Indeed, magic comboing is the true mastery of magic. Managing memory slots, mp, making sure the spells tie well into other spells, choosing a weapon that scales with your stat and combos with spells. The lower stats, so you must be more careful. But the best part is the variety.
@@Razielts1 exactly this, i also like to memorise my spells and were i put them for that nice chain cast, this is the true meaning to be a caster, most spell can work and theres a handful that will really do some dmg but when you go against a true caster, they will use a range of different spells and tactics, my favourite combo to date is using elden star, then black flame ritual chained into red lighting, use spell duration talisman and youll get a full charge for all 3 and get a massive aoe going, was a nice build could switch between int and faith effortlessly and really didnt matter what weapon i used and in pvp, i really made players think about how to attack me because i started with a strength build as well but the most fun ive had is with caster builds by far
@@jjedmonds-ml4kb very nice, i go for thematic casters, so i do combos that way. Like the godskin death lord using all death magic and Godslayer magic with a few sorceries in the mix. Dragon cult acolyte uses Erd tree magic, and dragon cult magic and so on. This way i made 10 magic builds
It’s not easy, if you want to have enough mana and intelligence to actually do damage you end up not being very tanky, also the animations for spell casting are lengthy and you cannot dodge while you are casting, so you need to have timing down and know the boss fights well because you die in 1-2 hits Practically doing a no hit run playing squishy mage
See this is a COOL mage duel. When neither person is running Stars of Ruin or Moonveil, and people actually use all their memory slots, these are insanely fun. I killed a guy with TIBIA SUMMONS the other day on an int faith hybrid build near level 200. There are so many cool spells in this game but for some reason people only use like 3 in duels. I have MASSIVE respect for you using Loretta’s mastery like that. So cool.
Stars of ruin isn't even that bad anymore since the nerf to its tracking. Star shower is significantly worse. has better tracking and deal stagger damage.
stars of ruin is a neccessary counter to assholes who just run after you and spam rolls waiting for you to empty your mp. In duels it's rarely neccessary, but against invaders who just flee when they're alone and hide behind monsters, it's delicate to win without it.
int faith hybrid builds are so fun, I've been doing this one for fun where I mostly use short range incantations (sword sorceries, dragonclaw, lightning weapons, etc) and it works a surprising amount of the time because people r not ready for it. ghostflame explosion is surprisingly great actually.
The game just handles large spell lists really poorly. You can only have one active at a time and you can only rotate it in one direction. It's just really clunky and requires more practice just to become somewhat comfortable with than most casual players are prepared to tolerate, particularly when a lot of the spells are functionally clones of each other with just different looking projectiles for the opponent to dodge roll.
@@ghostderazgriz Honestly for me Stars of Ruins tracking wasn't really the issue, but more the poise stun locking they did so they could close the distance with Moonveil or RoB early on in the games release. Or the pure sorcery stun killer. Stars of Ruin to stun lock well the caster closes the distance with Glintblades.
As a devious buffoon once said: "Shit man, this wizard war is fucked. I just saw a guy clap his hands together and say "the ten hells" or some similar shit, and every one around him turned inside out, had their tibia explode and then disappeared. The camera didn't even go onto him, that's how common shit like this is. My ass is casting frostbite and level 2 poison. I think I just heard "power word:scrunch" two groups over. I gotta get the fuck outta here."
In dark souls 2 i strictly played a pure sorcery build for almost 600 hours and i had to get creative and use two staves, one on each hand, one the fastest casting staff and the other the slowest. I had to cast from both to mess with people's timing when dodging, it actually worked pretty consistently, but without doing that i would've been doomed in 90% of the duels.
I also ran some sorcerer built and mainly used the different types of spells to rollcatch people. Also had some poison clouds and weapon to give me some space against aggressive players. DS2 PVP was just the best 😍
Fun fact: Anti-Mage Mage builds are hilarious. Most mages run Eternal Darkness or one of the Moons, especially when facing another caster...but there's a few spells that can be used to counteract this, namely Briars of Punishment, as well as the Night Sorceries to some extent. BoP is really good at throwing other mages for a loop, especially since it's not often used in typical gameplay (because its otherwise outclassed in some form), and because of it's timing compared to other spells.
Honestly they should have Vow of Silence in this game. Not only would it make certain pve areas hilarious to navigate, it would be a good way to dumpster mages in pvp AND would fit in the lore too (there was a war between the erdtree and the academy and you're telling me NEITHER side learned to cancel spells?)
I love mana-rich magic builds. The spells look cool and are creative. I hope the DLC bring more of them (specially blood magic, cuz we have like 2 of them and they suck) This battle was something else by the way!
@@sanguillotine so you got briars of sin and the other briars spell as sorcery Incantations you have blood boon, blood claw and blood flies. Those first two come from Mohg, the final one you find on the mohgwyn palace area on a tunnel
@@sanguillotine blood flies combo well with briars of punishment, at mid to short range blood boon followed by blood claw. On my Outer god Warlock build i use all status effects to combo those spells together with other statuses
@@AshenSentinel24 No. Just PURE CASTING magic! No melee. Magic 8s the essential piece. They already made a great ranged boss in Darklurker. Now just make more bosses like that.
I'd like to at least see a staff that casts a different spell with each move! Maybe R1 for Soul Arrow/Glintstone Pebble, hold for Heavy Soul Arrow/Comet, maybe R2 while charging for Soul Stream/Comet Azur, or hit R2 for Soulmass/Carian equivalent, etc
people complain about balance in this game, but it's barely a year old and these devs had to consider SO many different playstyles and combat mechanics. I think they're doing great.
Hot take: sekiro aside, this arguably is already the most balanced fromsoft game yet, very few things feel like they're not viable as of now. Dark souls didn't come near that and even Bloodborne had like a third of its weapons be very underwhelming compared to the rest. Though maybe Bloodborne and ER are tied with this
Stop making excuses for them, anyone with two braincells to bang together can figure out that if you make bleed procs take 15% off a healthbar, ofc it's gonna be completely broken.
One of my favourite spells is actually Night Maiden's Mist, even though it damages myself I get into really wacky situations trying to run around and push enemies into the mist.
I use it mainly for light, spammy, and high-damage PVE enemies, or groups. I.E, the types that tend to surround you and stunlock you to death if you miss one dodge. Sometimes, the best method of dealing with a gaggle of aggressors is by just throwing poison mist at them, it seems.
Seeing a full on sorcery duel is refreshing, a majority of the content I have seen on Elden Ring was bullgoat, or Lionel, and dual naginatas, or two lances. This was great!
I mean, pretty much anyone, with proper training, can swing a sharp piece of metal or shoot a bow - but to become a living artillery and bombard enemies with powers from beyond is another story entirely. Also, versatility
You're definitely not the only one, I've played all souls games, and rpg games with magic. Dark souls 1,2,3 Archmage using all 4 spell types, Bloodborne Kos parasite build. Now in Elden ring I'm doing all thematic mages: Primeval Master ( Azur & Lusat mode ) Only Raya Lucaria comet, start and crystal magic. Carian Royal ( Moonblade & Darkmoon ) - only carian magic + ice magic Sellian Trickster - only invisibility and bubble magic Fire Lord High Priest - Fire giant and Lava magic Dragon Acolyte ( needs dlc to help him ) - Dragon cult + Erd tree magic Dragon Druid - Dragon communion magic Crucible Beastman - Beast magic and Crucible magic Golden order Paladin - Erd tree + Fundamentalist magic Outer god Warlock - All status magic, poison, blood, rot, madness, ice Godskin Death lord - Godslayer + Death magic
Cooler to watch because its easy to Fight n presured.. Btw nuub star of ruin already nerfed to the ground.. Its not i Like moonveil cause that thing is hard to fight when either player laging.. Pebble also very easy to dodge
A it’s such a good time when people use the spells they like instead of whatever spell is ranked best. It’s so much more fun fighting a guy using his own build, and not a carbon copy of one from a strategy guide.
you would like my main build then, it was a strenght/faith build with the bastard sword (my favorite weapons in dark souls 2 and 3), with the red lion flamme weapons art and some support spells (health regen, light orb spell,buff spells,...) with no headgear, yura armor, yura gauntlet and milician trouser to give a wanderer mercenary/witcher like style to the character. unfortunately, i stopped playing it and probably never come back,because i play game for fun and not for tryhard,so on the long term,I’ve got tired of getting crushed like a sh*t by bosses who were designed to be as overpowered and unfair as possible, and disgust by toxic invaders who always come harassed you whenever you want to coop with friends. and add to that i go through very hard thing in my personnal life since 1,5 years, so i think you can understand playing games like that who were designed to reminded you constantly you’re just an insect here to be beated to a pulp by almost everything isn’t a good idea when you suffer from depression and loneliness in real life.
I'm surprised neither of them tried to rush the other with Carian slicer or Adula's moonblade. That's what I usually do when I'm fighting against another mage.
@@nutterbotter8308 nah, either dual wield the carian staves for the + 20% spell damage or use Lusat's staff main hand and offhand carian for ~ 35% more damage. you can 2-3 shot with slicer alone that way.
I truly dont understand how anyone could argue that magic isn't inherently easier. I'm not getting into certain builds or spells or weapons. On face value, mages are a mile away and mostly out of danger. Anything that could reach them is easily readable and dodgeable because the distance gives more time to do so. It's like saying a sniper is in more danger than someone in a knife fight. Which is to say, objectively false. The melee guy in the knife fight is up close in constant danger while the mage is far away in relative safety.
As someone who mains a pure dex build in PvP, my favorite opponents are spam mages now that stars of ruin can be dodged. I feel the Naruto music playing in my brain as I dodge all the projectiles.
I was just trying to do varré's quest and invaded someone, it was three people using the mimic veil and when I found them they all immediately spammed as many soceries possible, I didn't even have enough time to heal. Who knew I could find someone who out spammed gideon
I once had an epic mimic veil duel where me, the host, and his summons were all disguised as sewer trash in the pipes under the capital. It turned into a contest of who would notice who moving first. In the end, I spent 5 minutes lying in wait, watching a box and a dead rat slowly creeping towards my dead rat. Then, when they finally got close enough... I jumped them with RoB spam and killed them all like the punk I was :p
Honestly, I would recommend Thop's Barrier instead of Carian Retaliation if you're going to be using Carian Phalanx. Similar effect and doesn't override your phalanx.
I’d experimented with that spell because i think is unique and has an element of surprise and combo potential the only problem is you have to be a timing master to properly take advantage of it. Which i am not 😅
Thop's Barrier is too clunky to use if you have so many spells equipped. Carian Retaliation is always just going to be more reliable because it's an ash of war so you can press L2 and immediately cast it when you need it
As someone who enjoys living viciously through big brained people in the soulslike community i see a plethora of builds, to say the least. Seeing this title, i as expecting much a montage of frantic spell casting and seeing who can one shot. I was not expecting this to be the first mage battle i see. Very strategic and great battle by both fighters. I may not know what's going on with the icons to the left and names of whatever but I'm here for the game play, YTber challenges and memes. I love that i found this video.
How did you get your hands on Touhou 19 early? It looks interesting, but I'm not sure if I like the direction the series is going. Seriously, the artstyle change and the switch to 3D are quite puzzling. I also don't recognize any of the characters!
It's just like the mad god said: "My entire fucking world is filled with nothing but Mages, and battles among Mages are one of the most boring ones in existence!" "You ever seen people just flinging stuff at each other from a distance for hours on end? Shit's boring as fuck!"
yeah this kinda gameplay only works when the duelists have agreed to a certain conduct.. could have been over sooner if either of them decided to play more aggressively
If you had Ambush Shard equipped you would have been able to snipe them without them being able to reaction dodge if you were concealed by Eternal Darkness, might need the Arrow's Reach Talisman depending on the distance. Would have spared you some of the hassle in this fight.
Pro strategy is not to lock on actually all the time. Those hovering swords you can backstep towards someone and turn around to instant tag them as a surprise.
It's hardly worth the cost for PvP since the tracking was nerfed, it's only good at punishing long animations and even then other spells do it better for cheaper. If you want a poking spell, its lesser variant, Star Shower, is better for that now. SoR still shreds PvE tho, as enemies only dodge once on the initial cast.
I love seeing mage vs mage fights but mage vs melee is usually extremely one-sided. Either the melee rushes the mage and destroys them or the caster just burns the melee down.
People are complaining but I’ve been a powerstance strength build main for almost a decade and I think this is cool as fuck. This is what makes souls games so sick.
These guys are incredibly bad. Not even from an elitist standpoint, they're just plain bad. Panic rolling, not taking advantage of anything, just spam until something connects. 90% of their spells have absolutely no purpose, they're not thinking at all.
Collapsing Stars is literally my favorite spell in the game. Glad to see it getting some use. It's even better when you use it with CRS's buffed Spinning Weapon Ash of War. Throw in some Carian Slicers and Piercers, and you've got a surprisingly powerful close range build.
I have not gotten good in PvP, but I've gone for a magic boost and free spell with the flask of Wondrous Physique, and in order to completely thrash a boss or many enemies, Meteorites of Astel can bé devastating.
Such a shame that FROM doesn't want to give casters a combat update. It's like, can we finally lose the useless R2 Bonk and have a cantrip spell tied to the catalyst instead. (Something similar to Farron Dart/Flashsword power wise but costs 0 FP to use.) The lack of access to the spell-like Ash of Wars was also a bit of a disappointment, as having access to something like 'Ice Spear' on a Staff would've been some nice eye candy to have.
@@clankymocha I personally have my doubts, as it appears to me that it was a top-down executive design choice to make catalysts fully dependent on being used to compliment a weapon. Which I think was the biggest reason for catalysts being stuck with only 3 options for AoW. While a pure caster build is viable, it's also a bit impractical, as doing so leaves a lot of dead space in your arsenal options compared to other builds. Bows/Crossbows are also stuck in the same rut as Pure Casters: Lack of AoW variety, no infusions, heavy talisman reliance, and resource limited attacks. It just irritates me, mostly because martial builds get new updates with nearly every new title, while Casters/Ranged Builds have practically remained the same since Demon's Souls.
@@Battleguild I agree that incantations and bows/crossbows seem to only exist to compliment a melee playstyle, bows and crossbows are bad at it too because of their scaling But I think sorcery has come a very long way in terms of being your main source of damage since ds1 for example, we now have a very wide selection of spammable projectiles, slow ones, fast ones, ones made for crowd control or have an AOE, some are chargeable spell, some are long range spells, others have short range, there are even spells meant for stealth and now we even have a good selection of melee spells Add to that the fact we also now have 3 different defensive spells to deal with incoming projectiles and we he have what I think is a pretty robust magic system in its own right that is very much worth expanding on. Though gravity based spells could be better at actually pulling enemies and such. Incantations have come a very long way too but they serve a very different purpose, there's a reason we don't really have a spammable bread and butter type spell for them, they clearly are meant for melee builds like pyromancies and miracles before them.
@@clankymocha I absolutely agree that ER has the best spells out of the Soulsborne games. The problem I have with casters is the fact that the L1 (while two-handed), L2, and R2 buttons for pure casters are effectively dead buttons. (With a single AoW as an exception.) Being completely limited to R1 and UP-D to function, or L1 if you are using two catalysts. Casters and Crossbows are also blocked off from Power Stance, so we also completely miss out in combat tech there as well.
@@Battleguild I think you are supposed to have something in your other hand to counteract this, you could use a small backup melee weapon, it doesn't have to be your main source of damage at all(after all, all sorcerer classes have always started with a dagger in their inventory) or, what I prefer is having a shield, scholar's shield lets you turn any small or medium shield to a 100% physical negation one and also have great magic defense But what I really use them for is carian retaliation, parrying spells feels so great, though I wish they'd buff it to deal respectable damage again, the nerf was a bit too much.
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“While you were off getting maidens, I mastered the art of sorcery”
They are more "intelligent" after all compared to the religious faith Mormons and the typical unga Bunga low IQ strength bros
Maidenless behavior.
@@slinderb.4592 Much better use of time. Kudos sorcerer
Disregard maidens, acquire sorcery.
Better if you move "off" after "maidens."
"And thus my opponent was slain"
"What weapon did you use?"
"A Fuck ton of pixie dust"
Faith, trust, and the magic equivalent of an autocannon.
Well...int, trust, and the magic autocannon.
Went from an action game to a strategy game
As it should be. Almost chess like
@@cesare_1302 5d chess
Action is strategic
Pray tell what’s the strategy spam magic spells? 😂
Turning Elden Ring into an RTS
This is how magic battle should be done,
It is not about how powerful the magic is.
It is how creative and prepared you are.
“Yes, you’re big brained… but can you use it? Time to find out.”
it ain't magic if it ain't flashy -a particular magician
Indeed, magic comboing is the true mastery of magic.
Managing memory slots, mp, making sure the spells tie well into other spells, choosing a weapon that scales with your stat and combos with spells.
The lower stats, so you must be more careful. But the best part is the variety.
@@Razielts1 exactly this, i also like to memorise my spells and were i put them for that nice chain cast, this is the true meaning to be a caster, most spell can work and theres a handful that will really do some dmg but when you go against a true caster, they will use a range of different spells and tactics, my favourite combo to date is using elden star, then black flame ritual chained into red lighting, use spell duration talisman and youll get a full charge for all 3 and get a massive aoe going, was a nice build could switch between int and faith effortlessly and really didnt matter what weapon i used and in pvp, i really made players think about how to attack me because i started with a strength build as well but the most fun ive had is with caster builds by far
@@jjedmonds-ml4kb very nice, i go for thematic casters, so i do combos that way.
Like the godskin death lord using all death magic and Godslayer magic with a few sorceries in the mix.
Dragon cult acolyte uses Erd tree magic, and dragon cult magic and so on.
This way i made 10 magic builds
Man now I understand why my friends make fun of me for playing magic
it's also because it's kinda... really easy...
you just cast and the enemies don't dodge.
It’s not easy, if you want to have enough mana and intelligence to actually do damage you end up not being very tanky, also the animations for spell casting are lengthy and you cannot dodge while you are casting, so you need to have timing down and know the boss fights well because you die in 1-2 hits
Practically doing a no hit run playing squishy mage
@@mrbearjangles8600 ah yes, no enemy in the entire game dodges spells
@@michaelmilakovic9701 magic is broken..its by far the easiest way to beat the game
casting is so boring, when i made a mage character i ended up just using a magic claymans harpoon with ice spear and barely used any spells
See this is a COOL mage duel. When neither person is running Stars of Ruin or Moonveil, and people actually use all their memory slots, these are insanely fun. I killed a guy with TIBIA SUMMONS the other day on an int faith hybrid build near level 200. There are so many cool spells in this game but for some reason people only use like 3 in duels. I have MASSIVE respect for you using Loretta’s mastery like that. So cool.
Stars of ruin isn't even that bad anymore since the nerf to its tracking. Star shower is significantly worse.
has better tracking and deal stagger damage.
stars of ruin is a neccessary counter to assholes who just run after you and spam rolls waiting for you to empty your mp.
In duels it's rarely neccessary, but against invaders who just flee when they're alone and hide behind monsters, it's delicate to win without it.
int faith hybrid builds are so fun, I've been doing this one for fun where I mostly use short range incantations (sword sorceries, dragonclaw, lightning weapons, etc) and it works a surprising amount of the time because people r not ready for it. ghostflame explosion is surprisingly great actually.
The game just handles large spell lists really poorly. You can only have one active at a time and you can only rotate it in one direction. It's just really clunky and requires more practice just to become somewhat comfortable with than most casual players are prepared to tolerate, particularly when a lot of the spells are functionally clones of each other with just different looking projectiles for the opponent to dodge roll.
@@ghostderazgriz Honestly for me Stars of Ruins tracking wasn't really the issue, but more the poise stun locking they did so they could close the distance with Moonveil or RoB early on in the games release. Or the pure sorcery stun killer. Stars of Ruin to stun lock well the caster closes the distance with Glintblades.
As a devious buffoon once said: "Shit man, this wizard war is fucked. I just saw a guy clap his hands together and say "the ten hells" or some similar shit, and every one around him turned inside out, had their tibia explode and then disappeared. The camera didn't even go onto him, that's how common shit like this is. My ass is casting frostbite and level 2 poison. I think I just heard "power word:scrunch" two groups over. I gotta get the fuck outta here."
that guy funny as fuck he once told me to forgive myself, iv been a changed man since
ahaha, forgot where does it come from tho?
Hahahaha, sounds like something a character of Luke Humphris would say! At least to me.
In dark souls 2 i strictly played a pure sorcery build for almost 600 hours and i had to get creative and use two staves, one on each hand, one the fastest casting staff and the other the slowest. I had to cast from both to mess with people's timing when dodging, it actually worked pretty consistently, but without doing that i would've been doomed in 90% of the duels.
I also ran some sorcerer built and mainly used the different types of spells to rollcatch people. Also had some poison clouds and weapon to give me some space against aggressive players. DS2 PVP was just the best 😍
That's cool man! You were messing with their brains! Never let them know your next move!
A pro caster move I say
@@kimjanek646 that's a top tier comment DS2 PvP is my favorite out of all the souls games
What staffs did you use if you mind me asking? I run a caster build in DS2 so I'm curious.
Fun fact: Anti-Mage Mage builds are hilarious. Most mages run Eternal Darkness or one of the Moons, especially when facing another caster...but there's a few spells that can be used to counteract this, namely Briars of Punishment, as well as the Night Sorceries to some extent. BoP is really good at throwing other mages for a loop, especially since it's not often used in typical gameplay (because its otherwise outclassed in some form), and because of it's timing compared to other spells.
And if you're at the right distance you get a guaranteed Comet after landing Briars of Punishment for insane damage
I believe canon of Haima ignores Eternal darkness as well, though correct me if I’m wrong.
I believe you are correct, Cannon of Haima isn't affected by Eternal Darkness
Noted
Honestly they should have Vow of Silence in this game. Not only would it make certain pve areas hilarious to navigate, it would be a good way to dumpster mages in pvp AND would fit in the lore too (there was a war between the erdtree and the academy and you're telling me NEITHER side learned to cancel spells?)
Y’all playing hog warts legacy lmao
Raya Lucaria legacy
@@mr.snowflake5895 caria manor😂😂
"Did you put a larval tear in the Amber Egg, Tarnished?" Rennala asked calmly
Probably more fun than hogwarts legacy anyway
@@cesare_1302 Calmly.
They play a completely different game, and look really cool doing so. Unfortunately it doesn't involve ever actually hitting the enemy players.
Melee fans: Bonk with big stick, bonk with fast stick too.
Sorcery enjoyers: *Touhou music starts playing*
I can confirm stick does bonk
@@rafaelpenagomez9912 but there is something that make a greater bonk than havel hammer?
pew pew pew lol
I use the biggest as they the bestest. Enemy go smoosh
Me with a fingerprint shield and lionels armor:magic isnt real
I love mana-rich magic builds. The spells look cool and are creative. I hope the DLC bring more of them (specially blood magic, cuz we have like 2 of them and they suck)
This battle was something else by the way!
Not 2, 5, and they don't suck, you need to combo them well i use them on the outer god Warlock.
But going full blood requires a hybrid warrior build
@@Razielts1what are the other 3 blood sorceries?
@@sanguillotine so you got briars of sin and the other briars spell as sorcery
Incantations you have blood boon, blood claw and blood flies.
Those first two come from Mohg, the final one you find on the mohgwyn palace area on a tunnel
@@sanguillotine blood flies combo well with briars of punishment, at mid to short range blood boon followed by blood claw.
On my Outer god Warlock build i use all status effects to combo those spells together with other statuses
@@Razielts1 incantations ≠ sorceries if I have to switch spell focus I don’t want it.
I really think From Software should make a game where magic is the core focus of the combat. Imagine how cool that would be.
It already is like that. Magic is broken as fuck
@@AshenSentinel24 No. Just PURE CASTING magic! No melee. Magic 8s the essential piece. They already made a great ranged boss in Darklurker. Now just make more bosses like that.
@@AshenSentinel24 not as bad as ds2 some would even argue magic is still outclassed by melee in elden ring
I'd like to at least see a staff that casts a different spell with each move! Maybe R1 for Soul Arrow/Glintstone Pebble, hold for Heavy Soul Arrow/Comet, maybe R2 while charging for Soul Stream/Comet Azur, or hit R2 for Soulmass/Carian equivalent, etc
um.... look at the supposed "leaks" now
people complain about balance in this game, but it's barely a year old and these devs had to consider SO many different playstyles and combat mechanics. I think they're doing great.
Hot take: sekiro aside, this arguably is already the most balanced fromsoft game yet, very few things feel like they're not viable as of now.
Dark souls didn't come near that and even Bloodborne had like a third of its weapons be very underwhelming compared to the rest.
Though maybe Bloodborne and ER are tied with this
best way to make a balanced game is just give every player the same items tbh
@@clankymocha I completely agree on that.
Stop making excuses for them, anyone with two braincells to bang together can figure out that if you make bleed procs take 15% off a healthbar, ofc it's gonna be completely broken.
Everything is balanced if everything is op- Sun tzu art of war
One of my favourite spells is actually Night Maiden's Mist, even though it damages myself I get into really wacky situations trying to run around and push enemies into the mist.
Bro that shit drops my FPS to like 20...with rtx 3080ti. It's a PC players doomsday device 😅
I use it mainly for light, spammy, and high-damage PVE enemies, or groups. I.E, the types that tend to surround you and stunlock you to death if you miss one dodge.
Sometimes, the best method of dealing with a gaggle of aggressors is by just throwing poison mist at them, it seems.
@@citsune174 you would have been right at home in WW1
Seeing a full on sorcery duel is refreshing, a majority of the content I have seen on Elden Ring was bullgoat, or Lionel, and dual naginatas, or two lances.
This was great!
Am I the only one who actually look for "magic" first when thinking of playing an open world fantasy game? The concept just kinda sticked to me.
Me too
I mean, pretty much anyone, with proper training, can swing a sharp piece of metal or shoot a bow - but to become a living artillery and bombard enemies with powers from beyond is another story entirely. Also, versatility
You're definitely not the only one, I've played all souls games, and rpg games with magic.
Dark souls 1,2,3 Archmage using all 4 spell types, Bloodborne Kos parasite build.
Now in Elden ring I'm doing all thematic mages:
Primeval Master ( Azur & Lusat mode ) Only Raya Lucaria comet, start and crystal magic.
Carian Royal ( Moonblade & Darkmoon ) - only carian magic + ice magic
Sellian Trickster - only invisibility and bubble magic
Fire Lord High Priest - Fire giant and Lava magic
Dragon Acolyte ( needs dlc to help him ) - Dragon cult + Erd tree magic
Dragon Druid - Dragon communion magic
Crucible Beastman - Beast magic and Crucible magic
Golden order Paladin - Erd tree + Fundamentalist magic
Outer god Warlock - All status magic, poison, blood, rot, madness, ice
Godskin Death lord - Godslayer + Death magic
Gravity magic is on both sorcerer's ( not trickster ) and the godskin.
@@d.h.berger7299 not only that but actually mastering the combos, and not being a cheesy spamming turret
This is what Gandolf vs. Saruman should have been.
That what they did . Their casting speed so fast we just see 2 old man pushing each other by force
Fighting a sorcerer as a sorcerer makes you feel like your having an anime battle
This is cooler to watch than the any of the Stars of Ruin/Moonveil/Glintstone Pebble builds out there!
Cooler to watch because its easy to Fight n presured.. Btw nuub star of ruin already nerfed to the ground.. Its not i Like moonveil cause that thing is hard to fight when either player laging.. Pebble also very easy to dodge
Moonveil is cool
The issue is the people using it.
A it’s such a good time when people use the spells they like instead of whatever spell is ranked best. It’s so much more fun fighting a guy using his own build, and not a carbon copy of one from a strategy guide.
you would like my main build then, it was a strenght/faith build with the bastard sword (my favorite weapons in dark souls 2 and 3), with the red lion flamme weapons art and some support spells (health regen, light orb spell,buff spells,...) with no headgear, yura armor, yura gauntlet and milician trouser to give a wanderer mercenary/witcher like style to the character.
unfortunately, i stopped playing it and probably never come back,because i play game for fun and not for tryhard,so on the long term,I’ve got tired of getting crushed like a sh*t by bosses who were designed to be as overpowered and unfair as possible, and disgust by toxic invaders who always come harassed you whenever you want to coop with friends. and add to that i go through very hard thing in my personnal life since 1,5 years, so i think you can understand playing games like that who were designed to reminded you constantly you’re just an insect here to be beated to a pulp by almost everything isn’t a good idea when you suffer from depression and loneliness in real life.
@@gabrielt9841 No one asked for your sad life story
@@furancodensetsu2086 No one asked for your disrespectful comment either
Damn...
Now imagine if magic wasn't restricted to changing spells with a single button only.
(Or if magic by default slowly regenerated like stamina.)
I would be a monster
Now THIS is a true wizard battle!
This takes me back to playing Gen 3 Armored Core. The spells and spell redirection reminds me of shooting missiles and anti-missile pods.
I'm surprised neither of them tried to rush the other with Carian slicer or Adula's moonblade. That's what I usually do when I'm fighting against another mage.
But you can parry slicer with carian retaliation on a shield
This is about as exciting as it gets, folks. Sorcery at its finest.
If you are contemplating on magic, just use Carian spells.
Full melee sorcerer is my fav build; The Carian sword spells are actually unreasonably good.
AND the haima. Because thou unga, therefore thy bunga
@@vennin7781pair that shit with the dark moon great sword.
@@nutterbotter8308 nah, either dual wield the carian staves for the + 20% spell damage or use Lusat's staff main hand and offhand carian for ~ 35% more damage. you can 2-3 shot with slicer alone that way.
@@vennin7781 why unreasonably?
Absolutely reasonable. They cost FP, but regular weapon swings don't.
This was like watching a soccer match. You guys were trying real hard to do something but it was mostly a bunch of nothing happening.
How to spot the gringo:
@@juanmartinlepiobruno1090 you are acting like you aren’t in the minority in this situation
@@Forsen807 How to spot the dumbass American:
Ty
@@juanmartinlepiobruno1090 Are Germans or French gringos ?
You level up int so you can use sorcery
I level up int so I can cosplay a Death Rite Bird
We are not the same
aint nobody used night spells that go thru black holes lol
The biggest drawback is cycling through spells. Hopefully they implement a keybind system at some point for each spell slot
the way i'd do it would be making spells equipable to your pouch, it's a simple change but it could mean the world for casters.
@clankymocha that would be a quick way to do it yea. Not a bad idea :)
this feels like a mmorpg pvp match
Eternal Darkness spell curving shenanigans, are you kidding me?! That's awesome. Fuck spell parries, be the change you want to see in the Elden Ring.
These 2 sorcerers were the rejects from hogwarts
I truly dont understand how anyone could argue that magic isn't inherently easier. I'm not getting into certain builds or spells or weapons. On face value, mages are a mile away and mostly out of danger. Anything that could reach them is easily readable and dodgeable because the distance gives more time to do so. It's like saying a sniper is in more danger than someone in a knife fight. Which is to say, objectively false. The melee guy in the knife fight is up close in constant danger while the mage is far away in relative safety.
As someone who mains a pure dex build in PvP, my favorite opponents are spam mages now that stars of ruin can be dodged. I feel the Naruto music playing in my brain as I dodge all the projectiles.
I was just trying to do varré's quest and invaded someone, it was three people using the mimic veil and when I found them they all immediately spammed as many soceries possible, I didn't even have enough time to heal. Who knew I could find someone who out spammed gideon
I once had an epic mimic veil duel where me, the host, and his summons were all disguised as sewer trash in the pipes under the capital.
It turned into a contest of who would notice who moving first. In the end, I spent 5 minutes lying in wait, watching a box and a dead rat slowly creeping towards my dead rat. Then, when they finally got close enough... I jumped them with RoB spam and killed them all like the punk I was :p
@@magicianman534 Had me till you mentioned RoB 👎
Just get Mohgwyn spear and NIHIL!
@@bofa722 But it got nerfed 🤓
@@bofa722 Rivers got nerfed into the dirt, you don't have to feel bad about using it anymore
“lightning bolt! lightning bolt!”
"Bazinga! Bazinga! Bazinga!"
ARCANE BLAST!
And then there's me. I haven't finished the game yet, but I've never used a spell, only claws. I love how much different two players can be
2 mages cast a bunch of bad pve spells into eternal darkness for 5 minutes...
“Sorcerers play an entirely different game” 💀
>meanwhile, any average melee build rushes them down and obliterates them in seconds before they even get a chance to cast
Carian slicer, adula's moonblade and carian thrust exist.
@@clankymocha true but most people will poise through slicer, which is the only thing fast enough to compete with any melee weapon.
This was legit. Props to everyone who can play this game and makes it look like the cutscenes.
Just as Miyazaki intended.
"The game should have an easy mode"...
The easy mode:
strength isn't easy mode?
There is a reason why spells scales with Intelligence.
You gotta be smart in order to play with a Mage Build.
- The Valedictorian of Raya Lucaria
I don't know how some people have fun playing like that.
Because they are smart
Honestly, I would recommend Thop's Barrier instead of Carian Retaliation if you're going to be using Carian Phalanx. Similar effect and doesn't override your phalanx.
Less FP cost as well, i think
I’d experimented with that spell because i think is unique and has an element of surprise and combo potential the only problem is you have to be a timing master to properly take advantage of it. Which i am not 😅
@@MaximillionPegasusJ.Crawford Thop's barrier cost no FP on shields, but is strictly used for defense.
can even be used creatively to throw people off with some spells like glintblade
Thop's Barrier is too clunky to use if you have so many spells equipped. Carian Retaliation is always just going to be more reliable because it's an ash of war so you can press L2 and immediately cast it when you need it
2:03
My man parries a spell. Amazing
Wizard Duels!
For anyone who needs to know: invisibility spells ignore Eternal Darkness. With high INT, two night comets are enough to surprise em real good.
night shards are too OP , even Malenia didnt dodge and we can doin phase 1 with no hit
That’s not a duel, it’s a puzzle game.
Respectfull, I like it!
As someone who enjoys living viciously through big brained people in the soulslike community i see a plethora of builds, to say the least. Seeing this title, i as expecting much a montage of frantic spell casting and seeing who can one shot.
I was not expecting this to be the first mage battle i see. Very strategic and great battle by both fighters. I may not know what's going on with the icons to the left and names of whatever but I'm here for the game play, YTber challenges and memes. I love that i found this video.
We both stared into the abyss...
...and when it looked back...
BOY DID IT REALIZE IT WAS FREAKING OUTGUNNED
All the old heads say magic is easy mode then they try and use it and make it look like rocket science 😂
How did you get your hands on Touhou 19 early? It looks interesting, but I'm not sure if I like the direction the series is going. Seriously, the artstyle change and the switch to 3D are quite puzzling. I also don't recognize any of the characters!
the vs mode certainly is something
It's just like the mad god said:
"My entire fucking world is filled with nothing but Mages, and battles among Mages are one of the most boring ones in existence!"
"You ever seen people just flinging stuff at each other from a distance for hours on end? Shit's boring as fuck!"
cast a few magic glintblades and rush them down and ur pretty much guaranteed to get a bit of damage on them
yeah this kinda gameplay only works when the duelists have agreed to a certain conduct.. could have been over sooner if either of them decided to play more aggressively
MAN this was SOME Wizard duel!!! SOOOO COOOOOL!!!! my heart would be racing haha
That is honestly so fucking cool. Looks very tricky to do well with though, especially if your opponent is a melee build.
yeah i get jump attacked so often its not even funny lol
MAGIG VS MAGIC = GOOD
MAGIC VS MELEE = MELEE WINS
its like chess for real men
Wait till these guys figure out that night magic doesn’t get absorbed by that thing
Thats actually cool after i played darksouls 1-3 Elden Ring has its most interesting sorcerer pvp thats fun to watch
If you had Ambush Shard equipped you would have been able to snipe them without them being able to reaction dodge if you were concealed by Eternal Darkness, might need the Arrow's Reach Talisman depending on the distance. Would have spared you some of the hassle in this fight.
Ambush shard can go as far as locking distance if i recall correctly
@@eebydeeby03 it can not
The spell named "Eternal" Darkness lasts about not 90 seconds, not 60 seconds, not 30 seconds, but whopping 10 seconds. Oh Miyazaki
Stay back, i got a staff & plenty of baja blast
No. You stay back, i also have a staff.
Pew pew pew
Pew pew pew
It makes me happy to see great oracular bubble getting use
Pro strategy is not to lock on actually all the time. Those hovering swords you can backstep towards someone and turn around to instant tag them as a surprise.
If you both run out of casts before dying, you just run up to each other and beat one another with your fancy sticks
“Sorcerers play an entirely different game”
A very ineffective and slow one according to this video lmao
Grade A Copium
It looks awesome but just remember that the vast majority of this is just people throwing shiny rocks at eachother.
Surprised nobody was spamming stars of ruin lol
It's hardly worth the cost for PvP since the tracking was nerfed, it's only good at punishing long animations and even then other spells do it better for cheaper. If you want a poking spell, its lesser variant, Star Shower, is better for that now. SoR still shreds PvE tho, as enemies only dodge once on the initial cast.
stars of ruin got nerfed like months ago
*Sees the summoned sword projectiles* Me: Vergil, is that you?
I love seeing mage vs mage fights but mage vs melee is usually extremely one-sided. Either the melee rushes the mage and destroys them or the caster just burns the melee down.
Any mage running Ethernal Darkness is a chad meaning bussines 😆
it's almost as if there's more to this game then spamming lion's claw with the guts sword
Still malding that the only area denial spell spam counter is a Sorcery. Vow of Silence my beloved...
This might actually be the most realistic demonstration of a battle between two mages in all forms of media
I have a similar playstyle. The only problem is I need to drink more than this.
It's called alchoholism.
People are complaining but I’ve been a powerstance strength build main for almost a decade and I think this is cool as fuck. This is what makes souls games so sick.
These guys are incredibly bad. Not even from an elitist standpoint, they're just plain bad. Panic rolling, not taking advantage of anything, just spam until something connects. 90% of their spells have absolutely no purpose, they're not thinking at all.
Very nice…
*pulls out Moonveil with FP ring*
Oh man the difference was that spell parry loading up the three extra ghost phalanx blades.
I can’t get mad at spell casters in pvp. It just makes it all the more rewarding to get close and bonk in melee.
Except you don’t, because light roll
This was pretty cool tho I think I’ll finally try a mage run when I get back to it
Collapsing Stars is literally my favorite spell in the game. Glad to see it getting some use. It's even better when you use it with CRS's buffed Spinning Weapon Ash of War. Throw in some Carian Slicers and Piercers, and you've got a surprisingly powerful close range build.
I have not gotten good in PvP, but I've gone for a magic boost and free spell with the flask of Wondrous Physique, and in order to completely thrash a boss or many enemies, Meteorites of Astel can bé devastating.
I was waiting their fp to end and see the two mages going with the staff bonk.
much more logical than any harry potter fight
This what hogwarts legacy should have been
Such a shame that FROM doesn't want to give casters a combat update. It's like, can we finally lose the useless R2 Bonk and have a cantrip spell tied to the catalyst instead. (Something similar to Farron Dart/Flashsword power wise but costs 0 FP to use.)
The lack of access to the spell-like Ash of Wars was also a bit of a disappointment, as having access to something like 'Ice Spear' on a Staff would've been some nice eye candy to have.
Well we still have an expansion coming, fingers crossed for more staff ashes of war
@@clankymocha
I personally have my doubts, as it appears to me that it was a top-down executive design choice to make catalysts fully dependent on being used to compliment a weapon. Which I think was the biggest reason for catalysts being stuck with only 3 options for AoW.
While a pure caster build is viable, it's also a bit impractical, as doing so leaves a lot of dead space in your arsenal options compared to other builds.
Bows/Crossbows are also stuck in the same rut as Pure Casters: Lack of AoW variety, no infusions, heavy talisman reliance, and resource limited attacks.
It just irritates me, mostly because martial builds get new updates with nearly every new title, while Casters/Ranged Builds have practically remained the same since Demon's Souls.
@@Battleguild I agree that incantations and bows/crossbows seem to only exist to compliment a melee playstyle, bows and crossbows are bad at it too because of their scaling
But I think sorcery has come a very long way in terms of being your main source of damage since ds1 for example, we now have a very wide selection of spammable projectiles, slow ones, fast ones, ones made for crowd control or have an AOE, some are chargeable spell, some are long range spells, others have short range, there are even spells meant for stealth and now we even have a good selection of melee spells
Add to that the fact we also now have 3 different defensive spells to deal with incoming projectiles and we he have what I think is a pretty robust magic system in its own right that is very much worth expanding on.
Though gravity based spells could be better at actually pulling enemies and such.
Incantations have come a very long way too but they serve a very different purpose, there's a reason we don't really have a spammable bread and butter type spell for them, they clearly are meant for melee builds like pyromancies and miracles before them.
@@clankymocha
I absolutely agree that ER has the best spells out of the Soulsborne games.
The problem I have with casters is the fact that the L1 (while two-handed), L2, and R2 buttons for pure casters are effectively dead buttons. (With a single AoW as an exception.) Being completely limited to R1 and UP-D to function, or L1 if you are using two catalysts.
Casters and Crossbows are also blocked off from Power Stance, so we also completely miss out in combat tech there as well.
@@Battleguild I think you are supposed to have something in your other hand to counteract this, you could use a small backup melee weapon, it doesn't have to be your main source of damage at all(after all, all sorcerer classes have always started with a dagger in their inventory) or, what I prefer is having a shield, scholar's shield lets you turn any small or medium shield to a 100% physical negation one and also have great magic defense
But what I really use them for is carian retaliation, parrying spells feels so great, though I wish they'd buff it to deal respectable damage again, the nerf was a bit too much.
Even though I should have known the uploader would win I was on the edge of my seat.
Battle of the introverts
the full str build when i cast the fucking sun
Sorcerers will spam 2 tao spells at me and get mad when I spam bloodhound step.
It got nerfed
@@orxy5316 damn bro yeah I’d hope so it’s been awhile.
I’m just waiting for one of them to smack the other with their secondary
That's why carian blade spells are handy, you can really surprise opposing casters.
The passive aggressiveness of this battle lol
This became an Overlord battle where two badasses are just firing spells at each other.
This is an action game of what Yu Gi Oh would look like