"When you're facing somebody who's not committed to a fight but who's causing trouble" YES I love that explanation for when joint controls can be useful.
So it's only useful when you're bigger and stronger than your opponent (bouncers), and your opponent doesn't even want to fight or is in no state to fight (drunk guys). Aikido is a fakey-fake martial art -Jontron
Accurate. Bouncer for 3 years, and Aikido moves are useful for people who don't actually want to fight, which is almost everyone. It would be irresponsible to RNC everyone in the bar, or punch every trouble maker in the mouth. Also, Aikido is great at teaching you how to fall without hurting yourself, and how to coordinate your breathing with your motion which is essential in every combat sport.
people forget, the prime attribute of bouncers is that they are fookin huge. When you are huge that's half the work right there. A regular scrawny white collar man would not be able to make aikido work, merely due to physique
I smell 🐂 💩. No bouncer worth a damn would even joke about using aikido. Well maybe joke. But seriously considering it. Nah. It's not even effective in training halfvthe time if your timing is off.
@@Boomer289-ol2vv Unless you have good cardio or have done track, sprinting as options is kinda dumb if you can't out run them or let alone tire out easily. I recommend to improve cardio, know to how respond aggressive person, parkcour, how to fight, carry both lethal and non lethal weapon, understanding common violence, or knowing to avoid conflict.
Finally, someone giving a balanced and reasonable take on Aikido. Refreshing change from the MMA/BJJ bros who insist all traditional martials are useless.
Yeah, it's kinda obvious but it's easy to forget that all martials arts are a mix of martial training and well, art, you just have to choose what it's better for reachin your goals
In my experience it's only people on the Internet who talk this way, every mma gym I've gone to that works on groundwork and controlling opponents has agreed that some aspects of almost any martial art have practical uses.
It doesn't take much effort to find out what a scam Aikido is. I did one class out of curiosity. Only people over 40 attended. They were all very nice. At the time I did Muay Thai, so I knew what I was doing. The sensei showed me a basic move, I asked what if I do this and he basically showed how he would counter. I asked him how he would counter if I just punched. Straight up: we don't do that here for beginners. There isn't a fucking move against the most basic attack that a beginner could learn because someone could hurt themself.
My dad was night-shift cab driver for 20 years and swore by aikido. Apparently it was incredibly effective against drunks, crackheads and your average sloppy troublemaker. More importantly it could be used without sending the other guy to the hospital. Because any move that lands you jail is probably not a good one.
@@calicodavis1511 No it wasn't. When their were Ronin, masterless Samurai, a police force was created to combat this. ALL of the movements are designed to disarm a sword. The police used a weapon called a "jutte" . An ironbar with a sword catcher. Fyi. Look it up
@@ericanderer9199 "Look it up" Ok, I did - "The term Aikido was coined in the 20th century. Ueshiba developed aikido primarily during the late 1920s" as per John Stevens "Aikido: The Way of Harmony"
I had a book by the founder, his opening line of the book, was something to the effect of "your enemy is mad that he has no friends, Aikido is to guide him into the path of friendship" so your comment about facing people who are not committed is spot on.
why? because it isnt an ultra violent bome breaking brain damaging martial art that blood thirsty edge lords like you like to watch? get bent.@@rejuso
The main advantage of Aikido - and I am not being flippant or sarcastic - is that it's a great martial art for people who love martial arts, who want to practice martial arts recreationally, but who don't want to get hurt. It's good exercise for the man in the street, and it's something you can keep doing no matter how old you are. And the people who stick with Aikido tend not to be the volatile sort, so there is usually a friendly, non-competitive atmosphere. It's like practising any sort of sword fighting. Some people ask, "when are you going to get to use it?" Never, but that's not the point. The point is doing something you like to do.
I practice and teach sword (katana) as "part" of the martial art I do. Yes it's fun, but also teaches more about body movement and application. Less power, but body. It's about responding to an opponent's moves and exploiting small openings and weaknesses. Good skills to have in any martial grab bag, even unarmed. If you think dodging punches can be daunting, try a 3 foot razor blade
yeah, a lot moves you learn in martial arts aren't that useful unless you have god reflexes or ripped asf, yet people practice it bc it's fun to learn them. Some martial arts are better as a sport as they are as a self defense/fighting tool but that doesn't mean they are bad martial arts
Akido is a good complimentary martial art to someone that already has a solid unstanding of striking already. It makes up for the attacker that gets past the striking range.
Very true. The first thing they teach you in Aikido class is how to fall properly to avoid injury. The flying around does look ridiculous, but it is necessary so people's wrists don't snap or shoulders dislocate. I believe that beginners should not use Aikido for self defense, but long time practitioners understand the practical applications of the movement, like most martial arts.
@@professorrhyyt3689 Same here, I have never used Aikido for fighting but moving efficiently and taking falls without hurting myself has been very vital in my life
I agree on everything, except only half on the "just like every martial art" part. -> aikido is kind of an exception, where with a black belt you THINK you know how to fight, but you REALLY don't at all...!!
@@haitaelpastor976 you're missing the point completely. Aikido techniques can be useful, but the way aikido is tough without any sparring or any sort of pressure testing will just not prepare you for self defense situation. So you need to train other martial arts and then you could make use of some aikido techniques.
Strong?... Aikido is useful against opponents that are stronger or bigger than you. It's about redirecting their energy and balance. Twisting and letting their momentum carry one direction, then using technique to suddenly, even violently switching direction that if they're "compliant" will send them into a tumble, or if they're being difficult, will just break the wrist, arm and/or shoulder. Good body mechanics in Aikido
@@dimasakbar7668 something like that. It's similar to people thinking spy's are combat experts while not knowing anything. Just going of what they see on tv or in movies. Know zero about the real world or the job. Probably thinks Seagal is a real special agent too. It's incredible how little people use their brains for more then basic function.
Well, I'm 5'2 and done a few arts. Every actual fight I've been in, someone has grabbed me asserting their strength. With Aikido it has been their mistake. It has a place and it's not the best but bring other techniques over
Aikido is a super-specialized art that assumes that you already have an understanding of basic things like how to punch and kick. It's specialized in giving options that do not escalate to strikes.
@@michalviktorin6758 No, it isn't, and this a myth made up by the Aikido community to describe inconsistencies in the style. Aikido is specifically derived from Daito-ryu aiki-jiujitsu developed by Takeda Sokaku, it is a purely UNARMED style that Sokaku developed by going around and challenging other schools to unarmed combat. There was no fencing involved, or disarming people with swords, because it was illegal to actually own or carry a sword at the time, and this remained so for decades. This is what Ueshiba learned, and where Aikido comes from. Aikido is an unarmed grappling style, it wasn't designed to deal with swords, and it wasn't designed to be used with them either. This is something that was added later, it is not the basis of the style, and Daito-ryu was significantly altered from traditional Jiu-Jitsu forms that were actually intended to deal with potentially sword wielding opponents (where ground grappling was actually pretty important). It doesn't even make sense regarding combating an opponent with a sword and looks very little like traditional Japanese Jiu-Jitsu that was intended for battlefield combat and disarming an opponent when you lost your weapon...
It doesn't assume those things but you do actually need to have a solid basis in grappling before you start training it, otherwise you will build very bad habits and be unable to actually perform anything you learn on a live and resisting opponent. It wasn't designed for this, I'm pretty sure Ueshiba intended it to be effective for self-defence, and given he learned Daito-ryu aiki-jiujitsu from Takeda Sokaku, who was an absolute badass, he could probably actually fight. It's just the style degenerated over time due to various reasons.
@@AveSicarius You do not know what you are talking about, you are lost in information, so you have bad observation, because you are dogmatic. Your swordmanship is very low level, I can tell that without even seeing you.
@@AveSicarius 'the style degenerated over time due to various reasons' That got a slow blink from me. My brain literally went, on reading that: "That's different from pretty much every other classic martial art that is still widely taught, HOW, exactly?" Because let's face it, almost every martial art still being taught is taught more for show than for actual combat effectiveness. The very method of training for sport condition as opposed to combat weakens the style as those taught for sport age up and become the teacher. Most the current 'still effective' ones are actually revitalizations of an older style by more modern groups that had to bring it back up to combat capability, or foreign divergences of an older style that didn't get societally neutered the same way. Like, Brazilian Jiujitsu, as an example.
As someone who practiced aikido for multiple years I can say it's effective for at least 2 things: 1- Making you rewire your brain so you can have good enough reflexes to act when someone is about to grab you or when you're about to fall, dealing with it becomes second nature so in certain situations your body will just know what to do to at least help you, like dodging while controlling the opponent's wrist. 2- Understanding a bit of what it takes to imobilize someone, we all know that a real fight is ugly af but if you can at least understand where to hold someone to put them down that can be of help.
I would add another very important but often overlooked thing. Aikido teaches you a very effective method of breaking falls. I am not an aikidoka, I do Judo and Koryu Bujutsu, but I used breakfalls more than anything else I've learned in Budo.
I’ve always seen their techniques as Base level - locking up and like you said immobilizing a nuisance Survival level - using aforementioned locks and bends to such an aggressive degree that you just end up snapping an attackers wrist or something
The reflexes are the real deal, though. I was an inconsistent attendee when I did Aikido in my youth, but the falls and rolls are deeply ingrained. I've fallen multiple times from my bike or from tripping/slipping but I've never really injured myself from it, and it's solely because of Aikido.
@@kimonowolf This is so on point. I don't do traditional aikido, more like mix of aikido and BJJ. BUT the falls man. I once slipped on stairs and fell. All i had was a leg scratch. Falling on ice or concrete is not painful at all
Your last point is really good, my father in law was in law enforcement his whole life. He was a detective, on a tactical team, and then personal security for an ambassador. He learned aikido precisely for the reasons you said. He already knew how to fight, how to punch, kick, etc through basic Krav Maga which he learned as a tactical officer, but he wanted to learn a style for restraining someone rather than just fighting as it was useful for his job in personal protection. When I asked about it he openly said aikido is useless as a civilian defending themselves, but in law enforcement it works well for restraining someone with good joint control.
As a former practitioner of Judo, i can honestly say that the success of your move is a balance of how you execute it, and how experienced your opponent is. With that being said, fully using Aikido or any "one" martial art alone, will limit you. But, given your opponent is complacent, the appropriate move, i.e., an Aikido move, could be executed successfully.
I forgot who was it that explained Aikido this way, but they mentioned that they believed Aikido was only taught back then to people who already knew other forms of martial arts. It's a supplementary sort of art that does seem to have its uses, as evident by a guy called Rokas: otherwise known as Martial Arts Journey. He's doing a series where they're putting several big martial arts TH-camrs through a series of tests of self defense. In it, when Rokas engages in these tests, he apparently uses Aikido a bit despite now having primarily trained in BJJ and other arts.
Aikido is not as Usless, as many think. Just Imagine, why it was invented in this way. Samurai praticed it for the case, they lost the Sword in a Fight. You dont want to hardblock another Katana with your Body and suddenly those wide moves and wristcontroll makes more sense. You still have a disadvantage, no doubt, but better than nothing. It was never invented for a fistfight with other Martial Arts.
Finally someone who acknowledges the people flying around are simply breakfalling which you need to do to avoid having your wrist snapped. It’s not that they are thrown, but that they are throwing themselves to absorb the technique.
@@dionysianapollomarx I remember watching a video showing a Japanese policeman running away from some criminal. Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with Aikido? Asking this question for a friend.
@@watcherworld5873 How do you know the Japanese policemean was a student of aikido? They have the choice of studying aikido, judo, or kendo. If they're part of one of the more specialised units (eg. Tokyo Metropolitcan Riot Police) they have another 3 martial arts they can add on top for their training. Or would you rpefer that the policeman simply draw his revolver and shoot the criminal, ala the US? What's your actual point? Did you have one? Or was it just to post something that tried to shit on aikido but ended up just displaying your complete lack of knowledge about Japanese police?
@@iatsd Hmm, you got me thinking. Maybe that Japanese policeman was trained as a runner. So, he performed splendidly to de-escalated the situation by running away. BTW, I now remember that I watched that video on the Jimmy Kimmel show many years ago. It was hilarious.
Lets say you want to defend yourself, but you dont feel the need to hurt whoever is attacking you, just some simple submission until authorities arrive or until the attacker calms down and agrees to leave you alone.
Aikido, if you practice it properly with a master, helps you transform your mind. When one's mind is transformed, one's character is transformed and thus one's life is transformed. That's why you see a senior aikidoka ever participate in discussions about the practical use of demonstration of strength and aggressivity for effectively help yourself to solve your real life problems. Think about that, too. Seriously.
Aikido is great for family squabbles and things where you don't want to face a person at the next Thanksgiving with just one eye where you took out the other eye.
Uh, Ninjutsu is pretty much the biggest scam style out there so I'm not sure how true that is. It's basically rebranded "Jiu-Jitsu" which is basically rebranded Judo in the modern day world, if that, and it's largely spread because most people have no idea about Martial Art's. I've also heard plenty of people say that police and prison guards commonly learn Aikido. This doesn't seem to be the truth and most people I know who've worked in these professions or who know about them through mutual acquaintances say BJJ and Judo are usually the most popular styles. Especially because most metropolitan police forces and prison staff learn elements of Judo and BJJ during subject restraint courses. It also makes more sense than anything else, BJJ has big flaws when you are by yourself, but with backup to help you out, taking someone to the floor and maintaining control over them is the single best way to restain suspects or rowdy inmates.
The thing is Aikido is a supplementary martial art. Meaning that it should be learnt as an add-on to a “complete”martial art you are already trained in (For eg - Karate, Kungfu, JiuJitsu etc). Even the founder of Aikido was of the view that it should be learnt by those who are already adept in one complete martial art form or another
@@muhaiminakbar4472 well I'm only taking about everyone i personally knew back in my bouncing days who were actual bouncers and doormen. From Europe and England. We used to work for companies who train them you see. So they usually get specific training for their job. As do police and correction officers here. What they learn is very short and simple wrists and elbow locks. Funnily enough not a single one of them used aikido. Maybe a couple of them had had some aikido lessons or did aikido. Hell i had lessons in aikido. But you don't learn anything useful till you reach a very high level. In the beginning it's mainly sweeping throws that though beautiful, do not work in real life when people resist. It's not really something we can use. As aikido is far to complex and intricate. Perfect movement from both defender and attacker are hard if one of them isn't doing what you want you see. You need to make them do what you want. And some guy who knows basic kickboxing will not give you a full body committed attack. They strike and move back out. You have to go towards them. If your talking about using some of the joint locks, sure but they aren't specific to aikido. And can be found in pretty much every m.a. Most here were champion kickboxers, free fighters, boxers, wrestlers, judo guys, MMA fighters i even know a lot of penac silat guys and they know a ton of their own locks. In practice we only use about a handful of come alongs or restraining moves i could teach anyone in five minutes or less. Wrestlers and judo guys have the better background, as these days striking is not allowed, and knowing how to displace weight and put pressure by using your body to move a person is their bread and butter. Chucking people a la Seagull here would end your career quickly. Heads and concrete don't really like eachother much. One is harder then the other so one of them usually breaks. Depending on if it's an aikido believer or not. It's usually the head. Pushing people around like 'master tubbo" here doesn't work in real life when they are angry. It'll end up in lawsuits over broken bones. Controlled restraining and then moving them is the only way.
@@muhaiminakbar4472 and martial arts journey on yt was created by a guy who's aikido didn't work against MMA, which is why he started his martial arts journey to begin with. As most aikido practitioners learn quickly their art doesn't really have real world applicability. That's why he started looking into other stuff. This also goes for Silat and systema artists. That have tried their hand at it. They usually modify their styles to better suit actual combat. There are books written about this subject by American masters. Silat for the street comes to mind, wich was the last book i bought to read up on that style. That guy also figured out 90% of his style doesn't work against a trained opponent. So he wrote a book about what(in his opinion) would work. Let's just say i wish i hadn't bought this book. That's how much interesting stuff is in it.
A great take. Aikido is honestly something police would benefit so much from learning. I've also heard from many experienced martial artists that Aikido becomes better and better the more martial arts you know, especially more practical ones.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Well when someone is resisting yes, absolutely. What I mean is Aikido is great in cases where someone isn't going to fight back, compared to Judo throwing them to the ground or rolling around with them until they submit, those martial arts are probably better for them to learn overall. I just meant that Aikido is good because it can show you how to reasonably safely handle someone who isn't fighting back, compared to untrained officers hurting people and making them freak out because they're just shoving and grabbing.
@@wizardswine If they’re not resisting then you don’t need any special technique to handcuff them. When they are resisting, Judo/wrestling/BJJ are superior.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I neve argued they weren't superior, ofc Aikido can't compare to some of the most practical martial arts. And yes in some cases when people panic you do need a special technique, police accidentally injure people all the time by grappling them improperly.
@@wizardswine There’s nothing in the arsenal of aikido that can’t be done better with Judo or Wrestling. And you get the benefit of practicing on a live resisting opponent which is entirely missing from Aikido.
I've studied multiple martial arts. I also worked in bars, on and off, full and part-time, for 12 years. Aikido is a very useful martial art. In the 12 years I worked in bars I was in, literally, no hyperbole, no exaggeration, hundreds of bar fights in some of the roughest bars in my city. When you are trying to defend yourself and control your opponent, as opposed to just beating him up, Aikido is ideal. Furthermore, when dealing with armed and/or multiple opponents, I think it is the best martial art.
@@branlex1315 I lived this story. Unlike you, my martial arts experience is real, not solely from video games and what I've heard 3rd person on social media.
When I did Aikido for about a year, I was taught that Aikido will mostly only deal with people not ready to get hurt if that makes sense. If you get somebody that is ready to just football-tackle you into whatever is behind you and pummel the shit out of you, then you don't really have a chance only using Aikido since it's way too rigid. The Aiki-ken training was fun though, but that's sword training, which makes a bit of sense if you imagine it as a backup technique to disarm somebody swinging at you with a longer weapon if you've lost yours.
Shihan Giampietro Savegnago was claiming that he was able to deffend himself from 9 out of 10 attacks from behind... and no one saw that 1 out of 10. I saw him trowing a guy that was trying to "tackle" him from behind and he was holding his hands inside hakama pants all the time. On top he lost his leg in a bike accident and was one head smaller from avg. Aikdo student on this camp. I also saw him doing 3vs1 against guys that taking 15 guys in a pub without breaking a sweet and you could see them sweting in that 3 vs1. The only problem is that we are talking here about decades of training and massive talent on top of that. And i also noticed how the guy was training, he was fully dedicated to do in 100% with the most basic, most simple excercise that he was doing or showing when 99% of Aikdo students thinking only about learning and usingthe most advanced stuff. He also got zero problem in the middle of training go to some white belts and show him some complete basics stuff that a yelow belt could explein even better than him. Once we were training outside with a Jo and he was showing attack in 4 directions. I ignored everything and was only watching his feet, i was just curious how precise were his move -> he made 4 full attacks with Jo in 4 different directions and after the full circle his feet was in the same exact place to the point that i was not able to see position change and i was standing right next to him. Warming up, streaching in everything he was excelling... I also got the plesure to do few training with Steven Segal master, and to be honest this is the only two persons that i meet during many years of my Aikodo training that were giving you the Aikido vibe in everything what they were doing and saying... And in the same time i can tell you that on the first training with Segal master there was the highest Aikido Dan in my country and the guy was the exact oposite -> he literally was strugling with stuff that most Aikido students do not have problem to do after just half year of training... What Giampetro Savegnago was saying about Aikido someone can ask? That you can learn it but you never can say that you got it. And that guy could take anyone and show him that a)he is able to counter your technique and use your force against you and often he was doing it in the stage of technique where you were already sure that "you got him". b) do his technique on you that you could not realy tell how much force he was using and the effect of this very small guy was often stronger than what you would experience with experienced aikido master that is much taller and bigger than you... My brother in law saw how he trowed a 2+m tall guy -> twice his size. Training was on Judo mat(type that you can see on international official judo competitions) and the guy did not managed to land properly(he was a black belt) and he damaged his ankle...(and No, it was not intentional, Savegnago was always nice, smiling and the most open person in the Dojo).
Honestly most aikido shows are done specifically to be flashy. But my school is a bit different because we do teach strikes and kicks as well as the “classic throws” and joint manipulation. Aikido is strongest as a martial art learned after you already know another. Originally you were not allowed to train in aikido unless you had a black belt in another martial art. Fun fact of the day.
My running opinion is that whoever invented aikido was such a powerful, athletic, inhuman chad that he was able to effectively use aikido as it's own style, and everyone else who learned just wasn't up to that level
The fundamentals of Aikido, not the stuff you do with your hands but your posture, footwork, weight distribution, momentum and timing, always, always kept me on my feet when a bigger opponent was trying to take me down. Useful AF.
Oh yeah, an old friend of my father was a police officer and he did learn Aikido, not sure if it was through the police or not, but he did say it helped him... Have no idea how it helped him though, as far as I know it could have helped him lose weight.
I know a guy that was in SWAT and would use Aikido on the regular. Perfect for restraining people that are trying to get away from you when you just kicked down their door. It's the perfect art for law enforcement. Allows you to get the job done and avoid lawsuits from accidentally killing or maiming your perp.
I've been in aikido class and the truth is, it's more grounded than most people think. It's usually a grab, throw, and sometimes it even has reminiscence of judo. There is no magical twist here and flip sort of technique as far as I know.
Yes, the techniques do "work" and they work better when the other person holds you stronger. But it really only works if somebody is trying to grab you to prevent you from running away or if they are trying to grab you from behind to do a headlock.
@@notuxnobux Which is just enough most of the time because the ultimate goal of aikido is deescalating the situation before things go south. If the person is armed and ready to kill someone then yeah, it would be useless. So is any martials arts though.
I’d offer that it also has a lot of physiological and mental benefits due to the unique training it offers. I did my thesis on this topic, and was surprised at how many good things come from the study that has nothing to do with combat at all, and everything depending on your perspective. Thankful for the more positive take.
If you are police officer or normal security guard, you can’t just shoot that person who’s just causing trouble but not threading others life or beat that person with face punch and kick or use ground game of bJJ techniques. If you do overly use excessive force, you’d be in trouble. Aikido type of movements teach you how to control the opponent by not beating someone on the ring or fight. That’s like you are comparing teaser with actual gun. Look similar and used similar but their purpose is completely different.
Aikido is the way of harmony and peace, it's about defusing a situation without actually hurting people or doing less damage as possible, that is when Aikido flows. O' Sensei saw a lot of bloodshed (he was a Sarge) and became very religious/spiritual so he founded Aikido trying to adapt it to the peaceful era. However at first he taught Aikido only for those who already knew another art, so traditionally Aikido Dojos "skip" the punch and kicking part. I would also like to add that there's great Dojos out there that can teach you the roots of the techniques si basically you will be learning Aikido and Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu. Also, there's place and a moment for every martial art, but some people just can't see beyond the UFC.
Because it’s easier to double leg and RNC an attacker or belligerent than it is to do this fancy shit. People don’t see past the UFC because there is nothing past it for now.
@@sethwilliams8916 There is nothing past it regarding combat sports. As for self defense, well you don't necessarily need your typical MMA combination, a lot of other martial arts work, as long as you been taught the right way and you have a good mindset. But the truth is, you can get hurt regardless what you practice.
@@neotenylv09Amen.I once saw a comment in a martial arts magazine,where the writer said martial arts doesn’t make you invincible, but it does give you something to use.I thought that was sensible and accurate.
The main problem with Aikido is not the techniques, it's that they don't practice it against any kind of resistance making most users unable to use the techniques in an actual fight.
I personally like Hapkido. It equips you with striking, throwing, and other moves, but also gives you much of the same tools for seizure, restraint and control as aikido. It’s can be a useful tactic if approached with a number of other techniques.
I saw Steven Seagal working alongside American police officers, and he showed them some Akido moves.They had to tap out double quick.Apparently he felt they were too trusting, and too vulnerable in situations where a criminal may attack them and take their weapon.
A french aikido master Leo Tamaki is talking about the root of real traditional aikido, as a very lethal and super destructive martial art, that people used against superior opponents (like samouraï riding a horse and charging you with a spear) all the way down to japanese special forces and spies to kill potential opponents quickly and with excessive force. Nowadays, as you can't teach your students to sacrifice an arm or destroy a throat at each training, we're just getting a totally emptied aikido form, barely a delicate concept of what it was supposed to be. (Like playing with fireworks instead of bombing and napalming the battlefield) If that's true and the real roots of aikido, yeah,.we definitely arent understanding it or practicing it at all like it's supposed to. 😂😂
What you said was what I was originally going to comment.That the founder of Aikido originally taught a more deadly form of Aikido but after the second world war he promised to never teach that form again.,but a modified less harmful form.My thought was that he must have already taught soldiers the more deadly form and some of them may have opened schools and be teaching the more deadly form that I believe Steven Seagal may have referred to.
Aikido is useless. If you want to learn a grappling martial art to defend yourself, do Judo or BJJ. If you want to exercise go to a gym. If you want to "immerse" yourself in Japanese culture, learn the language and go to Japan. Giving people confidence but not realistic skills for a fight can be deadly.
If you wanna grab realistically you learn krav maga not bjj or judo those only work if the other person is moderately trained .-. You are just as dangerous as the ones you criticize
@@khareckless6769 There's a difference between a grab and grappling. Krav Maga is basically self-defense MMA. Read my first sentence again. I didn't say the best self-defense martial is Judo or BJJ. I said GRAPPLING martial art to defend. Meaning no punches or kicks. You can realistically achieve that with those 2. Not with Krav Maga.
@@TheHipClip And is there a difference betwen Judo inventor claiming that Aikido is a perfect Budo and a guy writing in internet comment section that "Aikido is usseless"? Best Ueshiba student was send to him by Judo inventor -> he got 6th Dan in Judo when he saw Ueshiba presentation what Aikido is -> he got the same uneducated opinion about as you -> for whole half minute as after the pressentation Ueshiba ordered Tohei to attack him... he ended instantly on the ground and did not have any idea how Ueshiba did it.
As my Uncle once said. " It's good at stopping a fight before it happens. But not so good at ending a fight." He is was a bouncer and later security guard. And also a golden glove boxer, who studied aikido. Also ruthless in monopoly.
If I’m not mistaken it was modified and made less harmful by its original creator after the second world war. I suppose after witnessing the horrors of war decided promised never to teach the more harmful version again.
When JFK jr was assassinated one of his body guards,the big strong football player Rosie Greer had completely subdued the smaller Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan but he couldn’t get the gun out of his hand as he did have a very strong grip Rosie Greer couldn’t defeat. Still with gun in hand Sirhan Sirhan fired 6 more bullets that hit 5 more people. Aikido teaches you how to easily disarm a person holding a weapon. A similar thing happened to me. I easily dominated the person but couldn’t easily remove the weapon. Today kkkops usually completely destroy a person as they try to disarm them - or just shoot them dead as soon as a weapon even appears. Aikido is not for a fight but the principles do work if you can create or find the situation to apply them.
Coming from law enforcement, we did learn a few aikido holds, but when it came down to it, it's all about combining those holds with force and aggression.
I started Aikido in 5th grade and I am now in my sophomore year of college. Aikido has helped me tremendously through the years more so mentally/spiritually. Often people who react to Aikido are only seeing the 5% of it. Truly learning Aikido involves incorporating the mental/spiritual side of it which we tend to use much more in daily life than flipping someone over our hip. People can knock it down all they want, but knowing the non-physical and physical things I’ve learned and how it’s greatly helped my quality of life over the years and for many of my friends, it really does have its place.
Thank you for this take. I've been practicing Aikido for 11 years now, and I agree wholeheartedly (although we do throw, at least my dojo incorporates a number of throws very similar to those in judo). All that flying around is what we do to prevent broken wrists and elbows, because a LOT of techniques rely on joint locks. The kicks and punches mostly depend on the school. We do use them sometimes, but mostly to distract the opponent, so I could never throw a punch on par with that of an MMA fighter or a karateka.
On that last note of what you said about WHO should learn Aikido: I used to take aikido and our kancho (grandmaster)’s sensei taught the Tokyo police force Aikido after ww2.
Trained in it for two years. Had someone throw a punch at me and threw them to the ground with a simple ikyo. I didn't do the joint lock I just side stepped and used the momentum motion I learned as muscle memory. It does work as a good supplement when using basic foundational techniques. It especially shines if someone is coming at you with a weapon like a pool cue since that is actually what it's designed for (swords and spears and disarming someone. The chops are meant to simulate this) the problem is its highly situational which is why you should practice a good striking and grappling art as well. The absolute best benefits you get from it is balance, positioning, and how to fall. Those are all useful skills in a fight. It also very much tunes you to know how to use momentum against opponents of all sizes. And yes, he's correct in that the first thing we learn as white belts is how to fall. If we don't let them throw us like that it will break a bone and hurt. I had a black belt dislocate my rib with a throw where I didn't fall properly.
Aikijūjutsu is more practical for fighting as it was used in Japanese warfare for centuries. But like all military combatants, you learn more than just that. Even in Japan, Aikijūjutsu is treated as merely a set of techniques. I trained in boxing, karate, muay thai, judo and atemi jujutsu. Jujutsu is more practical for actually self-defense and fighting as it is essentially a military martial art. I have added techniques from Aikijūjutsu and other Jūjutsu styles and modern ones that derived from Jūjutsu. It’s amazing how most (if not all) modern military martial arts derive from Jūjutsu. Which really goes to show how much of an influence that Japanese martial art has gained worldwide.
At a young age, I was an apprentice at shaolin. Had my "big brother" shi fu, and were given my nickname by the monks. "Restless little monkey" was mine (something like "malik malau" I remember) So what he's saying about the shows is correct. It's all about showmanship. And my father was a member in the Swedish national karate team. Competing internationally. He worked and trained in Japan for a while. And learned aikido as alternate training. He used aikido as a bouncer in sweden. As hitting a person is not allowed in most situations. But to grapple someone and throw them into submission is a grey area. Especially as an security personnel. And this was in the 70's. I learned some usefull aikido grapple techniques. And with my background in Gong fu, tae kwon do,, judo and jujitsu, karate and aikido. I was unbeatable through school. Not that I got into fights a lot. But those few times conflict found me. I never backed down. Cheers 🤘😎🤙
Perfect explanation, i did aikido for years and after i stopped training aikido i worked as a bouncer. It was phenomenal to use at work. You could move someone where you wanted, or knock someone over pretty easy which would allow the other bouncers to come and help get the guy out. The other upside is you could do it very safely so the person did not get hurt (saves on lawsuits)
Out of the many styles of Martial Arts I have practiced and incorporated into my own style, I would say Aikido was helpful for exactly as you have stated. For those truly not committed to a fight. It was perfect for security work or drunken people trying to cause trouble. It also is wonderful at teaching redirection of momentum.
"When you're facing somebody who's not committed to a fight but who's causing trouble" YES I love that explanation for when joint controls can be useful.
A good ol' elbow to the jaw also does the trick.
SAME 4me bro
So it's only useful when you're bigger and stronger than your opponent (bouncers), and your opponent doesn't even want to fight or is in no state to fight (drunk guys).
Aikido is a fakey-fake martial art -Jontron
Just do bjj at that point
@@cephon6198Man missed the whole point and then quoted a video lol
Bruce Lee said it best.
"Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own."
Bruce Lee's less famous quote:
"Pwease, don't tell my wife!"
@@adamkane7513 Huh...?
@@adamkane7513 My laugh will arrive in 2 business days
Bruce loves more cocainum.
"Be like water."
All things in their proper context.
Accurate. Bouncer for 3 years, and Aikido moves are useful for people who don't actually want to fight, which is almost everyone. It would be irresponsible to RNC everyone in the bar, or punch every trouble maker in the mouth. Also, Aikido is great at teaching you how to fall without hurting yourself, and how to coordinate your breathing with your motion which is essential in every combat sport.
people forget, the prime attribute of bouncers is that they are fookin huge. When you are huge that's half the work right there. A regular scrawny white collar man would not be able to make aikido work, merely due to physique
@@kingartifex it's the exact opposite the founder was of small stature and so are many practicioners.
I smell 🐂 💩. No bouncer worth a damn would even joke about using aikido. Well maybe joke. But seriously considering it. Nah. It's not even effective in training halfvthe time if your timing is off.
@@jn6608 the "holy founder" would have his lunch money stolen by the first middle school bully, prove me wrong
@@kingartifexYou need to read his biograpgy first. Learn what he was practicing before creating aikido.
As an aikidoka: Aikido isn't for fighting, it's for staying out of a fight.
Its called running
2024 everyone become a pro in everything
Have you tried sprinting
@@Boomer289-ol2vv Unless you have good cardio or have done track, sprinting as options is kinda dumb if you can't out run them or let alone tire out easily. I recommend to improve cardio, know to how respond aggressive person, parkcour, how to fight, carry both lethal and non lethal weapon, understanding common violence, or knowing to avoid conflict.
@@nefdjc9492 i meant jogging but yeah
Finally, someone giving a balanced and reasonable take on Aikido. Refreshing change from the MMA/BJJ bros who insist all traditional martials are useless.
Yeah, it's kinda obvious but it's easy to forget that all martials arts are a mix of martial training and well, art, you just have to choose what it's better for reachin your goals
YES! Such a refreshing take
In my experience it's only people on the Internet who talk this way, every mma gym I've gone to that works on groundwork and controlling opponents has agreed that some aspects of almost any martial art have practical uses.
I almost typed the first sentence word for word then seen this comment.
Mma bros love wrestling, sambo,muaythai, savate that kind martial arts tho
I love the lack of sensationalism of this channel, it's nice to see people more expert than me talk genuinely about what they think
It doesn't take much effort to find out what a scam Aikido is. I did one class out of curiosity. Only people over 40 attended. They were all very nice. At the time I did Muay Thai, so I knew what I was doing. The sensei showed me a basic move, I asked what if I do this and he basically showed how he would counter. I asked him how he would counter if I just punched. Straight up: we don't do that here for beginners. There isn't a fucking move against the most basic attack that a beginner could learn because someone could hurt themself.
"Lack of Sensationalism"
Lol check his videogames reviews
This channel is a shadow of its former self. The dark, nasty humor in the scripts is nonexistent now. Still a fan, but 3+ years ago was prime.
That's exactly why I signed up only after a couple of videos.
Become the expert God bless you
My dad was night-shift cab driver for 20 years and swore by aikido. Apparently it was incredibly effective against drunks, crackheads and your average sloppy troublemaker. More importantly it could be used without sending the other guy to the hospital. Because any move that lands you jail is probably not a good one.
It’s mostly self defence.
@@36handy it COMPLETELY made for self defense. Was created to disarm Ronin Samurai
@@ericanderer9199 Aikido was invented in the 20th century.
@@calicodavis1511 No it wasn't. When their were Ronin, masterless Samurai, a police force was created to combat this. ALL of the movements are designed to disarm a sword. The police used a weapon called a "jutte" . An ironbar with a sword catcher. Fyi. Look it up
@@ericanderer9199 "Look it up"
Ok, I did - "The term Aikido was coined in the 20th century. Ueshiba developed aikido primarily during the late 1920s" as per John Stevens "Aikido: The Way of Harmony"
I had a book by the founder, his opening line of the book, was something to the effect of "your enemy is mad that he has no friends, Aikido is to guide him into the path of friendship" so your comment about facing people who are not committed is spot on.
This is a VIOLATION
Sounds like aikido is a loser hangout club
why? because it isnt an ultra violent bome breaking brain damaging martial art that blood thirsty edge lords like you like to watch? get bent.@@rejuso
You mean a pacifism method?
@@rejuso really? Because they said they all knew you
Steven Seagal makes everything he is associated with look worse by default it's amazing
I like Steven
Go say it in his face, keyboard warrior lol
🤡🤡🙄 get real men as role models. This guy is a complete clown.
@@Kaddy2727 hes a fraud any one that gets the better of him which is more than not he sucker punches them if they work for him they are fired
steven runs like a little girl. i'd tell that to his face and then run.. he'd never catch me@@Kaddy2727
The main advantage of Aikido - and I am not being flippant or sarcastic - is that it's a great martial art for people who love martial arts, who want to practice martial arts recreationally, but who don't want to get hurt. It's good exercise for the man in the street, and it's something you can keep doing no matter how old you are. And the people who stick with Aikido tend not to be the volatile sort, so there is usually a friendly, non-competitive atmosphere. It's like practising any sort of sword fighting. Some people ask, "when are you going to get to use it?" Never, but that's not the point. The point is doing something you like to do.
Sword fighting never. Stick or pole in the hands … any day of the week.
I practice and teach sword (katana) as "part" of the martial art I do. Yes it's fun, but also teaches more about body movement and application. Less power, but body. It's about responding to an opponent's moves and exploiting small openings and weaknesses. Good skills to have in any martial grab bag, even unarmed. If you think dodging punches can be daunting, try a 3 foot razor blade
@@36handy why a pole use a German
yeah, a lot moves you learn in martial arts aren't that useful unless you have god reflexes or ripped asf, yet people practice it bc it's fun to learn them.
Some martial arts are better as a sport as they are as a self defense/fighting tool but that doesn't mean they are bad martial arts
@@veto_5762 i mean people who practice martial arts ARE ripped
Akido is a good complimentary martial art to someone that already has a solid unstanding of striking already. It makes up for the attacker that gets past the striking range.
I'd rather fall back on my ability to clinch and elbow in tight spaces.
Steven seagull approves
Very true. The first thing they teach you in Aikido class is how to fall properly to avoid injury. The flying around does look ridiculous, but it is necessary so people's wrists don't snap or shoulders dislocate. I believe that beginners should not use Aikido for self defense, but long time practitioners understand the practical applications of the movement, like most martial arts.
The fall techniques in Aikido has saved me from injury on more than one occasion.
@@professorrhyyt3689 Same here, I have never used Aikido for fighting but moving efficiently and taking falls without hurting myself has been very vital in my life
@@professorrhyyt3689judo practitioner her and I can relate to that
True.
I agree on everything, except only half on the "just like every martial art" part.
-> aikido is kind of an exception, where with a black belt you THINK you know how to fight, but you REALLY don't at all...!!
Aikido is very good for self defence, self defence is mostly about getting out of and staying out of fights.
First correct answer ive seen
I don't need aikido for that.
Women can do that without practice
Aikido is useful if you're strong and already know how to fight.
So basically, aikido is useful when you no longer need it.
@@obey4038 No better way to control a drunkard than sending him to sleep, which he needs to purge alcohol from his bloodstream.
@@haitaelpastor976 you're missing the point completely. Aikido techniques can be useful, but the way aikido is tough without any sparring or any sort of pressure testing will just not prepare you for self defense situation. So you need to train other martial arts and then you could make use of some aikido techniques.
Strong?... Aikido is useful against opponents that are stronger or bigger than you. It's about redirecting their energy and balance. Twisting and letting their momentum carry one direction, then using technique to suddenly, even violently switching direction that if they're "compliant" will send them into a tumble, or if they're being difficult, will just break the wrist, arm and/or shoulder. Good body mechanics in Aikido
@@committedabunch of nonsense pal
The most important skills in self defence is running and screaming. So don't skip cardio, basically.
You should tell Steven Seagal that. He can't do either.😂😂😂
@@danielkeizer4174he outsourced that skill to bodyguards, like other people with extra money.
@@dimasakbar7668 something like that. It's similar to people thinking spy's are combat experts while not knowing anything. Just going of what they see on tv or in movies. Know zero about the real world or the job. Probably thinks Seagal is a real special agent too. It's incredible how little people use their brains for more then basic function.
Or to stay armed.
@@stonelion99 only works in countries where people have guns, in other places not really
"Grab my hand... The other hand... My other hand." -Akido Master
Well, I'm 5'2 and done a few arts. Every actual fight I've been in, someone has grabbed me asserting their strength. With Aikido it has been their mistake. It has a place and it's not the best but bring other techniques over
@@bradfleming2683 lol you can't be serious.
Ah man of culture. Napoleon Dynamite, robbed of best movie Oscar.
Uhhhh that's Rex Kwan Do. Totally different thing.
Aikido is a super-specialized art that assumes that you already have an understanding of basic things like how to punch and kick. It's specialized in giving options that do not escalate to strikes.
No. It is super-specialized, because it is swordman skill in a first place.
@@michalviktorin6758
No, it isn't, and this a myth made up by the Aikido community to describe inconsistencies in the style. Aikido is specifically derived from Daito-ryu aiki-jiujitsu developed by Takeda Sokaku, it is a purely UNARMED style that Sokaku developed by going around and challenging other schools to unarmed combat. There was no fencing involved, or disarming people with swords, because it was illegal to actually own or carry a sword at the time, and this remained so for decades. This is what Ueshiba learned, and where Aikido comes from.
Aikido is an unarmed grappling style, it wasn't designed to deal with swords, and it wasn't designed to be used with them either. This is something that was added later, it is not the basis of the style, and Daito-ryu was significantly altered from traditional Jiu-Jitsu forms that were actually intended to deal with potentially sword wielding opponents (where ground grappling was actually pretty important).
It doesn't even make sense regarding combating an opponent with a sword and looks very little like traditional Japanese Jiu-Jitsu that was intended for battlefield combat and disarming an opponent when you lost your weapon...
It doesn't assume those things but you do actually need to have a solid basis in grappling before you start training it, otherwise you will build very bad habits and be unable to actually perform anything you learn on a live and resisting opponent.
It wasn't designed for this, I'm pretty sure Ueshiba intended it to be effective for self-defence, and given he learned Daito-ryu aiki-jiujitsu from Takeda Sokaku, who was an absolute badass, he could probably actually fight. It's just the style degenerated over time due to various reasons.
@@AveSicarius You do not know what you are talking about, you are lost in information, so you have bad observation, because you are dogmatic. Your swordmanship is very low level, I can tell that without even seeing you.
@@AveSicarius 'the style degenerated over time due to various reasons'
That got a slow blink from me. My brain literally went, on reading that:
"That's different from pretty much every other classic martial art that is still widely taught, HOW, exactly?"
Because let's face it, almost every martial art still being taught is taught more for show than for actual combat effectiveness. The very method of training for sport condition as opposed to combat weakens the style as those taught for sport age up and become the teacher.
Most the current 'still effective' ones are actually revitalizations of an older style by more modern groups that had to bring it back up to combat capability, or foreign divergences of an older style that didn't get societally neutered the same way. Like, Brazilian Jiujitsu, as an example.
As someone who practiced aikido for multiple years I can say it's effective for at least 2 things:
1- Making you rewire your brain so you can have good enough reflexes to act when someone is about to grab you or when you're about to fall, dealing with it becomes second nature so in certain situations your body will just know what to do to at least help you, like dodging while controlling the opponent's wrist.
2- Understanding a bit of what it takes to imobilize someone, we all know that a real fight is ugly af but if you can at least understand where to hold someone to put them down that can be of help.
I would add another very important but often overlooked thing. Aikido teaches you a very effective method of breaking falls. I am not an aikidoka, I do Judo and Koryu Bujutsu, but I used breakfalls more than anything else I've learned in Budo.
I’ve always seen their techniques as
Base level - locking up and like you said immobilizing a nuisance
Survival level - using aforementioned locks and bends to such an aggressive degree that you just end up snapping an attackers wrist or something
The reflexes are the real deal, though. I was an inconsistent attendee when I did Aikido in my youth, but the falls and rolls are deeply ingrained. I've fallen multiple times from my bike or from tripping/slipping but I've never really injured myself from it, and it's solely because of Aikido.
@@kimonowolf This is so on point. I don't do traditional aikido, more like mix of aikido and BJJ. BUT the falls man. I once slipped on stairs and fell. All i had was a leg scratch. Falling on ice or concrete is not painful at all
I think aikido will be most effective with armour. Where movements are limited.
Your last point is really good, my father in law was in law enforcement his whole life. He was a detective, on a tactical team, and then personal security for an ambassador. He learned aikido precisely for the reasons you said. He already knew how to fight, how to punch, kick, etc through basic Krav Maga which he learned as a tactical officer, but he wanted to learn a style for restraining someone rather than just fighting as it was useful for his job in personal protection. When I asked about it he openly said aikido is useless as a civilian defending themselves, but in law enforcement it works well for restraining someone with good joint control.
As a former practitioner of Judo, i can honestly say that the success of your move is a balance of how you execute it, and how experienced your opponent is. With that being said, fully using Aikido or any "one" martial art alone, will limit you. But, given your opponent is complacent, the appropriate move, i.e., an Aikido move, could be executed successfully.
I forgot who was it that explained Aikido this way, but they mentioned that they believed Aikido was only taught back then to people who already knew other forms of martial arts. It's a supplementary sort of art that does seem to have its uses, as evident by a guy called Rokas: otherwise known as Martial Arts Journey. He's doing a series where they're putting several big martial arts TH-camrs through a series of tests of self defense. In it, when Rokas engages in these tests, he apparently uses Aikido a bit despite now having primarily trained in BJJ and other arts.
Man, I havent watched Rokas in years, Ill bet he got badass
Instead of asking yourself "is this useless", you should ask yourself "is this useful"
Aikido is not as Usless, as many think. Just Imagine, why it was invented in this way. Samurai praticed it for the case, they lost the Sword in a Fight. You dont want to hardblock another Katana with your Body and suddenly those wide moves and wristcontroll makes more sense. You still have a disadvantage, no doubt, but better than nothing. It was never invented for a fistfight with other Martial Arts.
It works well when your drunken buddy wants his car keys back
He tricked the whole Hollywood 😂😂
How ????
He's a legit marital arts master ❤❤
Finally someone who acknowledges the people flying around are simply breakfalling which you need to do to avoid having your wrist snapped. It’s not that they are thrown, but that they are throwing themselves to absorb the technique.
First video I've ever seen of yours. Already, I'm impressed at your balanced look at a martial art that is very easy to dismiss
Self defense is not about winning a fight, it's about getting out of a fight.
Aikido is the air guitar of martial arts.
Sometimes. Not quite when Japanese cops use it as an adjunct to other arts and the baton or the futon.
@@dionysianapollomarx I remember watching a video showing a Japanese policeman running away from some criminal. Hmm, I wonder if this has anything to do with Aikido? Asking this question for a friend.
@@watcherworld5873 he was probably trying to give the attacker the twenty foot run up that's needed for aikido to work
@@watcherworld5873 How do you know the Japanese policemean was a student of aikido? They have the choice of studying aikido, judo, or kendo. If they're part of one of the more specialised units (eg. Tokyo Metropolitcan Riot Police) they have another 3 martial arts they can add on top for their training. Or would you rpefer that the policeman simply draw his revolver and shoot the criminal, ala the US? What's your actual point? Did you have one? Or was it just to post something that tried to shit on aikido but ended up just displaying your complete lack of knowledge about Japanese police?
@@iatsd Hmm, you got me thinking. Maybe that Japanese policeman was trained as a runner. So, he performed splendidly to de-escalated the situation by running away. BTW, I now remember that I watched that video on the Jimmy Kimmel show many years ago. It was hilarious.
Lets say you want to defend yourself, but you dont feel the need to hurt whoever is attacking you, just some simple submission until authorities arrive or until the attacker calms down and agrees to leave you alone.
Bingo. I did a lot of aikido in jr high. Good way to whip somebodys ass without getting thrown out of school.
Kungfu fail in the presence of a: knife, pepper spray, handgun.😂
Aikido, if you practice it properly with a master, helps you transform your mind. When one's mind is transformed, one's character is transformed and thus one's life is transformed. That's why you see a senior aikidoka ever participate in discussions about the practical use of demonstration of strength and aggressivity for effectively help yourself to solve your real life problems. Think about that, too. Seriously.
My takeaway with aikido is that it teaches you self defense techs that puts both you and the aggrevator from harm's way.
not seaboom-boom though
Thats pretty close to what its founder indeed invisioned.
How thats possible?
Aikido is great for family squabbles and things where you don't want to face a person at the next Thanksgiving with just one eye where you took out the other eye.
CONTEXT: AIKIDO WAS 'CREATED' AS A HAND DEFENSE AGAINST A SWORD ..
True, the samurai used it as a last resort when someone is slashing to them with swords, or if someone is running up to them
The problem with most martial arts is that most train to fight against their own art, and not the unfamiliar…
Best thing I learned in 3 years of aikido are the different rolling techniques, perfect for parkour.
I heard that plenty of police officers and prison guards like learning Bujinkan Ninjutsu. It's like a little bit more useful than Aikido
The same for Hapkido. It's just like Aikido, but with kicks and a more aggression.
I hear it's more standard for cops to use gunkata for all level of disputes
@@sanchoclause2183 As someone that Identifies as a black man, I'd say they should definitely do that more often. Clean up the trash
Uh, Ninjutsu is pretty much the biggest scam style out there so I'm not sure how true that is. It's basically rebranded "Jiu-Jitsu" which is basically rebranded Judo in the modern day world, if that, and it's largely spread because most people have no idea about Martial Art's.
I've also heard plenty of people say that police and prison guards commonly learn Aikido. This doesn't seem to be the truth and most people I know who've worked in these professions or who know about them through mutual acquaintances say BJJ and Judo are usually the most popular styles. Especially because most metropolitan police forces and prison staff learn elements of Judo and BJJ during subject restraint courses.
It also makes more sense than anything else, BJJ has big flaws when you are by yourself, but with backup to help you out, taking someone to the floor and maintaining control over them is the single best way to restain suspects or rowdy inmates.
@@sanchoclause2183 Some of them clearly prefer Shineniggutsu.
Yeah when you're already a big guy and can easily overpower your opponent, Aikido is useful! 🤣
The thing is Aikido is a supplementary martial art. Meaning that it should be learnt as an add-on to a “complete”martial art you are already trained in (For eg - Karate, Kungfu, JiuJitsu etc). Even the founder of Aikido was of the view that it should be learnt by those who are already adept in one complete martial art form or another
Surprisingly, aikido actually work for a bouncer.
Why surprised? 😮
It doesn't. Unless he wants to take him through a wall or to the ground. No bouncer uses aikido. Ever.
@@danielkeizer4174 there is few actually. You can try to find it from Martial Art Journey video
@@muhaiminakbar4472 well I'm only taking about everyone i personally knew back in my bouncing days who were actual bouncers and doormen. From Europe and England. We used to work for companies who train them you see. So they usually get specific training for their job. As do police and correction officers here. What they learn is very short and simple wrists and elbow locks.
Funnily enough not a single one of them used aikido. Maybe a couple of them had had some aikido lessons or did aikido. Hell i had lessons in aikido. But you don't learn anything useful till you reach a very high level. In the beginning it's mainly sweeping throws that though beautiful, do not work in real life when people resist.
It's not really something we can use. As aikido is far to complex and intricate. Perfect movement from both defender and attacker are hard if one of them isn't doing what you want you see. You need to make them do what you want. And some guy who knows basic kickboxing will not give you a full body committed attack. They strike and move back out. You have to go towards them.
If your talking about using some of the joint locks, sure but they aren't specific to aikido. And can be found in pretty much every m.a. Most here were champion kickboxers, free fighters, boxers, wrestlers, judo guys, MMA fighters i even know a lot of penac silat guys and they know a ton of their own locks. In practice we only use about a handful of come alongs or restraining moves i could teach anyone in five minutes or less. Wrestlers and judo guys have the better background, as these days striking is not allowed, and knowing how to displace weight and put pressure by using your body to move a person is their bread and butter. Chucking people a la Seagull here would end your career quickly. Heads and concrete don't really like eachother much. One is harder then the other so one of them usually breaks. Depending on if it's an aikido believer or not. It's usually the head.
Pushing people around like 'master tubbo" here doesn't work in real life when they are angry. It'll end up in lawsuits over broken bones. Controlled restraining and then moving them is the only way.
@@muhaiminakbar4472 and martial arts journey on yt was created by a guy who's aikido didn't work against MMA, which is why he started his martial arts journey to begin with. As most aikido practitioners learn quickly their art doesn't really have real world applicability. That's why he started looking into other stuff.
This also goes for Silat and systema artists. That have tried their hand at it. They usually modify their styles to better suit actual combat. There are books written about this subject by American masters. Silat for the street comes to mind, wich was the last book i bought to read up on that style. That guy also figured out 90% of his style doesn't work against a trained opponent. So he wrote a book about what(in his opinion) would work. Let's just say i wish i hadn't bought this book. That's how much interesting stuff is in it.
A great take. Aikido is honestly something police would benefit so much from learning.
I've also heard from many experienced martial artists that Aikido becomes better and better the more martial arts you know, especially more practical ones.
No. Police would benefit more from Judo , wrestling, and BJJ than Aikido.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Well when someone is resisting yes, absolutely.
What I mean is Aikido is great in cases where someone isn't going to fight back, compared to Judo throwing them to the ground or rolling around with them until they submit, those martial arts are probably better for them to learn overall.
I just meant that Aikido is good because it can show you how to reasonably safely handle someone who isn't fighting back, compared to untrained officers hurting people and making them freak out because they're just shoving and grabbing.
@@wizardswine If they’re not resisting then you don’t need any special technique to handcuff them. When they are resisting, Judo/wrestling/BJJ are superior.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I neve argued they weren't superior, ofc Aikido can't compare to some of the most practical martial arts.
And yes in some cases when people panic you do need a special technique, police accidentally injure people all the time by grappling them improperly.
@@wizardswine There’s nothing in the arsenal of aikido that can’t be done better with Judo or Wrestling. And you get the benefit of practicing on a live resisting opponent which is entirely missing from Aikido.
I've studied multiple martial arts. I also worked in bars, on and off, full and part-time, for 12 years. Aikido is a very useful martial art. In the 12 years I worked in bars I was in, literally, no hyperbole, no exaggeration, hundreds of bar fights in some of the roughest bars in my city. When you are trying to defend yourself and control your opponent, as opposed to just beating him up, Aikido is ideal. Furthermore, when dealing with armed and/or multiple opponents, I think it is the best martial art.
You... you read that story didn't you?
@@branlex1315 I lived this story. Unlike you, my martial arts experience is real, not solely from video games and what I've heard 3rd person on social media.
When I did Aikido for about a year, I was taught that Aikido will mostly only deal with people not ready to get hurt if that makes sense. If you get somebody that is ready to just football-tackle you into whatever is behind you and pummel the shit out of you, then you don't really have a chance only using Aikido since it's way too rigid. The Aiki-ken training was fun though, but that's sword training, which makes a bit of sense if you imagine it as a backup technique to disarm somebody swinging at you with a longer weapon if you've lost yours.
Shihan Giampietro Savegnago was claiming that he was able to deffend himself from 9 out of 10 attacks from behind... and no one saw that 1 out of 10.
I saw him trowing a guy that was trying to "tackle" him from behind and he was holding his hands inside hakama pants all the time.
On top he lost his leg in a bike accident and was one head smaller from avg. Aikdo student on this camp.
I also saw him doing 3vs1 against guys that taking 15 guys in a pub without breaking a sweet and you could see them sweting in that 3 vs1.
The only problem is that we are talking here about decades of training and massive talent on top of that.
And i also noticed how the guy was training, he was fully dedicated to do in 100% with the most basic, most simple excercise that he was doing or showing when 99% of Aikdo students thinking only about learning and usingthe most advanced stuff.
He also got zero problem in the middle of training go to some white belts and show him some complete basics stuff that a yelow belt could explein even better than him.
Once we were training outside with a Jo and he was showing attack in 4 directions.
I ignored everything and was only watching his feet, i was just curious how precise were his move -> he made 4 full attacks with Jo in 4 different directions and after the full circle his feet was in the same exact place to the point that i was not able to see position change and i was standing right next to him.
Warming up, streaching in everything he was excelling...
I also got the plesure to do few training with Steven Segal master, and to be honest this is the only two persons that i meet during many years of my Aikodo training that were giving you the Aikido vibe in everything what they were doing and saying...
And in the same time i can tell you that on the first training with Segal master there was the highest Aikido Dan in my country and the guy was the exact oposite -> he literally was strugling with stuff that most Aikido students do not have problem to do after just half year of training...
What Giampetro Savegnago was saying about Aikido someone can ask?
That you can learn it but you never can say that you got it.
And that guy could take anyone and show him that a)he is able to counter your technique and use your force against you and often he was doing it in the stage of technique where you were already sure that "you got him".
b) do his technique on you that you could not realy tell how much force he was using and the effect of this very small guy was often stronger than what you would experience with experienced aikido master that is much taller and bigger than you...
My brother in law saw how he trowed a 2+m tall guy -> twice his size.
Training was on Judo mat(type that you can see on international official judo competitions) and the guy did not managed to land properly(he was a black belt) and he damaged his ankle...(and No, it was not intentional, Savegnago was always nice, smiling and the most open person in the Dojo).
Steven "seagull" 😂😂
Aikido is just a son who doesn’t like violence while the father (Aikijujutsu) was a warlord back in his era of samurai
Aikido only works with the element of surprise. Kind of a “sucker grappling”
Makoto is crying with her "fists of justice" rn
My boy Ranton, being level headed like always
When it comes to training yes.. games on the other hand. Whole new world of meme degneracy that we love lmao
Jesse Kempe has a great video on Aikido. The Aikido master dispells so many myths and misunderstandings in a very articulate way.
"Then some things in Aikido is not useless" 😂 Well formulated, hats off 🙂
Honestly most aikido shows are done specifically to be flashy. But my school is a bit different because we do teach strikes and kicks as well as the “classic throws” and joint manipulation. Aikido is strongest as a martial art learned after you already know another. Originally you were not allowed to train in aikido unless you had a black belt in another martial art. Fun fact of the day.
My running opinion is that whoever invented aikido was such a powerful, athletic, inhuman chad that he was able to effectively use aikido as it's own style, and everyone else who learned just wasn't up to that level
finally somebody explained this martial art usage in the most respectful way we can ever hear good job !!
The fundamentals of Aikido, not the stuff you do with your hands but your posture, footwork, weight distribution, momentum and timing, always, always kept me on my feet when a bigger opponent was trying to take me down. Useful AF.
"Steven 🦤"
Aikido is about as useful as shaolin kung fu of today
I mean its not very useful because it only focuses on the wrist, but learning Akido doesn't hurt, its good for getting out of wrist control situations
Bro that is the smartest thing I've heard about aikido in a long while.
Oh yeah, an old friend of my father was a police officer and he did learn Aikido, not sure if it was through the police or not, but he did say it helped him...
Have no idea how it helped him though, as far as I know it could have helped him lose weight.
If Aikido helped with losing weight, Seagal would've lost that belly. Hehe
I know a guy that was in SWAT and would use Aikido on the regular. Perfect for restraining people that are trying to get away from you when you just kicked down their door. It's the perfect art for law enforcement. Allows you to get the job done and avoid lawsuits from accidentally killing or maiming your perp.
@@shatter98I guess it works if the other alternative is for your 5 partners to blow your opponent's brains out.
I've been in aikido class and the truth is, it's more grounded than most people think. It's usually a grab, throw, and sometimes it even has reminiscence of judo. There is no magical twist here and flip sort of technique as far as I know.
Have you been in a wrestling class? If you like being grounded they'll ground the shit out of ya.
Yes, the techniques do "work" and they work better when the other person holds you stronger. But it really only works if somebody is trying to grab you to prevent you from running away or if they are trying to grab you from behind to do a headlock.
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Which is just enough most of the time because the ultimate goal of aikido is deescalating the situation before things go south. If the person is armed and ready to kill someone then yeah, it would be useless. So is any martials arts though.
I’d offer that it also has a lot of physiological and mental benefits due to the unique training it offers. I did my thesis on this topic, and was surprised at how many good things come from the study that has nothing to do with combat at all, and everything depending on your perspective.
Thankful for the more positive take.
It'll take the wind outta someone's sails. It won't knock them out by itself.
If you are police officer or normal security guard, you can’t just shoot that person who’s just causing trouble but not threading others life or beat that person with face punch and kick or use ground game of bJJ techniques. If you do overly use excessive force, you’d be in trouble.
Aikido type of movements teach you how to control the opponent by not beating someone on the ring or fight.
That’s like you are comparing teaser with actual gun. Look similar and used similar but their purpose is completely different.
Very thoughtful and very accurate
Its not just a dance
Can confirm. As a bouncer for years, chi na/aikido techniques were very useful. And you can’t strike anyone unless you want to go to jail or get sued.
When I was studying different martial arts, I learned that Aikido is meant to be more of a spiritual art than physical.
Aikido is the way of harmony and peace, it's about defusing a situation without actually hurting people or doing less damage as possible, that is when Aikido flows. O' Sensei saw a lot of bloodshed (he was a Sarge) and became very religious/spiritual so he founded Aikido trying to adapt it to the peaceful era. However at first he taught Aikido only for those who already knew another art, so traditionally Aikido Dojos "skip" the punch and kicking part.
I would also like to add that there's great Dojos out there that can teach you the roots of the techniques si basically you will be learning Aikido and Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu. Also, there's place and a moment for every martial art, but some people just can't see beyond the UFC.
Because it’s easier to double leg and RNC an attacker or belligerent than it is to do this fancy shit. People don’t see past the UFC because there is nothing past it for now.
@@sethwilliams8916 There is nothing past it regarding combat sports. As for self defense, well you don't necessarily need your typical MMA combination, a lot of other martial arts work, as long as you been taught the right way and you have a good mindset. But the truth is, you can get hurt regardless what you practice.
@@neotenylv09 Undeniably based comment, yes.
Incidentally what does the letters UFC stand for?
@@neotenylv09Amen.I once saw a comment in a martial arts magazine,where the writer said martial arts doesn’t make you invincible, but it does give you something to use.I thought that was sensible and accurate.
Judo or jujutsu would just be more effective but there are some ideas that are useful but on its own it’s not amazing
Fucking jujutsu
What are you gonna do cast a spell on them?
Judo and Jujutsu are indeed more effective but also more damaging on the attacker. If you want to absolutely limit the damage done, you use Aikido.
@@kiloklavdi1185 wrestling would be superior for that but there is a higher chance of damage
Aikido is actually for when a Samurai loses his sword.
The main problem with Aikido is not the techniques, it's that they don't practice it against any kind of resistance making most users unable to use the techniques in an actual fight.
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I personally like Hapkido. It equips you with striking, throwing, and other moves, but also gives you much of the same tools for seizure, restraint and control as aikido. It’s can be a useful tactic if approached with a number of other techniques.
I thought Hapkido was a progression or advancement of Akido.
@@biggieyorke8415 hapkido founder learned from the same teacher as ueshiba, but these are different arts.
Hi, law enforcement here: we don't use aikido.
I saw Steven Seagal working alongside American police officers, and he showed them some Akido moves.They had to tap out double quick.Apparently he felt they were too trusting, and too vulnerable in situations where a criminal may attack them and take their weapon.
@@biggieyorke8415 Another proof that America is doomed.
Steven couldn’t survive 5 seconds in the UFC
A french aikido master Leo Tamaki is talking about the root of real traditional aikido, as a very lethal and super destructive martial art, that people used against superior opponents (like samouraï riding a horse and charging you with a spear) all the way down to japanese special forces and spies to kill potential opponents quickly and with excessive force.
Nowadays, as you can't teach your students to sacrifice an arm or destroy a throat at each training, we're just getting a totally emptied aikido form, barely a delicate concept of what it was supposed to be. (Like playing with fireworks instead of bombing and napalming the battlefield)
If that's true and the real roots of aikido, yeah,.we definitely arent understanding it or practicing it at all like it's supposed to. 😂😂
What you said was what I was originally going to comment.That the founder of Aikido originally taught a more deadly form of Aikido but after the second world war he promised to never teach that form again.,but a modified less harmful form.My thought was that he must have already taught soldiers the more deadly form and some of them may have opened schools and be teaching the more deadly form that I believe Steven Seagal may have referred to.
Thank you for that comment and that information.
Aikido is useless. If you want to learn a grappling martial art to defend yourself, do Judo or BJJ. If you want to exercise go to a gym. If you want to "immerse" yourself in Japanese culture, learn the language and go to Japan. Giving people confidence but not realistic skills for a fight can be deadly.
If you wanna grab realistically you learn krav maga not bjj or judo those only work if the other person is moderately trained .-. You are just as dangerous as the ones you criticize
@@khareckless6769 There's a difference between a grab and grappling. Krav Maga is basically self-defense MMA. Read my first sentence again. I didn't say the best self-defense martial is Judo or BJJ. I said GRAPPLING martial art to defend. Meaning no punches or kicks. You can realistically achieve that with those 2. Not with Krav Maga.
@@TheHipClip And is there a difference betwen Judo inventor claiming that Aikido is a perfect Budo and a guy writing in internet comment section that "Aikido is usseless"?
Best Ueshiba student was send to him by Judo inventor -> he got 6th Dan in Judo when he saw Ueshiba presentation what Aikido is -> he got the same uneducated opinion about as you -> for whole half minute as after the pressentation Ueshiba ordered Tohei to attack him... he ended instantly on the ground and did not have any idea how Ueshiba did it.
Aikido has one strength: it's a decent low-risk, low-reward way to learn breakfalls.
Aikido works if you are about 240lbs and over since you almost always will outweigh anybody by a lot.
As my Uncle once said. " It's good at stopping a fight before it happens. But not so good at ending a fight." He is was a bouncer and later security guard. And also a golden glove boxer, who studied aikido. Also ruthless in monopoly.
The greatest skill is having the ability to subdue an opponent without fighting basically.
Aikido was invented by the human version of Yoda and was more a spiritual philosophy/activity than a complete self defence system.
If I’m not mistaken it was modified and made less harmful by its original creator after the second world war. I suppose after witnessing the horrors of war decided promised never to teach the more harmful version again.
When JFK jr was assassinated one of his body guards,the big strong football player Rosie Greer had completely subdued the smaller Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan but he couldn’t get the gun out of his hand as he did have a very strong grip Rosie Greer couldn’t defeat.
Still with gun in hand Sirhan Sirhan fired 6 more bullets that hit 5 more people.
Aikido teaches you how to easily disarm a person holding a weapon.
A similar thing happened to me. I easily dominated the person but couldn’t easily remove the weapon.
Today kkkops usually completely destroy a person as they try to disarm them - or just shoot them dead as soon as a weapon even appears.
Aikido is not for a fight but the principles do work if you can create or find the situation to apply them.
The money is in the punch because, believe me, no one wants to see a battle where both participants are just glaring at one another.
Coming from law enforcement, we did learn a few aikido holds, but when it came down to it, it's all about combining those holds with force and aggression.
Seagal is a known goofball.
Aikido is good for: footwork and distance management, what you said in the video, and can also improve your BJJ wristlocks.
Respect to this guy for not just bagging on aikido
Agreed. Aikido is meant to de-escalate a situation. But it is useless in terms of kicking someone's ass.
I started Aikido in 5th grade and I am now in my sophomore year of college. Aikido has helped me tremendously through the years more so mentally/spiritually. Often people who react to Aikido are only seeing the 5% of it. Truly learning Aikido involves incorporating the mental/spiritual side of it which we tend to use much more in daily life than flipping someone over our hip. People can knock it down all they want, but knowing the non-physical and physical things I’ve learned and how it’s greatly helped my quality of life over the years and for many of my friends, it really does have its place.
Good to hear you benefited from aikido.
"70 percent of aikido is atemi"-osensei
Thank you for this take. I've been practicing Aikido for 11 years now, and I agree wholeheartedly (although we do throw, at least my dojo incorporates a number of throws very similar to those in judo). All that flying around is what we do to prevent broken wrists and elbows, because a LOT of techniques rely on joint locks. The kicks and punches mostly depend on the school. We do use them sometimes, but mostly to distract the opponent, so I could never throw a punch on par with that of an MMA fighter or a karateka.
On that last note of what you said about WHO should learn Aikido: I used to take aikido and our kancho (grandmaster)’s sensei taught the Tokyo police force Aikido after ww2.
Trained in it for two years. Had someone throw a punch at me and threw them to the ground with a simple ikyo. I didn't do the joint lock I just side stepped and used the momentum motion I learned as muscle memory. It does work as a good supplement when using basic foundational techniques. It especially shines if someone is coming at you with a weapon like a pool cue since that is actually what it's designed for (swords and spears and disarming someone. The chops are meant to simulate this) the problem is its highly situational which is why you should practice a good striking and grappling art as well. The absolute best benefits you get from it is balance, positioning, and how to fall. Those are all useful skills in a fight. It also very much tunes you to know how to use momentum against opponents of all sizes.
And yes, he's correct in that the first thing we learn as white belts is how to fall. If we don't let them throw us like that it will break a bone and hurt. I had a black belt dislocate my rib with a throw where I didn't fall properly.
Aikijūjutsu is more practical for fighting as it was used in Japanese warfare for centuries. But like all military combatants, you learn more than just that. Even in Japan, Aikijūjutsu is treated as merely a set of techniques. I trained in boxing, karate, muay thai, judo and atemi jujutsu. Jujutsu is more practical for actually self-defense and fighting as it is essentially a military martial art. I have added techniques from Aikijūjutsu and other Jūjutsu styles and modern ones that derived from Jūjutsu. It’s amazing how most (if not all) modern military martial arts derive from Jūjutsu. Which really goes to show how much of an influence that Japanese martial art has gained worldwide.
Thank you. Finally someone who knows what hes talking about.
Look at the size of any of Seagull ´s oponents ... everytime its like he ´ s fighting children !
Touché good point it can’t be denied.
At a young age, I was an apprentice at shaolin. Had my "big brother" shi fu, and were given my nickname by the monks. "Restless little monkey" was mine (something like "malik malau" I remember)
So what he's saying about the shows is correct. It's all about showmanship.
And my father was a member in the Swedish national karate team. Competing internationally. He worked and trained in Japan for a while. And learned aikido as alternate training. He used aikido as a bouncer in sweden. As hitting a person is not allowed in most situations. But to grapple someone and throw them into submission is a grey area. Especially as an security personnel. And this was in the 70's. I learned some usefull aikido grapple techniques. And with my background in Gong fu, tae kwon do,, judo and jujitsu, karate and aikido. I was unbeatable through school. Not that I got into fights a lot. But those few times conflict found me. I never backed down. Cheers 🤘😎🤙
Steven is so badass he can make an opponent do summersaults by just looking at him.
Perfect explanation, i did aikido for years and after i stopped training aikido i worked as a bouncer. It was phenomenal to use at work.
You could move someone where you wanted, or knock someone over pretty easy which would allow the other bouncers to come and help get the guy out.
The other upside is you could do it very safely so the person did not get hurt (saves on lawsuits)
Out of the many styles of Martial Arts I have practiced and incorporated into my own style, I would say Aikido was helpful for exactly as you have stated. For those truly not committed to a fight. It was perfect for security work or drunken people trying to cause trouble. It also is wonderful at teaching redirection of momentum.