Vocal Coach REACTS: Jinjer 'Pisces'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Jinjer live reaction as Tatiana Shmaylyuk performs Pisces live in studio
Jinjer is a Ukrainian heavy metal band from Donetsk. Jinjer was originally formed in 2009 by Maksym Fatullaiev, Dmitriy Oksen, and Vyacheslav Okhrimenko.
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I love how "Vocal coach reacts to "Pisces" by Jinjer" has basically become its own subgenre.
The wait....what tf moment is always priceless....nobody sees tati coming
You sir are absolutely right.
Pretty sure I get a suggestion every time a new one is uploaded lmao
And it *never grows old* - it is so good :D
Yeah, they tend to have the most to say, and they pick up on little details that regular people miss, like the lack of visible tendons in her neck to show she's not straining herself. Also, as in this video, they never wonder if it's really her or not like other people often do. Vocal coaches always know it really is her voice, and they know how she's doing it, but it still shocks them and blows them away even more because they understand how difficult it is to do that.
“_______ Reacts to Jinjer” is my favorite genre of YT video.
Good. Now try Dimash.
Watching these since 2 years, added up with Nightwish's "Ghost Love Score"
Same
@@AxTrash Yep, the two of them combined are worth YT's monthly traffic :D
“GREAT BOWLS OF BROCCOLI” just became a favorite exclamation, so thanks for that
Damn you've got two popular comments on this video 👏👏👏👏
Don’t forget, “Tolstoi’s Tonsils!” 😂😂
@@skepto-o-punk8286 or sweet angina!
I concur.
1:32 "A little bit of vocal fry"
Buckle up buckaroo.
Right before he said that he said he’s heard from her before🤔
@@Groovysmokes23 he watched Perennial live before this
Like most people here, I've probably watched at least a hundred reactions to Pisces. And this is the ONLY person who complains about Tatiana touching the mic, LMAO.
This session was a result of them doing a re-recording of this song, after finding out that it sounds very differently with their new and still current drummer Vlad. So it was kinda made to show off his skills. And yes, Eugene on the bass is a beast! The entire band is immensely talented.
It's almost a shame because everybody gets so fixated on Tatiana with her change ups and it distracts from the rest of the performance on this song and how good they all all
@deathsicon
Once you get past the first initial shock and go back to finally listen, you won’t miss all the nuances at that point if you value such.
I remember my first time hearing Jinjer, and I feel like a lot of the focus on Tatiana comes from the focus of a lot of pop artists on the vocals. It was my second time listening through Pisces that I really listened to the instrumental parts and I just went "WOOOOOOOW", which of course was my initial reaction to Tatiana as well 😂
Agreed all of them are super talented. The control she has over her voice and switching gears is incredible. Vlad is a monster on drums and finally made the band perfect and solid all around, no weak spots imo.
Best thing they did was add Vlad. Dude adds so much to their songs it’s incredible. That whole bad is incredibly talented.
Imagine if this song had been your introduction to her voice, and you had no idea about what was going to happen in the chorus. The shock factor is what makes this song the most popular for introducing Jinjer to reactors.
His reaction was still pretty much what we wanted. Thank God.
Pisces is my go-to song when i want to introduce people to Jinjer xD
And they tend to like it afterwards too
Watching a reaction video was my intro to Jinjer. Yeah, the surprise is awesome and I started listening to Jinjer ever since.
The vocal ambush is epic in Pisces 😂
R.Gray my friend introduced me to them today with the music video, I was very surprised and pleasantly shocked😂😂 I was not at all expecting that sound to come out!
Dear lord you seem so innocent and wholesome, but more so, competent and knowledgeable. I appreciate the time and effort of translating (layman-izing) some musical terms for those us less well versed.
Hope you keep on with exploring such an amazing genre.
It's a sound and technique she's developed after about 15 years of practice and approximately 150 to 200 shows a year for the last several years. She definitely worked hard for it.
That Mic in particular is a dynamic mic and therefore less prone to those sort of artifacts that Condenser Mics often exhibit.
The noise would have still gone through, and she was aggressively cupping the mic at one point as well. It's standard practice to record a separate take for the video, and with everyone being perfectly on time it's impossible to tell.
@@SteelSkin667 cupping the mic is kinda standard for metal vocalist to much disdain of audio engeneers
Electro Voice RE20. Get one. Put it to the test. And in metal, a little off-axis noise is just more sugar in the tea.
Your awesome Ken.
Definitely good advice on people not just trying out what she does. She trained alot to learn how to do that without destroying her voice. It's not something you just do.
@mike d Yes, there are effects used in this specific performance but please dont try to explain this type of singing as a simple effect. There are coutless people, male and female, that have done this before. Saying its an effect is disrespecting the hard work and talent you need to sing like this...
@mike d 'Just really stupid or a troll' round ? (Kinda lost count)
I could just do it. I listen to a lot of Opeth. I'm no Mikael Akerfeldt but I never really practiced and I like to think it's pretty passable for a decent gutteral.
@mike d thanks for clarifying. ;)
@mike d Who do you think you are Mr. Keyboard warrior?
I was waiting so much for this reaction... Love it!
OMG, I was waiting for this!!!
You should react to Jinjer- Teacher, Teacher. It´s an amazing song!!
Nice genuine reaction. Another great band with a dynamic female vocalist is Spiritbox. Check out the video of Courtney doing a live vocal take of rule of nines- she slays.
Please do Jinjer - Perennial live. She is amazing
already done
loved the reaction
It's time for Nightwish - Ghost Love Score (Live at Wacken 2013)
YES
Yessss!!! This needs more upvotes
Nightwish yes yes 😂😂
Yes
Nightwish! Nightwish! NIGHTWISH!!!
Gotta see you do Demolisher by Slaughter to Prevail. There is quite the surprise at the end ;)
Yes please!!!
agreed
I told him the same thing on Instagram hopefully he see it and does it.
Should give Courtney LaPlante a listen, she has a couple of no cut, one shot live vocal sessions, the band is “Spiritbox”, fairly unknown and incredibly talented!
I preferred iwrestledabearonce personally but yeah she's a great vocalist
Fun fact, Ken - this video was actually made to showcase their new drummer. Tati kinda stole the show.
2:52 Tatiana: I touch the microphone as much as I want!
The producer who told her not to touch the mic in studio had his heart ripped out of his chest and devoured at the end of this session. LOL.
Don't know why I love woman that can growl, But l do. Angela Gossow being my favorite.
You should check out UNLEASH THE ARCHERS, a Canadian metal band also with female vocals, but very different from Jinjer. Songs "Tonight we ride", "Northwest passage" and "Awakening" are great ones to start!
Awakening first. Tonight We Ride, for a vocal coach channel is a bad choice. We metalheads understand why she does that song that way, but no. Abyss and General of the Dark Army will work better.
Luis Nunes What makes you think a classically trained vocalist/teacher wouldn’t understand why a vocalist chooses to sing that way? If he can handle Pisces, he can handle Tonight We Ride.
@@Bragituba Because Britney gets a bit pitchy on those high notes. Between us, it's all right, it's the singer of a new band pushing her limits. Save it for metal channels is what I'm saying.
Luis Nunes A little pitchiness is fine, even from a classical standpoint (M.M. in tuba performance, myself). Having someone that understands the mechanics of producing a vocal tone explain the pros and cons of a certain approach should always be a welcome thing. Yes, of course that song came out 5 years ago, and Brittany has evolved since then, but that doesn’t mean there’s no merit in hearing a vocal coaches take on them. It could be quite valuable from a pedagogical standpoint.
@@Bragituba Still, you see why I'd rather lead with something else?
That "sound" is a false chord scream. I can do that as well. Took me approximately 2 months to learn to get the tone, but probably 3-4 years to get it down well enough (and safe enough to not hurt myself) to perform. 15 years of doing this and I do not have any damage to my voice. I'm glad you noticed the complete lack of tension because thats the trick most vocal teachers get wrong. It is ZERO tension and completely "voiceless". The sound is entirely made by relaxing and holding your vocal cords open and the folds above your vocal chords flapping about, then ultimately just shaped into words by your mouth. If you use any of your voice or throat, it WILL hurt you. I learned from experience that if you feel it or feel tired or strained, you're doing it wrong.
Ken is one of the few vocal coaches reacting to her that does not look like he is about to lose control of his waste management systems.
He already saw Perennial
Yet
On a side note, their bassist is a beast
Whitney Houston 'This Day' (live from this is my life special 1992) LINK:th-cam.com/video/bflUJjH-puo/w-d-xo.html
This isn't studio recording, this is live session in studio (think practice for live shows), hanlding the mic isn't problem here.
You being a vocal coach. You must react to beggers dance by jinjer.
...the video would be the same length as the video...
Tatiana has been singing in 8 different bands since she was 15 years old. She was born in 1987, the year of Rabbit (or Cat) according to Chinese horoscope. Her zodiac sign is PISCES. As a matter of fact she has written these lyrics to tell about a Pisces personality, and reveals the traits of character of a person under this sign. Great lyrics!
Next Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness live in Kiev. Best performance.
Next need to check out Nightwish, Ghost Love Score Live with Floor Jansen
But please make sure it's the Wacken version not the Buenos Aires version.
Nightwish is really missing
We’ve been requesting that for weeks now :( I hope he sees the requests.
I was wandering why he hasn’t done this yet!?
Or try Storytime. That's a good starting point too
you might want to check out blessed be by spiritbox
Great reaction. You should really check out the video Jinjer just released of Tatiana doing one take performance of Judgement and Punishment. You’ll love it. Thanks for great videos.
Ok coach! You get that mic of Tatiana... Id rather steal my pitbulls bloody oxenbones! (just saying, my dog dont speak to satan! Good luck!)
I think it's funny and interesting that her growl was inspired by her musical interest in Maria Brinks and Otep Shamaya, but she's made it her own and is becoming a metal goddess in her own right.
REQUEST!!! - Slaughter to prevail - Demolisher !!!!!!
After Rebecca did it i kinda wanna see more vocal coaches react to aerials by system of a down
i have many qustions in the field of screaming. i can make the tones easily. as i sing, it feels like a lower point in my throat. but their not very loud, about the same volume as talking normally. i dont know if thats good or bad, ive just never pushed the issue. i also drink and smoke, as you mentioned with her. i dont think that has anything to do with it, as i knew how to do this prior to smoking or drinking, its just fun to sing along like a boss. lol
Maybe you can react to "Deliverance" by "Opeth" a song who needs more than an audience who spected for any metal song about to destroy something or simply try to make the same music what we are listening to. A great hug from Chile👏
Ha! It's Time to Blessed Me by Spiritbox :)
Alright boys he's reacted to Pisces... time for Demolisher (By Slaughter to Prevail)
And girls...(why do people assume women don't listen to metal?)
YES
@@Blasto2x This problem exists in horror as well. Everyone assumes women don't like horror. Meanwhile, my wife is working on finishing up an entire leg sleeve of b&w horror portraits.
Blasto2x no one is assuming. Most of the time people don’t literally mean “boys,” they just mean people. It’s not a gender thing, at least personally.
Blasto2x it’s kind of how Californians will call everything and anything dude. It’s not a gender thing just an expression
It could be interesting seeing a vocal coach trying this kind of technique, isn't it? ;)
if you watch judgement and punishment you can see how relaxed her face and neck are. also she looks gorgeous. the main verse is a ragaae verse btw so her vocals will catch you off guard
Appreciated the comment on not touching the mic! My brother is a mix engineer, and man has he DRILLED this into my brain over the years regarding my own singing. I get so frustratingly distracted when I see it. Fortunately, Tatiana is still amaaaaazing. ;-)
A “live” recording is not the same animal as you isolated in a sound-proof booth.
She also said she wouldn't recommend her scream technique because she doesn't know if it's safe for others.
When I do it I crunch my abs as hard as I can to take pressure off my vocal chords. Also don't know if that's legit, but it helps.
i don't quite know what you're talking about, but you obviously don't want to use your vocal chords at all, and what you wanna squeeze is your solar plexus, so you should be using your upper abs. you should also squeeze some muscles in your throat, depending on what technique you want to do.
I'm gonna add my voice to the: Nightwish, Ghost Love Score at Wacken 2013
She taught herself to produce the growl solely from her diaphragm, completely avoiding her false chords. One of the big reasons it is so easy for her to switch between melodic and growl so effortlessly.
Ummm... no. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Tatiana's growl is 100% produced by her false cords (vestibular folds).
The 'diaphragm' is merely a muscle that causes your lungs to draw or expel air. You can't actually produce any sounds with your diaphragm. I assume you've misunderstood all those vocal coaches who talk about "singing from the diaphragm". They are talking about proper air management, not actual sound production.
@@Mr.Ekshin I understand what you said. I just repeated what Tati said in an interview. In another interview with an opera singer, she was asked about the technical side of creating her growls, and she admitted she doesn't know the specifics of how it all works. Just that it works for her.
@@Pecos1 - She never said she growled "solely from her diaphragm, completely avoiding her false chords". She may have answered that it comes from her diaphragm (all singing, speaking and breathing starts with muscular control of the lungs).
@@Mr.Ekshin I concede I may have misunderstood. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. She spoke about how her growls and screams come from different parts, that her screams come from her throat whereas her growls came from deeper, and that she used her diaphragm more when making the growls. Again, I admit I may have misunderstood, and she may have just been trying to describe as best as she understands it.
I was lucky to see them live right before the pandemic started 😍 Just one word to describe their concert: superb!
Not trying to take away from this, but there's a lot of layering going on with her vocals (you have to listen pretty close, but it's there). While It's absolutely awesome, it's not quite as live as you would think. You couldn't really get such a clear sound through multiple mics in the same room, because the sound from all the instruments would bleed into the surrounding microphones, causing the engineers to go insane trying to mix everything. So, while the video portion is very much live, the audio is likely individually tracked as per usual with recording sessions. I'm glad you brought up the fact that she was handling the microphone, too, as it makes more of a case to this point. Still an amazing video and I absolutely love Jinjer, just a bit of trickery on Napalm's part.
Don’t hold the mic..... Hold my beer...
It’s time for Spiritbox Holy Roller or to ease into it you can do Rule of Nines the studio one take of the vocals.
I love your appreciation and excitement for all genres of music. It makes me smile so big. Thank you! ❤️
You love how they incorporated their drummer. They did this video to really show off their new drummer who put his spin on the original take to this song. He made it sound SOO much better than the original recording. The dude is a beast of percussionist!
Watching Ken react to Jinger is like watching a loaf of fluffy white Wonder bread react to a bowl of granola steeped in Jack Daniels.
Highly recommend "Who is going to be the One" live performance - she goes very very low!
Владимир Мацкевич yesssss, that one’s my favourite 👌🏻👌🏻
Some other Rectionee said something like "She has the biggest balls in the room" :)
There is a lot of editing on this. That said, the recording schedule for their latest album was very compressed due to also doing 152 shows on several continents that year, and Eugene says she improvised most of the vocal compositions with very few takes. Tati's evaluation was less charitable, saying "I wasn't prepared" haha. She is very talented, but there's a lot of years of work that went into making the most of that talent, including 4 years practicing growls before starting to use them in performances. All told she's been performing in various bands over half her life, since she was 15.
you talking about Macro or KoE?
I don’t know if you know KYO from the band DIR EN GREY, he’s really awesome.
“Diabolos” you must hear it.
You reactors that show your initial reaction in first few seconds... STOP IT !
Many do, and I skip right over them.
Play the song, and THEN REACT !
If you like Jinjer then you should check out Opeth. Start with the song Reverie/Harlequin Forest 👍
Don't do that Tatiana
Ok how bout this.......AHHHHHHHHHH
It’s official. I have a new hobby. Watching vocal coaches and normies react to Jinjer
Tatiana is fuckin amazing
spoils reaction in first second, :-(
It´s time to listen and watch the greatest rock band of all times and meet Robert Plant.
Led Zeppelin - Since i´ve been loving you, 1973 (Madison Square garden).
yes yes yes!
Ok I requested this on another vid...but just found it lol
To really throw yourself for a loop, check out Beggar's Dance. It sounds almost nothing like their normal music.
One of my favorite songs
There is a band called The Agonist which was founded 5 years before Jinjer. They have a similar style. The original singer Alissa White-Gluz is now with Arch Enemy and there for cant show her full skill set. I would recomend Panophobia if you need a video, otherwhise Ideomotor (8min Version). And if you are hooked check the new lineup too. The go to songs here would be In Vertigo or Blood as my Guide (there is a clean greek part in it, i now undrstand the sirens myth) 😜
Has he done Devin Townsend Kingdom yet? That haaaas to be next if not!
Great one! And it has to be the performance for EMGtv
@@thomazpacifico5850 hands down, only real one. I should have mentioned, good call!
LOL Prescient! He just did it!
classic 😂
you gotta check out some opeth!! The moor??
& nah man, I've been doing harsh vocals since I was like 15 haha. Or tried anyways, once you get it I don't think it's hard. It's actually easier than singing clean
Great review, love your excitement. All other vocal coach reviews I've seen reacting to Jinjer have said that Tatiana isn't even trying. No strain whatsoever. She's incredible.
in this moment - prayer - has the same variation of female clean/growling vocals.
Always gives me a smile when anyone spots the musically erudite composition & performance from Eugene on bass- I'm a hobby bassist myself, & he sickens me!! LOL
All 4 of them are outstanding at what they do tho. They are one of those rare multiple-lightning-strikes bands. I mean, how many metal drummers are classically trained pianists who can also be convincing on guitar & bass, never mind anything else?! :)
Great balls of Brocolli😀
I'm SO glad you mentioned the bass player! I too know nothing about him, and I blame that on sheer laziness on my part, to not do the research. However, once you dissect this song, it's really hard to find the superstar. Unfortunately, the anomaly of Tatiana's vocal prowess often overshadows the tallent of the rest of the group.
Time for some Nightwish, enjoy your journey.
I think Tatian can do anything she wants with the mic... She's a goddess : )
And she’s cute
Great reaction, thanks for all the info 👍 can you please react to Nightwish, with Ghost Love Score live at Wacken 2013
It is easy to hear several vocal layers on the harsh parts. The fact that she can handle the mic without problem indicates that the level of compression used is through the roof.
Great reaction! Please, check out the band Avatar, the singer (Johannes Eckerstrom) has a real interesting voice, I recommend you react to the song A statue of the king or Bloody angel. :D
Her hair in this one so gorgeous.
Yeah, I kind of like it shorter like this - -and usually never say that.
Of all the different looks she’s given us, I like this look on Tati the best. As always - beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Good to come home and see this on my TH-cam Homepage lol. If your looking for another good Jinjer song I Speak Astronomy is my new favorite song and the music video is a sight to behold. Thanks for the reaction!
Would love to see your reaction to Unleash The Archers - Awakening
You've just hit 2 of my top 5 reactions songs, this and Kingdom. Now I have to ask for BabyMetal: Rondo of Nightmare with Mischeifs of God intro.
She gets briefly possessed by demons and then by angels! Her voice is simply awesome.
soooo she's basically Brian Johnson apparently he doesn't really need to warm up either since he's smoked packs a day of cigarettes and would drink daily
Glad you enjoyed it! Always excited to see you react to Jinjer, I'm eagerly waiting for the next one!
Check out the band Spiritbox! Their song "Blessed Be" is a good song to start with! I'd definitely love to see a reaction to this band.
Dear Mr. Wholesome, i really enjoy your reaction/criticism videos on bands like Tool and Jinjer, and although this is a request not on a band, but on a cover by a singer, i would highly recommend you to check out "a perfect circle - passive (vocal cover)" by "Hungry Covers", because the emotional drive i felt when i first listened to it was one of a kind, and I'd be glad to share the same powerful feeling with an amazingly honest person such as yourself :).
It would be great to see your reaction on that one^^
P.s. to know more about the singer he has more covers and a band "Hungry Lights".
Thank you for your time:)
Check out Spiritbox! Another heavy metal female vocalist!
Awesome reaction to a really talented band. Very entertaining commentary on some technical aspects of her singing. Try "Retrospection", deep meaning song with great lyrics and vocals in english and russian or do another live one, "Who´s Gonna Be The One" live is a good start.
Wow another original reaction video from a super original metal band with a female lead singer 🤦♂️...
You did it wrong order.
First Pisces for shock reaction, THEN further jinjer videos :D
Spiritbox - Blessed Be and/or Holy Roller
She's grabbing onto the mic because this is also a performance. If it was an actual "take" recording, she'd be singing into a screen and not holding onto anything but her sanity. I assume this was mixed into other takes and multi-tracking - like her vocals and second guitar parts. Still live, but a combination mix.
I just find it a bit disappointing that she doesnt do 7:58 live. She stays on that scream/growl if on a concert :-(
After seemingly being on tour solidly for three years, and Pisces becoming an encore, rather than an early song, it's probably less risk of strain.
Does anyone keep a running list of Lavigneisms? Between Ken and Ron Burgandy I have enough exclamations to not repeat myself for months at a time.
oh man,you missed the best songs...i speak astronomy, judgement and punishment VOCAL ONTAKE... i like your stuff...where is this subbutton...ah...here :)
See Romantic Poets and Jinjer's _Pisces__ Meaning, Duality, and the Human Tragedy