La Marzocco Linea Mini vs Rocket Espresso R58 | CR Comparison
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- You asked us for it, so here it is! Our comparison of the Rocket Espresso R58 and the La Marzocco Linea Mini. Which espresso machine will best suit your needs? Watch this comparison and decide!
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I have owned both the R58 and the Linea Mini and used them extensively (home use).
1. The remote PID control on the R58 is finicky and not user friendly, working well at times and at other times non functional. Replacing remote unit only partially helpful.
2. The R58 is quieter although neither machine is a problem for noise.
3. The extra liter of usable water in the Linea Mini is an advantage.
4. The set-up directions for the Linea Mini are much clearer.
5. With extraction, I cannot end up with a nice, dry puck with either machine, although the Linea Mini comes closer.
6. Most importantly, I can consistently get a better shot of expresso with the Linea Mini.
7. Neither machine produces as consistently a good shot as does the LaMarzocco GS3.
Hi, if I have to choose one, which one would you recommend? I'm a Barista, and love to have one of those at home.
are you in Pittsburgh?
omg two gooood machine in one house amazing
Espresso
I'm new to the coffee game. I just got a Breville Barista. Funny you mentioned dry pucks. My Breville knock box is on order so I use a wooden stick to get the grounds out. I wonder how much better is the Mini? I will consider a high end unit down the road.
Thanks Gail & SCG for the review. I find the comparison useful in terms of comparing features of each machine. I would have liked to hear your opinion about usability of each machine in the home setting, particularly regarding shot quality comparisons. Most folks reading this review want to know, bottom line, is my day-to-day coffee going to be better or easier to make with either machine? Thanks again, I really enjoy your videos.
Hi , regarding 2 holes steamer .. the shop said i can exchange the rocket steamer with 4 holes if you like , not a matter ,, so will that be identical to la Marzoqo 4 holes this way ?!
I’ve had a Rocket Evo R (similar to R58) and a Rocket Fausto Grinder. Both are polished stainless which is nice. Exactly 4 years and 3000 cappuccinos later it’s still going strong. Decided to stick with illy coffee (Brazil) and It’s very consistent. I’ve tried many other coffees but got tired of having to set up the grinder and brew each time. Happy now that I don’t have to fiddle with it and it just works every time.
Is any of this stuff stainless by chance? (L0L)
Hi!
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I've been lucky enough to own an R58 for about a year. It's a joy to use and I absolutely love it. Here in the UK the Linea Mini is an additional £1300 which would - in my book - require the La Marzocco to make my breakfast too and clear up every day to make it worth the extra. That's not to say that the R58 is flawless: the chrome plating on the inner surfaces of the portafilter hasn't held up too well, and until you have had the opportunity to plumb the waste in, the drip tray has a very limited capacity. But that's it.
Do you still own one? What do you think of it now?
@@Shortofheight Yes, four years on from that video I still have my R58 and still love it. I have never been tempted to upgrade it (actually I would not have the first idea what to upgrade it to) but what I have done to significantly improve the consistency/quality of my coffee is upgrade my grinder. I have done that twice since buying the R58 (so am now on my third) and each time it has made a big difference. Just goes to show that it is what you put in that matters most, not just what you put it into...
@@kawonnowak Thank you so much for responding back. I wasn't sure if you'd see this when I asked lol.
You just convinced me to get the R58!! I'm sold! yayyy!!
@@Shortofheight Nice! Enjoy! Get the best grinder you can and give yourself a bit of time to get used to everything. And watch your back when you take the machine out of its box lol
@@kawonnowak what grinder did you settle on now? Thanks.
We just purchased the Rocket and love it in November. We absolutely love the machine. Works great every day and makes a wonderful cup of Joe. It a beautiful to look too. Thanks SCG
Right on! Great to hear! Cheers :D
Good to hear that you love it in November. We love ours year round.
How about la marzocco linea mini vs lelit bianca v3 🙏🙏🙏
More recently the Linea is wifi-equipped (I believe one can buy a kit to upgrade an older model). With wifi, there's an app that enables one to digitally set the boiler temp, read the temp, muck with the pre-brew settings, and get some stats re machine usage (even whilst you are several time-zones away ;)).
Hi Gale, in this video you mention the Linea has a set programmed 1 second pre-infusion even if it not plumed in, you don’t seem overly impressed by this, am I right in saying your not ? How ever with the rocket when plumbed in you can control the pre infusion with the level which sounds alright, is this much better ? Thanks, I love all your videos your a real aficionado!!!
You didn't even brew any shots ?
I think I have watched every video you have to offer over holiday break. Thanks for the excellent content. Just sayin'.
hahah love it! Thanks for watching!
Great reviews! Just purchased the R58:)
How you like it? What did you have b4?
How many drinks can I make daily R58 ? You till as about la marzocco about 125 to 150 drinks
how does the linea compare to the gs3
Orchestrale nota, is best of all these, ist it?
Wish u give the prices in the video
Good job but wanted to see the back just to see what the customer sees
what's your pick Gail ?
thanks
Which one do you recommend is more suitable for home use? thx
Breville
Since Rocket R58 doesn't feature pressure profiling, can you play with the lever while brewing to manipulate the pressure?
Nope. The solenoid activate the pump. You can actually screw or unscrew to play with the pressure, but it will stay the same!
I'd give my life for a Marzocco!
Can a flow control valve and gauge be attached to the Rocket R58?
All E61 machines can have the top nut (the ‘mushroom’) exchanged with a flow control valve. They are 99% interchangeable between manufacturers, but it is nice to get a matching OEM pressure gauge. The downside is that most E61 heads have a very basic spring loaded mechanical pre-infusion, so you lose this and have manual only pre-infusion with the control valve.
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For the R58 is no Pre Infusion possible, because there is a Solenoid/Relais closed for main water connecntion.
Lifting the level half way will start a pre infusion. You can control how long it should last. Ideally, the machine would be plumbed in for a consistent pre infusion pressure, but it will put out water if on the tank.
thanks gail
Of course!
Lol 😆 love this host
Personally , if I had my choice I would go with the linea mini all day long !!! I love la marzocco !!!
Ecm synchronika vs la Marzocco please
Yes, I want to see this comparison also. Has anyone done it?
The steam knobs look very non- ergonomic. They look like they need to use levers for one easy breezy movement instead of having to crank a knob a bunch of times for each latte that you want to make. Let's say you make 20-40 lattes a day for a office to morale boost during cold winters, how many times you'll do the cranking before you get sick of it?
I’d like to know if a basically hi-end home machine can ever match the texture, mouthfeel, and consistency of a commercial machine. And if not, by how much. I’m considering the Mini as a commercial machine here. (As a baseline, the Breville DB can make terrific espresso, but...what does that extra $5-10K buy you?) And, I mean in a blind test, can you easily tell?
Yes. The mini makes same texture, same everything as commercial machines. I own coffee bars and have commercial ranchilios and marzoccos. I have a mini at my home. No difference. Worth the extra money. Best home machine. Consistent.
Thanks. This is know about the Mini. I would like, in fact, to establish this “commercial something” (mouthfeel, texture, etc.) as a basis to compare other “pro-Sumer” or other relatively hi-end machines. Especially so-called profiling machines. E.g. Decent Espresso claims to be able to match the variables that a classic LaMarzocco machine delivers. I would like to get honest feedback whether the shot measures up in the mouth. What does the extra 10-20,000 USD buy me in the cup? I realize a commercial machine is designed for precise control of temperature, pressure, flow to be able to pull consistent shots all day. BUT for home use, the most notable separating factor seems to bethe saturated group head and temperature stability-which don’t necessarily require the highest quality rotary pump. Any feedback would be most appreciated.
Depending on your grinder any 1000 € + HX machine will give you the same quality shots as a LMLM, GS 3 and so on on medium to dark roasts.
What you get from going from R58 to LMLM/LMGS3, VA, … is the intershot stability, i.e. your temperature does stay consistent even when pulling 10+ back-to-back shots.
In terms of intrashot temperature stability, both machines are very accurate and differ only insignificantly.
If you wanna use very light/enzymatic roasts or even filter roasts, neither of these machines will be a good choice as you need flow/pressure-profiling for these.
How do you compare them to Oscar II?
I’ve had the R58 for e few years now, plumbed in at home. It really is an excellent machine and paired with a top grinder it’s as good as the home barista could want. If you want to spend a few more $ on the Linia Mini, I just doubt the increased spend would result in a noticeable difference in your morning coffee. Anyway what ever you chose you would be happy.
Hi, what grinder would you recommend please?
Based on Scott Rao for the grinder.. I think he recommends the Baratza Forte and forget the EK43. The burr alignment is a pain for a $4300 grinder.
Love u Gail
How many drinks can you reasonably pump out on the rocket per day?
More than what you will ever need.
@@askay2k hey sam, I’m interested in purchasing r58, you think it’s a better buy for a coffee cart ? Making 150 drinks 3 times a week
@@UzihelAlfaro not designed to do this, but 3 minutes per cup (with steaming milk) should be fine. Only just. Any shorter duration you will notice the brew temp start to drop because not enough time to recover.
Gail, you should not have compared these two machines since there is a great disparity on the brew head type and more importantly the cost where the La Marzocco runs south of $6K and the Rocket just about $3300.00.
just dont like the slide mechanism on the linea mini.. everything else is super nice tho
The Giggeleur/ restrictor that sits between solenoid valve and "coffeboiler" is the Achilles heel in the Marzocco....get rid of it...
I have owned both machines and keeper the la marzocco linea mini cause hands down r58 can come near the quality and performance or the linea especially when it come you steam power
I have had issues with my Rocket Cellini and will not buy any more Rocket espresso machines. Looking for a more reliable brand.
There is a huge difference in price , so not comparable
I love my R58!!
what is a chrip chray?
Drip tray :)
Gail, and Rocket has not yet agreed to have Flow Control added to this their highest E-61 machine. Go figure.
$2750 vs. $4500 !
I would buy an extra car instead of La Marzocco 😂
Luxury home kitchens tho😅
Is it the Breville new Machine the cheapest dual boiler?
I wish Rancilio could produce a dual boiler one with pid 😞
I have the Breville Barista got on Black Friday! $300! You think close to rocket. I'm getting decent shots. I love coffee so much when it breaks I might invest in a Rocket.
For the extra money the La Marz needs to come with an integrated, automatic Fleshlight.
Not sure if a typo or some strange fetish.
@@LK-hd5ct lol
Stil get it why Rocket made this unconventional decision with the extern pid control panel. As much as I love E61 machines, in this comparison the Linea Mini is clearly the more sophisticated machine, with a modern boiler approach and true saturated internal group.
Hey, i miss Gail! ❤
Buying a La Marzocco is like buying a Lexus with roll down windows and cloth seats.
Yes, tend to agree. Extremely basic machine for which LM charges a premium.
That water reservoir, non insulated steam wand, etc.... is a deal breaker. How inconvenient
May have a good at the Victoria Arduino Eagle One Prima. Similar price range
one looks 5 times better though
LaMarzocco is 5,900 and Rocket r58 is 3,300 big difference.
lol she funny i like her
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hmm idk buy a Bugatti a house and a new wife or a La Marzocco decisions decisions..
I’d go with the La Marzocco
Rocket all day!! La marzocco machine is ugly.