We Fixed Ruby and Took Her Out For Some SPICY Rips... She Left Us Stranded!!!
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- Ruby has been a real problem lately... not sure what we're going to do to get here sorted out. Sounds like we may have to rewire her completely :(
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I cannot believe Zack has worked for cleetus this long and thats his first time feeling that power 😂😂
I agree. They should have had a camera on him for that test ride. That was so awesome to see how excited Zack was after being a part of that.
Yea it's kind of surprising. but being a mechanic, even on a race team, doesn't mean you get to ride in the customers/owners car.
dude SAME! I love Zach haha. he needs to get behind the wheel of something fast. he busts his ass
His reaction behind the camera was awesome😂🤣😂
I wouldn’t get i. A car with cleetus working there that long either lmao 😂
Seconds after his first run, Zack turned that knob at the first word from Cleet without hesitation. I respect the instant commitment
Dude that was hilarious. My dude was turning that knob instantly haha
it's almost criminal that your man Zack has done what he's done in that shop and not gotten to take a rip in Ruby. i see an "Employee Appreciation Day" video in your future once she's fixed.
Yes Tye should get a chance too. They work so hard to make stuff happen. Maybe they aren't interested in something like that but I would sure jump on a chance at a 8.50 pass
Agree 100% all the boys need joyrides ASAP
the other "mechanic' breaks to much stuff. But i agree let zack and Tye take a swing at it
@@ratrider5748 I agree. LSG is way more than a "mechanic".
Hearing Zach lose his mind when u did that pull in ruby put the biggest smile on my face
Time to let Zack run ruby for easy 8s like all of your friends. Dude deserves it after all this work
It takes experience and skill to control and handle a car of that power. He will have be worked up to that type of driving. Look at George. Still learning even though he's doing great.
Absolutely a great way to Kill Zach 🤦♂️. Just because someone works hard doesn’t mean they want to go fast or have the capability
I know Zach can do it.
@@osulxa I think they basically proved that you can almost through any one in Ruby and run 8's, because that's exactly what they did!
Diesel dave did it, im pretty sure he wasnt very experienced
The fact that Zach has helped make these cars so fast and hasn't experienced it himself is crazy lol
I build the turbo kits for Prayoonto Racing/P2uned and haven't experienced it yet :(
We have 2 of the world's fastest A90/A91 Supra's right now.
@@carmahfk7399 Ask a manager or something for a cruise. Let them know its "imperative you feel what the kit feels like, in order to improve on the next one" something professional so they cant so no. lol
Ruby is just letting you know, she's not going anywhere with out Leroy! might as well change their names to Bonnie and Clyde.
👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Or Adam & Steve.
Agreed
You mean Leroy and Coker
That’s exactly what I said
I’m sure you’ve checked, but don’t forget the ground path throughout the car. It’s all too easy to forget that great supply side voltage needs a way to get home. Good hunting!!
Just a reminder that it's actually the other way around. Electrons actually flow out of the negative terminal. I know it doesn't make sense, but that's how it is.
I've spent many hours chasing power/lighting gremlins on trailer wiring and its always, ALWAYS a grounding issue without fail!!!
Have exactly no idea whats wrong with Ms Ruby, but you're NEVER wrong checking grounding first ;-)
Came here to say this!! Add some quality grounds to that beast for good measure!
Soo true bro. My friend has a 70 Camaro he has so many ground straps on the car to the chassis, battery ECT. He told me just what you stated people over look a good ground so often. He grinds every place he has it grounded but he never has trigger issues, nitrous solenoids, noise in the stereo
@@460EFI It's pretty much as simple as electrons are negatively charged particles wanting to stabilize, which means they have to get to a positive charge.
Cleeter, call up Rob Dahm and have him completely re-wire Ruby. That man obsesses over that stuff more than his apex seals, and that's saying something for a diehard rotary guy. He'll sort the electrical gremlins out 😂
F**k yeah, a Cleeter / Daddy Dahm cross-over episode would be EPIC!
A good point was raised during Ruby's test, there's a few guys at the shop that really ought to experience a proper pass, even as a passenger, it should prove quite motivating!
I think Leroy and Ruby have a symbiotic relationship, one can't run without the other!
Lol makes sense
It really really does 🤣
🤓 "symbiotic"
Lol I agree they are bonded and require to both work
They are inanimate objects
Sounds like you need to take Zack out for a ride and film his reaction!
Not in the Elco. Poor Zach might crap himself with all that power
Is the crank pully a 4 magnet or twelve magnet version? Holly computers will only work right with the 4 magnet ones i believe is the rule. Check with Steve Morris to find out which one you should be using!!
Please upvote this so he sees it. Never had this problem until he stopped using the stock location crank sensor! I
My thoughts and post i posted hinted to the same: Guys have you thought about Electromagnetic interference causing the sensor to fail or loose signal? You might want to rewire with shielded electrical sensors and wiring. So much electronic components will start interfering with other components. Worth a thought.
I think that they have tried that, but you can see in the video that he has the 12 magnet reluctor wheel on the car, Holly computers don't like thoes for some reason and will only work properly with the 4 magnet reader wheel I think is the rule. The haltec ones will only work properly with the 12 magnet or something to that effect.
Either way it is a simple fix unless he has damaged the engine trying to get it to run on the wrong wheel ecu combination.
@@codylapoint didn't he have problems with the stock location crank sensor, which is why he put it on the front in the first place?
Steve Morris put out a video a while back about crank sensors and said there was a real issue with the ones using a 12 point magnet set up I believe. He switched down to a 10 magnet sensor pulley mount and that cures most issues common with rpm sensors in Holleys if I remember correctly.
Rubys fix may be as simple as changing out that billet piece and then setting the different count in the software if you are using what he was talking about.
Okay, you gotta build Zack a race car. He's an awesome part of the team and needs to enjoy all that horsepower too.
Someone has to drive the Godzilla Mustang. Or is Tye driving that?
@@Rebar77_real would be cool to see him pilot it
I think what you meant to say was, You gotta let Zach build himself a racecar. :) jk
@@Fackler91 Tye is a Fellow Ford man so I think its a great fit (:
I dunno why everyone keeps saying this stuff. He's already paying them lol. He doesn't NEED to build anyone on the team a race car. That's 1. Incredibly expensive, 2. Not necessary.
Zack's reaction was priceless and refreshing! Easy to forget how fast these things are!
Can't wait for some drag racing content. I love everything on this channel but the shenanigans and drag racing is why I started watch years ago. Great video as always brother.
I'm sure once Bradenton is back open we will
Yep I’m going through mullet withdrawals, I wanna see another 6 second pass!
Not going to lie, I fast fwd through or don’t watch the drift content at all, and it’s not Cleeter, any drift stuff is just boring as hell. Looking fwd to more drag stuff, or jet boat stuff or anything other than drifting stuff to be honest.
David Kellington, that’s the way I feel about the burnout contests. I just don’t grasp the excitement
@@chrislongbeard Bradenton is open.
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Zacks reaction was amazing, please let him make a pass in Ruby once she's dialled
Through the process of elimination, if I'm remembering correctly, the only thing you haven't swapped or changed is the Holley right? Maybe the input for the crank signal is starting to give up the ghost... Maybe pull one from another car and flash it? Just for testing purposes. Also, I know prox sensors are pretty low voltage, worth a shot checking ALL your grounds, maybe a different alternator, any noise in the system could drown that out too... Just some thoughts from a feller
Try changing out the ECU. I remember Ricer Miata has the same kind of issue where he changed out everything and still had the same problem. It wasn't until he finally changed out the ECU that the problem went away. Since you have so many Holleys it should be easy just to do a swap to see if the problem follows.
I agree. It's either the wiring to the sensor or the ECU itself at this point. I think they aready re-ran the wires. Also, Steve Morris said 12-magnet reluctor wheels are no good on holley. Maybe a 4-magnet one would work better needing less resolution.
Agree, change the brain.
fair dinkum it's likely the computer. they said they reran the wires so that should be good. this problem has persisted across different ignition systems with the ecu being the common denominator
@@Wulthrin Steve Morris says it’s the reluctor wheel (as mentioned above) the type they’re using isn’t great for holley’s I dare say change that first
@@Wulthrin What i remember they change the ecu because they have problem with logs. Rewire everything change bunch of sensors.They change location form oryginal in block and still the same problem.
The toggle switches on our fire control systems (I blow things up for a living) have a safety lock on them. You have to pull out a little on them before they can be flipped up or down. Might be worth looking into to avoid killing your major systems accidentally while ripping it.
solid suggestion!
This might sound crazy and take it with a pound of salt because I've never built a racecar but sometimes when you've been facing the same problem for a long time, talking about Ruby losing crank angle sensor, and can't figure it out get a fresh set of eyes on it. Maybe give Ruby to KSR Kevin or someone else with a wealth of knowledge who hasn't tried to fix Ruby's crank angle sensor problem, before rewiring and changing the engine.
A fresh mind can make a huge difference.
@@BrayleArroyo
X2 on that comment!
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Sometimes you just need to put someone else on the job, "I'am in a corner, I'am out of ideas.. now it's your turn"
And the best way of it is if the new Guy on the problem don't know enything of what you have tried.
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I bet its something so obvious that they've not though of as well, I hate when that happens and someone else comes in and just finds it 😂😂
I think you are getting a lot of inductive crosstalk, and at some point when you're under power and generating high amounts of current that inductive gain is causing you to get bad signal. So two things first affix a faraday day cage around where the crank sensor is. doesn't have to be anything fancy just some grounded metal which is enclosing that area. Then make sure that the wires you're using are shielded and grounded.
I work in it, and sometimes we have problems with signal because of cable runs being too close to other power lines or other lines carrying current causing induction. So for critical data lines we will use shielded and grounded cable.
I would at least try that, it's an inexpensive thing to try.
@@Matty.Hill_87 it's scary how often that happens. Then you spend the next few years kicking yourself in the ass wondering how you missed 'it.'
Looks like its time to "re-think" the whole "ramptruck" for the FF. Love the content! Top-notch as always.
I think to solve this kind of problems is to rip out all the oem wiring and install a new wirekit from Holley ore something.
It is the 12 magnet reloctor wheel he is using with his cps. Holly computers only like the 4 magnet ones.
My thoughts and post are: Guys have you thought about Electromagnetic interference causing the sensor to fail or loose signal? You might want to rewire with shielded electrical sensors and wiring. So much electronic components will start interfering with other components. Worth a thought.
absolutely not, off the shelf holley harnesses are awful
@@opossom1968 that's what I was thinking as well but I'm no expert
although its a big job, they need to make sure they have a clean power/ground, a dirty power/ground, and all sensors and components are grounded accordingly. Then check if the cam and crank wire are shielded and terminated properly. It seems like it's losing signal only under high rpm/load, so it's losing resolution somewhere. The last step would be to gut the engine harness, or maybe even all wiring, and do a proper concentric twist harness to prevent noise.
Ruby's just going through the rebellious jealous older sibling phase with Mullet around
Been spreading yourself thinly with all the other projects. Can’t beat Ruby, Neighbour & Leroy- don’t neglect these 🇺🇸
Couldn’t have said it better myself. 🇺🇸
But what about the dale truck???
Leroy is most important because Ruby won’t run if Leroy can’t
@@patricsturm5473 for real dude the dale truck is one of my favorites, that thing is so fucking sick!
I miss the old shenanigans that got me to subscribe. The channel used to be more fun and filled with random stuff but it seems to have turned into a professional racing series from boats to cars. I want to see some science stuff again like Spinning a fidget spinner with nitrous , fitting turbo whistles to the C7 , filling a car with gasoline instead of oil , trying to drive a 4x4 under water with a homemade snorkel and testing random car products.
Oh man, I thought Zach was gonna have to change his shorts when ol' Cleetus gave Ruby the reins!
Have you checked all Ruby's ground/earth points? My experience with weird electronic problems has shown bad or sketchy grounding to cause all kinds of issues. Thanks for another fun video, Team Cleetus!
Poor Ruby, we'd all love to see her and all of the other OG's on the channel some more 💪
I saw a post not long ago about a couple people having issues with holley harnesses. There seems to be a batch that weren't properly crimped causing this issue. 🤔
Zack’s reaction was great. When Ruby is dialed he needs a 8 second pass
Dt do it it’s a scam
@@laurelspradlin2154 I messaged him he did not like talking to me I got him so upset that he unblocked his account and tried to call me and kept telling me to pick up the phone then once I told him where he was from and that I was coming for him he deleted this account
Idk man let him gets some rips on a 10 second car first.
Nothin gets the heart rate up like puttin the pedal to the metal, especially the brake pedal.
😂😂😂😂😂 👆this!
😂😂😂😂
Is this LS George's burner account?😂😂
That's some grade A T-shirt material right there!
@@AimHere yep! First part on the front brake pedal part on the back.
Crankshaft end play messing with crank sensor?
have you tried talking to Ruby softly and asking her why she's been so upset lately?
Lol
It's the 12 magnet reluctor on the crank. I'd bet on it.
She's a typical woman being a moody cow lol
Try caressing the rear fender ever so slightly
Clearly she misses Leroy as much as the rest of us.
You are making yourself one of the most entertaining automotive influences in every area. On road off road on the water. You're fun to watch man, congratulations on making your dreams reality everyday.
when ruby and leroy ran twin 7’s, shoot basically a drag car weddin. ruby can’t burn right without ol leroy up and drivin just facts.
You guys will get her figured out. I miss Ruby and Leroy.
Patiently waiting for some Leroy content 😁😁
@@parma-sean I couldn't have said it better
"Gettin to the point we're gonna rewire the whole car".
Yep there ya go the second I heard Zack say he was replacing speaker wire that's the first thought I had. It's time to update Ruby's wiring and get it all set up correctly. She's earned it and we all know you've got more than enough money and time in her to justify it. Not sure about new engine but then again Zack said she's got a cylinder or two not optimal so maybe. Hands down Ruby hooks and rolls straight as good or better than any other car y'all have no matter the track so it's probably about time she got a real intense once over...
Man that’s gotta be a wild feeling being at your shop while an event generating revenue is going on at your owned track. All that and still under 30 years old. You’re a boss
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If you have another Holley computer sitting around, try swapping that in. It could be the computer itself or move the trigger input to a different channel (if it lets you do that). I had an old Haltech ECU give me issues similar to that, and it ended up needing the ECU repaired. I found out by swapping the ECU from a friend’s car that uses the computer, and magically ran fine after the ECU swap. I had to send mine back to Haltech for repair and is running great now.
Time to put a real scope that has logging on the crank signal wire and monitor it as you rip. I don't know what kind of wire their using but a fully braided shielded wire using a telescoping ground will give you the best signal without interference...
that's above their paygrade
With Holley being a long time sponsor I am surprised they haven't sent an engineer to remedy your problem, it doesn't look good for them when a influencer has problems and the comments section is saying they ought to run Fuel Tech parts.
But fuel tech is better
Holley doesnt care. They will still sell a ton of units due to pricing and this point Rubys ecm and harness are so blotched its not their fault. They literally need to replace the harness or send it off for repair
@@robbygray9562 Glad we have you being a spokesperson for Holley, you are definitely a business wizard.
@@indianaslim4971 they literally have butt connectors hooking wires together, and didnt even hook the power and ground up correctly to begin with. Clearly says in the manual to ONLY hook the main power and ground directly to the battery. wiring and junk connectors is a no no for any efi system even fuel tech lol
@@robbygray9562 That’s why Mullet worked with this setup because it had proper wiring.
Hey Cleet, if you want to 100% get to the bottom of the sync issue, get your hands on an oscilloscope and get a measurement of the 5V supply and output pins from the crank sensor. Is the sensor gap set correctly, looks pretty wide in the video? If the trigger wheel or crank sensor are moving and opening up the gap that could do it. Either way the oscilloscope data should point you in the right direction.
Maybe the crank is walking in the block and when the crank walks it loses signal because the reluctor wheel is to far away from the crank sensor 🤷♂️
RUBY defo not happy you built Mullet 😂😅 she like dammit I thought I was you baby! haha, hopefully you can figure out what the problem is love to see the old girl back in the video's ripping! and excited to see Leroy make a comeback soon too!!
Ruby will never work right if Leroy is not ready that’s just a fact
They furrrends
Ruby is just staging a protest for her fallen brother 😭😂
If I was cleetus, I'd rip out all the wires throw that Holley in the garbage and start new, new good wires, new computer, new sensors. If you've changed everything but the computer it could be the Holley itself internally that you never find/fix or solve. Going back to all mechanical and carbureted looks pretty damn good.
i have seen 2 strange problems like this before. Both had to do with the charging system. #1 Alternator was inducing AC voltage into they system and confusing the ECM.
#2 High rate of charge in battery cables running right next to ecm wiring causing RF interference and making ECM do strange things.
Maybe this will help, maybe not. Either way, sure do enjoy the video's.
no idea if it matters but possibly the exhaust being a 1/4 inch away from the crank sensor is bugging the sensor i know he and electronics do not like each other and i also know magnets loose there properties with heat just an idea
One of those 1 farad audio system capacitors would clear that right up.
Ruby is Heart-broken. She misses running with Leroy. For those 8 seconds or less... They're free.
Have you tried switching Ruby’s ecu ? maybe internally damaged or something
i remember my first ride in a 2009 maseroti grandsport. it did 100mph in under 4 seconds. never forget it back then. my friend with a missing right hand was the driver!
I think you are getting a lot of inductive crosstalk, and at some point when you're under power and generating high amounts of current that inductive gain is causing you to get bad signal. So two things first Affair day cage around where the crank sensor is doesn't have to be anything fancy just some grounded metal which is enclosing that area. So I can make sure that the wires you're using are shielded and grounded.
I work in it, and sometimes we have problems with signal because of cable runs being too close to other power lines or other lines carrying current causing induction. So for critical data lines we will use shielded and grounded cable.
I would at least try that, it's an inexpensive thing to try.
True shielded cable has shielding on each pair of wire, a shield around the bundle, and are terminated to patch panels & jacks with a ground. They also have a current "drain" wire which connects to the shielding and which peels off from the connector to be separately grounded.
Good shielded wire allows you to run through very noisy electrical environments and get clean signal.
I don't know that's what your problem is, but that's where I would start personally. Some kind of grounded metal cage which you fit around the crank sensor, and a high quality shielded cable which is also grounded.
If it doesn't work, my apologies that's my best suggestion given I'm not a car guy I'm an IT person but so much of this is computer controlled anyway. I don't think it would hurt to have grounded shielded spark plug wires, and to at least run your other lines through a braided stainless steel sleeve, which is also grounded.
You are in true Halo race car territory now so the expense of using high quality wiring harnesses which are shielded and grounded should be trivial in the face of the other expenses.
he needs a usb oscilliscope. maybe a few. and someone who can use them. im thinking backyard scientist might be a good collab.
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Finally back to drag racing content
I miss the fab work and repair work. The racing content is awesome but I miss the building portion of the content.
Send the computer back to Holley to get tested, could be something internal
Maybe try a shielded earth wrap around the crank signal to try stop interference, Toyota use it on their landcruiser on crank and cam pos sensors
VERIFY YOUR CRANKSHAFT THRUST!!
What you have going on is a tell tale sign of the crankshaft moving under load and interrupting the signal. Might be the problem, might not. Worth checking. I’ve dealt with plenty of engines that had good oil pressure and thrust issues at the same time.
How would you check that?
@@martindinner3621 You have to disassemble the engine and use shims on the crankshaft I believe. Never done it, just watched.
@@martindinner3621 the quick and dirty way is to set up a dial indicator on the crankshaft and use a pry bar to move it forward and back and see how much it moves. If it’s out of spec, You got problems in the shortblock. This often happens when a converter “balloons” in a high Hp setup. This being a rear trans vette, the situation may be different. Worth double checking though.
Here's my theory as a technician. I think you have a crank not balanced correctly or has bent! Hence why the cylinder are low compression
Zack's reaction was by far the best part of the video, give that dude some more seat time
I use Belden shielded cable for all of my sensors to prevent noise... works for me. Holley makes some too.
Would the brake not working have something to do with the two cones you ran over? 😅😂
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you can tell zacks reaction was 100% authentic lmao great stuff right there
Something shorted out or needs another computer if im right you have to give me 1000$ cash
It's either a wiring issue or a faulty Holley system. Wiring is always a gremlin chase.
definitely if you don't seem to ever use the right tool for the job (a scope)
Cleetus Holding It Down For All The Mustangs Losing Traction Around The World 😂🔥👌
Guess that means it’s time to work on the FF jet boat course!! :)
OMG I never considered this. They have that huge back lot.
Ruby is upset. Mullet came into the picture and she was pushed to the side... She's upset and need the attention she needs.
Always a good day when cleeter uploads
Hell yeah brother loving what you're doing and supporting the industries of drag, drift and racing in general!! Spreading love from the other side of the pond brother
Something to consider with Rubys crank position sensor might be similar to an “induced voltage” problem. Where depending on the type of wave signal the crank sensor is sending ( inductive vs hall effect ) a distortion of the signal could be being created from a separate source as power ramps up. Isolating the sensor wire from the harness might be the best bet.
Side thought Im not sure were exactly Rubys wiring harness enters the firewall, but a bad pin in our bulkhead connection port once cause us to chase our tails cause we never considered it, we had checked the wiring connection at the bulkhead port several times. But it wasnt until we were ready to rip out the harness and start fresh that we pull the port apart and saw the damaged pin.
3:00 instead of moving the whole switch, just put a cool red flip up cover over it!
Swap the ecu with Leroy’s and see if the problem follows
I think it's the heat of the exhaust cooking the crank signal. Once it get to hot it falls out try a wrapping the exhaust and the problem should go away. That's the only thing you have not changed that would explain why it works when the engine is cold it works fine then when you start driving and getting heat in the engine it falls out.
Drifting's not quite as boring as Boats, but it's pretty close!
Sounds like it's time for a race spec harness for ruby
It's the 12 magnet exducer on the crank signal. The holly won't run right with it. He needs to switch ruby to the 4 magnet version!
@@codylapoint I think @stevemorrisracing just talked about something like this in a video not to long ago but it was something different between Holly and Fuel tech needed ??
@@doublebulbing Yeah it was the Holly and another brand which I can't recall. If the different reluctor wheels are paired with the wrong ecm it won't read the rpm signal properly.
You need to do reaction videos in RUBY or MULLET in Mexico similar to this video
Let's go!!!!
seems like the same issue phantom was having with shop truck
Clet, I would say swap out the ECU fully, see if that changes things, may be a bad unit with a bad trace or a chip going bad (chip paths can fail)
Finally some drag car content!!! 👍
zacs reaction to ruby is what we all live for
Zack, you had me laughing soo hard over your ride alone reaction 🤣 . Thank you for that ! Best reaction YET !!! 💯🇺🇲🤠👍
o fast untill pop = duh bruh lol. be safe man!!!
Watch it be a loose ground strap this whole time
Hate to say this but… watching you drive the drift stang is like when Richard Hammond drove the F1 car.
Loved hearing Zacks reaction to Ruby! It would be so cool to grab the reactions of others who haven’t experienced that kind of power either. Would make for a cool video!
Is the crank walking and the sensor becoming misaligned?
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Ok so we had small block on Holley with crank sensor on front reading off msd crank wheel we had problems with losing crank signal for months in the end we had the bottom end balanced and thrust set a little tighter then normal solved all our issues engine build said it could have been from vibration interference or crank walking forward and backward to much hope this helps
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I understand how it goes brother that's how it is in the race car life and I love my 99 Ford Ranger 3.0 V6 it's got crazy amounts of torque for what it is and for a work truck work on cars and all parts it does amazing job I'll say redo in Ruby with a new combination setup same Turbo but little bit bigger engine
2:55 That's what happens when u let a giraffe drive a drift car 😅👍
Is it heat from the hot side causing a resistance spike in the wiring? Or the sensor itself? Was thinking Ruby seems to have more exhausting around that area of the block.
Dude, is that REZZ? 4:36 it looks just like her wtf.
Who's REZZ ?
Man tough luck with Ruby hope you guys figure it out
Zach’s (Zack?) reaction and Cleet’s realization it was his first time had me smiling ear to ear. Wish he had a face cam
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2:33 I would totally be moving those switches. ASAP
This was the first video of yours I've seen. I heard of you from STL Nik . Can't wait for the next one
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Lmao Zack is right should of had the camera on him 😂 but hope you guys figure out Ruby and still a get video also I think Zack should ride with on a drag pass so he can feel his work!! 🤭 💪🤠🤘
had a mate who's bike would just cut out intermittently. after weeks of looking trying, testing it turned out to be a crappy fuse holder! point is it could be a dodgy wire on a connector, not a sensor problem.