to push forward with all the grief he's had to endure. I wish you both nothing but the best.
It is great seeing this side of you. Need more people with your way of speaking. My love for RPGs made me find your channel. Yup I am straight too. And you're right your life, your marriage, is not political.
This is a courageous video. Bigotry relies on dehumanising its victims and this is a very human response which commands respect. Love and power to you and Ken.
As a fellow gay man, I have to thank you for these last videos. You handled this situation with so much patience and maturity. I always feel powerless when people discuss gay rights like it's just another minor political issue and not something that real human lives are effected by. Personally I feel nothing but disdain for people like Erick but I respect the hell out of you for actually trying and talking to him, I know it can be really draining to discuss this stuff with people that aren't personally effected by homophobia.
Been watching you for about 2 years now and it has been amazing to see your channel's journey. I remember when you were barely on camera at all! Now you got the whole professional game room setup! I'm so sorry you and Ken have had to deal with this (to say nothing of all the other hardships in y'all's lives) but I hope you know you do have people watching that love and care about you. Wishing you the best!
David, I'm 36, and I've been out since 2001 when I was 16. Having spent two full decades in the LGBT community, I've seen the continuing effect of the HIV/AIDS crisis. We lost an entire generation from our culture, including activists, artists, musicians, etc who would've influenced the next generations of gay men and the wider culture. We suffered huge setbacks politically and socially, basically undoing a lot of the progress our community had made since Stonewall '69 and the early pride parades. in the 1980s, Reagan utterly ignored AIDS and HIV to avoid upsetting his reactive conservative base and the rising evangelical tide that compared HIV to a biblical plague. So not only did we lost an entire generation of LGBT people, but we also suffered psychological damage as a community due to the rising, more vitriolic homophobia that ensued. I see the word "plague" associated with gay people, and see a particularly insidious slur. But maybe Erick really was ignorant of that entire concept, I don't know. I think the best thing to do is to simply ignore him, block his channel, and forget about the guy. Focus on the larger group of people who enjoy your work for its own merits.
I’m glad you’re taking the high road here. A lot of his explanations do sound like post hoc justifications; ones that I question the truthfulness of. But it is what it is. You keep doing you, sir. I always appreciate how you go about things.
Thanks for sharing this David, your honesty and maturity is really striking and brave. It takes a lot to share experiences like that, and to do it in such a considered and nuanced way speaks to your character. Hope you and Ken are Ok!
You're a teacher. You taught an important lesson today. Listen to people and try to understand rather than try to cut down. Thanks for sharing your story, love your videos and content.
I've been trying to think of what to write. Erick's plague comment struck a nerve in me. I've heard that rhetoric time and again from family, bosses, strangers... We can try and ignore those comments, but those ideologies aren't just words. They add to the hate and descrimination we face every day of our lives. Erick's non-apology came after 3 hours of talking with you. He heard the same story we did, and he still thought what he said was justified. I don't understand how he justifies it, and I doubt I ever will. Taking Erick out of the conversation entirely, stories like Ken's are so important. My heart breaks at what earlier generations went through. I don't think I'd have it in me to not only survive, but to put myself back out there and find love. Ken is incredibly strong, and I hope he realizes what a huge inspiration he is. Anyway, this comment has gone on long enough. Thank you for the work you do, and for turning a bad situation into a teachable moment. You rock, my dude.
Never regret anything, everything happens for a reason. I had my own share of problems with a rather "bigger" TH-camr but that experience taught me a lot. I am now a much much stronger content creator. Yes they and their friends hurt me so much and I cried for days. But now, these kinds of people do not shake me and I am so happy I went thru it to be the creator I am today. Sorry you had to go thru this, it's sad to see you so upset. I've been new here and you seem like such a nice person. Stay bubbly and happy David, you're doing great ✨
Oh no! I'm sorry to hear that! It just sucks that horrible people are out there and they get off on being shitty to other people. I'm glad you're doing better now though:)
Man, I can't even imagine how hard it hurts to lose one long term partner, let alone several. For what little it's worth, my heart goes out to Ken. I'm glad he's persevered and met you. I hope y'all continue having a good marriage for however many decades you both have left to walk the Earth. I grew up in Georgia with gay peers at every stage of my life, from middle school into college. Life didn't stop there, and I met many gay peers in the military. Almost every one of them was someone that I made friends with, and threw everything I was raised with into question. I will be 32 in a few months. While I may never fully understand my gay peers' perspective, I will always understand that anyone who is gay is just like me outside of that. There is no need for hate. You're wonderful David. I look forward to more of your video game content, and more of your life stories. I think your life stories help me keep things in perspective, and they also help me find ways to explain what I know to people who don't know it yet.
I know this is an older video, but I just saw it and had to respond. I'm almost a decade older than you, hetero, and I grew up in the deep south, so very much remember that time w/ the aids virus. It broke my heart hearing this story, but you and your partner are strong. Never change. My best friend who is more of a brother to me than my own flesh and blood told me almost a decade after meeting him that he was gay but married a woman to conform. he wasn't happy and finally got divorced and embraced himself. He was hesitant to tell his friends and some did choose to not have anything to do with him, however I told him this I don't care who you love as long as they love you back. you're my best friend and I love you. I meant it. I've known him now for getting close to 30 years (god i feel old saying that) but it's still true. He once told me that he had to hide most of his early life because in the south he had 2 big things against him, he was black and he was gay. I've seen a lot of moving forward here and i'm so happy. I told my child long ago I don't care who you love, just be loved back. Anyways, enough rambling, you really touched my feelings w/ this story. THANK YOU for being YOU
I don’t comment often but I just wanted to express my admiration for you. You ooze class and wisdom. You give this niche community something to be really proud of. You’re special, and I thank you for what you do.
Sending love to you and your husband; I can't believe how much you guys have been through....my dad's friend in high school back in the 80s almost got beaten to death for being gay, but he stood up for him and saved his life.
Yeah, I saw a lot of gays beaten up while growing up in the 80s and 90s here in the UK. I was a kid so couldn't do anything, but it always stuck with me.
I definitely missed where all this kicked off but I'm happy to hear you're all finding a way to move on and co-exist. Happy 18 years to you and your husband. Happy for you dude!
Even when I'm trying to not watch videos about video games in general, to not get too distracted (a problem I'm having) I always comeback to your channel. Not only because its great to hear someone talking with passion about something you like, but also for the simple fun and sincerity of your content. And as you said in your past video, nothing of this has anything to do with your sexuality, and, aside of a little inside joke from time to time, is something you never bring back in your videos, so far as I know. I also happen to watch some of Erik's videos, the fact he is from Mexico (and I'm also from Latinoamerica) perhaps make them more relatable to me, because the struggle it was to get videogames (and more rpgs) a couple of decades ago, and how of a weird hobby it was inside our own culture. So your incident with Erik brought back some memories about growing up in this side of the world, where's was (and sadly still is) a lot of negative prejudices about the gay community, and most of the straight people grew up learning to reject anything different to the "norm". Thankfully I learned trough life to break this ideas, sometimes the hard way, and saw all the pain and trauma that simple words and attitudes can create in someone, and the pain and indignation I felt in your voice (and rightfully so) just break my heart. I know this experiences can be a common place around the world, but I brought them up because I know of first hand how things are in Latinoamerica and sometimes you just do and say things for mere ignorance, sometimes as a joke, some others without even realizing it, but with not evil intention whatsoever, and I'm almost sure this was Erik case. And as in my case, I hope seeing how his actions ended up hurting someone will make his view of the world change a little, and helping realize we all are just people, beyond the place we live or who we slept with, and we all deserve the same respect and the same opportunities. I'm really sorry this situation brought you back some bad memories, but I'm thinking in Erik when I say we all can learn and change, and hopefully be better human beings. Keep up being the awesome guy you are and go ahead with your channel, it brings positive things to much more people than you can imagine.
Thank you for sharing some of Kens story. It brought a tear to my eye, but these are things that people that don't understand the LGBTQIA+ community need to hear. Hopefully it will make sense to them someday, but it still makes me mad how many have to suffer and die before some peoples eyes open...
This is not political, this is just human decency. It is sad that being decent to other people is being seen as a political stance. Thanks for being so open and vulnerable
Thank you so much david! I cant imagine how very dificult is to talk about this subject. You are a such brave and gentle person and i wish to you and your husband the best and please never change. Greetings from Venezuela 😊❤
I’ve been watching both of you for over a year now and I enjoy your content for different reasons. I’ve also been an ally to the community for over a decade. One of my best friends is bi and he’s one of the best human beings I know. He’s very careful about the way he speaks to people and I’ve learned a lot about that through him. Unfortunately not everyone is that aware of their words and mistakes happen. Most of the time it’s an honest mistake and hopefully it’s a good learning experience.
David thank you for your video, and for your genuineness. I am really sad to hear that Erik has behaved in this way as I used to enjoy his videos a lot. You are an inspiration and a wonderful member of the jrpg community. Anyone who would reject you or insult you based on your sexual orientation is not worth your or the community's time. Please keep doing what you're doing and know we all love you.
I am a straight man, but supportive. When anyone ever suggests "gay is a choice", I ask them if Lefties choose to be lefties. The norm is right handed, lefties CAN use their right hand, but it don't feel natural. There is differences in people that make them left handed. If you are Left handed, it's because they where born left handed. If you can get them to see that, you can open their mind to the fact that some things you can't choose. You can choose to be with a woman, but you would be a lefty writing with your right hand.
I’ve never heard this before and as a left handed person I totally love it. People ask me all the time how it is to be left handed. Idk like being me? How does it feel to be right handed? I’ll start using this now 💖
Me: a gay leftie: do.... Do they cancel out? No but seriously, this is the perfect analogy. My aunt was born left handed but was "fixed" by the nuns (1970s Ireland be like that) and ever since, she's been a bit off because of what that damage did to her
I try to think about what to say, and I'm speechless at how much tragedy, and loss Ken has dealt with, I'm so happy that he has you there with him to help ease his pain, thank you for sharing, I can't imagine how hard that had to have been to share, and I'm again so happy you two have each other.
as a fellow gaymer, I hope you take pride in being a safe space for everyone, regardless of their sexuality, race, gender identity etc. Your channel is incredibly important to us 🌟
Well said, David. The "this isn't politics, this is my life" message is so powerful, and I feel like it's not as big a part of the conversation as it should be. Also, just really appreciate the maturity and strength of character you showed here.
A very wise and mature perspective David. I'm glad that you are emphasizing the value of communication and the power of words. Your honesty and approach to the situation is really something great 👍
Thank you for sharing this story, David. Like others have said, I came for the jrpg videos, I stayed for the awesome person you are. Nothing but love. Keep up the great work! 👍
Thank you David. This was really important for you to share, LGBT+ history is full of so much tragedy and struggle and I think it's easy for people outside the community to write us off as too sensitive, but we can never go back to how things used to be and if fighting for equal treatment and respect makes someone uncomfortable, that's just too bad.
Ultimately, the lesson here is, words hurt. I watched both videos. I am subscribed to both channels. Both of them cover my one of my favorite genres, JRPGs. However, I think at this point, it’s best that both parties agree to disagree. As someone who is a bisexual male, I do feel more for David than Erick, because LGBTQ+ individuals already have to go through so much in their personal lives. The fact that you are treated differently and can lose important connections, such as close friends and family, just because of who you’re attracted to is upsetting. Who I love and am intimate with shouldn’t have any effect on your personal life, but the thing is, straight people don’t have to think about things like this. Hell, some people are quicker to accept an interracial relationship than a gay relationship, and before y’all come at me, yes, there are still societies out there that frown upon interracial relationships. I’m glad both of them addressed the issue, but I definitely do know that this is a “forgive, but won’t forget” situation.
I grew tired of his channel which lead me to yours and I enjoy your content a great deal more. I couldn’t consider watching his knowing this. Thank you for sharing such a deep and heartfelt story and explanation to us. You have amazing charisma and a passion we all share for rpg’s. I’ll keep working through my backlog on your channel with upvotes and support!
You are easily one of my favorite jrpg content creators, your delivery and zeal for whatever game you're referencing shines through every video. That being said, no one should ever think that you're beholden to some kind of standard (political or otherwise). You worked hard (and continue to) to get to this point. I truly wish the best for you and Ken
As a straight dude, I can't say I relate to the legitimate struggles that people of the LGBT face. I can say that they have every right to exist, and live normal, human lives, with normal human experiences. This is from my limited experiences with members in that community that are close to me. I can say though, that I am glad that you exist, and this video and this channel has helped me through my own biases. Many, many a JRPG speak against discrimination and alongside it, speak themes of opposites finding common ground and coexisting. To quote Guy from Tales of The Abyss: "Luke, you need to be more careful with your words." It's easy and simple to articulate one's views without coming off as insensitive.
@@anonamatron and those people we ignore for they're the definition of insane. It doesn't matter what side, for whatever reason conflict starts because of differences, and clashing viewpoints. People can reach one another despite their differences through understanding. Those who don't seek understanding, by default choose to further conflict.
thank you for sharing your light with the world. you've done more for humanity than Erick has, for starters, you saved the lives of alot of gay kids who found you on youtube and used you as a role model for them to do better in their own life and get affirmation that gay people can have full, loving, fruitful, and lovely lives. Just by doing youtube and sharing your hobbies. it means alot to many of us, myself included, that we can see someone like ourselves and feel like we belong, and theres plenty of room for us to create our lives with as well
It's so easy to get up in arms about this and you're staying so civil and so even keeled. I doubt I'd be able to in your shoes. Erick really needed to apologize for the plague comment and he didn't... I can't even fathom what it is to go through what Ken went through. And as a married man myself, I know exactly how what happens to your partner effects you, especially when it's their pain. I'm really sorry you've had to go through this. It's definitely not something anyone should have to worry about and I have much respect to how you have handled it.
I don't think he needed to apologize anyone who took it out of context is dumb he very clearly stated that the community is currently toxic and it is even the older generation would vastly agree with this and that he's no longer a fan of the current mindset he didn't explicitly use the phrase toxicity on multiple different platforms of the new millennial generation what that was clearly evident by reading between the lines anyone else needs to pick up on some comprehension lessons he literally had queer individuals on his channel so he's in no way homophobic and he is friends with gay individuals as well it's the same level of intitle toxicity that he's talking about and sensitivity like people trying to cancel Dave Chappelle but yes peoples feelings are valid and justified but in that context its more import that intent is gotten across to be not misconstrued words can never hurt me is not really true but at the same point it makes more sense to have some talk from both sides
@@Magnamaster Dude, he called the entire LGBT community a plague. If he had said "blacks" or "women" or "Mexicans" instead, you will see how he and now you are in the wrong.
@@omensoffate Yes he did. He did not specify when he made the remark, he only backpedaled on his most recent video and stated he meant x not y. If he stated in the first place that he had an issue with a specific grouping within the community rather than the community as a whole, well this convo wouldn't be happening.
@@omensoffate I am indeed thinking of the full context. He said the entire LGBT community is a plague. Taylor from The Gaming Shelf was shocked and says he regrets not calling him on it then. You are defending an incredibly bigoted statement right now which is quite telling.
Yeah he literally didn’t apologize for anything on his video he said he doesn’t regret anything David is just being extra nice to avoid drama but the other guy (and literally all the followers in his comments) don’t understand any part of the picture. They just said oh it’s a misunderstanding but as a grown man you DON’T just have misunderstandings about these things. There’s nothing to “agree to disagree” on and the fact David said they talked around in circles shows that the other guy didn’t learn anything
I don't know whether you will agree or not, but this was in a way ... a very unconventional yet beautiful collaboration. You and Eric's interaction seem to have touched a lot of people the past two days. I haven't read every single comment, but at first I saw a lot of outrage and anger in the comments. But after Eric's video last night and yours today, the comments reflected more understanding and an unwillingness to hate than I was expecting. You two talking it out and both coming out with a unified "we cleared the air" message is tremendous. Three hours, wow. You can't interact with someone that long without a level of civility. This is the best collaboration we could have expected. It was obviously a painful experience for both of you, so I am saying that with sincere respect. Thank you for sharing your story, that is a lot to carry.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and feelings on this. Ken's story is heartbreaking, and it really gives a dose of reality to a topic that nowadays does not get nearly as much attention. I'm only a few years younger than you, and even that small difference was enough to put me in an age bracket where most of my exposure to the AIDS conversation in the 90s was thru PSAs on special episodes on TV shows, or as fear fuel for pushing an broader abstinence agenda. A lot of people just truly aren't aware of the real impacts on fellow human lives by these types of conditions and situations throughout history, and sharing those stories with real names and real faces as opposed to just statistics can often help others develop or strengthen their sense of empathy, myself included. So thank you for being open.
Why people choose to separate because of hate instead of joining together out of love is something I will never understand. As someone who's been a fan of JRPGs since the 90s, this channel is a godsend. Keep up the good work!
I only recently found your channel, ironically while searching for one of Erik Landon's videos and that's when I found your first video going over your encounter, or lack thereof, with Erik. I wanted to chime in and say that I wholeheartedly feel for your situation and love the message of this video. Even though I myself am straight, my best friend since college is gay, my brother-in-law (with whom I'm close) is gay, my wife is bi, my brother is bi and a very close friend is trans, and with all of us living in Texas, I've definitely seen the struggle that they've dealt with because of it, and often still do to this day, all for simply loving who they love and following who they are, I remember people trying to picket my brother-in-law's wedding and how much stress and pain that caused him and his fiancé (at the time, now husband). I see the pain on my trans friend's face when she is misgendered even after informing the other person of her gender. I've been there for my best friend after he was fired from a job simply because his boss found out he was gay and since Texas is a right-to-work state, was fired without any official reason needing to be given. I remember helping my brother to come to be okay with who he was, even though we were raised in a household with our father, who through homophobic slurs around like they were nothing and I saw how much pain that caused him. It's a painful thing to witness those struggles with those you love and are close with. No human being deserves to feel like a disease, burden or being of lesser worth simply because they love who they love. I think it's great that the JRPG community on TH-cam has a person like you here to help them feel included, welcomed, and safe. I love the content and I instantly subscribed after finding these videos, please keep up all the great work and I sincerely wish the best for both you and your husband going into this new year.
I love your channel David and you are such a wonderful person. Im also a gay man from the south im my thirties and its still difficult that people can so casually decide that we don't have the right to exist and live our lives. In many ways im glad that they will never know what its like to know that your religious parents love is conditional, be constantly on guard for violence just because of who you are, or the constant cycle of "coming out" to each new coworker or acquaintance and preparing for their reaction. I love how open and straightforward you have been and with discussions like these things will continue to get better for those growing up now and in the future.
It’s very refreshing to see this handled in a mature and dignified manner, on both sides. You were willing to shrug off some hateful comments that shouldn’t have been said…However you never bad mouthed him. You truly are a role model to what other TH-camrs should be. Thank you for always producing great content and supporting a fantastic community!
Watch the first part of this video here - th-cam.com/video/2UIDWGkovNg/w-d-xo.html
Why would a gay person be considered as a plague 🤔, you are yourself and has diffirent tastes. I think it would also be great for Ken to talk it out with a therapist and then, you and he can talk it out, Ken doesn’t need that bagage if so, share it with him 💑.
@@johanandersson8252 It's the 1970s and 1980s we're talking about, which has a completely different culture and different viewpoints on social norms. Back during that time period, people were taught in school that gay people are sick. I've in fact, seen some of the videos they would show kids about this issue back in my AP World History class.
My sympathies to Ken. I hope he heals soon if he hasn't yet.
Hey, just curious, are you and Erick good then? It doesn't sound like it from your side. None of my business but our hardcore jrpg cult is too small to be splintered!
I love you man!!
You are such are an inspirational human. These last couple of videos your authenticity has just shone through like such a light. I'm a huge fan not just of your content but of you as a person. Thank you for being so genuine.
@pit lord sorry for whatever you’re going through that makes you feel lashing out is the way to feel better. I wish you all love.
He ight, lol but no David reminds me of my in laws (fiance has two dads) so I enjoy this channels cool dad vibes.
FINGER GUNS
@pit lord Why is it a joke to call David an "inspirational human"?
He's a good guy.
I'm 44 years old, and I grew up thinking that since I was gay, I would be dead of AIDS before I was 30. That's how frightening it was back then. I don't think most people comprehend that. Straight people certainly don't, especially if they're younger. I totally understand where you and Ken are coming from. When you've worked this hard to wade through all the nonsense and hatred you grew up with, and struggled for DECADES to become the person you are now, it's something you feel the need to defend.
That does sound horrifying. I'm under 40, so the AIDS epidemic wasn't really something I worried about, and it's so easy to say "Oh just use a condom!" but people had no idea what was really happening. Princess Diana shaking hands with an AIDS patient was huge news. We're glad to still have you with us!
I think its hard for people now to imagine. When I was around 11 I was terrified to go to the doctor because I thought I might have aids. I had never had sex but from the way my religious family talked I thought gay people just GOT aids. I also thought the doctor would be able to medically tell I was gay.
“This is not politics, this is my LIFE. This is my MARRIAGE. My life, my existence is not political.”
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I paused my game to listen to this. I'm also a follower of Ereck and will continue to be but I wanted to say that it takes to be a strong man to say these words. You really moved me and I respect every single thing you said. Keep strong and proud of who you are.
Im a straight guy who came here originally for your top tens but stay engaged for your earnest personality. Its rare for something to get me choked up but stories about communities ravaged by AIDS like Ken's do it. Much love to both of you. 🏳️🌈🌈
This right here same for me I couldn’t have said it better
The fact that you stay calm and throughly explain your thought process behind your opinions says a lot about you and the fact that you are more than willing to have a civil conversation with people and if not change their opinions but at least understand is what keeps me coming back to your channel. Well that and you have introduced me to characters and even whole games and series that I otherwise would not have known about and for both points I thank you.
Despite the context of this video I just wanted to say congratulations on 18 years with your SO!
Thank you so much!
This is I why I love this channel. Lotsa fun with JRPGs, but you are such a real person who reach out to your community. Keep it up, you actually bring magnitude to the gaming public
David you are a stand up guy. Thank you for clearing the air and sharing this story, it couldn't have been easy. Thank you for your content and friendship
Thank you so much King!
Thank you for having the strength to share your story + leading by example in teaching rather than escalating.
Hey David, I wanted to apologize to you. I left a pretty insensitive message on your video yesterday and with the intention of being insensitive. I assessed why I did that, and will make a point to do better. No one should feel like a "plague". I hope you see and feel the support you deserve, you truly do seem like a person we need more of in this world. Sorry again
Thank you so much for your gracious apology, that means alot to me :)
I'm seeing a lot of comments that seem to suggest that this "clearing of the air" means everything is just fine between the two of them. And while I think both videos show that there is no animosity between them, I don't get the sense that "everything is cool" now. It seems Erick still didn't understand why his comments were problematic even after hearing this very personal story. And he was even further adamant that he is not apologizing for what he said. The best resolution to come out of this is David's request to people not to go retaliate on Erick's channel and for people to stop asking for a collab between the two. But to think all this good now is naïve.
That's fair but the same point David is not helping the situation here because he very explicitly stated in this video that Eric said gay people are plague at no point in any given context or situation did he use those words meanwhile David is making it a point to be very specific about the word that you use and he's paraphrasing what Eric said so that's not helping
@@Magnamaster Are you kidding me? There is *literally* a clip of Eric saying exactly that in the last video. There is no mistaking context. Please watch it.
@@Orcael Agreed. Eric ignored David, coincidence my ass. Eric’s response was really, really lame.
Well you gotta remember that Erick was speaking very broadly and his intent was to shit on the left wing extremists. He didn't go out of his way to attack David for his sexuality.
I do think that Erick needs to learn the root of the problem though, he blames the LGBT community, because that's the face that represents all the issues he is against. Thing is that it's not really the LGBT community that is causing this, it is the left wing extremists who are using the LGBT community as meatshields.
It's an easy misunderstanding to make and it's very unfortunate that these people have been used as political meatshields but that's the world we live in I'm afraid, people preying on others for their own selfish gain, that's what politics really is. Erick needs to learn this, I agree but at the same time, I do see his frustrations and his intentions and I can safely say that they are not wrong, heck I agree with them, fuck extremism.
Eric decided to speak on David's behalf in his video, saying that David knows he's not a homophobe. David gave Eric the respect of not speaking for him. David's pure class. It's clear that things are not settled or hashed out, but that they are as close as they can be for now and if it's all David feels like dealing with it then I don't blame him at all.
Thank you, David, for such a powerful and emotional response. I can only imagine that it took a lot to compose yourself enough to make such a well-spoken and in depth reply in response to someone who ultimately does not deserve your time but the more I think about it, the more I acknowledge you are not addressing him in this video. You are addressing and sharing with us, your audience, your friends and fans who are happy to stand by you in this. We appreciate every moment of vulnerability you share with us and every story that shows who you are as a person.
Damn. That’s heartbreaking to hear Ken’s story. It’s good to hear that there was communication between you and Erick. Dialogue is important in bridging gaps, hopefully it was productive and truly impactful.
I don’t think I’d come across you on my TH-cam travels until I saw Erick’s video yesterday, but you seem to be extremely intelligent and kind.
You’ve got a new subscriber in me.
Love you so much, David! Thank you for always being thoughtful, eloquent, and kind.
I was watching some of your past videos and fell on this one, which touched me a lot. It’s amazing that you’ve been in your relationship for that long. I’ve been with a guy for 12 years, and unfortunately he died by suicide… So seeing you having found true love, and with someone that has understood and let you follow your passions (video games and training, which I share) is astounding and beautiful. I wish you both many more years of happiness 😁😁😁
Erick seemed to backtrack REAL quick... You rock, David
what, you wanted him to double down or ignore everything? lol
David all i wanna say is you are such a class act! Erick always gave me a bad vibe and this confirms it for me, keep being great like always
I’m so glad you guys talked it out. I’ll be honest-I prefer your videos, because they’re closer to my personal feelings on most of the games we’ve both played, and I appreciate your take on things I haven’t played. I’m a cishet woman, who hasn’t always been treated with a lot of respect as a gamer (and I’m apparently older than you, as per this video!), and I can see and feel a lot of parallels in how men treat women gamers. But a “plague?” Never. Your partner is an inspiration, and so are you. Thank you for this. ❤️
Handled like a true gentleman. My hat's off to you.
I’m a fan of both David and Erick’s channels, they have very different styles of covering similar topics. I’m happy to hear they’ve settled things civilly, sadly that’s a rare occurrence nowadays.
I'm glad. I hate drama (cause I've seen too much) and would much rather just live and let live. Too much of an energy drain to get worked up by it.
You’re being a class act about all of this. Good on you for stating your feelings so well without being hostile. Much love to you and your partner.
Here you go. People talking it out. A rarity in today's world. Well done.
For reals! Was so happy to hear they spoke and worked things out. I was already a fan of both channels and this made me respect both of them even more.
You look like an honest dude, all the best to you man. If everyone stayed civil like this, things would be very different.
Was so glad to hear this!!! I enjoy both channels and content and am so happy that you both were able to talk and get things straightened out. (Also, and this isn’t to defend Erick’s statements, but I believe English is not his first language and while he has excellent English some things may be misconstrued or not put the best way due to this). But again, so happy that you both spoke and worked things out! And maybe one of these days we’ll run into each other here in Georgia!
I am a HIV counselor for almost 8 years now. Hearing stories about how bad AIDS was is saddening. You took the high road and even asked us not to go at Erick for the clearly awful words said.
Know that your stories keep counselors like me motivated to keep helping others everyday.
It's hard to believe there's homophobic gamers in 2021, when taking up games as a hobby pretty much requires you to have an open mind in and of itself (ESPECIALLY concerning Japanese games). But I've personally witnessed the videogame community grow more and more toxic since gaming went online. Don't even get me started on Gamergate.
People born after 1990 probably will not know that HIV/AIDS started off being called GRID (Gay-related Immune deficiency). When I was a kid we watched a movie about a kid who contracted the disease from a blood transfusion (Ryan White), and that kind of opened a lot of people's eyes about it (and Magic Johnson contracting HIV). So the term 'plague', while bad, is going to have even more meaning for people who remember the 1980s and early 1990s.
Thank you. I love your videos. It’s a calm place in the storm. You’ve been nothing but respectful and mature in all of this and it’s really nice to see. You are a scholar and a gentleman sir.
David, I am glad that you two were able to talk and clear things up a bit. I am very sorry for the things that Ken has gone through and I'm so happy that you have each other. You were not unjustified in being upset over the usage of the word "plague" in the slightest and you are entitled to feel exactly how you do. I hope that you can mend from this soon. I'm always here for you and love you both!
I appreciate you shared such personal things and ended things on a respectful note. Really appreciated
"OMG you guys! It was all a misunderstanding! They are ok now! I'm sure they'll do a collab soon"
Sheeesh! Some people are really out of touch with reality...
You handled this with more class than I would've on my best day, man. Good on you. While Erick is free to speak as he pleases, I still won't be watching his videos anymore. Thank you for sharing, and best wishes to you and Ken.
I really appreciate you bringing up this topic. I've been a fan and long-time subscriber of both you and Erick for quite a long time now. I never took notice to Erick's hurtful words until now. I am weary of people when they say "nobody's perfect, we all mess up". There is a difference between "messing up" and deliberately choosing to harm a community of people. And yet, regardless of either situation, proper accountability of the perpetrator must be taken seriously. Needless to say, I am no longer interested in supporting said individual. It's not politics; it's called being a decent human being.
Some people try to rationalize what they do and or say to minimize what damage was done… by saying “ oh it was out of context “ … Intolerance and insensitivity at its finest: and it doesn’t work that way.
Thank you for this David! I’m glad you BOTH came to some sort of resolution and were at least able to communicate. I know that wasn’t easy for either of you .
I truly do believe we all learned a valuable lesson from this . RESPECT ✊🏽
Wow, this one went deep. Definitely hit the feels with this one. There's no mystery why this channel is growing. There is just so much that goes into this community, Real stuff.
I have no idea what this was all about but thank you for sharing this personal account from your life. I feel richer for having been here to hear it.
You’ve got a heart made of gold, David. A true class act.
Usually a lurker here, been here awhile. Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story. In a world of canceling others I also respect asking people to stay civil even of its obvious someone was in the wrong. Really beautiful conversation and best of luck to you and your partner.
Amazing response on your part. You're an eloquent young man David! ❤️
Thank you for sharing such personal stories. It makes a difference.
As a viewer of both channel, I'm very glad that you are able to talk it out and handle it maturely. It's very immature on Erick's side, but I'm glad that he admits his mistakes and has delivered apologies. I enjoy the calm voice of yours clarifying this matter. I hope you and your partner are doing good.
Thank you thank you thank you for not backing down. Thank you. You are an amazing human being. And hope you and Ken live very happy, healthy, amazing lives.
Thank you, we've been together for 18 years now, and I don't think that will change anytime soon. We are made for each other :)
Thank you so much for sharing Ken’s story. We are not a plague. It is so tough being gay, and I’m so proud of you for standing up for everything. We need to stick together. You’re an amazing role model, and I look up to you so much. Love you, David.
You think it's tough now, try being gay in the 90s 😬
@@anonamatron For the love of god, please get over yourself.
Wow, thank you so much for sharing Ken’s story.
I said it before, and I will reiterate it again. You have my support. I absolutely support you for who you are and appreciate you.
You say you're old for being married for 18 years but it's amazing that you've had a partner in love and in life for 18 years!
This is the first time I’ve seen a video of yours. Even though I see it’s not your normal content I have to subscribe! Your civility and story is awesome.
He literally deleted the video "apologizing" the guy has no intention of taking accountability or changing his ways. Honestly we're all better off without him.
Well that's disappointing to say the least
Did someone archived it somewhere?
Words do hurt. It's a reminder for not just those with the platform to speak to thousands of people but it's also those who think this is okay to say in private. Hopefully this helps someone out there change their mindset a little when they are angry, jealous or just flat out negative. Everyone has feelings - So Let's all try to be excellent to one another!
Thank you for sharing and thanks to Ken for opening up his past though you, David.
I’m glad you and Erick seemed to have a good albeit heated discussion, but it seemed very fruitful and productive. Sharing this story about Ken was also deeply moving and sad. I wish people thought more about the effects their words have. I really enjoy your content and community. I can’t wait to see more from you.
You are truly a class act and I love your channel. Ken must be so strong to push forward with all the grief he's had to endure. I wish you both nothing but the best.
It is great seeing this side of you. Need more people with your way of speaking. My love for RPGs made me find your channel. Yup I am straight too. And you're right your life, your marriage, is not political.
This is a courageous video. Bigotry relies on dehumanising its victims and this is a very human response which commands respect. Love and power to you and Ken.
As a fellow gay man, I have to thank you for these last videos. You handled this situation with so much patience and maturity.
I always feel powerless when people discuss gay rights like it's just another minor political issue and not something that real human lives are effected by.
Personally I feel nothing but disdain for people like Erick but I respect the hell out of you for actually trying and talking to him, I know it can be really draining to discuss this stuff with people that aren't personally effected by homophobia.
I'm also glad u guy's could talk and work out ur differences cuz there is so little of that happening in the world which is very saddening
Been watching you for about 2 years now and it has been amazing to see your channel's journey. I remember when you were barely on camera at all! Now you got the whole professional game room setup! I'm so sorry you and Ken have had to deal with this (to say nothing of all the other hardships in y'all's lives) but I hope you know you do have people watching that love and care about you. Wishing you the best!
Thank you for all your support over the years! I've been growing along with the channel too
You should not have had to handle this with the level of grace that you have, but my heart goes out to you for being the better man here.
David, I'm 36, and I've been out since 2001 when I was 16. Having spent two full decades in the LGBT community, I've seen the continuing effect of the HIV/AIDS crisis. We lost an entire generation from our culture, including activists, artists, musicians, etc who would've influenced the next generations of gay men and the wider culture. We suffered huge setbacks politically and socially, basically undoing a lot of the progress our community had made since Stonewall '69 and the early pride parades. in the 1980s, Reagan utterly ignored AIDS and HIV to avoid upsetting his reactive conservative base and the rising evangelical tide that compared HIV to a biblical plague. So not only did we lost an entire generation of LGBT people, but we also suffered psychological damage as a community due to the rising, more vitriolic homophobia that ensued. I see the word "plague" associated with gay people, and see a particularly insidious slur.
But maybe Erick really was ignorant of that entire concept, I don't know. I think the best thing to do is to simply ignore him, block his channel, and forget about the guy. Focus on the larger group of people who enjoy your work for its own merits.
I’m glad you’re taking the high road here.
A lot of his explanations do sound like post hoc justifications; ones that I question the truthfulness of. But it is what it is. You keep doing you, sir.
I always appreciate how you go about things.
Thanks for sharing this David, your honesty and maturity is really striking and brave. It takes a lot to share experiences like that, and to do it in such a considered and nuanced way speaks to your character. Hope you and Ken are Ok!
You're a teacher. You taught an important lesson today. Listen to people and try to understand rather than try to cut down. Thanks for sharing your story, love your videos and content.
I've been trying to think of what to write. Erick's plague comment struck a nerve in me. I've heard that rhetoric time and again from family, bosses, strangers...
We can try and ignore those comments, but those ideologies aren't just words. They add to the hate and descrimination we face every day of our lives.
Erick's non-apology came after 3 hours of talking with you. He heard the same story we did, and he still thought what he said was justified. I don't understand how he justifies it, and I doubt I ever will.
Taking Erick out of the conversation entirely, stories like Ken's are so important. My heart breaks at what earlier generations went through. I don't think I'd have it in me to not only survive, but to put myself back out there and find love. Ken is incredibly strong, and I hope he realizes what a huge inspiration he is.
Anyway, this comment has gone on long enough. Thank you for the work you do, and for turning a bad situation into a teachable moment. You rock, my dude.
Never regret anything, everything happens for a reason. I had my own share of problems with a rather "bigger" TH-camr but that experience taught me a lot. I am now a much much stronger content creator. Yes they and their friends hurt me so much and I cried for days. But now, these kinds of people do not shake me and I am so happy I went thru it to be the creator I am today. Sorry you had to go thru this, it's sad to see you so upset. I've been new here and you seem like such a nice person. Stay bubbly and happy David, you're doing great ✨
Oh no! I'm sorry to hear that! It just sucks that horrible people are out there and they get off on being shitty to other people. I'm glad you're doing better now though:)
Words do have power. Yours are making the world better.
Man, I can't even imagine how hard it hurts to lose one long term partner, let alone several. For what little it's worth, my heart goes out to Ken. I'm glad he's persevered and met you. I hope y'all continue having a good marriage for however many decades you both have left to walk the Earth.
I grew up in Georgia with gay peers at every stage of my life, from middle school into college. Life didn't stop there, and I met many gay peers in the military. Almost every one of them was someone that I made friends with, and threw everything I was raised with into question. I will be 32 in a few months. While I may never fully understand my gay peers' perspective, I will always understand that anyone who is gay is just like me outside of that. There is no need for hate.
You're wonderful David. I look forward to more of your video game content, and more of your life stories. I think your life stories help me keep things in perspective, and they also help me find ways to explain what I know to people who don't know it yet.
I know this is an older video, but I just saw it and had to respond. I'm almost a decade older than you, hetero, and I grew up in the deep south, so very much remember that time w/ the aids virus. It broke my heart hearing this story, but you and your partner are strong. Never change. My best friend who is more of a brother to me than my own flesh and blood told me almost a decade after meeting him that he was gay but married a woman to conform. he wasn't happy and finally got divorced and embraced himself. He was hesitant to tell his friends and some did choose to not have anything to do with him, however I told him this I don't care who you love as long as they love you back. you're my best friend and I love you. I meant it. I've known him now for getting close to 30 years (god i feel old saying that) but it's still true. He once told me that he had to hide most of his early life because in the south he had 2 big things against him, he was black and he was gay. I've seen a lot of moving forward here and i'm so happy. I told my child long ago I don't care who you love, just be loved back. Anyways, enough rambling, you really touched my feelings w/ this story. THANK YOU for being YOU
Thank you so much for sharing your story with me!!
I don’t comment often but I just wanted to express my admiration for you. You ooze class and wisdom. You give this niche community something to be really proud of. You’re special, and I thank you for what you do.
Sending love to you and your husband; I can't believe how much you guys have been through....my dad's friend in high school back in the 80s almost got beaten to death for being gay, but he stood up for him and saved his life.
Yeah, I saw a lot of gays beaten up while growing up in the 80s and 90s here in the UK.
I was a kid so couldn't do anything, but it always stuck with me.
Thank you for handling this situation with such tact. One of the reasons I'm a loyal fan of your channel.
I definitely missed where all this kicked off but I'm happy to hear you're all finding a way to move on and co-exist. Happy 18 years to you and your husband. Happy for you dude!
Thank you so much Tarks :) If you would like more context just watch the video I posted the day prior answering My "Most Asked Question"
18 years?, uuh, how old is he again?. I thought david is around 35
Even when I'm trying to not watch videos about video games in general, to not get too distracted (a problem I'm having) I always comeback to your channel. Not only because its great to hear someone talking with passion about something you like, but also for the simple fun and sincerity of your content. And as you said in your past video, nothing of this has anything to do with your sexuality, and, aside of a little inside joke from time to time, is something you never bring back in your videos, so far as I know. I also happen to watch some of Erik's videos, the fact he is from Mexico (and I'm also from Latinoamerica) perhaps make them more relatable to me, because the struggle it was to get videogames (and more rpgs) a couple of decades ago, and how of a weird hobby it was inside our own culture. So your incident with Erik brought back some memories about growing up in this side of the world, where's was (and sadly still is) a lot of negative prejudices about the gay community, and most of the straight people grew up learning to reject anything different to the "norm". Thankfully I learned trough life to break this ideas, sometimes the hard way, and saw all the pain and trauma that simple words and attitudes can create in someone, and the pain and indignation I felt in your voice (and rightfully so) just break my heart. I know this experiences can be a common place around the world, but I brought them up because I know of first hand how things are in Latinoamerica and sometimes you just do and say things for mere ignorance, sometimes as a joke, some others without even realizing it, but with not evil intention whatsoever, and I'm almost sure this was Erik case. And as in my case, I hope seeing how his actions ended up hurting someone will make his view of the world change a little, and helping realize we all are just people, beyond the place we live or who we slept with, and we all deserve the same respect and the same opportunities. I'm really sorry this situation brought you back some bad memories, but I'm thinking in Erik when I say we all can learn and change, and hopefully be better human beings. Keep up being the awesome guy you are and go ahead with your channel, it brings positive things to much more people than you can imagine.
We love you, David! You're the best!
Thanks to both of you for staying civil and all our support to Ken and you David !
Thank you for sharing some of Kens story. It brought a tear to my eye, but these are things that people that don't understand the LGBTQIA+ community need to hear. Hopefully it will make sense to them someday, but it still makes me mad how many have to suffer and die before some peoples eyes open...
This is not political, this is just human decency. It is sad that being decent to other people is being seen as a political stance. Thanks for being so open and vulnerable
"Peace cannot be achieved by force, it can only be achieved by understanding."
Thank you so much david! I cant imagine how very dificult is to talk about this subject. You are a such brave and gentle person and i wish to you and your husband the best and please never change. Greetings from Venezuela 😊❤
I’ve been watching both of you for over a year now and I enjoy your content for different reasons. I’ve also been an ally to the community for over a decade. One of my best friends is bi and he’s one of the best human beings I know. He’s very careful about the way he speaks to people and I’ve learned a lot about that through him. Unfortunately not everyone is that aware of their words and mistakes happen. Most of the time it’s an honest mistake and hopefully it’s a good learning experience.
David thank you for your video, and for your genuineness.
I am really sad to hear that Erik has behaved in this way as I used to enjoy his videos a lot. You are an inspiration and a wonderful member of the jrpg community. Anyone who would reject you or insult you based on your sexual orientation is not worth your or the community's time.
Please keep doing what you're doing and know we all love you.
Thank you so much!
I am a straight man, but supportive. When anyone ever suggests "gay is a choice", I ask them if Lefties choose to be lefties. The norm is right handed, lefties CAN use their right hand, but it don't feel natural. There is differences in people that make them left handed. If you are Left handed, it's because they where born left handed.
If you can get them to see that, you can open their mind to the fact that some things you can't choose. You can choose to be with a woman, but you would be a lefty writing with your right hand.
Same argument I use as well. Though I do think some people get turned out in prison.
I’ve never heard this before and as a left handed person I totally love it. People ask me all the time how it is to be left handed. Idk like being me? How does it feel to be right handed? I’ll start using this now 💖
Me: a gay leftie: do.... Do they cancel out?
No but seriously, this is the perfect analogy. My aunt was born left handed but was "fixed" by the nuns (1970s Ireland be like that) and ever since, she's been a bit off because of what that damage did to her
@@serenavox5540 As a fellow leftie, I get that. My paternal grandfather was also left-handed.
I try to think about what to say, and I'm speechless at how much tragedy, and loss Ken has dealt with, I'm so happy that he has you there with him to help ease his pain, thank you for sharing, I can't imagine how hard that had to have been to share, and I'm again so happy you two have each other.
as a fellow gaymer, I hope you take pride in being a safe space for everyone, regardless of their sexuality, race, gender identity etc.
Your channel is incredibly important to us 🌟
Well said, David. The "this isn't politics, this is my life" message is so powerful, and I feel like it's not as big a part of the conversation as it should be. Also, just really appreciate the maturity and strength of character you showed here.
A very wise and mature perspective David. I'm glad that you are emphasizing the value of communication and the power of words. Your honesty and approach to the situation is really something great 👍
Thank you for sharing this story, David. Like others have said, I came for the jrpg videos, I stayed for the awesome person you are. Nothing but love. Keep up the great work! 👍
Thank you David. This was really important for you to share, LGBT+ history is full of so much tragedy and struggle and I think it's easy for people outside the community to write us off as too sensitive, but we can never go back to how things used to be and if fighting for equal treatment and respect makes someone uncomfortable, that's just too bad.
Ultimately, the lesson here is, words hurt. I watched both videos. I am subscribed to both channels. Both of them cover my one of my favorite genres, JRPGs. However, I think at this point, it’s best that both parties agree to disagree. As someone who is a bisexual male, I do feel more for David than Erick, because LGBTQ+ individuals already have to go through so much in their personal lives. The fact that you are treated differently and can lose important connections, such as close friends and family, just because of who you’re attracted to is upsetting. Who I love and am intimate with shouldn’t have any effect on your personal life, but the thing is, straight people don’t have to think about things like this. Hell, some people are quicker to accept an interracial relationship than a gay relationship, and before y’all come at me, yes, there are still societies out there that frown upon interracial relationships. I’m glad both of them addressed the issue, but I definitely do know that this is a “forgive, but won’t forget” situation.
Thank you for your support in this situation :)
I grew tired of his channel which lead me to yours and I enjoy your content a great deal more. I couldn’t consider watching his knowing this. Thank you for sharing such a deep and heartfelt story and explanation to us. You have amazing charisma and a passion we all share for rpg’s. I’ll keep working through my backlog on your channel with upvotes and support!
You are easily one of my favorite jrpg content creators, your delivery and zeal for whatever game you're referencing shines through every video.
That being said, no one should ever think that you're beholden to some kind of standard (political or otherwise). You worked hard (and continue to) to get to this point.
I truly wish the best for you and Ken
As a straight dude, I can't say I relate to the legitimate struggles that people of the LGBT face. I can say that they have every right to exist, and live normal, human lives, with normal human experiences. This is from my limited experiences with members in that community that are close to me.
I can say though, that I am glad that you exist, and this video and this channel has helped me through my own biases.
Many, many a JRPG speak against discrimination and alongside it, speak themes of opposites finding common ground and coexisting.
To quote Guy from Tales of The Abyss: "Luke, you need to be more careful with your words."
It's easy and simple to articulate one's views without coming off as insensitive.
Great comment!
@@anonamatron and those people we ignore for they're the definition of insane. It doesn't matter what side, for whatever reason conflict starts because of differences, and clashing viewpoints.
People can reach one another despite their differences through understanding. Those who don't seek understanding, by default choose to further conflict.
thank you for sharing your light with the world. you've done more for humanity than Erick has, for starters, you saved the lives of alot of gay kids who found you on youtube and used you as a role model for them to do better in their own life and get affirmation that gay people can have full, loving, fruitful, and lovely lives. Just by doing youtube and sharing your hobbies. it means alot to many of us, myself included, that we can see someone like ourselves and feel like we belong, and theres plenty of room for us to create our lives with as well
Thank you so much for saying that. Comments like yours help me through hard times too :)
It's so easy to get up in arms about this and you're staying so civil and so even keeled. I doubt I'd be able to in your shoes.
Erick really needed to apologize for the plague comment and he didn't...
I can't even fathom what it is to go through what Ken went through. And as a married man myself, I know exactly how what happens to your partner effects you, especially when it's their pain.
I'm really sorry you've had to go through this. It's definitely not something anyone should have to worry about and I have much respect to how you have handled it.
I don't think he needed to apologize anyone who took it out of context is dumb he very clearly stated that the community is currently toxic and it is even the older generation would vastly agree with this and that he's no longer a fan of the current mindset he didn't explicitly use the phrase toxicity on multiple different platforms of the new millennial generation what that was clearly evident by reading between the lines anyone else needs to pick up on some comprehension lessons he literally had queer individuals on his channel so he's in no way homophobic and he is friends with gay individuals as well it's the same level of intitle toxicity that he's talking about and sensitivity like people trying to cancel Dave Chappelle but yes peoples feelings are valid and justified but in that context its more import that intent is gotten across to be not misconstrued words can never hurt me is not really true but at the same point it makes more sense to have some talk from both sides
@@Magnamaster Dude, he called the entire LGBT community a plague. If he had said "blacks" or "women" or "Mexicans" instead, you will see how he and now you are in the wrong.
@@omensoffate Yes he did. He did not specify when he made the remark, he only backpedaled on his most recent video and stated he meant x not y. If he stated in the first place that he had an issue with a specific grouping within the community rather than the community as a whole, well this convo wouldn't be happening.
@@omensoffate I am indeed thinking of the full context. He said the entire LGBT community is a plague. Taylor from The Gaming Shelf was shocked and says he regrets not calling him on it then. You are defending an incredibly bigoted statement right now which is quite telling.
Yeah he literally didn’t apologize for anything on his video he said he doesn’t regret anything David is just being extra nice to avoid drama but the other guy (and literally all the followers in his comments) don’t understand any part of the picture. They just said oh it’s a misunderstanding but as a grown man you DON’T just have misunderstandings about these things. There’s nothing to “agree to disagree” on and the fact David said they talked around in circles shows that the other guy didn’t learn anything
I don't know whether you will agree or not, but this was in a way ... a very unconventional yet beautiful collaboration.
You and Eric's interaction seem to have touched a lot of people the past two days.
I haven't read every single comment, but at first I saw a lot of outrage and anger in the comments.
But after Eric's video last night and yours today, the comments reflected more understanding and an unwillingness to hate than I was expecting.
You two talking it out and both coming out with a unified "we cleared the air" message is tremendous. Three hours, wow. You can't interact with someone that long without a level of civility.
This is the best collaboration we could have expected. It was obviously a painful experience for both of you, so I am saying that with sincere respect.
Thank you for sharing your story, that is a lot to carry.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and feelings on this. Ken's story is heartbreaking, and it really gives a dose of reality to a topic that nowadays does not get nearly as much attention. I'm only a few years younger than you, and even that small difference was enough to put me in an age bracket where most of my exposure to the AIDS conversation in the 90s was thru PSAs on special episodes on TV shows, or as fear fuel for pushing an broader abstinence agenda. A lot of people just truly aren't aware of the real impacts on fellow human lives by these types of conditions and situations throughout history, and sharing those stories with real names and real faces as opposed to just statistics can often help others develop or strengthen their sense of empathy, myself included. So thank you for being open.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them. You've shown yourself to be a good person, David.
Why people choose to separate because of hate instead of joining together out of love is something I will never understand. As someone who's been a fan of JRPGs since the 90s, this channel is a godsend. Keep up the good work!
I only recently found your channel, ironically while searching for one of Erik Landon's videos and that's when I found your first video going over your encounter, or lack thereof, with Erik. I wanted to chime in and say that I wholeheartedly feel for your situation and love the message of this video.
Even though I myself am straight, my best friend since college is gay, my brother-in-law (with whom I'm close) is gay, my wife is bi, my brother is bi and a very close friend is trans, and with all of us living in Texas, I've definitely seen the struggle that they've dealt with because of it, and often still do to this day, all for simply loving who they love and following who they are, I remember people trying to picket my brother-in-law's wedding and how much stress and pain that caused him and his fiancé (at the time, now husband). I see the pain on my trans friend's face when she is misgendered even after informing the other person of her gender. I've been there for my best friend after he was fired from a job simply because his boss found out he was gay and since Texas is a right-to-work state, was fired without any official reason needing to be given. I remember helping my brother to come to be okay with who he was, even though we were raised in a household with our father, who through homophobic slurs around like they were nothing and I saw how much pain that caused him.
It's a painful thing to witness those struggles with those you love and are close with. No human being deserves to feel like a disease, burden or being of lesser worth simply because they love who they love. I think it's great that the JRPG community on TH-cam has a person like you here to help them feel included, welcomed, and safe. I love the content and I instantly subscribed after finding these videos, please keep up all the great work and I sincerely wish the best for both you and your husband going into this new year.
I love your channel David and you are such a wonderful person. Im also a gay man from the south im my thirties and its still difficult that people can so casually decide that we don't have the right to exist and live our lives. In many ways im glad that they will never know what its like to know that your religious parents love is conditional, be constantly on guard for violence just because of who you are, or the constant cycle of "coming out" to each new coworker or acquaintance and preparing for their reaction. I love how open and straightforward you have been and with discussions like these things will continue to get better for those growing up now and in the future.
It’s very refreshing to see this handled in a mature and dignified manner, on both sides. You were willing to shrug off some hateful comments that shouldn’t have been said…However you never bad mouthed him. You truly are a role model to what other TH-camrs should be. Thank you for always producing great content and supporting a fantastic community!