Numa Compact 2x FULL REVIEW
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One thing you're not mentioning, one more awesome thing for gig players, a practical feature :
The keyboard needs to be powered to use the built-in speakers, but if you play through a PA, the computer works as power supplier via USB.
Which means, from smallest rehearsals to bigger gigs you only need:
-your Numa
- sustain pedal
-a usb cable
-laptop
Hey Thomas! Thanks for watching! I do actually talk about this as being one of my favourite features of the board! At around 10:35! :) that and the fact that it’s so lightweight makes it really awesome!
Your favorite feature ROCKS! - At a gig, the MD wanted Korg Camera Strings - so I got the USB A - lightning adaptor ("the camera kit") plug, and connected my iPhone (8 or 12) to the USB on the Numa .
It carried MIDI from the Numa to the phone (Korg Module has a Camera Strings patch) AND it sent the audio from the Phone to the Numa - so it was just one stereo output to the PA! a little velcro, and- yeah! Spot On! - (PS I layered the Phone's Korg Camera Strings with Woodwinds (Jazz Flute and Oboe, layered) from the internal Numa sounds, and Wow!)
Cool, I didn’t know the kit could do MIDI & audio simultaneously
For anyone having the firmware update issue on a mac, i was able to fix it by going to audio midi settings(the app), open the "window" menu, it has a "show midi studio" option. Unplug the numa, and select and remove the numa from the midi studio(click the"-" button). Then on reconnecting it updated just fine.
Nice one! Thanks for sharing!
Several really good points in the review...thanks for that!!
No worries! Glad it was useful!
Great keyboard, good review - thanks. Firmware update worked for me. I use mine a lot. Nice playing too.
Nice one! Thanks for watching and the feedback!
@@ChrisMutchJones Watching this video again. Enjoying your touch this time! Still using mine. I picked up a Hammond XK-3c last summer for a tour, it sounds superb, but at times this cool Numa 2x matches it pretty close, and at 1/3 the weight.
I need a bit of help utilizing the Midi Zones (from an external controller - hard to get the program numbers right for me - I did try plugging Midi OUT into Midi IN (5pin) and that almost gave me a 4-layer Numa, but I thought I MIGHT have detected the ghost of a burning odor, so I quickly disconnected that! If they could build a Korg X50 into this, wow! But even carrying both of them around to a gig, is still 7 + 4 kg - miraculous!
Really handy video!
Can the internal sounds be muted when using the 2X as an audio interface, so that only the computer audio is heard from the keyboard’s jacks?
Can you share audio interface details please? Specifically:
What is the buffer size
What is the sample rate
What is the useable playable live latency?
Great review! I have this keyboard and I use it with my iPad pro and I tried doing the same set up in AUM and it doesn't work. It will only set one slider in volume control. This is a big bummer for me cause that was the biggest reason for me getting this board.
Hey nice demo!! I've read some people experienced some keys tringgering louder notes than the others.
Which makes me hesitant about buying this. Has anybody experienced this?
There is no mention of the astonishingly good synthesiser on this beast!
I must admit, I didn't really focus on the synth part at all! I was more interested in being able to route my MainStage sounds through it! Good point though! Thanks for watching!
Hello Chris !!! This keyboard looks amazing! I'm researching a lot about it but one thing I couldn't find about it is what type and brand is its internal audio interface. Do you have this information?
Congratulations on the video and thank you for the information!!! big hug!!
So it serves as an audio interface and you can program the drawbars to control software drawbars or software faders? That’s pretty valuable.
Absolutely, and it's not bulky either.
Hey man, I have a 2x and it had 1.04 firmware , and just like you said, transmission error appeared when I tried to update to 1.2. I was doing this with a Mac and then decided to try it with a PC before contacting Studiologic. And surprisingly everything ran perfectly under Win 10. It may have something todo with compatibility issues under Catalina.
Yeah I agree, good to know it worked on a PC though!!
Hi Chris, Thanks for your review... I'm also one of the big fans of this keyboard at the price level and features exposed. Can you please tell me the LapTop stand that you kept your MAC? Not the rear one.
That's a bit of a Jerry rig situation! The stand is made up of a monitor stand and the Konig & Meyer laptop rest! Thanks for watching!
@@ChrisMutchJones That's really nice stuff. space-saving. Thank You :)
great review. I have a question. Can I disable the onboard sounds and use vst plug-ins and sounds in computer? In other words, can I use it as a pure midi keyboard? thanks.
Yes indeed! That’s what I’m doing in the video! You can even send the sounds from your computer through the keyboard, to the speakers to preview your sounds!
1 Yes And 2 viceversa you can send internal sounds to the daw (exactly as a microphone) or 3 play computer sounds with the internal speakers
Piano tone is okay. Think this is actually mostly modelling.
thx
The new EP pack and Mellotron Pack are a really great improvement. I was unhappy with the factory Wurlitzer it came with and they really kicked up the quality on that. The pianos remain the weaker sound, but for the price it's got a lot packed in. The organs are great and the waterfall Keyes feel great. Where can you get solid Rhodes, Mellotron and Organ draw bars for that price? No where, and thats why I bought one. Their new German Grand Piano and Japanese Grand pack are both improvements on the concert Grand but they have work to do in that department. Honeslty I listen to Rhodes sounds put out by Yamaha and Roland and they feel a bit sanitized. I'm a big Rhodes fan and I would put their Rhodes up against models twice as expensive.
I went with one of these as a sort of Poundshop Norlectro and it's fine for most purposes. Imo, among the electric pianos the Wurly is quite acceptable whereas the Rhodes is wishy-washy and offers nothing when you dig in.
@ShireLad Really eh? Did you get the Mark II update? I found the factory MK I was a bit weaker but I thought the updated MK II was good. I have the Reface CP which has a great Rhodes, and I find the SL MK II to be nearly as good.
@@LiberLotus I have tried to upload the sound pack to get the Mkll but the Numa Manager wouldn't register my instrument, reading 'no device found'..
@@pierstheoneandonly ohhh crap. Any help from customer service?
@@LiberLotus No, asked for help but not a word. Maybe my Mac doesn't recognise it because it (the Mac) doesn't have the usb midi app installed. Will give it a go with a friend's pc.
Hey there - great review thanks! So I've joined a blues band (loving it) and been using my Yamaha CK88 (fully weighted keys, drawbars, decent organ sounds from the Reface YC); I love the CK, but this band has me playing 90% Hammond (which I love playing) and only the odd piano / EP song and while the sounds and functionality on the CK are great, the weighted keys are becoming a bit much for that much organ playing, so was considering selling the Yamaha and getting a Hammond SK1 (can't spend twice that on a new SKX Pro); the SK1 is a bit old, but still sounds fantastic, has some usable piano sounds, and I love the Fatar TP/8O waterfall keybed for organ (not the greatest for piano playing though).
Then I started watching reviews on the Numa 2X and now I'm wondering if this might be a better option as a "budget and lighter" replacement for my CK88, with an action that's more organ friendly but still usable for piano? Does this TP/9 keybed feel more piano like or more organ like? If the action is close enough to the TP/8O with the MIDI connectivity I could also look at getting that new Hammond M-Solo 49 key (same sound engine as the MK-4) and use the keybed on the Numa . . .
Sorry for the long winded question; i guess to sum it up: is the action a good choice for 90% organ, 10% piano?
Thanks!
I have been wrestling a while with things like this. Maybe going to a midi controller and also looking at the studiologic Numas. I see the new Numa se is coming out soon. I like the CK but the keys on the 61 are too skinny and playing organ on the 88 would be tiring as I’ve tried that one also. I have the Roland Juno DS 88 and love weighted keys for piano but wish I could find something similar to a nautilus 73 or pa5x keybed.
@Music4Life Update here! I did go ahead and get the Numa Compact 2X AND a Hammond M-Solo :) The Numa's semi-weighted action is actually perfect for me; it does have piano shaped keys, but they are totally light and smooth enough to play organ effectively; to be honest they're probably closer to a TP/8O organ feel than they are to a piano action. So playing piano expressively takes a little bit of time to get accustomed to it, but after having it a couple of weeks I'm totally used to it. The organ sounds and leslie themselves are fine (on par with the Yamaha CK); the M-Solo's are a whole world of difference better though (and they should be - same engine as the brand new MK-4). The keys on the M-Solo are synth style (I'm positive they are Fatar TP/9S (so the same action as the Numa's TP/9P only with diving board synth shaped keys) and it's fine for playing organ on. I can MIDI out from the Numa and trigger the sounds on the Hammond, except there is some extra initial touch sensor going on with the M-Solo that is super cool that the Numa clearly doesn't trigger when connected - and that's the sound of the tonewheels getting up to speed (at different rates; depends on your drawbars); it's cool and noticeable enough that I decided to just stick with playing the M-Solo itself.
As far as MIDI controllers, when I was first looking for an organ one - THEY DON'T EXIST! No one makes a waterfall key organ centric MIDI controller (which I find baffling). I've actually started a homemade organ MIDI controller project; I bought a Doepfer MKE kit along with a Fatar TP/8O keybed; works great (haven't tested that with the M-Solo yet) but if you google Doepfer MKE you can look into that as well.
@@islandtony5009 Wow! Cool I was also considering possibly making the midi controller I want. I’ve been looking a little into either making one from scratch with a diy kit or get a few cheap midi controllers and seeing what I could do with the parts from them. 😀 Possibly make myself a 73/76 key controller or a b3 style dual manual. I also see a way I could make portable bass pedals with a midi controller or keyboard. I’ve just got to figure out how to reroute or transpose individual midi notes. There are a couple of waterfall midi controllers out there but at $2K plus. Another thought was to take the key tops from a waterfall controller and transplant them to another. I’ve got a lot of ideas to test out also. Congrats on the rig! Thanks for the info.
Thank you for such a good review!
I would love to get one like this.
I’m often composing and really need to have this keyboard, love the way it sounds!
Greetings from Ukraine.
Thanks for watching! There's a link in the description to buy it if you want! Very cool to know there are people from Ukraine watching!!
I have an old fatar studio 900 which I have not played for long. Also I have no way anymore to generate sound with it as it is midi only.
Would this numa be a good combination in that it will accept the midi from the 900 and make sound from it.
Would love to combine them into a station and start playing again.
It should work in terms of midi but I’ve never actually used the fatar studio 900. If you go to your local music store they might be able to let you take one home as a demonstrater to test it out.
Do we have dedicated transpose buttons for transposing keys
Hey Samuel, no that’s a feature that’s embedded in the menu system. It can however be saved into patches!
Thanks for this awesome video! I just ordered mine. I wanted to make sure I understood correctly. If you connect this usb to a laptop, the audio from the laptop will come out the 1/4” outs of the numa compact?
Yes indeed! It's a cool little feature! Thanks for watching!
@@ChrisMutchJones Thanks so much this thing is a beast. can you make a video on how you assigned the faders to software? I'm using mainstage.
The electric pianos are the best
Hello.
I would like to know if, on the Numa Compact 2x, if I connect it to a computer via USB, all the controls, buttons, sliders (drawbars), knobs, etc., will send a midi signal to the computer to control VSTs.
Can all these controls be mapped with VSTs?
Thank you very much.
Can you transpose semitones up and down? Tnx
Yeah you can!
@@ChrisMutchJones thanks bro
Min 6:15 is a Master multiband compressor bro.
Yeah that’s what I figured
It’s quite a pity that the likes of Studiologic and even Kurzweil are using external power supplies (wall warts) for their flagship stage pianos. In the grand scheme of things, I’m sure a potential customer would opt to pay the extra $5-$10 to get a unit with one built into the keyboard.
Can any of the controls other than the drawbars be used to control midi in your DAW? Also, is it possible to use as controller without the USB connection, just MIDI in/out? Thanks for any info anyone has. Hoping to use with Ableton, not that it really matters.
From what I remember, not really. Yeah it had normal midi in and out. Hope that helps!
Thanks for the review!
No worries! Thanks for watching!
As a producer, pianist and allround performer with over 30 years of international experience I can honestly say this is by far the worst piece of trash I have ever wasted my money on. I don't know where to begin. The hardware is toy like, the sounds average at best. If you think this has a great piano you've either never played a good ePiano or you're outright deaf. Go listen to a Korg or Roland of the same price range. It's like putting up a VW Beetle against an Audi R8. Thin samples all around.
Integration in a professional setup is so unstable that it's basically impossible. Multiple drivers (WHY?) which may or (more often) not connect, completmented by a buggy interface paired with absolutely zero effort or logic put into the interface development. This isn't limited to the software either. It's eg the only keyboard I have where the volume knob is on the right. Because if you need to adjust volume mid-song you'll use your right hand, right? Not a single thought was put into this.
The "compressor" is far from it's label "Mastering" LOL and offers the same sonic "quality" the "build your own VST" programming kits a few years ago offered. The same goes for the "EQ". This is the product of a bunch of fresh from uni
"programmers", not audiophiles and not musicians.
Shall I keep going? If you are a pianist using the pedal you'll run out of voices quickly. But unlike what you'd expect since all other units do this, the numa doesn't just cut off the earliest played voice. Instead you just get a few random note playing and cut out at any point in time on top. This is the unit telling you to let go of the pedal I suppose.
The keys of the unit are extremely short, yet the veolicity management doesn't address this. Inevitably you'll get odd loud notes where you don't want them.
Studiologic "Support" is useless, too.When confronted with actual, real-life integration issues can't solve they simply stop replying.
The entire unit is a bad joke. Would never buy again and I will never as much as look at any product by Studiologic. You're paying for a brand name here. Nothing more.
I agree so sick of this trash board I'm dumping it at Guitar Center later this morning just horrible
It seems that you are music producer of high standards so why do you use a $600 piece to feed your professional gear?
Of course the piano sounds need to be improved and some orchestral instruments are missing. On the other side, for an amateur like me who owns a Kawai MP11SE for playing Piano at home this keyboard is the perfect companion either to play Organ with an appropriate all around keyboard or playing for friends outside a variety of genres.
@@hungryformusik who says I feed my gear through this?
If this thing works for you, enjoy while it lasts 🤣
You've put your bad reviews on other videos as well. Are you a Roland representative?
Cant even find this in US anymore.
Aw man, that's annoying! Thanks for watching though!
Try here, Copy url and browse
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NumaCom2x--studiologic-numa-compact-2x-88-key-semi-weighted-keyboard-with-
aftertouch
As of yesterday, 3/15/21, there was one on Amazon so they are restocking.
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