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Fully upgraded colossus vs Fullly upgraded Chimera • Gold Colossus vs Upgra...
Fully upgraded Chimera vs Fully upgraded Fortress • Chimera Tyrant vs Full...
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This doesn't look so good for the Colossus until you remember they can heal themselves by consuming trees and gold.... which I only discovered like 10 years after playing AoM for the first time.
I feel you, I did the same :'(
What, it was just right click in his portrait dude
I always clicked on the portraits of every unity to know how it works and its myths
@@faztznya5207 I did it as well, I spent a good part of my first times playing reading about all of the units and God's in the main menu at the beginning... And still I didn't see that.
also they got the most upgrades...Gold Colossus has like 1400hp was it
Wait. They can eat trees also. Lol had no idea
back inna day. Golden colloseus was unbeatable
It pretty much still is lmao. Literallt the only myth unit you can upgrade twice. Nothing beats him in a 1 vs 1 unless it has an insta kill ability, not even mid-low tier heroes.
@@oom-3262 Chimera Tyrant still wins in a 1v1 but yeah
It just eats buildings, some high level players literally use their godpowers like chaos just to counter colossi.
The colossus can "eat" trees and mines for healing
Ill pick cyclops and minotaur
Dang, Medusa couldn’t turn that stone fortress to stone. Fortress op.
When she walks next to the fortress she's better like the Ch.. She has crush attack.
OK I'll go ahead and take this way more seriously than I should. I have a few caveats here:
1. You can't let a melee unit duel a ranged unit and then conclude that the melee one is better when it beats the ranged. Ranged units are much more squishy but are supposed to stand in the backline and pump out damage without getting hurt. Of course it will lose once you take the range advantage away.
2.the fortresses didn't attack the colossus and the chimera because fortresses in their base form can't attack units that are standing right in front of them. You need a special upgrade for that.
3. The Murmillos that fought the chimera were base Murmillos. By the time the these mythic age myth units roll around, the enemy will have elite soldiers. Granted you will probably have upgraded your myth units too but still.
4. The carcinos lost against the nereid because nereids are strong against myth units.
I agree. It is a fun video but his method is very flawed. You shouldnt take the information seriously.
@@Glacius96 Any tips on how I could make these videos extremely "accurate" then? Cause I plan to make more in-depth ones since some people seem to be interested.
@@Nexotic0 If I tried to compare different myth units I would let them fight as part of a small army. To keep it comparable, create 2 armies out of, lets say for the classical age 7 Hoplites and 3 Toxotes with one Minotaur on the one side and one Zentaur on the other side. That way you could look how each unit would fare in a real game because you won't hardly ever have a duel between myth units. Then I'd vary the army composition slightly for each subsequent age but always use two identical armies for compareability. I would also upgrade my army and myth units to the latest tech, so medium infantry for the classical, heavy for the heroic and champion for the mythic and gold colossus vs Medusa matriarch and so on and so forth. I know you can't spawn upgraded units in the Editor but if you team up with a friend you can upgrade your units once the game has started.
However when letting two armies clash there is higher randomnes in the outcome because there are way more ways 10 units can interact than just 2. To combat this I would run multiple simlations for each versus battle and look who wins most on average.
That's how I would do it but this may very well also not be perfect and could be improved upon. Just my 2 cents on the topic :)
@@paulhee8559 it is possible to have upgrades in the editor, although I'm not sure if it requires triggers or if setting the age correctly and having the right buildings built is sufficient. Maybe that last method would work if you somehow set the editor to death match mode?
@@ArduousNature I could probably install the game on my laptop and run vs matches with and without upgrades with myself. Might be the easiest option.
The trigger's in the editor are bugged for me because of my 2560x1440 resolution.
Medusa: 'My gaze will turn you to stone!'
Castle: *laughs in already being made of stone*
Cool video, ( 4:30 Un-upgraded fortresses can't attack units directly next to them)
Oh so much like boiling oil for watch towers. Ahhhhhh
@dobo Interesting. Well of course kiting wasn't apart of the test since it just was a video covering the general strength of each myth unit. I should load up a game with a friend and make a more in-depth followup video. That being said if you are playing against AI, they won't really kite your units around with some exceptions but you as a player can use the centaur to kite the AI. Will definitely keep that in mind
and... the Scila?
*Scylla
Felt like making a Age of Mythology video randomly, so I did :)
Thanks you for great videos.... I love it 🥰😍😘
Love it
that's the best ones
I'm glad you did. Please keep on doing that
Didn't the greeks have two naval myth unit? The scylla and the crab thing?
If Carcinos die, they do a big splash damage explosion!
If it's 1v1 Medusa wins against everything she has a 1-shot passive that insta kill anything that isn't a hero unit :D
The Mummy has a one shot that kills even heroes.
@@mee091000 Untrue
Mummy can’t kill heroes
Overall good vid, but if you ever plan to make them more accurate and take more facts into account, you should take a look at Spirit of the Law, an Age of Empires 2 youtuber. He does very good in depth videos and compares production costs, time, how they fit into different builds and playstyles, matchups...
@protoxx As a tip, within the characteristics to evaluate, you must take into account the speed. And when you face 1 vs 1, a Centaur vs a Cyclops, you can not put melee, you must perform MICRO with the centaur, where he hits and runs, to see how it turns out. Centaurs don't fight hand-to-hand with anyone. To put an example.
Yeah centaurs are amazing, especially to snipe early important enemy units.
3:54 Please don't remind me of the time a guy defeated my Colossus with his puny hoplites.
Good to see someone making AOM content.
Will you compare human units as well?
Eventually
I'm also making AOM content :D there are quite some AOM TH-camrs out there!
Stupid video but good to know ppl still play aom
The fortress needs to have burning oil upgrade to actually hit units that are meleeing it
I always thought that was sand they were pouring into the enemies.
@@JonatasAdoM ahahahahaha 😂😂😂 I figured out it was oil after learning about an indian emperor famous for defending his forts against HUGE armies and it was one of his tactics xD
RS3 to AoM
Same Audience too! Y'all are my type!
Prostagma?
The collossel is the best one,he is a supper agrisive tank siege unit
Colossus is best, always. Because he is a Colossus.
Also cool voice and comes in different metal variety!
Whatever you say... Medusa all the way!
oh yeah
I still think Collosi are the best Greek myth unit, due to the fact that they're able to regenerate by eating trees and gold mines as well as the fact that they have high crush and hack damage (which is effective against units, myth units and buildings alike) as well as two upgrades that make them even more powerful.
I think the Colossus is a solid siege unit that can defend itself against humans, and Hephaestus Plenty Vault is almost always the strongest option in Mythic for Greeks. That said, a mass of Myrmidons and Medusae can annihilate most other army comps, and I have a soft spot for going max archer power as Hades with Ares, Apollo, and Artemis.
True but they are slow
There's something comical about a giant crab flailing its claws like that
As if it's dancing or sth
Medusa is the best unit if you fight 1vs1 (vs no heroes)
Chimera is so strong and stable unit agains mass army
But Colossus can regenerate when he eat gold (if you didnt know) and he is so strong agains buildings and units
But i prefer mass cyclops units because Colossus cost 400 gold and for 1000 gold you can made 2 Colossus, but 4 Cyclops (250 gold i think).. Cyclops are to strong agains buildings and units too and can stand up units
colossus such a classic unit highest hp also eats gold n tree roots its such a badass unit along with other giants like mountain giants frost giant fire giant , i also love the avenger and heka giant
Hey bro. Have you ever watch WWE ?
Dude I used to spam the Fire Giant, it is one of my favourite Myth Units in the game for sure!
There's a giant crab in the game? 🧐 I have played this thousands of hours and I didn't know. 😬
Same
Not a very practical test. In in game situations, the centaur is probably the best classical age unit because of raiding, the cyclops is only good if you plan to destroy your opponent in an all-in fashion in classical age. in the herooc age, I think you can go for some hydras but In general you wouldn't focus on mythical units. The medusa is not good because it's only good against very few opponents. The chimera I beralt used but it seems alright. The main goal in mythical age with zeus is to mass colossus though and absolutely kill everything. They don't die, and you need a lot of hero's to counter them. The best mythical unit of the greeks is the colossus. And the centaur in early game.
Its gotta be the Colossi for the Mythic Age. They can regenerate easily with high dps
Hefaestus cult is the most broken absolutely, giving the magical vault which gives infinite resources (put it into a fortified city and you will become unbeatable) and giving the strong Colossus. But on other sides, Medusa is cheap and can oneshot non heroic or titan units, and this is pretty op, while Chimera is a solid unit with high stats. Greek are really strong late game overall.
PS: It's normal Carcinos loses to nereids, they annihilated all water myth creatures. Carci and Scylla are good water units.
Mass medusas with some tank units in the front and you simply melt any army
mythical tanks units or infantry?
This was a really cool analysis on one of my childhood games... must say man it was great to see you make such a video ^.^
Assuming you're coming from my main channel? ^^
@@Nexotic0 no actually I just searched age of mythology 😂😂😂
If you churn out medusa's & put heros & mymiridons out front they'll just absolutely wreck everything. They recharge their special so quickly that even a group of 5, when protected by other units, will melt all other units.
So the Medusa's recharge time should be increased, I'll try to keep this in mind for my personal "data" mod
Nereid has huge bonus against myth units. She wrecks every myth unit on water. She is an anti myth unit
Yep, stronk.
Or on shore :)
Lol, its kai- mera but good video
Bruhhh a colossus wins against a fortress o.o
He a big strong boi
Chimera with hard K
Nostalgia❤
Everyone knows the strongest Greek is Arkantos.
"BALESTA!"
It's 'Malista' for reference :)
what about scylla?
Fun fact about the Minotaur: it can be considered a pseudo-instant-kill alternative to the Cyclops as its headbutt special attack instantly kills the below UNMODIFIED human soldiers:
Peltast (Greek)
Toxotes (Greek)
Slinger (Egyptian)
Axeman (Egyptian)
Spearman (Egyptian)
Throwing Axeman (Norse)
Arcus (Atlantean)
Turma (Atlantean)
It also severely damages the below unmodified human soldiers such that a follow-up regular attack kills them:
Chariot Archer (Egyptian)
Mercenary (Egyptian)
Ulfsark (Norse)
Huskarl (Norse)
Raiding Cavalry (Norse)
What about Chinese human soldiers? Which unmodified ones can be instantly killed by the Minotaur's headbutt or severely injured such that only 1 regular attack is needed to kill them?
Wirth noting that the minotaur can insta kill more things, or di better by knocking them out if bounds, which would keep the unit alive but useless until manually sucided
We all know it doesn't matter which unit is the best because we all got Collosus anyways as we all wanted that precious vault
You missed Scylla, the water version of the Hydra.
Highly doubt a Chimera beats a fortress 1v1? You didn't have the boiling oil tech to let attack at short range
Carcinos, first english person who I hear say something right without butchering our language. Thank you
ok but he still butchered the pronunciation of chimera
@@martinzdarsa1924 Yea I realised that later actually lol, he butchered every word almost except carcinos apparently
Ngl, his pronunciation of "chimera" was getting on my nerves
Medusa is still best mithic in my books. Its ability is brutal against other mith units and the fact that she's ranged keeps her alive for longer than the chimera and if you mass medusas you become basically unstoppable. Bring in catapults to deal with buildings and some infantry+minotaur frontline and you're good. The greeks can also generate favor easyer than other races, so the high cost is not that big of an issue. Any instakill mechanic would be rediculous, but giving it to a ranged unit is just broken in my oppinion.
well said
Agree, she can oneshot even strong myth units, including heavy expensive ones like Colossus or Fire Giant. Only way to counter her is a large group of heroes, which are immune
When fighting few regular units against myth unit you should do a 3 separate tests. Myth units, like other units, have various attack types and different values for different armour types. You should check each unit against few basic infantry, archers and cavalry.
Damn I have never heard anyone mispronounce Minotaur like that in my life.
And escila?
Is Hard to me Choose not apollo because the greeks lack of healing ways
Please make videos of myth unit of different civilization aganist each other
hay what about the escila? the other one water myth unit?
Protoxx btw Colossus got a huge nerf. Colossus no longer has 3x damage bonus vs myth units and he now has 1000hp instead of 1100 as before. Hes now basically useless in everything except crushing buildings. Sad
In the extended edition? rip :(
@@Nexotic0 Yes. Idk why they nerfed him. Like, theres a multiplayer in extended edition and maybe they thought hes op, but come on, he was the most expensive and the slowest trainable myth unit in the game. I was picking greeks just to play Colossus later on. Epic looking unit. And also lore friendly
Look at this boy forgetting about the scylla
I purposely left it out at the time
chimeras pronounced with a kai, not a chi sound
this does not tell the whole story as some units can be upgraded, meaning that even a Tyrant Chimera cannot beat 10 champion murmillos and so on. But anyway I agree Chimera is the best overall MU (in 1vs1 obviously Medusa Matriarch is the best in the game)
In terms of stats sure, but dude, centaurs are fucking amazing in actual gameplay they are super fast, have long range a super precise attack that allows the to snipe units and if you micro they can defeat anything. Especially considering you get them so early.
Regarding greek mythical units my money goes for hydra and perhaps cyclops because is cheaper and you can have them early in the game, so you can have a better advantage of that, perhaps hydra because she doesn't need an upgrade, has reasonable speed and a good bonus against buildings.
So,Chimera is best.
Even if poor Medusa could use her special atack on buildings , she would just convert stone to stone without damaging the buildings (or make Norse wooden buildings stone which would improve them😢)
I have a question how to do these with extra software or in built in the game
the game has its own scenario maker
The Colossus isn't that great in melee combat, it's more of a siege weapon. They lose against every other 'heavyweight' myth unit like Avenger, Heka Gigantes or Mountain Giant.
No centaurs?
If units are from a higher age, it doesn't mean they're necessary better... It wasn't even meant to be like that.
Nice!
I always thought the Chimera was one of the most overpowered units in the game.
Colossus are the best. To 100 %. Not because my name or because I love him. It's because the reality and the swag. You made it wrong. Also Medusa is on second place, because crush attack against buildings. Go next to a building and without upgrades or 10 Medusas and the buildungs are f**k3d.
Really wrong test. Ch is the weakest to 100 %.
Honestly you have no idea and experience.
but what about Pegasus??
Where do you download this game??
buy it on steam
2:41 It's Colossi bro
medusa is op
Medusa petrifies ston Colossus.
What?
@protoxx I want to visualize a comparison like this, of the Greek heroes, Age by age and if there is one of a younger age that can beat an older one, I would like to see it.
no way its you
Hail Hydra
Pretty good analysis
Though would be really better if you also showed the units full upgraded as well, maybe we would have a turnaround.
So for whatever reason (I wanted to do it) my editor kept crashing when wanting to upgrade units. Not sure why
Why do people even use manticores?
are manticores not good?
@@nickybutch3 they cost 5 population...and way too expensive
I love medusas for base defense, and turning scouts to stone.
So Poseidon is best Greek god if we hold this video true
well god powers also make a big difference, it's not just myth units either.
Zeus is the best for PvP
Dude AOM is fantastic. Have you ever thought of playing total war warhamm3er?
Ive played 100+ hours of total warhammer 2 :)
@@Nexotic0 Hell Yea dude, do you do any MP?
Occasionally, not often tho
This is science. I love it.
is it me or you sound Dutch.
how do you make that map like sandbox mode?
its called the editor
Kai-meera
I miss Scylla in this video
Hydra: Just kill more units 4Head
You can kill deer and other wild animals for free heads.
Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition when? (0 u 0)
I like AoM much more
@@Nexotic0 reee
But jokes aside they are both amazing games!
How the hell i didnt see that o_o
What about the Scylla?
at that time I just excluded water myth units.
I made a full video covering them though! th-cam.com/video/ime5HSPqRtU/w-d-xo.html (2:21 for scylla)
cheemehra
Murmilliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiio ftw
Csiméra.
You can just micro everything down with 5 centaurs.
Medussa
I died inside every time you mispronounced chimera. OMFG dude, soooo annoying. Even worse than your einhejar, which you made sound like a jar of einher in the norse myth units video. Some proper pronunciation will be welcome in the future.
Omg dude you are straight up butchering the names...
common medusa W