George Forman was once asked if he feared any man he fought. He said: "One. Joe Frazier 1. I dropped him 6 times and he got up every time. And every time he was looking for me. That is scary."
The memory of what was left of Creed at the end of the match is still fresh on their minds... of Balboa, too. They both left the match in gurneys, after all. When you're trusted with a guy's health and well being, would you particularily want to throw him right back into that meat grinder?
@@allhailthegr8 Yup. they're like "sh*****t." These impulses wind up killing Apollo in the end. Also, it's so beautiful how this story culminates with Duke and Rocky becoming the team.
It’s because they knew Apollo didn’t beat him. Tony said in the first film that he’s a southpaw and that you have to do everything in reverse. Tony knew that Rocky was a real threat to Apollo in the rematch. When Rocky was punching the meat in the first movie you could tell Tony was afraid for Apollo
Tony Burton was a boxer in real life only got beat once in 25 fights. A very underrated actor and made a massive contribution to the Rocky films Rip Anthony Burton
It's also damn accurate. Apollo was an incredible boxer, with flawless technique and smarts for the sport. Rocky was just pure iron will. Tony knows how pissed Apollo is here, and he knows if they fight him again, Apollo won't be smart, he'll try and match him will for will... and its the ONLY place Rocky is Apollo's superior.
Apollo, those ribs of yours should have kept you out of that second fight! They were tender just a few more punches away from barbecued. Rocky was punching hard each time. He had something to prove.
Note, in the first Rocky, Tony's character immediately recognized that Balboa was the wrong person to mess with. Apollo was looking at a list of potential challengers, picked out Balboa, after a few seconds of looking at his credentials, he replied to Apollo, "he's a southpaw. I don't like you messing with southpaws."
+Margaret Tudor He's doing exactly what Mickey did in Rocky III by trying to keep Apollo up on top for as long as possible until he goes down or retires. The longer Apollo is up, the more cemented in history he becomes and the better he'll be able to look after his family.
He's also doing what Rocky tries to do in IV, which is trying to talk Apollo out of challenging Drago. But Apollo has too much pride he doesn't back down on both occasions, losing his title in the former, and then his life in the latter.
the thing about this match though is Apollo had Rocky beat quite comfortably on points, wouldve been a lopsided decision win which was an improvement over the split decision in the first fight, his pride caused him to go for the KO in the last round and risk it all.
Someone beat me to it. Great call Ian. Duke and Mickey are both very noble in that they want what's best for their fighters but they won't interfere with their ability to choose for themselves.
Yeah when the news show had Rocky on punching the meat slabs, Duke said " Come watch this guy you're gonna fight. He looks serious." Apollo shook it off and said " Yeah yeah I'm serious too."
There is just something so powerful and engaging about that line in this scene. "... and he kept coming after you. we don't need that kind of man in our life." Insanely good writing.
I remember one line describing the winner of a boxing match being the last fighter to get knocked down...and getting up again. I think Tony suspected that Rocky would just keep getting up, over and over again...and that Apollo would have to KILL him to stop him.
A normal man takes Duke's advice..but the world heavyweight champion is not a normal man and he wants to end any doubt about his superiority...those he believes others may have..and maybe even his own unspoken down deep in his soul
"I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before and the man kept coming after you."= "It ain't about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward."
Edwin Kapurura Trump has overcome alot of adversity and continues to still do so. When the Public finally understands the whole story of what he was up against with the Illegal spying you will appreciate it alot more.
Trump is a buffoon in addition to being a village idiot who managed to buy his way out of going to Vietnam because he had a rich daddy. The man is a disgrace.
Edwin Kapurura yea a Buffoon that built skyscrapers all around the world and is worth 10 billion dollars. Yeah real buffon. NOPE you are the buffoon Edwin. Open your mind. Ohh yea FYI Trumps Bone Spur injury was legit enough that he stopped playing baseball due to it. Didn't even play College ball despite being a Star in High School and getting MLB attention. This was YEARS before Vietnam War even started dumbass. It wasn't just some make believe thing and believe it or not they defer people for a reason. Bone Spurs isn't an injury that you want someone to have that is going to be marching through the Mountains and the Jungles. Regardless that was 40 years ago and the most divisive war in US history and unless you were drafted to Vietnam yourself your attack is completely Hollow. You are closeminded brainwashed fool who has no idea what you are talking about just repeating Democrat Talking points. Puppet that is Pathetic. FREE YOU MIND Man.
He never got the amount of work he deserved I stead we got nick cage, will smith, matt damon who i don't think have near as much charisma as Carl Weathers.
Apollo was the best antagonist because he was a fully formed character, not a caricature like Mr. T, Drago, Tommy Gunn, etc. Also, Carl Weathers is just a better actor than these other guys were.
I actually always liked Clubber because he was kind of the good guy. He works his ass off, he just wants to be judged on his fighting record and get the shot he deserves as #1 contender, and he knows how to get it ("Hey woman!"). And then it turns out Rocky HAS been ducking him without knowing it! He's basically the same guy Rocky was in the first movie, but meaner.
Apollo was not a true antagonist in the story. The first 2 films were more about Rocky trying to figure out who he should be, etc. The conflict is within himself mostly. Apollo was just his opponent who had his own issues being the champion. Even Clubber Lang was really just an opponent and not a true antagonist. Outside of pushing Mickey down and giving him his final heart attack, the real problem was that Mickey told Rocky that he had been protecting him by picking fighters he knew he could beat which hurt his self confidence. I'd say Drago was the first real antagonist because he actually killed his bff Apollo and wasn't terribly sorry about it. Although you could say he didn't hate Drago anymore after he beat him, but killing the main character's best friend even if it was legal, qualifies him as a true antagonist. Then of course in Rocky 5, we had a couple of second rate antagonists. Mr. Washington who took Rocky's protege away with promise of fame and fortune with a red headed hooker to boot, and Tommy Gunn who became an antagonist after the press provoked him into thinking he wasn't a true champion without beating Rocky. Anyway, Apollo had many redeeming qualities as a person except for his extreme pride that lost him his title and eventually got him killed. He as a great 3 dimensional character, but definitely not an antagonist for Rocky.
Jason Lee Of course you do know. When Apollo put out the article the Italian chicken! He was antagonizing him! So I would say that this could be built on fallacy!
They took it up a notch with every movie, went from a loudmouth to a prick to someone who appeared evil, they had nowhere to go taking making the antagonist worse but I suppose some who was his friend then betrayed him is as close as possible
it is absolutely appalling that Tony Burton never received a best supporting actor award. The man put every bit of his boxing experience into his acting and it really shows. Completely underrated actor. RIP
And truth, sometimes... accept all the money you have and forget about the bums making fun of ya. In the end they go home to a crummy apartment while you go home to an indoor swimming pool :P .
He was fantastic but he was also in the same movies as two other incredible supporting actors, Burgess Meredith (Mickey Goldmill) and Burt Young (Paulie Pennino). The series was truly blessed in that regard and to me it's one of the primary reasons it has held up so well. It was devastating in the first Creed film learning the fate of both Duke and Paulie.
"Man I won but I didn't beat him!" That was such a powerful line because I know it's a lot of great fighters out there feel that way about their counterpart.
@@atomskreborn5740 Floyd was nothing but a coward and a bum and made sure to only fight the top fighters when they were old and past their prime Most overrated clown in the boxing world
Offend In Every Way i really dont like maywether..you can say whatever you want..but there isnt anything in the boxing world you can blame him for..maybe that he didnt fought golovkin or ducked manny for some time. But this guy was the best boxer of his Generation and won everything he could. He also made hundreds of millions..I really dont like his shitty personality but i have huge respect for everything he reached.
Trent butler THAT'S A VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY WISE STATEMENT MY BROTHER BECAUSE IT'S THOSE WHO NEVER QUIT ARE THE ONES WHO CAN NEVER BE BEATEN BECAUSE THEY KEE
Trent butler A man can have all the physical strength in the world, but if he quits, that makes him weak. The true strong man is unrelenting, punishment be damned.
Tony really cared about Apollo. All those other dudes were just "yes-men" who would go along with whatever Apollo wanted because they were getting paid. Tony wasn't afraid to speak his mind... and from his heart. I think he's a highly under-rated and overlooked character, at least in the first couple of films.
OneEyedJack: It fits his character. In part 4, he explained that he raised Apollo. That means with the exception of Apollo's wife and kids, he lost more than anyone that night in Vegas. Tony loved and cared about Apollo. He was not just part of his entourage.
At their best, the Rocky movies had little moments like that: in the locker room before the first fight, when Rocky admits he can't beat Creed but wants it anyway; the argument with Mickey, raging about a prime he never had; Paulie wishing he could get inside Rocky's skin and become him -- until he saw his opponent. When Stallone confined himself to the little moments, he was a remarkable filmmaker.
I love how Creeds coach is telling him “we dont want that kind of man in our life” and Creeds warrior spirit is kindled even more. Dudes a true fighter and a technical win will never cut it to him. respect.
You can tell that even Duke agrees with Apollo. He says "You got the decision", he didn't say "you won." He knows Apollo's pride won't let it go but Duke also knows that Rocky is a dangerous "nobody" to pit against Apollo
Weathers always played Apollo like a real-life boxing champion, not as a movie champion. He’s stylish, urbane, fearless, and cares deeply about his reputation. And he’s not the “bad guy”. He’s Rocky’s opponent (and then later best friend).
That's another great aspect of this scene. It's telling the audience that yeah Apollo is the antagonist for the movie but you shouldn't hate him. He's gonna make himself seem like you should hate him but only because he's so driven to prove himself. He's a man that would rather have a clean loss after giving everything he had over a hollow victory. Apollo is the real deal and the only reason why Rocky's victory means anything at all is because he's up against the real deal. Apollo is a rival not an enemy.
Duke is so underrated in this series. He was the only one who recognized that Rocky was more dangerous than people thought in the 1st film, and he's the only one who recognizes that going after him again is a disaster waiting to happen. He also sees that beneath the arrogant facade, Apollo is now questioning his own worth just as much as Rocky ever did. Apollo is touted as the greatest fighter (a title he did in fact earn), but a random guy picked as a publicity stunt almost took it all away. He knew from the get go it wasn't going to come down to a decision. It was going to be all or nothing for Apollo, and that thought scared the hell out of Duke coming from a man he saw as his own son.
Tony (duke) is also the only one at this point in the film who still thinks rocky can beat apollo... Mickey doesn't think he should try because of his eye, and Adrian doesn't think he should old try at all
I mean, he knows, but he isnt the only one, behind all the bravado Apollo knew exactly what Duke was telling him, he knew he was right, but his pride in being a fighter just couldnt let it go, he had to get back into the ring with him.
Apollo was the best boxer in the Rocky series, however Rocky was the best fighter; a machine that wouldn't quit and Duke knew that. He was a very wise man.
Its pretty obvious that you are a boxing enthusiast and it's true that the box scenes from rocky are not grounded or hyper realistic but to say these films are laughable is a bit heavy. If your suspension of disbelief is that narrow maybe you shouldn't watch movies. O.o By the way Rocky is not even a boxing movie. Its a romance and character study movie.
Duke was Apollo”s Most loyal, and honest man around him. He told him the truth, same as Mickey Telling Rocky about Clubber Lang in part 3. Tony Burton really was a Gem in the Rocky Franchise!
Not many knew that Tony Burton was a prize fighter in real life, before he started acting. This role came natural for him. He spoke like true boxing pro throughout these priceless scenes. Loved him in these movies!!!!!
Charles Jones Jr., Right there's a powerful episode of ' In the Heat of the Night'. Where he played a washed-up boxer, trying to get his life back together again. He has some pretty good scenes with O'Connor.
Best lines from Rocky II. "I saw you beat that man like I never saw any man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you." Makes me want to watch I, II and III again.
I think it actually confirmed his decision to do the rematch as he thanked him after he said it. As a competitor/champ Apollo wanted to confirm he was the best .
When he says; " "... and he kept coming after you. we don't need that kind of man in our life." I get goosebumps... Apollo knew in that moment for sure, he cannto go on without fighting Rocky again, because Apollo also had code of honour and... Rocky was not like other humans that was for sure... not like majority of others when it comes about HEART, and Apollo knew that and respected that. GREAT SCENE
Goodbye Tony Burton, damn a heavy heart today. A staple in the Rocky movies that will be missed. I was hoping he would have been in Creed. Thank you for the memories
"no pain baby, no pain!" "it's your whole life right here" "All your strength, all your power, all your love. Everything you've got." "You're gonna have to go through hell, worse than any nightmare you've ever dreamed. But when it's over, I know you'll be the one standing." RiP Tony Burton
" I saw you beat that man, like I'd never seen no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you " Still fires me up to this day. Be that man Duke was talking about
There was never any hate between rocky and Apollo... respect and they ended up as best friends and after Apollo's death, his trainers trained Rocky..great story line
This is one of my favorite scenes because it shows that Apollo isn’t a bad guy. He is a competitor who has a lot of pride but he’s not a cookie cutter evil character. We understand why he wants Rocky back in the ring.
Duke is also my favorite in this scene because he was the only one who wasn't afraid to speak the truth against Apollo. Duke subtly agrees that it was Rocky who won the fight and beat Apollo. He was just trying to be blunt to let it go but Apollo's pride wouldn't let him.
People talk about Rocky, but the supporting characters are great as well ! Mickey, Duke, Apollo, Pauli, even Gazzo on the first movie, they are all outstanding and they helped to make this series to become a masterpiece This scene and the scene on the first movie where Rocky appears on TV punching the meat (when Duke says "hey champ, this boy means business") are in my top 5 scenes of the series.
Paulie! Paulie never gets the credit he deserves. He was the first person to realize what the hell Rocky was doing in the second Lang fight. And then against Drago, when Rocky is "seeing three of him out there," Paulie is able to draw on his years of experience as a blackout drunk and deliver the classic advice "Hit the one in the middle!" He may have been dumb, but he was damn useful to have in your corner.
It's all about the script.. giving good dialogue to good actors who are playing interesting characters is why it works. Compare the dialogue from Rocky, to the dialogue in Rocky 4 and you'll see why one won an Oscar and the other didn't.
@@captainpharaoh except that Duke did accept variety of challenges and train Apollo accordingly to make him the heavyweight champion of the world, unlike Mickey who like a grandfather admitted to setting matches with guys "who was good fighters but not KILLERS, fighters out of Rocky's or Apollo's league" just to protect him. I am certain Rocky must've been broken from inside even before his first match with Lang when he faced the truth.
BleJd09 Apollo character drew inspiration from Muhammad Ali who was Intelligent and a Showman in addition to being the best in the World which is why we see these Character Traits show up instead of a stereotypical "dumb boxer"
Geo Mag I agree with you I do the same. I was just pointing it out because the one guy said "boxers are usually dumb" why the Character was written that way but there is NO DOUBT the Character Apollo and Weathers performance of him stand on their own.
Duke knew what Rocky was the moment he watched him on the news in the meat house in the first film. So glad he was back in Rocky Balboa for a last appearance.
“He’s all wrong for us baby “. Love it. Tony says it all in one sentence. His love for Apollo and his respect of Rocky’s determination and raw power.😀👍🏻
Duke knew Apollo (The irresistible force)had finally met the immovable object (Balboa) The fear was Duke knew was not only of loss but possible death as well. No trainer ever wants his fighter to meet a man like that in the ring.
gutz1981 LMFAO plzzzzzzzz! That's why Mr t destroyed Rocky.. Till Apollo trained him right?, Enabling Rocky to win... In other words Apollo is waaaayyyyy better then Rocky!
Rocky I and II were such great films. I loved them when I was a kid. They made me want to go start training to be a boxer.... Thank goodness I came to my senses..... LOL
that one line always gave me chills.... Duke looks Apollo square in the eye and says : "I saw you beat that man, like id seen no man get beat before.... and the Man kept coming After You....."
Rocky 2? "Theres one thing I want you to do for me...WIN" Rocky 3 she gets him to stop being scared of clubber lang "theres nothing wrong with being afraid your human aintcha?" Rocky 4 when she went to russia "i missed you no matter what....No matter what" Rocky 5 "you wanna pass something on pass it on your son" Adrian was the reason why rocky never gave up,everything rocky done was to keep Adrian happy. The voice of reason in every chapter of the rocky saga except Rocky Balboa.
This is why Apollo was a great champion. If there was a guy out there that was a worthy challenger, he was not going to duck him like so many fighters do. His manager was protecting him and wanted him to fight lower risk fights. That's how boxing actually works. But Apollo wanted nothing to do with that. Much respect. I only wish real boxing was that way.
Brothu couldn't let it go. Great scene. "I saw you beat that man, like I never saw a man beat before, and the man kept coming after you. We don't need that kind of man in our life" LOL great line serious yet very funny at the same time.
Always respect Apollo for giving Rocky that second chance he knew in his heart he didn’t beat him and that’s what it takes to be a champion, Great acting and storyline forever will be one of my favorite movies
Tony always knew how dangerous Rocky was from the first film. Tony might be the best trainer in the Rocky series. He always has a gameplan to win the match. He knew Apollo could knock Rocky out, but the plan was to beat him on points.
Carl Weathers and Tony Burton were superb in all of these films. No disrespect to anyone, especially Stallone, the screenwriter, but these two elevated the whole franchise.
Duke showed that he cared for Apollo enough to be honest with him, even if it hurt Apollo's pride. He showed it again in Rocky IV. Duke was yelling for Rocky to throw in the towel, but Rocky didn't want to hurt Apollo's feelings, which wound up getting Apollo killed.
This was back when we saw real men in movies. These are fully developed, strong characters. They WANT something, and we can feel what they're going through.
This conversation alone built Rocky's character so much that they didn't even need the rest of the movie to do it. You could clearly feel the fear in Tony's voice, and the uncertainty in Apollo's. Damn good acting.
I think Tony had a number of fears. Of course, death in the ring was foremost. But the advisors were saying he could get the same money fighting someone else, maybe to him it was a matter of time to move on. A boxer, as just about any other athlete, has a limited amount of time to be at the top of his game. While Apollo is complaining about fan reaction to his fight against Rocky, another fight could also provoke backlash from other fighters hollering about when are they going to get their shot. Rocky had also been advised not to fight again due to eye damage from their first fight, there is a scene in the movie where Micky shows him he can not see well enough to take on Apollo.
@@NicholasPeters1 That's true. Tony was scared that Rocky would eventually overcome the odds because he already showed doing it in the first fight. I also think Tony was scared that even if Apollo were to win again, it wouldn't be any easier than it was the first time because he barely beat Rocky. It would make confirm suspicion that Apollo was a paper champ because in the eyes of the people Rocky's a nobody. He was a nobody, seen as a nobody, treated as a nobody, and laughed at as a nobody. Even by Apollo himself. A nobody going the distance with the world champion is disgraceful enough as it is. They underestimated him, but Tony saw through all of that. It was a facade because only he knew what kind of fighter Rocky was, and how hungry he was. That's what this whole fight was about, it wasn't to win a championship rather something to prove. That's what haunted Apollo, and the fact of him having that much difficulty was shameful. Tony knew that Rocky was a bad match up for Apollo, and eventually the tide was going to overturn. Agree with what you said.
Duke is like the Boba Fett of the Rocky Series. He doesn't do much, but he has these small awesome moments that make me love hm. His "Let It Go" speech is one of my favorite acting moments in the whole series.
That's comparison is a backhanded insult. Boba Fett does NOTHING. He's a crappy character and his ridiculous popularity continues to baffle me. Duke is way cooler.
@@QuietMan81 Boba Fett found the Falcon and helped the Empire entrap Han Solo and therefore Luke Skywalker. His actions are pivotal to the plot of Empire. It's not that baffling really. Maybe you should watch the movie.
@@nicknewman7848 Well it's a moot point now since they finally gave in and made up an actual interesting character to stick in the armor for Mandalorian, so i'm retroactively wrong regardless.
@@QuietMan81 ..and that's a moot point for someone who doesn't bother with Disney Star Wars. So, depending on both point of views you're either wrong or retroactively wrong. Congratulations
This is an iconic scene, maybe the best scene from Rocky II...."He's all wrong for us, baby!!". What a great actor! In sports, sometimes a guy just has your number. It doesn't matter how great you are. That's what Apollo's trainer was trying to explain to him about Rocky.
I liked Apollo at lot more than Rocky in this one. He wanted the fight for vindication when there's a lot of fighters who barely squeak out a win and want no part of a rematch.
Nicolas Matteo Yes because unlike the first fight even though Apollo won by split decision, it was pretty much an even fight, in R2 Apollo DOMINATED the whole fight, i think Rocky may have won one round. If Apollo had stayed away like Duke told him to he would have not only won on points but it would not even have been a split decision, Apollo would have won unanimously but he was too focused on knocking Rocky out which led to his downfall
In a series full of iconic lines this one stood out to me most as child. my father showed me these movies repeatedly in my childhood. As a kid i always remembered "let it go" because tony saw what others couldn't. I didn't have the comprehension to overthink dialog and themes. But this line was just chilling. I also always remembered, "there is no tomorrow" , "if he dies, he dies" & "It stinks in here!"
You think I beat him last time? *TONY LOOKS AWAY* You got the decision..... 😮😮😮😮😮 Your main man knows in his heart you shouldn't have the belt. That's cold!
@@ericruiz1036 u beat that man like i never saw a man got beat before don’t sound like he loss. It’s like Ali Frazier. Ali win on points but Frazier did more damage
I see it different. Point blank question: do you think I beat him? Answer: not, yes you beat him. Not even, yes, you won. Yes, you got the decision.... Still a great scene regardless of how you interpret it.
Tony should of got an oscar for just this one scene. It gave me goose bumps the way he expressed himself. Tony helped the rocky series tremendously. I dont know if he got an oscar but i sure hope he did. RIP tony
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“Man,I won but I didn’t beat him!!” Great line
when refs ruin games
“Man, I won but I didn’t beat him”
Wilder........... fury. The people’s champ.
said the fool about hillary
And Great Acting
George Forman was once asked if he feared any man he fought. He said: "One. Joe Frazier 1. I dropped him 6 times and he got up every time. And every time he was looking for me. That is scary."
Isn’t George Forman a grill
give us the link of that match
@@sanketochavan - It was in an interview several years later.
@@davenorth8922 thanks man wish I could see that fight. Stay safe
Smokin' Joe Frazier
"You think I beat him, the last time? Do you? Huh?" "You got the decision." I love the lack of eye contact. Brilliant scene.
And the…. pause.
The memory of what was left of Creed at the end of the match is still fresh on their minds... of Balboa, too. They both left the match in gurneys, after all.
When you're trusted with a guy's health and well being, would you particularily want to throw him right back into that meat grinder?
@@andrewmalenda199also, watch the other two on the couch. They’re both glad Apollo didn’t ask them.
@@allhailthegr8 Yup. they're like "sh*****t." These impulses wind up killing Apollo in the end. Also, it's so beautiful how this story culminates with Duke and Rocky becoming the team.
It’s because they knew Apollo didn’t beat him. Tony said in the first film that he’s a southpaw and that you have to do everything in reverse. Tony knew that Rocky was a real threat to Apollo in the rematch. When Rocky was punching the meat in the first movie you could tell Tony was afraid for Apollo
Tony Burton was a boxer in real life only got beat once in 25 fights. A very underrated actor and made a massive contribution to the Rocky films
Rip Anthony Burton
wow,i didnt know that
I didn't know he was a boxer in his younger years. I'd heard he was a high school track and field star. That's awesome🙂 R.I.P. Tony Burton
That’s not true. He had 8 professional fights and went 4-3-1. Why lie?
@@spirojus Thanks for the 411, Mr. Spiro👌 Good lookin' out
2 loses and 1 draw Wikipedia
"He's all wrong for us baby."
Now that is some honesty.
It's also damn accurate. Apollo was an incredible boxer, with flawless technique and smarts for the sport. Rocky was just pure iron will. Tony knows how pissed Apollo is here, and he knows if they fight him again, Apollo won't be smart, he'll try and match him will for will... and its the ONLY place Rocky is Apollo's superior.
Apollo, those ribs of yours should have kept you out of that second fight!
They were tender just a few more punches away from barbecued.
Rocky was punching hard each time. He had something to prove.
Breland saying that to wilder about fury
Everyone needs someone in their life to keep it real like that for you.
Note, in the first Rocky, Tony's character immediately recognized that Balboa was the wrong person to mess with. Apollo was looking at a list of potential challengers, picked out Balboa, after a few seconds of looking at his credentials, he replied to Apollo, "he's a southpaw. I don't like you messing with southpaws."
Apollo's trainer, Duke is not only wise but is clearly the only one there that cares about his well being.
+Margaret Tudor He's doing exactly what Mickey did in Rocky III by trying to keep Apollo up on top for as long as possible until he goes down or retires. The longer Apollo is up, the more cemented in history he becomes and the better he'll be able to look after his family.
He's also doing what Rocky tries to do in IV, which is trying to talk Apollo out of challenging Drago. But Apollo has too much pride he doesn't back down on both occasions, losing his title in the former, and then his life in the latter.
the thing about this match though is Apollo had Rocky beat quite comfortably on points, wouldve been a lopsided decision win which was an improvement over the split decision in the first fight, his pride caused him to go for the KO in the last round and risk it all.
+Crichjo32 Apollo words u may not understand me now but you will understand me when its over..... that line stays in my head
Someone beat me to it. Great call Ian. Duke and Mickey are both very noble in that they want what's best for their fighters but they won't interfere with their ability to choose for themselves.
Remember in part one when Duke told Apollo, “You see, he don’t know it’s a damn show. He thinks it’s a damn fight.”
Man was weary of Rocky day 1
And when he watch Rocky punching those slabs of meat.
“Finish this bum and let’s go home!” 😂
Yeah when the news show had Rocky on punching the meat slabs, Duke said " Come watch this guy you're gonna fight. He looks serious." Apollo shook it off and said " Yeah yeah I'm serious too."
@@MattB2603 “Hey Shirley is there anymore coffee over there?” 😂 🤦🏾♂️
There is just something so powerful and engaging about that line in this scene. "... and he kept coming after you. we don't need that kind of man in our life." Insanely good writing.
Great direction too. Stallone is amazing.
So much said with so little.
I remember one line describing the winner of a boxing match being the last fighter to get knocked down...and getting up again. I think Tony suspected that Rocky would just keep getting up, over and over again...and that Apollo would have to KILL him to stop him.
It's kinda the same sentiment Micky has in 3, with the same results.
A normal man takes Duke's advice..but the world heavyweight champion is not a normal man and he wants to end any doubt about his superiority...those he believes others may have..and maybe even his own unspoken down deep in his soul
"We don't need that kinda man in our life" insanely good writing 👌
"Man, I won, but I didn't beat him!"
Apollo Creed was a champion.
"I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before and the man kept coming after you."= "It ain't about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward."
that's how winning is done. hmmmmmmm sounds kinda trumpian.
general mayhem , nothing trumpian about it. Its about overcoming adversity and moving on. Thats a lesson for the ages...
Edwin Kapurura Trump has overcome alot of adversity and continues to still do so. When the Public finally understands the whole story of what he was up against with the Illegal spying you will appreciate it alot more.
Trump is a buffoon in addition to being a village idiot who managed to buy his way out of going to Vietnam because he had a rich daddy. The man is a disgrace.
Edwin Kapurura yea a Buffoon that built skyscrapers all around the world and is worth 10 billion dollars. Yeah real buffon. NOPE you are the buffoon Edwin. Open your mind. Ohh yea FYI Trumps Bone Spur injury was legit enough that he stopped playing baseball due to it. Didn't even play College ball despite being a Star in High School and getting MLB attention. This was YEARS before Vietnam War even started dumbass. It wasn't just some make believe thing and believe it or not they defer people for a reason. Bone Spurs isn't an injury that you want someone to have that is going to be marching through the Mountains and the Jungles. Regardless that was 40 years ago and the most divisive war in US history and unless you were drafted to Vietnam yourself your attack is completely Hollow. You are closeminded brainwashed fool who has no idea what you are talking about just repeating Democrat Talking points. Puppet that is Pathetic. FREE YOU MIND Man.
The early Rocky movies have such amazing dialogue. Carl Weathers is an underrated talent, that's for sure
Back when we had real scripts vs a bunch of half assed action, shaky camera,and quick edits.
Great actor
@@MovieMuscle TRUE
Especially in Happy Gilmore
He never got the amount of work he deserved I stead we got nick cage, will smith, matt damon who i don't think have near as much charisma as Carl Weathers.
Apollo was the best antagonist because he was a fully formed character, not a caricature like Mr. T, Drago, Tommy Gunn, etc. Also, Carl Weathers is just a better actor than these other guys were.
I actually always liked Clubber because he was kind of the good guy. He works his ass off, he just wants to be judged on his fighting record and get the shot he deserves as #1 contender, and he knows how to get it ("Hey woman!"). And then it turns out Rocky HAS been ducking him without knowing it! He's basically the same guy Rocky was in the first movie, but meaner.
Dedric There What about Mason Dixon in Rocky Balboa? To me he was the best antagonist because of the vulnerability the character showed!
Apollo was not a true antagonist in the story. The first 2 films were more about Rocky trying to figure out who he should be, etc. The conflict is within himself mostly. Apollo was just his opponent who had his own issues being the champion.
Even Clubber Lang was really just an opponent and not a true antagonist. Outside of pushing Mickey down and giving him his final heart attack, the real problem was that Mickey told Rocky that he had been protecting him by picking fighters he knew he could beat which hurt his self confidence.
I'd say Drago was the first real antagonist because he actually killed his bff Apollo and wasn't terribly sorry about it. Although you could say he didn't hate Drago anymore after he beat him, but killing the main character's best friend even if it was legal, qualifies him as a true antagonist.
Then of course in Rocky 5, we had a couple of second rate antagonists. Mr. Washington who took Rocky's protege away with promise of fame and fortune with a red headed hooker to boot, and Tommy Gunn who became an antagonist after the press provoked him into thinking he wasn't a true champion without beating Rocky.
Anyway, Apollo had many redeeming qualities as a person except for his extreme pride that lost him his title and eventually got him killed. He as a great 3 dimensional character, but definitely not an antagonist for Rocky.
Jason Lee Of course you do know. When Apollo put out the article the Italian chicken! He was antagonizing him! So I would say that this could be built on fallacy!
They took it up a notch with every movie, went from a loudmouth to a prick to someone who appeared evil, they had nowhere to go taking making the antagonist worse but I suppose some who was his friend then betrayed him is as close as possible
it is absolutely appalling that Tony Burton never received a best supporting actor award. The man put every bit of his boxing experience into his acting and it really shows. Completely underrated actor. RIP
He was up against Network.
@@raygordonteacheschess5501 Does anyone even talk about that movie these days?
The throwl the towel bit in 4 when apollo was in deep trouble and he was seeing his man who was once the best .
Totally helpless
And truth, sometimes... accept all the money you have and forget about the bums making fun of ya. In the end they go home to a crummy apartment while you go home to an indoor swimming pool :P .
He was fantastic but he was also in the same movies as two other incredible supporting actors, Burgess Meredith (Mickey Goldmill) and Burt Young (Paulie Pennino). The series was truly blessed in that regard and to me it's one of the primary reasons it has held up so well. It was devastating in the first Creed film learning the fate of both Duke and Paulie.
"Man I won but I didn't beat him!" That was such a powerful line because I know it's a lot of great fighters out there feel that way about their counterpart.
A Champion's mentality.
That's why Mike Tyson is so respected as one of the greats and Floyd Jr. is a punk for dodging Manny all those years
@@tommitchell4570 he fought Manny twice and won both times my guy lol. You say he was dodging Manny but he’s older than Manny and still won
@@atomskreborn5740 Floyd was nothing but a coward and a bum and made sure to only fight the top fighters when they were old and past their prime Most overrated clown in the boxing world
Oh, yes, he did.
Apollo had dignity and pride. Mayweather would've been like "Fuck it, I got the decision, and I got paid, I don't give a shit"
Offend In Every Way Mayweather jr would've actually believed he beat Rocky.
Mayweather would have beat Rocky twice
Every controversial decision Mayweather gave a rematch
Offend In Every Way i really dont like maywether..you can say whatever you want..but there isnt anything in the boxing world you can blame him for..maybe that he didnt fought golovkin or ducked manny for some time. But this guy was the best boxer of his Generation and won everything he could. He also made hundreds of millions..I really dont like his shitty personality but i have huge respect for everything he reached.
Offend In Every Way whats wrong with that?
I DONT FEAR THE STRONGEST , I FEAR THE ONE WHO NEVER GIVES UP
Trent butler THAT'S A VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY WISE STATEMENT MY BROTHER BECAUSE IT'S THOSE WHO NEVER QUIT ARE THE ONES WHO CAN NEVER BE BEATEN BECAUSE THEY KEE
KEEP COMING BACK EVEN WHEN THEY LOSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T STOP UNTIL THEY WIN!!!!!
I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!
Rocky was the strongest and he never gave up
Trent butler A man can have all the physical strength in the world, but if he quits, that makes him weak. The true strong man is unrelenting, punishment be damned.
Tony really cared about Apollo. All those other dudes were just "yes-men" who would go along with whatever Apollo wanted because they were getting paid. Tony wasn't afraid to speak his mind... and from his heart. I think he's a highly under-rated and overlooked character, at least in the first couple of films.
OneEyedJack: It fits his character. In part 4, he explained that he raised Apollo. That means with the exception of Apollo's wife and kids, he lost more than anyone that night in Vegas. Tony loved and cared about Apollo. He was not just part of his entourage.
He's like the Wedge Antilles of the Rocky franchise.
Tony new when to throw the towel....He would have saved Apollo’s life.
And rocky's best trainer.
My dude was the only one that saw rocky coming
"He kept coming after you." Words to live by man. Keep answering the bell and life will be all right.
I liked your words too.
or you can really get yourself messed up, maybe its good to stay down and not die
Always loved Duke. From "He thinks it's a damn fight" to "Let's build some hurtin bombs."
Dude has some of the best lines in the franchise!
He doesn't know it's a damn show. He thinks it's a damn fight. Lets beat this bum and go home.
That and Don't punch with him!!!!!
Click - click.......Yeah!
"You see? He's not a machine! He's a man!"
He did have some great lines.
Want it more then he does! No pain! No pain! No pain! Now take it to 'em
"He's all wrong for us, baby" --- that single line set up the entire Rocky franchise --- even the Rambo franchise!
"... and the man kept coming after you...."
"& We don't need that kinda man in our lives"
@Dobbie Parsons , hahaha exactly
After having been homeless and beat up by people, I can relate to not giving up and pursuing the people who wronged me.
The only problem for them is, they think I forgot...but I was always come back....always.
@@MastaSmack thats not just giving up ur just talking about revenge
One of them more underrated and forgotten scenes of the Rocky franchise. Brilliant foreshadowing. RIP Tony Burton.
Underrated to some, but I've used that in sports for decades. One of my favorite Rocky scenes.
At their best, the Rocky movies had little moments like that: in the locker room before the first fight, when Rocky admits he can't beat Creed but wants it anyway; the argument with Mickey, raging about a prime he never had; Paulie wishing he could get inside Rocky's skin and become him -- until he saw his opponent. When Stallone confined himself to the little moments, he was a remarkable filmmaker.
For sure
MachKahn actually this was always one of my favourite stand out scenes
This scene is rated just fine.
One of the best scenes in the entire series.
indeed
Adolph Oliver Bush I agree whole heartedly.
"We don't need a man like that in our life" Never a more profound statement.
I love how Creeds coach is telling him “we dont want that kind of man in our life” and Creeds warrior spirit is kindled even more. Dudes a true fighter and a technical win will never cut it to him. respect.
Amen. A-fu@ken men.
You can tell that even Duke agrees with Apollo. He says "You got the decision", he didn't say "you won."
He knows Apollo's pride won't let it go but Duke also knows that Rocky is a dangerous "nobody" to pit against Apollo
Weathers always played Apollo like a real-life boxing champion, not as a movie champion. He’s stylish, urbane, fearless, and cares deeply about his reputation. And he’s not the “bad guy”. He’s Rocky’s opponent (and then later best friend).
That's another great aspect of this scene. It's telling the audience that yeah Apollo is the antagonist for the movie but you shouldn't hate him. He's gonna make himself seem like you should hate him but only because he's so driven to prove himself. He's a man that would rather have a clean loss after giving everything he had over a hollow victory. Apollo is the real deal and the only reason why Rocky's victory means anything at all is because he's up against the real deal. Apollo is a rival not an enemy.
Duke is so underrated in this series. He was the only one who recognized that Rocky was more dangerous than people thought in the 1st film, and he's the only one who recognizes that going after him again is a disaster waiting to happen. He also sees that beneath the arrogant facade, Apollo is now questioning his own worth just as much as Rocky ever did. Apollo is touted as the greatest fighter (a title he did in fact earn), but a random guy picked as a publicity stunt almost took it all away. He knew from the get go it wasn't going to come down to a decision. It was going to be all or nothing for Apollo, and that thought scared the hell out of Duke coming from a man he saw as his own son.
Tony (duke) is also the only one at this point in the film who still thinks rocky can beat apollo... Mickey doesn't think he should try because of his eye, and Adrian doesn't think he should old try at all
@@scottaznavourian3720 That's actually a great point
I mean, he knows, but he isnt the only one, behind all the bravado Apollo knew exactly what Duke was telling him, he knew he was right, but his pride in being a fighter just couldnt let it go, he had to get back into the ring with him.
Also Apollo was past his prime..he was getting old and couldn't be in his best form
Apollo was the best boxer in the Rocky series, however Rocky was the best fighter; a machine that wouldn't quit and Duke knew that. He was a very wise man.
I hope you only mean the fight that are laughable because the movie made history and for some pretty good reasons.
It gave me a father figure as a child and into my adult hood. I am thankful God gave me some grace in life.
Its pretty obvious that you are a boxing enthusiast and it's true that the box scenes from rocky are not grounded or hyper realistic but to say these films are laughable is a bit heavy. If your suspension of disbelief is that narrow maybe you shouldn't watch movies. O.o
By the way Rocky is not even a boxing movie. Its a romance and character study movie.
Apollo's PRIDE IS LEGENDARY
Apollo: "You fight great, but I'm a great fighter." --from "Rocky III" :)
Duke was Apollo”s Most loyal, and honest man around him. He told him the truth, same as Mickey Telling Rocky about Clubber Lang in part 3. Tony Burton really was a Gem in the Rocky Franchise!
“ The man kept coming after you” describes Rocky perfectly!
Not many knew that Tony Burton was a prize fighter in real life, before he started acting. This role came natural for him. He spoke like true boxing pro throughout these priceless scenes. Loved him in these movies!!!!!
local Golden Glove champ, not prize fighter. he also served 3 years at Chino
Heard he was a pretty good chess player as well
Tony Burton had character gravitas, unlike most kid actors these days, the guy had history of life before acting, thats awesome.
Charles Jones Jr., Right there's a powerful episode of ' In the Heat of the Night'. Where he played a washed-up boxer, trying to get his life back together again. He has some pretty good scenes with O'Connor.
When he tells apollo that he knows what he's feeling... you can tell that shit feels real. 'Let it go'
he's all wrong for us baby...haha. i wanna start talking like a cool 1970s black dude.
Yeh calling each other baby seemed to have died in 1980
I like how Apollo called Clubber Lang as Chump, if it was today he'd call him Bro!
alex ojideagu lol I dunno my uncle didn't get that memo
Same here ya digg.
Dan Kidd
Solid!
Best lines from Rocky II. "I saw you beat that man like I never saw any man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you." Makes me want to watch I, II and III again.
“I saw you beat that man like I never saw a man get beat before… and the man… kept… coming… after you…”
the warning Apollo refused to listen to.
Just noticed the way he put that "t" in k-e-p-t.
I think it actually confirmed his decision to do the rematch as he thanked him after he said it. As a competitor/champ Apollo wanted to confirm he was the best .
When he says; " "... and he kept coming after you. we don't need that kind of man in our life." I get goosebumps... Apollo knew in that moment for sure, he cannto go on without fighting Rocky again, because Apollo also had code of honour and... Rocky was not like other humans that was for sure... not like majority of others when it comes about HEART, and Apollo knew that and respected that. GREAT SCENE
Goodbye Tony Burton, damn a heavy heart today. A staple in the Rocky movies that will be missed. I was hoping he would have been in Creed. Thank you for the memories
"no pain baby, no pain!" "it's your whole life right here" "All your strength, all your power, all your love. Everything you've got." "You're gonna have to go through hell, worse than any nightmare you've ever dreamed. But when it's over, I know you'll be the one standing."
RiP Tony Burton
tvmoviefan I also liked him in the shining
tvmoviefan I wished he could have been in the Creed movies.
tvmoviefan the 80s
+Lavern Davis jr that would've been AWESOME! They didn't use him enough in Rocky 6, but in creed, it would've been epic
" I saw you beat that man, like I'd never seen no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you "
Still fires me up to this day. Be that man Duke was talking about
Was simply amazing
It ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.
🎯
RIP TONY BURTON
"I won, but I didn't beat him!" - I have always loved that line. Just the way he said it.
Like Nam man .... like Nam
There was never any hate between rocky and Apollo... respect and they ended up as best friends and after Apollo's death, his trainers trained Rocky..great story line
Tony Burton's performance in this scene is so good. Just a great actor. RIP.
One of my favourite scenes of any movie, all time.
I love the expression and quiet yell when he say "I know what you're feeling. Let it go! Let it go!
This is one of my favorite scenes because it shows that Apollo isn’t a bad guy. He is a competitor who has a lot of pride but he’s not a cookie cutter evil character. We understand why he wants Rocky back in the ring.
Duke is also my favorite in this scene because he was the only one who wasn't afraid to speak the truth against Apollo.
Duke subtly agrees that it was Rocky who won the fight and beat Apollo. He was just trying to be blunt to let it go but Apollo's pride wouldn't let him.
This was my favorite Carl Weathers scene in the Rocky films. May he and Tony Burton Rest In Peace
People talk about Rocky, but the supporting characters are great as well ! Mickey, Duke, Apollo, Pauli, even Gazzo on the first movie, they are all outstanding and they helped to make this series to become a masterpiece
This scene and the scene on the first movie where Rocky appears on TV punching the meat (when Duke says "hey champ, this boy means business") are in my top 5 scenes of the series.
Paulie! Paulie never gets the credit he deserves. He was the first person to realize what the hell Rocky was doing in the second Lang fight. And then against Drago, when Rocky is "seeing three of him out there," Paulie is able to draw on his years of experience as a blackout drunk and deliver the classic advice "Hit the one in the middle!" He may have been dumb, but he was damn useful to have in your corner.
Mister Twist let’s not forget how Paulie accidentally got Rocky bankrupt in the 5th movie
I'd add the scene in Rocky 3 where Mick has a similar talk w/Rocky about Clubber. Mick was protecting Rocky the way Duke protected Apollo.
It's all about the script.. giving good dialogue to good actors who are playing interesting characters is why it works. Compare the dialogue from Rocky, to the dialogue in Rocky 4 and you'll see why one won an Oscar and the other didn't.
@@captainpharaoh except that Duke did accept variety of challenges and train Apollo accordingly to make him the heavyweight champion of the world, unlike Mickey who like a grandfather admitted to setting matches with guys "who was good fighters but not KILLERS, fighters out of Rocky's or Apollo's league" just to protect him. I am certain Rocky must've been broken from inside even before his first match with Lang when he faced the truth.
apollo was so intelligent. talked more like a lawyer or financial investor. it's only when we see him fight that we remember he's an amazing boxer.
it's just a movie, boxers are usually dumb.
Carl weathers was awesome as apollo
BleJd09 Apollo character drew inspiration from Muhammad Ali who was Intelligent and a Showman in addition to being the best in the World which is why we see these Character Traits show up instead of a stereotypical "dumb boxer"
@@thomasdemay9805 I see Apollo as Apollo and Rocky as Rocky.
Geo Mag I agree with you I do the same. I was just pointing it out because the one guy said "boxers are usually dumb" why the Character was written that way but there is NO DOUBT the Character Apollo and Weathers performance of him stand on their own.
Duke knew what Rocky was the moment he watched him on the news in the meat house in the first film. So glad he was back in Rocky Balboa for a last appearance.
Too bad he wasn't at Creed
@@hanksh7285 yeah rip
Yeah, when he was training Rock & said we need some good old blunt force trauma, lol. Hit him so hard it'll rattle his ancestors!!
He looks like he means business....Apollo “Yeah ya I mean business too...Shirley can u get me some more coffee..”
“He’s all wrong for us baby “. Love it. Tony says it all in one sentence. His love for Apollo and his respect of Rocky’s determination and raw power.😀👍🏻
Stallone did a hell of job on this movie
Starring, writing, directing, the man is literally a machine
Duke knew Apollo (The irresistible force)had finally met the immovable object (Balboa) The fear was Duke knew was not only of loss but possible death as well. No trainer ever wants his fighter to meet a man like that in the ring.
gutz1981 LMFAO plzzzzzzzz! That's why Mr t destroyed Rocky.. Till Apollo trained him right?, Enabling Rocky to win... In other words Apollo is waaaayyyyy better then Rocky!
Rahmel Rush god you’re dumb.
Brian, you're right.. although i understand his logic there. Even Rocky said that Creed was the best ever.
gutz1981 facts
Rahmel Rush your right Rocky fights great but Apollo IS a great fighter
I still say, this is the best scene of the movie.
I agree
Agreed. Duke was a smart man. He even tried to warn Apollo about Rocky in the first movie.
Where Nesta? Bhhb
shootermav11 h
Definitely the key turning point when Apollo pulls the trigger
Rocky I and II were such great films. I loved them when I was a kid. They made me want to go start training to be a boxer.... Thank goodness I came to my senses..... LOL
that one line always gave me chills....
Duke looks Apollo square in the eye and says :
"I saw you beat that man, like id seen no man get beat before....
and the Man kept coming After You....."
Classic scene by Tony Burton R.I.P. Mr. Burton.
Duke knew that it was in Apollo's best interest not to fight Rocky again. He and Adrian were the voices of reason in those movies!
+Mauricio Berdugo RIP to Duke.........Just passed away
I always thought of Adrian as more the shrill voice of doubt and demotivation, but whatevs.
The only movie where Adrian was an asset to Rocky was Rocky III when it was her who finally got Rocky off his ass.
Rocky 2? "Theres one thing I want you to do for me...WIN"
Rocky 3 she gets him to stop being scared of clubber lang "theres nothing wrong with being afraid your human aintcha?"
Rocky 4 when she went to russia "i missed you no matter what....No matter what"
Rocky 5 "you wanna pass something on pass it on your son"
Adrian was the reason why rocky never gave up,everything rocky done was to keep Adrian happy. The voice of reason in every chapter of the rocky saga except Rocky Balboa.
Mick didn't want Rocky to fight Apollo again either.
RIP Tony Burton... You were great in the Rocky franchise.
This is why Apollo was a great champion. If there was a guy out there that was a worthy challenger, he was not going to duck him like so many fighters do. His manager was protecting him and wanted him to fight lower risk fights. That's how boxing actually works. But Apollo wanted nothing to do with that. Much respect. I only wish real boxing was that way.
"Man, I won but I didn't beat him." Best line?
Great acting, too
@@Fakename70 loved appollo in predator
@@zachsingh1 You absolutely right lol
Brothu couldn't let it go. Great scene. "I saw you beat that man, like I never saw a man beat before, and the man kept coming after you. We don't need that kind of man in our life" LOL great line serious yet very funny at the same time.
When I beat a man like you never saw a man beat before, and the man keeps coming after me - that's just when the game begins.
In reality those are the worst kind of people to deal with, the kind that no matter how badly you beat them, that they keep coming after you.
Yeah, most of them are maniacs who don't know any limits and that makes them both unpredictable and dangerous. It's best to stay clear of them.
either maniacs or zombies, best to stay clear of both.
Gennady Golovkin, Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano are good examples.
nah, if you want to beat them you have to turn yourself into a maniac.
As are the late Arturo Gatti, Micky Ward, and Ruslan Provodnikov.
Always respect Apollo for giving Rocky that second chance he knew in his heart he didn’t beat him and that’s what it takes to be a champion, Great acting and storyline forever will be one of my favorite movies
“Let it go…let it go.” AMAZING that Sly would use that exact same line in “First Blood”
I know, huh??
"I could kill them all, I could have kill you."
Tony always knew how dangerous Rocky was from the first film. Tony might be the best trainer in the Rocky series. He always has a gameplan to win the match. He knew Apollo could knock Rocky out, but the plan was to beat him on points.
@@NicholasPeters1 No he wouldn't have.
Carl Weathers and Tony Burton were superb in all of these films. No disrespect to anyone, especially Stallone, the screenwriter, but these two elevated the whole franchise.
Apollo is a true champ. He cares about the legitimacy of his Championship.
Out of so many great lines & scenes the lines between apollo & tony here are perfection they describe absolutely everything about rocky & apollo.
Duke showed that he cared for Apollo enough to be honest with him, even if it hurt Apollo's pride. He showed it again in Rocky IV. Duke was yelling for Rocky to throw in the towel, but Rocky didn't want to hurt Apollo's feelings, which wound up getting Apollo killed.
Its just a Hollywood script with acting. Its not real life. Ray Mancini beating Doo Koo Kim and he died later at the hospital. Now that's real.
Throw the damn towel
@@holdenmcgroin9774 Yeah everyone knows it's a movie. Thanks boss
That is why the first two are great movies. To see both the characters change so drastically is just awesome
"Now we don't need that kind of man in our life." Just fucking beautiful.
This was back when we saw real men in movies. These are fully developed, strong characters. They WANT something, and we can feel what they're going through.
Absolutely, bro
Man, this is still one of the best scenes ever for me. RIP Tony Burton. Very underrated actor, IMO.
This conversation alone built Rocky's character so much that they didn't even need the rest of the movie to do it. You could clearly feel the fear in Tony's voice, and the uncertainty in Apollo's. Damn good acting.
I think Tony had a number of fears. Of course, death in the ring was foremost. But the advisors were saying he could get the same money fighting someone else, maybe to him it was a matter of time to move on. A boxer, as just about any other athlete, has a limited amount of time to be at the top of his game. While Apollo is complaining about fan reaction to his fight against Rocky, another fight could also provoke backlash from other fighters hollering about when are they going to get their shot. Rocky had also been advised not to fight again due to eye damage from their first fight, there is a scene in the movie where Micky shows him he can not see well enough to take on Apollo.
@@NicholasPeters1 That's true. Tony was scared that Rocky would eventually overcome the odds because he already showed doing it in the first fight. I also think Tony was scared that even if Apollo were to win again, it wouldn't be any easier than it was the first time because he barely beat Rocky. It would make confirm suspicion that Apollo was a paper champ because in the eyes of the people Rocky's a nobody. He was a nobody, seen as a nobody, treated as a nobody, and laughed at as a nobody. Even by Apollo himself. A nobody going the distance with the world champion is disgraceful enough as it is. They underestimated him, but Tony saw through all of that. It was a facade because only he knew what kind of fighter Rocky was, and how hungry he was. That's what this whole fight was about, it wasn't to win a championship rather something to prove. That's what haunted Apollo, and the fact of him having that much difficulty was shameful. Tony knew that Rocky was a bad match up for Apollo, and eventually the tide was going to overturn. Agree with what you said.
“I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before and the man kept coming after you.”
I love Apollo in this movie he was such the perfect pick for this franchise.. and his trainer is as amazing. Thank you for this masterpiece of a scene
One of the best written scenes in cinema history. So deep.
Duke is like the Boba Fett of the Rocky Series. He doesn't do much, but he has these small awesome moments that make me love hm. His "Let It Go" speech is one of my favorite acting moments in the whole series.
That's comparison is a backhanded insult. Boba Fett does NOTHING. He's a crappy character and his ridiculous popularity continues to baffle me. Duke is way cooler.
@@QuietMan81 So... Boba Fett appears in The Mandalorian.
Those longtime Boba Fett fans weren't kidding.
@@QuietMan81 Boba Fett found the Falcon and helped the Empire entrap Han Solo and therefore Luke Skywalker. His actions are pivotal to the plot of Empire. It's not that baffling really. Maybe you should watch the movie.
@@nicknewman7848 Well it's a moot point now since they finally gave in and made up an actual interesting character to stick in the armor for Mandalorian, so i'm retroactively wrong regardless.
@@QuietMan81 ..and that's a moot point for someone who doesn't bother with Disney Star Wars. So, depending on both point of views you're either wrong or retroactively wrong. Congratulations
One of my favorite scene's in the rocky series
This is an iconic scene, maybe the best scene from Rocky II...."He's all wrong for us, baby!!". What a great actor!
In sports, sometimes a guy just has your number. It doesn't matter how great you are. That's what Apollo's trainer was trying to explain to him about Rocky.
One of the best scenes in the whole series.
He's all wrong for us Baby !!!!
Ray Rocco "now, we don't need that kind of man in our life."
Tony always kept it 100 with stubborn Apollo..Apollo still was the best skilled boxer tho
nicksixer LOL !!
+2KILLAVILLE Apollo was stubborn but he's got the heart of a champ
So many great characters, lines and life lessons in all of the Rocky movies. Cherished and treasured in our family.
The fact he didn't let it go is what made him a champion. He wasn't an evil man, he was Rocky in another form.
Apollo “Do you think I beat him last time”
Trainer “You got the decision”
Apollo “Man, I won but ain’t didn’t beat him”
Amazing
Rest in peace Apollo….Carl Weathers 😢😢😢A true legend
You can tell Apollo Creed respects Rocky as a contender and a worthy opponent.
I liked Apollo at lot more than Rocky in this one. He wanted the fight for vindication when there's a lot of fighters who barely squeak out a win and want no part of a rematch.
ajbahus Apollo would've won the fight if his pride didn't get the better of him.
Nicolas Matteo Yes because unlike the first fight even though Apollo won by split decision, it was pretty much an even fight, in R2 Apollo DOMINATED the whole fight, i think Rocky may have won one round. If Apollo had stayed away like Duke told him to he would have not only won on points but it would not even have been a split decision, Apollo would have won unanimously but he was too focused on knocking Rocky out which led to his downfall
You mean like Lennox Lewis??
In a series full of iconic lines this one stood out to me most as child. my father showed me these movies repeatedly in my childhood. As a kid i always remembered "let it go" because tony saw what others couldn't. I didn't have the comprehension to overthink dialog and themes. But this line was just chilling. I also always remembered, "there is no tomorrow" , "if he dies, he dies" & "It stinks in here!"
From a rocky fan, please give his trainer an award. This man was a great actor
This is the greatest night in the history of my life, great line for Rocky after the fight.
He's no good for us baby , THE MAN KEPT COMING AFTER YOU !!!!! . Thats true stuff from a trainer .
RIP Carl Weathers. Great scene this.
A very underrated scene and actor. This is great.
and movie. I think Rocky II had the best acting performances in the series.
testodude Rocky II overall best film of series
" he's all wrong for us baby ! "-- Duke
“He doesn’t know it’s a damn show, he thinks it’s a damn fight.. now finish this bum and let’s go home!”
You think I beat him last time?
*TONY LOOKS AWAY*
You got the decision.....
😮😮😮😮😮
Your main man knows in his heart you shouldn't have the belt. That's cold!
They not saying he lost fight. He won the decision on points but rock took the fight to him. Pressed him, pushed him, punished him
@@sinmilitant8189 naw .... when he looks away he can't bring himself to lie to Creed...
@@ericruiz1036 u beat that man like i never saw a man got beat before don’t sound like he loss. It’s like Ali Frazier. Ali win on points but Frazier did more damage
I see it different.
Point blank question: do you think I beat him?
Answer: not, yes you beat him. Not even, yes, you won. Yes, you got the decision....
Still a great scene regardless of how you interpret it.
1:07 "I saw you beat that man, like I never saw no man get beat before, and the man kept coming after you."
"Now, we don't need that kinda man in our life."
Sounds like a horror movie
What an incredibly well-acted and well-written scene.
I like the relationship Apollo Creed has with his manager here.
It shows that he trusts his word more than any other.
True respect on both their parts
Rest in peace to both of these talents.
Tony should of got an oscar for just this one scene. It gave me goose bumps the way he expressed himself. Tony helped the rocky series tremendously. I dont know if he got an oscar but i sure hope he did. RIP tony
Oscars are fixed everything is they go too A listers only